Fox 38 or RockShox ZEB fork, which would you choose? (*Note, one mistake in the video, the 38 actually has high & low speed rebound, Zeb has a single rebound adjustment. My bad! - Jeff)
Already bought the Zeb. Cant compare to the 38, but compared to my overtight bushing 36 its superb. Even without the bushing issue, I need all the strength I can get as I tend to bomb rough socal trails and I'm 205lb rtr. Much more confident in the steeps, off camber turns, etc. I also had csu concerns with the 38, as well as general availability! Cheers and thanks for the video.
As a wise man called Seth's bike hacks said once:"i think that the brand of suspension these days doesn't matter cause everybody at the high end market is doing such good stuff and I think that dialling in your suspension can do more positve stuff than the brand you are riding."
Not really. The extra $200 is all about the amount of adjustability the Fox has. Fox suspensions can be tweaked to get the best of all worlds, making them perfect in any and every situation. If you're riding similar trails all the time and want more value for the money, go for the Zeb.
Justin McNab but to be fair the range of adjustments on the fox can only do so much. Eventually they start to cancel out and not do anything to change the ride. However the extra rebound adjustment, floating axle and the bleeders are nice on the fox
@@justinmcnab5585 I was simply responding to Jeff's comments that he really couldn't tell a difference on the trail. Also, more adjustments doesn't necessarily equate to better performance and I'm guessing Jeff is probably a better rider and more skilled at tuning that both of us but I may be wrong. I'm not biased either, and if I was it would be towards Fox as it's the only suspension components I've really owned or ran.
@@symmetricon1982 I know. And you have a good point in your main comment. If people don't care about the kashima coat and bling, the should definitely go for the Zeb.
as a motocross guy and engineer the air bleed is a big thing! its something you can actually feel. especially when the fork gets older. when the seals get older they suck air in. a new fork or serviced fork won't do that. the weekend warrior riding the fork long years will love it.
Mr. W I heard the rumor it’s because of the modern insanity of being overly political correct. You know, totem could insult the native Americans. Zeb is a nod to the first guy who got on Pikes Peak, so they now have basically two forks which are related to that guy. The other being the Pike obviously.
If they perform identically and one is lighter and cheaper, that would seem to answer the question pretty well, no? :) Also, a few threads have already popped up online about the dreaded Fox CSU creak appearing on the 38 as well... I switched to RS in the past year because I feel like the dampers are 1. simpler and 2. seem to perform better if you're not always pinned while they're equal going fast, and the Zeb won out for me. It's an incredible fork. I would've paid an extra little bit on the retail price to have the bolt-on fender included, though. Tiny little gripe there.
honest review and kudos for stating that it would make a difference if you are a heavier rider - I am 250lbs and my fox 38 is awesome on the stiffness, so much better than the 36 for my style
Love the honest review. Few things are more cringe worthy than reviewers making up fake differences between products. I’ve been on Fox for years (Factory 36, X2) after finding a significant improvement over my previous Rockshox suspension (Pike RC, Monarch). The ZEB could definitely pull me back to Rockshox. Those two ounces matter to former XC racers.
Weight weenies unite! Haha I think 2oz matters as well. And thanks for the kind words. Glad you like the reviews. It is pretty easy to just be honest. Well for me at least 😅
I had the FOX 36 KASHIMA and never managed to find a set-up that suited me, with the ZEB ULTIMATE I managed to find the ideal point for me on my first ride.
I’ve ridden both and chose the Fox 38s in the end, felt plusher and has better small bump sensitivity with the air bleeds, and yes you notice is when you haven’t bled them for a while and then do it. The zebs are awesome aswell, you really can’t go wrong
Wow Jeff. I like the shirt but I’d prefer if you wore a tank top in every video. Look at those arms. Oh and cool forks. I like the ZEB because it has a cool name so I’m buying it.
Over the years I noticed main difference and what you pay the extra money for with FOX is this Maintenance Fox's maintenance schedules are usually twice the time that Rockshox are. Fox average 100 hrs between servicing and only 50 hrs for Rockshox. If you get someone else to do your wrenching that's going to add up quick at 75$ an hour for shop rates. However if you do your own wrenching rockshox tend to be easier to work on an are home mechanic friendly. Other then that I've found little difference between the two companies over the years.
I’ve ordered a Fox 38 Orange 180mil. I’m a Fox guy. But this video is great. The explanation between the two is awesome. I’ve got a SC Megatower and I want big travel without going to a Fox 40. Besides my bikes max travel fork is 180m. I’m so stoked to get this fork. I’m a bigger rider (230lbs) so big burly and lots of travel sound good to me !!!! Not a racer. Just a weekend warrior who loves to ride!!! Yyyeewww!!! Cheers boys!!! 🤘🏻🚵🏽♂️🦍🤙🏻
Im honestly always amazed at how much pressure builds up in the lowers on a fork so I love what Fox is doing with the valves but I cant get over the old school look of them myself, far prefer the Zeb and Im sure most peoples wallets will too.
@10:28 you mentioned both forks have a single rebound adjustment. Is that true? I thought the Fox had the 4-way Grip 2? Sorry for the spec police! haha
@@WorldwideCyclery I feel like a tool for pointing it out but just in case someone relied on that info... Personally to get everything right in a TH-cam video is like impossible in one take
Zeberdee Zeb Zeb Zeb......oh yeah all the way. Rockshox are killing it with their functional understated style. Fox screams look at me 🙄 Zeb just says get the hell out of my way dude!! 💪
What is the weight of a Lyrik? And as a weekend warrior? I don’t think I could out ride a Lyrik. Zeb needs to be boxer red. Fox needs to ditch the Lima bean green too. Orange for fox or black. Lima beans stink and so does the color. Great video.
And here i am using my sr suntour xcr coil fork just tinkered it from 120mm to have a 150mm stantions. ITS FOOOKING AMAZING FOR THE PRICE. I spent $40 for the fork, the materials needed and mechanic's fee.
the zeb is 38 just because it looks better and stiffer. they surely could build the zeb with 35 and still being stiffer than fox 38. for example the boxxer, it has 35
“I think if you rode them blindfolded it would be really really hard to tell which one you are on”. That would be because you would be OTB and down the trail a bit! Lmfao
Huge difference with air build up.. ( just moved to mtb from enduro dirtbike hairdcambles..) air buildup can blow seals and make the fork stiffer and reduce travel
I dont have much time on newer fox forks... But as you said its probably very similar. Ive broken all my brand, wheel, pedal and what ever other bias I had and it opens so many doors.
The amount he keeps gazing at the 38 I think that's the one he really prefers but won't say it. Meanwhile I'm happy to pick up the ZEB select and get 95% of the performance of the 38 Factory from the discount german retailers for £650 than drop £1200 on the FOX. Hopefully I can upgrade with a PUSH HCS3 for the ZEB if they bring one out or get the fork custome tuned by a suspension tuner, have even better performance and still have money in my pocket.
Ok, so here's the thing about bleeding the air from the lowers. If air pressure builds, you will feel it the most at high elevation. The fork will feel harsh up high, then smoother as you descend. I've been doing the zip-strip trick for a while and can tell a pretty significant difference. Esp over small chatter over 8000 ft elevation. I'm happy Fox added bleeders, and hope Rock Shox adds them at some point. Either way, I only need to bleed my Lyric once a month, or so..
I really love your content and I think Jeff is awesome, but there's just one thing I just can't let go of. EVERY TIME Jeff talks about Rock Shox he pronounces it "Rock Shock". I don't know why this bothers me so much and it probably says more about me than him, but it would be awesome if he pronounced it the way that the company pronounces it; "Rock Shocks". Neurotically yours.
I also pronounce both like bolth. I can't speak perfectly gents. My hair also looks utterly ridiculous. Please forgive my imperfections. I am only human 😅
@@WorldwideCyclery And this is why we love you, Jeff. You are far from the only person that says "Shock". And like I said, it's more about me than you.
I went with the fox because I preferred the colour combo with my bike and I’m kinda happy that they both preform the same because I was told the zeb was better but that was from people that own the zeb 😂😂
A 190mm ZEB on an Evil Wreckoning is my dream enduro set-up. Literally my only issue is that it doesn't have the beautiful red of the Lyric, but what can you do?
So many mixed reviews on this.. Seb @BikeRadar did some scientific tests that were backed up by some interesting insights. He says the Zeb is designed to sit higher in its stroke, and has a slight top out, whereas the Fox 38 sits lower and has less initial resistance. The Lyric 2020(?) and older models were super supple, but the 2021 update less so, and the Zeb follows that same path. Seb reckons that the Fox38 leap frogs Rockshox in this supple small bump sensitivity. To me that's a game changer.
I’d love to give the 38 a go. Currently using a lyrik with hi/low and rebound in a 180 and I find its small bump sensitivity isn’t awe inspiring. I run it full open and still deflect a lot. My 40 on the other hand doesn’t (I run them both at 20% sag). I understand totally different kind of suspension dh vs enduro but I find it hard to be inspired in the chunk. The lyrik does jump well though.
Worldwide Cyclery - have you ridden the Manitou Mezzer? If so, how does it stack up to Zeb and 38? All of these fork manufacturers have issues. Putting creaky CSUs and bushing play aside, which one takes the personal preference?
I have fox 40 rc2 26 er in my demo and a 29 er 36 rc2 too and i love it. But i want to by a new enduro fork because the newest cartridge its better [grip] than the rc2. But the zeb is 990€ and the top 38 is 1499€ i think in europe, so my next fork will be rock shox. Anyways nice informative video thanks guys. Cheers from hungary.🍻
That axel on the fox can make a massive difference if the hub tolerance is out..this system has been on mx bikes with years, and believe me if the forks are pinched it will feel terrible, aswel as destroy the fork bushes and oil seals...only problem is it is easy to clamp them down in the wrong position and mess it up, so need to take your time and do it carefully and ensure the axel is clean.
So this makes me wonder how the new 36s fare with their changes that have trickled down from the 38. Do they feel stiffer? More supple? Or is it much the same story that there's no discernible difference between the old and the new unless you're a world class athlete?
My current fork, (2005 RS Pike coil team) has the old U-turn feature, so I can dump it from 140mm down to 120mm or 90mm for a long fire road climb. it's kind of cool, but I'd be fine if it was just a 140mm fork all the time.
Being 265lb on a 180mm devinci AC e-bike I'm guessing either of these will be a great upgrade. The lyrik on my Patrol was great but the 36 on this bike feels a little under gunned.
On my rockshox160 Lyrik when I put the compression on the hardest setting and do steeper trails with more compressions the “hard” setting clicks back to medium on its own. Then I have to click it back before other compression features. I tried more air in the fork but it still does it. Super annoying when I want the fork to stay on the hard setting for the “whole” duration of trail. Have you seen this before??
I always find rockshox forks too progressive even with no volume spacers.. wonder is the zeb the same🤔. Love how linear my fox 36 is so I can run little sag to stand the front of the bike up and still use all the travel when I need it.
I think if performance is the same then tuning ease etc perhaps comes into it? I know when it came to my tuning my RockShox Super Deluxe Coil Select R (omg the longest name ever) it actually took me less time to tune it to perfection than writing the name. Use a spring calc, get the right lb spring, a few tweaks and waist height drops feel like they are 15cm
Maybe you guys should have some heavyweight riders do the testing, I find that when you're heavy the stock high speed rebound are usually too fast to control.
Hey I’m looking for a new bike and heard the Nukeproof was coming out with a new line of bikes at the end of September, will you guys be selling Nukeproof new line or where can I find info about the new bikes coming out?
Fox 38 or RockShox ZEB fork, which would you choose?
(*Note, one mistake in the video, the 38 actually has high & low speed rebound, Zeb has a single rebound adjustment. My bad! - Jeff)
fox 36 is good enough for me
38 ftw
Already bought the Zeb. Cant compare to the 38, but compared to my overtight bushing 36 its superb. Even without the bushing issue, I need all the strength I can get as I tend to bomb rough socal trails and I'm 205lb rtr. Much more confident in the steeps, off camber turns, etc. I also had csu concerns with the 38, as well as general availability! Cheers and thanks for the video.
"if you would ride them blindfolded.." Yeah great idea, let's try that 😂
fox 38!
So in conclusion... if the performance in all areas is equal, I’ll go with the cheaper one.
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Yes but I feel like the 38 looks better but the Zeb is named after me sooo
bananas stuff yes, I froze my self after my exploration😃
the 38 has alot better performance clearly after 1 month
@@jibberist nah
As a wise man called Seth's bike hacks said once:"i think that the brand of suspension these days doesn't matter cause everybody at the high end market is doing such good stuff and I think that dialling in your suspension can do more positve stuff than the brand you are riding."
If you can't tell the difference then doesn't the Zeb win being a good bit cheaper?
Not really. The extra $200 is all about the amount of adjustability the Fox has. Fox suspensions can be tweaked to get the best of all worlds, making them perfect in any and every situation.
If you're riding similar trails all the time and want more value for the money, go for the Zeb.
Justin McNab but to be fair the range of adjustments on the fox can only do so much. Eventually they start to cancel out and not do anything to change the ride. However the extra rebound adjustment, floating axle and the bleeders are nice on the fox
@@justinmcnab5585 I was simply responding to Jeff's comments that he really couldn't tell a difference on the trail. Also, more adjustments doesn't necessarily equate to better performance and I'm guessing Jeff is probably a better rider and more skilled at tuning that both of us but I may be wrong. I'm not biased either, and if I was it would be towards Fox as it's the only suspension components I've really owned or ran.
@@symmetricon1982 I know. And you have a good point in your main comment. If people don't care about the kashima coat and bling, the should definitely go for the Zeb.
@@justinmcnab5585 incorrect.
I'm a Zeb fan, that 2021 air spring really put rockshox up a level.
Put one in my Lyrik, its outstanding.
Zeb. Easier to setup and not a fan of the 38's rounded arch
Yeah the arch is so ugly compared to the earlier versions
The zen is by far smarter looking
Yea but would you choose the zeb only because it looks way sicker
Sebastien Doucet I would go ohlins if I wanted to mess with settings anyways.
Easy to set up yes but fox when set up properly is the best
Great to see a bike shop creating useful content that supports riders. Thanks!
Zeb=just put hem on adjust the thing then boom ride
38=for the guys who want to tinker in their bikes and more adjustability
This is the only correct answer
38 for the guys that want the crown-creak :D
I still like both though...
Or to shorten (and add on to) what you said
Rockshox: set it, forget it
Fox: dial in
Ohlins: lots of tinkering
38. Tinker what you want and still get crown creak. Ohlins if u actually know how to tinker with sus
So zeb for me then. Appreciate the concise answer.
as a motocross guy and engineer the air bleed is a big thing! its something you can actually feel. especially when the fork gets older. when the seals get older they suck air in. a new fork or serviced fork won't do that. the weekend warrior riding the fork long years will love it.
“If you’ve watched this video comparing two enduro forks for this long, you’re really, really into this shit so you should definitely subscribe!”
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Well I mean it's true! 😂
I have this wild idea, that we could just call them freeride forks?
I have the exact same wild idea
Yes
Zeb is basicly modern version of the Totem. I don't know why Rs didn't just name Zeb Totem and bring back the legend
Mr. W I heard the rumor it’s because of the modern insanity of being overly political correct.
You know, totem could insult the native Americans.
Zeb is a nod to the first guy who got on Pikes Peak, so they now have basically two forks which are related to that guy.
The other being the Pike obviously.
@@rolux4853 Lol very unfortunate. Zeb just reminds me of an annoying Star Wars rebel character xd
“If you rode them blindfolded” you would probably crash.
Hold my beer...
Wait didn’t Sam pilgrim do a blindfold mtb video
Me whos blind and still drives
Presses X to doubt
If they perform identically and one is lighter and cheaper, that would seem to answer the question pretty well, no? :) Also, a few threads have already popped up online about the dreaded Fox CSU creak appearing on the 38 as well... I switched to RS in the past year because I feel like the dampers are 1. simpler and 2. seem to perform better if you're not always pinned while they're equal going fast, and the Zeb won out for me. It's an incredible fork. I would've paid an extra little bit on the retail price to have the bolt-on fender included, though. Tiny little gripe there.
honest review and kudos for stating that it would make a difference if you are a heavier rider - I am 250lbs and my fox 38 is awesome on the stiffness, so much better than the 36 for my style
2020 Jeff, To compare forks make sure your blindfolded. What could go wrong..
😂😂😂😂
I just had an old totem on a demo 7 in the workshop today. Still buttery smooth after 12 years. Crazy!
Love the honest review. Few things are more cringe worthy than reviewers making up fake differences between products. I’ve been on Fox for years (Factory 36, X2) after finding a significant improvement over my previous Rockshox suspension (Pike RC, Monarch). The ZEB could definitely pull me back to Rockshox. Those two ounces matter to former XC racers.
Weight weenies unite! Haha I think 2oz matters as well.
And thanks for the kind words. Glad you like the reviews. It is pretty easy to just be honest. Well for me at least 😅
I love Rock Shox, but like the color of the Fox.
Spray paint your zeb!
I hate to disappoint you guys, I'm still om my RS Totem 40, still plush as day 1 and I maintain it well.
Thanks for being so honest and not spreading bullshit to sell the products...🙏🏼
Appreciate it!
Greets from Berlin City 😎
I had the FOX 36 KASHIMA and never managed to find a set-up that suited me, with the ZEB ULTIMATE I managed to find the ideal point for me on my first ride.
Great vid, love the no BS they are both great approach. More than I need but do want.
"Ride and Forgot" that is why I love Rochshox! No Talk only Shred!
Bought Zeb and it’s awesome! Zeb 2020
Epic video. Humbly looking at the realities of these forks. Nice work 👌
Love my 38.riding the heck out of it 3 months now. So awesome
I’ve ridden both and chose the Fox 38s in the end, felt plusher and has better small bump sensitivity with the air bleeds, and yes you notice is when you haven’t bled them for a while and then do it. The zebs are awesome aswell, you really can’t go wrong
Wow Jeff. I like the shirt but I’d prefer if you wore a tank top in every video. Look at those arms. Oh and cool forks. I like the ZEB because it has a cool name so I’m buying it.
💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
So funny
Appreciate the honesty here.
Gotta be the Zeb for price to performance. Plus it looks cooler.
Thomas Varner lol no it looks boring as hell
RockShox ZEB for me!
Over the years I noticed main difference and what you pay the extra money for with FOX is this
Maintenance
Fox's maintenance schedules are usually twice the time that Rockshox are.
Fox average 100 hrs between servicing and only 50 hrs for Rockshox.
If you get someone else to do your wrenching that's going to add up quick at 75$ an hour for shop rates. However if you do your own wrenching rockshox tend to be easier to work on an are home mechanic friendly. Other then that I've found little difference between the two companies over the years.
I just installed a Fox Factory 38 on my Haibike, its amazing!
I just bought a 2021 Yeti SB150 verde color it comes with the new fox 38 really like it so far and the bike is amazing
I like it simply to use, not the whole lot of adjustment, so I'd definitely go the Zeb.
I could be tempted by either the 190mm zeb or the dual air version.
I’ve ordered a Fox 38 Orange 180mil. I’m a Fox guy. But this video is great. The explanation between the two is awesome. I’ve got a SC Megatower and I want big travel without going to a Fox 40. Besides my bikes max travel fork is 180m. I’m so stoked to get this fork. I’m a bigger rider (230lbs) so big burly and lots of travel sound good to me !!!! Not a racer. Just a weekend warrior who loves to ride!!! Yyyeewww!!! Cheers boys!!! 🤘🏻🚵🏽♂️🦍🤙🏻
Im honestly always amazed at how much pressure builds up in the lowers on a fork so I love what Fox is doing with the valves but I cant get over the old school look of them myself, far prefer the Zeb and Im sure most peoples wallets will too.
7:25 made my day!!! Good video. Helped me making my decision
Zeb all day, I currently run an xfusion sweep 34HLR 160mm so will be upgrading to zeb in future
I managed to ride one before it was even available and I was shocked with how good it felt compared to my pike. It will be a good upgrade 👌
@10:28 you mentioned both forks have a single rebound adjustment. Is that true? I thought the Fox had the 4-way Grip 2? Sorry for the spec police! haha
You are right. I made a mistake. The 38 does have a high and low speed rebound. Zeb only has a single rebound. My bad and good catch!
@@WorldwideCyclery I feel like a tool for pointing it out but just in case someone relied on that info... Personally to get everything right in a TH-cam video is like impossible in one take
Little different, but kinda the same
Ah yes a man of culture 👏
😅 Yep.
Lol seths bike hacks
Lolololol
@@mauriciohervert8195 redditor
Zeberdee Zeb Zeb Zeb......oh yeah all the way. Rockshox are killing it with their functional understated style. Fox screams look at me 🙄 Zeb just says get the hell out of my way dude!! 💪
Can you do a video on your blindfold trail test
What is the weight of a Lyrik? And as a weekend warrior? I don’t think I could out ride a Lyrik. Zeb needs to be boxer red. Fox needs to ditch the Lima bean green too. Orange for fox or black. Lima beans stink and so does the color. Great video.
And here i am using my sr suntour xcr coil fork just tinkered it from 120mm to have a 150mm stantions. ITS FOOOKING AMAZING FOR THE PRICE. I spent $40 for the fork, the materials needed and mechanic's fee.
If I was on a budget: ZEB Fork, if not I would 100% go to the FOX 38
But the zeb's not really "budget". If you're at 1k for a fork, what's 1 hundred more. Just sayin
@@Mesa3077Boogie Nah, you can get the Zeb for 800$ and the Fox38 for 1200$, it would be more like a 400$ difference 🤷♂️
@@benblaser2593 I guess I ruled out the non ultimate versions. The ultimate is $999
@@Mesa3077Boogie oh ok I thought you were talking about just the base model, select.
Personally, I preffer Fox, but I don't think that 38 mm stanchions are necessary, lyrik or 36 would be enough
When we ride my buddy films some stuff in slow mo, on big hits and repeated impacts my lyrics dont flex at all and im 15st
What’s 15st
Sebastien Doucet 15 stone a measurement of weight in the uk
@@sebastiendoucet06 stone is a form of weight measurement that makes ZERO sense lmao
the zeb is 38 just because it looks better and stiffer. they surely could build the zeb with 35 and still being stiffer than fox 38. for example the boxxer, it has 35
Now I need to see a review of the EXT Era... please?
RS Zeb, 190mm travel and less expensive.
I'll just buy both.
I'm very lucky to get hold of the fox 38 for my SC megatower, it's really a different beast on the trail. Super thumbs up !
Just did the same upgrade, Mega should have come with the 38.
@@jackbond4336 me too :) 38 on my mega since 2 weeks
“I think if you rode them blindfolded it would be really really hard to tell which one you are on”. That would be because you would be OTB and down the trail a bit! Lmfao
The 38 because fox provides us with stuff like dialed.
I think i would choose fox for the performance,kashima and adjustability but DAMN that zeb looks way better in my opinion
Huge difference with air build up.. ( just moved to mtb from enduro dirtbike hairdcambles..) air buildup can blow seals and make the fork stiffer and reduce travel
What I want to know is can I use Zeb uppers and 38 lowers
😂 I mean you can buy both and try?!
I dont have much time on newer fox forks... But as you said its probably very similar.
Ive broken all my brand, wheel, pedal and what ever other bias I had and it opens so many doors.
Yall are all comparing two of the best mtb forks to upgrade to while i am just now modifing my lugnut wheels to qr so i can use a sr suntour 3030
The amount he keeps gazing at the 38 I think that's the one he really prefers but won't say it. Meanwhile I'm happy to pick up the ZEB select and get 95% of the performance of the 38 Factory from the discount german retailers for £650 than drop £1200 on the FOX. Hopefully I can upgrade with a PUSH HCS3 for the ZEB if they bring one out or get the fork custome tuned by a suspension tuner, have even better performance and still have money in my pocket.
Ext Era fork review please!
Ok, so here's the thing about bleeding the air from the lowers. If air pressure builds, you will feel it the most at high elevation. The fork will feel harsh up high, then smoother as you descend. I've been doing the zip-strip trick for a while and can tell a pretty significant difference. Esp over small chatter over 8000 ft elevation. I'm happy Fox added bleeders, and hope Rock Shox adds them at some point. Either way, I only need to bleed my Lyric once a month, or so..
I have an old fox talas with the adjustable travel. I seriously don’t have any idea why they stopped. It helps so much
you serioulsy dont know why?? lol think for a min buddy!! ill give u a hint.. its green and made of paper😆
I really love your content and I think Jeff is awesome, but there's just one thing I just can't let go of. EVERY TIME Jeff talks about Rock Shox he pronounces it "Rock Shock". I don't know why this bothers me so much and it probably says more about me than him, but it would be awesome if he pronounced it the way that the company pronounces it; "Rock Shocks". Neurotically yours.
I was just about to post an almost identical comment. Love the channel, but the lack of that ‘x’ in Jeff’s pronunciation drives me to distraction!
@@Mojaxx 100%. It's all I can think about when it happens!
I also pronounce both like bolth. I can't speak perfectly gents. My hair also looks utterly ridiculous. Please forgive my imperfections. I am only human 😅
@@WorldwideCyclery From now on, Jeff, I'll allow it, but only on the condition that you pronounce the competing brand 'Fock'. ;)
@@WorldwideCyclery And this is why we love you, Jeff. You are far from the only person that says "Shock". And like I said, it's more about me than you.
I went with the fox because I preferred the colour combo with my bike and I’m kinda happy that they both preform the same because I was told the zeb was better but that was from people that own the zeb 😂😂
Do forks have rider weight recommendations?
I doubt I’d ever need 38mm stanchions at 70kg.
Because of the elliptical steerer on the 38, it would not be easy to push a broken star nut out the bottom.
I have a Zeb ultimate with 180mm travel and i love it. Its so stiff but still sensitive
my Funn Fantom boost hub doesnt have torque caps. can i still use the Zeb safely? and won't it damage the fork?
I just bought handlebars from you, and I got to say that egyptian magic carpet is FAST
😂👊🏻👊🏻
HEY GUYS MY QUESTION IS THAT DO YOU HAVE ANY BIKE BUILD VIDEO OF BKXC NEW RIPMO V2?
Okay totally should review the boxxer vs the fox 40.
A 190mm ZEB on an Evil Wreckoning is my dream enduro set-up.
Literally my only issue is that it doesn't have the beautiful red of the Lyric, but what can you do?
Hey can you guys do a video on phone mounts that are appropriate for mountain bikes?
I'm gonna give a like jus for the intro 😂
So many mixed reviews on this.. Seb @BikeRadar did some scientific tests that were backed up by some interesting insights. He says the Zeb is designed to sit higher in its stroke, and has a slight top out, whereas the Fox 38 sits lower and has less initial resistance. The Lyric 2020(?) and older models were super supple, but the 2021 update less so, and the Zeb follows that same path. Seb reckons that the Fox38 leap frogs Rockshox in this supple small bump sensitivity. To me that's a game changer.
Please compare boxxer vs fox40 because these two seem to have very different ideologies and goals behind them.
I need to know about the Yeti bottle of whiskey/bourbon in the background...
I’d love to give the 38 a go. Currently using a lyrik with hi/low and rebound in a 180 and I find its small bump sensitivity isn’t awe inspiring. I run it full open and still deflect a lot. My 40 on the other hand doesn’t (I run them both at 20% sag). I understand totally different kind of suspension dh vs enduro but I find it hard to be inspired in the chunk. The lyrik does jump well though.
Worldwide Cyclery - have you ridden the Manitou Mezzer? If so, how does it stack up to Zeb and 38? All of these fork manufacturers have issues. Putting creaky CSUs and bushing play aside, which one takes the personal preference?
Great video. But Doesn’t the FOX 38 have HSR and LSR adjustment ? Just like the 36 ?
yes if its the grip 2
I have fox 40 rc2 26 er in my demo and a 29 er 36 rc2 too and i love it. But i want to by a new enduro fork because the newest cartridge its better [grip] than the rc2. But the zeb is 990€ and the top 38 is 1499€ i think in europe, so my next fork will be rock shox. Anyways nice informative video thanks guys. Cheers from hungary.🍻
That axel on the fox can make a massive difference if the hub tolerance is out..this system has been on mx bikes with years, and believe me if the forks are pinched it will feel terrible, aswel as destroy the fork bushes and oil seals...only problem is it is easy to clamp them down in the wrong position and mess it up, so need to take your time and do it carefully and ensure the axel is clean.
im not a fan of rockshox but i got stock rockshox super deluxe coil on my nomad 4 and fox 38 180mm feels good to me. love it.
I love the review. Still don't have the money for that .
So this makes me wonder how the new 36s fare with their changes that have trickled down from the 38. Do they feel stiffer? More supple? Or is it much the same story that there's no discernible difference between the old and the new unless you're a world class athlete?
RockShox themselves state that fore-aft stiffness is 2% better on Zeb v Lyrik.
Lateral is 21% tho
Like the sound fox makes lol.
My current fork, (2005 RS Pike coil team) has the old U-turn feature, so I can dump it from 140mm down to 120mm or 90mm for a long fire road climb. it's kind of cool, but I'd be fine if it was just a 140mm fork all the time.
Being 265lb on a 180mm devinci AC e-bike I'm guessing either of these will be a great upgrade. The lyrik on my Patrol was great but the 36 on this bike feels a little under gunned.
On my rockshox160 Lyrik when I put the compression on the hardest setting and do steeper trails with more compressions the “hard” setting clicks back to medium on its own. Then I have to click it back before other compression features. I tried more air in the fork but it still does it. Super annoying when I want the fork to stay on the hard setting for the “whole” duration of trail. Have you seen this before??
I don't see any documentation on the 150/180 climb switch on the zeb, can you elaborate?
How many times did you change shirts
Can you post a video of someone riding these blindfolded? I really want to see an unbiased review.......
Hold my beer...
I always find rockshox forks too progressive even with no volume spacers.. wonder is the zeb the same🤔. Love how linear my fox 36 is so I can run little sag to stand the front of the bike up and still use all the travel when I need it.
I think if performance is the same then tuning ease etc perhaps comes into it? I know when it came to my tuning my RockShox Super Deluxe Coil Select R (omg the longest name ever) it actually took me less time to tune it to perfection than writing the name. Use a spring calc, get the right lb spring, a few tweaks and waist height drops feel like they are 15cm
I have a 2021 slayer c70 on the way, it has a 38 on it, just seeing what people think of the fork.
Maybe you guys should have some heavyweight riders do the testing, I find that when you're heavy the stock high speed rebound are usually too fast to control.
What happened to Tudlow, was he to hungover again
Haven't seen the guy in weeks. He bought a new truck and drove off yelling something about moonshine and banjos...
Wheres Jeffery Tudlow at?
Hey I’m looking for a new bike and heard the Nukeproof was coming out with a new line of bikes at the end of September, will you guys be selling Nukeproof new line or where can I find info about the new bikes coming out?