Fall Guy CVT and eCVT are completely different things. Toyota’s in-house CVT has a real 1st gear and then a light cone/belt CVT. Unfortunately , it’s not very reliable and a subject of major recalls. Toyota’s eCVT is a planetary gear setup that has no traditional gears to switch, but has no cones, belts or chains either, and it’s incredibly reliable.
I think they should have introduced the AWD Camry as a hybrid. Use the same setup in the Prius/Rav4 for an electric rear end and now it's the new Camry AWD that just so happens to also be a hybrid and get 43MPG all day long.
Good on you plugging the importance of proper tires. I have to say, if the fuel economy is really worse than the RAV this is a bit of a silly vehicle. Maybe they should have gone for a hybrid AWD instead for the Camry.
The Rav4 is a smaller vehicle. Many don’t see it, but the interior passenger volume is quite a bit smaller than the Camry. Compare the weight of both in FWD setups.
Toyota's projections are correct, I'm sure. I live in Western ny & my local Nissan dealer stock on Altima's is about 60/40 AWD. Good move for Toyota, certainly won't hurt sales.
@@sic22l Our Corolla Hybrid is made in Japan alongside eAWD Hybrid versions of the sedan and wagon. My information comes from Toyota's press release dated Sept 17, 2019. I am unclear about the hatch being sold with the eAWD system though there is certainly a FWD Hybrid hatch in Japan and Europe.
I get why everyone is begging for awd on the V6. You’d get a relatively powerful, indestructible, winter prepped vehicle. New ones seem to go for 32-35K and with the 1500 up charge for awd, you may be able to get one for under 35K. I think that a decent amount of people in my area would make that purchase, but not sure about nationally. So I have to assume Toyota wants to protect Lexus ES sales. Why get a ES when you could get a V6 Camry that’s not too far down the ladder
You would think having an AWD Camry Hybrid system would be a top seller for Toyota? You can get the Camry Hybrid, you can get the Camry AWD, but no Camry Hybrid with the E-AWD system like the Rav4 hybrid. All the fuel mpg economy with added electronic motor rear axle traction. Substantial mpg gains there que no? Great reviews as always Alex.
Alex, The Camry could be the Number 1 AWD sedan within a year. While the mpg numbers are disappointing, let's wait for real world testing as the Camry FWD 4 beats its official figures. An AWD Camry Hybrid certainly sounds like the next logical step for TMC to take. While Toyota is mixing and matching their TNGA powertrains, how about a #RAV4V6?
@@naveenkrishnamurthy7576 That is why I am curious to see road tests. The FWD Camry 4 cylinder got 45 highway mpg in the Car & Driver test so the 34 mpg cited here seems very low.
@@naveenkrishnamurthy7576 My non-hybrid Crosstrek managed 46MPG+ on a tank, after I upgraded the air intake/filter. AWD doesn't have to kill MPG. The car is only rated for about 32MPG hwy. I now have skidplates, taller AT tires, and a 2" hitch. It can still manage high 30s MPG on my commute.
The Subaru Legacy has a 18.5-gal fuel tank and better gas mileage (+2). Camry will have probably 14.5-gal (on base model) or maybe the 16-gal tank if lucky... That's a 150-mile range difference or 16 more trips at the gas station per year under my current driving habits... Yeah you're right can't compare to the Subaru...
I prefer mechanical AWD. Toyota's CEO said, "No more boring cars." It's good to see they're working toward that. Just wish there were big foglights, or actual brake cooling ducts, where this fake front "intakes" are.
Funny that you say that about Subaru because my 2011 Legacy was recently stuck in icy snow and my wife went to floor it to try to get out of the spot. I saw all 4 tires spin freely for a few seconds (until TC attacked them and the engine cut the power), but the front wheels were spinning MUCH faster than the rears, without the car moving even an inch. My 2005 Camry got out fairly easily, but it seems to have more ground clearance and better approach/departure angles. The new Camry’s clearance looks worse. The Legacy was stuck because it couldn’t get over the accumulated snow.
I've driven rental Altima and a Camry recently and OMG no comparison the Camry is awesome the Altima is a pile of garbage. My daily driver is a Kia Stinger GT1 and yeah Alex you are right not the same thing the Stinger is way more sporty. I was impressed with the handling of the Camry, but not in the same league as the Stinger. I wouldn't compare it to the Avalon either more comparable to BMW3 or Audi A4
I have the 2019 Altima SL AWD and it is surely not a "pile of garbage". The Altima will be thousands and thousands maybe $5000 or more cheaper than the Camry 🤣🤣🤣. Alex seems to have forgotten to mention that little fact under the watchful eyes of his Toyota pay masters
@@ABCD-eg5ky Hey son! Please give us an update in 3 years or 100k miles how you're going to invest 10k into your Altima. Everyone here knows Nissan CVT is junk just like their sales figures but you haven't figured that out.
@@warhmonger will do dummy. I still spent $5500 less than any other option after the killer deal I received. The vehicle is 100% awesome and you are a 100% garbage head with zero flexibility in your 80 IQ thinking. I'm surprised a moron such as yourself is not in prison yet. Unless you are just using your prison library privileges to hassle normal people on the internet. 🤣🤣🤣🐑🐑🐑
Veracity Alex already addressed the Nissan discount situation in his video on resale value. Why don’t you educate yourself instead of running your mouth online? You’d come across smarter.
@@afcgeo882 he didn't in this video because he is a sell out byatch. And you are a deceived sucker. The discount is impossible to turn down. Any long term repair I need to fix will easily be compensated by the discount and there won't be any problems until 200k miles just like every other vehicle I have owned in 40 years when I maintain it well. You Toyota fan boys are morons
Lots of Japanese cars have 4wd in Japan, it's just they are NOT sold elsewhere so people shouldn't be surprised. Toyota only moves if it sees a market.
Taxi only use the lower trim, not the XSE , XSE is the expensive trim. By the way just like all the other car. Uber drivers use their own car , so they all don't drive Camry.
Jankuba Kromah First off, you can get AWD on LE, not just XSE. Second, many people in the US already own Camrys and in many places people buy cars for Uber specifically. By far, most Uber cars in New York City are Camrys.
Solid my 2018 RAV4 Hybrid 3 weeks ago in preparation for to get a 2020 Camry AWD. My dealership posted today that they're on route to Alaska. Not sure what trim I will get yet as the Toyota configurator isn't live but definitely Ruby Flare Pearl.
It’s a rational decision for them to NOT add AWD 3.5V6 simply to save money. Admit it, people commenting here are NOT going to be the real buyers lol. A math question: assuming adding same $1500 for either AWD or hybrid, how many miles can you get back a set of X-ice Xi3 with hybrid over awd from that 20 mpg gap?
Exactly, for almost everyone the 4 cylinder engine, with over 200hp, is more than enough power. Toyota knows that. Also, correct about the snow tires. My previous car was a Legacy. When my lease ended I leased a Hyundai sonata at much less per month & got Bridgestone blizzaks. Will make up the extra cost for tires & wheels about 8 months.
I am fairly confident of two things: 1. about 80 percent of people who pay for the v6 in a Camry would also pay for AWD over FWD 2. Toyota is well aware of 1.
I dont quite understand the big advantage of mechanical awd vs e-awd. Surely the biggest advantage of awd (in a sedan type application) is at slow speeds in slippery conditions. The torque of the electric motors would in most cases out muscle the ICE. So I think issue wouldn't be lack of power, but imbalance?
I can't believe there is no real discussion, except for a few comments in this section, on why in the world would Toyota put AWD option ONLY on their 4cyl models instead of the really powerful V6 models (301 HP). If AWD adds weight and better control (which those V6 models heavily need); costs more, and reduces fuel efficiencies, then why would they think folks who are buying the Toyota 4 cyl sedans want that in their vehicle? It defeats the purpose of buying a 4cyl - lower costs and higher fuel efficiency!
It offers worse MPG than the RAV-4? Then why buy this over a RAV-4? Unless you REALLY want a sedan... which is, of course, a legitimate reason but looking at the SUV craze, I'm not sure many people think that way... The RAV-4 is more practical (more cargo room), offers slightly better offroad performance with higher ground clearance and is easier to park (higher seating position and more compact except height). The Camry may have slightly better driving dynamics but it's by no means a sports sedan...
I don't know, that thumbnail doesn't seem to go with this channel. When I see a thumbnail like that, I think of click bait videos like *What HAPPENS if you turn your car OFF at 50 mph!?!?!? **_GONE WRONG_*
I don't know why, but as an "American" I'm started to cringe a little when people say "America" meaning the USA because I know much of the world doesn't like us saying that (since there are lots of countries in the Americas). I kind of wish TH-camrs would say "in the US".
I agree, though in the Automotive industry, North America is mostly a single market that’s very different from Central America, South America and the Caribbean.
I live in a hilly area and see plenty of stuck and abandoned AWD vehicles when we get a rush hour snow storm. Most AWD systems actually do not have the ability to put enough torque to the rear wheels to push the vehicle up hill if the front wheels are slipping. A Subaru with a manual transmission is the exception. It has a true 50/50 power split all the time.
G Newman Boy... are you wrong on all accounts! First off, you don’t need much torque to go up a hill. Front, rear or otherwise. You especially don’t need it on slippery surfaces. All that will do is make your wheels spin out. It’s why with a manual, you should start on 2nd gear in ice/snow, instead of 1st. 2. The manual Subaru is a default 50/50 split, but can go up to about 96% to either end, depending on slippage. So no, not “all the time”. 3. Almost every AWD vehicle can change into 50/50 torque distribution. 4. The reasons why you might see vehicles stuck in snow are primarily lack of traction (wrong tires for the condition), extreme conditions where no vehicle is safe, lack of ground clearance with snow drifts or a driver who simply didn’t feel it was safe enough to continue. It has nothing to do with any Subaru or other brand. Subarus aren’t magical. I’ve pulled many out of snow drifts and ditches.
m.th-cam.com/video/2OzK-oRPCbs/w-d-xo.html And yes you need torque to push or pull. The reason tractor trailers have diesel engines for the torque to get there wheels rolling. And as you can see from the video not all AWD systems can split power 50/50 or produce enough torque to the rear wheels to push a vehicle up an incline.
No V6, no sale for me. Such a shame as my AWD TLX is an amazing 6/10ths car- perfect for the daily grind. The V6 NEEDS AWD. They shouldn't sell it without it
If they would offer the AWD with the V6 they would expand their customer base to people who want the power and need/appreciate the traction. I’d buy one. If you turn off traction control on a V6 Camry, it just melts the tires on a launch... with AWD it would actually hook up & fly!
Brodi Wheeler very likely Toyota has done their market research. If they believed it could expand their sales/profit, they would. The reason we don’t see it is because it probably isn’t worth it.
@@brodiwheeler7583 idk if it's the new 2.5 turbo that Hyundai/Kia is dropping the numbers are said to be close to 300 hp so we'll see if that do that with AWD that would be amazing
@@afcgeo882 yeah but thats FWD, now factor in how many would opt in for the AWD V6. Honestly more people who buy the v6 would opt in if it was an option. Reason people don't opt in for the v6 anymore is because for a few more bucks you can get into a luxury car. It's just not worth it.
I call BS on that take rate for a V6-AWD Camry. Yes, statistically less people buy the 6 cylinder but a V6-AWD Camry would steal even more sales from the Avalon and, what now should be obvious, the eventual AWD Lexus ES350. Making this version the 4 cylinder, is like Porsche refusing to put more power in the Cayman because it would make the 911 almost obsolete, except for the name.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Apologies, as its not that I think they don't know about their customer base, its just that an AWD Avalon has made sense to do for years, and they give it the 4 cylinder because "well, the take rate is low". That smells fishy
The 8 speed auto is th e big difference. CVT isn’t as desirable. Agree that a 6 cylinder would have been nice. Most hybrids aren’t packaged with AWD. Must be something mechanical that is a stopper on that.
20 YRS OF SUBARU OUTBACKS WITH 4 STUDDED WINTER TIRES: GOES EVERYWHERE AND GETS YOU HOME SAFELY!! (TOP SPEED: 55-60, NO STUDS LOST, LEAVES 4WD WAAAY BEHIND)
So the 2021 Optima GT comes with turbo and AWD.... Hm... Can we also expect Accord to jump into the AWD fray? That might ignite mid-size sedan AWD war and I would love to see that happen
Toyotas, and especially Camrys, are mainly designed for the US/Asia market and the average height is under 5’8. You will find longer seat cushions on cars that are designed for European sales where people are taller on average.
I wonder if they could just offer all V6 camry's with AWD as standard. Thereby making it a feature, instead of an option. It seems to me that V6 buyers are already having to pay for a fully loaded XLE/XSE so they wouldn't mind. But maybe some people are vehemently opposed to AWD?
Why are they killing on of the Blue colors? I have a 2013 Avalon. I bought it in February 2013 so the color line and Qi charging should have been available. I sure they were but my dealer screwup my order. Not uncommon and don't stand for it. Pay attention the the packages you pay for and make sure the dealer quote matches. Toyota makes such reliable cars and then we have to buy them from questionable dealer. I was being nice on that last statement.
Not sure I understand the "Subaru AWD tuned for efficiency" comment. The Subaru runs 60/40 power split all the time, so the only thing it's tuned for is power-on understeer.
webcomment Legacy makes 25 fewer hp and employs a CVT to get the same EPA combined mpg as the Camry. It's not efficient, it's just one workaround on top of another.
Alex on Autos That's news to me Alex. Can you expand on this please? Specific AWD system function is generally something I really want to know because it has a big impact on traction but the information is very hard to come by. The "constantly adjusting" answer is a copout because most of the systems have a default torque split.
AWD will be 4-5 mpg less than FWD? Since FWD 4 cyl rated mpg is sheer fantasy (I get 22 average), the AWD will be able to compete on mpg with Chevy Tahoe.
You're right for the Altima at 210k/year but the Legacy was at 35K for all of 2019 & 40K in 2018... If you include the Legacy station wagon aka the Outback, you can add 180k/year.
I'm from Europe and I drove a Camry rental for 4000 miles on a trip last year. I don't see the appeal. The interior creaks and rattles like hell. The transmission sometimes lugs the engine at 1100 RPM, other times it revs it to 5000 for absolutely no reason. The infotainment is terrible. And while it's practical (in terms of cargo room) for a sedan, just get a smaller wagon and be done with it. Also I had A LOT of luggage in the back and everyone flashed their high beams at me because I was blinding them. No height adjustment knob for the factory LED headlights. Absolute joke.
I had a camry. It made annoying rattling noises. Even the Toyota dealership couldn't find the source of the noise. Other than that, the car was reliable.
@@bird271828 I don't care how reliable it is if I can't drive it for 5 minutes without getting mad. It's unfortunate because if Toyota bothered to make a good car and keep their reliability, they would have a huge winner. I guess there are enough idiots out there because they are still winning.
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Finally an AWD sedan without CVT.
Toyota doesn't do CVT they do ECVT.
James still a cvt lol with just a initial real 1st gear for take off.
James They do make a direct shift CVT real first gear, then bands & cones instead of planetary gears like the e-cvt. It’s in the Corolla.
I totally have my Subaru Impreza 2017 with CVT, boring to drive and not serviceable ( sealed for life bullshit )
Fall Guy CVT and eCVT are completely different things.
Toyota’s in-house CVT has a real 1st gear and then a light cone/belt CVT. Unfortunately , it’s not very reliable and a subject of major recalls.
Toyota’s eCVT is a planetary gear setup that has no traditional gears to switch, but has no cones, belts or chains either, and it’s incredibly reliable.
I think they should have introduced the AWD Camry as a hybrid. Use the same setup in the Prius/Rav4 for an electric rear end and now it's the new Camry AWD that just so happens to also be a hybrid and get 43MPG all day long.
Good on you plugging the importance of proper tires.
I have to say, if the fuel economy is really worse than the RAV this is a bit of a silly vehicle. Maybe they should have gone for a hybrid AWD instead for the Camry.
Yes, the mpg numbers seem very poor. I will reserve final judgment until Car & Driver does their Highway mpg test.
At the least, they should have allowed the coupling to disconnect
Chad Bone It does. It’s set to 100% front most of the time. I think Alex either misspoke or misunderstood.
The Rav4 is a smaller vehicle. Many don’t see it, but the interior passenger volume is quite a bit smaller than the Camry. Compare the weight of both in FWD setups.
@@afcgeo882 the driveshaft axle is always turning unfortunately
Love how Toyota still keep the 8 speed
I like how it's virtually the same power as front-wheel drive Camry......should sell very well in colder climates. Toyotajeff
Thanks for stopping by . We can't wait for for your videos on this model.
The comparison of different brands / models is exactly what I was looking for. Excellent!
My 2023 Camry SE awd gets between 32 and 34 mpg and the vehicle is not broken in yet.😊
Toyota's projections are correct, I'm sure. I live in Western ny & my local Nissan dealer stock on Altima's is about 60/40 AWD. Good move for Toyota, certainly won't hurt sales.
Alex your reviews are always clear and precise. You always seem to have the right information without being long and drawn out or irrelevant..
Alex rules!!
really a good news and big improvement.....good job Toyota and of course good job Alex as always
Subaru fan here but I would take this Camry over Legacy and Altima for an AWD sedan segment.
The long term reliability should be better with the Camry.
Best part. No CVT to worry about
You are no Subaru fan
Jim Bo I’ve owned ‘02 WRX Wagon, ‘06 Forester, ‘08 Outback, ‘13 Impreza I do consider myself a fan 😌
Jim Bo You don’t have to be stupidly blind to be a “fan”.
Would love to see an AWD-e Camry Hybrid soon. I'd also love it if Toyota would bring the 2.0L hybrid Corolla Hatchback to the US with AWD-e as well.
They can bring the eAWD 1.8 Hybrid Corolla wagon and sedan on the same ship that carries the FWD Hybrid sedan as they come from the same factory.
2.0l Corolla hybrid doesn'w have AWD anythere in the world.
@@sic22l You are right, I had not noticed the 2.0 reference.
@Right Lane Hog
1.8l hybrid Corolla doesn't have AWD either. It's exclusive to Prius.
@@sic22l Our Corolla Hybrid is made in Japan alongside eAWD Hybrid versions of the sedan and wagon. My information comes from Toyota's press release dated Sept 17, 2019. I am unclear about the hatch being sold with the eAWD system though there is certainly a FWD Hybrid hatch in Japan and Europe.
I get why everyone is begging for awd on the V6. You’d get a relatively powerful, indestructible, winter prepped vehicle. New ones seem to go for 32-35K and with the 1500 up charge for awd, you may be able to get one for under 35K. I think that a decent amount of people in my area would make that purchase, but not sure about nationally. So I have to assume Toyota wants to protect Lexus ES sales. Why get a ES when you could get a V6 Camry that’s not too far down the ladder
Some of the 4 cyl XSE Camry AWDs are mid 30s...i saw one that had an MSRP for 37k! V6 would be near 40k.
I drive a 4 year old 4 cylinder Camry. I find the power completely adequate for the size of the car
True and the new 4 cylinder is 10% more powerful than yours.
I have a 2005 Camry with 160hp and even fully loaded, with 5 people aboard, no problems.
Wish there was an e AWD Camry hybrid. Definitely would buy that.
In a country like the US, where gas prices are insanely cheap, it really shocks me that more people don't want the V6!
Depends on where you live. In coastal cities with dense populations, gas prices can be much higher than the national average.
@@iamthelaw69 Still, crazy cheap to me. We pay almost 6 bucks a gallon here in Korea.
I love V6. More power for me.
Its all about fuel economy and automation. The days of all power and torque is done.
@@abuelb Don't tell that to the American car makers! They're still in the middle of a horse power war! :)
You would think having an AWD Camry Hybrid system would be a top seller for Toyota? You can get the Camry Hybrid, you can get the Camry AWD, but no Camry Hybrid with the E-AWD system like the Rav4 hybrid. All the fuel mpg economy with added electronic motor rear axle traction. Substantial mpg gains there que no? Great reviews as always Alex.
Agreed. Completely Illogical on Toyota’s part…
The description says “Nissan Avalon” confused me for a bit.......
Edit: is fixed :-)
Waiting for that full drive review. Good job so far👍🏻
They should also give the Hybrid the e-AWD system.
Mgoblagulkablong
I would think about getting it then. Be nice
Pointless
@@lilpeppa117G mileage gains would be pretty substantial if they did.
Hey Alex. I would totally buy an E-Four AWD Camry Hybrid. I am not a fan of the Prius at all but that E-Four AWD system would so awesome.
Then why not get the Rav hybrid?
Alex looks like he's ready to go skiing/snowboarding right after filming the review. ⛷🏂
Alex, The Camry could be the Number 1 AWD sedan within a year. While the mpg numbers are disappointing, let's wait for real world testing as the Camry FWD 4 beats its official figures. An AWD Camry Hybrid certainly sounds like the next logical step for TMC to take. While Toyota is mixing and matching their TNGA powertrains, how about a #RAV4V6?
Right Lane Hog my v6 Camry real world gets impressive gas mileage. My trip computer says 27.2 mpg. But last fill up I did after cal to got 29.3mpg
@@naveenkrishnamurthy7576 That is why I am curious to see road tests. The FWD Camry 4 cylinder got 45 highway mpg in the Car & Driver test so the 34 mpg cited here seems very low.
Right Lane Hog there’s loss with the drivetrain because of AWD so it will cause more friction therefore lowering efficiency
@@naveenkrishnamurthy7576 My non-hybrid Crosstrek managed 46MPG+ on a tank, after I upgraded the air intake/filter. AWD doesn't have to kill MPG. The car is only rated for about 32MPG hwy.
I now have skidplates, taller AT tires, and a 2" hitch. It can still manage high 30s MPG on my commute.
Excellent review as always, Alex.
Loved mechanical AWD over electric AWD
The dealers pushed for the V6 Camry; with a 6% take rate that does not sound like smart business. Just proves dealers should not run car companies.
Bradley Cross More importantly, TH-cam watchers shouldn’t.
The Subaru Legacy has a 18.5-gal fuel tank and better gas mileage (+2). Camry will have probably 14.5-gal (on base model) or maybe the 16-gal tank if lucky... That's a 150-mile range difference or 16 more trips at the gas station per year under my current driving habits... Yeah you're right can't compare to the Subaru...
Not for nothing, but I enjoy your channel specifically because you avoid ridiculous TH-camisms like that gawdawful thumbnail.
Excellent review! You really do your homework on these cars.
Alex is the best.
Honda should make an Accord AWD with their ivtm4 system. This Toyota Camry AWD is awesome
I prefer mechanical AWD. Toyota's CEO said, "No more boring cars." It's good to see they're working toward that. Just wish there were big foglights, or actual brake cooling ducts, where this fake front "intakes" are.
This Camry is going to be on my next car I love all wheel drive like my Benz .
Did you buy it?
Funny that you say that about Subaru because my 2011 Legacy was recently stuck in icy snow and my wife went to floor it to try to get out of the spot. I saw all 4 tires spin freely for a few seconds (until TC attacked them and the engine cut the power), but the front wheels were spinning MUCH faster than the rears, without the car moving even an inch.
My 2005 Camry got out fairly easily, but it seems to have more ground clearance and better approach/departure angles. The new Camry’s clearance looks worse. The Legacy was stuck because it couldn’t get over the accumulated snow.
I've driven rental Altima and a Camry recently and OMG no comparison the Camry is awesome the Altima is a pile of garbage. My daily driver is a Kia Stinger GT1 and yeah Alex you are right not the same thing the Stinger is way more sporty. I was impressed with the handling of the Camry, but not in the same league as the Stinger. I wouldn't compare it to the Avalon either more comparable to BMW3 or Audi A4
I have the 2019 Altima SL AWD and it is surely not a "pile of garbage". The Altima will be thousands and thousands maybe $5000 or more cheaper than the Camry 🤣🤣🤣. Alex seems to have forgotten to mention that little fact under the watchful eyes of his Toyota pay masters
@@ABCD-eg5ky Hey son! Please give us an update in 3 years or 100k miles how you're going to invest 10k into your Altima. Everyone here knows Nissan CVT is junk just like their sales figures but you haven't figured that out.
@@warhmonger will do dummy. I still spent $5500 less than any other option after the killer deal I received. The vehicle is 100% awesome and you are a 100% garbage head with zero flexibility in your 80 IQ thinking. I'm surprised a moron such as yourself is not in prison yet. Unless you are just using your prison library privileges to hassle normal people on the internet. 🤣🤣🤣🐑🐑🐑
Veracity Alex already addressed the Nissan discount situation in his video on resale value. Why don’t you educate yourself instead of running your mouth online? You’d come across smarter.
@@afcgeo882 he didn't in this video because he is a sell out byatch. And you are a deceived sucker. The discount is impossible to turn down. Any long term repair I need to fix will easily be compensated by the discount and there won't be any problems until 200k miles just like every other vehicle I have owned in 40 years when I maintain it well. You Toyota fan boys are morons
MKS has been dead for years, you mean Lincoln MKZ and fusion are axed for the 2020 model year.
Finding it funny how that Camry standing in *snow* has a Texas plate 😂
Lots of Japanese cars have 4wd in Japan, it's just they are NOT sold elsewhere so people shouldn't be surprised. Toyota only moves if it sees a market.
I'm thinking you're going to hit the ski hills after filming this segment.
I hope they release ES300h AWD
This is a great great car. Better than most of those crappy under powered sub compact crossovers
What's Honda waiting for with bringing AWD back to the Accord?
Rob L. When did Accords have AWD?
@@afcgeo882 Honda accord use to offer AWD way back before your mom met your dad
A lot of taxi and Uber drivers will be happy about this news.
Binzy *nose
Will probably cut down some Rav4 sales.
I doubt it for taxi.
Taxi only use the lower trim, not the XSE , XSE is the expensive trim. By the way just like all the other car. Uber drivers use their own car , so they all don't drive Camry.
Jankuba Kromah First off, you can get AWD on LE, not just XSE. Second, many people in the US already own Camrys and in many places people buy cars for Uber specifically. By far, most Uber cars in New York City are Camrys.
Solid my 2018 RAV4 Hybrid 3 weeks ago in preparation for to get a 2020 Camry AWD. My dealership posted today that they're on route to Alaska. Not sure what trim I will get yet as the Toyota configurator isn't live but definitely Ruby Flare Pearl.
Legacy XT is *awesome*
my two cents... add the AWD with V6, it will be more enticing
It's a little bit late but better than never for Totota. I know some of my relatives just switched from Camry to Legacy in 2019.
It’s a rational decision for them to NOT add AWD 3.5V6 simply to save money. Admit it, people commenting here are NOT going to be the real buyers lol.
A math question: assuming adding same $1500 for either AWD or hybrid, how many miles can you get back a set of X-ice Xi3 with hybrid over awd from that 20 mpg gap?
Exactly, for almost everyone the 4 cylinder engine, with over 200hp, is more than enough power. Toyota knows that. Also, correct about the snow tires. My previous car was a Legacy. When my lease ended I leased a Hyundai sonata at much less per month & got Bridgestone blizzaks. Will make up the extra cost for tires & wheels about 8 months.
If there werent a suv craze, we’d never see all these new awd cars
i live in florida and bought the awd camry just for the color, everything thing else was black, white or silver
The description is not right
I am fairly confident of two things: 1. about 80 percent of people who pay for the v6 in a Camry would also pay for AWD over FWD 2. Toyota is well aware of 1.
I dont quite understand the big advantage of mechanical awd vs e-awd. Surely the biggest advantage of awd (in a sedan type application) is at slow speeds in slippery conditions. The torque of the electric motors would in most cases out muscle the ICE. So I think issue wouldn't be lack of power, but imbalance?
I can't believe there is no real discussion, except for a few comments in this section, on why in the world would Toyota put AWD option ONLY on their 4cyl models instead of the really powerful V6 models (301 HP). If AWD adds weight and better control (which those V6 models heavily need); costs more, and reduces fuel efficiencies, then why would they think folks who are buying the Toyota 4 cyl sedans want that in their vehicle? It defeats the purpose of buying a 4cyl - lower costs and higher fuel efficiency!
That thumbnail!!
Stop hanging out with those tfl guys.
Jk; they cool
He's taking lessons from Scotty.
They suck TFL is proof idiots can be successful if they keep trying
It offers worse MPG than the RAV-4? Then why buy this over a RAV-4? Unless you REALLY want a sedan... which is, of course, a legitimate reason but looking at the SUV craze, I'm not sure many people think that way... The RAV-4 is more practical (more cargo room), offers slightly better offroad performance with higher ground clearance and is easier to park (higher seating position and more compact except height). The Camry may have slightly better driving dynamics but it's by no means a sports sedan...
The mpg numbers were a bit shocking. Let's see what it gets in road tests.
I don't know, that thumbnail doesn't seem to go with this channel. When I see a thumbnail like that, I think of click bait videos like *What HAPPENS if you turn your car OFF at 50 mph!?!?!? **_GONE WRONG_*
Thank god they didn't just slap on a tablet for the infotainment screen. Like in the Avalon.
I don't know why, but as an "American" I'm started to cringe a little when people say "America" meaning the USA because I know much of the world doesn't like us saying that (since there are lots of countries in the Americas). I kind of wish TH-camrs would say "in the US".
Jeff Morse this is a valid point I never considered. A little eye opener for me!
I agree, though in the Automotive industry, North America is mostly a single market that’s very different from Central America, South America and the Caribbean.
New drinking game: take a shot every time Alex says "America".
Do this at your own risk
A great move for the Camry, but I honestly don't think Subaru is concerned.
Yes, they aren't concerned as Toyota owns a huge stake in Subaru.
A Yates More importantly, it’s controlling 20% stake. It’s one of the main reasons why they don’t share AWD technology.
Alex seems to be a Kia lover, detailed info on all videos. Love your reviews on Kia sorento's.
I live in a hilly area and see plenty of stuck and abandoned AWD vehicles when we get a rush hour snow storm. Most AWD systems actually do not have the ability to put enough torque to the rear wheels to push the vehicle up hill if the front wheels are slipping. A Subaru with a manual transmission is the exception. It has a true 50/50 power split all the time.
G Newman Boy... are you wrong on all accounts!
First off, you don’t need much torque to go up a hill. Front, rear or otherwise. You especially don’t need it on slippery surfaces. All that will do is make your wheels spin out. It’s why with a manual, you should start on 2nd gear in ice/snow, instead of 1st.
2. The manual Subaru is a default 50/50 split, but can go up to about 96% to either end, depending on slippage. So no, not “all the time”.
3. Almost every AWD vehicle can change into 50/50 torque distribution.
4. The reasons why you might see vehicles stuck in snow are primarily lack of traction (wrong tires for the condition), extreme conditions where no vehicle is safe, lack of ground clearance with snow drifts or a driver who simply didn’t feel it was safe enough to continue. It has nothing to do with any Subaru or other brand. Subarus aren’t magical. I’ve pulled many out of snow drifts and ditches.
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And yes you need torque to push or pull. The reason tractor trailers have diesel engines for the torque to get there wheels rolling. And as you can see from the video not all AWD systems can split power 50/50 or produce enough torque to the rear wheels to push a vehicle up an incline.
The 2020 nissan altima is also AWD
Until it comes in a wagon, I’m sticking with the rav4
Good point, if they can bring back the Camry AWD they can bring back the wagon too.
No V6, no sale for me. Such a shame as my AWD TLX is an amazing 6/10ths car- perfect for the daily grind. The V6 NEEDS AWD. They shouldn't sell it without it
future62 nah, you’re not the average customer it sounds like. This is perfect for 95% of potential Camry shoppers.
@@ALMX5DP I agree that this is a good move overall, just saying they should expand this to the V6 too.
future62 it would be cool if they offered it, but to say it needs it or they shouldn’t sell it without a V6 is a bit of a stretch.
If they would offer the AWD with the V6 they would expand their customer base to people who want the power and need/appreciate the traction. I’d buy one. If you turn off traction control on a V6 Camry, it just melts the tires on a launch... with AWD it would actually hook up & fly!
Brodi Wheeler very likely Toyota has done their market research. If they believed it could expand their sales/profit, they would. The reason we don’t see it is because it probably isn’t worth it.
Gorgeous color
Like the Altima looks and seats. This is probably more reliable though.
True, no turbo
Please no more thumbnails like this. You're too classy.
Disappointed no V6 welp going have to see what the Kia Optima does with its AWD and engine combination...
dredawg679 4cyl. Turbo with very little power advantage over this NA 4cyl.
@@brodiwheeler7583 idk if it's the new 2.5 turbo that Hyundai/Kia is dropping the numbers are said to be close to 300 hp so we'll see if that do that with AWD that would be amazing
dredawg679 It would be, we’ll just have to wait & see. I hope they do, and that forces Toyota to make a V6 AWD TRD CAMRY!
@@brodiwheeler7583 yes indeed
Should have kept foglights on Avalon and Camry..
“Camry brings back AWD!” Me: “interesting”
“Buuuuuut no AWD for V6 (specifically the TRD)“ Me: No longer interesting
Can't blame them tho, 6% of market share is probably not worth investing in
Kylo Solo thats 6% of 30%. That’s only 1.8%
Honestly. You were never interested either way.
Jay Mac No. Toyota said 6% of Camrys sold were V6s.
@@afcgeo882 yeah but thats FWD, now factor in how many would opt in for the AWD V6. Honestly more people who buy the v6 would opt in if it was an option. Reason people don't opt in for the v6 anymore is because for a few more bucks you can get into a luxury car. It's just not worth it.
I call BS on that take rate for a V6-AWD Camry. Yes, statistically less people buy the 6 cylinder but a V6-AWD Camry would steal even more sales from the Avalon and, what now should be obvious, the eventual AWD Lexus ES350. Making this version the 4 cylinder, is like Porsche refusing to put more power in the Cayman because it would make the 911 almost obsolete, except for the name.
Toyota does insane amounts of market research so I defer to them...
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Apologies, as its not that I think they don't know about their customer base, its just that an AWD Avalon has made sense to do for years, and they give it the 4 cylinder because "well, the take rate is low". That smells fishy
Maybe there will be an AWD Lexus ES with V6 next year.
The 8 speed auto is th e big difference. CVT isn’t as desirable. Agree that a 6 cylinder would have been nice. Most hybrids aren’t packaged with AWD. Must be something mechanical that is a stopper on that.
The "Nissan Avalon"?
oops.
We know it's a honest mistake Alex. 😃
20 YRS OF SUBARU OUTBACKS WITH 4 STUDDED WINTER TIRES: GOES EVERYWHERE AND GETS YOU HOME SAFELY!! (TOP SPEED: 55-60, NO STUDS LOST, LEAVES 4WD WAAAY BEHIND)
Marty and Doc Brown hit 88 miles per hour in a Camry 13:37
Wait... Nissan Avalon?
Oops
So the 2021 Optima GT comes with turbo and AWD.... Hm... Can we also expect Accord to jump into the AWD fray?
That might ignite mid-size sedan AWD war and I would love to see that happen
I want one of these!!!
I would buy one of these except the front seat bottoms are too short. They need a thigh extender. Can you pass that onto Toyota (Canada)? :)
I regularly send constructive criticism to Toyota Canada, feel free to join me.
Toyotas, and especially Camrys, are mainly designed for the US/Asia market and the average height is under 5’8. You will find longer seat cushions on cars that are designed for European sales where people are taller on average.
I wonder if they could just offer all V6 camry's with AWD as standard. Thereby making it a feature, instead of an option. It seems to me that V6 buyers are already having to pay for a fully loaded XLE/XSE so they wouldn't mind. But maybe some people are vehemently opposed to AWD?
Why are they killing on of the Blue colors? I have a 2013 Avalon. I bought it in February 2013 so the color line and Qi charging should have been available. I sure they were but my dealer screwup my order. Not uncommon and don't stand for it. Pay attention the the packages you pay for and make sure the dealer quote matches.
Toyota makes such reliable cars and then we have to buy them from questionable dealer. I was being nice on that last statement.
Not sure I understand the "Subaru AWD tuned for efficiency" comment. The Subaru runs 60/40 power split all the time, so the only thing it's tuned for is power-on understeer.
Ficon Because the Subaru has the more efficient CVT.
webcomment Legacy makes 25 fewer hp and employs a CVT to get the same EPA combined mpg as the Camry. It's not efficient, it's just one workaround on top of another.
Subaru'a AWD system hasn't done that kind of constant power split for a while.
Alex on Autos That's news to me Alex. Can you expand on this please? Specific AWD system function is generally something I really want to know because it has a big impact on traction but the information is very hard to come by. The "constantly adjusting" answer is a copout because most of the systems have a default torque split.
Nice review as always. Would’ve been better with the signature tight pants....
I thought an AWD should have a better 0-60 over a FWD, inspire of the 180 lbs additional weight. Why is this?
Finally Toyota learned something from Subaru...
Wrong.. Look at the sales number and it's Subaru that learns from Toyota.
Subaru is now a affiliate of Toyota's, Toyota now holds 20 percent of Subaru, up from 16 percent.
Okay Honda,YOUR MOVE???😈HYUNDAI!?!?!🙏🏾👏🏾😂
I think Honda fold and don't want to get involved in the AWD war! LOL
This is more expensive than the xse hybrid awd rav4 with better mpg?
The Rav is smaller and this has a mechanical AWD that’s a bit more capable, if you need that.
AWD will be 4-5 mpg less than FWD? Since FWD 4 cyl rated mpg is sheer fantasy (I get 22 average), the AWD will be able to compete on mpg with Chevy Tahoe.
Still bummed that Toyota couldn't offer a AWD v6.....oh well
2:00 The Camry sells in the 350k unit range per year.
Altima is right at 200k. Legacy more like 100k.
You're right for the Altima at 210k/year but the Legacy was at 35K for all of 2019 & 40K in 2018... If you include the Legacy station wagon aka the Outback, you can add 180k/year.
Legacy is way way way under 100K
In America!
I must have missed it in your explanation, but does this AWD system feature Dynamic Torque Vectoring?
Omar S he didn’t say if it has the dynamic torque vectoring AWD.
It has Toyotas standard AWD system aka Dynamic Active Torque Control. Something like that..
WarHmonger MATH Not Dynamic.
Brodi Wheeler He said it is the basic Active Torque Control system that’s on the regular Rav4.
George L I think it’s called Dynamic Torque Control AWD. Torque Vectoring rear Diff version is called Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD
I'm from Europe and I drove a Camry rental for 4000 miles on a trip last year.
I don't see the appeal. The interior creaks and rattles like hell. The transmission sometimes lugs the engine at 1100 RPM, other times it revs it to 5000 for absolutely no reason. The infotainment is terrible. And while it's practical (in terms of cargo room) for a sedan, just get a smaller wagon and be done with it. Also I had A LOT of luggage in the back and everyone flashed their high beams at me because I was blinding them. No height adjustment knob for the factory LED headlights. Absolute joke.
I had a camry. It made annoying rattling noises. Even the Toyota dealership couldn't find the source of the noise. Other than that, the car was reliable.
@@bird271828 I don't care how reliable it is if I can't drive it for 5 minutes without getting mad.
It's unfortunate because if Toyota bothered to make a good car and keep their reliability, they would have a huge winner.
I guess there are enough idiots out there because they are still winning.
You forgot the Impreza AWD
when u said FF cars can out handle AWD with winter tires.....buddy do you even live in Quebec Canada with 50cm snow?
You got it backwards. FWD with *winter tires* can out handle AWD cars with all seasons any day.
I'd choose the Altima AWD over this. It looks better and drives really well.
Look at description *Nissan Avalon*
The soon to be released redesigned KIA Optima will offer an AWD version.