I met a guy who got called in because he was behind in his child support payments. Seems his old lady was hiding out with the kids so he didn't even know where they were, but he was still harassed as a "deadbeat dad". He dug in his heels. No kids, no dough. They let him go.
@@johnhardin2269 tell you what.,...in Germany as a man/Father you MUST pay...even if you do not see your child!!! So unfair. Most judges in family courts are women...so you can guess the outcome..right. Again: as a male in germany you are FUCKED after a divorce. There are even man that hide away just to avoid paying the high amounts of child alimony. While most women get state suport,Child support AND alimony..making MORE money then you with a paid job!!! How fair is that?? And most women do NOT work...for sure with kids under 12 yo.
@@pargm9543 and yourself oh baboon is playing with life because this solar system has always been feminine,and worst yet: ya all knows it even some of your religions has claim it and yet..your deny it!! you are the fool one..because ,your came from women and not otherwise even your sperm CAME FROM AN EGG YA IDIOT WITHOUT A WOMAN,OR FEMALE,THERE WOULD NOT BE LIFE IN THE MATRIX,BABOON! LEARN THAT
Actually, when you divorce in China both parties gets what were originally theirs before marriage and split anything bought during marriage. It looks like husband gets all because all the things belongs to the husband before marriage. Most Chinese women wont even consider a man for marriage if you dont have a house a car and a high paying job. Even then the women and her family tends to preasure the man into adding her name into every asset and property he owns.
And to be fair, other than single child being a daughter, Chinese family would have the boy inherit all the property, buying house for them before marriage
the marriage law in China does not favor man or woman, it's mainly for portieres, whoever paid the house before married will get the house, if the other person contribute part of the house will get some compensation. If they both paid the house and two names was written on the paper, then they will split the house. it's simple as that.
That makes me clearly understood. I think it is better than the advanced countries' reverse discrimination, socalled feminism laws. Men must fight for their rights
It is very common in China for a couple to get a notary that determines their property and wealth before marriage, therefor if they get divorced, each side will only get the predetermined percentage of the property and wealth. It is fair that the side contributes more to the family would get a bigger portion after divorce.
Misleading title， husband take what belong to his own family( including anything from his parents and before marriage) and the same for wife. Anything own by the couple themselves during the marriage will split to half.
@@TrollHiddenCave then why not look for a marriage partner that feels the same way as you? If that isn't good enough look for someone willing to sign a prenup (stating what's mine is mine and what's yours is yours)? Don't use divorce statistics to avoid marriage as there are ways to protect yourself. There are people such as my mother, she divorced from her first husband (my older sister's dad) who was a total piece of shit to her. She could've taken literally everything from him hell his mother even encouraged her to take everything from him, she could have made it where he had no custody of my sister. My mom took nothing from him, she was not paid child support properly yet she never reported it, and she let him have weekends with my sister. So don't go believing all women would take your stuff if you get divorced plus you shouldn't even look towards divorce as that in itself will affect your psyche and possibly lead to divorce. HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY HONESTLY, BUT NEVER LIVE AS IF SHITS SET IN STONE. SORRY IF I SEEM TOO PREACHY, I REALLY DON'T MEAN IT LIKE THAT. IT WAS ONLY MEANT AS MAYBE HELPFUL WORDS. JUST TO BRAG ON THE EX'S MOTHER MY REPLACEMENT GRANDMOTHER. That POS's mother was the best grandmother I could've asked for, as my mother's mother I hate her and wish for her death. She considered me her own, she introduced me to anime and wherever we saw each other she'd have an even # of Pokemon card we'd open our packs and we'd trade cards. She didn't do the anime and Pokemon for me, she did all of that before she new I liked it. I wish she was stil l around but sadly she passed before anime streaming sites were a thing.
You guys seem to make it that its totally one sided in favor of men. From your own videos and other sources, it is hard for men without much resources to even get a wife in China and Chinese women feel entitled to be taken care of. Need to buy that apartment if you want to get married! If the men have to put in almost all the effort into gathering the resources, it makes sense to get them back when when the marriage fails. The society may change the rules, but will have to trade off something else to keep it worthy. For example women need to bring more resources into the marriage to being with. In the end if the system become too one sided, it will become an unattractive institution (marriage in this case) and result in less people favoring that form of institution. This is one of the main reasons, marriage has become less attractive to young men in the west.
Right, women in China are also to blame. But it is just silly to say, it is the men's fault, it is the women's fault. It is, in fact, the whole patriarchal culture in China that is to blame. It is the culture and I think that no one in China really benefits from such backwardness. China is way more patriarchal than many western countries. China's gender roles are still very traditional. The man is the provider, the woman is the one who needs to being taken care of. Being divorced is shameful and so forth.
unfortunately,the truth is, unlike western house wives,most Chinese wives still gotta work hard to provide for their families ,especially for those in big cities .how is that traditional and patriarchal ? Apparently,women don't have to work 2000 years ago in China.
That is probably because the Chinese wives in those families do not have enough money as one salary is not enough. You also miss one crucial point, in China, the grandmothers and grandfathers usually take care of the children, hence, the wife can work. In the west, most people do not have that luxury and is forced to stay at home as they most take care of the children and so forth. The gender roles are still very very traditional in China and the culture HEAVILY favors MEN. Look among the leaders of China, like all are men. People want a boy and not a girl. Girls are discriminated in the workplaces in China. It is not comparable. Thus, it is not strange that there are many very very smart and able women in China who become entrepreneurs because being an entrepreneur they do not have to put up with such nonsense and low glass ceilings.
I‘m sorry but you got the whole thing upside down.Indeed,more and more grandparents in China are helping young couples raising their kids,but it's not the reason of the fact that women work in China but the the result.20,or 30 years ago,when the pace in China is not so fast ,wives could manage to take care of their career and kids at the same time like my mum did.If you don't live in a big city in China like Shanghai which costs the wife too much to focus only on the family,you can raise your kids properly with less support from your patents or your parents-in-law.It's not like a tradition,it's a product of the modernization and feminism,and most important, love from the elders in families.
I believe they were talking solely about divorce and on the property aquired after marriage, simply because in Europe and in the West the property aquired after marriage is what is split up. Another thing - if there are women who don't feel entitled to be taken care of and all that jazz - would they be taken into a working enviroment with open arms? Would they not be looked down upon as business women? I feel like that is also a factor. But I don't really know, it's just what I've heard that women aren't taken seriously in the workforce. So how would they bring more resources into the marriage? I'd imagine they'd think "to hell with that, he better be rich if all I'll ever be is his wife".
As a westerner in China you should really go for divorced women and/or who are around 30. Seem to be way better "deals" than paying a dowry for young women, who are mostly also less independent and self sufficient.
Sometimes they cover them _ungracefully_ but honestly, which has way more value for me. Anyone could cover any topic pussyfooting around the issues and but that doesn't really educate anyone in the end.
I'm an American but I think China has a better take on the family court system. I'm scared of marriage because I don't want a woman to get tired of me and leave me, take half my money and run off with my kids, and now I'm forced to pay monthly payments to the woman who ran off while she's with some other guy because she got tired of me. It's the reality of the situation when you're married in America your wife has the upper hand over you. I think realistically it should be somewhere in the middle but where it stands right now as a man its set up so that by no fault of your own marriage in America can ruin you.
In America, The courts do rule highly more favorable for woman. Even when it comes to crimes. Woman who commit the same crimes get less jail times than men do.
Alex S. not according to recent news, 29 year old teacher banging with her students got two decades sentence. But a guy that raped a pass out woman caught by witnesses was let go with slap on his hand because jailing him will ruin his bright future.
It's so funny I'm watching your video and noticed, that truck keeps driving on the left in both directions and you guys passing them on right. Hahaha 🤭🤭🤭🤭
its who ever paid for the house, keeps it after the divorce not some anti woman law, rather a gender neutral law just happens to be, rich women usually don't get married so it seems that alot of (poorer) women are suffering due to this law problem is not with the law rather with female nature if poor women stop trying to land a rich man and marry some poor man then in divorce there will be no house to fight over, cause there wasn't one to begin with
Taiwan is similar custody wise. Thing over here is that the woman typically moves in with her husband's family. Her mother in law will raise the kids and the wife often goes back to work. In the case of divorce, the children stay with the dad (because his parents are doing the parenting) but the wife is entitled to 50% of assets accumulated during the course of the marriage. There is no concept of one party being the guilty one - even in the case of a proven affair! In rare cases, wives do get granted custody when there are no grandparents and the husband is an unemployed loser...
Interesting topic, I've had the displeasure of being divorced in China. My ex-wife was also previously married prior to our meeting, we had a daughter and after that things started to go down hill. I was really surprised how cheap divorce is here in China, for the divorce book only was about 8rmb. The hardest part about it was that we have a child together and they live in Zengcheng (part of Guangzhou) and I live and work in Dongguan. I do not get to see my daughter as often as I like.
I know from experience, here in NZ the law ALWAYS favor the woman in any separation!! Only way a man is able to win - spend A LOT of money to fight the law!!
actually the law doesn't specifically say men will get the house because of being a male. The law states WHOEVER paid for the house will be get the house after the divorce.
Yes, it is true. In China, the pecking order is basically this: 1 Government officials 2 Rich Chinese men 3 Rich Chinese women 4 Middle class Chinese men 5 Middle class Chinese women 6 Chinese poor/beggars 7 Foreign women 8 Foreign men 9 Black and Indian women (Chinese are biased against dark skin too) 10 Black and Indian men 11 Japanese At least we rank above Japanese!
Even a lot of western jurisdictions now only divide the assets accumulated after the marriage evenly. It is grossly unfair to evenly divide assets earned before marriage, specially assets transferred from the parents. That is just stupid, and more and more western countries are recognizing that.
Sorry I am making a comment based on only 2:43 of the video. Actually China had a lot of cases against men, and obviously with the balance much much biased towards the women, with the women taking the children as well as the possessions, leaving the men with nothing but tears. And those desperate men, not only one case but in multiple of them, were so frustrated and hopeless that they resorted to violence, killing in some cases even the judges and themselves. If one is so desperate to kill himself and the judge after the verdict, you more or less realize how unfair the verdict is to that person that he/she would sacrifice his own life to call for justice. Those fiery martyrs were obviously loving fathers because they not only lost their wealth or a portion of it but the custody of their own kids, which is a very important thing by Chinese tradition. This has stirred up attention from society, the government to review the situation whereby some evil women marry men only to plunder the possessions. I think the government made some changes to legislation in order to care about men more. There is no absolutely fairness on this planet. But if you see that the balance is tilted, you shift back to normal. Amn't I right ?
+VR2UNA they resort to violence because they can't get their own way, like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum. They are used to their families and grandmothers always treating them special just because they were born male
from a western perspective I agree with superdupercake, its hard to fathom 3% as real. Cultural divorce stigma must play a huge part in couples remaining together unhappy. maybe that's a factor wechat porn is exploding? a lot of unsatisfied dudes?
I think possibly that stat is per year , not total. Googles first result (from 'American Psychological Association') shows between 40-50% of all marriages fail in us.
not really, MGTOW exists because the family courts are biased against men so men don't get married. In China, because the courts are equal, men would want to get married
until the end i was worried the "i remember youuuuuu" part of the song wasn't gonna be in the video. anyway, the production quality gets better every time guys, great work.
Thank you for the video! From a sociological and historical perspective, a dowry or bride price is paid to the father in order to compensate for production or value the bride would have contributed to the family.
Its true Asia is male dominated society where women are submissive to men. That's why I love it in Asia. I know too many guys who have been screwed over by American women and lost everything to their ex wife. So I would much rather get married in Asia where men always come first.
3:14 - interesting to see that many semi-trucks parked on the road-side inside the city (but then it does look like there's room for them). What type of tanker trucks are they? They don't seem like fuel trucks.
@V T Wife take 100% of your family property in the West n UK if divorce + sole custody of your children, Husband take 0% + liable to pay all the legal fees..
In hong kong, the right to be the guardian of the children are decided by the child's decision and the capability of the financial fundings All other things should be divided equally and if couldn't be divided, priority to the opposite who proposed the divorce
"always favor the woman" is not accurate. It's far more likely to be the case though. It's especially less-likely to be the case if a woman had a high paying job, and they have no kids, or kids were raised by the father
Despite all the shitty comments down here its interesting to see how these things happen around the world! Thanks guys for always coming up with interesting content! I love your videos and I can't wait for the next one! Still jealous of your bike Winston! It matches my hair colour perfectly!
The law protects both, man and woman. it states that any property you own before you marry will remain in full with you if you divorce. This means that if a woman has the title of the house before marriage, she also is protected. Yes, statistically the parents buy the buy a house and thereby often the man will have in most cases the tittle. But the law itself is neutral.
I had heard a story about a Swedish woman who married a Chinese man. They had a son together, but then they got divorced, and the father's family took overwhelming custody of the kid, and now she is denied any contact. Because he was young, the child has essentially been pressured into accepting his auntie as his surrogate mother by his grandmother.
Well.... the marriage and dating market is remarkable efficient relative to western countries and kids don't grow up in dysfunctional single-mother households which are demonstrated to have a causal relationship to increased crime, depression and other mental illnesses, poverty, lower educational attainment, incarceration, or early preganancy, even holding income constant. Westerners are trapped in the naive idealism of gender egalitarianism, Chinese are pragmatic and know what's best for a well functioning society. Sorry if that's harsh or offensive, but the opposite extreme, rampant (often frivolous) divorce is a FAR worse alternative for children. Intact unions are essential for preventing social decay and degeneracy. Chinese need to be VERY careful when reforming divorce courts such that they don't reach anywhere near that opposite extreme.
I mean, it's not that the Chinese system is really fair, optimal, or the best way of doing things, just that it's still objectively better than the Canadian/American systems.
Guys thank you for another great video. I do not know if you did a video about internal migration in China rural urban migration. I was reading The Economist and it mentioned that rural dwellers are required to have a special permit to live and work in the cities. Can you explain how this works if it exists and what rights do these rural people have. Thanks again.
rural people can live and work in any city as they like. but they might not have health cover as they had back home. some big city have restriction on buying properties and cars. that's all.
rural people can live and work in any city as they like. but they might not have health cover as they had back home. some big city have restriction on buying properties and cars. that's all.
Thanks Winston and c-milk for the informative and Interesting content concerning China's family practice law from your prospective. To have a successful marriage and avoid those divorce courts requires numerous qualities one of which is the art of being able to forgive and accept forgiveness. To all you men keep in mind that women are very good multipliers. Give your wife a $100 for food and she will find a way to multiply that and make it worth $110. Give your wife the right substance and she will multiply it and give you a child. Show your wife a little love and affection and she will multiply it back to you ten fold in many ways. So when communicating with your wife always keep in mind the law of multiplication and you will not only be successful in marriage but in all of life.
The Real divorce rate in America for first marriages is 96% chance of divorce before 20 years married. For second marriages in America a 99% plus chance of divorce before 20 years married.
How's the social climate these days? Has it more or less welcoming since last falls videos? I was there in 2001 and want to return. I have big dreams of starting a CRISPR based bio-tech company and am loving everything you've produced so far. Thanks-
Love every single one of the drone shots! I am quite surprised (but not completely) that in a divorce in China the man will typically take all the assets. The woman is shamed and isolated, that seems a bit unfair especially with the man getting the assets. It's as if everything is taken from the women even the children. So I guess the upshot given what the woman has to lose it is incumbent upon her to try her very best to make the marriage work and actually work on pleasing the man so that the marriage does not dissolve. Interesting topic and as always another awesome Vlog guys! Thanks!
Exactly, it's great motivation to make the woman do all she can to make the marriage work, rather than filing for divorce because "she's not happy". FYI: Roughly three quarters of all women in the west who file for divorce give that as the reason.
Not ture. Wife can takes all too.That depends on many things.In most cases, each side gets half of the common property.In some cases,someone(male or female) may felt sorry for the husband(or wife),so they don`t take any penny.Or in some case,one side disdain to take the other side`s any penny.
I doubt the woman gets everything. if she is a mom then yes because of the children. That is not equality but more about how the law think they protect the kids. (I disagree that mothers are better parents, but this depends 100% on the situation of the family anyway) You are all idiots if you lose everything without having kids.
In China,marriage is not just about two people,it is about about two families! It is very important that both husband and wife have similar background !
I too am married for 46 years, live in Florida, USA. Country Music, love it or hate it....has a song about everything. There is one about divorce sung by a guy with lyrics " she got the gold mine, I got the shaft" . gotta love it. Awesome guys, get the tach fixed and now the speedo is out too.
Those statistics you mention at 2:25~ seem kinda off, you're missing some parameters there. Divorce rate in america is about 40-50% overall. Maybe im missing something, disregard this if that's the case.
So is there still problem with these "national chinese". If so how is it going. If not how did it end. I have been following this channel for some time and i am intrested about update's if possible.
I know some wealthy Thai guys who are refusing to marry Thai woman specifically because upon a divorce all property/assets will be split 50/50 regardless of who puts in what. As far as falang marriage there, it could very well be different as falang can't own land.
A dowry is when the wife's family gives a gift to the husband, not the other way around. What you are referring to (where the man pays wife's family) is a bride price. In the US the wife's parents normally pay for the wedding (which can be hugely expensive), which is a kind of dowry. Though as others have noted, the husband almost always gets hosed if things go south.
As a notarial law student, I find this quite an interesting topic... but I kind of felt that the title was a little bit misleading. If I'm correct, it just comes down to the idea that property which is owned by one of the parties before that party enters into marriage remains his/her property and, if the marriage ends, neither the property nor the value of that property has to be shared with the other spouse, whereas if something is acquired after the marriage, that thing (or at least the value of it) has to be shared equally? That in the essence isn't that much different from other matrimonial law systems in many western countries... but I kind of understand what you're getting at in this video: because men kind of have to own a house before they can marry, they'll always get the house at the end of the marriage, and so the woman is never able to be entitled to half of (the value of) the house.
Why would a woman need child support when it's the man who gets the children in a divorce? Unless it's because most women have the mentality of children to begin with and need to be taken care of as children anyway.
The title is fake and very biased. The new marriage law in 2011 strengthened the idea of "property before marriage", which means if you can prove that you paid all money for a property(house especially) before marriage, then you don't have to divide this property 50/50 when divorce, this works on both man and woman. However, if you paid the property by money after marriage, even if it just use your salary, you have to divide it. The law is to protect people from marriage trick. You can argue that this is fair or not fair, but the title is just biased, unfair, and, to my perspective, pathetic.
I can speak to why divorce law in China has to be that way. Like you said. It actually does not favor the men. Instead, it actually make it fair for both sides. Why? Because Chinese culture and tradition expect men to pay for everything. Even if the wife works and make money, the men has to pay for everything including her car and day to day spending. In addition, for a man to be considered marriage material, he has to have at least a 2-bedroom separate from his parents. Meaning, he has to to have a place ready for his wife to live in together just with him. If the woman is from a higher class family, the man is also expected to give a very big dowry. And if the woman does not work, he is expected to give most of his salary to the wife. So, it will be very unfair if the woman gets half of everything during divorce. Because that means she will get more then 70% of everything. It will be even worse if the she is the one who single handedly break up the marriage.
The vast majority of divorce cases over custody actually never reached family court in America, most of the time the ex-couple agree that the women gets custody and fathers ask for custody at such a low rate too
Another great video guys. I was wondering if China has police corruption like we have in America. Here in America it's gotten so bad that basically the police are totally out of control. Just really really bad here. Just really curious. Thanks guys. Keep up the good work
I'm confused. If people are getting divorced on purpose to trick the state, than all that statistics you mentioned are meaningless. Also, if laws used to protect women, then you can't say that the society is chauvinistic. You should analyse how much women initiated divorces were before and after the 2011 "man takes all" law.
Just curious, Why didnt Winston mention how he separated from his first wife, or was that in another video? I thought he said c milk had been divorced before but no details? Peace brothers!
In China, by law the asset is to be divided evenly between the husband and wife in the case of divorce if one goes to court. But the husbands often hide their assets from the wives (it's fairly easy to do this in China), and so the wives often get less.
Jimmy Butters I am just wondering that what kind of asshole by knowing that "in China, women got divorced became very hard to find a new husband" AND at the same time insist posting his ex wife wedding and honeymoon with him? I guess only the Mormon Lord in the suit is capable to do that...
I love all the China supporters come out and comment how divorce is fair in China when this wasn't even the topic and the guys explicitly avoided it. The fact remains, it's extremely biased in the western nations in favor of women, so by default, China has a much more fair divorce proceeding. Therefore, all of the complaints made are silly, but it is great to help the channel out by commenting all the same.
actually U made another mistake, according to the new marriage law, if the wife hold the house before marriage, husband is not be able to take away. But to some extent, you are right in that the female is some what disadvantage in divorce, especially when talking to the kids.
80% women file for divorce when their husbands have already moved out and moved on with their lives. Until the beginning of the 20th circa fathers were favored as to child custody. The mom's generally are the primary care givers, so they're favored in custody. Of course there's joint custody. If the dad is doing a number of the tasks in taking care of his kids, then he's favored in the custody. The divorce laws favor from state to state. In CA it's 50-50 as far as the settlement. Many people write up pre-nups. My wife and I weren't able to do so. So made an agreement and had it notarized. We can only divorce for biblical reasons: adultery, abuse and abandonment. Then we must go through marital counseling for one year. If the legitimate reasons are fulfilled and we can't reconcile then we will divorce.
My friend can't even see his kids in Florida because laws are pretty biased against men.
I met a guy who got called in because he was behind in his child support payments. Seems his old lady was hiding out with the kids so he didn't even know where they were, but he was still harassed as a "deadbeat dad". He dug in his heels. No kids, no dough. They let him go.
@@johnhardin2269 tell you what.,...in Germany as a man/Father you MUST pay...even if you do not see your child!!! So unfair. Most judges in family courts are women...so you can guess the outcome..right. Again: as a male in germany you are FUCKED after a divorce. There are even man that hide away just to avoid paying the high amounts of child alimony. While most women get state suport,Child support AND alimony..making MORE money then you with a paid job!!! How fair is that?? And most women do NOT work...for sure with kids under 12 yo.
I think every western country is like that
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it is a lie,because the dudes can see their kids...! family court from the usa shows that
@@pargm9543
and yourself oh baboon is playing with life
because this solar system has always been feminine,and worst yet: ya all knows it
even some of your religions has claim it and yet..your deny it!!
you are the fool one..because ,your came from women and not otherwise
even your sperm CAME FROM AN EGG YA IDIOT
WITHOUT A WOMAN,OR FEMALE,THERE WOULD NOT BE LIFE IN THE MATRIX,BABOON! LEARN THAT
I changed my mind I'm moving to China! China my man, one love from every man that's been takin advantage of around the world!
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Actually, when you divorce in China both parties gets what were originally theirs before marriage and split anything bought during marriage.
It looks like husband gets all because all the things belongs to the husband before marriage.
Most Chinese women wont even consider a man for marriage if you dont have a house a car and a high paying job.
Even then the women and her family tends to preasure the man into adding her name into every asset and property he owns.
Yes, they call that "Zugewinngemeinschaft" ("community of jointly-acquired property") in Germany, Very sensible solution, I think.
Oh geez now I kinda WANT China to take over the world!
And to be fair, other than single child being a daughter, Chinese family would have the boy inherit all the property, buying house for them before marriage
the marriage law in China does not favor man or woman, it's mainly for portieres, whoever paid the house before married will get the house, if the other person contribute part of the house will get some compensation. If they both paid the house and two names was written on the paper, then they will split the house. it's simple as that.
It's certainly not "man gets everything". if so, that's because man paid all the shit
That makes me clearly understood. I think it is better than the advanced countries' reverse discrimination, socalled feminism laws. Men must fight for their rights
Oh, well. That sounds ok. How does go children custody?
This sounds more fair.
This is mostly true. This video is mis-stating the facts.
It is not the husband takes all, it is the property owner get all. It can be the husband or wife or both.
but because of Chinese traditions the property owner is almost always the husband, right?
@@ОнуфрийНечепуренко yes because girl with property don't marry with jobless man.
Oh, you mean divorce is FAIR in China so all these dumb feminist cunts are crying that it favors the man?
@@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593 who are those feminists? Cause the only ones bitching are people like you
@@issecret1 you must be living under a rock.. feminists are everywhere and they fuck everything up.
It is very common in China for a couple to get a notary that determines their property and wealth before marriage, therefor if they get divorced, each side will only get the predetermined percentage of the property and wealth. It is fair that the side contributes more to the family would get a bigger portion after divorce.
Just when I've heard so much negativity about china then I hear this and they completely redeem themselves.
7:40 Why do you think she has to get something out of a divorce? Divorce is not a business to make profit.
Misleading title， husband take what belong to his own family( including anything from his parents and before marriage) and the same for wife. Anything own by the couple themselves during the marriage will split to half.
well that's the way it should be as it stands I refuse to get legally married in America because it's just a fucking trap designed to screw over man
@@TrollHiddenCave then why not look for a marriage partner that feels the same way as you? If that isn't good enough look for someone willing to sign a prenup (stating what's mine is mine and what's yours is yours)? Don't use divorce statistics to avoid marriage as there are ways to protect yourself.
There are people such as my mother, she divorced from her first husband (my older sister's dad) who was a total piece of shit to her. She could've taken literally everything from him hell his mother even encouraged her to take everything from him, she could have made it where he had no custody of my sister. My mom took nothing from him, she was not paid child support properly yet she never reported it, and she let him have weekends with my sister.
So don't go believing all women would take your stuff if you get divorced plus you shouldn't even look towards divorce as that in itself will affect your psyche and possibly lead to divorce. HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY HONESTLY, BUT NEVER LIVE AS IF SHITS SET IN STONE.
SORRY IF I SEEM TOO PREACHY, I REALLY DON'T MEAN IT LIKE THAT. IT WAS ONLY MEANT AS MAYBE HELPFUL WORDS.
JUST TO BRAG ON THE EX'S MOTHER MY REPLACEMENT GRANDMOTHER.
That POS's mother was the best grandmother I could've asked for, as my mother's mother I hate her and wish for her death. She considered me her own, she introduced me to anime and wherever we saw each other she'd have an even # of Pokemon card we'd open our packs and we'd trade cards. She didn't do the anime and Pokemon for me, she did all of that before she new I liked it. I wish she was stil l around but sadly she passed before anime streaming sites were a thing.
You guys seem to make it that its totally one sided in favor of men. From your own videos and other sources, it is hard for men without much resources to even get a wife in China and Chinese women feel entitled to be taken care of. Need to buy that apartment if you want to get married! If the men have to put in almost all the effort into gathering the resources, it makes sense to get them back when when the marriage fails.
The society may change the rules, but will have to trade off something else to keep it worthy. For example women need to bring more resources into the marriage to being with. In the end if the system become too one sided, it will become an unattractive institution (marriage in this case) and result in less people favoring that form of institution. This is one of the main reasons, marriage has become less attractive to young men in the west.
Right, women in China are also to blame. But it is just silly to say, it is the men's fault, it is the women's fault. It is, in fact, the whole patriarchal culture in China that is to blame. It is the culture and I think that no one in China really benefits from such backwardness. China is way more patriarchal than many western countries. China's gender roles are still very traditional. The man is the provider, the woman is the one who needs to being taken care of. Being divorced is shameful and so forth.
unfortunately,the truth is, unlike western house wives,most Chinese wives still gotta work hard to provide for their families ,especially for those in big cities .how is that traditional and patriarchal ? Apparently,women don't have to work 2000 years ago in China.
That is probably because the Chinese wives in those families do not have enough money as one salary is not enough. You also miss one crucial point, in China, the grandmothers and grandfathers usually take care of the children, hence, the wife can work. In the west, most people do not have that luxury and is forced to stay at home as they most take care of the children and so forth. The gender roles are still very very traditional in China and the culture HEAVILY favors MEN. Look among the leaders of China, like all are men. People want a boy and not a girl. Girls are discriminated in the workplaces in China. It is not comparable. Thus, it is not strange that there are many very very smart and able women in China who become entrepreneurs because being an entrepreneur they do not have to put up with such nonsense and low glass ceilings.
I‘m sorry but you got the whole thing upside down.Indeed,more and more grandparents in China are helping young couples raising their kids,but it's not the reason of the fact that women work in China but the the result.20,or 30 years ago,when the pace in China is not so fast ,wives could manage to take care of their career and kids at the same time like my mum did.If you don't live in a big city in China like Shanghai which costs the wife too much to focus only on the family,you can raise your kids properly with less support from your patents or your parents-in-law.It's not like a tradition,it's a product of the modernization and feminism,and most important, love from the elders in families.
I believe they were talking solely about divorce and on the property aquired after marriage, simply because in Europe and in the West the property aquired after marriage is what is split up.
Another thing - if there are women who don't feel entitled to be taken care of and all that jazz - would they be taken into a working enviroment with open arms? Would they not be looked down upon as business women? I feel like that is also a factor.
But I don't really know, it's just what I've heard that women aren't taken seriously in the workforce. So how would they bring more resources into the marriage? I'd imagine they'd think "to hell with that, he better be rich if all I'll ever be is his wife".
I just got in a large argument with someone who thought China is like it was during Mao times. I won.
Best Thumbnail image ever. I'll come back to watch the video later.
As a westerner in China you should really go for divorced women and/or who are around 30. Seem to be way better "deals" than paying a dowry for young women, who are mostly also less independent and self sufficient.
Praise where praise is due~ nobody covers sensitive topics as gracefully as you two dudes. Cheers hope Conquering Northern China is going well.
Sometimes they cover them _ungracefully_ but honestly, which has way more value for me. Anyone could cover any topic pussyfooting around the issues and but that doesn't really educate anyone in the end.
I'm an American but I think China has a better take on the family court system. I'm scared of marriage because I don't want a woman to get tired of me and leave me, take half my money and run off with my kids, and now I'm forced to pay monthly payments to the woman who ran off while she's with some other guy because she got tired of me. It's the reality of the situation when you're married in America your wife has the upper hand over you. I think realistically it should be somewhere in the middle but where it stands right now as a man its set up so that by no fault of your own marriage in America can ruin you.
In America, The courts do rule highly more favorable for woman. Even when it comes to crimes. Woman who commit the same crimes get less jail times than men do.
Alex S. not according to recent news, 29 year old teacher banging with her students got two decades sentence. But a guy that raped a pass out woman caught by witnesses was let go with slap on his hand because jailing him will ruin his bright future.
It's so funny I'm watching your video and noticed, that truck keeps driving on the left in both directions and you guys passing them on right. Hahaha 🤭🤭🤭🤭
Love the fact that you guys displayed the song and artists behind the song that ADV China uses... The music video is quite fitting for this subject
its who ever paid for the house, keeps it after the divorce
not some anti woman law, rather a gender neutral law
just happens to be, rich women usually don't get married
so it seems that alot of (poorer) women are suffering due to this law
problem is not with the law rather with female nature
if poor women stop trying to land a rich man and marry some poor man
then in divorce there will be no house to fight over, cause there wasn't one to begin with
Taiwan is similar custody wise. Thing over here is that the woman typically moves in with her husband's family. Her mother in law will raise the kids and the wife often goes back to work. In the case of divorce, the children stay with the dad (because his parents are doing the parenting) but the wife is entitled to 50% of assets accumulated during the course of the marriage. There is no concept of one party being the guilty one - even in the case of a proven affair! In rare cases, wives do get granted custody when there are no grandparents and the husband is an unemployed loser...
jontheb123 Similar in Korea
Interesting topic, I've had the displeasure of being divorced in China. My ex-wife was also previously married prior to our meeting, we had a daughter and after that things started to go down hill. I was really surprised how cheap divorce is here in China, for the divorce book only was about 8rmb.
The hardest part about it was that we have a child together and they live in Zengcheng (part of Guangzhou) and I live and work in Dongguan. I do not get to see my daughter as often as I like.
that was because the husband in china pays for everything, so if the marriage breaks down, he takes everything with him
Actually it’s because Chinese family only provide house and give inheritance to boys, unless they have a single child being a daughter
I know from experience, here in NZ the law ALWAYS favor the woman in any separation!! Only way a man is able to win - spend A LOT of money to fight the law!!
You have a queen. Surprised you live in a matriarchy?
@@johnhardin2269 its like that in all the west pretty much
actually the law doesn't specifically say men will get the house because of being a male. The law states WHOEVER paid for the house will be get the house after the divorce.
Oh geez now I kinda WANT China to take over the world!
Yes, it is true. In China, the pecking order is basically this:
1 Government officials
2 Rich Chinese men
3 Rich Chinese women
4 Middle class Chinese men
5 Middle class Chinese women
6 Chinese poor/beggars
7 Foreign women
8 Foreign men
9 Black and Indian women (Chinese are biased against dark skin too)
10 Black and Indian men
11 Japanese
At least we rank above Japanese!
The one who earned it keeps it, sounds smart.
Even a lot of western jurisdictions now only divide the assets accumulated after the marriage evenly. It is grossly unfair to evenly divide assets earned before marriage, specially assets transferred from the parents. That is just stupid, and more and more western countries are recognizing that.
Sorry I am making a comment based on only 2:43 of the video. Actually China had a lot of cases against men, and obviously with the balance much much biased towards the women, with the women taking the children as well as the possessions, leaving the men with nothing but tears. And those desperate men, not only one case but in multiple of them, were so frustrated and hopeless that they resorted to violence, killing in some cases even the judges and themselves. If one is so desperate to kill himself and the judge after the verdict, you more or less realize how unfair the verdict is to that person that he/she would sacrifice his own life to call for justice. Those fiery martyrs were obviously loving fathers because they not only lost their wealth or a portion of it but the custody of their own kids, which is a very important thing by Chinese tradition. This has stirred up attention from society, the government to review the situation whereby some evil women marry men only to plunder the possessions. I think the government made some changes to legislation in order to care about men more. There is no absolutely fairness on this planet. But if you see that the balance is tilted, you shift back to normal. Amn't I right ?
+VR2UNA they resort to violence because they can't get their own way, like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum. They are used to their families and grandmothers always treating them special just because they were born male
its hard to believe that only 3 out of 1000 marriages end in divorce
from a western perspective I agree with superdupercake, its hard to fathom 3% as real. Cultural divorce stigma must play a huge part in couples remaining together unhappy. maybe that's a factor wechat porn is exploding? a lot of unsatisfied dudes?
im talking about americas statistics 3.2/1000 marriages lead to divorce, it feels like theres no way this could be true
I think possibly that stat is per year , not total. Googles first result (from 'American Psychological Association') shows between 40-50% of all marriages fail in us.
oh yeah of course that makes more sense
Cheers Derrick!
THIS IS A MGTOW PARADISE
Oh geez now I kinda WANT China to take over the world!
not really, MGTOW exists because the family courts are biased against men so men don't get married. In China, because the courts are equal, men would want to get married
The Zulu king ruled labola out in South Africa a couple of months ago. They are not allowed to ask money for women anymore.
32 years and going strong. Best times of my life.
until the end i was worried the "i remember youuuuuu" part of the song wasn't gonna be in the video. anyway, the production quality gets better every time guys, great work.
Thank you for the video! From a sociological and historical perspective, a dowry or bride price is paid to the father in order to compensate for production or value the bride would have contributed to the family.
Is that like saying, a young man doesn't contribute to the family? In traditional farming communities, it may be true.
Its true Asia is male dominated society where women are submissive to men. That's why I love it in Asia. I know too many guys who have been screwed over by American women and lost everything to their ex wife. So I would much rather get married in Asia where men always come first.
uscbruin213 I don't think so, China is more like woman dominate but Japan and Korea ,yes,men dominate
what camera did you use and how you do that you both can talk without any noise?
3:14 - interesting to see that many semi-trucks parked on the road-side inside the city (but then it does look like there's room for them). What type of tanker trucks are they? They don't seem like fuel trucks.
Huh, suddenly all those stories of chinese women going violent if a man that was dating her decides to quit the relationship begin to make sense.
China has very good rights and thats why china is not dying out like west
@V T Wife take 100% of your family property in the West n UK if divorce + sole custody of your children, Husband take 0% + liable to pay all the legal fees..
In hong kong, the right to be the guardian of the children are decided by the child's decision and the capability of the financial fundings
All other things should be divided equally and if couldn't be divided, priority to the opposite who proposed the divorce
Chloe Lau it sounds much more logical than the American system
"always favor the woman" is not accurate. It's far more likely to be the case though. It's especially less-likely to be the case if a woman had a high paying job, and they have no kids, or kids were raised by the father
Despite all the shitty comments down here its interesting to see how these things happen around the world!
Thanks guys for always coming up with interesting content! I love your videos and I can't wait for the next one! Still jealous of your bike Winston! It matches my hair colour perfectly!
I'd be interested to hear more about the divorce process that Winston went through.
Beer girl kicked him in the nuts and told him were to stick his bikes and beer bottles.
The law protects both, man and woman. it states that any property you own before you marry will remain in full with you if you divorce. This means that if a woman has the title of the house before marriage, she also is protected. Yes, statistically the parents buy the buy a house and thereby often the man will have in most cases the tittle. But the law itself is neutral.
So who flies the drone while you are both riding?
The more I hear these guys talk, the more I like China! Need a Chinese wife.
Maybe... JUST MAYBE the courts should favor NEITHER sex and judge case by case?
Great video guys! Good luck with the filming for Northern China this month!
I had heard a story about a Swedish woman who married a Chinese man. They had a son together, but then they got divorced, and the father's family took overwhelming custody of the kid, and now she is denied any contact. Because he was young, the child has essentially been pressured into accepting his auntie as his surrogate mother by his grandmother.
Did you guys switch cameras? The clarity in the latest videos is really great!
Well.... the marriage and dating market is remarkable efficient relative to western countries and kids don't grow up in dysfunctional single-mother households which are demonstrated to have a causal relationship to increased crime, depression and other mental illnesses, poverty, lower educational attainment, incarceration, or early preganancy, even holding income constant. Westerners are trapped in the naive idealism of gender egalitarianism, Chinese are pragmatic and know what's best for a well functioning society. Sorry if that's harsh or offensive, but the opposite extreme, rampant (often frivolous) divorce is a FAR worse alternative for children. Intact unions are essential for preventing social decay and degeneracy. Chinese need to be VERY careful when reforming divorce courts such that they don't reach anywhere near that opposite extreme.
I mean, it's not that the Chinese system is really fair, optimal, or the best way of doing things, just that it's still objectively better than the Canadian/American systems.
Guys thank you for another great video. I do not know if you did a video about internal migration in China rural urban migration. I was reading The Economist and it mentioned that rural dwellers are required to have a special permit to live and work in the cities. Can you explain how this works if it exists and what rights do these rural people have. Thanks again.
rural people can live and work in any city as they like. but they might not have health cover as they had back home. some big city have restriction on buying properties and cars. that's all.
rural people can live and work in any city as they like. but they might not have health cover as they had back home. some big city have restriction on buying properties and cars. that's all.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou_system
Thanks Winston and c-milk for the informative and Interesting content concerning China's family practice law from your prospective. To have a successful marriage and avoid those divorce courts requires numerous qualities one of which is the art of being able to forgive and accept forgiveness. To all you men keep in mind that women are very good multipliers. Give your wife a $100 for food and she will find a way to multiply that and make it worth $110. Give your wife the right substance and she will multiply it and give you a child. Show your wife a little love and affection and she will multiply it back to you ten fold in many ways. So when communicating with your wife always keep in mind the law of multiplication and you will not only be successful in marriage but in all of life.
I know that in the case of my fiance when she got divorced everything went to her husband including the child
The Real divorce rate in America for first marriages is 96% chance of divorce before 20 years married. For second marriages in America a 99% plus chance of divorce before 20 years married.
More like keeping what is yours instead of being robbed.
you guys are my dynamic duo. God protect you guys out there with millions of Asian drivers. #not racist .
#not racist, JUST REALIST. LOL
I don't think husbands take all in China, if woman own and pay for the property ,she get it, vice versa.
No true. They will divide their possession equally or base on prenuptial agreement.
How do you get the drone footage from behind while driving?
+alex andoven active track
How's the social climate these days? Has it more or less welcoming since last falls videos? I was there in 2001 and want to return. I have big dreams of starting a CRISPR based bio-tech company and am loving everything you've produced so far. Thanks-
70% of all divorces are initiated by the woman and the most cited reason is "boredom". Most inmates in prisons are from fatherless homes.
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Love every single one of the drone shots! I am quite surprised (but not completely) that in a divorce in China the man will typically take all the assets. The woman is shamed and isolated, that seems a bit unfair especially with the man getting the assets. It's as if everything is taken from the women even the children. So I guess the upshot given what the woman has to lose it is incumbent upon her to try her very best to make the marriage work and actually work on pleasing the man so that the marriage does not dissolve. Interesting topic and as always another awesome Vlog guys! Thanks!
Exactly, it's great motivation to make the woman do all she can to make the marriage work, rather than filing for divorce because "she's not happy". FYI: Roughly three quarters of all women in the west who file for divorce give that as the reason.
Not ture. Wife can takes all too.That depends on many things.In most cases, each side gets half of the common property.In some cases,someone(male or female) may felt sorry for the husband(or wife),so they don`t take any penny.Or in some case,one side disdain to take the other side`s any penny.
I'm confused as to how people commented 4 days ago and how I saw the video on the home page but it's not showing up on your channel.
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IDK for sure but i'm going to agree with ADVChina on this one.
In America it is the opposite. The women take all. I like the Chinese way.
@serpantza don't know if you noticed but the speed gauge doesn't seem to be working on your bike
In America nothing is 50/50...... the woman takes 95% and the man stays with 3%..... the other 2% is tax on top of 0.0005 of more TAX.
Labyrinth9000
True indeed. 👊🏽
R-Mon Damage In USA marrying a women is a HUGE RISK!!!!
*****
As well very very Dangerous. 👊🏽
R-Mon Damage wow USA is even more feminized then Sweden on that point!
I doubt the woman gets everything. if she is a mom then yes because of the children. That is not equality but more about how the law think they protect the kids. (I disagree that mothers are better parents, but this depends 100% on the situation of the family anyway)
You are all idiots if you lose everything without having kids.
In China,marriage is not just about two people,it is about about two families! It is very important that both husband and wife have similar background !
nice video, awesome drone shots!!
I too am married for 46 years, live in Florida, USA. Country Music, love it or hate it....has a song about everything. There is one about divorce sung by a guy with lyrics " she got the gold mine, I got the shaft" . gotta love it. Awesome guys, get the tach fixed and now the speedo is out too.
China seems like a good place to move into
Those statistics you mention at 2:25~ seem kinda off, you're missing some parameters there. Divorce rate in america is about 40-50% overall. Maybe im missing something, disregard this if that's the case.
So is there still problem with these "national chinese". If so how is it going. If not how did it end. I have been following this channel for some time and i am intrested about update's if possible.
I think the fairest way is how they do it in Thailand, in a divorce you will get what you put in and that's it!
I know some wealthy Thai guys who are refusing to marry Thai woman specifically because upon a divorce all property/assets will be split 50/50 regardless of who puts in what. As far as falang marriage there, it could very well be different as falang can't own land.
Is there any Tab of the guitar music at the start of the video?
A dowry is when the wife's family gives a gift to the husband, not the other way around. What you are referring to (where the man pays wife's family) is a bride price. In the US the wife's parents normally pay for the wedding (which can be hugely expensive), which is a kind of dowry. Though as others have noted, the husband almost always gets hosed if things go south.
No, my mom actually got the apartment in 1997, the year my parents divorce.
As a notarial law student, I find this quite an interesting topic... but I kind of felt that the title was a little bit misleading. If I'm correct, it just comes down to the idea that property which is owned by one of the parties before that party enters into marriage remains his/her property and, if the marriage ends, neither the property nor the value of that property has to be shared with the other spouse, whereas if something is acquired after the marriage, that thing (or at least the value of it) has to be shared equally? That in the essence isn't that much different from other matrimonial law systems in many western countries... but I kind of understand what you're getting at in this video: because men kind of have to own a house before they can marry, they'll always get the house at the end of the marriage, and so the woman is never able to be entitled to half of (the value of) the house.
Is there child support for divorced women in China?
Why would a woman need child support when it's the man who gets the children in a divorce? Unless it's because most women have the mentality of children to begin with and need to be taken care of as children anyway.
The title is fake and very biased.
The new marriage law in 2011 strengthened the idea of "property before marriage", which means if you can prove that you paid all money for a property(house especially) before marriage, then you don't have to divide this property 50/50 when divorce, this works on both man and woman. However, if you paid the property by money after marriage, even if it just use your salary, you have to divide it.
The law is to protect people from marriage trick. You can argue that this is fair or not fair, but the title is just biased, unfair, and, to my perspective, pathetic.
I can speak to why divorce law in China has to be that way. Like you said. It actually does not favor the men. Instead, it actually make it fair for both sides. Why? Because Chinese culture and tradition expect men to pay for everything. Even if the wife works and make money, the men has to pay for everything including her car and day to day spending. In addition, for a man to be considered marriage material, he has to have at least a 2-bedroom separate from his parents. Meaning, he has to to have a place ready for his wife to live in together just with him. If the woman is from a higher class family, the man is also expected to give a very big dowry. And if the woman does not work, he is expected to give most of his salary to the wife. So, it will be very unfair if the woman gets half of everything during divorce. Because that means she will get more then 70% of everything. It will be even worse if the she is the one who single handedly break up the marriage.
Why don"t you have mirrors on the motorcycles???
The vast majority of divorce cases over custody actually never reached family court in America, most of the time the ex-couple agree that the women gets custody and fathers ask for custody at such a low rate too
Kid :Dad how did you meet mum ?
Dad: I swapped her for a haystack
And she swapped me for nothing. Got me for free
Another great video guys. I was wondering if China has police corruption like we have in America. Here in America it's gotten so bad that basically the police are totally out of control. Just really really bad here. Just really curious. Thanks guys. Keep up the good work
I'm confused. If people are getting divorced on purpose to trick the state, than all that statistics you mentioned are meaningless.
Also, if laws used to protect women, then you can't say that the society is chauvinistic.
You should analyse how much women initiated divorces were before and after the 2011 "man takes all" law.
As an American I grew up with many friends with single parent families...all living with mother.
Great video! Interesting to hear how the court systems tend to rule in China.
hey Serpent what do ya make of "Baizuo" Californua governor Jerry Brown on a bribery racketeering tour of China, do they talk about him?
y does winston not have a baby, wont the mother in law be mad?
Just curious, Why didnt Winston mention how he separated from his first wife, or was that in another video? I thought he said c milk had been divorced before but no details? Peace brothers!
In China, by law the asset is to be divided evenly between the husband and wife in the case of divorce if one goes to court. But the husbands often hide their assets from the wives (it's fairly easy to do this in China), and so the wives often get less.
Winston, C-Milk, how would an expat in china best protect assets from unfairly getting taken by a chinese spouse in divorce.
How many genders do they have in China?
luckily, just two in ID now~
Jimmy Butters what does this even mean? I'm confused..
To my understanding, gender is binary
Jimmy Butters I am just wondering that what kind of asshole by knowing that "in China, women got divorced became very hard to find a new husband" AND at the same time insist posting his ex wife wedding and honeymoon with him? I guess only the Mormon Lord in the suit is capable to do that...
only one that matters
Only two for now, that it unless/until feminism takes root and destroys them.
Wow I mentioned you should make this video and here it is
Actually, Mao said "women CAN hold up half the sky." He was trying to get Chinese women out of the house and into the work force.
I love all the China supporters come out and comment how divorce is fair in China when this wasn't even the topic and the guys explicitly avoided it. The fact remains, it's extremely biased in the western nations in favor of women, so by default, China has a much more fair divorce proceeding. Therefore, all of the complaints made are silly, but it is great to help the channel out by commenting all the same.
actually U made another mistake, according to the new marriage law, if the wife hold the house before marriage, husband is not be able to take away. But to some extent, you are right in that the female is some what disadvantage in divorce, especially when talking to the kids.
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Hey, one of my coworkers is a big fan of your videos! I will be in Shenzhen for two weeks in July. Do you guys have time to meet up for coffee?
80% women file for divorce when their husbands have already moved out and moved on with their lives. Until the beginning of the 20th circa fathers were favored as to child custody. The mom's generally are the primary care givers, so they're favored in custody. Of course there's joint custody. If the dad is doing a number of the tasks in taking care of his kids, then he's favored in the custody. The divorce laws favor from state to state. In CA it's 50-50 as far as the settlement. Many people write up pre-nups. My wife and I weren't able to do so. So made an agreement and had it notarized. We can only divorce for biblical reasons: adultery, abuse and abandonment. Then we must go through marital counseling for one year. If the legitimate reasons are fulfilled and we can't reconcile then we will divorce.