What would be a budget friendly lens you'd use on the ZV-E1 vs a Sony head. Mainly for talking head style shoot with 2 people. And would love this same video with the new ZV-E10 ii! Awesome video btw. Helped SO much.
Glad you found the video! It's really hard to beat the 'ol Sigma 16mm lens for Sony. It's a crop-sensor lens, but the camera has a crop sensor mode and it would look great...especially if you are on a tripod AND are considering the zv-e10 ii. Do you use a teleprompter? The lens you chose needs to play nice with it otherwise you'll see black bars. I did a series on that in case you DO use a teleprompter. As far as full-frame lenses go, if you can save up a bit I think the Sony 20mm f1.8 would pair beautifully with the ZV-E1. You might find a good deal on it 2nd hand too. Let me know what you decide :)
Another note, when the video started off, I actually preferred the #2 footage! But once you moved indoors the #1 footage edged it out, especially in the low light bedroom, #2 had a lot more noise. I’m viewing on a 75” 4K television though 😆
Right?! Yeah I just watched it on my 75" 4K TV too and had similar thoughts... some scenes were more about personal preference rather than quality. But by the end of the video I think it was clear which was the more robust camera. The price difference though....
As a camera nerd I could see that #2 was a crop body because of the DOF. Then when you did your bedroom I could really tell based on the noise and dynamic range. Keep the full frame the color is better and you can use all the best lenses.
Right? I was switching pretty quick without really focusing on the background too much, but like you said, if you look you can tell. Yeah I love the full frame. The aps-c IS convenient though with it's size and price. Fortunately I'm a bit beyond that though.
1min in and 1# is definitely ZV-E1 and 2# is ZV-E10, it comes down to dynamic range and boca it’s pretty apparent but it’s all depends on lighting and other filming scenarios
Hehe nice! I was wondering how fast it would become obvious. I tried to throw some fake outs in there but I think you're right about the dynamic range really making the footage stand out. But without the side-by-side I think the zv-e10 would be absolutely good enough.
Right?! I agree. And I was impressed more than I thought I'd be after seeing the footage side-by-side. At first when I brought s-log 2 from the zv-e10 into Resolve it didn't look quite as good, but, I was able to tweak the footage more than I expected and it just got there. The value is fantastic. It's the Honda Civic of cameras 🤣
Thanks for justifying my ZV-10! I do want the ZV-1 but just cannot justify it at the moment. From what I understand, and I could be wrong, but from my research about a year or so ago, the ZV-1 shines as a mobile Vlog setup. The automatic settings do awesome walking from light to low light scenarios and keeping a solid and fast focus while in motion. I think the ZV-10 is great for a starting channel though and also does some excellent photography. A bit more complicated in the settings though especially for a beginner. Thanks for the excellent comparison video. :)
Glad you enjoyed it! While you are correct that it would be a MUCH better camera for vlogging you would have to make sure you get the right lens for it (maybe the 20mm Sony?) because FF lenses are quite a bit heavier. I've vlogged with this and, while the quality is good, the experience is not great in my opinion. I mean heck, that was why I bought the DJI Osmo Pocket 3, because I didn't like vlogging with this. But then I got that camera and realized I just didn't really like vlogging at all 😆
if you still have these cameras and lenses could you please compare full body shots like broll of you standing with a nice nature background, i feel like full frame has much better depth than apsc in these scenarios
I don't sorry :( I'll keep that in mind for future videos though! I feel like to make that shot you need to be in a big space or outdoors. I usually shoot indoors which is why it's mostly talking head distance.
I went ahead and picked up the A6700 and I'm obsessively watching reviews waiting for it to arrive. I just can't justify the E1 just yet, and even though I'm 99% video right now, I think the viewfinder will get me back into shooting photos on it as well and I can disguise myself as a photo enthusiast before switching to vlogging. 😁 I'm hoping I can get away with the lack of dynamic active stab because it crops in so much anyway, and just use catalyst with a small corp if needed in certain scenes. I'm not a fan of doing just the talking head stuff. I'd like to at least incorporate some handheld content in all of my videos (like you do), and I'm just done with having to deal with the ZV-E10's rolling shutter, horrible menu, and lack of ability to create separate presets for photo and video, let alone more than 1 that won't reset when I format the SD card. That in and of itself is why I've taking 1 photo...literally 1 on it in almost the two years I've had it. For example, if I switch from video to photo, I also have to change the picture profile and other things so I just gave up on switching. Yes, it won't be as good in lowlight, but I've found that I can reduce a lot of noise with Davinci, even if it takes a lot of time to process.
Haha well that's exciting. I get lots of comments on a video I did talking about the a6700 and people seem to be really happy with it. Did you pick up a lens with it as well because if I recall, you were just rocking the kit lens on your E10? And I know... I'm kind of with you about taking pictures. I see other people that always have high quality pics of their family etc and think I should take more pictures. I do it once or twice a year but my setup is mostly tuned for video so I never think to grab it. Can't wait to hear your first impressions!!
@@thesahdstudio Oh yeah! I have the kit lens, the 11mm, the 35mm F/1.8. I'd like to get the Sigma 16 or Sony 15 mm for studio, but for now I can use the Kit lens and add lots of light for talking heads. That's doable for now.
Im suprised how small difference it is in low light. On every other videos about comparsion full vs APS-C its much bigger difference. Even in your own past videos. ("Full Frame vs. APC-S Side-By-Side Video Comparison" and another that I forget)
I know right? I think the difference is I've gotten better at using the gear. And to be fair, these ARE better cameras with better lenses than the ones I used in the past. You can definitely get away with great quality for less money with APS-C which I think most people should!
Interesting, #2 looked better outside to me while #1 looked better inside. I think you'd still be a bit more future proofed with the ZV-E1, the sensor is just so much better and as you said, the tech and extras in it are much better.
I know, the zv-e10 surprised me a bit too. This is the 3rd Sigma 16mm I've had for crop sensor cameras. It's just so good for the price. It's not as satisfying to use as a G-Master lens of course... and I'm in my 40's now so feel a little entitled to the better quality lol. But jeez, it's hard not to recommend the cheaper lens/camera, even in 2024.
I love the concept of this video. Thank you for doing it. Really helpful! I’m choosing between different Sony cameras and this helps me to narrow down what I really want. The zv-e1 is definitely worth the price for me. You got a new sub :)
Thanks for the comment welcome to the channel! 👊 Yeah I love it too. It just feels more modern and the controls/menus feel a little more future-proof. Every once in a blue moon I run into issues with overheating but most of the time it's not a problem. It's usually when I'm getting carried away creating long content in 4k 60. But it just looks so good! If you remember, let me know what you think when you get it.
@@thesahdstudio thanks for pointing out the overheat issue. Were you filming outside on a sunny day when it overheated? Or it just overheats regardless of what the temperature is?
@minekon yeah it's pretty temperature controlled in my little studio... Definitely happens regardless of the temperature outside. Is happening pretty fast when I was using my iPad as a monitor so as long as you don't do that you record times are pretty decent. Do you have any idea how long you would record for on average? Lower frame rates and lower resolutions it goes for a lot longer
Right? I DO agree the lens is probably the most important part of the combo... I'd rather have a sick piece of glass and shoot in 1080p than a 4k camera with a kit lens.
Ok I guessed it by a hair of a difference. ZV-E1 is a special camera indeed. In the super low light, did you push it to 12800 iso(second native)? It really cleans things up.
Great question! But no, I left the ISO at the lowest setting (original native?)... I did so on both of them. I'm sure it really could have blown the E10 out of the water had I done that but I was in a bit of a rush and honestly didn't think to do so. I don't always do the most comprehensive tests but I still think it's enough to get the jyst of what these cameras are capable of. The E10 actually did better than I expected to. If it had more of the features of it's big brother I would consider keeping it but it just feels like it's has yesterday's tech whereas the E1 still feels up-to-date.
When taken side by side like this it is easy to tell....however, in real world application 99% of people wont be able to tell as there are too many variables in play. I have never had a client asking "Hey, did you use FF camera or APSC?"
Exactly. And that's what I try and imply throughout pretty much all my camera/gear reviews... to get the cheaper stuff. Nobody but you cares. It's great to have awesome gear, I love it! But I paid a lot for it when I didn't need to.
I know right, they are both just great. Mine's just collecting dust and I'd rather sell it while it's worth more instead of keeping it because I like it. Tough call!
The ZV-E10 was better outside which leads me to believe that it’s probably ok inside too, with a little more tweaking. FF isn’t worth it to me so I’ll stick with my ZV-E10 for now but I hear the M2 will be FF.
Yeah exactly... not worth the $$$ if you've got a decent aps-c camera already. I do like the newer zv-e1 better but if I had to do it again, I'm not sure I'd rush to FF like I did.
Yeah that's an interesting suggestion. To be honest, since I'm a bit of a newb, the fact Panasonic's not being full-frame has always scared me off a bit. But as I'm learning it doesn't reallllly matter. Maybe a bit. But also the resale seems a little tougher. It's like buying a Hyundai vs a Honda you know? It's always easy to sell Sony stuff but maybe it'd be a little tougher getting top dollar for the used Panny?
@thesahdstudio the s5iix is a full frame sensor. The GH7 isn't, but it's the first camera to be able to record in 32bit float audio internally when you use the xlr mount. The beauty of 32bit float audio is that you dont have to set the audio levels. both have fan cooling too, so they don't overheat
@thesahdstudio rental or look at returns policy. In the UK for example, online purchases have a 14-day window when it comes to returns so long as it's not damaged. Which would be cheaper than rental 🤔
That's exactly how I feel. I'm comfy with my workflow... and I can use the camera while being in front of it quickly. I mean I still deal with overheating here and there but that just goes with 4k30+ frame rates at this price point of camera.
That room I'm in at 2:20 is SO dark... I mean the footage is really crumbling. It might not look like it is that dark in there but it is. But yeah it would be fun to do more tests for sure. I just wanted to put a video out with them side-by-side while I still have the camera.
@@thesahdstudio it’s the ZVE10ii they are announcing next week. ZVE1 no update. ZVE1 came out May 2023. ZVE10 came out August 2021. I don’t think they’ll release a new ZVE1 until maybe 2026. That will basically be then a smaller A7Siv I imagine if that comes out 2025.
@@wakeywarrior @wakeywarrior I wonder what they will add to make it worth buying... do you have any guesses? Updated menus for sure, maybe updated sensor/autofocus? Think there will be any new game-changing features?! Just some stuff stripped off the a6700?
And it's a LOT of money too! It is great having some extra tools to play with but it really comes at a price. A fun experiment that left me with more questions than answer lol.
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What would be a budget friendly lens you'd use on the ZV-E1 vs a Sony head. Mainly for talking head style shoot with 2 people. And would love this same video with the new ZV-E10 ii! Awesome video btw. Helped SO much.
Glad you found the video! It's really hard to beat the 'ol Sigma 16mm lens for Sony. It's a crop-sensor lens, but the camera has a crop sensor mode and it would look great...especially if you are on a tripod AND are considering the zv-e10 ii. Do you use a teleprompter? The lens you chose needs to play nice with it otherwise you'll see black bars. I did a series on that in case you DO use a teleprompter.
As far as full-frame lenses go, if you can save up a bit I think the Sony 20mm f1.8 would pair beautifully with the ZV-E1. You might find a good deal on it 2nd hand too.
Let me know what you decide :)
Another note, when the video started off, I actually preferred the #2 footage! But once you moved indoors the #1 footage edged it out, especially in the low light bedroom, #2 had a lot more noise. I’m viewing on a 75” 4K television though 😆
Right?! Yeah I just watched it on my 75" 4K TV too and had similar thoughts... some scenes were more about personal preference rather than quality. But by the end of the video I think it was clear which was the more robust camera. The price difference though....
Awesome video, thanks so much. I'm still deciding now
I'm glad you found the video! It's a tough choice! What are you torn between?
@@thesahdstudio honestly between zve1 and zve10 mark II and the fujifilm
@@thesahdstudio which one would you rec?
What are you trying to do?!
@@thesahdstudio content for social media; i found a used zve1 with tamron 20-40 f2.8 lens and battery and song tripos for 1780$. What do you think???
As a camera nerd I could see that #2 was a crop body because of the DOF. Then when you did your bedroom I could really tell based on the noise and dynamic range. Keep the full frame the color is better and you can use all the best lenses.
Right? I was switching pretty quick without really focusing on the background too much, but like you said, if you look you can tell. Yeah I love the full frame. The aps-c IS convenient though with it's size and price. Fortunately I'm a bit beyond that though.
1min in and 1# is definitely ZV-E1 and 2# is ZV-E10, it comes down to dynamic range and boca it’s pretty apparent but it’s all depends on lighting and other filming scenarios
Hehe nice! I was wondering how fast it would become obvious. I tried to throw some fake outs in there but I think you're right about the dynamic range really making the footage stand out. But without the side-by-side I think the zv-e10 would be absolutely good enough.
You just can’t beat that object/background separation of full frame, but other than the low light shot, the e10 held up well enough!
Right?! I agree. And I was impressed more than I thought I'd be after seeing the footage side-by-side. At first when I brought s-log 2 from the zv-e10 into Resolve it didn't look quite as good, but, I was able to tweak the footage more than I expected and it just got there. The value is fantastic. It's the Honda Civic of cameras 🤣
Thanks for justifying my ZV-10! I do want the ZV-1 but just cannot justify it at the moment. From what I understand, and I could be wrong, but from my research about a year or so ago, the ZV-1 shines as a mobile Vlog setup. The automatic settings do awesome walking from light to low light scenarios and keeping a solid and fast focus while in motion. I think the ZV-10 is great for a starting channel though and also does some excellent photography. A bit more complicated in the settings though especially for a beginner. Thanks for the excellent comparison video. :)
Glad you enjoyed it! While you are correct that it would be a MUCH better camera for vlogging you would have to make sure you get the right lens for it (maybe the 20mm Sony?) because FF lenses are quite a bit heavier. I've vlogged with this and, while the quality is good, the experience is not great in my opinion. I mean heck, that was why I bought the DJI Osmo Pocket 3, because I didn't like vlogging with this. But then I got that camera and realized I just didn't really like vlogging at all 😆
if you still have these cameras and lenses could you please compare full body shots like broll of you standing with a nice nature background, i feel like full frame has much better depth than apsc in these scenarios
I don't sorry :( I'll keep that in mind for future videos though! I feel like to make that shot you need to be in a big space or outdoors. I usually shoot indoors which is why it's mostly talking head distance.
I went ahead and picked up the A6700 and I'm obsessively watching reviews waiting for it to arrive. I just can't justify the E1 just yet, and even though I'm 99% video right now, I think the viewfinder will get me back into shooting photos on it as well and I can disguise myself as a photo enthusiast before switching to vlogging. 😁 I'm hoping I can get away with the lack of dynamic active stab because it crops in so much anyway, and just use catalyst with a small corp if needed in certain scenes. I'm not a fan of doing just the talking head stuff. I'd like to at least incorporate some handheld content in all of my videos (like you do), and I'm just done with having to deal with the ZV-E10's rolling shutter, horrible menu, and lack of ability to create separate presets for photo and video, let alone more than 1 that won't reset when I format the SD card. That in and of itself is why I've taking 1 photo...literally 1 on it in almost the two years I've had it. For example, if I switch from video to photo, I also have to change the picture profile and other things so I just gave up on switching. Yes, it won't be as good in lowlight, but I've found that I can reduce a lot of noise with Davinci, even if it takes a lot of time to process.
Haha well that's exciting. I get lots of comments on a video I did talking about the a6700 and people seem to be really happy with it. Did you pick up a lens with it as well because if I recall, you were just rocking the kit lens on your E10? And I know... I'm kind of with you about taking pictures. I see other people that always have high quality pics of their family etc and think I should take more pictures. I do it once or twice a year but my setup is mostly tuned for video so I never think to grab it. Can't wait to hear your first impressions!!
@@thesahdstudio Oh yeah! I have the kit lens, the 11mm, the 35mm F/1.8. I'd like to get the Sigma 16 or Sony 15 mm for studio, but for now I can use the Kit lens and add lots of light for talking heads. That's doable for now.
Im suprised how small difference it is in low light. On every other videos about comparsion full vs APS-C its much bigger difference. Even in your own past videos. ("Full Frame vs. APC-S Side-By-Side Video Comparison" and another that I forget)
I know right? I think the difference is I've gotten better at using the gear. And to be fair, these ARE better cameras with better lenses than the ones I used in the past. You can definitely get away with great quality for less money with APS-C which I think most people should!
Interesting, #2 looked better outside to me while #1 looked better inside. I think you'd still be a bit more future proofed with the ZV-E1, the sensor is just so much better and as you said, the tech and extras in it are much better.
I know, the zv-e10 surprised me a bit too. This is the 3rd Sigma 16mm I've had for crop sensor cameras. It's just so good for the price. It's not as satisfying to use as a G-Master lens of course... and I'm in my 40's now so feel a little entitled to the better quality lol. But jeez, it's hard not to recommend the cheaper lens/camera, even in 2024.
I love the concept of this video. Thank you for doing it. Really helpful! I’m choosing between different Sony cameras and this helps me to narrow down what I really want. The zv-e1 is definitely worth the price for me. You got a new sub :)
Thanks for the comment welcome to the channel! 👊 Yeah I love it too. It just feels more modern and the controls/menus feel a little more future-proof. Every once in a blue moon I run into issues with overheating but most of the time it's not a problem. It's usually when I'm getting carried away creating long content in 4k 60. But it just looks so good! If you remember, let me know what you think when you get it.
@@thesahdstudio thanks for pointing out the overheat issue. Were you filming outside on a sunny day when it overheated? Or it just overheats regardless of what the temperature is?
@minekon yeah it's pretty temperature controlled in my little studio... Definitely happens regardless of the temperature outside. Is happening pretty fast when I was using my iPad as a monitor so as long as you don't do that you record times are pretty decent. Do you have any idea how long you would record for on average? Lower frame rates and lower resolutions it goes for a lot longer
Honestly, it’s TH-cam compression that makes it even more difficult to tell. Short answer… it’s the type of glass that you strap on the front.
Right? I DO agree the lens is probably the most important part of the combo... I'd rather have a sick piece of glass and shoot in 1080p than a 4k camera with a kit lens.
Ok I guessed it by a hair of a difference.
ZV-E1 is a special camera indeed. In the super low light, did you push it to 12800 iso(second native)? It really cleans things up.
Great question! But no, I left the ISO at the lowest setting (original native?)... I did so on both of them. I'm sure it really could have blown the E10 out of the water had I done that but I was in a bit of a rush and honestly didn't think to do so. I don't always do the most comprehensive tests but I still think it's enough to get the jyst of what these cameras are capable of. The E10 actually did better than I expected to. If it had more of the features of it's big brother I would consider keeping it but it just feels like it's has yesterday's tech whereas the E1 still feels up-to-date.
@@thesahdstudio The tests are excellent 👌!
@thesahdstudio There is a mode on the fx cameras called cine ei that only utilizes native ISOs.
When taken side by side like this it is easy to tell....however, in real world application 99% of people wont be able to tell as there are too many variables in play. I have never had a client asking "Hey, did you use FF camera or APSC?"
Exactly. And that's what I try and imply throughout pretty much all my camera/gear reviews... to get the cheaper stuff. Nobody but you cares. It's great to have awesome gear, I love it! But I paid a lot for it when I didn't need to.
@@thesahdstudioand you get 1 more subs from me for that :)
@@HydeTravelLog Aw yeah! Welcome to the channel, good to have you 👊
I have both I use the zve1 as A cam zve10 as B cam both are great awesome camera
I know right, they are both just great. Mine's just collecting dust and I'd rather sell it while it's worth more instead of keeping it because I like it. Tough call!
I have both and I think the zv-e1 is better it gives more options and is better for future-proofing.
That's my take away too... but with that being said, it costs a LOT more.
What lens are you rocking on yours?
The ZV-E10 was better outside which leads me to believe that it’s probably ok inside too, with a little more tweaking. FF isn’t worth it to me so I’ll stick with my ZV-E10 for now but I hear the M2 will be FF.
Yeah exactly... not worth the $$$ if you've got a decent aps-c camera already. I do like the newer zv-e1 better but if I had to do it again, I'm not sure I'd rush to FF like I did.
panasonic lumix s5 iix or the upcoming Panasonic LUMIX GH7 are really good. Zero overheating issues
Yeah that's an interesting suggestion. To be honest, since I'm a bit of a newb, the fact Panasonic's not being full-frame has always scared me off a bit. But as I'm learning it doesn't reallllly matter. Maybe a bit. But also the resale seems a little tougher. It's like buying a Hyundai vs a Honda you know? It's always easy to sell Sony stuff but maybe it'd be a little tougher getting top dollar for the used Panny?
@thesahdstudio the s5iix is a full frame sensor. The GH7 isn't, but it's the first camera to be able to record in 32bit float audio internally when you use the xlr mount. The beauty of 32bit float audio is that you dont have to set the audio levels. both have fan cooling too, so they don't overheat
@@shaunod6745 Those seem like some gnarly features. Love the fans too. I wonder if I can rent one!
@thesahdstudio rental or look at returns policy. In the UK for example, online purchases have a 14-day window when it comes to returns so long as it's not damaged. Which would be cheaper than rental 🤔
There's no point downgrading if you don't need to. That said, if you switched from the ZVE1 to the ZVE10 and didn't tell anyone, nobody would notice.
That's exactly how I feel. I'm comfy with my workflow... and I can use the camera while being in front of it quickly. I mean I still deal with overheating here and there but that just goes with 4k30+ frame rates at this price point of camera.
Can we use sigma 100 400 and sirui 75mm 1.8 with zv e10
It's a good question and the answer is I don't honestly know. As long as it's the right mount I can't see why not?
Get them on low light for the real test.
That room I'm in at 2:20 is SO dark... I mean the footage is really crumbling. It might not look like it is that dark in there but it is. But yeah it would be fun to do more tests for sure. I just wanted to put a video out with them side-by-side while I still have the camera.
@@thesahdstudio ZVE10ii announced next week. But jeez- the camera is nowhere near a ZVE1.
@@wakeywarrior Interesting! Didn't the zv-e1 come out in 2021? Sony sure knows how to make you feel bad about that camera you just bought 😆
@@thesahdstudio it’s the ZVE10ii they are announcing next week. ZVE1 no update. ZVE1 came out May 2023. ZVE10 came out August 2021. I don’t think they’ll release a new ZVE1 until maybe 2026. That will basically be then a smaller A7Siv I imagine if that comes out 2025.
@@wakeywarrior @wakeywarrior I wonder what they will add to make it worth buying... do you have any guesses? Updated menus for sure, maybe updated sensor/autofocus? Think there will be any new game-changing features?! Just some stuff stripped off the a6700?
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Nope, not worth the extra money. I couldn't tell the difference on my 4K monitor in most of the comparisons.
And it's a LOT of money too! It is great having some extra tools to play with but it really comes at a price. A fun experiment that left me with more questions than answer lol.