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Maxxis Minion DHF vs DHR II (One Of Them Is Clearly Better)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2024
- Over the years mountain bike tire designs have changed but not as much as some would think. Whether it’s placebo or an actual performance gain, it seems everyone has their go to tire and Worldwide Founder Jeff Cayley is no exception. In this installment, Jeff shares his personal experience and opinion on two of the most popular Maxxis MTB tires, the Minion DHF and the DHR II. Although the DHR 2 tread pattern is intended to be a rear only tire it has become fairly popular to run it as a front tire as well. The debate for which tires tread pattern, rubber compound, or lug size gives better traction as a front tire will probably continue. We follow Jeff around the shop as he interviews some of our employees in this Maxxis tire comparison to see which of these trail/enduro options is the best MTB tire for you! Are one of these tires the best or is one just better for you?
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Maxxis DHF or DHRII - Which do you prefer?
DHF Front and Rear!!!
Can't tell the difference 😂😂😂
Assegai in the front and DHF in the rear.
So I've used both front and rear - winter time DHR2 wins as it clears better, and for me, it has better wet grip which means here in the UK it could be on all year! Having said that when it really dries out last last summer I run DHFWT front and 2.3 rear! So Basically undecided..........
on an AM / Enduro rig, no questions DHR II is one of the best tire for the rear, in most terrain conditions, also durable. On the front I feel that DHF has more grip, specially when u hard corner, its an special condition, the DHR II definitely brakes faster, for some reason does way better than the DHF. In a bike park I guess it would be better dhf and dhr in natural trails
Great video! Humorous and informative. It was nice hearing multiple opinions from everyone
I thought DHF stands for Down Hill Front and DHR for Down Hill Rear. 🤔
That's adorable
Haha so did I
Same here (DHR for rear and DHF for front). That's how my bike came straight from factory. Actually if you look at the lugs the F is for steering and R is for braking / accelerating.
Thats exactly what it stands for.. some people have been running one for both front and rear for some reason
That’s actually correct. However both are excellent for either end
Man you guys are just bettering better and better. You mix fun and interesting facts in every video. This video was so much fun and I truly love your attitude and it shows that you all have a great time at work. Thumbs up, hat off.....etc.......
We love helping people have fun on bikes! Makes the job easy. Thank you for watching! :)
That was a phenomenal video. Informative and funny as hell. Nice work boys!
These Worldwide Cyclery videos are super informative and educational and funny! Love 'em!
ha! love the intro. I almost clicked buy on the DHF after the first 15 seconds with the clear, strong endorsement :)
I run the combo, DHF in the front, DHR rear tire. Both are 27.5x2.80 and tubeless. One of the best upgrades i ever made on a bike.
@@moa-wg3bo its a 27.5+ tire
Yes sir ! Same here
are the rims hookless / do you know if they work well with hookless?
@@raszmo I run the same tires, and I run hookless rims and they do fine. My wheels have a deep drop center and a little tubeless shelf, I can pull them on and off without levers super easy, and then set them with a normal bike pump by just tugging the sidewalls over onto the shelf a bit.
For some reason all my buddies need levers and a compressor to swap tires. I can't complain.
Man these videos are entertaining. The editing is hilarious, content is super useful. Keep em coming.
Just watched this video and then noticed that the DHF and DHR2 combo I have saved in my ebay cart is you guys. Lol
I rode DHF for over 3000 miles and loved it. I just mounted the DHRII and took it for a short ride. First impression was that it felt like it cornered better and the bike felt more nimble. Will do some more extended rides and submit my findings at a later time.
you never submitted findings even after a year
How did it turn out?
@@4ndyr0g3r50n i had on highroller ii on my bike and they were great but last year I switched to dhr on both wheels and it felt a whole lot better
I too would like to know what your findings were
DHF front, DHRII rear. 👌 I definitely felt like the DHF didn't have the initial grab when pedaling and braking that the DHRII has. The DHF definitely likes to change direction faster with it's angled center knobs though. 27.5x2.6" F/R.
the DHF gives a nice grip, so i decide to put it on front tire. the DHR with harder rubber allows to slide a bit and thats what i want on the rear tire. in my condition, the DHF on front and DHR on rear makes a good job.
By Failed do you mean he had or didnt have drugs in his body?
What is your guess?
Failed for not having enough drugs in his body lol
@@WorldwideCyclery didn't
Safety Break
Failed for not having bud.
I friggin love Jeff’s sense of humor, using a dropper with a mic and his little waddle walking towards people
haha! Glad you loved the video. :)
I will always love you guys
I recently rode an Ardent 2.4 on the front and now an Ardent Race 2.35 on front, I honestly don't feel a significant difference between the two although I do feel more comfortable with more tread up front. I think it's more subjective than most riders think, but it's great seeing some rubber up front reassuring you of some grip in those Oh Sh*t moments. Cool video, love the comedic movie relief clips thrown in :)
6:14 my favorite park about the manitou markhour is the color of the steerer tube 😂
Bought the DFRII's on your recommendation, did my first ride on them today on Los Robles trail and wow what a great tire! Thanks man these are the perfect SoCal tire for our conditions.
Great to hear that!
I run both DHR 2 front and rear also, not on purpose though.....it was all that was available in 2.4 at the time I was putting my Frankenbike together. I love them, first ride (coming from Panaracer DH with tubes) I was super stoked on how well they just worked, not just cornering but overall everything, super tacky, tough, light, tubeless.....👊👊👊🤘🤘🤘🤘👍👍👍
Great reviews and going around asking the boys brilliantly done 👍👍😁😁❤
Runnin' DHF II 29x3.0 front and rear on my Trek Stache, and it's flippin' awesome! They've got traction for days!
My 2019 Giant Trance Advanced 2 , came with 2.4 High Roller 2 (Rear) and 2.5 High Roller 2 (Front), carbon wheels. threw some cushcore in there. It feels like a dream. no slip. lotta grip. I had 2.6 DHR in front on my last bike which was sick.. I really wanna try a 2.5 DHR2 in rear and 2.6 DHF in front after these tires wear.
High roller gang
I feel the opposite I feel really washy on my trance with the high rollers that’s why I’m thinking of switching
this channel is seriously undersubscribed! great video.
Go-to front was always DHF...then couldn’t get stock when I needed to change the tyre, so tried a DHRII...now my go-to tyre! Can’t go wrong with either, really, but I feel the DHRII just grips better, especially when changing direction. It also works year-round on my trails in the UK, solid in dry, wet, damp etc. Use it in 3C MT compound. Run a dual compound High-Roller II on rear, awesome combo 🤘🏻
For me it is more about a 2.4 vs a 2.5 inch tire. Interestingly, I have a very accurate scientific scale that I use for cooking, brewing, and weighing bike parts, and I had a DHR II WT 2.4 and a DHF 2.5 WT. The DHF was actually slightly lighter. (Makes me wonder about variations from tire to tire in the manufacturing process) I decided to go with the 2.5s front and back and have loved it.
The video has it all, hostile work environment, inappropriate physical contact (the man-boob grab) and clearly you don't heat the place! 🤣🤣🤣🤣😋😋
Oh yeah both tired are great but I am diggin the new WTB's though!
"and clearly you don't heat the place!" Priceless, my thoughts exactly.
Meh, Maxxis has better casings and tread patterns, get out.
AZDirtLife yeh you saw the fingerless gloves too then!
Nice putting faces to the crew. Shout out to Zack ,rocking the dual head phones and still getting it done, he hooked me up with a special order part I had trouble finding.
Awesome video!!! Subscribed
Ardent rear and high roller II up front ... granted I live in Florida but still, love this combo when I head to the mountains (unless its crazy muddy)
Farve probably had the best answer. Truth is that the front tire and the rear tire have different duties (for the most part). Lateral grip is favored on the front. Contact patch is favored on the rear. Running the same tire front and rear can work if you're on really aggressive terrain. I'd say that neither of these tires are the best everywhere, but swapping in the Aggressor in the rear should yield better performance on more terrain types since it aligns more with what the rear wheel should do...but then again, all of this can be considered completely subjective, and riding style, terrain, tire pressure all matter.
You guys are nuts. Love the vids!
DHF on the front, and DHR ii on the rear.
Love to hear how the Assagai fits into the spectrum.
I have these tires on my E bike and absolutely love them, extremely tough tires with loads of grip.
My YT Jeffsy came with Onza Ibex tyres, I'm delighted with them! Find them really grippy in the wet and are fast rolling!
Adriano 87 The YT Jeffsy could have Marshmallows for tires and still be awesome, though.
my bmc came with those too, rode those tires for two years an just bought maxis tires, i wanna see the difference
DHF up front and DHRII in the rear. Although thinking of trying the SS version when summer comes .
Another for the DHR2 in back and E13 TRSr front. Funny video btw. Was fun to watch.
really liking this 2.5 dhf 3c exo WT /2.5 aggressor WT combo right now. heavy, but it has all the grip.
It's the best!
Josiah Bateman try 2.5 wt shorty 3c front & 2.4 wt dhr2 for wetter/ winter setup 👍 great grip
I have DHF up front and Aggressor on back. Got DHR for xmas, but haven't put it on, yet. I have ridden a bike down a DH trail with DHF on both front and back. Wasn't a fan with it on back. I feel it wasn't gripping as well as Aggressor on back. Looking forward to seeing the difference with DHR on back.
Great summary, lots of laughs, makes one feel a lot less dumb when trying to make up the mind as to which specific Tyre.
God dang these new bikes are beautiful. I designed dh bikes. I ride a Scott ransom carbon. It's great. But man have times really caught up. I just bought mid drive kit for it. These ebike are so awesome.
Your videos are great man!
Thank you!
Awesome vid. I would LOVE if MAxxis would make a 2.5 or 2.6 Ardent. The 2.4 Ardent at low PSI's is a great tyre.
This was awesome😂 just got the Dhr and i love them!
I loved the Panaracer Fire FR 2.4, it had so much grip and with the width it really looked like a motocross tire on the bike.
I miss those tires.
Me too, ran them forever. Need to find a suitable replacement... DHR or DHF looks similar.
DHR because R stands for racing! Ahahaha
Why does anyone think that :/
Been an untrue argument since the tires came out
Ah ha nah it's the dhf(downhill FAST) no clue about dhr
DHFast + DHRacing = super combo 😃😃😃
@@DidaHendaya lol that's whatsupp
DHF Downhill Front,DHR Downhill Rear.
Assegai front, DHRII rear. Love this combo!
conti der baron 2.4 front , maxxis high roller II 2.4 rear. great combo for the Irish winter
The diversity at worldwide cyclery is amazing. LOL.
Great vid. I’ve never put a dhr2 on the front but I think this’ll be the year boys.
I just put the Maxxis Minion FBR and FBF on my Mukluk and they are the best for sure!
Awesome vid as usual! Schwalbe for me; lighter, grippier without vagueness from shoulder sipe and rolls better.
Me too - but then Schwalbe overbuilt them so they are too heavy. So now I am forced to change to DHRII rear and DHF front.
I am willing to reconsider if they would make Magic Mary & Hans Dampf in Super Ground.
I just bought a DHF from you guys! I run DHF 2.6 front and DHF 2.5 rear though, no noticable differences from me! I like them because they last the longest for me.
Did you have dhr before ?
@@lejamesbron4055 I tried one but found that when I was dipping in the berms hard, I was slipping the back, I do more down hill so that's the only reason I run a DHF front and rear.
I am up for new ones. I also had a look at some of your other videos and decided to with Aggressor rear and DHR in front.
Excellent choice! Traction will be yours!
Dhr2 front and rear. Currently running the 2.6 up front. I agree with the slippage on the wider tires. More of a slip and stick. Going back to 2.4.
This summer ( I live in New Zealand ) I'm trying DHR2 front and Aggressor rear . So far I love this combo!
Shorty upfront in winter swapped to DHF for summer and HR2 on the back all year round.
Who remembers the old 26" Specialized Leader tire? I wanna see that come back in 2.4 and 2.6 wide in modern sizes.
Running a DHR II for the front and a Minion SS (semi-slick) for the rear.
Factory setup and it works fine for me.
Great video, you guys should try every tyre on a track, take times and we can see the difference
I just put the DHR II's on my bike because its an entry level hardtail and the I got 2.4s and the 2.5 DHF would have been too wide for my fork and also rims. Great Video!
I've been happy with my Spec. Butcher/Slaughter combo on my singlespeed mtb. My 18 Roscoe 8 will probably get Butchers front and rear when I finish wearing the factory Rons out.
Ran DHRII 29x3.0 front and back on my trek stache 9.8 and loved the traction and roll but hated the weight!!! Would love to see more options in the 3.0 world...
My Pivot Mach 6 came with dhf front and dhr2 rear but like you, I noticed the dhf slides and pushes too much around corners. Scary at times with leaves over hard pack. So I replace the front with dhr2, and sure enough grips better to me. Don’t really notice if the dhr2 is faster. I just want a tire that is predictable around fast corners. Cool you made this video, because most bikes come with both. And I didn’t like that combo. In fact I bought the dhr2 from you when it was on sale!!! Thanx!! 👍
I run either magic mary or dhf up front and either highroller 2 or dhr2 out back
The highroller n dhr seem like good rear options for bracking and when pedalling uphill in deep mud they seem to work like paddles
Front: DHF
Rear: Aggressor
ok good choice!
Well now I've got to try a dhr2 up front. Only used it in the rear and found I liked the aggressor better
Great, thank you for a video. I thought DHF is DownHill Front and DHR is DownHill Rear. I was mistaken. Now ordering 2 DHR. :)
great video
Always DHF front, but I switch it up on the rear. I've got DHF on my HD4 now but might try a DHR or Aggressor when that wears out. On my Following I'm running DHF front and Nobby Nic (OMG!) rear. Still undecided on that though, only got one ride on it.
Here I was think "R" stands for rear and "F" stands for front, until I got a new bike with a pair of DHR II's. Great tyres.
Looks like a very fun workplace.
Thank you for this video. My current nobby Knicks appear to be we came after only 500 miles. I’m interested to switch to Maxis but In your opinion, which is better in the front and which is better in the rear?
Good video. Thanks for the info. Just one question: if I put a DHR on my right rear wheel and a DHF on my left rear wheel, what tire do you recommend for my front wheel?
A car
Ultimate set up : Magic Mary on the Rear, DHF on the front ... In Alberta its usually pretty muddy and w. a DHF on the rear, youre asking for trouble.
I wanted to try the DHF DHRII combo but got lost on size/casings/etc when trying to order. Ended up with Bontrager SE4's and they're just ok. Not better than the Conti Trail Kings I had before. Bought a set of WTB's Trailboss to try next time I need tires. Will probably try the DHF in tan sidewall when the WTB's wear out....
Tire buying is not easy!!!
Always entertaining🤘
Wow Jeff, never knew you were the founder. Congrats.
Hey thanks Ben! I started the shop at age 21 :) it's been a lot of fun and we just turned 8 years old a couple days ago. If you want to learn a little more check out our About Us page - www.worldwidecyclery.com/pages/about-us
he's not only the owner, he's also a client
When he fires himself, he’ll back charge himself for said bikes
اليفهق٧ثيفم. ،ؤب ي
I currently run the DHF up front and an Aggressor in the rear. But after watching this video, I’m tempted to run the DHRII in the rear for less rolling resistance.
Which model dhr2 do you run in the front? Someone told me depends on the compound. I run DhF on the front because it feels like a faster roller. If they made a DhF 2.4 that would be awesome
I still ride my bike the way it came from your shop - DHRII front and back. Works pretty well in loose rocky terrain, but would try DHF in the front.
Dude! You're hilarious! Lmfao 😂 😂😂 😂, and i truly love your videos and I've waited on this video for along time! It's like you're reading my mind..lol, I guess that the DHF is tougher on rocky chunky sections. If I was to think about the perfect compo , it'd be DHF front and DHR rear!
Stoked that you were into this one! We appreciate you following our channel and for watching. :)
Love the vid and clip for the film bro 😂😂😂
Was hoping for this video
👏🏻good stuff, nice to see people having fun at work. I use both these tires front and rear so thanks for the additional info.
I *love* the pic behind Easton at 6:41
Farva has fingerless wool gloves and puffy vest, must have been under 65 degrees that day. 🤣
Not really, he's actually 65 years old.
I love their fucking sign on the wall at 7:53
Zero thing that require talent
-being on time
- effort
- energy
-passion
-doing extra
-work ethic
-body language
- attitude
- being coachable
- being prepared
GOOD FUCKING SHIT CEO / management!
Hell yeah!
@@WorldwideCyclery That's what I call fostering the right culture, none of this everyone gets a trophy we feel sorry for you shit :D
RESPECT!
DHRII front / Aggressor rear both 29x2.3 (Smug CF)
Omg the drug test part had me dying! Love your videos Jeff your hilarious man! Love word wide for my bike stuff!
Thank you!!
Yeah i practice using a dropper post to fight against bear in case encounter.
I you look at Maxxis website, the "Performance Ratings" have the DHF and DHRII like this, Rolling Speed: DHF 3/DHRII 2.5; Cornering Control: DHF 3.5/ DHRII 4; Braking Traction: DHF 2.5/DHRII 4. Thses numbers are correct - I triple checked. So by Maxxis's admission, the DHRII is the slower rolling, better cornering, and better braking tire although everyone uses it in back. And, I've read that the "R" stands for "Rear" while the "F" stands for "Front"). It sure does seem like the DHF makes a better rear while the DHRII a better front. What am I missing?
For me the DHF works under a wider range of trail conditions. Ain't that what mountain biking is about? Just keep going, don't stress too much about setup, just ride! DHF rules! For me an mtb can be ridden almost anywhere and on almost anything. That's why I love the DHF.
I’m usually a Schwalbe tyres guy. Magic Mary front and Nobby Nic rear. But. This week I’ll be trying a DHR2 front and Rikon rear. See how that goes
Never ridden Maxxis, maybe I should try. Schwalbe (harder to spell) MM front and rear but am switching the rear for a Hans Dampf to see how that runs.
Recently put a DHF with the 3c compound on my 27.5...LOVED it! Sooo sticky! Swapped my 29er to the DHF and mistakenly got the non-3c. Noticeably less tack. Any thoughts? Oh, both front tires😁
They'll have the 29 x 2.5 EXO in 3C MaxxGrip for '19. There's also a MaxxTerra that's harder, but available now. You can get Maxxgrip in DH casing only right now.
Thanks
Thought the DHF was designed as a front time (elongated lugs for rolling) and the DHR was designed as the rear (horizontal lugs for braking)?
Agreed.
Thats how I run em
me too
dhr2 has better braking for sure , but 75% of brake load goes on the Front wheel so i run Dhr2 at both ends. exact same side lugs as dhf so same cornering
Both tires have an amazing amount of traction on hard pack when leaned over. I noticed the dhr did not corner as well until it was learned over, but braked better. Probably best to run the dhf up front until it gets steeper were you need more braking.
The dead zone on the dhr before leaning it over made it feel weird as a front. This is also why I don't like semi slicks.
Are you sure you're not mixing them up? Because the DHF is well known for a dead zone, there's basically an empty channel between the middle and center lugs. You have to lean the DHF over more to get grip. The DHR has no such channel so grip is more consistent. See this video at the 3.20 mark th-cam.com/video/ylZFYb26Rz0/w-d-xo.html
DHF front, aggressor rear it’s a nice combo ran tubeless on the Schwinn Axum once you get used to trusting the side lugs it’s dreamy
Dude, thank you so much !!!
This video was GOLD
haha thank! We Love GOOOOOOLLD
DHF front and rear...always like old skool my racing years Panaracer smokes and Darts and sometimes smoke lites 😃👍
i guess you are right, if you are already buying any of these 2...no matter what you buy , you are already making a gr8 choice!!!!
Exactly!