The Ultimate M4 Sherman
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- The M4 Medium Tank, AKA the Sherman, is one of the most prolific tanks in the world. As such, there were a ton of experimental variants and test beds for it. So, what if you combined all of the best prototypes into a single vehicle?
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Oh god you just designed the next world of tanks premium tank.
@@thepulle4722 add some all black camo, and you're good to go.
Its is somewhat telling that exactly this was also the first thought I had after watching this.
at least it wouldnt be russian
@@pixellivesmatter8409 that would be the seperate black friday version
here are they,
0:37 M4E3 with A65 engine, crappy 75mm, good speed - tier 5 premium
1:50 M4-Pershing, good 90mm, big sluggish, poor armor, a poor man T26E3 Eagle 7 - tier 7 premium
2:33 M4-M41 Hybrid, high pen 76mm, thin turret armor, gameplay similar with to Strv 74 - tier 6 premium
2:52 M4-T49 Hybrid, good 90mm, thin turret armor - tier 6 or 7 premium
3:20 M4 with dual axis stabilizer, standard m4 with short 75, excellent gun handling - tier 5
3:51 Up-armored Sherman = M4A3E8 Thunderbolt, already in game
"Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should..."
Im pretty sure Jurassic Park has been mentioning that and giving good reason for that for literal decades
Germans should know this well too
Yes
Ahoy too
@@aguynamedstetchkov4690 Ahoy, lol
Also said in Transformers Age Of Extinction.
I thought it was pretty cool to imagine what the ultimate version of a Sherman would be
The Yugoslavians were able put a 122mm destroyer of a gun on the Sherman ...yes it was on Soviet naval destroyers and the same gun mounted on an IS2/3/4
It was only in prototype stage and was scraped
M51 super Sherman
Orks mounted a DEFF KANNON on da big red kustom Sherman!
Calliope time
The ultimate verison of the tiger #e75
I love experimental vehicle builds. Piecing components from various vehicles together into a new one. Even if it is not practical, it is super-duper cool.
Absolutely agree
The thought experiment is peetty much the description of some peototype works of german engineers in ww2.
Those ranged frome naval guns on tanks over wire guided AT missiles on Tiger 2s to Tiger 2 tanks having autoloading gun systems from CAS aircraft.
I'm more of a plane person than a tank person but the video was still very entertaining would be cool of someone did something similar with a plane
i have an even dumber thought experiment. what is the oldest tank hull that can use a modern turret?
and im only calling it that because you called it that. it was an awsome vid like always
The Germans fitted some Leopard 2 turrets to M48 Patton hulls back in the Cold war.
Probably the T-54. I remember coming across a T-55 (identical in most respects to a later T-54, except with NBC protection) that had been fitted with a T-90 turret once, as well as composite applique armour on the hull. Type 59s (basically Chinese copies of the T-54) can also accept Type 99 turrets, too.
i imagine a mark 1 tank with the turret of a patton m60 that would be scary
@@andrew2353 Pratically the Patton 2000.
Isn’t the Type 99 an indigenous modified T-72 or some other T-series tank?
Imagine just giving the US army an “Ultimate Sherman” and seeing what they had to say.
This honestly seems like you asked the Germans to make a Porsche Tiger, but with a Sherman instead. Cool, Probably Unreliable, and Impractical.
More like most if not all German war machines
yes
The marines would use that for over a century.
The Israelis and Chile made their Sherman firing HEAT and even APFSDS
@@darnit1944, Damn, makin' General Shepard proud. All they need is to burn down some Dixies.
“The M26 and M4 both had a turret ring diameter of 69 inches” ... N I C E
yup
Crossing fingers that'll you'll do a video on the Churchill tanks. A tank that should have been obsolete yet manages to bulldog it's way through the war by being such a robust design including the Crocodile and AVRE.
What about the Black Prince?
@@SilentDeath598 Eh, I guess since it's still a Churchill. But the emphasis is on the sucessful designs like the AVREs.
@@SilentDeath598 imagine if Churchill had bigger turret ring from the beginning and they could have just slap turret with 17 pounder on it?
He'll probably call it trash and simp for the Sherman. Cause y'know, apperantly no other nation has made a good tank in WW2.
@@KWyzel What gives you the notion that he only likes the Sherman series?
The Chilean Sherman with the 60mm HVMS would like a word.
It can fire APFSDS ffs
Depending on how far into post war we're allowed to go, I feel like the IMI-OTO 60mm would be a better choice for a gun. In a pershing turret for funsies, and to separate it from the real life super shermans.
Eh, the 60mm wouldn't be very good for anything more than AT, since its HE payload would be pretty lackluster. Perhaps the French 105 mounted in M51s would be better for more versatility.
@@bluntcabbage6042 could the 105 shoot darts? I know it was HEAT all day everyday back then.
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Interesting video idea, can you make something like this for the cold war era soviet tanks like the T-64 and T-72 that were upgraded extensively?
That's what the T-90 literally is to the T-72; it was also referred to as a T-72 variant for a while before the designation change. As for the T-64; look up the T-64 Bulat that the Ukranians made.
@@cnlbenmc what you are referring to is T-72BU which was later renamed to T-90.
yes
It’s funny as a southerner. My favorite tank is named after the most hated person in the south, William Tecumseh Sherman.
I bet you love the flamethrower variant.
True but just because you are from the south doesn't mean you have to hate him. Or an individual just the same way an American from the North doesn't have to hate Robert. E .LEE. But again it understandable that people wouldn't like either of these generals for various reasons. But its easy for me to make assumption as I live in Canada and well given that it was a civil war that we weren't involved in.
But hey tanks a tank though only tank not to like is the one always breaking down lol. Kinda like german late war panzers they looked powerful and sophisticated. But were prone to more break downs to do part shortages, complexity of the parts combined with general weight put on the suspension. And on top of that they need to have different tracks that were narrow so they could be transported to the front by train.
Also Interleaved road wheels I think was one the dumbest Ideas you could do for a tank. It meant if one wheel was broken you had to take layer of good wheels of the tracks to get at the broken wheel. Also just bad for collecting mud and when the mud freezes in the winter time you can't go anywhere any time soon. It had some pros i guess for a smoother ride maybe and to keep some solid objects like wood out that could jam up the wheels to.
But I didn't always like the Sherman but it proved to be a very versatile combat vehicle ranging from multi role to specialized. Also the simple wheel and bolted on suspension design was more efficient. And if the Sherman's had problems they had a surplus of parts meaning they were quick fixes which gave it the edge of something like Tiger 1 sure it was imposing but it only worked 40 to 50 percent of time and when it did break down it was time consuming and temper mental beast. It also happened to be very fuel hungry to deny fuel for other panzers that would need it to.
I know this just on the ultimate sherman but even the most basic sherman was a good and smart tank design although 1 sherman might not be that threatening like a lone Tiger tank but a column of 10 of them supporting an infantry advance now we start see that its force not underestimate.
I know it was long reply but explaining why I like it to. Sure it may not have infamy like the Tiger and Panther tanks but it was workhorse tank that got the job done when it was needed.
Drew Thatcher I will admit. I respect Sherman for respecting the Confederate Army during his march through Georgia
Sherman was a fucking chad.
The US Army's version of Bomber Harris.
Do you think for a "is it practical" video you could discuss the implications of drop troopers, such as ODST's, as well as the armor they wear? It seems to be metal p[late, as well as a full face visor.
Their armor is actually a hardsuit, capable of 15 minutes of EVA activity from an internal tank of air. This also makes it fully sealed against biological or toxicological contaminants groundside, for the same 15 minutes. The extra plate on the front is just additional armor made of titanium and ceramic materials. The rest of the suit is also armored, but the area the additional plate is for is y'know, where your vital organs are, and so gets extra love. Plus its the largest area of your body, so hopefully will catch a bullet and prevent your suit from depressurizing when you get shot in space.
@@Abdukctkaz but is launching a man like a bullet to the enemy practical and won’t cause a casualty if they hit a non flat angle? Biggest problem I see is that there is no steering with it which means if you land in the middle of a platoon, tough shit you’re going to face overwhelming odds
I really enjoyed this video. Just looking at a tank and saying, hey, what is the absolute best this tank can be, is a very fun and interesting idea. Id honestly love for this to become a series.
I’d love to see one of these about the Panther or Panzer IV. Imagine that Pz IV Schmalturm proposal with whatever other kooky ideas they had.
He'll just trash it, cause its German; cause "lol bad transmission, German tank is poopoo"
@@KWyzel yeah,he does that a lot and then says people are natinalists
I need this Sherman II in war Thunder, right HECKING *NOW!*
Imagen what br this would go to
But Sherman 2 is in war thunder
It'll be a German premium and be at 5.7.
If it's American it'll be 7.7.
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This was a really cool video! Learning about putting an M26 turret on an M4 really shocked me actually! The whole video did really.
The Chrysler multi bank engine was put in 5,000 M4A4 Sherman tanks produced between June 1942 and November 1943 which were all sold to the British and Canadian Armies where they served in North Africa, Italy, and Europe. Many of these were upgraded with the 17 pounder gun which had the greatest armour penetration of any tank gun used in WWII. After VE Day, many M4A4s were sold to Chang Kai Chek who used them against the communists in China. After losing the civil war, about thirty of these tanks were evacuated to Taiwan.
Looks like you called it about the M4/T26 variant
Now that I know the M41 and Sherman turret rings are the same diameter, I kind of want to see an M41 with the Sherman 76mm turret. It would probably make for a great light tank in War Thunder, solving the M41's main problem, lackluster damage. And the pen decrease would necessitate a drop in battle rating, perhaps down to 5.3 or 5.7.
Honestly post war, heavily modified Sherman’s are some of the coolest lookin vehicles out there imo.
Nice video!
Warthunder could combine it all and call it a "Sherman V.2" and send it up against the Panther II- the poster child for ahistorical tanks that combines unrelated experimental and blueprint improvements into one 'super' fantasy tank.
Number crunching aside if you get someone to put the vehicle into a visual reference....or make a rough sketch of the final product. Keep up the goodwork spooks really cool "what if".
2:15
Classical example of why the Tiger 1 H should not be 5.3 at the same BR as the M4A2(76). Immagine if that player would use his brain instead of his luck to angle his armor that way.
@Hans Blitzkrieg He shouldn't have been blind in the first place.
I'd like to see more videos like this. I encourage you to do more thought experiments with fictional tank variants!
The ultimate Sherman was the Chilean
M-60 Sherman (M-50 with 60mm HVMS Gun) that was used till 2003.
The casual nature of how you picked that Tiger apart at 2:15 while he was desperately trying to angle his armour. lol gottem
I too love shermans. Grew up collecting models of the M4 and M1.
If i learned anything the M4 and its variants were good tanks at what they did. They did there job well with what equipment they had AND who needs those upgrades anyway when M4's work well on there own.
Are we going to talk about him just dominating in the background gameplay
You have to make a video "Everything wrong with" about the fast and furious 6 tank and the 1st Transformers movie tank, its called devastator if im not wrong
nice job man, well thought out.. i can tell you love the sherman... i have been playing WT since its beta along with WOT for 10 years
You're going to love Sprocket.
I have my own ideas for a version of the M4 more in keeping with my own tastes. Wider hull and driveshaft running straight along the bottom, which means you can drop the turret basket down lower, which means the turret ring is level with the engine deck making for a considerably lower silhouette (and incidentally less wonky top heavy proportions). Wider tracks as standard even with VVSS. And a high velocity gun, because while you can shoot two high explosive shells if the first didn't finish the job, chances are the second armour piercing shell isn't going to make it through the armour if the first one didn't.
Basically I want a miniature Panther.
Well, I never feel like wasting my time on your videos, even "dumb" experiments
I'll be honest, i liked this video, it's like what World of Tanks developers think when making a new tank, just strap parts of others on it and make it premium, except in this one at least all of them are actually mount-able and could (maybe) work
Sure would be cool to have a WW2-era tank game where you can swap loadouts between similar versions, each part having pro's and con's.
As a fan of the heavy tank concept I have my own "ultimate Sherman" it's literally just the M4A3E2 with HVSS suspension and the 17 pounder
Lol same, but with the 76 instead.
@@wylandnares8642 either or would be fine tbh
@@CoffeebeanG618 yeah, but I chose the 76 because it had more versatility, and had a filler round
Thing could pen 200mm of armour, this thing coulda been an early MBT killer
I like how WT and other realistic tank MMO games made us somewhat professional tank historians.
this was interesting i must say... its cool because I didn't realize the M4, t26 and the M-41 and T-49 had the same turret ring diameter... its alwase cool to learn something new thanks spook keep it up mate
"The turret ring is 69 inches."
Me: Nice.
3:32 *VIBE CHECK*
I would love to see more of videos of you looking how to improve different vehicles, really nice video
You can treat this series as making second video on fixed tanks of GLA in C&C Generals. As realistically their Marauder tanks would be scrapped T-54/55, M48/60, Centurions fitted with salvaged armaments of their replacements while Scorpions would be mixes of AMX-12, M41, PT-76 and so on. With upgrades to both being extra armor akin to T-55 Enigma, north korean MANPAD racks, ATGM on the turret, more machine guns, rocket pod taken from a helicopter, modern radios and commercially available versions of night and thermal vision and optics.
Really liked this video and as a fan of the M4 as well it was full of information i didn't know.
The tank that manage to outlive it counterparts in military service.
That what i described M4 Sherman.
I love this experiment. In all honesty. I love the Shermans and I do wish Gaijin add some actually unique and existing Sherman variants, like the Super Sherman or the Sherman with the bolted on armor as shown in the video. These would be nice to have.
If that happens then gaijin must bring back KT 105MM and panther 2
I now have a video to use as ammunition (wet storage too) whenever someone trots out the tired “well if they rushed the experimental stuff into the front it coulda changed something!”
A Jumbo with a 17-pounder.
Change my mind.
I thought this was going to be about either the M-50/51 Israeli Shermans or the M-60 Sherman in Chilean use. Still a cool video so I'm not going to complain.
I love upgrades for old vehicles like what has been done with the shermans, M60s and any number of older soviet tanks.
The 90mm armed M36 Jackson TD was already in theater. The new M26 Pershing tank was coming with a 90mm. The Germans were running out of production, ammo, and fuel to operate their their tanks. From a logistical view up gunning the M4 series beyond the 76mm M4E8 easy eight was redundant. I’m sure American tankers in Europe wouldn’t have agreed about that but the powers that back in CONUS decided no
Literally the level of customization I've always wanted in any vehicular combat based game, whether it be to the detriment of the vehicle or not. Any and all components available for use.
Like in the Mechwarrior series?
That's probably about the closest I've ever gotten. Even in the original mechs were pretty customizable although I don't think you could put a heavy torso on a light set of legs or anything like that.
Basically, even if putting a weak engine into a vehicle has a negative effect or downside, as long as it fits I'd like to be able to do it rather than being locked into a limited number of parts according to a tree. Let me have my Frankentank.
Now this is a content worth watching for _!_
The A65 also had another benefit being mostly aluminum. It saved several hundred lbs in weight
IS-7 hull, KV-2 turret, and a long barreled 152mm gun, the ultimate meme.
I love conversations like these. I've had equally technical arguments on placing a 75mm L/46 PaK 40 into a T-34 Model 1942 and 75mm KwK 40 L/43 into a Panzer III Ausf L (WoT players and more well-versed tank historians will recognize the planned Ausf K variant of the Panzer III, but this proposal was different) was well as up-gunning the Pz. 38(t) with a 5cm turret from the Puma, among others.
None the these technical discussions amounted to anything that would have ever been considered practical for service in a lot of instances considering the alternatives, but it was never a waste from the "possibility" aspect. The hunt was always if it was possible, practicality was of secondary concern and generally considered by me to be a nuisance to the discussion.
The M60 Sherman is the ultimate Sherman.
Bruh when you killed that half-track with the AT gun on it it made me so happy. Hate those things with a burning passion.
You forget about 60mm hvg (known from AUBL/74 HVG in game), mounted by Israel Forces that had apfsds-t, which was able to penetrate frontal armor of T-62 from more than 1900 meters
there are actual models of shermans with 105mm royal ordnance canon called super sherman
Overall you did a decent job with designing the perfect sherman variant but you forgot one major peice of information. The sherman tank was exported in large numbers to most of America's allies during and after ww2, and some of these nations came up with their own improvements to the sherman. The last major upgrade any sherman got was in the 1960s when Israel upgunned 180 of their Sherman's with a then state of the art French 105mm gun enabling them to destroy any tank in the world at the time. In addition these tanks also had diesel engines instead of gasoline ones which improved their survivability since diesel is less flammable than gas.
It was a video about the sherman that is never a waste of time.
The Sherman was quite the engineering marvel. Reliable. Good Armament. Pretty good Armor,especially since they had to go across the Atlantic and Europe. Most people call it bad but they’re comparing it against German Big Cats,Not Panzers.
I'm surprised you didn't go into the planned improvements outlined in R.P. Hunnicutt's book, given that you showed pages for it. Hunniccut gives line drawings and cites work done by Ordnance to upgrade the tank with a welded RHA turret, cut-down hull, and other streamlining improvements.
Don't forget, the Sherman also had been given to multiple nations as well
You know what would be fun? Mounting a Sheridan turret on a Jumbo Sherman
“So what was the point in all this? I really have no clue” same.
a game where you could do this to your tanks would be pretty cool i bet
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Good idea and some solid points. Though in my opinion the ultimate Sherman would be either the Israeli M51 or the Chilean super shermans. Both had better engines and more powerful guns with the Israeli's 105mm cannon and the Chilean 60mm hypervelocity gun.
Here's an idea, take the M51 Sherman to the extreme.
-Turret of the M46 but with an L7 105mm gun magically squeezed in it and an extended rear compartment for some safe ammo stowage (with blowout panels of course)
-Hull of the M4A2E4 for those sweet torsion bars but with the bow gunner position removed for armored fuel tanks
-Replace the engine with a Sonny 1000 cubic inch motor which produces 2100 horse power, after some "slight" modifications to the engine bay of course.
-slap a CITV on the turret along with the basic modernization package of a laser warning system, hard kill APS, a remote weapon station, etc.
-finally, take a look at the bastardized monstrosity and cover that fucker in all kinds of ERA/NERA along with cage armor around the rear of the turret and hull and don't stop until it looks like the Challenger 2's adopted step child.
Oh and give it some kind of track extensions to lower the ground pressure and a bunch of smoke dischargers.
Well, seing the fact that the M4 Sherman was somehow underpowered, it should also noted that the 5 synchronized engine climbing up the power to 650 gross Hp wasn't really easy for maintenance, which was a reason why this tank wasn't really official in the US forces, as the french did recieved those tank, and did noticed the engine maintenance difficulties due to its configuration, but about installing a 90mm gun would require to rework the scale of the tank to keep the gravity center balanced, or it could have trouble in mobility, especially extending the lenght and adding new wheel would help about that. But there could also another modification to do in order to make it more viable, and it is reducing his height, or redesigning the height to make it more balanced, in exchange of replacing the turret little more at the back to keep the vehicle balanced and able to use a 90mm canon. But the Sherman was unfortunatly a dead end concept, because his shape wasn't procurring enough protection coming from the frontal hull plate, which wasn't very angled unlike the T-34 and even unlike the Panther, the US heavy tank prototype T32 prooved to be more suited for combat in term of protection, especially for the T32E1 variant. The Sherman did his job done, but whatever you put on it, it would more or less, making it no longer a Sherman, because his hull to increase his protection, need a redesign in terms of angle, and I'm not counting the lengh extension. The US weren't logic to not add component that could had helped their next generation tanks, especially with gun stabilizers, in which except for prototype, there were no more gun stabilized tank after the Sherman, until came the M60A1 AOS and the M551, which was a great mistake, especially that their design were bulky, not very practical, unlike the british tanks, sure it could help for the comfort, but not the survivability, also making there armor less effective than others nations tanks, especially comparing a M60 with a AMX-30, the latter is smaller, making his armor more effective, he was also smaller than the Leopard 1, making it 1 of the most effective NATO tank. But the problem of the US Engineering, it's the fact that some of their component prooved to be somehow unreliable, or even not working at all, making tank project costier and slower to progress, and even if some prototype prooved to work, they aren't accepted due to the incompatibility with the army doctrines, which is a product breaker opinion, but unfortunatly, something understandable.
Great video. Big fan of these original video ideas.
The Israelis did mount large guns on the Shermans designated M51(nicknamed Ishermans or Super Shermans). Has a 105 cannon. Can fight t54/55/62's.
Everybody gangsta when the sherman has 100mm cannon
Spookston you should’ve mentioned the M-60 Sherman which is a Chilean Sherman with a 60mm high velocity cannon with some modern update or upgrades
Hey Spook I loved the vid, I hope you do more like it. It could be a series where you put together ultimate tanks with all thier best parts. It was a great thought experiment to see what the M4 could have become.
Ultimate M4 Sherman: Coming soon to Italian + Chinese Ground Forces!
Superb video!
2:00 nice (that's why it's called the ultimate Sherman.
2:25 rare footage of a tiger angling
I think an easy eight with a range finder would be the ideal sherman. Perhaps even with the better engine and torsion bars.
What about the guns used on those Shermans used by Chile? They used 60mm HVMS capable of firing APFSDS rounds.
I'm all down for just a compilation of you shitting on people with the Sherman.
Very cool thought experiment, but I was hoping there was going to be a drawing/rendering at the end.
You forgot about the 60mm HVG that is already used in the event AUBL/74, which can basically fire APFSDS
Ah yes my very first fav tank now the ultimate killing machine
i think the ultimate sherman would be the jumbo with the upgraded engine and transmission, with the m46 turret, 90mm single axis stabilizer, and the hull and side of another sherman.
Hey Spookston. Wondering if you could make a video discussing the pros and cons, both in terms of performance and manufacturing capability, of welded armor vs. cast armor and if cast armor still has a place on the modern battlefield?
That double kill though O_O
Mount a m26 turret on a sherman jumbo, give it torsion bar suspension, and use the engine and transmission for your ultimate sherman. Done, now call it a day
I want to see what this ultimate Sherman would look like.
This is actually really interesting. Its an interesting idea for another vid just looking at what-if tanks. Or even looking at real tanks whos design process makes you go "what in gods name were they thinking"
Great video, and very fun to imagine the ultimate Sherman! Thank you!!
As the best engine you could also have mentioned the huey turbine that the japanese installed on the m4a3e8 (as testbed, but still)
The ultimate Sherman is a 76 HVATG with only Ma Duces and no .30 cals, .50 cal co-ax, .50 cal hull mount, and obviously a .50 cal in the pintle mount
It wasn't a dumb thought experiment. The M4 Sherman was an awesome Tank, the greatest Medium Tank ever. This was simply trying to improve on what was already an amazing Tank.
This was a pretty cool video, though I'm surprised you didn't do anything with post war versions of the tank, like M-50/51/60.
Perhaps you could do a video about those?
I guess he was only looking at the parts available in 1945?
2 years from now we'll see this as a rank 4 BR 5.7 premium tank