feinting needle barrage is incredibly nice, u can dodge a m1 or mantra just by jumping and feinting it, oh the irony+the taunt on guardbreak talent also makes ironsing incredibly strong rn
Everytime i enter a chime match or spar in the overworld, people are always confused by me spamming discovery of fire. It seems most people mistake it for contractors judgment. They usually use their parry and then waste a roll after being set on fire. If you can block break / combo opponents for missing a parry the fire will stack up damage pretty quickly. You can also use it any time during a combo for free damage. Not to mention its non exisent cooldown.
Tip: you can put a magnet spark on lightning blade to have the last hit teleport towards your opponent, and you can cast mantras/m1/block during stomcaller slash. If you have rain of static, you can mantra cancel the upgrade, allowing you to use base lightning impact with a mixup. Electro carve isn't the best, but it's good for cancelling hyperarmor opponents (base thunder) and dealing big base damage (even more with surge) Discovery of fire can be used best while you're safe or have s, applying a delayed shock or surge, and flames for free pressure.
Non: Spam early cancel rapid punches Frostdraw: Ice Smash + Anything that isnt supposed to land (e.g. sightless beam) Thundercall: Thunder kick + rising thunder (you are not different) Galebreathe: slide cast every mantra and abuse your free silentheart passive Shadowcast: Spin while using shadow roar and drain your opponents entire ether bar by using a singular shadow gun Flamecharm: Simply exist. Or better, use a ysley's.
tl:dr fist is better then medium for thunder I’m surprised you didn’t talk about static flash clones, it’s still good even after the windup nerf. When you’re coming out of the invisibility, it takes you out slightly late allowing you to hide anims. I like using fist because hiding part of fist swing animation is really good at throwing people off. You can also use it during emotion wave or during a combo to dodge vents (although dodging vents kinda sucks now). Another reason why I like to use fist on thunder is because of static fakeout. Fist’s only downside is the range, but when I can teleport it doesn’t matter
cladrum of the west speaking here, I hereby approve the shadowcast section of the video! quick note regarding chain pull that gets overlooked often (because it's unknown) but you get s(?) as it lands so you can automatically dodge vents with it if they vent within like the half second or so after it hits them! ik it sounds quite niche but the vent dodge counts as completely avoiding its hitbox so they're in full vent whiff endlag if you pull it off :)
For ironsing I think metal kick would be better than chain pull just for the fact its a suedo guardbreak that with a spring spark can easily extend a combo while also being harder to hit
I do insignia chain pull into spring metal kick. Or if chain pull is on cd and you land spring spark metal kick (with insignia), you can use ice eruption. Frost iron is really good synergy
Hey I’m a top EU player and in my opinion 2 of the best weapons to use with ironising would be the pale briar because of its synergy with jailor path (the best one) and the iron blunderbuss since it’s just a really strong weapon but the block pressure you get from those instant feints makes it synergise pretty well, and because crits are so free to land with blunder ironising and briar ironising contractor would be recommended as well to spam lord slice.
true but this is very managable with talents, using when opponents parry on cd (which is what you should try to do anyway), or just spit/use crit after
probably eventually but tbh idk how much interest there will be in a defense video since that’s not a super interesting part of deep for the average player
Is yellow thunder better than blue thunder in a heavy matchup? cause I think yellow thunder hitstuns and cuts hypermor while blue thunder just hitstuns normally
the best weapons for ironsing imo are first light with stone for the posture dmg great for higher dmg with the good rocket lance feint jus karita with anything heavy weapons in general if they have high posture dmg if you want a easier and better scrapsinger proc for heavy go nemesis great with needle barrage feint or rocket lance feint
just pick whichever attunement you like, all of them are viable right now. if i had to pick tho id suggest thunder or ice for new players since they dont really rely on unique mechanics that might be confusing to new players compared to the other attunements
one of my favourite things i do with encircle and katana is i use posers ring to confirm encircle witch i can use to combo into pr much anything i want i get a lot of smack from ppl in chime tho
Thats a neat combo. Whats the timing like tho? Do you Sheath your weapon then use encircle, or Sheath when encircle is about to finish its wind up? I also seem to remember they nerfed the windup and some other things on encircle, so is this still viable?
the tips you gave for thunder aren't that good first off you forgot to mention warden , and normal thunder is much better for ganks and for high elo normal thunder is better due to the stun which can lead to more overall damage , but if you're lower elo and planning on doing chime surge is also pretty good but normal thunder is much better due to the stun. Ironsing I can believe you didnt say ironhug, legit dumbest mantra dose insane damage , hard to parry goes through block and applies a lot of rods you legit put a clip of hug hitting someone while they're so far away and for the best wep no way you didnt say iron blunderbuss legit dumbest wep with ironsing
warden okay, disagree with the path take but like I mentioned in the vid that could be debatable so that’s your choice Ironhug isn’t good against good players since it’s too slow and doesn’t do enough posture dmg or anything. you will never ever see me get hit by it. without storm cheesing I don’t think the reward is good enough for landing it. iron blunderbuss prob pretty good
@@SpidersDW you legit put a clip of one of the best eu players getting hit with it a lot and multi ironsing rifle users are abusing hug for stormcheese and combos
you forgot about hemocast which has been in the game since release and the obtainment method is going outside and quitting this shit game thats why no one got it yet
Instructions unclear, burnt shadow eruption and went 80 heavy on a crypt build
Lol
I stayed up till 12:40 am for this upload, love you my glorious king
Bro sneaked on past his bedtime for a deepwoken vid 💀💀
feinting needle barrage is incredibly nice, u can dodge a m1 or mantra just by jumping and feinting it, oh the irony+the taunt on guardbreak talent also makes ironsing incredibly strong rn
Everytime i enter a chime match or spar in the overworld, people are always confused by me spamming discovery of fire.
It seems most people mistake it for contractors judgment.
They usually use their parry and then waste a roll after being set on fire.
If you can block break / combo opponents for missing a parry the fire will stack up damage pretty quickly. You can also use it any time during a combo for free damage.
Not to mention its non exisent cooldown.
Tip: you can put a magnet spark on lightning blade to have the last hit teleport towards your opponent, and you can cast mantras/m1/block during stomcaller slash.
If you have rain of static, you can mantra cancel the upgrade, allowing you to use base lightning impact with a mixup.
Electro carve isn't the best, but it's good for cancelling hyperarmor opponents (base thunder) and dealing big base damage (even more with surge)
Discovery of fire can be used best while you're safe or have s, applying a delayed shock or surge, and flames for free pressure.
repping for rain of static
Discovery of fire abuse gang 🗣🔥
Also emotion wave can’t be cancelled by vents
how do you mantra cancel the upgrade to mixup with rain of static
@@mars3403 just right click/ m1 + right click after you're in the air and rain of static ends early.
thx for the tips! ive been struggling to use thundercall for a while now and this video definitely helps
hey guys spiders here.
Hi, im spiders
a top 250 gale main
Holy shit they're everywhere
Hate from deepwoken
Hey spiders guys here
I knew i wasnt tripping when i see every ironsing player exclusively with a cheese playstyle
Non: Spam early cancel rapid punches
Frostdraw: Ice Smash + Anything that isnt supposed to land (e.g. sightless beam)
Thundercall: Thunder kick + rising thunder (you are not different)
Galebreathe: slide cast every mantra and abuse your free silentheart passive
Shadowcast: Spin while using shadow roar and drain your opponents entire ether bar by using a singular shadow gun
Flamecharm: Simply exist. Or better, use a ysley's.
Flamecharm: spam 2-3 mantras in one second
Frostdraw: ice daggers into everything
frost: ice daggers
ice daggers
ice daggers
maybe feint ice lance idk
ice daggers
Flamecharm: abuse slide tech with warding radiance and become the NEED FOR SPEED car
tl:dr fist is better then medium for thunder
I’m surprised you didn’t talk about static flash clones, it’s still good even after the windup nerf. When you’re coming out of the invisibility, it takes you out slightly late allowing you to hide anims. I like using fist because hiding part of fist swing animation is really good at throwing people off. You can also use it during emotion wave or during a combo to dodge vents (although dodging vents kinda sucks now).
Another reason why I like to use fist on thunder is because of static fakeout. Fist’s only downside is the range, but when I can teleport it doesn’t matter
Thank you SpidersDW now I will be the avatar of Deepwoken!!
cladrum of the west speaking here, I hereby approve the shadowcast section of the video! quick note regarding chain pull that gets overlooked often (because it's unknown) but you get s(?) as it lands so you can automatically dodge vents with it if they vent within like the half second or so after it hits them! ik it sounds quite niche but the vent dodge counts as completely avoiding its hitbox so they're in full vent whiff endlag if you pull it off :)
Spam moves that are positive on neutral and when you get a hit use the copy and paste combo
Music is fire kinda makes me want to add the blood oath
I will only use attunementless medium.
For ironsing I think metal kick would be better than chain pull just for the fact its a suedo guardbreak that with a spring spark can easily extend a combo while also being harder to hit
I do insignia chain pull into spring metal kick. Or if chain pull is on cd and you land spring spark metal kick (with insignia), you can use ice eruption. Frost iron is really good synergy
Hey I’m a top EU player and in my opinion 2 of the best weapons to use with ironising would be the pale briar because of its synergy with jailor path (the best one) and the iron blunderbuss since it’s just a really strong weapon but the block pressure you get from those instant feints makes it synergise pretty well, and because crits are so free to land with blunder ironising and briar ironising contractor would be recommended as well to spam lord slice.
i agree with those weapons, good choices
the motivational boyo
iron slam fills your whole posture bar on parry though, so i dont know if its super great
true but this is very managable with talents, using when opponents parry on cd (which is what you should try to do anyway), or just spit/use crit after
good vid, keep it up. (I didnt even watch it yet)
Awake at 4 am just to watch this video
do you know where i can get that first curved surge build it looks so clean with combos
this is my first time using that build in a vid so I’ll probably do a showcase in a couple says
@@SpidersDW think u can send it to me on dc want to prog it as soon as possible i cant lie
I assume your gonna talk about Wraith path in the next video... right? Since you didn't mention it at all with Shadowcast
yep
amazing video ngl i cant even get on becayse of hurricane beryl but i feel like this helped me alot thank you!
PART 2 NOW!
I'm gonna effectively use every attunement like a top player
Ty for the tips
Can you make a video on defense? Everyone tells us to use feints but no one how to defend against them
probably eventually but tbh idk how much interest there will be in a defense video since that’s not a super interesting part of deep for the average player
Spider can you make a dual attunement masterclass or a pve build? Would be really cool, can’t wait for part 2
i have some other ideas id probably like to get to first, but ill write that down in my vid ideas for later
@@SpidersDW ty
What’s the songs you use called? You don’t seem to give credit to the artists..
Is yellow thunder better than blue thunder in a heavy matchup? cause I think yellow thunder hitstuns and cuts hypermor while blue thunder just hitstuns normally
definitely gonna be more helpful than other matchups but I’d probably still rather have surge tbh
What was the attack he did at 3:05?
Judgement contractor
I was making thunder shattered before watching this
Vampire cover is fire bro
Yup 😆
can you put modifiers on jolt grab magnet spark to buff the range?
yes just put perfect lens
Can't wair to see flamecharm rly need some tips
the best weapons for ironsing imo are
first light with stone for the posture dmg great for higher dmg with the good rocket lance feint
jus karita with anything
heavy weapons in general if they have high posture dmg
if you want a easier and better scrapsinger proc for heavy go nemesis great with needle barrage feint or rocket lance feint
Ngl, if you do frostdraw I will prob correct you on some things.
If I don't correct you that means you did good
Frostdraw my beloved ♥️
ur not the alpha bro
spidersdw wake up!!! deepcrusher reqs don't suck anymore!!! you've been in a coma for 8 months 💔
what attunment do u reccomend for new ppl to pvp i got rlly many hours on deep but never rlly pvped
just pick whichever attunement you like, all of them are viable right now. if i had to pick tho id suggest thunder or ice for new players since they dont really rely on unique mechanics that might be confusing to new players compared to the other attunements
@@SpidersDW ok ty, do u have a viable ice build released on this channel?
When is the how to amster every mantra vid will come
this would be cool but so much work Dx
would u say emotion wave or storm blades are better on a thunder crypt build
its up for debate but if you're not cheese id prob go storm blades since it's feint is very strong and it's a very solid mantra overall
@@SpidersDW alr ty also what mods for rising shadow?
will there be attunementless?
probably unless I forget
@@SpidersDW ty
one of my favourite things i do with encircle and katana is i use posers ring to confirm encircle witch i can use to combo into pr much anything i want
i get a lot of smack from ppl in chime tho
Thats a neat combo. Whats the timing like tho? Do you Sheath your weapon then use encircle, or Sheath when encircle is about to finish its wind up? I also seem to remember they nerfed the windup and some other things on encircle, so is this still viable?
How does Galebreathe, Flamecharm, and Ice fare against these attunements? I'm looking for the best beginner attunement.
what makes alloyed katana so strong/good?
its just a really really solid weapon with good stats, and a very strong critical. extremely good with stone or obfuscation
spider can you do a movement guide?
My goat
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HEY DONT SLANDER ME I WAS SKILLFULLY STORMCHEESING!! 😃
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theres only 3 here and if ur doing 3 tmr that means no attunmentless tips 😭
I might still include it idk yet depends how lazy I’m feeling
Is NLK still good?
the tips you gave for thunder aren't that good first off you forgot to mention warden , and normal thunder is much better for ganks and for high elo normal thunder is better due to the stun which can lead to more overall damage , but if you're lower elo and planning on doing chime surge is also pretty good but normal thunder is much better due to the stun.
Ironsing I can believe you didnt say ironhug, legit dumbest mantra dose insane damage , hard to parry goes through block and applies a lot of rods
you legit put a clip of hug hitting someone while they're so far away and for the best wep no way you didnt say iron blunderbuss legit dumbest wep with ironsing
warden okay, disagree with the path take but like I mentioned in the vid that could be debatable so that’s your choice
Ironhug isn’t good against good players since it’s too slow and doesn’t do enough posture dmg or anything. you will never ever see me get hit by it. without storm cheesing I don’t think the reward is good enough for landing it.
iron blunderbuss prob pretty good
@@SpidersDW you legit put a clip of one of the best eu players getting hit with it a lot and multi ironsing rifle users are abusing hug for stormcheese and combos
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unfortunately they made metal fakeout 360 blockable
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hi im spiders im a top 250 gale main :P
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i can finally use ironsing effectively in Mabinogi THANK YOU SPIDERS!! 😁😁
u dont like metal ball?
you forgot about hemocast which has been in the game since release and the obtainment method is going outside and quitting this shit game thats why no one got it yet
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Every attument... You should make a 3rd one for attumentless so everything is covered :)
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"I've used every attunement effectively" this dude off a carried ass gale inf feint synergy build was perma white name 😂
top players cuz GALE CHEEESE BLAHHHHH
gale is not cheese!🙅♂️
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