LFM needs to change this. Don’t be this guy.
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- LFM Paul Ricard. I qualified in split 2 and I was shocked at the poor quality of the driving. There must be ways to improve Low Fuel Motorsport? I have some thoughts.
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Completely agree Robin!! I sit with ELO of 972 but my SR is 9.1 you can just imagine the type of racers I encounter
Cheers Anton. Makes qualifying in top five vital. Then a sigh of relief when you make it through the first corner/lap. See you out there.
Yeah I did a few races on LFM and I do understand how the ELO works. But it's a bit painful dropping your ELO to correct level. I'm still on too high an ELO ( 1200 ) for my skill at ACC, which is very low. All I did before I moved on to other sims/systems is stay out of everyones way and stay at the back. I was in split 2 for my first race, which was nuts. I should be in split 6 or 7. I don't, however, have a solution. In the end I got tired of people just driving through me as if I wasn't there and gave up.
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This is one thing Gran Turismo 7 actually does right, splits are sorted first by SR, then by ELO rating.
I am also quite fond of the way they implement the ‘slow down’ penalty.
The nature of ELO means that if you started new people at 1000, you would need to add the other 500 ELO somewhere if you still wanted the average ELO to be 1500. It's not as simple as just starting them lower.
It really is that simple but there needs to be willingness from LFM to massage and refine the system. No rookie should be dropped into a high split straight after getting their license. Of course there are exceptions but on the whole it seems to make that first few races, that first season, not the best experience. There has to be a better way to onboard rookies than letting them sink or swim. Sadly, the majority that sink pull down lots of others with them. I do not blame them but the system. To qualify for a license run you have to hit a certain SA level. This should continue through that first season longer than it does now. Self improvement shouldn’t end after the first six races it should continue for the full twelve. There are no real rights or wrongs here just ideas to try and make things better for everyone. Thanks for your input.
@@BongoRacing oh I don't disagree at all, just wanted to point out that ELO alone isn't the solution.
One option could be to hold back their 500 and make them earn it over time. That way the ELO baseline stays at 1500 but they don't get access to higher splits immediately.
Splitting by SR is an option, but then slower but safer drivers get constantly put in splits with faster drivers. Not much fun.
@@DavidHutchesonI'm yet to try a split session and haven't because I don't want to impeed others but at the same time a good chance to see their driving lines to improve
Yellow flag means SLOW DOWN! This is done so the other drivers approaching can avoid making contact with the spun car or stopped car.. it's also done so the car off the track can rejoin easier without having to wait 45 seconds lol.
Unfortunately no one in ACC actually slows down for Yellow flags thus these types of accidents happen constantly!
The funny thing is, it will happen racing the AI also... That's why you slow down when you look at the map and see a yellow car and Yellow flag pops up on your dash board.
IRL you can be disqualified for not slowing down. Just ask Super GT who was DQ'ed from the 24hr at Nurb a couple days ago for not slowing down thru a safety zone during practice
Perfect
After watching this i had to subscribe ❤. I get what you mean by noobs with low clode to close CLEAN RACING its rough. Im gonna enjoy this channel as i also have the odd rage moment 😅
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I’m in the top split on LFM and I’d have to agree to a certain extent. During the less busy times of day, we get guys who should be in lower splits in our races, and it’s tough to race against them especially cause a lot of them move under braking.
Thank you. It’s a difficult one. They’re is no perfect solution just the hope that as people progress in speed they learn some racecraft.
@@BongoRacing agreed, perhaps some sort of intermediate class above rookies and below general races would work best
@@hughjainisis1683 Rookie, Am, Pro. Like the sound of that.
Claim:
"LFM needs to adjust the starting ELO to a 1000 to make the races better."
Reality:
ELO is based on a starting point of 1500.
You are just slightly below this.
If starting ELO would be 1000, you would be just slightly below 1000!
ELO is a closed zero-sum system! ELO gained by someone, must be lost by someone else!
With lower starting ELO, the position of the drivers with each other will be the same, only the ELO numbers will differ and the spacing would be tighter!
You would still be driving against the same people!
There is obviously the same amount of new drivers, that drive better than you, as there is the same amount of new drivers driving worse than you!
For every driver that "does not quite have the experience yet", there is a equal amount of drivers that has more experience!
That's why you sit slightly below the starting ELO and still would be if the starting ELO would be different!
I’m sure you’re really popular at parties. It’s pretty simple, drivers in their first season should not be dropped into splits they are not ready for.
And I am pretty sure that you have not yet understood the principle behind an ELO system.
You are the one that has not left the starting realm of all the other drivers!
@@r.t.982 I have managed to get my poor thick head around it thank you. You miss the mark entirely and subtly have multiple digs but, you do you. Let’s go back to the incident. I ‘now’ would sit and wait until it was safe to rejoin. I’ve learnt that through experience over three seasons. He/she did not wait. I hope that with direction and positive input, in future, this person will do the right thing. Thank you for your input. It is much appreciated.
Let's go back to the incident:
While the driver with 20 races that "does not quite have the experience yet, and should not be dropped into this split" is to blame for not holding the brakes long enough, the driver with +100 races and three seasons of experience is to blame for completely ignoring yellow flags!
Already one, two, three, four, five, six other drivers were able to pass the car, that's how long there was already yellow!
Despite being flashed with bright yellow for more than five seconds, the experienced driver does absolutely nothing except focusing on the Ferrari buddy and keeping the throttle pinned in what is one of the fastest turns in this game, until it is to late.
@@r.t.982 Thank you for your attention.
I think these boys seriously lack any discipline. Their real lives are probably just as tragic. This is nothing new. Happens across all sims and all platforms. "I'm annoyed because I got taken out. Let me throw a tantrum and ruin another drivers race. If I cant win. No one will"
Yup, I have teenagers like this.
Just had the same Situation happening to me in the Last race today, sometimes i really ask me WT* are people thinking to pull such a move...
Yup, there should be Darwin Awards for these folk.
imho the issue is that the risk (losing SR) is not greater than the reward (gaining ELO) in the eyes of the offenders. There needs to be a much heavier penalty for causing an incident - so that it really impacts someones SR AND ELO and thus its the last thing anyone would want. At present its a small percentage and someone could easily do this every other race in an attempot to gain ELO with little to no consequence. SR needs to be as important in the eyes of these idiots as ELO.
In addition rookies should stay rookies until SR 6.0 and I love your idea of every promotee having their ELO set to 1000 (if currently >1000) to ensure they bed themselves in.
LFM just dont seem to care about safe driving.
I hear ya. People will complain that ‘their’ accident wasn’t intentional and that they feel unfairly punished but I think on the whole it would balance out. Accidents with competitive and fair drivers happen. Accidents with reckless, inconsiderate drivers happen more often. Good points all, thank you.
LFM used to remove ELO for penalties alongside SR, but a while ago they changed this to be only SR, just harsher on SR - Original reasoning was that incidents don't neccesarily mean the driver is of any worse skill and therefore shouldn't lose ELO - While this had some merit at the time I think the point has been made since that people are happy to sacrifice SR to gain ELO and it definitely should be reverted - As mentioned, genuine accidents should be balanced out.
@@AzureGoat Spot on. Thanks.
There's a natural pull to win, to prove you're faster, better than other, to be able to imagine yourself that guy. LFM tries to outweight SR to ELo but we are made in such a way that we nevr want to backoff etc etc. Sim developer, communities, drivers, everyone MUST do more in order to have pure clean respectful racing. Close racing is really difficult, most of us don't know how to do it, but what I see is there are rare race incidents and a lot more habits that make no sense. None prepares a pass, none accepts to wait, none is willing to induce in errors, they just learn how to hit you, then you have to throw 10min in the garbage (nultiplied for all the times someone hits you) to make a video, and throw to waste your SR, your race and somehow get abused...
@@AzureGoat I can add to that that driving first and foremost safely makes you slower. If you only pass when there's no chance for contact, after preparing the pass, giving it the right time then you become slower in absolute terms than running into people.
Why wouldn’t he reverse? If someone is going off the track in that area and hits him I don’t think they should get angry with this guy. Personally I just don’t see a good reason to cross the track when trying to rejoin. Ever
I did my best to avoid and would have if he hadn’t moved forward. If he had have reversed at the same point he would have whacked the other guy. His race was done at that point and a few seconds more waiting would not have made a pick of difference. Controlling the red mist is something you have to learn.
Fun video!
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@@BongoRacing Thanks man! That's very kind 😄
I totally agrre with the comments and your video.
I also was under the impression that lfm was for the better drivers but indeed they can drive fast but not race.
If there was a way that lfm could take those f@#€%&^!g losers out it would be nice
Up against the wall at dawn sort thing. Hopefully a more balanced solution can be found without personal injury. Well, giving them a swift kick in the gonads might make me feel better.
@@BongoRacing that sounds right for me
He's wrong for not stopping until it's safe, but it looks like he's reacting to you and the ferrari coming side by side and actually looks like he "saves" the ferrari by moving foward.
Also want to add that I agree with the guy longer down, you're not reacting properly to the yellow flag. It's funny how you're critical but you have the same "I need to be faster" mentality or simply lack of awareness.
Thanks. You put your foot on the brake and sit until it’s safe to move. By moving and saving another guy doesn’t make it any better. You need predicability not guess work. As far as the yellow goes…..maybe but it’s the fastest approach to any corner on the circuits we race on. 130R would be close to this. The the yellow was up seconds before I met that crazy situation. I’m ok with what I did. Foot on the brake until safe is a lesson we can all take from this. Thank you for your reply.
Want to join discord, but just keeps sending me to ones I’m in, and not yours?😊
Rob, don't know whats happening here. I've tried it and and brings me to the correct place. If you're still having trouble send me an email and I'll get you sorted.
Is this ACC on all low settings?
Must be running on a ZX Spectrum. I’m sure it’s hurting your poor eyes.
LFM needs to do a lot better. The more competitive the more testosterone the more aggressiveness. It's common to see drivers that don't have a respectful code, they don't back off, the use you as guardrail etc etc...
You're right. It's a hard balance. We have a responsibility to be respectful to other 'serious' racers just as they have to be more creative in how they police it. I've mentioned before that I do like the GT7 'slow-downs' along with double strength penalties for back to back race infringements, tie ELO and safety ratings back together or my favourite, pull a tooth out for every crash caused.
@@BongoRacing I like the pull the tooth out idea :D
What is LFM? I know LFS, but LFM?
I’ll bite. Low Fuel Motorsport. It’s a free service that runs alongside ACC and Race Factor 2. Daily races, endurance and championships. It’s a great service.
@@BongoRacing I appreciate the response and info, thanks alot! Sounds cozy and wonderful! If just I had the time...
@@stenovitz Come join the Bongo Racing guys. All older fellows with busy lives and limited time. We make the most of the time we have improve and manage a laugh or two.
sim like you got no patience , he did wrong but you almost brake your pc screen , did you
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Apology or not, report him. I know I would.
too many id...s on that servers.....
Now now. Some of them even have fathers.
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It grows on you. Quite enjoy it now.