I think it's cool that we get new Avatar Games at all; that said though QfB is fundamentally aiming for something very different than we do while also probably dealing with a crazy low budget and short timelines to release it. Also worth to mention that this is the first game from that studio with that kind of scale. Our goal for Four Seasons is to literally look at every frame of the show and translate it into 3D as close as possible so you can switch back and forth between the show and our game and immediately feel immersed. QfB aims for a more game-y feel with stylized visuals. (Not saying our game won't have game-y elements but definitely not as tagged on as this seems to be, I want to have most systems make sense within the world itself while also keeping the original layout of the locations intact.) I think it's interesting that they actually went for a more stylized approach than the actual show if you look at locations like Senlin Village. I think their game will actually be a good time; not the game I'd make though.^^ Btw funny that you mentioned the character design of our game because that's one of the few things I actually didn't make. My buddy Kaifraz did that a few years back when we were still all learning Dreams and how to sculpt in it. Considering the Limitations of Dreams and that this was one of his earlier sculpts it's actually really impressive for Dreams' Standards but might be worth remaking Aang at this point with the gained knowledge (I would need to literally reanimate everything though, so that might just be a thing we do for Book 2/3). We also just got a dedicated Character Sculptor who already made Bumi (you can see him on my Instagram and it actually looks very nice imo). Anyways thanks for the kind words! We will definitely try to make the game that does the show justice. ❤️
That's amazing to hear! Any harsh words I've said towards Bamtang come from a place of wanting to play an enjoyable ATLA game that I can clearly see in my head but it just hasn't been realised yet. I love the approach you guys have taken and I can't even fathom the amount of work you and your team must have put into your game for the last few years. I'll be eagerly awaiting the release and good luck!
@@GamerDaSkater Dreams is currently Playstation exclusive and there's not really a feasible way to port a game from it to another engine so I wouldn't get my hopes up.
@@NerdyGamerReacts This is a Game made inside another Game, unofficially by Fans. Getting OG Voice Actors on board wouldn't be hard if it wasn't for legalities.
It always baffles me seeing some Multi-Million Dollar Dev Team working from scratch when a single indie developer has already put a LOT of love into a fan project for free. Seriously, just hire the guy and use his environments!
as someone who had had his first engineering years experience in the "real world" industry I have to say everything summarizes on timelines, delivery dates and making money. Sadly, the industry focuses more in fast delevopment, making "the best" you can achieve in that time period and passion for a great detailed product is left on the lower priority ladder.
Bamtang games is not a multimillion company, at ALL. They are lucky they even got the license for Nick games (I think they also developed the Karting games). That being said, they maybe could’ve gotten some extra financial support directly from Nick, who knows.
The environments in both games look really good but the animations in the official game could use so much work 😅 (Edit) I'd be a water bender there's so many different ways you can use it 🌊
actually the recent updates to dreams added the ability to stamp stickers, and by tempering with the sticker tools you can achieve a cell shading effects on your creations. the the characters model looks a bit bland in the fan game is probably the person who made the fan game aren't good enough to sculpt on puppets the standard looks of the characters in the dreams fan game got nothing to do with dreams doesn't have polygons. I have dreams and I been using it daily since late 2021 to this day and got some good knowledge on sculpting techniques with the engine.
@@anasbakhit4303 I know what Dreams is. I have been using it myself since it first came out. And there is no way a anime inspired dreams creation can look better than a polygon based engine with a real cell shading shader. Elca is good, but the bubblebath engine has its limitations. I just pointed that out in the first place since i thought this video was an unfair comparison.
the most Avatar game I've ever played was "Avatar: The Last Airbender - Into the Inferno" and this new game seems like it tries to be a little bit of what that game was, the idea of puzzles existed in the old one, the 3D graphics, the bend seem to have similar ideas, but it's amazing how even with about 20 years of differences the guys manage to do something better, in that game there was a lot missing, and they seem to be just trying to make a copy and paste with all the books and on top of a way worse but visually better just for them to buy. What a mess, I hope that until the launch they improve, and if not, that at least after the launch it happens.
i wish a big compani put the same effort on a Avatar game like Elca does, BUT, i been watching Elca streamings and videos for the past couple of years, and even though i think he is making a good Avatar Universe, he doesn't look like he's thinking about the level design in each enviroment. Whats gonna do the player when he gets there, is everything just gonna be the show but you playing it? i havent seen any combat yet, i know you already can bend some elements, but i haven't seen them in action... Anyways i just hope both projects the best, at the end, the fans just want more avatar content
Probably the main reasons behind the success of Elca and the failure of that random mobile game company are: 1. That the random company has to develop it is less than X years. In the industry (game industry, 3D industry, programming industry, music industry, industry of industries, etc), when your boss says "I want it done for tomorrow morning", then it *WILL BE DONE* by tomorrow morning. Idk if it will be good or not, but it will be done.. Elca can actually keep working for another year, maybe 2 years, it's a side project, even the supporters (the closest thing to his "boss" here) support the idea. Each task, no matter which one, has a time limit, and most of them are also done in order, when you spend 1 day more on something, then chances are that you'll have to spend one less on something else (or add more hs of work, and this will all affect multiple departments within the studio). 2. As Elca said in some other comment, his focus goes fully into recreating the world of the series, it's the closest thing to an "Avatar: The Last Airbender TV Series" interactive videogame sim experience. Most people don't want to play as Azula or Aang, most people want to travel around the diff scenarios, to immerse themselves into the series but from a new first person or third person 3D perspective. There's no real place for puzzles, everything is handcrafted, matching the original show, nothing is changed or added just for the sake of some puzzle-driven gameplay. When you add puzzles and stuff alike, you end up tweaking the level design in order to add such features (and no fans give a damn about this, most fans want an actual recreation of the series, in 3D, and Elca along with the rest behind the project, are fully committed into that, which is awesome and I hope they'll live long enough to do the same with Legend of Korra lol).
i mean elca does have a time limit no? the time limit being dreams itself, either it takes so long to make that the ps6 released and there's no dreams on that system whatsoever. or dreams shuts down their servers (tho idk how exactly this works, so that might not be a problem)
@@jeffboy4231 That might be technically correct, the time limit being attached to dreams platform or servers (idk since I don't even own a PS or Xbox console anymore so no idea). If that's the case then yes. Would also depend on how much assets he uses come from the cloud (if those are local, then he will still have the save files, that should be the case, in any case hope dreams lives for another 20 years lol)
@@NikoBellicXDS what we have to hope for is that the game releases on dreams, and many many people buy dreams then only to play that game, then maybe there will be a dreams 2, where you can import your dreams 1 creations (and maybe upgrade them)
And... that's why big companies issue DMCA notices to indie games. They want their shitty cash grub titles to not have any sort of competition. Because honestly, my first reaction to this game was: "wait how is this game a hundred times worse than that indie dreams project?". I must say, however, we aren't guaranteed that the dreams game will ever see release, so for now my excitement is contained. Many indie titles fall during development sadly. I wish them luck in giving us the ATLA game we fans deserve!
This game does look like an out of time licence cash grab from 20 years ago, but tbf, Elca's game isn't a game yet at all. It's still mostly just very well made recreations of various places from the show.
This is copium on my end but there is modding so i imagine that some passionate fan will take this game in thier own hands and add more animations and more movement to the characters.Or if we are really lucky decide to redesign some gameplay features like puzzles and environments.
the legend of korra game that came out a few years ago would be a good engine for animations to go off of in push further past its limits that game was good espilxtliy the last boss fight just imagane that but with more effort in a lot more open world in story to it
Oh f*** puzzles, excuse my language but oh no, come on... I had a hard time with the GBA's Avatar with all those puzzles and the messy fighting system. It wasn't fun. I've watched a video of Elca's project about 2 years ago? And then I saw how it looks now, and it looks amazing! The fighting system does look nice, I sort of hope he changes the character's models in the future by idk, getting a freelancer 3D modeler to make some models for him, since character models are the easiest part to replace in game engines, he could just swap the old Aang to a new one.
Its so clear what the fans want, why would they come out with a puzzle game with ugly animations? The only explanation i could think of is that they are releasing a quick cash grab before releasing an actual game alongside the upcoming avatar projects. We can only hope
Still waiting on an ATLA/LoK 2D fighting game in the style of Dragonball Fighterz or Guilty Gear. One of those dreams that will probably never come tru :(
Today I will be reviewing Naruto Ultimate Ninja Connections. The 8th game in the Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm series not to be confused with the Naruto Ultimate Ninja games on PS2 that's not storm just Ultimate Ninja but they're both poopooo dog shit stinkers that look like they were designed for the PS1 and N64, I mean how do you even expect me to play a Naruto game with borito in it, he's like the gay. This is all I hear when y'all talk about this game, I bet this avatar game would be way better if they got M. Night Shyamalan and Neil Druckmann to direct the story and cast the character's as live action actors that have a face scan done for realism. Then it will be 10/10 right?
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I think it's cool that we get new Avatar Games at all; that said though QfB is fundamentally aiming for something very different than we do while also probably dealing with a crazy low budget and short timelines to release it. Also worth to mention that this is the first game from that studio with that kind of scale.
Our goal for Four Seasons is to literally look at every frame of the show and translate it into 3D as close as possible so you can switch back and forth between the show and our game and immediately feel immersed. QfB aims for a more game-y feel with stylized visuals. (Not saying our game won't have game-y elements but definitely not as tagged on as this seems to be, I want to have most systems make sense within the world itself while also keeping the original layout of the locations intact.)
I think it's interesting that they actually went for a more stylized approach than the actual show if you look at locations like Senlin Village.
I think their game will actually be a good time; not the game I'd make though.^^
Btw funny that you mentioned the character design of our game because that's one of the few things I actually didn't make. My buddy Kaifraz did that a few years back when we were still all learning Dreams and how to sculpt in it. Considering the Limitations of Dreams and that this was one of his earlier sculpts it's actually really impressive for Dreams' Standards but might be worth remaking Aang at this point with the gained knowledge (I would need to literally reanimate everything though, so that might just be a thing we do for Book 2/3).
We also just got a dedicated Character Sculptor who already made Bumi (you can see him on my Instagram and it actually looks very nice imo).
Anyways thanks for the kind words!
We will definitely try to make the game that does the show justice. ❤️
That's amazing to hear! Any harsh words I've said towards Bamtang come from a place of wanting to play an enjoyable ATLA game that I can clearly see in my head but it just hasn't been realised yet. I love the approach you guys have taken and I can't even fathom the amount of work you and your team must have put into your game for the last few years. I'll be eagerly awaiting the release and good luck!
I hope your game comes to all platforms if there was a way to ever get that published .
@@GamerDaSkater Dreams is currently Playstation exclusive and there's not really a feasible way to port a game from it to another engine so I wouldn't get my hopes up.
@@ermwhatdaheck yeah I figured …
@@NerdyGamerReacts This is a Game made inside another Game, unofficially by Fans. Getting OG Voice Actors on board wouldn't be hard if it wasn't for legalities.
It always baffles me seeing some Multi-Million Dollar Dev Team working from scratch when a single indie developer has already put a LOT of love into a fan project for free.
Seriously, just hire the guy and use his environments!
In a perfect world, that would happen for all projects like this
Where did you get "multi-million dollar dev team" from?
in this case it would be impossible cause it's locked to the Dream game, you cant get anything out assetwise from Dreams
as someone who had had his first engineering years experience in the "real world" industry I have to say everything summarizes on timelines, delivery dates and making money. Sadly, the industry focuses more in fast delevopment, making "the best" you can achieve in that time period and passion for a great detailed product is left on the lower priority ladder.
Bamtang games is not a multimillion company, at ALL. They are lucky they even got the license for Nick games (I think they also developed the Karting games).
That being said, they maybe could’ve gotten some extra financial support directly from Nick, who knows.
Yes, the answer is yes.
Okay thanks. I can take the video down now
That's not saying much xD
But there could be a chance where they make it better
@@charlesjoseph8998they didn’t
0.03 seconds , saw the answer am like bruh. Jobs a don'in
EG's game is getting the attention to detail that we all have hoped for because he is a fan himself.
Fan made looks better overall the city and gameplay but the characters of Quest look more accurate
Cyberconnect2 could make a really good Avatar The Last Airbender action RPG.
Quest for Balance looks like it was made to be a Perfect World MMORPG.
The environments in both games look really good but the animations in the official game could use so much work 😅
(Edit) I'd be a water bender there's so many different ways you can use it 🌊
Same
The fan game is made in dreams. There isn't any cell-shading tools nor polygons.
actually the recent updates to dreams added the ability to stamp stickers, and by tempering with the sticker tools you can achieve a cell shading effects on your creations.
the the characters model looks a bit bland in the fan game is probably the person who made the fan game aren't good enough to sculpt on puppets the standard looks of the characters in the dreams fan game got nothing to do with dreams doesn't have polygons.
I have dreams and I been using it daily since late 2021 to this day and got some good knowledge on sculpting techniques with the engine.
@@anasbakhit4303 I know what Dreams is. I have been using it myself since it first came out. And there is no way a anime inspired dreams creation can look better than a polygon based engine with a real cell shading shader. Elca is good, but the bubblebath engine has its limitations. I just pointed that out in the first place since i thought this video was an unfair comparison.
the most Avatar game I've ever played was "Avatar: The Last Airbender - Into the Inferno" and this new game seems like it tries to be a little bit of what that game was, the idea of puzzles existed in the old one, the 3D graphics, the bend seem to have similar ideas, but it's amazing how even with about 20 years of differences the guys manage to do something better, in that game there was a lot missing, and they seem to be just trying to make a copy and paste with all the books and on top of a way worse but visually better just for them to buy. What a mess, I hope that until the launch they improve, and if not, that at least after the launch it happens.
2:04 yeah, I can see what you mean, but we’re in 2023. The graphics might have looks good 6 years ago, but not now.
true true our expectations should be higher
Yes
That's some insightful stuff, man.
i wish a big compani put the same effort on a Avatar game like Elca does, BUT, i been watching Elca streamings and videos for the past couple of years, and even though i think he is making a good Avatar Universe, he doesn't look like he's thinking about the level design in each enviroment. Whats gonna do the player when he gets there, is everything just gonna be the show but you playing it? i havent seen any combat yet, i know you already can bend some elements, but i haven't seen them in action... Anyways i just hope both projects the best, at the end, the fans just want more avatar content
To be fair, I’m pretty sure the combat/bending is gonna take wayyyyy less time for him to complete than the 1 for 1 level design he’s going for
pretty sure they are gonna work on that after the environment is completed
Probably the main reasons behind the success of Elca and the failure of that random mobile game company are:
1. That the random company has to develop it is less than X years. In the industry (game industry, 3D industry, programming industry, music industry, industry of industries, etc), when your boss says "I want it done for tomorrow morning", then it *WILL BE DONE* by tomorrow morning. Idk if it will be good or not, but it will be done.. Elca can actually keep working for another year, maybe 2 years, it's a side project, even the supporters (the closest thing to his "boss" here) support the idea. Each task, no matter which one, has a time limit, and most of them are also done in order, when you spend 1 day more on something, then chances are that you'll have to spend one less on something else (or add more hs of work, and this will all affect multiple departments within the studio).
2. As Elca said in some other comment, his focus goes fully into recreating the world of the series, it's the closest thing to an "Avatar: The Last Airbender TV Series" interactive videogame sim experience. Most people don't want to play as Azula or Aang, most people want to travel around the diff scenarios, to immerse themselves into the series but from a new first person or third person 3D perspective. There's no real place for puzzles, everything is handcrafted, matching the original show, nothing is changed or added just for the sake of some puzzle-driven gameplay. When you add puzzles and stuff alike, you end up tweaking the level design in order to add such features (and no fans give a damn about this, most fans want an actual recreation of the series, in 3D, and Elca along with the rest behind the project, are fully committed into that, which is awesome and I hope they'll live long enough to do the same with Legend of Korra lol).
i mean elca does have a time limit no? the time limit being dreams itself, either it takes so long to make that the ps6 released and there's no dreams on that system whatsoever. or dreams shuts down their servers (tho idk how exactly this works, so that might not be a problem)
@@jeffboy4231 That might be technically correct, the time limit being attached to dreams platform or servers (idk since I don't even own a PS or Xbox console anymore so no idea). If that's the case then yes. Would also depend on how much assets he uses come from the cloud (if those are local, then he will still have the save files, that should be the case, in any case hope dreams lives for another 20 years lol)
@@NikoBellicXDS what we have to hope for is that the game releases on dreams, and many many people buy dreams then only to play that game, then maybe there will be a dreams 2, where you can import your dreams 1 creations (and maybe upgrade them)
And... that's why big companies issue DMCA notices to indie games. They want their shitty cash grub titles to not have any sort of competition. Because honestly, my first reaction to this game was: "wait how is this game a hundred times worse than that indie dreams project?".
I must say, however, we aren't guaranteed that the dreams game will ever see release, so for now my excitement is contained. Many indie titles fall during development sadly. I wish them luck in giving us the ATLA game we fans deserve!
it do be like that.
Personally i loved every game i played on the ps2 so im looking foreward to a game that looks like it was made for it
2:06 my child hood, oh, and there was also a fan made cell shaded Ben 10
I would love an ATLA game with gameplay like that LOK game. Anyone remember that game?
This wouldve been so good if they put a lot of effort in the animation for both games
It’s been four years since I’ve been following him
funny how a few people nowadays are better than an entire corporation
Fire in ATLA and Earth for the Metal Bending being more developed/widespread in LOK
REAL
This game does look like an out of time licence cash grab from 20 years ago, but tbf, Elca's game isn't a game yet at all. It's still mostly just very well made recreations of various places from the show.
Update: Yeah the fan made game is better
1:00 i like it only for the characters, but at least it’s better than berserk 2016
This is copium on my end but there is modding so i imagine that some passionate fan will take this game in thier own hands and add more animations and more movement to the characters.Or if we are really lucky decide to redesign some gameplay features like puzzles and environments.
the legend of korra game that came out a few years ago would be a good engine for animations to go off of in push further past its limits that game was good espilxtliy the last boss fight just imagane that but with more effort in a lot more open world in story to it
We already have an avatar game. it's called Genshin Impact
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Heizou movement look fluid and look like fire bender, but he is anemo(air)
True
I kinda just want an atla fighting game tbh...
Now that would be cool. XD
It just makes me think of the Ratatouille game from the Wii lol
Of all the complaints I had of the game, graphics was not one of them.
Oh f*** puzzles, excuse my language but oh no, come on... I had a hard time with the GBA's Avatar with all those puzzles and the messy fighting system. It wasn't fun. I've watched a video of Elca's project about 2 years ago? And then I saw how it looks now, and it looks amazing! The fighting system does look nice,
I sort of hope he changes the character's models in the future by idk, getting a freelancer 3D modeler to make some models for him, since character models are the easiest part to replace in game engines, he could just swap the old Aang to a new one.
As of a few days ago, we've gotten a new Aang model made and implemented.
How would Elca publish his game? He doesn’t own the rights to avatar unfortunately
He got the green light from big nick
I know we can bend fire and water BUT HOOOW
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!
DUDE REAL
Subbed, awesome video man, I'd be an Airbender, i love the philosophy of the Air Nomads, peace, and tranquility.🙏💯😊
Thanks so much! ♥ #RebuildTheAirNation
Its so clear what the fans want, why would they come out with a puzzle game with ugly animations?
The only explanation i could think of is that they are releasing a quick cash grab before releasing an actual game alongside the upcoming avatar projects. We can only hope
I would love to be a water bender.
is that even a question? how dare you
The Cel-shaded character models look SO out of place in this game......
Still waiting on an ATLA/LoK 2D fighting game in the style of Dragonball Fighterz or Guilty Gear. One of those dreams that will probably never come tru :(
It’s gonna have a low character roster
@CyclesSomething that's fine as long as it played well
Mega yes
I'm a water bender
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Veeeeryyyy Big Yessss
fart bender
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Today I will be reviewing Naruto Ultimate Ninja Connections. The 8th game in the Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm series not to be confused with the Naruto Ultimate Ninja games on PS2 that's not storm just Ultimate Ninja but they're both poopooo dog shit stinkers that look like they were designed for the PS1 and N64, I mean how do you even expect me to play a Naruto game with borito in it, he's like the gay.
This is all I hear when y'all talk about this game, I bet this avatar game would be way better if they got M. Night Shyamalan and Neil Druckmann to direct the story and cast the character's as live action actors that have a face scan done for realism. Then it will be 10/10 right?
bro are you fucking drunk?
The newer game looks better than the fan based game tho. So what’s the problem?
You now should definitely know how bad the game is
Quest for balance is an insult to avatar the last airbender! Disgusting!!
Maybe the Live action will finale be what this fandom needs 🤞
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