You see, as an Indonesian myself, I completely understand. And no, I am straight, I just don't prefer to have a relationship yet or maybe ever. Although I only know two people so far who aren't straight. One of em is my elementary school friend. Indonesia is a country with many cultures, you may see on television on how we have so many tolerances towards each others. But if you live in the society, it's different. I've seen people like him before, being an outcast and stuff, disowned by their own parents. Although I love Indonesia, it pains me to say I don't like the people much. So many self-proclaimed religious folks, but hating and judging one another. It's sad really.
Apparently, based on from the views of dominant society, religion has major and minor influence of an individuals decisions and choices. You could say that religion could be an excuse if one's preference is influenced by belief.
Maybe thats why there is a reason for you to join religion or not even joining any religion, beside the one who decide its yourself not me Im muslim kiddos from indonesia
Yes, Indonesia is a conservative country. Most people here cant accept LGBT. For those of you who said indonesia is still far behind than the developed countries, not accepting LGBT is not the sole reason for you to say “thats why indonesia is a third country”. There are more factors than that, and remember even though your country is more developed than mine, each country still has its own weaknesess just like people. No country is perfect. And also, our values are different than yours. You may think that your values is right, but it may not be right for us.
@@ragdollbunniii6181 lol. people are constantly being shamed and ridiculed for their "accent" just because it doesn't fit the standard, which is probably the american or british accent.
As a Muslim Indonesian I feel bad for him, sure I'm not supposed to be ok with the LGBT+ Community. But he's just like everyone else, a human. He's not hurting anyone, so let him be
Ann Sears yeah....millenial in this country have more open minded... Just like any other youth generation in lots of countries, some of us think that way... Even if it doesnt match our personal believe, i wouldn't make fun him or anyone that doesnt harm others ...
@@konohaempire Lol yeah dude. Those liberals talks a lot about freedom of speech but when they don't agree with it, they call the opposing as hate person, racist or phobic of something, bunch of hypocrites indeed.
@@marcomahardika5133 those liberals not the one killing, droping and behead others who have diffrent point of view like you homophobic do to lgbt and others whose dont want to follow your religion Doctrine
Ive met an Indonesian here in the Philippines. One time that we hangout, he hold my hand and cried. He said it was his first time holding a man’s hand. We kissed and it felt surreal. He flew back to Indonesia and never heard of him again. It was like a short dream.
True. Many things changed drastically since 2016 :(. I feel like the Indonesia I know when I was growing up is so much different compare to today. It become less.... diverse. Suddenly, everything is about religion. Every politian use religion as a tactic, public figures use religion to gain sympathy, goods use halal certificate for most random things (imagine a refrigerator has halal certificate -__-. It's not like if someone put pork in there, then it's become halal food right?) etc. I feel like sometimes, everybody's forget the true essences of the religion itself.
i'm totally with u! everything's about religion, primordialism and etnoscentric ideologies its so scary sometimes. especially since were in a politic election era.. somehow it felt like people are tricking this bad time as an advantage for their own purposes
Indonesian has become a lot more corrupted that I think it makes sense if someone says that Indonesian will become no more in 2030. - Net neutrality - Politics - Religion - LGBT - Friendliness I think Indonesian have one of the best place for vacation, but not so much for living.
Yes, because religion is the root of basic moral. What do you mean as a tactic? Is it wrong that they practice their religion? What is wrong is when they use the name of the religion but didn't actually practice it.
i'm a muslim and an indonesian but i'm not a homophobic because i know, their sexuality is not a choice. i don't like it when people hating the others just because their sexuality is different.
@@fikrihbro normal atau engga, kamu TIDAK punya hak untuk menghakimi mereka ataupun throwing hate ke mereka. Kalau kamu tidak mendukung lgbt, yah sudah biarin aja mereka mau jadi apa, ngapain peduliin urusan orang? Focus on yourself dude
Well written. I don't get why someone's love interest means so much to STRANGERS. All these people who judge and hate people for basically having their own preference need to chill.
Reminds me of my homophobic classmates throughout school. I am not part of lgbtq but they don't deserve to be treated so lowly like that. It was made me realized my old standards and judgement is not 100% right and i'm still figuring out a lot of things.
Fun fact : Indonesia also have LGBTQ story movie called "Arisan" this movie released in 2001. And the story is about the become truth to yourself and coming out if you are a LGBT. lol
Indonesia.... As i can see it,Is a very based on religion especially to this thing.... Because islam is not that accepting about this thing especially on the history of luth AS... So indonesian is really fast to judge other really fast,just because of the religion Gua milih bahasa inggris karena gua tau, ada beberapa hal yang akan gua bilang salah dalam bahasa indonesia tersendiri
@@novankurniadi180 as i see it,basic ly thats almost all of indonesian reason to not accepting lgbt. Like you know lucinta luna case.... She get bullied basicly by the internet and indonesian who is not accepting..... If probably lucinta luna move to maybe amerika... She will probably get defend by the people there
Remember guys, religion never make you blind of humanity A person who truly walk on their religion's path will not mock him, hate him, or oppress him. But they will respect his decision. Because honestly, I believe all religion taught about respecting others. Don't just be human, but be human with humanity
@@andriansubianto2213 nah, I'm a Muslim to and I have friends from different religion and they'd always remind me to pray. It's just that some people misunderstood their religion lesson and disrespect others.
@@clearesta_luna8565 i always remind my friend when its time to pray in mahgrib time (cmiiw) we used to play games togather around 5pm-9pm ,im a non muslim, everything is about tolerancy, right?
As someone straight and also an indonesian i don't exactly *promote* lgbtq+ but like I don't care if you're part of them too. You do you, to each their own, and so on. Sad that the majority of people don't have that same basic decency towards them.
May I ask how you feel about laws protecting lgbtq people from discriminations? do you think this is something a law needs to be made for or something left for individuals to decide how they want to treat them, even if it's differently/unfairly due to their identity? (You don't have to answer if it's uncomfortable btw, i don't wanna put you on the spot)
@@marinmazer It's ok! I don't mind answering. Honestly, I feel like it should have been enough with the human rights law we have in Indonesia, but since most people seem to disregard that law's existence when it comes to lgbtq+ people, new laws to protect them might be necessary at least to punish those who discriminate lgbtq+ person. I certainly wouldn't oppose it if it is to be made, but with the situation in my country as it is right now, I honestly don't think our government here will make it happen. Moreover, even if it was made there is also no guarantee that the discrimination will stop. It's sad, but most Indonesians (especially the older generations) are pretty close-minded and stubborn, unwilling to accept that time is changing.
@@rei1200 Thanks for an honest answer. I don't know much about Indonesia, but in the US many people think laws protecting against discrimination are "special privileges" and I was wondering if this is a common feeling in other countries as well. (don't worry, I'm not gonna extrapolate on your answer for the entire country of Indonesia, but it's still nice to have an actual answer from someone from there). Have a nice day, random stranger :)
@@marinmazer That's such a sad way of thinking :( If it gave lgbtq people the same rights of no discrimination as straight people then it isn't "special privileges" at all, is it? I thought US is a lot more accepting of lgbtq than ID but it seems that there's still a lot to improve over there too. I hope our countries will be more accepting in the near future! You have a nice day as well, marinmazer :)
As an Indonesian Muslim, I have no problem with LGBT people. I never see them as "not normal" nor "special". I always see them as normal human being who are just like anyone else.
I'm not LGBTQI, but I got love and support from my LGBTQI friends in Indonesia. A lot of them are asking question like "Do you still love and accept me for who I am?" I answered " of course boo, why you asking a dumb question like that?" and they told me the truth and ended up crying. I embraced them with all my heart. They don't ask much, they just wanna be heard and be respected like any other people. To this dude right here, you keep on believing yourself and be yourself. You're not alone. I got your back boo, Point Blank PERIOD! 💖
@@cipiiiyaaa1299 Tuhanku gak perlu disembah, Dia ada di dalam diriku, mencintai tanpa syarat dan bersifat universal. Bukan tuhan buatan manusia yang suka menghukum bagian dirinya sendiri dan suka mengajab. Memang yang namanya orang mabok dogma agama akalnya sudah mati gara2 ayat buatan. Lebih baik jadi spiritualis daripada jadi orang hina macam kau yang gak punya nilai kemanusiaan. Dasar umat bar bar. Perek laknat.
When he lamented about his bf's hobby, I smiled because it's something so human and normal. Sometimes when we see an LGBT person, that's all we see. But actually, they are just normal ppl like us.
I noticed that too. And that's cute, how he complained of his bf. Funny how society tends to label people but... yeah, they are pretty much the same with us. Nothing different.
Well, not untill you change your religion, have different political view, marry someone from different religion and being part of lgbt. But that happens when you're only Indonesian. If you're Foreigner, they don't care unless you brought that up.
My Cousin convert from Moslem to Christian because she marrying a Christian man, but my big family still support n respect her n her husband no matter what their religion. Even when in Eid Mubarak moment, sometimes their hosting a celebration and invite us (their Moslem family) in their home to sharing happines n apologize each other in that moment (called silahturahmi or halal bi halal in Indonesian tradition). That's what we Indonesian People called "Bhineka Tunggal Ika", Unity in Diversity 😊
@@adamantobserver8655 gini loh maksudnya dinegara kita ada banyak orang cuma pasti ada aja yang ga punya sifat prikemanusiaan kebanyakan pada hakim sendiri :")
@@steffichan lagian juga percuma kalo gk main hakim sendiri, kalo aparat yg nangkap trus hukumannya tidak setimpal kan sama saja. Contohnya tikus berdasi hehe.
I am a Spanish guy living in Belgium and in a long distance relationship with a wonderful guy that lives in Indonesia. I am planning on visitting him next summer but I am a bit afraid. How much danger are for both of us when we walk in the street? Can they arrest us just for being there? Is it dangerous that we hold our hands or kiss in public? And what about i the airport? I need to be well informed before going to Indonesia (btw, we will be staying in an RB&B appartment in Jakarta or Bandung, not sure yet).
Hagane Elric You will not get arrested. But i recommend you to not kiss in the public because most Indonesian can’t accept LGBT yet. People will look at you in disgust or even judge you. Anyway, hopes you & your bf stay safe in Indonesia!!
@@cateatinrat78 Thankfully it is still going. I couldn't manage to go visit him last summer, but I could help him with the visa and he came to Belgium in Christmas. We spend the best 12 days of our life. The next step is to bring him definitely here, which I guess it's not easy.
I feel so sorry for him. I could never comprehend the idea of his siblings kicking him out of the house just because he’s ‘different’?! It really infuriates and saddens me because I have a little brother myself. I would never ostracize my own family. The world is already a hard place, if your own family can’t accept you, who would? But I’m so glad that he found someone. His boyfriend is very lovely.
@@chargemankent if they believe in what I believe then that's not true. My believe never told me to kick your family out of the house if they're 'different' i will accept them no matter what.
@@zekkrn9739 Tuhan gak pernah melarang ataupun membenci lgbt, kalian kelompok mabuk agama penuh kebencian yg membenci lgbt dan melarangnya sebagaimana kalian mrmbenci dan melarang yg berbeda keyakinan dan kepercayaan dengan kalian
Here in Indonesia religion doesn't allow us to accept LGBTQ+ but I don't recall ever been taught about bullying others for being "sinners". They're still human smh
@@berbersaljoker3497 kenapa hancur? Klau org dri awalnya straight ya nggak akan berubah kok. Demikian klau org yang nggak trans, mau ketemu 1000 org trans didunia ini, ngopi tiap hari bareng mereka juga nggak akan bikin org itu trans. Terus hancurnya dimana? Dengan nggak membenci dan nggak bikin org ngerasa benci sama diri sendiri, apanya yang salah?
As indonesian as human, i know everyone have different opinion and perspective, but i just have no idea why everyone judge so much on everything, let them be their self, be happy because we cant choose how we were born, its just ourself
oh hey yeah im open minded !! so im okay to all the new idea that being a hot topic in social media !! yeah im so open minded and progressive!! that im progressing to the regressed state of humanity !! cool !!
@@Random-du4et tbh, homoseksual dlm agama itu sering disalahtafsirkan. Cth agama melarang pedofilia tp malah ditafsirkan sebagai homoseksual. Entah siapa yg awal mulanya pnya tafsiran kyk bgtu dan turun temurun 🤦🏻♂️
It's disgusting at how many people in my countries keep judging each other based on religion. Why can't people just at least RESPECT each other. I'm sick of this abuse. ~from a bisexual indonesian
Their being homophobic and mabuk agama are the main reason why we cannot respect indonesia and the indonesian people (especially the homophobic religious people), at all!!!
It’s so sad how Abrahamic religions ruins everything. Indonesia was once a diverse country with a predominantly Hindu-Buddhist culture. After Islam arrived, this is what happened. Everything is about hatred, intolerance and violence.
It really is depend on the people, I'm an atheist but most of my Muslim friends really care about loving each other and forgiving each other, but theres also a Kaboom boi making kaboom in front of the church
As an indonesian + a muslim, as long as they don't disturb me I won't disturb them or judge on them. They're just a human living their own life. I have some few friends that aren't straight and they're pretty kind to me. I don't support or like them but I don't hate them either, I accept them as humans :)
As a young teen,a bisexuel,still in the closet and lives in indonesia i always feal like if i tell the peopel who are close to me that im bisexuel they will just push me away and think that im sick or its just a phase and the internet is actuely helping me to just be open to other peopel about me being bi and that im valid in anyway,it is hard to be a part of the lgbtq+ community especialy in indonesia i just hope that peopel here will just accept us for who we are
Bro gw juga ateis cuman takut dibenci di Indonesia. Tapi mungkin masih lebih ditoleransi karena cuman kepercayaan.Intinya tetap semangat jalani kehidupan Broo👍👍
@@nazteee8769 Im an Lgbtq Indonesian and a Convert to Christianity . Technically being LGBTQ is not against indonesia Bcs its Not against the Constitution. Bcs there is Still some Religions that Are not against the LGBTQ community Like for example Hindus and Buddhists. But Widespread Judgements are still seen.
As an Indonesian who lives in a religious environment, I can agree. People are always using their religion so they wouldn't get backlash from it. Political and famous individuals uses their religion in a way to not get backlash from it, to make themselves always look righteous. They say "We're diverse, but we are one.", yet look how they treat the LGBT Community. Truly a Great hypocrite.
@@elioabelle9388 eyy I'm Abelle too! But about your comment it kinda hurts.. In a way because we are Indonesian and it's hard to leave this beautiful country even tho some may think its people are homophobic or open minded and accepting. It would be better to say "I hope Indonesia can and will accept the LGBTQ+ community and not disrespect them". By that saying it'll give more positives to LGBTQ+ Indonesians here
This is why I never come out to my parents. Being able to accept yourself and accept the fact that I'm not straight is already hard enough. I'm an Indonesian. I grow up and I study at a Catholic school or environment. I am not Muslim. Being a minority in the country is already hard enough, and you can imagine feeling so small because I have different sexuality. I have always been silent about it. It wasn't easy figuring it out especially when no one can explain and help you. At least no one in your environment. And once you find out about it, you need to learn to accept it. That's when the depression kicks in. That guy survived. What about those who committed suicide because of this?
Iya kak rasanya udah kayak mau mati aja. Ak come out ke keluarga klau ak 'bukan perempuan' dan bener2 di tolak mati matian. Rasanya sakit banget. Ak sampe binggung akhirnya, apa ak bnr2 trans? Ak ngerasa ak bener2 trans, tapi kenapa jadi trans rasanya sakit bngt? Ak nggk ngerti kak rasanya sakit bngt. Gimana caranya kita survive ya tanpa terus terusan sembunyi dan nolak diri sendiri kyk gini? Ak pgn bngt join komunitas tapi nggak ketemu. Apa kk punya? Klo punya kali aja bisa sharing :(
same but more obscure minority (I'm agnostic and I'm not straight and I used to be Muslim ) yup I won't even consider to come out,even in family or friends gatherings I always pretend to pray (salah)
I'm a Saudi Arabian and the struggle that we face in Muslim countries just for being who we are is extremely huge and we find ourselves constantly fighting for the simplest rights and that's just horrible I'm out of words I just lost my faith in humanity I'm not trying to play the victim role but what's happing for us is extremely inhumanity.
We're minorities here... If the situation never changed, there's 3 options.. hide in closet forever, hookups or hiding our relationship, n going overseas
I’m a korean canadian living in Indonesia. The majority of local Indonesians are definitely very homophobic bc of their strong Islamic backgrounds. I go to an international highschool, and the people in my school+ other international/intercultural schools are much more open minded (they watch jeffree, james charles etc). It’s very interesting for me to see such difference between locals who live in regular indo neighborhoods compared to more posh neighborhoods. One thing I’m sure of, A LOTTTTT of indo teens love KPOP and I’m positive that it’s affecting their views on LGBT (kpop group’s normally provide fanservice w/ the members and their fans would ship them). If the local teens here slowly become more and more open minded from the influence of kpop, I think the future of lgbt acceptance for the youth of indonesia is looking alright.
Yes, it's a process and everything thing takes time, it's the younger generations that will change the collective beliefs or perspective towards sexuality. Maybe in 10 years from now, 20 years... So those of you who are struggling with your sexuality, jusy hold on to dear life, there's a lot of things to celebrate, friendship, love, beauty and soul connection who just get you.
As an Indonesian, I feel like people judge a lot based on their views... they even build communities and riots for something they “didn’t like”. Like it’s not bothering your life and not everything should be according to religious beliefs, some people just don’t trust it and it’s fine.
Lu ngomongin agama mulu😀 Padahal mereka itu butuh edukasi bagaimana kembali jatuh cinta ke lawan jenis bukan sesama jenis😷ini malah di dukung hadehhh goblokkk asuu asuuu
I don't think it's a crime at all? It's my personal opinion though, so chill yourself out. If you have something negative to say just keep it to yourself, it's better than hurting other's feelings. I'm Indonesian and I'm straight, but I never despise people who are LGBT. I respect them, it's their own life after all. I mean, it's not harming us at all! They're being themselves and they're happy. All we need is to support them, If I ever had a friend who is LGBT, I won't mock them or anything. I'll support them and keep on being their friend. Spread love, not hate. ♡
All hearts go to this guy, Bisexual teen aswell, Im actually surprised that everyone (Students) in my school altough it is party dedicated to religion, Is surprisingly tolerant towards me, Actually made some funny harmless jokes about it.
As an Indonesian, it pains me to say that this homophobia only gets worse when one goes to online platforms. Nearly all Indonesian videos mentioning 'LGBT' are littered with comments saying things like 'the LGBT community should be treated more badly than animals' or 'more than 80% of the members of Indonesia's LGBT community suffers from homophobia, we should make it a 100%'. Living as an LGBT individual in Indonesia is already brutal, so imagine what it must feel like to be an Indonesian LGBT netizen.
@@buttxrontoast-7100 agreed... Glad there's still people who is accepting and open minded in Indonesia here, like you. And I'm a Muslim Indonesian... But i don't care anymore. I'm a LGBT Muslim.
I agree with you, I'm also an Indonesia LGBT... I hate how society nowadays are closed minded. And that's one of the reason why i lose hope in humanity.
@@KuroosRoosterHairhat should mean youre no longer muslim... yet until you act upon it. Actually you still can be be but dont expect your prayers would be accepted.
@@KuroosRoosterHair wth lgbt muslim? What kind of muslim is that?? I bet you never read al quran, or you never understand what you read in quran. You can't be a muslim and lgbt, islam is never support lgbt. Sepertinya ke islaman anda patut dipertanyakan...
As an Indonesian, I said that in reality Indonesian is well open minded to lgbt , and we are okay with that. But, in internet somehow you will read some troll who pretend to be Indonesian or really the toxic one. U know internet, nameless poeple can say randomly. Orang Indonesia itu mudah digiring kok opininya, sangat mudah. Tingkat pendidikan yg gak seberapa menjadi faktornya.
Terima emang. Asal jgn ngelakuin kegiatan non-muslim kalo di ktp tulisan masih beragama Islam, ubah aja. Biar di bumi ini Islam jadi mayoritas, agama satu2nya yang beranak di bumi. Cape jadi minoritas mulu di negara mayoritas non-muslim.
@@bcoveplmene9791 bukan, open minded itu berpikir secara terbuka tentang mereka atau apapun itu, kalau lu terlalu open minded ke lgbt mau apa dunia ini?
As an indonesian, and a CHILD it really hurts to be in the lgbt community because some might say, " kamu terlau muda untuk tau " and yes, i am young tetapi aku tidak buta bahwa aku bisexual, biromantic, dan bigender. Im also afraid of what will happen if my family found out, especially my dad. I love them so much to let them go and everytime i draw lgbt my dad usually finds out and says " Kamu suka cewek? " and i would make up a lame excuse and he would believe it. So this is why it's hard especially me being a child, my religion, the people who care abt you, and being the only lgbt person in the whole entire school, well except the Asexuals that are there uwu
Your father asking that means that he might alr figured out of your true personality, sexuality. Be honest with him. Becoz you cant forever lie to yourself
Ayahmu hanya berusaha menjalankan keyakinan agamanya, ayahmu meyakini sesuai ajaran agamanya, bahwa ajaran Tuhan yang kamu langgar maka akan menjadi tanggung jawabnya pula. Semoga Tuhan memberi petunjuk padamu.
as an Indonesian who is absolutely fine with other peoples sexuality, it's disturbing. Because i know this is true. In Indonesia, the majority of the people here are Islamic. And i am not saying Islamics are evil and they are all bad like this, (PLEASE CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG) but i have heard that for them, liking the same gender as your own is wrong. Again, i have nothing against Islamic. Indonesia is beautiful, but the people? not so much
Well I will tell one thing about this. INDONESIA is NOT MUSLIM country. I am Indonesian and I am straight, but I do feel bad to these people who are struggling for their own right. Remember that Indonesia is Pancasila which one of it said " social justice for all the people of Indonesia". And as well that I am telling u I'm Muslim too, but this is not about religion. This is about our own right. People have their own right to who they wanna be. I feel bad for these people because they being fear to live in their own home country. This shouldn't their business to judge these people who have intrested in the same gender.
@Zaki Youssef dude..i said they didnt touch the muslim's nerve not saying he doesnt has the nerve or the gut...so no conflict of interest.. Jangan ngegas baca dulu
@Zaki Youssef Zaki Youssef conflict of interest remember? They will go along their way as long as they cater the muslim's wants and if they dont do so then their weapon is their religion. Oh geez. We are sampling from ahok here and it may not be the same for you but this is how i see politic in Indonesia which really is a let down for minority here. When ahok reign, public's sympathy were slowly gained any many felt threaten, he was the epitome of minorities face as much as we wants a justice and equality religion always become a highest point here. "I Dont like this!" "Why?" "BCAUSE MY ALLAH SAID SO! EVERTHING IN QUR'AN IS RIGHT!" then how are we can debate that?. So respect that sis
@Zaki Youssef yupp he is wiser and not so controversial ..so? That is who he is , not everyone can be a carbon copy of him Then if someone is less wise and controversial then they are to blame? I think no
I feel bad for him of having such terrible siblings.. And he shouldn't listen to them who mocked him! Gain power of ur own, and just ignore the siblings.. I'm also a single, 28y/o never date anyone (almost); bcz I choose to I know people said bad things, behind my back (and sometimes in my face), but they know nothing. I choose what I choose and I take risk that I can bear; the one who taste the fruit is me anyway
how about, no, youre the one who know nothing. yeah, choose whatever you want, but dont come whining and crying afterwards, thats what makes people irritated.
@@rafaelmaleakhilumbanbatu9873 I'm sorry, what??? Which one showed me that I'm whinning and crying? U don't see my point here,, people accused him something based on his own one choice Surely I know nothing, but I know how to ignore people's judgement over something they barely know And if u are irritated abt my words, u don't have to respond my post Simple
@@fp_ilovelies2351 yeah i said "you" in my statement before, I stand corrected, i should clearly addressed the lgbt here, not you as the individual. I get your point, my point is, lgbt shouldnt whining and crying about the consequences of their "CHOICE"
@@rafaelmaleakhilumbanbatu9873 Agreed then Thanks for clarifying I consider myself as a non-Homophobic, but I wouldn't go support them either. I simply disagree with their choice of life, I'm not hating the person.. People should at least considering others' thoughts and emotions before judging, bcz we never know what happened under the cover And this man should be at least grateful that there's no such regulation against LGBTQ in Indonesia (as I know). He "just" need to bear of not being free to express his love in the public And I think, expressing Love in the public isn't necessary actually, even between man-woman..
Discrimination against the LGBT is *not* an inherent part of Indonesian culture. That's the influence of (recent) radicalized Islamic doctrine, and Islam does not represent the entirety of Indonesia, nor does every single Indonesian Muslim prescribe to such hateful ideologies. Our national motto is "Unity in Diversity," so, no - homophobia is not a natural part of our culture.
I understand that LGBT is not a desease and never was. Back when I was- nvm it is still currently, people in Indonesia still hate, disrespect the LGBT community even I was too. But now I understand that mocking and disrespecting the LGBT community will just bring more hate to me and it's wrong too to disrespect a community in my culture and religion. So in conclusion, I do not support LGBT but I still see them as human being, I don't want to disrespect nor mock them as long as they don't disturb my culture or religion (but it's actually the otherwise for my friends ngl lol).
How about we say WE DON'T SUPPORT INDONESIANS but we don't mock them coz indonesians are humans, are you feel offended as an indonesian when we tell you that WE DON'T SUPPORT INDONESIANS?
It's way more disgusting seeing the comments from the people outside Indonesian country judging how Indonesian value. If you don't know anything about Indonesian people and their culture, at least you should know a little before judging Indonesia.
I've experienced homophobia due to being in a religious school and I will say this one hits home. I do hope people realize that no matter what, we are all still human and we need to understand that the neglect and hate will no improve anything but show that society is just a battlefield.
really sorry that he lives in fear, i'm in the same situation as him too, indonesian people when they know you're different, they're gonna judges you. brutally attacking your mental health, imagine hating someone just because having differents ways of happiness and be themselves. fighting for their righteous, life is so cruel
in Indonesia we have our own ideology and prespectives that keeps us on the track. In my opinion LGBT don't match with that ideology ,But it doesn't mean that we hate them , we just have different opinion on that issues. but again it's just my opinion ,take it easy.
I assume the "ideology" you're talking is Pancasila, but in Pancasila, Chapter 5 it says "Keadilan Sosial Bagi Seluruh Rakyat Indonesia" which literally means Social Justice for All Indonesians, I don't think bashing, discriminating and banning LGBT is a Social Justice.
@@zaki4418 but,LGBT is exactly against the sila #1. Ketuhanan Yang Maha Esa. Indonesian lives a life based on religion. And..,for sure,LGBT could ruined "tatanan sosial" which is relating with sila #5
Indonesia is a country deeply tied with culture, tradition and religion. While not as extreme as some other countries that incorporate religious law above all, most people are not open-minded at all whether they want to admit it or not. Let's say, if someone converts to another religion or marries a person with a different ethnic group background, their family will snap, doesn't matter if that person is fully an adult or not. Of course, this is not the case with every Indonesian family out there, but yeah.
i've always want to come to an lgbt event or at least part of a lgbt activity, but as time goes by, this certain community getting louder with their fear of lgbt (they are scary- and judgemntal), it seems like it will never happen-
Thank you for sharing your situation. You're very brave. Try to focus on the positive and get out of the situation if possible. You sound very smart and resourceful.
Indonesians are not disgusting for not accepting the LGBT community. They simply grew up with those values and beliefs with influences from their parents, friends , religion and many others. I don’t think it’s ok to hate and basically view them as not human but I don’t think their disgusting for thinking the things they’ve just been told everyday for their whole lives.
I think it’s fine to have their opinion, but saying that they shouldn’t have rights is disgusting. No matter how you view someone, they have a life, they deserve their life. No one is born hateful, no matter what environment
Don't use Indon, it's derogatory, often used by Malaysians & Singaporeans to mock Indonesians because a lot of Indonesians go there to work as maids, low class workers, and manual workers, fancy ways to say "PEMBANTU"
I met a lot of indonesian people that have an opinion like 'we dont really agree with LGBTQ community,but we dont hate them,let them be" and truthfully,these people are majority in indonesia especially in big cities BUT, they are silence. Unfortunately,the people that have narrow minded talk louder,so in the end these people look like they're representing a whole country,and maybe they succeded.
I come out little old when I 21 but I never date with a boy before at all even now I still don't have any attraction with man. I know who I am. I mom absolutely accept it and proud of me, the problem is just like this Indonesian don't accept lgbt people at all no future.one day human will get old and die I don't want wasting my life in country make me not happy and pressure. So my plan for my future is moving to a country more freedom and accepted LGBT country just like make a move that can make my life have amazing
@@ataxwibisono8095 gw jg orang Indonesia. Sebutin sini mana hukum yg menyatakan LGBT itu ilegal di sini! Di sini gak legal dan jg legal dan tidak dikriminalisasi jg! Negara ini gak pnya problem sm LGBT cm mindset masyrakatnya yg terbelakang dan kurang terdidik utk memperlakukan org berdasarkan orientasi seksualnya! Ignorant!
@@brokenvibes2360 sini ane kasih solusi terbaik... Loe kasih nih video ke aparat penegak hukum supaya open minded.... Ane cuma rakyat biasa gk punya kekuatan apa2... Soalnya ane juga kasihan ada yang sampe ditangkap satpol PP sama di rukyah lagi.... Duit berlebih monggo tinggal yang negaranya aman... Contoh : Kanada... Ane bukan kontra cuma kasihan aja...
as an Indonesian, bisexual person this rings so true for me and it's why I will never come out to anyone except the peers I know that's actually in the community because my life is in danger. Everytime I like someone the same gender as me I have to question myself whether I want to shoulder the burden of living in fear all the time and being shunned by the whole world. It's just a sad reality living in conservative country.
@@tp5487 maaf cerita nih gan dulu ane pernah kenalan sama orang di ig, terus kita chat-chatan terus nih. nah terus dia cerita kalo dia bisex, tapi ane terima aja lah dan masih mau temenan ama dia. ane tanya2 kok bisa jadi begitu. tiba2 dia makin ganas dan malah ngirimin gambar tidak senonoh. untuk ngatasi hal beginian gimana gan. edit : aku 100% straight
As an Indonesian my self, i never accept the consept of LGBT, not because the religion reason, but in realistic way, when whole country population is LGBT and don't having a child, It will decrease number of country population and the impact is we will faced low fertility like what happened in eruopean and east asian country, and at the end, the govt will imported some 3rd world country immigrant and considered what happened in europe caused by immigrant, i hate that gonna happen so i never accept the consept of LGBT
@@okok-cx8lo gue ga langsung bilang bakal ujug2 bakal menurun skrg juga, tapi gue bakal bilang bakal terjadi 40-50 tahun mendatang, untuk sekarang tren angka kelahiran Indonesia setiap tahun menunjukan angka penurunan, untuk sekarang mungkin bagus, tapi di masa depan gimana? 2060 populasi Indonesia diproyeksikan minus seperti yg skrg terjadi di negara dunia pertama kek Korea, Jepang atau Uni Eropa, kalau skrg LGBT dikasi tempat di Indonesia, di masa depan Indonesia bakal struggle buat naikin angka kelahiran biar stabil, trus endingnya apa? Ya lu tau sendiri import manusia dari negara² timur tengah atau Afrika
@@debudasatriawibawa9405 lu pikir negara yang lu sebut itu yang lu claim bakal mengurang populasi nya karena mereka nge legalin lgbt? Dan bukan karena kekurangan universal health care? Atau karena income inequality? Gak ush ngawur ngab
@@okok-cx8lo kliatan gimana otak lu gagal nangkep omongan gue, di negara yg gue sebutin diatas justru punya sistem health care terbaik di dunia, yg gue bilang, negara tersebut udah struggle buat naikin jumlah kelahiran gara2 penduduknya ogah punya anak, malah legalin LGBT yg justru makin memperparah keadaan, gue ga bilang LGBT faktor utama, ngerti kaga sih lu? Endingnya mereka buka pintu imigrasi impor Manusia dari timur tengah & Afrika biar roda perekonomian bisa berjalan, tapi imigran malah buat rusuh disono
@@okok-cx8lo bayangin negara lu ekonominya mulai mandek kekurangan tenaga kerja gara2 penduduk lu ogah punya anak, alih² nyari solusi malah legalin LGBT yg makin buat keadaan parah, negara lu endingnya mutusin buat impor imigran yg malah buat rusuh negara lu, Western Europe is doomed
Me a Muslim and Indonesian : i don't care what people say, is their opinion and they okay with it and they are not killing or anything, they are still humans
yes.. I am in a muslim school and my friends hates me because I respect and tolerate, let me repeat that for you. Respect and tolerate, not support the lgbt community. Like how homophobic can my friends be?
Its just eastern culture has Nothing to do with Islam or any religion, me myself is Indonesian also non muslim, but lgbt in Indonesia still considered as a taboo and not normal.
It has everything to do with Islam. In a lot of culture back then, lgbt was generally accepted throughout SEA. Situation changed for Malaysia and Indonesia. Thailand on the other hand, is still lgbt-friendly. So yes it has everything to do with Islam.
You see, as an Indonesian myself, I completely understand. And no, I am straight, I just don't prefer to have a relationship yet or maybe ever. Although I only know two people so far who aren't straight. One of em is my elementary school friend. Indonesia is a country with many cultures, you may see on television on how we have so many tolerances towards each others. But if you live in the society, it's different. I've seen people like him before, being an outcast and stuff, disowned by their own parents. Although I love Indonesia, it pains me to say I don't like the people much. So many self-proclaimed religious folks, but hating and judging one another. It's sad really.
Рэнди Рубан I wish I could change all of Indonesian to be you. Billions of you.
Indonesia need more people like you
Woah your name really looks like Indonesia
@@natherinz3650 oh, yeah. I'm learning Russian. Tapi seriusan, gue beneran Indo.
Hahahaha slow aja per carcaya kok gw, apa daya orang Indo masih begini
Religion is never an excuse to bring hatred.
I strongly agree.
Apparently, based on from the views of dominant society, religion has major and minor influence of an individuals decisions and choices. You could say that religion could be an excuse if one's preference is influenced by belief.
And yet it was, is and it always will be...
Maybe thats why there is a reason for you to join religion or not even joining any religion, beside the one who decide its yourself not me
Im muslim kiddos from indonesia
Religion is always an excuse for anti semites, homophobes, xenophobes, racism and unnecessary killings, like Hamas bombings and honor killings.
Yes, Indonesia is a conservative country. Most people here cant accept LGBT. For those of you who said indonesia is still far behind than the developed countries, not accepting LGBT is not the sole reason for you to say “thats why indonesia is a third country”. There are more factors than that, and remember even though your country is more developed than mine, each country still has its own weaknesess just like people. No country is perfect.
And also, our values are different than yours. You may think that your values is right, but it may not be right for us.
What you said is perfect. No one except the people of the country has a right to whether accept LGBT or deny it.
Yeah, it's very very very subjective. Depends on what's your prespective on certain subject.
Is denying and discriminating a human for their basic characteristics a VaLUe oF InDoNEsIa? No wonder why...
@@Daughter-of-Palestine Denying someone for how they were born isn't humane. It only born and spread hate.
@@pcvgm how they were born? Yeah right. Read what she just said okay. Stop pushing your way of thinking onto us.
He gets bullied because he dosen't have girlfriend when he was 16?
Me who's in 21 and single since birth: 👁️👄👁️
Me who 23: 👁️👄👁️
Me: 23 and single
@@yamcha8309 yeah lol
@@yamcha8309 yup i got peer presured to play cod mobile and mobile legends
24 here
The accent is really indonesian. It’s unique
Terrible one. Eh?
I mean, what do you expect from an Indonesian?
@@ragdollbunniii6181 lol. people are constantly being shamed and ridiculed for their "accent" just because it doesn't fit the standard, which is probably the american or british accent.
Day Larissa i guess i can agree. At least the person can speak English fluently
I think his mother tongue is javanese language, that's why he got this accent
As a Muslim Indonesian I feel bad for him, sure I'm not supposed to be ok with the LGBT+ Community. But he's just like everyone else, a human. He's not hurting anyone, so let him be
seriously ?
True
www.google.com/amp/s/www.voaindonesia.com/amp/4711830.html... Ditangkap LGBT... Wkwkw
Ann Sears yeah....millenial in this country have more open minded... Just like any other youth generation in lots of countries, some of us think that way... Even if it doesnt match our personal believe, i wouldn't make fun him or anyone that doesnt harm others ...
@@aiya5777 yep
Mostly indonesian like to judge other people and think that they are the most righteous person in the world
Sounds like a freedom of expression to me.
@@konohaempire Lol yeah dude. Those liberals talks a lot about freedom of speech but when they don't agree with it, they call the opposing as hate person, racist or phobic of something, bunch of hypocrites indeed.
@@marcomahardika5133 yup
@@marcomahardika5133 those liberals not the one killing, droping and behead others who have diffrent point of view like you homophobic do to lgbt and others whose dont want to follow your religion Doctrine
@@reyviewchannel97 they dont behead LGBT lul.... Beheading can only be done if you killed someone.
1:1 even.
LGBTQ+ Community not fight for "Freedom" here but there fight for "human rights". That was the Hardest part for living here.
I think they are fighting for their human rights to get their individual freedom.
Ive met an Indonesian here in the Philippines. One time that we hangout, he hold my hand and cried. He said it was his first time holding a man’s hand. We kissed and it felt surreal. He flew back to Indonesia and never heard of him again. It was like a short dream.
U should have told him to stay with u
no
@@fumino. y not
Wow... just wow.. It sounds like something that could happen in a movie
Hello there, up until now ba wala kaparin update sakanya?
It’s lovely that his boyfriend still stuck with him. I hope they’re doing we’ll right now.
*well
Sure they will
@M Robbani Ilham really? May i ask for a source?
@M Robbani Ilham how did you know??
@M Robbani Ilham adopted kids?
True. Many things changed drastically since 2016 :(. I feel like the Indonesia I know when I was growing up is so much different compare to today. It become less.... diverse. Suddenly, everything is about religion. Every politian use religion as a tactic, public figures use religion to gain sympathy, goods use halal certificate for most random things (imagine a refrigerator has halal certificate -__-. It's not like if someone put pork in there, then it's become halal food right?) etc. I feel like sometimes, everybody's forget the true essences of the religion itself.
i'm totally with u! everything's about religion, primordialism and etnoscentric ideologies its so scary sometimes. especially since were in a politic election era.. somehow it felt like people are tricking this bad time as an advantage for their own purposes
Indonesian has become a lot more corrupted that I think it makes sense if someone says that Indonesian will become no more in 2030.
- Net neutrality
- Politics
- Religion
- LGBT
- Friendliness
I think Indonesian have one of the best place for vacation, but not so much for living.
Yes, because religion is the root of basic moral. What do you mean as a tactic? Is it wrong that they practice their religion? What is wrong is when they use the name of the religion but didn't actually practice it.
Contoh nya adalah pemilu tahun ini
Indonesia bahkan bukan negara islam smgh -_-
As someone from indonesia its disgusting how people judge each other in this country.
this is my opinion.
U also judging us ? So what's the different ??
@@ariaghani176 savage
@@ariaghani176
People like you who are just a bully, who likes to oppress the minority, kinda deserve it.
aria ghani RIP ENGLISH
Asshhiiaaaaap
i'm a muslim and an indonesian but i'm not a homophobic because i know, their sexuality is not a choice. i don't like it when people hating the others just because their sexuality is different.
Not based, remember to what happen to Lut.AS wife?
@@jefinathariwirza6578 i'm not hating them but it doesn't mean i support them. i choose not to hate them because they are human too.
Jan anggep lgbt ini normal
@@fikrihbro maksudnya?
@@fikrihbro normal atau engga, kamu TIDAK punya hak untuk menghakimi mereka ataupun throwing hate ke mereka. Kalau kamu tidak mendukung lgbt, yah sudah biarin aja mereka mau jadi apa, ngapain peduliin urusan orang? Focus on yourself dude
I like how we pretend that denying people the same rights that you enjoy counts as an "opinion" HAHAHA
So on point.
Islam is the problem.
@@MrOssyMoro no
@@MrOssyMoro no not really.
@@MrOssyMoro Malaysian here,I have to say no as the trio above me
All these perverts, so obsessed about other people’s bedroom habits... Live and let live.
Cheryl I why is that so hard for some people to understand
Well written. I don't get why someone's love interest means so much to STRANGERS. All these people who judge and hate people for basically having their own preference need to chill.
@Ubah Dunia you forgot kemanusiaan yg adil dan beradab and keadilan bagi seluruh rakyat indonesia and persatuan indonesia 😁👍
@Ubah Dunia You dont have to follow the LGBTQ Community, but dont mocking or insulting them if they are innocents.
Somebody said LGBTQ+ against Pancasila while the 5th Principles is: "Social justice for the whole of the people of Indonesia"
Reminds me of my homophobic classmates throughout school. I am not part of lgbtq but they don't deserve to be treated so lowly like that. It was made me realized my old standards and judgement is not 100% right and i'm still figuring out a lot of things.
Fun fact : Indonesia also have LGBTQ story movie called "Arisan" this movie released in 2001. And the story is about the become truth to yourself and coming out if you are a LGBT. lol
I cant find it, do you have a link to a video with it??
@@Colarikal i watch in on Netflix Indonesia, or maybe u can search on Netflix generally or search on torrent which like pahe(dot)ph
Arisan like...that one party middle aged women would go to and gossip?.. Wait..Oh...
main arisan yu
thankyou kageyama!!
I have a friend Indonesian Transgender. He's currently living in Philippines. His parents doesn't want him. They cut him off more than like 4 years.
Bcz of religion
Yeah no wonder why
@@ahmadfarizm3946 🤣
i support..
For the parents.
the parents has right, why is bother you?
he has choice, and his parent has choice.
Based parents, hope i can be like them someday
Anti boleh tapi jangan dibenci dan dibully, mereka juga sesama manusia sama kayak kita
Trueeee
Agree
Indonesia.... As i can see it,Is a very based on religion especially to this thing.... Because islam is not that accepting about this thing especially on the history of luth AS... So indonesian is really fast to judge other really fast,just because of the religion
Gua milih bahasa inggris karena gua tau, ada beberapa hal yang akan gua bilang salah dalam bahasa indonesia tersendiri
@@Sannnwich is it only islam not accepting LGBT?
@@novankurniadi180 as i see it,basic ly thats almost all of indonesian reason to not accepting lgbt. Like you know lucinta luna case.... She get bullied basicly by the internet and indonesian who is not accepting..... If probably lucinta luna move to maybe amerika... She will probably get defend by the people there
Remember guys, religion never make you blind of humanity
A person who truly walk on their religion's path will not mock him, hate him, or oppress him. But they will respect his decision. Because honestly, I believe all religion taught about respecting others. Don't just be human, but be human with humanity
Not all religion, only Islam
Agree with this👏🏼
@@andriansubianto2213 nah, I'm a Muslim to and I have friends from different religion and they'd always remind me to pray. It's just that some people misunderstood their religion lesson and disrespect others.
@@clearesta_luna8565 i always remind my friend when its time to pray in mahgrib time (cmiiw) we used to play games togather around 5pm-9pm ,im a non muslim, everything is about tolerancy, right?
@@acehoss1713 she's / he's lucky to have a friend like you. And yep, it's about tolerance with others
As someone straight and also an indonesian i don't exactly *promote* lgbtq+ but like I don't care if you're part of them too. You do you, to each their own, and so on. Sad that the majority of people don't have that same basic decency towards them.
Agreed.
They can do whatever they want as long as they don't effect me or anyone I know.
May I ask how you feel about laws protecting lgbtq people from discriminations? do you think this is something a law needs to be made for or something left for individuals to decide how they want to treat them, even if it's differently/unfairly due to their identity? (You don't have to answer if it's uncomfortable btw, i don't wanna put you on the spot)
@@marinmazer It's ok! I don't mind answering.
Honestly, I feel like it should have been enough with the human rights law we have in Indonesia, but since most people seem to disregard that law's existence when it comes to lgbtq+ people, new laws to protect them might be necessary at least to punish those who discriminate lgbtq+ person. I certainly wouldn't oppose it if it is to be made, but with the situation in my country as it is right now, I honestly don't think our government here will make it happen. Moreover, even if it was made there is also no guarantee that the discrimination will stop. It's sad, but most Indonesians (especially the older generations) are pretty close-minded and stubborn, unwilling to accept that time is changing.
@@rei1200 Thanks for an honest answer. I don't know much about Indonesia, but in the US many people think laws protecting against discrimination are "special privileges" and I was wondering if this is a common feeling in other countries as well. (don't worry, I'm not gonna extrapolate on your answer for the entire country of Indonesia, but it's still nice to have an actual answer from someone from there). Have a nice day, random stranger :)
@@marinmazer That's such a sad way of thinking :( If it gave lgbtq people the same rights of no discrimination as straight people then it isn't "special privileges" at all, is it? I thought US is a lot more accepting of lgbtq than ID but it seems that there's still a lot to improve over there too. I hope our countries will be more accepting in the near future! You have a nice day as well, marinmazer :)
As an Indonesian Muslim, I have no problem with LGBT people. I never see them as "not normal" nor "special". I always see them as normal human being who are just like anyone else.
In other words, neutral
@@wafvlelo1296 Yes.
U are cool my dood!
Yes i do too
I mean. They are human? They are just a bone covered with flesh and skin that need blood as oil. Both of us have the same operator itself
I'm not LGBTQI, but I got love and support from my LGBTQI friends in Indonesia. A lot of them are asking question like "Do you still love and accept me for who I am?" I answered " of course boo, why you asking a dumb question like that?" and they told me the truth and ended up crying. I embraced them with all my heart. They don't ask much, they just wanna be heard and be respected like any other people.
To this dude right here, you keep on believing yourself and be yourself. You're not alone. I got your back boo, Point Blank PERIOD! 💖
cipiii yaaa Nope
cipiii yaaa we’ll be happy if ur out of this country sis
@@tjokrosadyatinggil5898 HEI MANUSIA LAKNAT TIDAK BERTUHAN HAK APA KAU LARANG AKU!
@@tjokrosadyatinggil5898 Tuhan mana yang kau sembah?! ngegas amat dr tadi kenapa elu malu jadi LGBT?
@@cipiiiyaaa1299 Tuhanku gak perlu disembah, Dia ada di dalam diriku, mencintai tanpa syarat dan bersifat universal. Bukan tuhan buatan manusia yang suka menghukum bagian dirinya sendiri dan suka mengajab. Memang yang namanya orang mabok dogma agama akalnya sudah mati gara2 ayat buatan. Lebih baik jadi spiritualis daripada jadi orang hina macam kau yang gak punya nilai kemanusiaan. Dasar umat bar bar. Perek laknat.
When he lamented about his bf's hobby, I smiled because it's something so human and normal. Sometimes when we see an LGBT person, that's all we see. But actually, they are just normal ppl like us.
I noticed that too. And that's cute, how he complained of his bf. Funny how society tends to label people but... yeah, they are pretty much the same with us. Nothing different.
Yeah exactly, they're nomal ppl just like us straight folks and they just wanted to be treated like everyone else... is that too much to ask??
Ain't nothing normal about 2 dudes sleeping improperly
@@Rck-vert well not normal isnt necessarily bad.
@@chasecake1683 cannibalism?
All I can get is his boyfriend love him that much
And all i can get for this time i love you that much
#lovewins
Mr Gold if thats disgusting then christ, what are you.
@Zaki Youssef what are u? Only got 2 brain cells left? You clearly don't get the content...go finish your elementary school first.
@Zaki Youssef also, only losers that edited their own comment
I have been to Indonesia and all I found is friendly people and beautiful culture.
Love and respect to Indonesia from India.
Well, not untill you change your religion, have different political view, marry someone from different religion and being part of lgbt. But that happens when you're only Indonesian. If you're Foreigner, they don't care unless you brought that up.
My Cousin convert from Moslem to Christian because she marrying a Christian man, but my big family still support n respect her n her husband no matter what their religion.
Even when in Eid Mubarak moment, sometimes their hosting a celebration and invite us (their Moslem family) in their home to sharing happines n apologize each other in that moment (called silahturahmi or halal bi halal in Indonesian tradition).
That's what we Indonesian People called "Bhineka Tunggal Ika", Unity in Diversity 😊
@@yuveex does that mean im sick for like 14 years? Lol
@@mitsuzaki59 can't you?
Yuvee no, that is not a fact.
Di Indonesia banyak sekali manusia, tetapi tidak ada kemanusiaan.
Iya setuju
Setuju
@@adamantobserver8655 gini loh maksudnya dinegara kita ada banyak orang cuma pasti ada aja yang ga punya sifat prikemanusiaan kebanyakan pada hakim sendiri :")
@@steffichan lagian juga percuma kalo gk main hakim sendiri, kalo aparat yg nangkap trus hukumannya tidak setimpal kan sama saja. Contohnya tikus berdasi hehe.
Puisi 100
I am a Spanish guy living in Belgium and in a long distance relationship with a wonderful guy that lives in Indonesia. I am planning on visitting him next summer but I am a bit afraid. How much danger are for both of us when we walk in the street? Can they arrest us just for being there? Is it dangerous that we hold our hands or kiss in public? And what about i the airport?
I need to be well informed before going to Indonesia (btw, we will be staying in an RB&B appartment in Jakarta or Bandung, not sure yet).
Hagane Elric You will not get arrested. But i recommend you to not kiss in the public because most Indonesian can’t accept LGBT yet. People will look at you in disgust or even judge you. Anyway, hopes you & your bf stay safe in Indonesia!!
Keep your activity indoor, then you'll be fine
U better meet in another country. Like thailand or Vietnam .
Hey, I know it's private but how is the relationship going?
@@cateatinrat78 Thankfully it is still going. I couldn't manage to go visit him last summer, but I could help him with the visa and he came to Belgium in Christmas. We spend the best 12 days of our life. The next step is to bring him definitely here, which I guess it's not easy.
좋은 말 안하면 그냥 닥쳐라 좀🙄
mood
@@cleoreizzelv3894 no
@@mama-sy7to no?
@@cleoreizzelv3894 Something about satirical humor concerning sensitive issues like this one rubs me the wrong way. But oh well, mOoD.
@@mama-sy7to well I'm sorry that what I said bothered you but I would appreciate it if you just told me without being rude
I feel so sorry for him. I could never comprehend the idea of his siblings kicking him out of the house just because he’s ‘different’?! It really infuriates and saddens me because I have a little brother myself. I would never ostracize my own family.
The world is already a hard place, if your own family can’t accept you, who would? But I’m so glad that he found someone. His boyfriend is very lovely.
It's not because he's different... It's because their beliefs told them to~
@@chargemankent he is different but not in a bad way though
@@Oxilyite He is different... but he get kicked out not because he's different~
@@chargemankent if they believe in what I believe then that's not true. My believe never told me to kick your family out of the house if they're 'different' i will accept them no matter what.
Asian is about collective group and growth. This is the opposite of it.
When religion mix with politics , same goes to Malaysia ( what a easy tools )
Malaysia are founded by religion dude..
I'm tied of some countries , they are trying to defend themselves just because of a religion
Islam is political, Islamism.
I agree with you, but could u pls get ur grammar right
islam is horrible
What happened to, "Berbeda-beda tetapi satu"? (Different but still as one) its not the same. Never has been.
Kalau skrng di ganti jadi berbeda beda tapi harus seiman
1. Ketuhanan yang maha esa. sayang lgbt dilarang sama tuhan
@@zekkrn9739 Tuhan gak pernah melarang ataupun membenci lgbt, kalian kelompok mabuk agama penuh kebencian yg membenci lgbt dan melarangnya sebagaimana kalian mrmbenci dan melarang yg berbeda keyakinan dan kepercayaan dengan kalian
@@reyviewchannel97 bible pernah denger gw ada larangan, tapi juga ada yang bilang salah translate, klo quran gw cek paling al araf 81
@@zekkrn9739 but not every religion is against lgbt
Here in Indonesia religion doesn't allow us to accept LGBTQ+ but I don't recall ever been taught about bullying others for being "sinners". They're still human smh
Except for Hinduism and Buddhism , where it's allowed to be LGBTQ community ❤.
@@rochefort.04 not really Hinduism in Bali is influenced by indonesian values , which why Balinese also against Lgbtq.
@@rochefort.04 Yea, cool take them with you
Supporting them is not a must (goes back to what u belief; whats correct and incorrect) but please do respect them :)
Respect? No. Advice. These kinds of people should've get some lessons.
I mean these kinds of people shouldnt be ignored.
@@fathuuurrohman5634 you have no business in telling other people what to do with their relationships.
@@fathuuurrohman5634 And what kinds of lesson you want to bring upon them then?
@@dhimaswahyu7849 sampah masyarakat 😎
" *I have to pretend that he's my cousin* "
Me: Achilles and Patroclus flashback
just my opinion, i think is okay not accept lgbt but don't hate the people, we should respect each other believe and choice
But when we want to respect and not hate, you have to accept they first
@@hohoho3660 but before any things comes, can we just see each other as human being?
@@hohoho3660 you can still respect them as human beings even before accepting any of their beliefs
Agree with u!
that's not a choice.
Being yourself is not crime.
Weren't criminals also being themselves?
@으 는 디 ᄐ ᅡアナンディタ wth? Being ourself is a crime in muslim? Explain to me please, im confuses
*d
If yourself is a psychopath who has fetish to torture people, you cant tell them to "be yourself".
@@stevanny1426 no.. It is not a crime as long as you still "be yoursel" in the right path.
I'm Indonesian and I respect his decision.
Same I am not Indonesian
I only feel sorry for him. Its not his choice.
@@alvinong9008 for some reason people don't get that lgbt people can't choose just like people of color
I am Indonesian, and I respect the lgbt community, and to clarify further I am catholic and straight
Maksud respect?
@@fikrihbro yah respect. paansi
Ya respek boleh, tapi di sini d tentang, mustahil misalnya beneran d terima hancur indonesia...
@@berbersaljoker3497 kenapa hancur? Klau org dri awalnya straight ya nggak akan berubah kok. Demikian klau org yang nggak trans, mau ketemu 1000 org trans didunia ini, ngopi tiap hari bareng mereka juga nggak akan bikin org itu trans. Terus hancurnya dimana? Dengan nggak membenci dan nggak bikin org ngerasa benci sama diri sendiri, apanya yang salah?
To you is your religion
As indonesian as human, i know everyone have different opinion and perspective, but i just have no idea why everyone judge so much on everything, let them be their self, be happy because we cant choose how we were born, its just ourself
Because those people must see the truth clearer. They mind has been being set by conservatives
i am 22yo and i have been make a relationship with my bf at least 7 years, here in Indonesia.
Well, that's pretty brave
Ah :D hope you both stay together forever!
Hey, I am 27 and I've been live together with my BF for 5 years, nice to heard your story, send hug.
@@Dani-ju6uq 🤗
Stay safe okay!
this happens to thousands of people in Indonesia, and it’s actually so sad because in here all the open minded one mainly stay in the big cities
oh hey yeah im open minded !! so im okay to all the new idea that being a hot topic in social media !! yeah im so open minded and progressive!! that im progressing to the regressed state of humanity !! cool !!
Open minded bukanlah alasan untuk membuat yang dilarang jadi boleh. Lgbt jelas dilarang dalam agama Islam
@@Random-du4et tbh, homoseksual dlm agama itu sering disalahtafsirkan. Cth agama melarang pedofilia tp malah ditafsirkan sebagai homoseksual. Entah siapa yg awal mulanya pnya tafsiran kyk bgtu dan turun temurun 🤦🏻♂️
@@brokenvibes2360 lgbt sama pedofilia dilarang itu tindak kriminal
@Random kalau agama lain. Contoh orang yang beragama budha tidak memiliki batasan dalam masalah orientasi seksual berarti mereka boleh lgbt, kan?
I'm sorry that you have to live in fear.. may things get better for you 😭😭😭
😭😭
I agree.
I disagree
I agree.
It's disgusting at how many people in my countries keep judging each other based on religion. Why can't people just at least RESPECT each other. I'm sick of this abuse.
~from a bisexual indonesian
Proud of you Mystic
Indonesia people are crazy about religion
~from a pansexual indonesian
Their being homophobic and mabuk agama are the main reason why we cannot respect indonesia and the indonesian people (especially the homophobic religious people), at all!!!
@@adrianwakeisland4710 then leave this country, if don't like it then leave.
@@adrianwakeisland4710 that sort of being racist
It’s so sad how Abrahamic religions ruins everything. Indonesia was once a diverse country with a predominantly Hindu-Buddhist culture. After Islam arrived, this is what happened. Everything is about hatred, intolerance and violence.
It really is depend on the people, I'm an atheist but most of my Muslim friends really care about loving each other and forgiving each other, but theres also a Kaboom boi making kaboom in front of the church
As an indonesian + a muslim, as long as they don't disturb me I won't disturb them or judge on them. They're just a human living their own life. I have some few friends that aren't straight and they're pretty kind to me. I don't support or like them but I don't hate them either, I accept them as humans :)
As a young teen,a bisexuel,still in the closet and lives in indonesia i always feal like if i tell the peopel who are close to me that im bisexuel they will just push me away and think that im sick or its just a phase and the internet is actuely helping me to just be open to other peopel about me being bi and that im valid in anyway,it is hard to be a part of the lgbtq+ community especialy in indonesia i just hope that peopel here will just accept us for who we are
Sorry if this doesent make sence but you get the idea lah
Bro gw juga ateis cuman takut dibenci di Indonesia. Tapi mungkin masih lebih ditoleransi karena cuman kepercayaan.Intinya tetap semangat jalani kehidupan Broo👍👍
So don't ever come out if you no have privileged like money or something can u handle be yourself.
@@hazzam552 thanks ill remeber that
@@nazteee8769 Im an Lgbtq Indonesian and a Convert to Christianity . Technically being LGBTQ is not against indonesia Bcs its Not against the Constitution. Bcs there is Still some Religions that Are not against the LGBTQ community Like for example Hindus and Buddhists. But Widespread Judgements are still seen.
As much as I do love this country I hope that someday people like them can live happily as what they truly are
Very happy to see some considerate and human Muslim once in a while.
Never lol
@@mbeina326 leave
@@mbeina326 🤡🤡
Sorry mate not gonna happen here.. im against and so we on country
As an Indonesian who lives in a religious environment, I can agree.
People are always using their religion so they wouldn't get backlash from it. Political and famous individuals uses their religion in a way to not get backlash from it, to make themselves always look righteous.
They say "We're diverse, but we are one.", yet look how they treat the LGBT Community. Truly a Great hypocrite.
Transfer to the Philippined! Lol
@@elioabelle9388 eyy I'm Abelle too!
But about your comment it kinda hurts..
In a way because we are Indonesian and it's hard to leave this beautiful country even tho some may think its people are homophobic or open minded and accepting. It would be better to say "I hope Indonesia can and will accept the LGBTQ+ community and not disrespect them". By that saying it'll give more positives to LGBTQ+ Indonesians here
I agree
This is why I never come out to my parents. Being able to accept yourself and accept the fact that I'm not straight is already hard enough. I'm an Indonesian. I grow up and I study at a Catholic school or environment. I am not Muslim. Being a minority in the country is already hard enough, and you can imagine feeling so small because I have different sexuality. I have always been silent about it. It wasn't easy figuring it out especially when no one can explain and help you. At least no one in your environment. And once you find out about it, you need to learn to accept it. That's when the depression kicks in. That guy survived. What about those who committed suicide because of this?
Iya kak rasanya udah kayak mau mati aja. Ak come out ke keluarga klau ak 'bukan perempuan' dan bener2 di tolak mati matian. Rasanya sakit banget. Ak sampe binggung akhirnya, apa ak bnr2 trans? Ak ngerasa ak bener2 trans, tapi kenapa jadi trans rasanya sakit bngt? Ak nggk ngerti kak rasanya sakit bngt. Gimana caranya kita survive ya tanpa terus terusan sembunyi dan nolak diri sendiri kyk gini? Ak pgn bngt join komunitas tapi nggak ketemu. Apa kk punya? Klo punya kali aja bisa sharing :(
@@KawanHiksrot semoga kamu selalu diberikan kekuatan ya. Hidupmu lebih berarti daripada omongan dan perlakuan tidak baik mereka yang jahat ke kamu ❤️
@@myearth6165 makasih 😭❤ kmu juga yaa
@yean ????? I know that and everybody knows that. What are you doing here really? Your comment is not helping at all
same but more obscure minority (I'm agnostic and I'm not straight and I used to be Muslim ) yup I won't even consider to come out,even in family or friends gatherings I always pretend to pray (salah)
I'm a Saudi Arabian and the struggle that we face in Muslim countries just for being who we are is extremely huge and we find ourselves constantly fighting for the simplest rights and that's just horrible I'm out of words I just lost my faith in humanity I'm not trying to play the victim role but what's happing for us is extremely inhumanity.
You play victim because you man. Simpel knowledge like this you don't understand?
We're minorities here... If the situation never changed, there's 3 options.. hide in closet forever, hookups or hiding our relationship, n going overseas
We exist everywhere but these Muslim countries say we don't have Homosexual which is a lie
I’m a korean canadian living in Indonesia. The majority of local Indonesians are definitely very homophobic bc of their strong Islamic backgrounds. I go to an international highschool, and the people in my school+ other international/intercultural schools are much more open minded (they watch jeffree, james charles etc). It’s very interesting for me to see such difference between locals who live in regular indo neighborhoods compared to more posh neighborhoods.
One thing I’m sure of, A LOTTTTT of indo teens love KPOP and I’m positive that it’s affecting their views on LGBT (kpop group’s normally provide fanservice w/ the members and their fans would ship them). If the local teens here slowly become more and more open minded from the influence of kpop, I think the future of lgbt acceptance for the youth of indonesia is looking alright.
@D J also homophobic is not our culture
Live in Indonesia neighborhood = being uneducated
Indonesia is strong religion muslim or christian not support lgbt but dont hate thia people,and dont forget korea still homophobic
Yes, it's a process and everything thing takes time, it's the younger generations that will change the collective beliefs or perspective towards sexuality. Maybe in 10 years from now, 20 years... So those of you who are struggling with your sexuality, jusy hold on to dear life, there's a lot of things to celebrate, friendship, love, beauty and soul connection who just get you.
As an Indonesian, I feel like people judge a lot based on their views... they even build communities and riots for something they “didn’t like”. Like it’s not bothering your life and not everything should be according to religious beliefs, some people just don’t trust it and it’s fine.
Lu ngomongin agama mulu😀
Padahal mereka itu butuh edukasi bagaimana kembali jatuh cinta ke lawan jenis bukan sesama jenis😷ini malah di dukung hadehhh goblokkk asuu asuuu
As an indo, I truely do feel terrible for him, I still don't know why homophobic is still such a large part of my country's politics.
Simply religion, most of secular party at least not support or hate them
@@beginnergamerss6766 Buddhism supports LGBTQ 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈❤
@@rochefort.04 💀OK.
Based anti lgbt
It's not politics, it because we just belief and practice what religion and tradition taught to people.
i missed my old indonesia where we were tolerate each other dofferences
i think, the incident
*is going to happen again*
with the power of technology this will be probably longer than half 3 centuries
That was before abrahamic religions came to Indonesia
@@zaujimaveinformacie4008 nah 2016. When Islam went from a religion to a political ideology. Everything before were pretty chill
@@facebookuser1653 thanks to China, US, Local Oligarch for make this. If you know what i mean.
@@zaujimaveinformacie4008 cry about it
I don't think it's a crime at all? It's my personal opinion though, so chill yourself out. If you have something negative to say just keep it to yourself, it's better than hurting other's feelings. I'm Indonesian and I'm straight, but I never despise people who are LGBT. I respect them, it's their own life after all. I mean, it's not harming us at all! They're being themselves and they're happy. All we need is to support them, If I ever had a friend who is LGBT, I won't mock them or anything. I'll support them and keep on being their friend. Spread love, not hate. ♡
Preach.
This is Indonesia and your life is about majority opinion XD
Its not harming us at the moment, but if it spreading too much it might harm our kids.
@@ryanthanatonius4068 I hate to say this but you're right 🙃
Lisa, we need more straight man like you in the country❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
Its hard to be lgbt in indonesia because it is really taboo in indonesia and the islamic cultures are so involved in the daily bassis
All hearts go to this guy, Bisexual teen aswell, Im actually surprised that everyone (Students) in my school altough it is party dedicated to religion, Is surprisingly tolerant towards me, Actually made some funny harmless jokes about it.
Imagine got rejected by the whole family and bullied by the surroundings. At least he still has his bf that seems loving him unconditionally.
Come to the Philippines and we will welcome you with two hands
Yes, the Philippines are open-minded, accepting and friendly! you will be safe there
Hahahah
@I WANT TO EAT YOUR PANCREAS hahahahah awesome
@@oye175 none of christianity beliefs that support LGBT, wake up
It's not easy
As an Indonesian, it pains me to say that this homophobia only gets worse when one goes to online platforms.
Nearly all Indonesian videos mentioning 'LGBT' are littered with comments saying things like 'the LGBT community should be treated more badly than animals' or 'more than 80% of the members of Indonesia's LGBT community suffers from homophobia, we should make it a 100%'.
Living as an LGBT individual in Indonesia is already brutal, so imagine what it must feel like to be an Indonesian LGBT netizen.
I'm an Indonesian Christian, but I wish to see a Secular, Open-Minded Indonesia in the near future.
@@buttxrontoast-7100 agreed... Glad there's still people who is accepting and open minded in Indonesia here, like you.
And I'm a Muslim Indonesian... But i don't care anymore. I'm a LGBT Muslim.
I agree with you, I'm also an Indonesia LGBT... I hate how society nowadays are closed minded. And that's one of the reason why i lose hope in humanity.
@@KuroosRoosterHairhat should mean youre no longer muslim... yet until you act upon it. Actually you still can be be but dont expect your prayers would be accepted.
@@KuroosRoosterHair wth lgbt muslim? What kind of muslim is that?? I bet you never read al quran, or you never understand what you read in quran. You can't be a muslim and lgbt, islam is never support lgbt. Sepertinya ke islaman anda patut dipertanyakan...
We can just hide ☹ and sometimes your parents will force you to marry someone
Just ignore me only happens in india
Amen
Be an adult and make your own decisions. Marry the one that you want. You are owned by no one. You should do you.
Do a lot of tarajweed prayers to get your mind and body under control.
@@earli649 yeah, being ungrateful is your virtue....
“There's nothing wrong with you. There's a lot wrong with the world you live in.”
-Chris Colfer
This quotes is dangerous. Most terrorrist do believe this
Fixme kalo semua orang ngomong gini, berantakan dunia boss. Lo jadi bagian dari problem “there’s a lot wrong with the world you live in”
@@irfanmaulananasution I talk about being "ourself"here
@@arekmalang4501 it's scary when hatred can be contagious to people. They're sick!
@@arekmalang4501 I'm actually sick too seeing religious heretic everywhere in Indo.
As an Indonesian, I said that in reality Indonesian is well open minded to lgbt , and we are okay with that.
But, in internet somehow you will read some troll who pretend to be Indonesian or really the toxic one. U know internet, nameless poeple can say randomly.
Orang Indonesia itu mudah digiring kok opininya, sangat mudah. Tingkat pendidikan yg gak seberapa menjadi faktornya.
Terima emang.
Asal jgn ngelakuin kegiatan non-muslim kalo di ktp tulisan masih beragama Islam, ubah aja.
Biar di bumi ini Islam jadi mayoritas, agama satu2nya yang beranak di bumi.
Cape jadi minoritas mulu di negara mayoritas non-muslim.
@@messamaesya4698
Emang tinggal dimana
Terlalu open minded juga bisa membahayakan loh yah, contohnya lgbt.
@@adamantobserver8655
Open minded itu masalah perbedaan.
Tapi kalau lgbt mau close minded atau open minded akan tetap ada.
@@bcoveplmene9791 bukan, open minded itu berpikir secara terbuka tentang mereka atau apapun itu, kalau lu terlalu open minded ke lgbt mau apa dunia ini?
As an indonesian, and a CHILD it really hurts to be in the lgbt community because some might say, " kamu terlau muda untuk tau " and yes, i am young tetapi aku tidak buta bahwa aku bisexual, biromantic, dan bigender. Im also afraid of what will happen if my family found out, especially my dad. I love them so much to let them go and everytime i draw lgbt my dad usually finds out and says " Kamu suka cewek? " and i would make up a lame excuse and he would believe it. So this is why it's hard especially me being a child, my religion, the people who care abt you, and being the only lgbt person in the whole entire school, well except the Asexuals that are there uwu
Just stay strong
I'm a bisexual demiandrogyne person and ur not alone
We have a whole army behind us
I'm here for u :)
Your father asking that means that he might alr figured out of your true personality, sexuality. Be honest with him. Becoz you cant forever lie to yourself
Ayahmu hanya berusaha menjalankan keyakinan agamanya, ayahmu meyakini sesuai ajaran agamanya, bahwa ajaran Tuhan yang kamu langgar maka akan menjadi tanggung jawabnya pula.
Semoga Tuhan memberi petunjuk padamu.
as an Indonesian who is absolutely fine with other peoples sexuality, it's disturbing. Because i know this is true. In Indonesia, the majority of the people here are Islamic. And i am not saying Islamics are evil and they are all bad like this, (PLEASE CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG) but i have heard that for them, liking the same gender as your own is wrong. Again, i have nothing against Islamic. Indonesia is beautiful, but the people? not so much
That's what happens when religion rules the country.
@Keyaan Arrasyid Akbar well thats your opinion
@Keyaan Arrasyid Akbar
I don’t think indo is democratic
Well as a Indonesian muslim myself i dont have any problems with the LGBT folks
we can be friends or nothing.
As i say in other word= neutral
Hi. I'm Indonesian. I'm not part of the community, but I love and respect the LGBTQ community.
Bye.
Well I will tell one thing about this. INDONESIA is NOT MUSLIM country. I am Indonesian and I am straight, but I do feel bad to these people who are struggling for their own right. Remember that Indonesia is Pancasila which one of it said " social justice for all the people of Indonesia". And as well that I am telling u I'm Muslim too, but this is not about religion. This is about our own right. People have their own right to who they wanna be. I feel bad for these people because they being fear to live in their own home country. This shouldn't their business to judge these people who have intrested in the same gender.
Yupp Islamists are quite spiteful in Indonesia, you can even use it to drag down someone when they're not a Muslim especially politician.
True 😒
@Zaki Youssef well they dont touch the nerve of the muslim and they dont really held central power that could threat other party with interest.
@Zaki Youssef dude..i said they didnt touch the muslim's nerve not saying he doesnt has the nerve or the gut...so no conflict of interest..
Jangan ngegas baca dulu
@Zaki Youssef Zaki Youssef conflict of interest remember? They will go along their way as long as they cater the muslim's wants and if they dont do so then their weapon is their religion. Oh geez. We are sampling from ahok here and it may not be the same for you but this is how i see politic in Indonesia which really is a let down for minority here. When ahok reign, public's sympathy were slowly gained any many felt threaten, he was the epitome of minorities face as much as we wants a justice and equality religion always become a highest point here. "I Dont like this!" "Why?" "BCAUSE MY ALLAH SAID SO! EVERTHING IN QUR'AN IS RIGHT!" then how are we can debate that?.
So respect that sis
@Zaki Youssef yupp he is wiser and not so controversial ..so?
That is who he is , not everyone can be a carbon copy of him
Then if someone is less wise and controversial then they are to blame? I think no
I feel bad for him of having such terrible siblings..
And he shouldn't listen to them who mocked him! Gain power of ur own, and just ignore the siblings..
I'm also a single, 28y/o never date anyone (almost); bcz I choose to
I know people said bad things, behind my back (and sometimes in my face), but they know nothing. I choose what I choose and I take risk that I can bear; the one who taste the fruit is me anyway
how about, no, youre the one who know nothing.
yeah, choose whatever you want, but dont come whining and crying afterwards, thats what makes people irritated.
@@rafaelmaleakhilumbanbatu9873 I'm sorry, what???
Which one showed me that I'm whinning and crying?
U don't see my point here,, people accused him something based on his own one choice
Surely I know nothing, but I know how to ignore people's judgement over something they barely know
And if u are irritated abt my words, u don't have to respond my post
Simple
@@fp_ilovelies2351 yeah i said "you" in my statement before, I stand corrected, i should clearly addressed the lgbt here, not you as the individual.
I get your point, my point is, lgbt shouldnt whining and crying about the consequences of their "CHOICE"
@@rafaelmaleakhilumbanbatu9873 Agreed then
Thanks for clarifying
I consider myself as a non-Homophobic, but I wouldn't go support them either. I simply disagree with their choice of life, I'm not hating the person..
People should at least considering others' thoughts and emotions before judging, bcz we never know what happened under the cover
And this man should be at least grateful that there's no such regulation against LGBTQ in Indonesia (as I know). He "just" need to bear of not being free to express his love in the public
And I think, expressing Love in the public isn't necessary actually, even between man-woman..
LGBTQ is not a choice btw. Did straight is a choice? Ofc no! Same with the LGBTQ. Now you know. Homophobe is a choice btw.
Indonesian IRL : *condemning LGBT*
Indonesian on the internet : lol gæy goes brrrr
I might be very late..
But..
Bagus you ARE worthy ❤️
I'm proud of you. 🇲🇨🏳️🌈
That is monaco flag
🇮🇩
@@Richdropoutt Nope that's Indonesian
@@rochefort.04 monaco
@@Richdropoutt Bilang Kalo Mau Pansos , HAhHahahahahahaah . Try better Bitj 🤣🤣😂😂
Its their culture. we cant always force our ideology to other people. Migration is an option for them.
Discrimination against the LGBT is *not* an inherent part of Indonesian culture. That's the influence of (recent) radicalized Islamic doctrine, and Islam does not represent the entirety of Indonesia, nor does every single Indonesian Muslim prescribe to such hateful ideologies. Our national motto is "Unity in Diversity," so, no - homophobia is not a natural part of our culture.
Hal da Costa we always discriminate lgbt, its like unspoken culture
Die is an option for homophobe
Huh, migrating to another country is easy as leaving Islam.
indonesian culture is to judge and bully other people if theyre not having the same beliefs as theirs
I understand that LGBT is not a desease and never was. Back when I was- nvm it is still currently, people in Indonesia still hate, disrespect the LGBT community even I was too. But now I understand that mocking and disrespecting the LGBT community will just bring more hate to me and it's wrong too to disrespect a community in my culture and religion. So in conclusion, I do not support LGBT but I still see them as human being, I don't want to disrespect nor mock them as long as they don't disturb my culture or religion (but it's actually the otherwise for my friends ngl lol).
How about we say WE DON'T SUPPORT INDONESIANS but we don't mock them coz indonesians are humans, are you feel offended as an indonesian when we tell you that WE DON'T SUPPORT INDONESIANS?
It's way more disgusting seeing the comments from the people outside Indonesian country judging how Indonesian value. If you don't know anything about Indonesian people and their culture, at least you should know a little before judging Indonesia.
exactly what i thought. i mean we are raised in a religious country so i think it kinda makes sense if people in indonesia can't accept lgbt
@@bellaaa9957 don't you see how our own people judging our country? How can you avoid a foreigner judging us if we also judge our own country?
@@bellaaa9957 mhm.
Unfortunately that doesn't make it right.
I've experienced homophobia due to being in a religious school and I will say this one hits home.
I do hope people realize that no matter what, we are all still human and we need to understand that the neglect and hate will no improve anything but show that society is just a battlefield.
Same for me , I've Experienced Homophobia Because of Going to an Islamic Religious school 💔. But Now I'm Planning to leave The Islamic Religion too .
really sorry that he lives in fear, i'm in the same situation as him too, indonesian people when they know you're different, they're gonna judges you. brutally attacking your mental health, imagine hating someone just because having differents ways of happiness and be themselves. fighting for their righteous, life is so cruel
in Indonesia we have our own ideology and prespectives that keeps us on the track. In my opinion LGBT don't match with that ideology ,But it doesn't mean that we hate them , we just have different opinion on that issues. but again it's just my opinion ,take it easy.
I assume the "ideology" you're talking is Pancasila, but in Pancasila, Chapter 5 it says "Keadilan Sosial Bagi Seluruh Rakyat Indonesia" which literally means Social Justice for All Indonesians, I don't think bashing, discriminating and banning LGBT is a Social Justice.
Dont match with stupidity and ignorant .
@@zaki4418 but,LGBT is exactly against the sila #1. Ketuhanan Yang Maha Esa.
Indonesian lives a life based on religion.
And..,for sure,LGBT could ruined "tatanan sosial" which is relating with sila #5
And...,don't shy and hesitate to speak loud the right things dude!.
Indonesia is a country deeply tied with culture, tradition and religion. While not as extreme as some other countries that incorporate religious law above all, most people are not open-minded at all whether they want to admit it or not. Let's say, if someone converts to another religion or marries a person with a different ethnic group background, their family will snap, doesn't matter if that person is fully an adult or not. Of course, this is not the case with every Indonesian family out there, but yeah.
Yes, it's because indonesia have a strong cultural background. And i think it'll be hard to change that...
Converts? 💀
Shut up, that's called being a murtad. And we all know the punishment for that
i've always want to come to an lgbt event or at least part of a lgbt activity, but as time goes by, this certain community getting louder with their fear of lgbt (they are scary- and judgemntal), it seems like it will never happen-
Thank you for sharing your situation. You're very brave. Try to focus on the positive and get out of the situation if possible. You sound very smart and resourceful.
NOW YOU KNOW HOW IT FEELS.
Laknat kamu
Cepat cepatlah bertaubat
Sebelum nyawa mu di ujung tenggorokan mu!!!!!
@@haykalThimawan ngelaknatin orang sama nyuruh orang tobat juga ga akan bikin u auto masuk surga kok mas 🤦
@@Kameroro2 oh ternyata saling mengingatkan tidak boleh 🤔
Thank you for sharing your story. Please do not ever change just because of fear. I promise you, it always gets better. 🏳️🌈
No place for this “disease” but there’s a place for homophobia?? ok little boy take several seats hunty.
@@ico9005 So there is place for hatred and discrimination to grow? Your ignorant
Pelangi pelangi 🌈
Indonesians are not disgusting for not accepting the LGBT community. They simply grew up with those values and beliefs with influences from their parents, friends , religion and many others. I don’t think it’s ok to hate and basically view them as not human but I don’t think their disgusting for thinking the things they’ve just been told everyday for their whole lives.
I think it’s fine to have their opinion, but saying that they shouldn’t have rights is disgusting. No matter how you view someone, they have a life, they deserve their life. No one is born hateful, no matter what environment
It's okay to disagree.
Just don't be rude.
(Yeah I'm a straight Indon)
@@bud384 lah kog-
Gw orang indo 😂
Emang w peduli orang malay ngomong apa 💀💀
Don't use Indon, it's derogatory, often used by Malaysians & Singaporeans to mock Indonesians because a lot of Indonesians go there to work as maids, low class workers, and manual workers, fancy ways to say "PEMBANTU"
@@messupd terserah klo masih mau pake kata "Indon" sya cuma ngasih tau klo itu punya konotasi buruk..
I met a lot of indonesian people that have an opinion like 'we dont really agree with LGBTQ community,but we dont hate them,let them be" and truthfully,these people are majority in indonesia especially in big cities
BUT, they are silence.
Unfortunately,the people that have narrow minded talk louder,so in the end these people look like they're representing a whole country,and maybe they succeded.
I come out little old when I 21 but I never date with a boy before at all even now I still don't have any attraction with man. I know who I am.
I mom absolutely accept it and proud of me, the problem is just like this Indonesian don't accept lgbt people at all no future.one day human will get old and die I don't want wasting my life in country make me not happy and pressure.
So my plan for my future is moving to a country more freedom and accepted LGBT country just like make a move that can make my life have amazing
So.. Get out from Indonesia now.... Wkwkw
aww that's nice, wish you all the best ❤️ happiness is what you deserve
@@brokenvibes2360 I'm from Indonesia... Indonesia not legal for LGBT.... Of you don't agree about that... Simple so Get out from Indonesia...
@@ataxwibisono8095 gw jg orang Indonesia. Sebutin sini mana hukum yg menyatakan LGBT itu ilegal di sini! Di sini gak legal dan jg legal dan tidak dikriminalisasi jg! Negara ini gak pnya problem sm LGBT cm mindset masyrakatnya yg terbelakang dan kurang terdidik utk memperlakukan org berdasarkan orientasi seksualnya! Ignorant!
@@brokenvibes2360 sini ane kasih solusi terbaik... Loe kasih nih video ke aparat penegak hukum supaya open minded.... Ane cuma rakyat biasa gk punya kekuatan apa2... Soalnya ane juga kasihan ada yang sampe ditangkap satpol PP sama di rukyah lagi.... Duit berlebih monggo tinggal yang negaranya aman... Contoh : Kanada... Ane bukan kontra cuma kasihan aja...
as an Indonesian, bisexual person this rings so true for me and it's why I will never come out to anyone except the peers I know that's actually in the community because my life is in danger. Everytime I like someone the same gender as me I have to question myself whether I want to shoulder the burden of living in fear all the time and being shunned by the whole world. It's just a sad reality living in conservative country.
Are you religious or follow any religion?
Di jaga dlu aja
Lu misal bisexual di indo bisa bahaya
Stay strong
@@tp5487 maaf cerita nih gan
dulu ane pernah kenalan sama orang di ig, terus kita chat-chatan terus nih. nah terus dia cerita kalo dia bisex, tapi ane terima aja lah dan masih mau temenan ama dia. ane tanya2 kok bisa jadi begitu. tiba2 dia makin ganas dan malah ngirimin gambar tidak senonoh. untuk ngatasi hal beginian gimana gan.
edit : aku 100% straight
@@muhammadrayhanalif3282 blokir aja, orang mesum mah ada di di orientasi seksual apapun
As an Indonesian my self, i never accept the consept of LGBT, not because the religion reason, but in realistic way, when whole country population is LGBT and don't having a child, It will decrease number of country population and the impact is we will faced low fertility like what happened in eruopean and east asian country, and at the end, the govt will imported some 3rd world country immigrant and considered what happened in europe caused by immigrant, i hate that gonna happen so i never accept the consept of LGBT
Lu pikir karena nerima komunitas lgbt populasi langsung nurun? realistis banget ya wkwkwk
@@okok-cx8lo gue ga langsung bilang bakal ujug2 bakal menurun skrg juga, tapi gue bakal bilang bakal terjadi 40-50 tahun mendatang, untuk sekarang tren angka kelahiran Indonesia setiap tahun menunjukan angka penurunan, untuk sekarang mungkin bagus, tapi di masa depan gimana? 2060 populasi Indonesia diproyeksikan minus seperti yg skrg terjadi di negara dunia pertama kek Korea, Jepang atau Uni Eropa, kalau skrg LGBT dikasi tempat di Indonesia, di masa depan Indonesia bakal struggle buat naikin angka kelahiran biar stabil, trus endingnya apa? Ya lu tau sendiri import manusia dari negara² timur tengah atau Afrika
@@debudasatriawibawa9405 lu pikir negara yang lu sebut itu yang lu claim bakal mengurang populasi nya karena mereka nge legalin lgbt? Dan bukan karena kekurangan universal health care? Atau karena income inequality? Gak ush ngawur ngab
@@okok-cx8lo kliatan gimana otak lu gagal nangkep omongan gue, di negara yg gue sebutin diatas justru punya sistem health care terbaik di dunia, yg gue bilang, negara tersebut udah struggle buat naikin jumlah kelahiran gara2 penduduknya ogah punya anak, malah legalin LGBT yg justru makin memperparah keadaan, gue ga bilang LGBT faktor utama, ngerti kaga sih lu? Endingnya mereka buka pintu imigrasi impor Manusia dari timur tengah & Afrika biar roda perekonomian bisa berjalan, tapi imigran malah buat rusuh disono
@@okok-cx8lo bayangin negara lu ekonominya mulai mandek kekurangan tenaga kerja gara2 penduduk lu ogah punya anak, alih² nyari solusi malah legalin LGBT yg makin buat keadaan parah, negara lu endingnya mutusin buat impor imigran yg malah buat rusuh negara lu, Western Europe is doomed
It hurts to see lots of people can't feel freedom in their own country :")
Me a Muslim and Indonesian : i don't care what people say, is their opinion and they okay with it and they are not killing or anything, they are still humans
yes.. I am in a muslim school and my friends hates me because I respect and tolerate, let me repeat that for you. Respect and tolerate, not support the lgbt community. Like how homophobic can my friends be?
Be yourself is the prettiest thing you can be. You don't have to depend on someone telling you who you are.
Army 💜
But you have country... This is Indonesia... And you must agree about Indonesia law...
@@myidgan7561 LGBT love...?/ You get out from Indonesia.. hahahh
@@ataxwibisono8095 Uh actually Indonesia (exclude Aceh) does not have laws restrictions for people being LGBT except its marriage.
@@ataxwibisono8095 If there was a law saying being straight/heterosexual was illegal, would you follow it? After all, you must agree with the law~
When your Indonesian and bisexual: *I CAN RELATE SO MUCH WITH THIS-*
Same dude especially if you're a muslim
@@Belochk4 yeah :(
@@samudrasigajah but i'm trans and also bi so my parents would hate me +1
Bisexual here 😭✋
Bisex from ur neighbor malaysia here
Remember: don't hate the people, but avoid their habits
setuju Ngabb :)
how is homosexuality a habit?
@@sakithesilly it is a bad habit/sexuality, so we should avoid their habit
@@sakithesilly is exactly disgusting habit, oh disgusting illness.
@@willnat1422why? Care to explain?
I'm so sorry that people have to hurt this way. Stay strong, everyone.
Its just eastern culture has Nothing to do with Islam or any religion, me myself is Indonesian also non muslim, but lgbt in Indonesia still considered as a taboo and not normal.
For you. But how us become 'normal' like you? It's so stressfull we do everything to become ' normal ' but just getting worse
It has everything to do with Islam. In a lot of culture back then, lgbt was generally accepted throughout SEA. Situation changed for Malaysia and Indonesia. Thailand on the other hand, is still lgbt-friendly. So yes it has everything to do with Islam.
hypocrisy has become a culture in Indonesia
We really agree with that. That's the painful reality.
The whole Indonesian Society is a Fight Club
I wish they should've nuked us rather and Japan.
The whole world is a hypocrisy , not just indonesia