Maxxis Minion Review | DHRII vs. DHF | The Loam Wolf
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We're sure that pretty much anyone who's ridden a mountain bike with 160mm of travel or more has spent time on the Maxxis Minion combo. Most people have probably only ridden the Minion DHR II on the back though, and in this test we put the DHR II on the front of our Canyon Sender downhill bike to see how it compares to the DHF.
There are some major differences and some major similarities but overall felt the DHR II is a solid tire option and will serve SOME riders better as a front tire. Find out what type of terrain, conditions and rider types may actually like the DHR II as a front tire more than the DHF.
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Great review! Would love to see a similar review for the Assegai.
The double ass setup gets my vote for maximum traction
Agreed would love to see the Assguy review, but in general this has been my experience as well. I tried a DHF this time around and I don’t love it as much as I did the DHR2 on the front. Confirm I mostly ride loose over hard.
@@houseofdyer Dhf is for hard surfaces, hard packed dirt, roots, rocks slabs. Loose conditions try the high roller over even the shorty if it’s really loose.
You got too love a tire review. With my OCD it's so hard for me to run two different tires, even if it would help with grip. But then again my Dad has always told me that I'm special haha. Thanks for the video.
Haha. Right on well thanks for the comment and now you know you can run two matching tires AND get 15% off when you buy them! win win.
I run a DHF on the front and DHRII on the rear, for me I will never change that combo. Great review, thank you.
I've got the DHF front and back love the grip. Once again great review cheers.
Great info. I do ride with DHR II front and rear and love it.
Thank you 100x for your explanation regarding timid riders. That’s me especially on turning.
clear explanation unlike other channels so much adlibs just to look cool. You kept it simple and direct. Thanks
Glad you liked it!
Finally, a definitive answer to the age old question...thanks. I wonder if the DHF dead zone is not so pronounced on the front wheel because the wheel is turning, so the angle allows the outer and inner knobs to be in contact simultaneously, and as you lean into the apex the inner bite grips allowing you to slingshot out of the corner.
DHR II front and Dissector (or Rekon for even faster but less traction) is a killer combo, love it!
I literally just put this exact combo on my 29er
just done that too after DHF front, DHR2 rear... loving the DHR2 up front so far. nice to have that small vague angle gone. Still early days...
What I am aiming for too. Could even use SS in the back if that's grippy enough for people.
I have the dissector at the back already and I’m going for the dhr II at the front … I can’t wait for it .. in your opinion how this combo works for rocks, gnarly trails ??
@@josehurtado7822 I still think its a fantastic combo, its a light-ish/somewhat fast setup, braking is great on both rock, dirt and loose over hard, rooty trails, overall very predictable imho, run it in bike parks and forrest trails with fairly low psi and tubeless - both the DHR II and the Dissector clears mud reasonably well although Ive seen better (but Im not a fan of riding when wet anyways) - I just love this setup... I am experimenting though with the Aggressor rear and Dissector front as a summer setup, seems even lighter/faster but robust, haven't had much time with this combo yet though...
I'm running Dhf 2.6 rear on my hardtail a bit slow but works great on rocky texas trail.
Just ordered a set of minion DHF 27.5 x 2.8 for my Diamondback Catch 1... can’t wait until they show up. Currently have original set of Kenda Havok 27.5 x 2.8 still installed for over 5 years!! So I’m going for more meat on the bone tread!! These look awesome!! 🤤🤤
I run both , love these tires.
DHF front and back on the enduro and dh, love them tires
best review I've seen on these two tires and really was my deciding factor Thanks?
Awesome thanks for letting us know. Hope you’re happy with the decision
Best video I've seen on the two yet 👍🏻
Wow thank you very much! Appreciate it.
Love the review. Thanks for describing the terrain that you have ridden. I´ve got one question though to fully understand your suggestions...
May I can ask: What was the rim width of the wheelsets that you have tested the tires with?
In west australian loose over hardpack conditions, I run DHR2 up front and disector in the rear for most of the year in the dry conditions and for the few months when it gets a bit damp I run the DHF up front and disector in the rear
I like your videos , it's not like u trying to sell something ! It's like an honest review ! Thumbs up from Germany/Austria 👍
Loving my dhf front and rear setup double down front and DH casing rear
Great content, thanks guys
I was running the dhf/dhr2 combo forever but I blew out the rear tire on practice day at a race, all the shop had was an assegai. I threw that in the front and my DHF in the rear, I'm actually really liking this setup for now
I'm running that setup also right now for winter in the PNW and liking it. I have the grip in the front and Terra rear. What compounds are yours?
Summer dual DHFs (might go to Disector on back) DHR/ Assegai for PNW winters here.
Thanks for the review I'm probably on more of the timid side and the dhf on the front seems to float as you would say and I don't seem to the conference to tip it right over.so will try a dhr 2 on the front
Very concise explanation and was just what I needed to make a purchase decision
Awesome thanks glad it was helpful.
For park I can really recommend the Michelin dh22 for the front and the 34 for the rear. If your riding proper dh tracks and it isn’t hard pack at all then 22s on both front and rear is the grippiest tire on the planet, even more so than the assegai.
Que buen video. Muchas gracias!!!
They are both good but I feel the dhr 2 handles the wet off camber terrain. Basically a better all season tire Ecspecially even it comes to wet roots and rocks.
Great video. Thank you
For me the assegai is the best of both worlds thats why i prefer it over the dhf. Its that perfekt front tire which is good in every situation. I rode it in dust loose condition and also on wet rocks and roots. Always super confident feeling.
Definitely I Run 2.5 Assegai MG F / R 23 psi . The Only Tire I Run On my Enduro and DH Bike 😎 Live in Vancouver
Would love to know what is the Lomewolfs favourite front and rear tyre, out of all the different tyre brands they have tested 👊
After years on the DHF front and rear, I found the DHR II is a better bike park tire. It rolls faster, holds braked out berms better at all angles, and has better braking traction in all conditions. The only time I find the DHF better is in high speed loamy corners, which hardly exist where I ride.
We agree! We just switched to a DHF on our Canyon Sender after wearing out the DHR II and noticed a big difference.
Great review. Living in a tropical country with high humidity and rainfall, my usual trail has loads of moist tree roots and small rocks. Current setup DHF 29x2.5 front and DHRii 29x2.4 rear which is great for fast downhill enduro riders(which I’m not) but feels like moving a tractor up the steep climbs. Was thinking of moving the DHRii up front and slapping an Aggressor 2.3 rear to get better rolling speed but concerned on how DHRii works up front. Seems to be a popular choice as well but if anyone has bad experience with DHRii upfront on moist/wet trails with loads of tree roots and small rocks, appreciate a heads up. Thanks for the review.
You got it thank you for watching!
Did you end up running a DHRII on the rear and Aggressor rear? I'm thinking about running that
@@RC-fp1tl yes I moved my DHRII 2.4 up front and put on Aggressor 2.3 on the rear. A clear felt difference in the climbs.as the lighter weight and closer knobs of the Aggressor improved rolling quite a bit. Not much issue going downhill as the DHRII remain a solid grippy front tyre while expect a more playful rear which is fine with me. No regrets for me based on the hills I bike at. Hope this helps.
Very interesting about the "float zone". Makes sense, DHR is better for a very ordinary rider like me. Thanks.
I wanna see a review from you guys on vittoria tires!
But how are they as a combo? and what size and width do you prefer or ride in thos?
DHR II is Better imo
I think both of them are really good tires. Just look at how many times Bruni has podium with the DHR2 in the front. I haven’t tried the DHR2 in front. What I don’t like is that DHR2 always run smaller compared to a DHF, which are most of the time true to size. In the back, for loose over hard and steeps, I like the DHR2 better than the Agressor. For some reason I feel that the DHF is better than the Assegai on off camber. I feel that the side knobs are better.
Thanks for sharing Pablo. Certainly each tire has applications and rider preferences!
Hmm my Canyon Spectral came with DHR IIs on front and rear, the super soft compound. On my hardtail I have a DHF on the front and High Roller on the back and I want to say I feel more secure on cornering with the hardtail's setup.
Thanks for sharing!
Send it! Nice ride dude! ☝️☝️
Thanks very much
I think DHF means Downhill front and DHR means Downhill Rear. Am I right? I’m planning to upgrade my bontrager tires to DHF and DHR II
Any views if the Minion DHR would be good for my 2020 Specialized Turbo Levo for the rear in gloopy British winter conditions where the 2.6 standard tyre is a bit fat causing clearance issues?
I’ve used a DHR 2.4 on the rear in the UK and had no issues all winter. It sheds mud better than an assegai too which can get clogged fairly quickly with stickier mud so I’ve found.
Great review thanks. Agree an Assegai comparison review would be good too.
Question, Drew, I didnt quite understand your last comment on the added benefit of front and back DHRII's - re: switching them round to get better mileage. What order were you suggesting? - newest dhr2 on the front or rear? Cheers
Thanks and sorry for the confusion. We’d always want the newest tire up front. So take the front and move it back and put the freshie up front.
Thanks :)
DHR II best pro: The breaking power is just the best available!
What a nice Bike :)
really need to get a bit into the compound and sidewalls, that makes a very big difference in the tires response and performance.
So many of these videos would be at least twice as good if they talked about compounds! DHR2 F+R, 3C up front, DC out back, great all-round combo.
Those aren't compounds. Maxx grip and Maxx Terra are compounds.
tried the DHF´s and had that problem, especially on the 2.8 width, that float zone is huge so I have to turn late and aggressive to make them work
Thanks for sharing!
How about Whistler , which one up front?
Are those two tires the same size? One looks bigger than the other🤔
Super merci toutes ces information 🔥
Je peu monter ses pneu sur mon Scott Gambler 10 pour faire que du Bike Park et freeride ?
Merci pour votre aide
Never had issues with both tires. Main difference: DHR better braking performance, DHF better damping --- just my 2 cents.
So I have pretty narrow rims (21mm) and I’m running 29x2.2 maxxis ikons and I need something with more grip. I’ve decided on the DHfs for my front tire but the smallest I can find is 29x2.3. Will I be fine if I run 2.3s on 21mm rim??
2.3 should be ok for that rim width, just be careful on the first rides in case the profile is too rounded
It will work fine
Great explanation of the slight differences between the DH-F and DH-R. 100% on the DH-F having more solid bite when leaned over on loamy trails.
Right on thank you for watching and sharing.
Assagi front ,heavenly grip🚲🚴♀️🚲🚴♀️
I would like to see maxxis make a 2.5 dhr
Now I understand the difference between those 2 tyres.
Glad to hear it!
I can’t say I’ve noticed the float. I have dhf front and aggressor rear. I would like to try assegai front though.
I wonder if anybody out there runs a dhf rear and dhrII front. I’d feel like the tyres are on backwards or something lol.
Yeah, great combo for conditions (dry!) in the Wasatch mountains! The DHR up front has better braking and the DHF in the back rolls better.
I heard that originally the F was for freeride and the R was for racing
I used to think it was me with the dhf. i prefer dhr2 front and rear for maxxis but these wild enduros by michelin are amazing
amazing but skinny ...
assegai in the front dhf in the rear is what i run
Still a dead zone on the DHR2 just not as pronounced as on the DHF ... me thinks the Assegai fixes this problem
It’s not a problem, it’s designed like that.
Excelente video con muy buenas conclusiones , llevo tiempo con DHR in front y Agressor in rear, para mi combinacion ideal , no me gusta DHF in front
Gracias amigo! es un buen combinacion, seguro!
Porque no te gusta DHF?
@@zacariaskramer8844 la DHR me parece mas progresiva en curvas, no tiene puntos muertos, tambien cuando apuras la frenada en terreno con mucho desnivel, me gusta mas como retiene la frenada
Hola yo instale dhr2 en las 2 ruedas que piensa de eso ? Son 29x2.6 on trek top fuel , me gustaria tu opinion gracias
@@miltonnunez8253 pienso que dhr en ambas ruedas convierten tu bici en un tractor, mucha tracción y frenada. Yo quizas , y mas teniendo ambas en 2.6, pondria algo mas rodador en la trasera, tipo Dissector, Rekon o Agressor.
Where I ride DHRII are no good on hard pack terrain. Too soft a compound for the rear in my experience. Too squirmy. I’ve found the Aggressor DD way better. DHRII not bad on the front in those conditions.
Thanks for sharing Drapp! Tire preference is very individual and greatly influenced by terrain and riding style. So thanks for the input.
No wonder I’m always slipping when cornering until the side knobs bite with the dhf.
Try wider rims
@@SourCrouter already a 2.6
@@REGNARTS00 rims
front and rear?
I don't agree that dhr 2 is good as a front one have it in the back feels pretty fast but in the front dhf but even dhf is not so good on wet trails, assegai is the best one for the front.
Only ridden a DHF a few times, it came with my new bike and I hate that “float”
Very glad to hear you have experienced what we were talking about! As we said, don't give up on the Minion, either try to really manhandle the bike over onto the side knobs, or sell it while it's still new and get a DHR II and run it up front. Plus with 15% off code above, that's an even easier justification. haha.
Dhr 2 front&rear💪🏻
If you are using the DHF WT, the wider the rim ( to a point obviously) the vagueness starts to go away in my experience.
What u mean .. can u explain more about it?
@@korbbarber2524 Wider rims push side knobbs down flattening tire profile. More tread in contact with the ground. Adds more traction and rolling resistance
Finally a good explanation!
Thanks glad it was helpful.
I like to ride DHR2 front and rear, just like YT Jeffsy
I tried Minion DHRII on the rear - it is an underwhelming tech climber. So I switched it to the front and again, underwhelming - seems to be a slow tire that requires more work than other tires that I've used. I don't understand the fuss. The best tire so far for me has been the Bontrager SE4 for front and rear. Presently, I've kept the DHRII on the front and the SE4 on the rear. When the Bontrager wears out, I'll probably replace it with the same. When the Minion wears out, I will not buy another. Maybe a Bontrager SE5. Definitely not a Continental Der Baron Projekt, which I found to be skittish in tech, going where it wanted to go instead of where I was trying to put it. It required way too much rider input to maintain course. The trails on my home mountain have steep, tech-y climbs and descents, separated by sections of less steep fun - some flowy, some tech-y. The rock is sharp-edged limestone. Heavily forested, so lots of roots. I have no idea what 'loam' is.
Have you tried the SE5 or SE6 on the front yet? Curious how these compare to DHR2.
@@frankschock9981 I've tried the SE5 on front and rear. Way better than the DHR2 at both positions. I like the SE5 better than the SE4, too. For a long while, my LBS was out of the SE tires, so I bought a Vittoria Mazza. It started out on the rear, and at that time the DHR2 had been pressed back into service in front. The Mazza was good in the back, but I like it better in front. When the LBS finally got some suitable tire in stock, I chucked the DHR2 from the rear and replaced in with the SE6. The SE6 is my all-time favorite rear tire. I haven't had it up front yet. I'll give credit to the DHR2 for its durability, I couldn't wear it out. Of course, I couldn't tolerate its performance drag, either, so it had been kept as a spare, mostly. I finally just didn't even want it around as an emergency backup and simply threw it away. That made my life better. So now I have my favorite tire combo: Mazza in front, SE6 in back. But that's just me, on my bike, on the mountain upon which I live. Change terrain and/or bike, I might have a different opinion. Or I might find a tire that I like better among the many that I've never tried.
@@gatoryak7332 Wow that's impressive that the SE6 isn't too sluggish on the rear.
@@frankschock9981 It may be too sluggish for your riding. But compared to Minion DHR II, it feels significantly speedier. Even my girlfriend, who is not a MTBer, mentioned how slow the rear wheel (DHR II) of my bike felt to her, compared to the front wheel, when she rode my bike on some streets and the "Family Trail" near my house. Prior to that, I had never discussed MTB tires with her. I'm boring enough without geeking out on bike tires. The SE6 has better traction, by far, too.
@@gatoryak7332 Yeah for my local trails I'm thinking XR4 or SE4 2.4 rear and XR5, SE5 or SE6 front.
Great Video but strangley I dont get that vagueness from the DHF
What type of soil/dirt are you riding on?
Used the dhr II on both wheels for one year, and it’s a fit and forget set up, it will just work in all conditions. Now I m using a dhf on the front and my last wet muddy ride was scary AF, compared to the dhr II.
They want us to die with this DHF !!! It makes me so unsure on rocks, roots, wet grounds, dry ok.
Lol, yeah right? I was on a steep trail and caught a wet root...holy fuck!!! Thing is, It was totally unexpected and I even stayed there for 30 secs catching my breath and trying to figure what just happened
Totally agree, I feel soooo much safer with a dhr2 in front than a dhf - Imho the difference in traction and braking force is night and day between the dhr2 and dhf … If I want fast but scary in wet, I use dissector in front now, I feel its much like the dhf but noticable lighter…
Compared to competitors I don't like the minions anymore. The DHR is a lug in terms of rolling resistance (worse than the assegai) and all the DHF's benefits can be ridden without the float zone when on some of the competitor's tyres. I've loved the the minions for a long time but tbh it definitely is time to admit they're outclassed by competitors by now. They're still great and better than one could ever NEED. It's just that others have become even better by now.
What tires would you recommend
Can I use DHF In tha back
i use dhf front and rear on my scott genius .no problem
What does “vague” mean? I hear it so many times but no one has ever explained it. It’s such a...vague concept lol. Jokes aside though what does it mean? Thanks
Haha. Well, if you think about a car that understeers, you're turning the wheel but the front is sort of pushing or not responding sharply and turning. In a strange way that's a similar concept. Some tires provide traction and instant feel/engagement throughout their entire profile. The "float channel" on the DHF is a large void between knobs so you could have a bit of uncertainty on whether your tires gripping or sliding or not. If you've ever ridden on sand and the bike sort of squirms and moves but you still maintain your line, just with some slight deviations from straight, that's the vagueness we're referring too. Not a direct line of feedback on traction and cornering input.
Hope that helps??
@@TheLoamWolf Hi, thanks for the info, yes that helps. I just rode over some sand the other day so that illustration helps a lot. Thanks again!
DHF: Downhill freeride (some people think it means front)
DHR(II): Downhill rear
I run Maxxis minion DHF on front and rear.
How is it? I was wondering if anyone runs DHF on the rear. Is it faster rolling than DHR II in the rear?
I just changed up from running dhf on the front and rear! Love that combo! Now went to a dhf/dhr2 combo. 2.5 front and 2.6 rear. Wanted a little more of a contact patch while pedaling on my e bike! Have not ridden that combo in 15 years since the og dhr. See what happens!
Which one for back ????dhr2 or dhf
Dhr2
Which rolls faster?
That's a question we can't answer because it will only open up a can of worms! haha. Real world rolling resistance tests are so finicky and can change based on PSI, trail conditions etc. And what Maxxis shows in the lab on their rolling machines may not be totally correct with what happens on dirt, rocks and roots either... And they'll even admit to that. Typically though, tighter spaced knobs roll faster than those of larger spacing. Think about a truck with mud terrains vs all terrains.
DHF for sure
"F" stands for "Fast" ha!
Second
Or you can go with a Vittoria Mazza- best of both worlds.
How so?
I ride in SE Michigan, mostly hard pack w loose dust on crust and sometimes, sand, I didn’t like the DHF 2 in the front. It made my front end feel darty and wander’y. I rode it for about 2 months, before slapping on a DHF and what a difference. The DHF brought back the precise feeling at the front I was missing w the DHR. And, if you commit to cornering, there’s few tires with better edge hold. DHF: precision & stability. DHR: playful and darty (a bit too much for my tastes!)
Mazza is just a poor dhf
Mazza is just a bad grip than dhf brother
@@CristicaPorumb Nah, it's *slightly* less grippy over wet roots, but much more stable on anything more supportive.
great and simple explanation , ty
I ll go for rekon+ 29x2.8 rear , dhr2 29x3.0 front
What bike?
everybody is just comparing downhill tires. That may be interesting for ... 10% of the MTB crowd. What about Ardent or Forecaster for the average trail and All Mountain dude?
Had Ardents on last trail bike and dhr2 front/aggressor rear on my new trail bike. I don't feel there is much of a penalty for the increased grip. They roll pretty well. Gained 20 lbs since covid and my new bike is 3lbs heavier as well and my 30 minute green trail loop times were identical this year. I felt Ardents had that vague transition spot as well and it was hard to push the pace on moderate downhill sections at all. Unless you really want quick times, something like my combo or dissector front/rekon back would probably be a good middle ground for traction/speed.
Third
Guess the podium is full.
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Fifth
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Truly dreadful quality tyres, in just 1 year I've had 3 maxxis tyres all fail at the bead, thats £180 in tyres all with the same quality fault,last one was only 8 weeks old and left me stranded 15miles from home, I'll never buy another Maxxis product
What kind of trails are you riding mate?
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When I bought my DH bike it has DHFs on it ...... CANT WAIT TO REMOVE them . Dont care for them at all
front and rear?