I have a modified, stage 2, 6 speed manual 2016 GTI. This is one of the most fun cars that I have ever owned. 4 years later, I still love driving it. Great job as usual Joe!
My wife bought this model, except in the dark blue and with the 6 speed MT. You nailed it. It’s just a great, fun daily driver that’ll make you smile every time you drive.
This is the only four door car I would feel ok driving. The golf GTI is legendary. Its a great all in one car. Its very practical and very fun to drive. I test drove one years ago and it reminded me of a go kart. Thanks for this review Joe!
Fun fact: I’m a trucker, and I deliver oil filters to that Napa Auto Parts warehouse you’re passing at 16:30. Funny seeing it in one of your videos. These GTIs are engineering marvels. Thanks for sharing it with us!
I have an MK6 bought it brand new and has been very reliable except for the HPFP, intake and water pump! Didn’t pay anything because still had warranty and the intake was a recall!!! I have 75000 miles and still puts a smile whenever I drive it! Love it!!!! ❤️
@@RaitisRides This is a bullshit video!!!!! I have the identical car but it's a 2016. He's a liar. I have all the same appointments that this 2020 GTI has to offer!!!!!! And my car is Stage 2 tuned @337HP
@@sporopeza Maybe not if you have S model, before 2018 you only have a electronic fake diff. However this video isnt completely factual. In 2018+ they made the 10hp performance package, golf r bigger brakes and a mechanical lsd standard in all models making the S a real good deal. Sports edition you get adaptive lighting, a sunroof and leather seats. Autobahn you get ACC, adaptive dampers and the 8'' screen. Just bought a 2020 S and just wish it had the fancier headlights but definitely not worth an extra 3500$ more.
It does have a lumbar adjustment. It's on the side of the backrest. It's not a fancy one but it does allow you to adjust how it supports your lower back.
I believe the GTI has been around since 1983. My first new car was a 1986 Toyota Corolla GTS. DOHC, 16 valve, with limited slip differential and premium stereo options from the factory. I still look back after all these years with nothing but admiration for these cars. You have to love an affordable hot hatch. I was 25 years old and on top of the world when I took delivery and drove it out of the dealership for the first time. I am an old man now and yet I still love these vehicles. Great review Joe and thanks for rekindling the memories of youth and automotive bliss I enjoyed way back when! ❤️
I've owned three GTI's over the years, a MK2 from the '80's and the last of the MK6 generation (2013 in the US) and my current MK7.5 Autobahn with a DSG transmission. Obviously, I like the car. No vehicle is perfect but there are a number of aspects of the GTI that I love. () Size and versatility. The GTI is 168" long. It's a parochial benefit but it means I get a significant discount on Washington State ferries for a car that isn't over 14 ft in length. There are always complaints that the Golf size and shape has stayed more or less unchanged over the years, often from those who yearn for a vehicle that resembles a Hot Wheels toy. But the reason the Golf has changed so little from one generation to the next is that it is so perfect for its mission. Small on the outside designed for European city streets but with a voluminous interior. A Civic Type R, for example, is about a foot longer than the GTI (179.4") but has less overall cargo space than the GTI (46 cubic ft vs 54.) And unlike its "hot hatch" rivals the rectangular shape of the GTI means every single cubic inch of the cargo space is usable. Need to bring home a semi-annual trip to Costco? The GTI will do that job. Need headroom for a six footer in the back seat. Ditto. () Engine and Performance. The EA888 turbo 4 engine is a wonder, deployed in a variety of VW and Audi products in various stages of tune. My 2018 GTI is rated at 218 HP/258 ft lbs of torque. The 2019 and 2020 models upped the HP rating by 10 with the same torque. Based on my experience I'd guarantee no one can tell the difference. VW engines are known for underestimating their engines' spec figures, likely because insurance rates in Europe are heavily influenced by stock HP. And if the stock specs aren't enough a Stage I APR ECU tune upped the the HP of my 2013 GTI by 60 and the torque by about 50 ft lbs. All without impacting the reliability of the vehicle. More on that below. Unlike the Veloster N or the Civic Type R the GTI isn't designed to be a track toy off the showroom floor. But my track days are spent on two wheels rather than four so that's not a weakness for me. And for spirited driving on public roads in the mountains, it's hard to beat especially by a FWD vehicle. () Comfort. European vehicles tend to have firmer seats than Asian and American counterparts. Personally, I find the seats of my GTI among the most comfortable, especially over a long drive, of any car I've ever owned. And my wife, notoriously hard to please, agrees. But I have an Autobahn version with lumbar support so that may make a difference compared to Joe's experience. Likewise, my Autobahn trim includes dual zone climate controls and that's a huge plus since I like to put the A/C to a temp that would be suitable for hanging meat in the cabin and my wife differs strongly. Otherwise, the fantastic visibility and easily understood controls are large pluses. () DSG Transmission. Until I replaced my Mazda RX-8 with my 2013 GTI I had never been without at least one MT vehicle in my garage. Thinking about commuting in Seattle (arggghh!) I decided to take a chance with VW dual clutch. When I replaced that vehicle in 2018, I didn't even consider the MT despite the fact that long commutes were no longer a priority. I spend about 60% of the time with the transmission in manual mode so I can select a gear that's held until an automatic upshift at red line or downshifts when I come to a stop. Otherwise, I let the transmission shift for me. It's quicker than I (or any human) am.A major benefit of the DSG for those who "tune" a GTI is that it handles the torque without a problem. Not so for the MT choice where an upgraded and/or periodic clutch replacement is highly recommended. () Price. This is an issue that has both positive and negative aspects. GTI's in North America are far less expensive than in Europe. A top trim Autobahn GTI in Germany, for example, has an MSRP converted to the US MSRP would be over $50,000. Furthermore, VW dealers are frequently willing to sell GTI's at well under MSRP. I purchased my fully loaded GTI a year and a half ago for $32,000 plus TTL, a price about $6000 less than the Autobahn MSRP. On the other hand, as GTI owners are well aware, the vehicles sent to the US typically lack some features available on the GTI in Europe (e.g. the digital cockpit available since 2019 in Europe and missing altogether in the MK7 generation in the US.) Additionally, European customers can pick and choose individual options they prefer while US consumers are typically presented with a largely "take it or leave it" set of features at each trim level, a practice that enables VW to contain production costs and VW dealers to avoid having vehicles sit unsold on their lots because they lack a popular option or have an individual option that most buyers don't want to pay for. Overall, GTI's command a moderate price premium over most rivals, not unusual for any European vehicle. Part of that premium is the result of the iconic reputation of the GTI and some results from its uniquely versatile character. But the bottom line is (at least here in the Pacific Northwest) the real world price of well equipped GTI's (SE to Autobahn) range from the high $20K's to the low to mid $30K's.
I also had a 2013 GTI, I upgraded this year to a 2020 SE. What did you use to tune your car and did it void the warranty? I am still considering tuning options. Great review by the way!
@@croat5786 Thanks for the comment. I only have experience with APR as a tuning vendor. One of the premiere sources for APR is located near me in the Seattle area and I knew several others who had opted for APR so I went that way with their Stage I ECU tune. I've heard good things about alternate vendors but I can only vouch for APR. Here's the deal about the VW warranty. As far as I know every case brought to courts have found that the warranty can be voided ONLY if an issue can be shown to have resulted directly from the tuning modification. I belong to a local group of GTI/Golf R owners and have never heard of a Stage I tune to have resulted in such a problem. But while I don't know of any cases where more extensive mods (e.g Stage II, III, IV, etc) have run into the problem, it only stands to reason that modifying the GTI to deliver up to 500 hp might well stress components to the breaking point. (Personally, I don't see much point in more extensive mods in a GTI for normal use but YMMV.) In any event, the courts have found that VW cannot voi a warranty claim for, say, a fuel pump, infotainment system, or electrical system failure just because the ECU has been modified. Of course, relying on successfully suing a dealer (or VW) to deal with a refusal to honor a warranty isn't an approach anyone wants to rely upon. So here are some points to keep in mind. () Any modification that adds HP and torque puts additional stress on components. The most obvious impacts of a Stage I ECU tune are on tire and clutch wear. As far as tires are concerned, just be aware that mashing the throttle at every green light is going to reduce tire life. But tires aren't covered by the VW warranty, anyway. As for clutch wear, that depends on whether you have an MT or DSG transmission. Before I had the Stage I mod performed the APR tech asked if I had a manual transmission. When I said my GTI had the DSG, he noted that I wouldn't have to worry about upgrading or periodically replacing the clutch since the DSG easily handled the power increase while the MT sometimes experienced additional clutch wear. So keep that in mind. But again, excessive clutch wear isn't a warranty issue anyway. Clutch plates, like tires and wiper blades are considered "consumables." (For what it's worth, I put about 40K miles on my tuned MK6 GTI and never encountered an issue.) () When you purchase a GTI (or another VW candidate for tuning) it's worth asking the dealer if they're "tuner friendly." Some dealers even offer APR tuning services, themselves. Those dealers will honor a VW warranty if an issue arises. My dealer doesn't offer tuning services but they explicitly recommend APR tuning services from a local independent shop and as far as I know never turn down a warranty claim solely on the basis of tuning modifications. ( ) Finally, if you're still concerned about voiding the VW warranty it's worth noting that APR offers a warranty on their tuning services and products that provides coverage identical to the VW power train warranty at a modest additional price. Warranty work can be performed at any shop, even VW dealers, without involving the VW warranty. On a GTI the entire price of a Stage I tune including the warranty coverage is $1100, I believe. That's about $300 more than a standard Stage I tune. By the way, I'm not associated with APR in any way other than being a satisfied customer. Other tuning brands may well be just as satisfactory, may offer features that APR products do not, and may offer independent warranty coverage, as well. It's also worth noting that everything said above applies to other VW models with the EA888 engine including the Tiguan, Atlas, and GLI.
@@stephenhendricks103 Thanks for the information. I am defiantly looking in APR right now. I am going to check about the dealer near me is tuner friendly. Super excited to see the difference the tune will make!
A young man up the street has a white one. He traded his Mustang GT in for it. I liked his Mustang better. I think he needed better gas mileage. Nice job Joe! 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸
I live in NYC and there is a mustang parked on every block. It's about as widespread here as black rideshare camries with TLC plates. Of course dodge charger trails pretty close as well in this category.
One of the FEW (sporty) cars I'd pick with the DSG (DCT/Auto) - the main reason is it's _that good_ and you're looking for a level of practicality in a car like this. If it's a sport car and if there's a manual option I'd pick it every time...
Bruh we test drove a Hyundai Elantra GT N Line and we liked it, but the build quality wasn’t amazing and we liked the look of the Golf better. The interior of the Golf was much better built and used nicer materials than the Elantra GT. I love the GTI and we’ve driven it about 1,500 miles already and love everything about it.🤷♂️
Are you on the pirellis? How's the comfort over bumps? If i get the gti, I think I'd want to try michelin premiers since the S won't have the adaptive dampers.
@Peaceful Music: I got Pirellis to replace stock Bridgestone Potenza tires. Very comfortable ride with the Pirellis. The Potenza tires were pretty bad, and totally useless in the occasional snow we get. So glad to have the Pirellis
Yeah I have this exact same trim from 2019. After looking at the mk 8, I regret nothing haha. About the lumbar support, yes I do wish the lever would give me a bit more support but it is what it is.
Hey Joe, great review, but you got a few things wrong in it: 1. The price of the GTI for 2019 (MK7.5 version) went way up compared to the MK7 gen (2015-2018). The SE spec in 2017 was $26k brand new. Now it’s $32k. 2. It does not matter the spec. The infotainment is all standard across all spec’s of GTI’s. 3. There is also a Rabbit version, as well as a ClubSport version. 4. There ARE lower lumbar adjustments. It’s on the side of the seat, along the middle of the side. Not on the bottom of the side. 5. There are other compartments you missed. 🙂 6. The center arm rest actuall moves up and down, as well as forward and back, and will maintain desired positions. 🙂 7. VW doesn’t put in full electric seats, to save weight. 🙂 8. The empty button areas are used for the higher trim levels, just like all other cars do. Just wanted to clarify 🙂. Great review regardless.
Odd, from what I've seen all three GTI trims have unique head units (in the USA; this differs in other countries). The S has as 6.5" color display. The SE has that wonderful 8" IPS panel unit. And the Autobahn has a 8" IPS panel unit with build-in navigation functionality and whatever the "Fender" specification adds. The USA dropped the Rabbit version for the 2020 MY and there has never been (recently?) a Clubsport, although, from what I have seen of European reviews, the Clubsport microfiber seats look comfy!
@@YasumotoUS wrong. The head units are the same throughout each model. They all have Apple Car Play, and you can use navigation from there. Clubsport is only sold in Europe. It is very expensive though, around the same price as a Golf R. Rabbit version I mentioned because Joe is reviewing a MK7.5 model, which the Rabbit edition is.
Jace’s Own World I have seen many other reviews for mk 7.5 where the S trim has a smaller 6.5in screen, maybe it’s for some reason the same for 2020 MY in particular but other years i gather its different
I bought a 2013 GTI Driver's Edition. Other than a water pump that went within the first 2 months, which was fixed under warranty, and they paid for the rental, no problems, 70,000 miles. All services up to 3years/30,000 miles were free. Leather, 200hp turbo, tiptronic transmission, sunroof. Driver's side window switch is a little hinky, but I'll replace it this fall, when it's cooler.
Joe: The 2020 GTI SE doesn't have the DCC feature which addresses suspension; the SE has driving modes which address power plant mapping and maybe exhaust. Maybe the SE trim version you were driving had the DCC adaptive suspension as an option? The GTI Autobahn trim level gets the DCC adaptive suspension, by default. Damn straight that 8" IPS panel infotainment unit is worth it. That thing is beautiful. Edit: OMG, you are the first GTI reviewer to comment on the flimsy feeling HVAC control knobs. That was a real surprise to me, as well. The Mark 8 will have all digital displays and not a damn control knob in sight. Maybe the steering wheel will be that car's saving grace. Otherwise, I'd say buy the Mk 7.5s and keep some of the analog controls under your fingers for as long as possible. I simply do not see how digital, screen based controls passed usability and safety tests. That's an interesting observation on the body roll in corners. I found the GTI SE to hug the corners incredibly well, but maybe I'm used to a car that sticks but which also has a bit more roll than the super stiff suspension and ultra low profile tires in some modern "sport" focused cars. Like that STI.... :) Congratulations on topping 1/4 million subscribers. That's truly amazing when you think about the early days of your channel.
@@L_G_Brandon Awesome. The rabbit has most of the nice things and I like the black rims, too. How do you like the head unit (radio) equipped on the Rabbit?
I bought one exactly like this yesterday. Got a great deal and traded in my Civic Si. Thanks for this video - it helped me make my decision. Just need to hit up Subway now for that cold cut combo and I’ll be all set.
@@davidannecchiarico3769 Yes, I had a 19 coupe. Both cars are great for different reasons, so it depends what you like. Trade values are just so good right now that I was able to get out of the Civic without losing much, and I really wanted a hatchback but wanted a change from the Civic. I gained headroom + interior/storage space, more classy looking and better quality interior and exterior (less plastic!), cool headlights, a real handbrake, dual exhaust instead of hdmi, horsepower. What I lost: Honda reliability, manual transmission (because I got the DSG), gas mileage (I’m down at least 5-7mpg vs the Civic), Honda resale value, rev hang?
I have a mk7.5 SE and replaced the stock all seasons with continental extreme contact sports. This is how it should have come from the factory. Steering response is exceptional and the tires make the suspension shine.
It has a manual lumbar support lever but hidden pretty well at the side of seat and placed awkwardly that one can only safely adjust when stopped. Agree with seating adjustments. They can destroy your lower back on long journeys lol. But other than that and a few rattles on my center console I’m still loving it!
The Golf GTI is the, “Bar” in the Hot hatch segment like the M3 was/is the performance sedan. All automakers use the Golf as their car to compare and aim for when designing and creating a new Hot hatch. That alone speaks to the magnitude of this vehicle. Joe would you want to see the VW T-Roq R enter the North American car market?
I know you don't get many hot hatches to choose from in the US but the Civic Type R sets the bar for fwd hot hatches, the Golf Gti is pretty lame in comparison.
Yeah I don't get it.....Half the look of any vehicle is a great looking set of rims and these manufacturers come out with the most bland dumb idiot looking rims from the factory you have ever seen......It's like what are you bozzo's thinking.
there is lumbar support but its manual located on the side of the seat mid way up, and also the armrest above your liter soda compartment locks in 3 different position and extends
panda1412 it depends on what you are looking for in US we only get the veloster and that’s basically a 2 door car no space. The Gti has a little bit of everything for a good price
JJ ~ ya know what I dig about your reports? you often give historical information about the model or the auto maker that we don't get to learn about from other car channels, just another bonus for the subs to your awesome on throttle YT channel. - tony
You don't have to leave those horses in the stable. A thirty minute Stage I tune and you have them for less than $800. (And no, it doesn't invalidate the VW warranty.) Of course, that doesn't mean it matches the Golf R with its AWD but it comes at a savings of about $9000 and a curb weight the equivalent of an NFL linebacker in the back seat. (248 lbs less.) On a tight course you don't lose much.
@@ChrisS-nj3ye I sleep like a baby knowing that I paid about $10,000 less for my GTi than the best offer I received for an equivalent Golf R. But I have a kid who'll be off to college in a couple of years, a mortgage, and a second vehicle in the garage. With those factors in mind the undeniable advantages of the R simply don't match the price premium for me.
I put a Neuspeed Power Module on my 2018 GTI SE 6sp and it made a significant difference. Highly recommended if you don't want to go for a tune. Simple plug and play for about 30 hp.
Hey Raiti! Regarding the lumbar support for seats....i have a 19 S trim with cloth seats and the lumbar support adjustments use a lever on upper side bolster
Doing big things Mr. Raiti! A while ago you reviewed the previous year model and I ended up buying a 2019 manual GTI. Your opinion helped sway me into test driving and buying one. I still miss my 2004 WRX but the GTI has that small car handling fun that I like to have when tossing my car around the corners. The new WRX's are just too big and the manual gears are not tuned that well.
@@bowlrice5986 Probably not the quietest but not that loud either, I barely hear them. Their traction is GREAT!! Check reviews on Tire Rack. The ride is comfortable.
I have a '17 MK7 GTI base trim, got it for $20K when the 7.5's started rolling in. Honestly, I love the car and wouldn't trade it for anything in the segment, but man, I could not see spending 30K+ for one, no way... If the time comes where I need a new car, and I can't get a new GTI for less than 30, I'm not buying one, simple as that. As much of a GTI fanboi as I am, I can't see dropping that kind of money on it. VW needs to adjust their prices...
My Mazdaspeed 3 was the greatest hot hatches of all time. I paid $22K in 2013 brand new. I'd buy it again in 2020 for $22K, if they have a brand new one.
I know this is blasphemy but, purely aesthetically, I’m kinda liking the back half of other hatches like the Elantra GT N-line more. EDIT: I know it’s MSRP but there’s no way I’d pay $34,000 for this. I just don’t see the value to justify that much more compared to other cars in this segment.
I looked at these last night at my local VW dealer in Oklahoma City and anyways the stick prices on these new with the plaid seats and such were you to $41k- the one I liked was $38. I bought a Tiguan instead lol for $34k- the GTI seats were so nicely bolstered and it felt great but too small for my travels. But aside from price it felt nice
I have the 2017 GTI Sport with the 18" Nogano Wheels which I like so much more than those Saw Blades or the pseudo Iron Cross patterned wheels on the GTI Base and SE that year. Same HP and Torque along with the various suspension tune selections. I find that Sport mode takes out the body roll issues you were noting around the 23 minute mark. It has the plaid cloth seating which is a personal preference over the leather AND lumbar adjustments. Nicholas Clevinger points out where the lumbar adjustments are located for the 2020 so that's the same too as well as the adjustable height on the center arm rest. One of my favorite little features on the hatch is the reverse camera's concealment under the VW badge and how that set up works... on of those little VW quirkiness things everyone likes. My wife has the 2017 Golf Wolfsberg with sunroof and we nor the dealer can't get it to stop squeaking/chirping so I'm doubly glad I went with the Sport. Only real bad part about this car is not the car but me...I don't like to behave while driving it. Too much fun to careen around in. So, I'll get the fog lights and light switch needed for them out of a wreck and continue to enjoy my GTI. Great cars regardless of year.
Finally mentioned twinkies 16 minutes in. I was afraid you had dropped this standard measurement because hostess threatened to sue . Thanks for the review! Serious contender for my 2005 Prius replacement
I own a 2018 SE, agree with you on their bizarre choices on “semi-powered” driver’s seat. The only power function for back angle really isn’t needed, typically the spring loaded manual version is sufficient and frankly faster. The part that should be power imo is forward and back, but you have to reach down between legs and pull the manual bar and do an Ab contraction move without hitting thighs on bottom of steering wheel. Sure it was to cut cost, just a strange choice, they should have just went all manual and saved a little more$. As for lack of lumbar, there is the manual all or nothing adjustment on side of seat, at least in the 2018. I think they sourced identical seats for 2020 carryover design so I’m guessing it was there and perhaps you missed it. As for the Midwest area I live related to high MSP sticker shock, it’s pretty common for the old model year to have $6k discount off sticker as the newer virtually identical newer model year hits the lots. That’s how I afforded my 2018 model in 2019, and I’m seeing similar $6k+ discounts on few remaining 2019’s as the virtually identical 2020’s have hit lots, and frankly the 2019’s aren’t flying off the shelves at those significant markdowns, so definitely still deals to be had.
Agreed, the seats on my '15 SE Sportwagen has the powered backrest also. Stupid, it takes forever if you want to put it all the way back. The power adjustment may give more adjustable positions but so slow. My '88 Saab 900 turbo was manual with a big knob you turn and was faster. I have a lumbar lever on my Sportwagen.
As a past mk5 gti owner and currently driving mk7 r you noticed that you’re feeling some roll in them darn corners all that you need is a really nice set of lower profile tires as in summer performance big difference
If you go for the Autobahn trim you get the fully-powered driver's seat and 4-way lumbar - fully-manual passenger's seat though aside from the backrest. I am really curious about the suspension differences between the Mk7 and Mk7.5 and surprised at the amount of body roll. I feel like my 2016 is pretty tied-down. Mine does not have DCC, though. Also you can ratchet the center armrest up - maybe that would help with the height issue.
Hey so I bought the brand new 2020 GTI S automatic black the dealer let it go out the door for $24K. The sticker price was $31,900. No joking I jumped on it . The car had 16 miles when I drove it off the lot 😅
I disagree on your opinion of the seats. Throughout the 1700 miles, I never once felt uncomfortable or squirmy. After hours of driving, I popped right out of the car with no stiffness or fatigue. I’ve owned 15 cars in my 63 years. This is definitely a keeper. By the way, I registered 34.9 mpg for the trip using premium gas (and I floored it every chance I could).
Found 2 more cents....Yeah, you gotta ditch the all season tires, switch to good performance summer tires and it will transform the car. Mine with the performance pack still came with all seasons. Took them off before the 2nd tank of fuel.
@@RaitisRides ha thanks for the reply. I just started watching your videos this year. Recently bought a preowned GLI actually, very nice ride and there's some places for my Twinkies and Skittles ;)
Hey Raiti, you passed Hillsboro Auto Mart on your drive and I recommend you check it out, they have a lot of unique cars that you might be interested in reviewing. Last time I was there they had a 1 of 1 Bilstein 335i! However, I'm not really sure how well the business operates over there as they wouldn't allow test drives (because the owner "said so") on some vehicles, so just a heads up.
The original US Rabbit GTi, and then the GTi 16V had VW at it's best with wheel options including the 16V's 2 piece BBS RM's. Sadly they haven't made good choices like that since, the stock VW rims fuel the aftermarket wheel suppliers.
I have a 2018 VW Alltrack. If the center armrest works the same, you can lift it up in small increments to 4 different positions. Also, you can slide it forward so it hits more of your forearm. Unfortunately, VW is discontinuing the Alltrack in the USA. We have an unhealthy love affair with SUVs, so wagons (or wagens, as VW calls them) just don't sell in high enough numbers.
@@PureLeeful loved the 182 trophy but never driven one, I had a 205 1.9 with a 1.6 gear box to make the ratios shorter, loved it, great car, but it was too fragile, I preferred the golf mk2 16v, it handled too and was so well made.
Since this car is small, it can be a good choice for all flat towed vehicle for Motorhome. But I read somewhere, it can't be towed without a dolly. If they do nice towed option it can be great choice for Motorhomers...
I wish VW made a 2 door coupe version with a trunk or a scirocco. I'm not feeling the 8th gen at all. For the money I would take the civic si more equipment better handling but a bit slower but at least 5k less with more equipment and much more reliable. Bit the VW looks so much better
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I have a modified, stage 2, 6 speed manual 2016 GTI. This is one of the most fun cars that I have ever owned. 4 years later, I still love driving it. Great job as usual Joe!
Nice 3 door! I also have a white 2016 Stage 2 GTI but with the DSG. I agree it’s incredibly fun while being practical!
Me too! I love her sm
Mine's a 2016 base Autobahn. No mods. I still LOVE this thing.
My wife bought this model, except in the dark blue and with the 6 speed MT. You nailed it. It’s just a great, fun daily driver that’ll make you smile every time you drive.
This is the only four door car I would feel ok driving. The golf GTI is legendary. Its a great all in one car. Its very practical and very fun to drive. I test drove one years ago and it reminded me of a go kart. Thanks for this review Joe!
Fun fact: I’m a trucker, and I deliver oil filters to that Napa Auto Parts warehouse you’re passing at 16:30. Funny seeing it in one of your videos. These GTIs are engineering marvels. Thanks for sharing it with us!
Blue civic si what’s it to ya? Why bother asking such a meaningless question?
I have an MK6 bought it brand new and has been very reliable except for the HPFP, intake and water pump! Didn’t pay anything because still had warranty and the intake was a recall!!! I have 75000 miles and still puts a smile whenever I drive it! Love it!!!! ❤️
That is so awesome Alberto! Thank you for sharing that great input from your ownership experience!
The center armrest has height adjustment, it's a ratchet mechanism that allows you to raise it to your liking.
I bought a 1986 GTI new, it had Recaro seats, Pirelli tires, I loved it. Nice interior and well built. Wicked blast.
That is so freaking awesome!
Had the same exact car in black. Replaced 8v engine with 16v. Was my all time favorite car.
@@jasonschwartz2347 Mine was white with black interior.
The Mk8 GTI interior looks sweet. But the Scotty Kilmer voice echoes.
I hear them! Lol
@@RaitisRides This is a bullshit video!!!!! I have the identical car but it's a 2016. He's a liar. I have all the same appointments that this 2020 GTI has to offer!!!!!! And my car is Stage 2 tuned @337HP
@@sporopeza Maybe not if you have S model, before 2018 you only have a electronic fake diff. However this video isnt completely factual. In 2018+ they made the 10hp performance package, golf r bigger brakes and a mechanical lsd standard in all models making the S a real good deal. Sports edition you get adaptive lighting, a sunroof and leather seats. Autobahn you get ACC, adaptive dampers and the 8'' screen. Just bought a 2020 S and just wish it had the fancier headlights but definitely not worth an extra 3500$ more.
Alex L I just got a 2020 GTI S with the DSG transmission. It’s an all-around great car and lots of fun to drive.
It does have a lumbar adjustment. It's on the side of the backrest. It's not a fancy one but it does allow you to adjust how it supports your lower back.
I've owned two GTI's. It's just a great fun car all around.
I enjoyed my MKV until it started having major electrical problems.
Ok mr money bags.
@@lucussrear3507 I don't know why you would say that. I'm not rich by any means, the cars were 11 years apart in ownership.
@Bryant Are they reliable? and are they expensive to maintain?
@@JoseCastro-bz4ig I never had any minor or major issues with either one of them. Maintenance prices are not that bad either.
I believe the GTI has been around since 1983. My first new car was a 1986 Toyota Corolla GTS. DOHC, 16 valve, with limited slip differential and premium stereo options from the factory. I still look back after all these years with nothing but admiration for these cars. You have to love an affordable hot hatch. I was 25 years old and on top of the world when I took delivery and drove it out of the dealership for the first time. I am an old man now and yet I still love these vehicles. Great review Joe and thanks for rekindling the memories of youth and automotive bliss I enjoyed way back when! ❤️
I've owned three GTI's over the years, a MK2 from the '80's and the last of the MK6 generation (2013 in the US) and my current MK7.5 Autobahn with a DSG transmission. Obviously, I like the car. No vehicle is perfect but there are a number of aspects of the GTI that I love.
() Size and versatility. The GTI is 168" long. It's a parochial benefit but it means I get a significant discount on Washington State ferries for a car that isn't over 14 ft in length. There are always complaints that the Golf size and shape has stayed more or less unchanged over the years, often from those who yearn for a vehicle that resembles a Hot Wheels toy. But the reason the Golf has changed so little from one generation to the next is that it is so perfect for its mission. Small on the outside designed for European city streets but with a voluminous interior. A Civic Type R, for example, is about a foot longer than the GTI (179.4") but has less overall cargo space than the GTI (46 cubic ft vs 54.) And unlike its "hot hatch" rivals the rectangular shape of the GTI means every single cubic inch of the cargo space is usable. Need to bring home a semi-annual trip to Costco? The GTI will do that job. Need headroom for a six footer in the back seat. Ditto.
() Engine and Performance. The EA888 turbo 4 engine is a wonder, deployed in a variety of VW and Audi products in various stages of tune. My 2018 GTI is rated at 218 HP/258 ft lbs of torque. The 2019 and 2020 models upped the HP rating by 10 with the same torque. Based on my experience I'd guarantee no one can tell the difference. VW engines are known for underestimating their engines' spec figures, likely because insurance rates in Europe are heavily influenced by stock HP. And if the stock specs aren't enough a Stage I APR ECU tune upped the the HP of my 2013 GTI by 60 and the torque by about 50 ft lbs. All without impacting the reliability of the vehicle. More on that below. Unlike the Veloster N or the Civic Type R the GTI isn't designed to be a track toy off the showroom floor. But my track days are spent on two wheels rather than four so that's not a weakness for me. And for spirited driving on public roads in the mountains, it's hard to beat especially by a FWD vehicle.
() Comfort. European vehicles tend to have firmer seats than Asian and American counterparts. Personally, I find the seats of my GTI among the most comfortable, especially over a long drive, of any car I've ever owned. And my wife, notoriously hard to please, agrees. But I have an Autobahn version with lumbar support so that may make a difference compared to Joe's experience. Likewise, my Autobahn trim includes dual zone climate controls and that's a huge plus since I like to put the A/C to a temp that would be suitable for hanging meat in the cabin and my wife differs strongly. Otherwise, the fantastic visibility and easily understood controls are large pluses.
() DSG Transmission. Until I replaced my Mazda RX-8 with my 2013 GTI I had never been without at least one MT vehicle in my garage. Thinking about commuting in Seattle (arggghh!) I decided to take a chance with VW dual clutch. When I replaced that vehicle in 2018, I didn't even consider the MT despite the fact that long commutes were no longer a priority. I spend about 60% of the time with the transmission in manual mode so I can select a gear that's held until an automatic upshift at red line or downshifts when I come to a stop. Otherwise, I let the transmission shift for me. It's quicker than I (or any human) am.A major benefit of the DSG for those who "tune" a GTI is that it handles the torque without a problem. Not so for the MT choice where an upgraded and/or periodic clutch replacement is highly recommended.
() Price. This is an issue that has both positive and negative aspects. GTI's in North America are far less expensive than in Europe. A top trim Autobahn GTI in Germany, for example, has an MSRP converted to the US MSRP would be over $50,000. Furthermore, VW dealers are frequently willing to sell GTI's at well under MSRP. I purchased my fully loaded GTI a year and a half ago for $32,000 plus TTL, a price about $6000 less than the Autobahn MSRP. On the other hand, as GTI owners are well aware, the vehicles sent to the US typically lack some features available on the GTI in Europe (e.g. the digital cockpit available since 2019 in Europe and missing altogether in the MK7 generation in the US.) Additionally, European customers can pick and choose individual options they prefer while US consumers are typically presented with a largely "take it or leave it" set of features at each trim level, a practice that enables VW to contain production costs and VW dealers to avoid having vehicles sit unsold on their lots because they lack a popular option or have an individual option that most buyers don't want to pay for. Overall, GTI's command a moderate price premium over most rivals, not unusual for any European vehicle. Part of that premium is the result of the iconic reputation of the GTI and some results from its uniquely versatile character. But the bottom line is (at least here in the Pacific Northwest) the real world price of well equipped GTI's (SE to Autobahn) range from the high $20K's to the low to mid $30K's.
I also had a 2013 GTI, I upgraded this year to a 2020 SE. What did you use to tune your car and did it void the warranty? I am still considering tuning options. Great review by the way!
@@croat5786 Thanks for the comment. I only have experience with APR as a tuning vendor. One of the premiere sources for APR is located near me in the Seattle area and I knew several others who had opted for APR so I went that way with their Stage I ECU tune. I've heard good things about alternate vendors but I can only vouch for APR.
Here's the deal about the VW warranty. As far as I know every case brought to courts have found that the warranty can be voided ONLY if an issue can be shown to have resulted directly from the tuning modification. I belong to a local group of GTI/Golf R owners and have never heard of a Stage I tune to have resulted in such a problem. But while I don't know of any cases where more extensive mods (e.g Stage II, III, IV, etc) have run into the problem, it only stands to reason that modifying the GTI to deliver up to 500 hp might well stress components to the breaking point. (Personally, I don't see much point in more extensive mods in a GTI for normal use but YMMV.) In any event, the courts have found that VW cannot voi a warranty claim for, say, a fuel pump, infotainment system, or electrical system failure just because the ECU has been modified.
Of course, relying on successfully suing a dealer (or VW) to deal with a refusal to honor a warranty isn't an approach anyone wants to rely upon. So here are some points to keep in mind.
() Any modification that adds HP and torque puts additional stress on components. The most obvious impacts of a Stage I ECU tune are on tire and clutch wear. As far as tires are concerned, just be aware that mashing the throttle at every green light is going to reduce tire life. But tires aren't covered by the VW warranty, anyway. As for clutch wear, that depends on whether you have an MT or DSG transmission. Before I had the Stage I mod performed the APR tech asked if I had a manual transmission. When I said my GTI had the DSG, he noted that I wouldn't have to worry about upgrading or periodically replacing the clutch since the DSG easily handled the power increase while the MT sometimes experienced additional clutch wear. So keep that in mind. But again, excessive clutch wear isn't a warranty issue anyway. Clutch plates, like tires and wiper blades are considered "consumables." (For what it's worth, I put about 40K miles on my tuned MK6 GTI and never encountered an issue.)
() When you purchase a GTI (or another VW candidate for tuning) it's worth asking the dealer if they're "tuner friendly." Some dealers even offer APR tuning services, themselves. Those dealers will honor a VW warranty if an issue arises. My dealer doesn't offer tuning services but they explicitly recommend APR tuning services from a local independent shop and as far as I know never turn down a warranty claim solely on the basis of tuning modifications.
( ) Finally, if you're still concerned about voiding the VW warranty it's worth noting that APR offers a warranty on their tuning services and products that provides coverage identical to the VW power train warranty at a modest additional price. Warranty work can be performed at any shop, even VW dealers, without involving the VW warranty. On a GTI the entire price of a Stage I tune including the warranty coverage is $1100, I believe. That's about $300 more than a standard Stage I tune.
By the way, I'm not associated with APR in any way other than being a satisfied customer. Other tuning brands may well be just as satisfactory, may offer features that APR products do not, and may offer independent warranty coverage, as well. It's also worth noting that everything said above applies to other VW models with the EA888 engine including the Tiguan, Atlas, and GLI.
@@stephenhendricks103 Thanks for the information. I am defiantly looking in APR right now. I am going to check about the dealer near me is tuner friendly. Super excited to see the difference the tune will make!
It’s beautiful but the price man. A dream for
Me to own one but sadly the new redesign ruined the German factor
A young man up the street has a white one. He traded his Mustang GT in for it. I liked his Mustang better. I think he needed better gas mileage. Nice job Joe! 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸
I live in NYC and there is a mustang parked on every block. It's about as widespread here as black rideshare camries with TLC plates. Of course dodge charger trails pretty close as well in this category.
Listening to this bro stroke my cars ego is oddly satisfying.
That is what I where for you!LOL You have a great car!
One of the FEW (sporty) cars I'd pick with the DSG (DCT/Auto) - the main reason is it's _that good_ and you're looking for a level of practicality in a car like this. If it's a sport car and if there's a manual option I'd pick it every time...
My family just picked up a white 2020 GTI S DSG today, so this video was perfect timing!
Worst decision you ever made this car is so ugly. You could pick a Hyundai with better features and space.
Bruh we test drove a Hyundai Elantra GT N Line and we liked it, but the build quality wasn’t amazing and we liked the look of the Golf better. The interior of the Golf was much better built and used nicer materials than the Elantra GT. I love the GTI and we’ve driven it about 1,500 miles already and love everything about it.🤷♂️
I have an '18 GTI SE in white silver. My favorite car ever. 2+ years ownership and still smile every time I get behind the wheel..........
You got my favorite color. Great job!
@@RaitisRides th-cam.com/video/poMtKlbRtCY/w-d-xo.html
Just got a 2020 gti in white silver and I’m in love
I purchased my gti s one month ago. I love it!
Are you on the pirellis? How's the comfort over bumps? If i get the gti, I think I'd want to try michelin premiers since the S won't have the adaptive dampers.
I really want one!!!
@Peaceful Music: I got Pirellis to replace stock Bridgestone Potenza tires. Very comfortable ride with the Pirellis. The Potenza tires were pretty bad, and totally useless in the occasional snow we get. So glad to have the Pirellis
Yeah I have this exact same trim from 2019. After looking at the mk 8, I regret nothing haha.
About the lumbar support, yes I do wish the lever would give me a bit more support but it is what it is.
Thanks for sharing that great input from your ownership.
Hey Joe, great review, but you got a few things wrong in it:
1. The price of the GTI for 2019 (MK7.5 version) went way up compared to the MK7 gen (2015-2018). The SE spec in 2017 was $26k brand new. Now it’s $32k.
2. It does not matter the spec. The infotainment is all standard across all spec’s of GTI’s.
3. There is also a Rabbit version, as well as a ClubSport version.
4. There ARE lower lumbar adjustments. It’s on the side of the seat, along the middle of the side. Not on the bottom of the side.
5. There are other compartments you missed. 🙂
6. The center arm rest actuall moves up and down, as well as forward and back, and will maintain desired positions. 🙂
7. VW doesn’t put in full electric seats, to save weight. 🙂
8. The empty button areas are used for the higher trim levels, just like all other cars do.
Just wanted to clarify 🙂. Great review regardless.
Thanks for all that great info!😎👍🏻
Odd, from what I've seen all three GTI trims have unique head units (in the USA; this differs in other countries). The S has as 6.5" color display. The SE has that wonderful 8" IPS panel unit. And the Autobahn has a 8" IPS panel unit with build-in navigation functionality and whatever the "Fender" specification adds.
The USA dropped the Rabbit version for the 2020 MY and there has never been (recently?) a Clubsport, although, from what I have seen of European reviews, the Clubsport microfiber seats look comfy!
@@YasumotoUS wrong. The head units are the same throughout each model. They all have Apple Car Play, and you can use navigation from there. Clubsport is only sold in Europe. It is very expensive though, around the same price as a Golf R. Rabbit version I mentioned because Joe is reviewing a MK7.5 model, which the Rabbit edition is.
@@JacesOwnWorld Ah, I see. Please check vw's web site or any one of the dealers lots, in the USA. Cheers!
Jace’s Own World I have seen many other reviews for mk 7.5 where the S trim has a smaller 6.5in screen, maybe it’s for some reason the same for 2020 MY in particular but other years i gather its different
My dream hatchback car! Nice video Joe.
That is so awesome Jeremiah!
I bought a 2013 GTI Driver's Edition. Other than a water pump that went within the first 2 months, which was fixed under warranty, and they paid for the rental, no problems, 70,000 miles. All services up to 3years/30,000 miles were free. Leather, 200hp turbo, tiptronic transmission, sunroof. Driver's side window switch is a little hinky, but I'll replace it this fall, when it's cooler.
I think they missed the mark on the mk8 exterior. Mk 7.5 is definitely my favorite
The mk8 interior it looks like a corolla interior
Joe: The 2020 GTI SE doesn't have the DCC feature which addresses suspension; the SE has driving modes which address power plant mapping and maybe exhaust. Maybe the SE trim version you were driving had the DCC adaptive suspension as an option? The GTI Autobahn trim level gets the DCC adaptive suspension, by default.
Damn straight that 8" IPS panel infotainment unit is worth it. That thing is beautiful.
Edit: OMG, you are the first GTI reviewer to comment on the flimsy feeling HVAC control knobs. That was a real surprise to me, as well.
The Mark 8 will have all digital displays and not a damn control knob in sight. Maybe the steering wheel will be that car's saving grace. Otherwise, I'd say buy the Mk 7.5s and keep some of the analog controls under your fingers for as long as possible. I simply do not see how digital, screen based controls passed usability and safety tests.
That's an interesting observation on the body roll in corners. I found the GTI SE to hug the corners incredibly well, but maybe I'm used to a car that sticks but which also has a bit more roll than the super stiff suspension and ultra low profile tires in some modern "sport" focused cars. Like that STI.... :)
Congratulations on topping 1/4 million subscribers. That's truly amazing when you think about the early days of your channel.
Yeah the DCC is an option for the SE I think the best configuration is the SE with plaid seats and DCC
@@L_G_Brandon Those leather seats are *hot* and do not breath, so I have to agree on the cloth.
YasumotoUS Yeah I have a 2019 Rabbit Edition with the paid seats and I live how the interior looks
@@L_G_Brandon Awesome. The rabbit has most of the nice things and I like the black rims, too. How do you like the head unit (radio) equipped on the Rabbit?
YasumotoUS for me is perfect
My 2016 with Manual looks exactly like this. VW hasnt changed much in the last few years
You are so very right! Changes coming for 2021.
I bought one exactly like this yesterday. Got a great deal and traded in my Civic Si. Thanks for this video - it helped me make my decision. Just need to hit up Subway now for that cold cut combo and I’ll be all set.
Did you have a 10th gen civic si? I own a 2020 but I’ve always loved the look of the GTI. Curious what you thought of making the switch!
@@davidannecchiarico3769 Yes, I had a 19 coupe. Both cars are great for different reasons, so it depends what you like. Trade values are just so good right now that I was able to get out of the Civic without losing much, and I really wanted a hatchback but wanted a change from the Civic. I gained headroom + interior/storage space, more classy looking and better quality interior and exterior (less plastic!), cool headlights, a real handbrake, dual exhaust instead of hdmi, horsepower. What I lost: Honda reliability, manual transmission (because I got the DSG), gas mileage (I’m down at least 5-7mpg vs the Civic), Honda resale value, rev hang?
I have a mk7.5 SE and replaced the stock all seasons with continental extreme contact sports. This is how it should have come from the factory. Steering response is exceptional and the tires make the suspension shine.
It has a manual lumbar support lever but hidden pretty well at the side of seat and placed awkwardly that one can only safely adjust when stopped. Agree with seating adjustments. They can destroy your lower back on long journeys lol. But other than that and a few rattles on my center console I’m still loving it!
The Golf GTI is the, “Bar” in the Hot hatch segment like the M3 was/is the performance sedan. All automakers use the Golf as their car to compare and aim for when designing and creating a new Hot hatch. That alone speaks to the magnitude of this vehicle. Joe would you want to see the VW T-Roq R enter the North American car market?
I know you don't get many hot hatches to choose from in the US but the Civic Type R sets the bar for fwd hot hatches, the Golf Gti is pretty lame in comparison.
Now they are using the Civic type R for performance and the Mazda 3 for interior and refinement and style
I'd love to have one with a manual. I don't like the saw blade style rims, but everything else is good.
Thanks for letting me share this one with you!
Agreed the black rabbit rims look so much better .
The manual felt faster and more fun to me so I got it over the DSG (though that can do launch control, which is cool).
Yeah I don't get it.....Half the look of any vehicle is a great looking set of rims and these manufacturers come out with the most bland dumb idiot looking rims from the factory you have ever seen......It's like what are you bozzo's thinking.
there is lumbar support but its manual located on the side of the seat mid way up, and also the armrest above your liter soda compartment locks in 3 different position and extends
I want one so bad. My Mazda 6 2006 feels too big for me. GTI is perfect for me and its always just me in my car so it's even better.
You will get one my friend!
I had a 2015 GTI S and now a 2019 GTI RABBIT EDITION and I love that car can’t drive nothing else
I30n drives better
panda1412 it depends on what you are looking for in US we only get the veloster and that’s basically a 2 door car no space. The Gti has a little bit of everything for a good price
JJ ~ ya know what I dig about your reports? you often give historical information about the model or the auto maker that we don't get to learn about from other car channels, just another bonus for the subs to your awesome on throttle YT channel. - tony
I love the red accents on the GTI. I have the 2019 R and it's pretty sweet. I knew I'd be pissed if I got the GTI and left 75 horses in the stable!
But you paid 10k extra for an R.
@@kdrguru Yep and it was worth it IMO. Spending 30k is still a lot of money to get something you're not totally happy with.
You don't have to leave those horses in the stable. A thirty minute Stage I tune and you have them for less than $800. (And no, it doesn't invalidate the VW warranty.) Of course, that doesn't mean it matches the Golf R with its AWD but it comes at a savings of about $9000 and a curb weight the equivalent of an NFL linebacker in the back seat. (248 lbs less.) On a tight course you don't lose much.
Same, wouldn't have been able to sleep at night knowing I didn't get the R
@@ChrisS-nj3ye I sleep like a baby knowing that I paid about $10,000 less for my GTi than the best offer I received for an equivalent Golf R. But I have a kid who'll be off to college in a couple of years, a mortgage, and a second vehicle in the garage. With those factors in mind the undeniable advantages of the R simply don't match the price premium for me.
There is lower lumbar support. It's a little lever you have to twist on the bottom side of the seat.
Finally a car with an abacus holder
I know right!
The 2018 GTI has the R brakes. I know because I own one. And the brakes are fantastic.
Son in Law, had one, an, "R", version, along with a pair of Turbo Beetle's, w/manual transmissions! 🏁🏁
Cool son in law!😉👍🏻
@@RaitisRides One of the Turbo Beetles, belonged to my oldest daughter!
She's a bit like, "Lori"! 😱
I put a Neuspeed Power Module on my 2018 GTI SE 6sp and it made a significant difference. Highly recommended if you don't want to go for a tune. Simple plug and play for about 30 hp.
1:43 that front quarter angle is amazing
@16:18 you definitely found some twisties 😂
Hey Raiti! Regarding the lumbar support for seats....i have a 19 S trim with cloth seats and the lumbar support adjustments use a lever on upper side bolster
I’m not a big fan of all black vehicles anymore but I’m glad I purchased my 2020 GTI S in black just looks good with those minimal red accents.
Joe, I bought an 2020 Autobahn because of this review. I'm holding you personally responsible for the fun I'm having with this car...
Doing big things Mr. Raiti! A while ago you reviewed the previous year model and I ended up buying a 2019 manual GTI. Your opinion helped sway me into test driving and buying one. I still miss my 2004 WRX but the GTI has that small car handling fun that I like to have when tossing my car around the corners. The new WRX's are just too big and the manual gears are not tuned that well.
I love my 2017 GTI SE. I got the PILOT SPORT A/S 3+ and it made a big difference, highly recommended tires!
Are these tires quiet and do they ride more comfortable? Thanks
@@bowlrice5986 Probably not the quietest but not that loud either, I barely hear them. Their traction is GREAT!! Check reviews on Tire Rack. The ride is comfortable.
I have a '17 MK7 GTI base trim, got it for $20K when the 7.5's started rolling in. Honestly, I love the car and wouldn't trade it for anything in the segment, but man, I could not see spending 30K+ for one, no way... If the time comes where I need a new car, and I can't get a new GTI for less than 30, I'm not buying one, simple as that. As much of a GTI fanboi as I am, I can't see dropping that kind of money on it. VW needs to adjust their prices...
Meanwhile the uk are spending above £30k and that’s mire money than us money. Madness lol.
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Fantastic hot hatch with loads of utility 👍
Great review Man 👌
Thanks for letting me share it with you and your are so very right!
Keep it coming. You are unstoppable!... Great car reviews from you by the hour!
My Mazdaspeed 3 was the greatest hot hatches of all time. I paid $22K in 2013 brand new. I'd buy it again in 2020 for $22K, if they have a brand new one.
The new Mazda 3 hatch has a lot of quality control issues. Stay away from it.
@@bigmacdaddy1234mine is a totally different car different generation, only shares the name.
I know this is blasphemy but, purely aesthetically, I’m kinda liking the back half of other hatches like the Elantra GT N-line more.
EDIT: I know it’s MSRP but there’s no way I’d pay $34,000 for this. I just don’t see the value to justify that much more compared to other cars in this segment.
Agree,, interior and exterior are way too boring,I like it but i’m not gonna pay 34,000 for that.
@@NicoNicoAFK That's certainly true for those who think automobiles should resemble Hot Wheel models.
I like the understated look, but I definitely agree on the price.
Before Joe mentioned the price I was thinking around 27 maybe 28 grand tops for this.
I looked at these last night at my local VW dealer in Oklahoma City and anyways the stick prices on these new with the plaid seats and such were you to $41k- the one I liked was $38. I bought a Tiguan instead lol for $34k- the GTI seats were so nicely bolstered and it felt great but too small for my travels. But aside from price it felt nice
Can't believe the timing, just looked at a GTI s today and took it for a test drive.
That’s funny I did too! I bought a VW Tiguan tho
Just got mine in white! So slick. Had a Nissan Rogue prior; the detail and tech on this bad boy is excellent. I like me this German perspective.
I love my mk7 GTI! The best daily driver!
Lower lumbar bolstering is possible by pushing the lever on the left side of the drivers seat. It is about half way up the side of the seat.
What would be cool is if you did the review on a car with the DCC option. That’s really changes the way everything behaves!
I have the 2017 GTI Sport with the 18" Nogano Wheels which I like so much more than those Saw Blades or the pseudo Iron Cross patterned wheels on the GTI Base and SE that year. Same HP and Torque along with the various suspension tune selections. I find that Sport mode takes out the body roll issues you were noting around the 23 minute mark. It has the plaid cloth seating which is a personal preference over the leather AND lumbar adjustments. Nicholas Clevinger points out where the lumbar adjustments are located for the 2020 so that's the same too as well as the adjustable height on the center arm rest. One of my favorite little features on the hatch is the reverse camera's concealment under the VW badge and how that set up works... on of those little VW quirkiness things everyone likes. My wife has the 2017 Golf Wolfsberg with sunroof and we nor the dealer can't get it to stop squeaking/chirping so I'm doubly glad I went with the Sport. Only real bad part about this car is not the car but me...I don't like to behave while driving it. Too much fun to careen around in. So, I'll get the fog lights and light switch needed for them out of a wreck and continue to enjoy my GTI. Great cars regardless of year.
Thanks for sharing your input and perspective from your experience!
I have a 2018 golf R love everything about it picked it up preowned for 27 had an apr stg1 tune when I got it
Finally mentioned twinkies 16 minutes in. I was afraid you had dropped this standard measurement because hostess threatened to sue . Thanks for the review! Serious contender for my 2005 Prius replacement
I own a 2018 SE, agree with you on their bizarre choices on “semi-powered” driver’s seat. The only power function for back angle really isn’t needed, typically the spring loaded manual version is sufficient and frankly faster. The part that should be power imo is forward and back, but you have to reach down between legs and pull the manual bar and do an Ab contraction move without hitting thighs on bottom of steering wheel. Sure it was to cut cost, just a strange choice, they should have just went all manual and saved a little more$. As for lack of lumbar, there is the manual all or nothing adjustment on side of seat, at least in the 2018. I think they sourced identical seats for 2020 carryover design so I’m guessing it was there and perhaps you missed it.
As for the Midwest area I live related to high MSP sticker shock, it’s pretty common for the old model year to have $6k discount off sticker as the newer virtually identical newer model year hits the lots. That’s how I afforded my 2018 model in 2019, and I’m seeing similar $6k+ discounts on few remaining 2019’s as the virtually identical 2020’s have hit lots, and frankly the 2019’s aren’t flying off the shelves at those significant markdowns, so definitely still deals to be had.
Thanks for sharing that great input and perspective from your ownership!
Agreed, the seats on my '15 SE Sportwagen has the powered backrest also. Stupid, it takes forever if you want to put it all the way back. The power adjustment may give more adjustable positions but so slow. My '88 Saab 900 turbo was manual with a big knob you turn and was faster.
I have a lumbar lever on my Sportwagen.
As a past mk5 gti owner and currently driving mk7 r you noticed that you’re feeling some roll in them darn corners all that you need is a really nice set of lower profile tires as in summer performance big difference
2020 why the hand break is not electric? I have gti 2017 with electric hand break
I test drove the mk7 GTI awesome car, but now I'm thinking about holding out for the mk8.
If you go for the Autobahn trim you get the fully-powered driver's seat and 4-way lumbar - fully-manual passenger's seat though aside from the backrest. I am really curious about the suspension differences between the Mk7 and Mk7.5 and surprised at the amount of body roll. I feel like my 2016 is pretty tied-down. Mine does not have DCC, though.
Also you can ratchet the center armrest up - maybe that would help with the height issue.
I have a 2016 golf R and love these cars
Thanks Matt!
Love your reviews Joe . One day it would be great to see you over here in the UK doing a review
Great job Joe. Keep the reviews coming
Hey so I bought the brand new 2020 GTI S automatic black the dealer let it go out the door for $24K. The sticker price was $31,900. No joking I jumped on it . The car had 16 miles when I drove it off the lot 😅
That is awesome Eric! Congrats!
Put a deposit on one today SE trim. Pick it up end of the week.
Great car. All time classic!
You can say that again!
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@@AbdullahHood 😎👍
Raiti's Rides great car. All time classic!
They probably cheaped out on power seats to make the Autobahn trim more attractive. The interior is already a better place than some older Audis.
I disagree on your opinion of the seats. Throughout the 1700 miles, I never once felt uncomfortable or squirmy. After hours of driving, I popped right out of the car with no stiffness or fatigue. I’ve owned 15 cars in my 63 years. This is definitely a keeper. By the way, I registered 34.9 mpg for the trip using premium gas (and I floored it every chance I could).
I see a sipver arteon in the back. Please do a review of the arteon
Found 2 more cents....Yeah, you gotta ditch the all season tires, switch to good performance summer tires and it will transform the car. Mine with the performance pack still came with all seasons. Took them off before the 2nd tank of fuel.
love the review we need more hot hatches
Fun car. I had a 2011 for 3 years, was a blast to drive.
I saw one in Green recently. Beautiful car.
I love that color Jeremy!
@@RaitisRides ha thanks for the reply. I just started watching your videos this year. Recently bought a preowned GLI actually, very nice ride and there's some places for my Twinkies and Skittles ;)
Hopefully grabbing a 2021 se soon , love the black wheels on the 2021 se! Aimed for a golf R but they are just too expensive.
That is so awesome! I can understand where you are coming from!
I like how it's not as extravagantly styles like some other "hot hatches"
I still love my 2018 Autobahn. It's a fun car to drive. You needed a manual to drive! What no Twinkies? 😂
Hey Raiti, you passed Hillsboro Auto Mart on your drive and I recommend you check it out, they have a lot of unique cars that you might be interested in reviewing. Last time I was there they had a 1 of 1 Bilstein 335i! However, I'm not really sure how well the business operates over there as they wouldn't allow test drives (because the owner "said so") on some vehicles, so just a heads up.
The MK8 looks absolutely awful. I'd consider a GTI for sure when my current car is through but not if it's gonna continue to look like the MK8.
The original US Rabbit GTi, and then the GTi 16V had VW at it's best with wheel options including the 16V's 2 piece BBS RM's. Sadly they haven't made good choices like that since, the stock VW rims fuel the aftermarket wheel suppliers.
Looks light years better than the Civic Hatchback
My 2019 R interior looks WAY better than this. Not sure what's going on there
Yes it is. I bought one last September
Congrats!
I have a 2018 VW Alltrack. If the center armrest works the same, you can lift it up in small increments to 4 different positions. Also, you can slide it forward so it hits more of your forearm. Unfortunately, VW is discontinuing the Alltrack in the USA. We have an unhealthy love affair with SUVs, so wagons (or wagens, as VW calls them) just don't sell in high enough numbers.
That gti is dope !
As always a spot on review !
Greatest hothatch ever for me is the mk1 mini jc works gp1, I was shaking after driving one hard, such a weapon, probably don't have it in the USA.
Wrong! Clio 182 Trophy or Peugeot 205gti. 😉
@@PureLeeful loved the 182 trophy but never driven one, I had a 205 1.9 with a 1.6 gear box to make the ratios shorter, loved it, great car, but it was too fragile, I preferred the golf mk2 16v, it handled too and was so well made.
@@bign3ck It's hard to compare modern to old hatchbacks to be fair. I'm not a massive vw fan but really like the Mk1,2 and 5 Golf gti's. 👍👍
I’d love to have the Polo here!
Polos are amazing. I drool over them when I'm abroad.
It’s a shame you guys didn’t get the last of the rear wheel drives BMW Shadow Edition 125i 20L turbo
msport 200kw 310Nm
fantastic performer!
Since this car is small, it can be a good choice for all flat towed vehicle for Motorhome. But I read somewhere, it can't be towed without a dolly. If they do nice towed option it can be great choice for Motorhomers...
They must of had a great sale because they only have 2 on the lot and he is in one of them.
Center arm rest should ratchet incline up & slide forward for better comfort if its like my '15.
The car you reviewed does not have DCC (only the experience package gives you that)
16:38 there actually is lower lumbar support (side of the seat)
Thanks for the info.
I wanted a golf gti but had to get a passat instead & im loving it
New?
Swap those tires with some All-Season Raitials and you get the best of both worlds!
I have a 2016 GTI that drives great, unfortunately I recently had a major repair with the fuel system which was not covered under warranty.
I wish VW made a 2 door coupe version with a trunk or a scirocco.
I'm not feeling the 8th gen at all.
For the money I would take the civic si more equipment better handling but a bit slower but at least 5k less with more equipment and much more reliable.
Bit the VW looks so much better