here's one of the interesting things about the Royal Flush Gang. Their membership has fluctuated over the years, having eight different people as members over the years, so I don't see it as far-fetched that the DC Animated Universe have multiple Royal Flush Gang.
I always assumed the Joker was lying when he said he came up with the idea. I figured that was the joke, he stole the idea from the aristocratic crime family (who probably didn't have a world TV debut) and then pretended he made it up on his own. From a storytelling point of view, it would be the writers acknowledging that this Royal Flush Gang is a different version from the one seen in Batman Beyond, since they clearly have different backgrounds. But if we have to assume they are connected, your theory is as good as it'll get. Also, I assumed Batman encountered the real RFG after the end of JLU.
You're right that there's no evidence to prove they are separate gangs; it's just the assumption I made when I saw these episodes (It's funny to think of how furious the aristocratic family Royal Flush Gang would be to see their name co-opted by the madman Joker on global television). Prior to seeing your video, I didn't think there was any way to connect the two groups. I haven't seen the DCAU connected comics and web shows, so even if there was evidence to support my point of view, I wouldn't know about it. I'd like to think that the JLU show runners would have seen the huge continuity error they created if they intended for the Joker's group to be same the Royal Flush Gang Bruce describes in the future. Bruce definitely seems to be describing a family that has been around far longer than a few decades and he doesn't mention the Joker connection. But then I think of that damn Yellow Batsuit (which I had never noticed until I saw your video) so they may have just goofed. That said, does the possible existence of a second Royal Flush Gang adjust your timeline for Gotham Girls and change your answer about Killer Frost? PS - Keep making awesome videos. Love the channel!
It's more than likely that the ones that Waller created probably have their genetic samples taken from the original gang that was probably largely disbanded after tangling with Batman. The part of Joker thinking of the idea he probably knew one of the original members and chose an alternate card set.
Yes. Thank god! Back in BB when Bruce said he recognized the Flush Gang, I always assumed it was a BTAS episode I missed. It’s been eating away at me since the JL episode
It could also be one of the other original royal flush gang members. Like maybe Queen from Joker's gang married into an aristocratic British family of criminals and brought the name with he to the family. The flashback in wild cards showed she was blonde too and her personality fits. Plus she gets to keep her title.
From Joker's gang, Queen is presumed dead. She was knocked unconscious less than a minute before the building blew up when Joker tried to kill Hawkgirl and Green Lantern. Jack and 10 from Joker's Gang were captured, and Ace died not long afterward, as depicted in "Epilogue." That just leaves King, who did escape and could have re-founded the Royal Flush Gang.
I found myself wondering about the ever mysterious Royal Flush Gang and remembered your channel existed but I was like there's no way they did one of those, I mean not even these guys are that into it, AND THEN YOU FREAKING HAVE THE VIDEO ON YOUR CHANNEL AND I LOVE YOU GUYS
My personally interpretation was that joker had his royal flush gang adopt their aesthetic in order to mess with them, considering his disgust with gangsters and professional criminals
This is a neat Idea, but I just assumed that the Family Gang were still in Britain until maybe 20 years before Batman Beyond. I guess it's possible the 10 from Ace's gang married into the British family, though.
Here's an idea What if the Royal Flush gang never existed in the past and were called something else. Then when Joker made his own after it happened the "family gang" decided to use that name for themselves.
The Royal Flush Gang makes "their world debut" in "Wild Cards." We have no reason to believe this is not the first time the Royal Flush Gang has ever existed, and this seems to have been the intention of the writers. Therefore, at least Season 3 of "Gotham Girls" must take place after this episode.
I don't have a problem with the Royal Flush gang starting off as an unrelated mixture of meta-humans and turning into a generational dynasty. A lot of organisations that respect their traditions and lineages started with humbler beginnings and over time began to take on different aspects. Violent street gangs become Mob families that put a front of respectability while still benefiting from the legacy of their predecessors' crimes.
Random thought of the day. The time line video that mentioned this was forever ago but the "plasma rifles" that came before that 2005 stamped statue could have just been first gen guns and the famed rifle brand could be a more powerful/more accurate version.
At the end of "Wild Cards" King is the only member of the "Club" gang left unaccounted for. Jack and 10 are both captured, Queen is presumed dead, and Ace escapes but dies not long afterward as per "Epilogue." King could easily be the father of the Batman Beyond-era Queen (making him Melanie's grandfather). If you want to work in the "Spade" gang that Ace briefly formed, we could easily say that when King was re-founding the Royal Flush Gang he might have recruited some of those members. It is possible, though not necessary, that 10 might have been Melanie's grandmother.
An idea that was discarded by the writers is that there would be a Batgirl for Terry's Batman, a partner that would also serve a love interest with whom he would share his life as a hero, the idea was dismissed but part of it was used in Ten, since she is the "love interest of Batman" While Terry has Danna.
batman beyond seems to imply the royal flush gang has been around for over 30 to 50 years. So the cadmus and walker gang could be two seperate entities.
here's one of the interesting things about the Royal Flush Gang. Their membership has fluctuated over the years, having eight different people as members over the years, so I don't see it as far-fetched that the DC Animated Universe have multiple Royal Flush Gang.
@@noodles_studios No, Dick became Robin as a child in the show just as he did in the comics. That line is just to say that Dick has had more than one suit within his time as Robin, and the one he wore in college wasn't his original.
I don’t think that’s the case because 1st they weren’t allowed to make robin young so they aged him into being robin like 19-21 And 2nd in the lost years comic book Dick returns the green suit to Bruce so why would he use the red and black instead of the green and red suit Dick mostly used?
@@noodles_studios Dick only used it as a child, as it was built FOR A CHILD. He of course upgraded the suit as he got older to fit his more masculine needs.
I’m sure this has come up over the years since this video, could Grant Walker from the BTAS episode Deep Freeze be the father or grandfather of Beyonds King Walker?
I was doing the jingle and batman line with the video as usual and then some other person in the screen rudely interrupted. xp Also 7 families, oof. gg
Actually the original Royal Flush Gang in the Justice League series are all the same voice actors of the Teen Titans, so you may say that they are a precursor to the Teen Titans series.
The 10 from Ace’s Royal Flush Gang’s appearance is a reference to Bo Derek in the movie 10. However it could also be a tongue and cheek nod to Melanie.
To be honest the whole thing was confusing till the epilogue royal flush gang might be the start of the royal flush gang in type Batman beyond universe
So this was the end of this set. And now there's no more of the other. But are they the same "basement," even though they're different places? And were they both basement apartments or does that make the joke that much better?
the Beyond Exposition Flashback introducing them implies that the Walker's Criminal history predates Batman's Career, which means that whoever among the Epilogue Gang would have been a member of the Family already and that really opens up the door for any of them to have been a 'Black sheep' who was kicked out King for who knows what Queen being into Drag (Alternative Lifestyles are still not tolerated in some circles) Jack for being Black (Look at the attention Markle got for marrying into the Monarchy) 10 for being a Junkie (face it her de-powered form looks kind of strung out) to the Hair Color Point... maybe her arrest provided that catalyst to get clean and she eventually went back and grew to be the new Matriarch... - or this gang was simply a stray branch on the Family Tree If you think Big Picture if Gang A is King: Dad Queen: Mom Jack: Son 10: Daughter in law Ace: Hired Muscle which begets Gang B King = Jack A Queen = 10 A Jack = Son B 10= Daughter B Ace = 3rd Cousin twice removed Fred Come time for Gang C Does Jack B become King as per Male Birthright?... or Does 10 B become the Queen because she's Older?... or Fred Gets an ego and simply Names himself the New King at that point barring an edict from up the Family Tree you could have 3 wholly distinct Gangs in circulation each with some claim to the lineage
Or maybe The ones in justice league series I’m not really related to the actual ones we saw in Batman beyond probably took the name royal flush gang it is my opinion
We can only know whatever information is given to us! Dwayne McDuffie said (I believe around 2005) that he was “sure the Joker would recover from his drubbing at Ace’s hands and bedevil Batman many more times before that final battle,” referring of course to the “Return of the Joker” flashback. We had some fun plans for our “Legacies of the DCAU” comic concerning this, but the prequel “Harley Quinn and Batman” comic kinda threw it out the window. Oh, well.
Ace in “Justice League Unlimited” did, yes. That’s the original Royal Flush Gang, in modern day (well, technically the episode where she dies is a later team that she is still on). The RFG teams discussed in the majority of this video are the ones from 30-40-ish years later, the “Batman Beyond” era.
@@dcauwatchtower Thank you for the quick response. I have to get all collections and watch them. So many references meeting up together. The death of Ace was one of the most well done episodes in animation.
The epilogue Drag Queen need not be discounted as a Walker member. He is also blond and could be a cousin. There is a resemblance between future 10 and Epilogue 10 as well but she seems a little old to go on and mother future members she could be a old member or extended family of the Walkers.
I think Bruce Timm wanted Terry to be Bruce's clone from the start, but didn't directly tell anyone until later. I think even Terry's appearance was deliberately based on early depictions of young Bruce, the same way Blight was based on Dr. Phosphorus. ultimatebatmancomicswebsite.weebly.com/uploads/8/8/8/1/8881913/_9160560_orig.jpg
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Finding out there are *7 Royal Flush Gangs* was something I didn't thought I needed until now.
I freaking love this channel. :D
here's one of the interesting things about the Royal Flush Gang. Their membership has fluctuated over the years, having eight different people as members over the years, so I don't see it as far-fetched that the DC Animated Universe have multiple Royal Flush Gang.
Nothing compared to how many Jokerz gangs Ghoul said there were.
"Color that girl's hair blonde! And get me pictures of Spider-Man!"
-Bruce Timm
I always assumed the Joker was lying when he said he came up with the idea. I figured that was the joke, he stole the idea from the aristocratic crime family (who probably didn't have a world TV debut) and then pretended he made it up on his own. From a storytelling point of view, it would be the writers acknowledging that this Royal Flush Gang is a different version from the one seen in Batman Beyond, since they clearly have different backgrounds. But if we have to assume they are connected, your theory is as good as it'll get. Also, I assumed Batman encountered the real RFG after the end of JLU.
You're right that there's no evidence to prove they are separate gangs; it's just the assumption I made when I saw these episodes (It's funny to think of how furious the aristocratic family Royal Flush Gang would be to see their name co-opted by the madman Joker on global television). Prior to seeing your video, I didn't think there was any way to connect the two groups. I haven't seen the DCAU connected comics and web shows, so even if there was evidence to support my point of view, I wouldn't know about it.
I'd like to think that the JLU show runners would have seen the huge continuity error they created if they intended for the Joker's group to be same the Royal Flush Gang Bruce describes in the future. Bruce definitely seems to be describing a family that has been around far longer than a few decades and he doesn't mention the Joker connection. But then I think of that damn Yellow Batsuit (which I had never noticed until I saw your video) so they may have just goofed.
That said, does the possible existence of a second Royal Flush Gang adjust your timeline for Gotham Girls and change your answer about Killer Frost?
PS - Keep making awesome videos. Love the channel!
It's more than likely that the ones that Waller created probably have their genetic samples taken from the original gang that was probably largely disbanded after tangling with Batman.
The part of Joker thinking of the idea he probably knew one of the original members and chose an alternate card set.
You have Point It,s Something Joker Would Do,Between JLU and Batman Beyond You have Time to Go through ther Other suits.
Good point
Mattie singing the intro theme is like the best thing ever! "Because it's Thursday!"
Yes. Thank god!
Back in BB when Bruce said he recognized the Flush Gang, I always assumed it was a BTAS episode I missed. It’s been eating away at me since the JL episode
"Now this is where it's starts to get interesting."
No this is where I need a Sat-Nav because I'm so lost.
It could also be one of the other original royal flush gang members. Like maybe Queen from Joker's gang married into an aristocratic British family of criminals and brought the name with he to the family. The flashback in wild cards showed she was blonde too and her personality fits. Plus she gets to keep her title.
From Joker's gang, Queen is presumed dead. She was knocked unconscious less than a minute before the building blew up when Joker tried to kill Hawkgirl and Green Lantern.
Jack and 10 from Joker's Gang were captured, and Ace died not long afterward, as depicted in "Epilogue."
That just leaves King, who did escape and could have re-founded the Royal Flush Gang.
I found myself wondering about the ever mysterious Royal Flush Gang and remembered your channel existed but I was like there's no way they did one of those, I mean not even these guys are that into it, AND THEN YOU FREAKING HAVE THE VIDEO ON YOUR CHANNEL AND I LOVE YOU GUYS
You underestimate our power.
My personally interpretation was that joker had his royal flush gang adopt their aesthetic in order to mess with them, considering his disgust with gangsters and professional criminals
That's honestly kind of genius
As a fan of this channel for some reason I felt so betrayed, when the guy sanged over the intro and talked over Batman's Thursday saying 🤣🤣🤣💔🎶
Do doo doo doo do do doo doo doo do do doo do do do do Because it’s Thursday!
SupaCoopa 999 I was expecting the “Because it’s Thursday” line to be voiced by the voice of Terry McGinnis since it’s beyond related
This is a neat Idea, but I just assumed that the Family Gang were still in Britain until maybe 20 years before Batman Beyond. I guess it's possible the 10 from Ace's gang married into the British family, though.
i also don't think 10 spoke so we wouldn't know if she was british.
Watched again after reading the latest Legacies issue. Really great to see this theory brought to life.
Here's an idea
What if the Royal Flush gang never existed in the past and were called something else. Then when Joker made his own after it happened the "family gang" decided to use that name for themselves.
Could Gotham girls have happened after the JLU episode
The Royal Flush Gang makes "their world debut" in "Wild Cards." We have no reason to believe this is not the first time the Royal Flush Gang has ever existed, and this seems to have been the intention of the writers. Therefore, at least Season 3 of "Gotham Girls" must take place after this episode.
I don't have a problem with the Royal Flush gang starting off as an unrelated mixture of meta-humans and turning into a generational dynasty. A lot of organisations that respect their traditions and lineages started with humbler beginnings and over time began to take on different aspects. Violent street gangs become Mob families that put a front of respectability while still benefiting from the legacy of their predecessors' crimes.
Thank you for taking the brain pain for the team. Great video as always.
Loved the intro voiceover!! Kevin's great and all, but he doesn't do the music too XD
Nitro Vision it is, yes. She’s my favorite character.
Pretty decent Bale voice though haha
best dcau channel
@Non-Ugandan Knuckles name some cause really this channel answers all my questions so i really love these
I loved the intro voice over Mattie it was hilarious and entertaining as well.
Random thought of the day.
The time line video that mentioned this was forever ago but the "plasma rifles" that came before that 2005 stamped statue could have just been first gen guns and the famed rifle brand could be a more powerful/more accurate version.
At the end of "Wild Cards" King is the only member of the "Club" gang left unaccounted for. Jack and 10 are both captured, Queen is presumed dead, and Ace escapes but dies not long afterward as per "Epilogue." King could easily be the father of the Batman Beyond-era Queen (making him Melanie's grandfather). If you want to work in the "Spade" gang that Ace briefly formed, we could easily say that when King was re-founding the Royal Flush Gang he might have recruited some of those members. It is possible, though not necessary, that 10 might have been Melanie's grandmother.
5 years later and yes I did wonder how these guys choice be connected.
An idea that was discarded by the writers is that there would be a Batgirl for Terry's Batman, a partner that would also serve a love interest with whom he would share his life as a hero, the idea was dismissed but part of it was used in Ten, since she is the "love interest of Batman" While Terry has Danna.
batman beyond seems to imply the royal flush gang has been around for over 30 to 50 years. So the cadmus and walker gang could be two seperate entities.
It bugs me SO MUCH that neither of the present day Royal Flush Gangs was related to the Walker family.
The Watchtower Database boys should review the D.C. universe streaming app
That MAY just be the topic of Monday’s podcast episode... 🤔
(It is.)
here's one of the interesting things about the Royal Flush Gang. Their membership has fluctuated over the years, having eight different people as members over the years, so I don't see it as far-fetched that the DC Animated Universe have multiple Royal Flush Gang.
How did Dick Grayson’s robin’ suit change from green to black and perfectly fits Tim Drake? That plot hole always annoyed me 😂😂
Two different suits, one for young boy Dick (probably Tim's size) and another that we saw in The Animated Series
AwesomeGicks but didn’t dick become robin as an adult tho? And Tim said something about how the red and black robin suit was the original.
@@noodles_studios No, Dick became Robin as a child in the show just as he did in the comics. That line is just to say that Dick has had more than one suit within his time as Robin, and the one he wore in college wasn't his original.
I don’t think that’s the case because 1st they weren’t allowed to make robin young so they aged him into being robin like 19-21 And 2nd in the lost years comic book Dick returns the green suit to Bruce so why would he use the red and black instead of the green and red suit Dick mostly used?
@@noodles_studios Dick only used it as a child, as it was built FOR A CHILD.
He of course upgraded the suit as he got older to fit his more masculine needs.
I’m sure this has come up over the years since this video, could Grant Walker from the BTAS episode Deep Freeze be the father or grandfather of Beyonds King Walker?
Wait shouldn’t there be 4 different royal flush gangs
Each representing the 4 different symbols in a beck of cards
Spades, hearts, clubs, and diamonds
Ya’d think
There should be, but we've only seen the spade and club versions.
Also, even if it was due to a goof, I'm real excited about your new set up, Mattie! :D
Speaking of the 7th RFG, how came they have Hearts as opposed to Spades or Clubs?
Glad to hear! :D
Maybe with the new set you can get those Marvel books out of my DCAU video!
Or better yet, double down, have only marvel books and do all your videos dressed like Spider-Man. Make it unique
Or best yet, infinity down, and make a separate channel all about Marvel animation and call it Avengers Tower Database
@@manof2moro thats a good idea watchtower database
I was doing the jingle and batman line with the video as usual and then some other person in the screen rudely interrupted. xp
Also 7 families, oof. gg
I’ve always wondered about this for years now lol. Thanks for giving it some insight 😎
Actually the original Royal Flush Gang in the Justice League series are all the same voice actors of the Teen Titans, so you may say that they are a precursor to the Teen Titans series.
The 10 from Ace’s Royal Flush Gang’s appearance is a reference to Bo Derek in the movie 10. However it could also be a tongue and cheek nod to Melanie.
Your theory seems pretty solid to me.
"Their both Blond" Coincidence? I think *NOT!*
DON’T BERNIE ME
The queen from the Cadmus Gang has a resemblance to the Walker women.
To be honest the whole thing was confusing till the epilogue royal flush gang might be the start of the royal flush gang in type Batman beyond universe
4:24 I love that scene
Thursday yay
7:24 The King looks like Marvel's MODOK a bit.
Yep! We brought that up in our Marvel References videos!
Intro music is funny
This guy has great energy!
He found it out gee golly gosh he actuality found it out
I have the complete series of Batman Beyond on DVD. Haven't started because if I do, I fear I will not see the light of day again.
Without fail I laugh my butt off
This guy is such a fun-energy person. He reminds me of me
There is one "True" Royal Flush gang, others borrow the stitch, the gang is bigger than just one five man crew, each crew uses different Suits.
So this was the end of this set. And now there's no more of the other. But are they the same "basement," even though they're different places?
And were they both basement apartments or does that make the joke that much better?
9:12 *maybe im just overthinking it*
That is literally what this entire channel is based on lol. But it still gives us some compelling content.
Mattie thanks for ruining my new favorite theme song 😂❤️
the Beyond Exposition Flashback introducing them implies that the Walker's Criminal history predates
Batman's Career, which means that whoever among the Epilogue Gang would have been a member of the Family already and that really opens up the door for any of them to have been a 'Black sheep' who was kicked out
King for who knows what
Queen being into Drag (Alternative Lifestyles are still not tolerated in some circles)
Jack for being Black (Look at the attention Markle got for marrying into the Monarchy)
10 for being a Junkie (face it her de-powered form looks kind of strung out)
to the Hair Color Point... maybe her arrest provided that catalyst to get clean and she eventually went back and grew to be the new Matriarch...
- or this gang was simply a stray branch on the Family Tree
If you think Big Picture
if Gang A is
King: Dad
Queen: Mom
Jack: Son
10: Daughter in law
Ace: Hired Muscle
which begets Gang B
King = Jack A
Queen = 10 A
Jack = Son B
10= Daughter B
Ace = 3rd Cousin twice removed Fred
Come time for Gang C
Does Jack B become King as per Male Birthright?... or Does 10 B become the Queen because she's Older?... or Fred Gets an ego and simply Names himself the New King
at that point barring an edict from up the Family Tree you could have 3 wholly distinct Gangs in circulation each with some claim to the lineage
Theres a cowboy version of them in brave and the bold
Holy fuck.
That means... Terry's little brother is ALSO THE SON OF BATMAN?!?!!?!
#KeepEpilogueASecret
Wyatt was the name of the "other guy" in Weird Science and Chet was his bullying big brother. Kinda funny
I've watched this video several times and each time I feel like I'm drunk as he explains it. It's not his explanation. It's the story.
You should talk bout da Royal Flush Gang in Justice League: Doom.
Mattie! Been too long but i accept the Walker Family blonde dynamic!
Or maybe The ones in justice league series I’m not really related to the actual ones we saw in Batman beyond probably took the name royal flush gang it is my opinion
I know Epilogue I have seen it and know the story for over a decade
Aye new video!!!!
You didn't warn me!
I need to know!!! Have you built the new set yet? If so, does it look as good?
Well, at least we didn't talk about incest.
How did the joker recover from Ace destroying his mind?
We may never know 🤷🏼♀️
Watchtower Database But aren't you guys supposed to know?
We can only know whatever information is given to us! Dwayne McDuffie said (I believe around 2005) that he was “sure the Joker would recover from his drubbing at Ace’s hands and bedevil Batman many more times before that final battle,” referring of course to the “Return of the Joker” flashback. We had some fun plans for our “Legacies of the DCAU” comic concerning this, but the prequel “Harley Quinn and Batman” comic kinda threw it out the window. Oh, well.
Watchtower Database Thanks for the answer.
No problem!
Can you theorize how brainiac reproduced considering he fused with darkseid who himself was fused into source wall
That likely wasn’t the only copy of Brainiac out there, and also Bruce Timm has said Darkseid did not in fact fuse with Brainiac.
Wyatt is a weird science reference.
Dope video
The Ten in wild Cards is blond because she is suspose to look like actress Bo Derek in the 1979 movie 10
Yep, doesn’t change the fact that she’s blonde 🤷🏼♀️
Rather they just had pictures and no face showing.
I thought Ace died? Help me out here.
Ace in “Justice League Unlimited” did, yes. That’s the original Royal Flush Gang, in modern day (well, technically the episode where she dies is a later team that she is still on). The RFG teams discussed in the majority of this video are the ones from 30-40-ish years later, the “Batman Beyond” era.
@@dcauwatchtower Thank you for the quick response. I have to get all collections and watch them. So many references meeting up together. The death of Ace was one of the most well done episodes in animation.
The epilogue Drag Queen need not be discounted as a Walker member. He is also blond and could be a cousin. There is a resemblance between future 10 and Epilogue 10 as well but she seems a little old to go on and mother future members she could be a old member or extended family of the Walkers.
Also, drag queens are not necessarily gay (or necessarily straight if "she" was a full transsexual).
I think Bruce Timm wanted Terry to be Bruce's clone from the start, but didn't directly tell anyone until later. I think even Terry's appearance was deliberately based on early depictions of young Bruce, the same way Blight was based on Dr. Phosphorus. ultimatebatmancomicswebsite.weebly.com/uploads/8/8/8/1/8881913/_9160560_orig.jpg
#KeepEpilogueASecret
Sorry.
Oh shit I didn't know this was new.
you should do a what if teen titans beyond happend who would be on it #keepepilogueasecret also #robin beyond should be in continuity
If you need to resort to comedy to keep audiences interested, the contents of the video probably aren't very interesting.
Subject matter is interesting, host is annoying.
Nah, I'm just projecting my insecurity on to you.
*early*