The Differences Between the ATC 185 & ATC 200's (1980 - 1983)
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- A couple weeks ago I got a text message that led to me filling another void in my collection. A local friend, who also collects, texted me a lead for a 1981 ATC 200. Not the sexiest machine that Honda ever made... but one that I needed. Through a little help from my cousin who lived near the seller, the machine was bought and paid for in under 5 hours from that initial text.
After I got the machine home, I realized it was a good opportunity to do a side by side comparison of the other ATC 200's years, and also the odd duck 1980 ATC 185, a 1 year only machine that was made in Orange, not red. It's interesting to see how Honda subtly changed these machines each year. I'm sure there is plenty of things I've missed as I am not nearly as intimate with these models as I am with the 350X or 250R. Feel free to comment and share any knowledge you may have on these machines!!
This video takes me back to 80's,,,, in my neighborhood it was common to see these 3 wheelers running up and down the street usually with cop following. My best friend had 81 Honda atc and my father came home with a 82 Yamaha Tri Moto,,, man did we have a good time with these machines.
I like the statement you made on the trip out to get the 200...“You never know when you’ll need a trike favor” 👍🏻💯
And it's super true!! It's nice knowing I've got friends sprinkled across the country now that know they can call on me and I can call on them to do me a solid... You're in that category!
Love that you got your 81 ATC200. And love that your cousin was able to meet the seller and close it for ya.
Thanks brother! She was super happy to help! Family affair!
@@ThisOldTrike on a 1982 200 is there a seat pan that will work from another model? Besides the 185 ? Any info..thank you
Thanks for making this video. I just got a 1983 atc 200 and I’m rebuilding a very seized up rear axle.
Well I'm glad you liked it! Hope it was helpful!
I just love seeing all the differences that close together
I love the way that 1980 185. I think one of those will be my next one if I decide to get another 3 wheeler. I love the older round headlight and old school look of that one
Just picked up a 83, 185 s with front and back rack , and it’s minty. One of my favourite atcs. Thanks
They're great machines!
Dig the channel ! I just picked up my 2nd revival Honda -this time instead of a 250r I had a 84’ 200s fall in my lap for a deal. Love it !
I could not be more jealous. Awesome collection
Hands down the passion that goes into your collection is inspiring. I just started collecting this year and it's the hardest thing to do with the covid gouge that's going on. I tip my hat and drool over the trike porn.
I really appreciate that man! I'm very thankful that I started collecting when I did. I pulled this together as fast as my wallet would allow, but even I wish I started sooner!
@@ThisOldTrike lol I've been buying anything and everything that pops up in my area sub $500 the wallet hates me. But the Wife and back yard hate me more 🤣.
Gotta 81 ATC200 that we are retro fitting. Looking online I don’t see anything for the 81’ 😩 just need front and rear fender plastics. Do you know if 82-83 plastics will fit, or be close?
@@mitchellcooley4117 Yes sir, they are interchangeable. Well, fron on an 83 isn't, but 82 is the same.
Just picked up and old 83 185s and loving it! Love the huge footpegs for my big feet. Makes a huge difference!
I would be interested in a video about the 185 S and the 200 S. I have a 1983 185s and a 1984 200s. Thanks.
Hell ya bud! Digging the wealth of knowledge you have on the classic atc’s. Been collecting 3 wheelers for 2 1/2 years and still finding new information all the time! Keep up on the videos! Got to grow this three wheeler community!
That's what I'm here for!! More to come!!
Great content. So I’m an Arizona guy who has a 1985-70, 1969-90 US General (have the rear fender but no seat pan or hard wear) dang it. Hard to locate. Anyhow I also have a 1984-110, 1984-85 & 86 125m, 1983-185S, 1985-200S, 1984 200M, 1984 & 85 200X, 1985 250SX, 1986 250R, and a 1985 350X. Having said that I am on the hunt for the right Big Red. I love that you have a passion like me on Honda ATC’s. Ok u are winning.😜 but I would have more if I had the room to keep them. My plan one day is to have a huge 40x60 shop to really get serious about them. My current 3 car garage, I just got done dumping a lot of money into to make it a Honda ATC showroom/garage. Looks pretty cool. Anyhow keep up the good work. You Rock
Hey man! You're doing great! Reach out to Mike Palmgren about that seat you need! He's on Facebook, Instagram, or his website is www.vintagemotorsports.net I believe.
@@ThisOldTrike l appreciate that. I will give it a shot. Thx for the info and keep doing what your doing. 👍
Have 185s, it’s ok to store them standing upright, no issues with fluids?
I've never had an issue
Just picked up a 83 200. It’s clean for the most part. Mine looks just like yours, but mine looks like it use to have a kick start. The pull starter is currently off since it’s busted, and I noticed spines for a kick start. Was a kick start an option?
None had kick start from the factor... and if it has a pull start, it wouldn't have a kick start too... it was one or the other. Very interesting thing you're describing.
Love these . Great job buddy.
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I have a 1980 185 but it has the auto decompression cable. Guessing that someone did an engine swap at some point? Is there a way to tell what year my engine is?
Love these videos! Now im shopping for a 200s! And maybe a 185. And maybe a 90 someday too. Haha these trikes really are addicting
The 185s are wheelie machines. So much fun . Just bought one myself
Where do you source your parts…?
I got a pretty well used one…and need drum brakes and hand grips and cables….tank is pourous.
I recently got a 1982 ATC200 with the splines on the left side of the rear axle completely stripped away as well as the splines in the hub. I ordered one that was advertised as an acle out of an 82 ATC200 but Im thinking it was really out of an 82 ATC185s. Do you think this axle would work in my 200?
No, an 82 185s axle will not fit the 200. But I just ran the numbers and an 82 200E Big Red axle is compatible if that helps you open up your search.
@@ThisOldTrike Ended up finding an entire rear end off of a 1981 200, the axle went in without any issues other than the threads on the right side came up a little too short for the double nut near the brake. The reply is much appreciated, thanks!
I just bought a 1980 185 and its missing the wheel hubs and rear wheels. Does it have a special spline or will any honda 185 hub work?
Same hub as all the ATC 200, 200M, 200E, 200ES and TRX200... wheels for all of those would work too, some are probably 2 piece vs. solid though
I have a 1983 200 E big red. The only thing I do not have is a seat for it. I was wondering if you had a spare seat for that year or any year that would fit it that I can buy off of you.
So that machine will take a seat from a 1982-1984 Big Red OR a 1984/85 200M. The 82 & 83 have metal pans with a seam on the seat. The 84/85's have plastic pans with seamless seats... I think I may have a spare seat actually. I bought it from a buddy and he is supposed to drop it off next time he is out my way, but I don't have it yet... Do you have facebook or Instagram so we can message each other privately?
You should do a video on what parts are interchangable on different years. Hard to find a great condition 80's 185/200/250 ATC, but there countless "parts bikes".
Would like to see the differences between the 85-87 250es big reds and the 88 if you have managed to import one.
You read my mind! 88 is on its way over from England as we speak. Give me a month or so!
Or even do a Entire big red lineup video
@@WestMichiganMotorsports Yes sir! 82 to 88!
@@ThisOldTrike stop stealing our uk trikes !! was the 88 the one on ebay ? thought that was suspect as the trike was pretty rough yet the date decal on the front was almost mint.... just my 2 cents .... love the channel 👍
@@hookybit That was me! Had to have it. The VIN checks out, it's the real deal. Should be on the boat heading west next week! Then you can watch it get restored on my channel!
I believe that you're wrong on the compression release on the 1981. I think it's supposed to be a manual release. The 1918 ATC200 I picked up for parts a few years back had a manual compression release. Also the picture that you showed from the brochure for the 1981 showed a manual compression release. That may be a different rocker cover or even a totally different engine.
You're right!
doubtful but hoping someone will answer. i have a 1982 ATC185s and want to put a new jug and piston on it. all im finding are 185XL cylinders? are they all XL or is it a different model?
I guess I have a 1982 atc 200, same crack spot lol, also small crack on front, you have spares I can buy lol?!
I have a 100% original 81 ATC200 with a perfect seat, the seat is not like the one on your trike in this video, it's like the 80 ATC185 so not sure if your assumption about the seat is correct. Nice machines!
You are correct sir. Just responded to you on the thread we've got going on on Facebook sir.
Any links for parts for my 200 83 model?
What's up Billy. Depends on what parts you need. I tend to bounce between facebook groups... ebay... and other OEM parts sellers. But it depends on if I need something that's still available, or reproduced, or something I need to track down and buy used from somebody. What are you after?
Digging the videos. Does anyone know the paint code for the 1980 185 atc I'm currently restoring one
Unfortunately I do not...
The 83 185s was my first bike at 6 years old
Yeah I had a 185's and my son had the 70 he was only six or seven then now he's 41 long time ago wish I had that 185's again
Yes sir, I hear ya. I'm a year younger than your son. Sounds like my dad raised me the same way that you raised your son. 185s's are great machines!
The 82 with a hitch and a front rack was mine... sigh❤
Yours as is, that exact one, or one like it?
Great video!
Live these videos man!!
Can I put a new atc200s top end on my atc 185
I believe the will totally interchange, but the 200S has an automatic decompression system with a cable, so you'd have to investigate how to keep the manual handle from the 185.
@This Old Trike well my 185 has decompression no cable so I'm not out just manually dealing with it but ya so far so good I have everything valves spring cdi piston jug guy I gave it to to do it said by looking at it isn't possible that's y I asked
Did you say 1983 was the last year for the 200? I have a 1984
1983 is the last year for the ATC 200. In 84 it went to the ATC 200s
@@ThisOldTrike mine was built in January 1984. It's not a S. I'm confused now lol same plastics and trunk as yours
@@ThisOldTrike wish I could post a picture.
@@barryrhyno3190 Could it be a 200M? Is it electric start? Orange/grey decals?
@@ThisOldTrike no electric start. I've been trying to figure out what it is for a couple years now. I was convinced it was a 200. There are no decals on it. 😩
84 200s is my favorite
185s and 200s video coming soon!
Also I wanted to mention that my 81 has the manual decompression lever, not the cable style, I wish I could add a photo.
Correct also. Manual decomp lever.
One of the things my 200s doesn't have a rear rack. Most likely I'll be building one from scratch for it. Maybe even some foot peg guards.
I believe 200S rear racks require holes to be drilled through the rear fenders.
@@ThisOldTrike my rear fenders are busted up and so sun faded it wouldn't be a major loss. Mine sat out in the weather for years and it sure has taken its toll on the original plastics.
Would have been sweet if the bigreds had the bigger footpegs instead of the tiny ones
Okay never mind you do have it
neato-flip!!
Something like that!
I have a friend that has a 1980 185.
I think my 1980 Honda XR 80 was that orange.
My 81 200 has a black recoil.
Any body have a spark arrester for a 81 185s I can buy
To me the square head lights are ugly I think the round head lights look the best on those models
the 81 185s was faster than 82 and 83 for some reason
I've heard the 83 was the fastest... something about having a hotter cam in it? Not sure what's true... regardless it sounds like the 82 might be the unappreciated middle child though!
The atc 185 was made from 1980 1981 1982 and 1983 please redo video
Hi Henry. The ATC 185 was only made in 1980. The ATC 185S was made from 1981 to 1983. I will do a video on those models and the ATC 200S at a later date. They are an entirely different chassis than these machines.
@@ThisOldTrike my bad so sorry I didn’t know that thought they were all the same the 185
So I think I ether have a 82 or a 83
Do you have suspended front forks or rigid? Should be an easy tell.
@@ThisOldTrike suspended
That's an 83 kind sir. You can confirm by checking the 10th digit in the VIN and verifying it's a D.
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U have to much money
Nah... what money I do have is becoming more worthless everyday... build back better or some garbage...
Both are unbelievably slow so I don't think it matters much...
Thanks for stopping by with your amazing opinion!
@@ThisOldTrike it's not an opinion.. 200s do about 35?.. I made the mistake of trying to find one of these heaps for my kids (cause they're cheap as dirt) and now it's like every other video I see is them..
I'm not talking about them being slow. I'm talking about your assertion that because they're slow, the differences between them doesn't matter. There's a large population of people that want to know the details and differences between all the makes and models of these. I've gone through them all. By your logic/opinion, I shouldn't have wasted my time on the ATC 70's? ATC 90's? ATC 110's? ATC 185S's? ATC 200S's? But that's just your opinion...
These go faster than 35, closer to 50. An ATC 90 will top out at like 32. Are they the fastest things on the planet? No but definitely not slow.
My 81’ ATC 200 does 50mph easy. I feel like that’s plenty fast for a three wheeler lol