Was PTI the political wing of the Military Establishment? - From 2011 Jalsa to 9th May -
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- A year on from 9th May 2023, we look back at the past year, from PTI being relaunched in 2011 to the 2014 Dharna, the 2017 movement against democracy, the 2018 Elections, the Hybrid Regime and the ouster of Imran Khan, we look at how the Military Establishment made in roads in Pakistan and the space for free media, democracy and civilian supremacy shrunk in Pakistan.
Was Imran Khan the spokesperson for the Military Establishment?
Was PTI a project of the ISI?
Was 9th May a False Flag Operation?
Find out this and more on this episode of The Pakistan Experience
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Chapters:
0:00 9th May one year on
1:00 Launch of PTI and the 22 year struggle of Imran Khan
8:45 Charter of Democracy and Relaunch of Imran Khan
16:20 2013 Elections, Hamid Mir and Restricting the space for Media
23:00 2014 Dharna and receding space for Democracy in Pakistan
27:00 The 2018 Elections and Movement against the Parliament
43:00 What was Imran Khan removed in 2022?
47:00 PTI's narrative of corruption and personal animosity
53:00 PTI and General Bajwa after April 2022 - Intra-Establishment Conflict
56:30 Cases against Imran Khan
1:00:50 9th May
1:16:00 Post Imran Khan World - บันเทิง
The only good thing LUMS has produced in their history is Shehzad Ghais
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Suneel Munj bruh
I would say Shazad personnel efforts and his parents support count the most. You are a real "IRON MAN"
@@ThePakistanExperience Hello Shehzad Ghais, I want to address some inaccuracies in your understanding of history. The formation of PTI was primarily driven by Imran Khan's efforts rather than being orchestrated by the establishment. It's important to clarify that General Musharraf himself acknowledged that Imran Khan was his preferred choice for Prime Minister, but Imran declined this offer. Thankfully, you didn't claim that the establishment made Imran Khan the captain of the cricket team; that's simply your personal opinion.
Hameed ur Rehman has emphasized that he founded IGI , but he has never claimed that PTI was established by the establishment.
Let's ensure our statements are based on factual information.
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A typical Imrandoo comment. 🤗
Shehzad is absolutely correct with no bias in his analysis. 🦉🦉
Please tell us, you're not going to shut down this show?
You are literally the best and unbiased source of information about Pakistan out there.
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Mai nahee karo ga, unki koi guarantee nahee woh kardain 😅
LUMS Kay Lawndoon ki sazish , RAW Kay agents 😅 jk
Speechless .What a wonderful analysis it was ,so compressed and understandable .Thankyou Shehzad for disintegrating the propaganda led by PTI and It's derivative and originators
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Shahzad bhai its been a year watching you and learnt alot from you. Thankyou for sharing your views and knowledge with us.
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It takes so much mental energy to just think and consume this stuff so can’t imagine how much each of these kind of podcasts must take out of you. Take care Brother ❤❤❤
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THANKYOU SO MUCH SIR. Your Videos have become a regular medicine for me. I was suffering from insomnia and then I started watching your videos. I fell asleep while watching your videos and no more feel insomnic. Thankyou once again.
Shahzad bhae kindly ap aek video bnaye ke ordinance kya hota ha
That’s so right shehzad, in ki jang me ham or pakistan affect ho rhy hai…
You are doing great.
Thank you.
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All I can say is THANKYOU👏 n Well-done 👍
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Brother im just a middleclass Punjabi living in Ludhiana Punjab India. im not from RAW or any other thing... i want to say that you are one of the BRAVEST in paksitan to speak truth publicly. God bless you and my best wishes for a prosperous pakistan for you to lead a good life.
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Anyone in romance with that particular department in pakistan show such bravery, in likes of Faisal vawda/Sher Afzal etc
Dear Shehzad, one of the best things that have happened to me because of watching your podcasts is that I've gained a perspective on different viewpoints. I've begun to appreciate how my thinking might be biased.
Another great thing that has happened is that I've become knowledgeable about Pakistan. I used to think I knew enough about my country but turns out I didn't.
Third, I've begun to love Pakistan 🥹 clearly it was extremely stupid of me earlier to not love it.
Thank you so much for your podcasts. I'm glad you exist 🙏
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Great Analysis Dear.
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Salam Shehzad. Good talk. Fee Amaan Allah.
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Good work, ❤
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A wonderful summary of political history. How civilian space shrinks in Pakistan with ever increasing control of the establishment. A must see for generation Z
Good video. I agree with 80-90% of what you said. I think sometimes you generalize a bit at times and manouver a bit to fit the narrative... But overall it is very good.. Especially your message at the end. I agree 100% with that..
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Thank you Shahzad bhae 😊
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Bro you have completely Overturned my mind....i had quite high about my IQ and my mind....but now im back to student mode in life.... Thanks... And you are very Brave brother. my blessings to you... from Ludhiana Punjab.
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Best analysis ever heard🎉🎉❤❤
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First time ever I listened a podcast completely really worrh Shahzad I appreciate you and you are true gem 💎 and critical thinker Love You❤️ ❤
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bhai please jawab dain, kia ttp ke sath ceasefire ke papers ka link mil skta hai??
Which one
@@ThePakistanExperience new one sare, jitne howe hain, jo kabul ke fall ke baad howe hai.
Best work
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Sir, please clear it 38:33 2009 or 2019?
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Not to glaze but i really appreciate this channel had it not been for this channel i would have never understood politics of pakistan and remained A-political
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Thank you for highlighting the truth, Shehzad. The only way forward for Pakistan is to build a consensus between all the major stakeholders
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Shekhar Gupta once said Pakistan army is one of the finest with is destroying its one country & people
The reason Pakistanis are so eagerly and adamantly believe in Pakistani army propaganda against India, and especially about the Indian army in Kashmir, is because that's all they have seen from their own army...
They know what their own army does to everyone from Balochistan to Kashmir to gilgit baltistan to fata and in erstwhile Bangladesh...
And they understand deep down about how Pakistan army would have handled things in place of the Indian army in Kashmir or the Israeli army in Gaza, and they know what they want to do to Indians and Jews, this is basically their own nature that they project on us...
@@karatekid7640 I am a Pakistani and I approve this message.
Shehzad your perspective, analysis, and research is superb! I am a fan and I think we need more of this form of info for the masses. While I share your views, it seems sometimes you are harsher on PTi (all you have said is valid) but the other mainstream parties are not any better. Zardari and Sharifs have also made those sorts of deals and engaged in similar if not the same sort of political manipulation. Am I just reading more into this or do you feel PTI has been more destructive than those other two parties. Would love to hear your thoughts and keep it up brother!
Thank you. I feel they’ve been more destructive in recent times, we had a better political landscape post charter of democracy till the Establishment derailed it using PTI
I listen to every serious of your podcast religiously and always enjoy it, and again today you have not disappointed at all.
A wise man once said these beautiful words and this is exactly what is wrong with our system.
ہر ایک کے لئے ایک نام ہے، ہر ایک کے لئے ایک رشتہ ہے لیکن “میں ہوں، میرا ہے، مجھے چاہئیے اور یہی میری ناکامی ہے”۔
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U r true star bro.
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we want more people like you, its been a hobby to hear your podcast, bravo
really.... brave man..veer. I had quite a view about myself my IQ,,, ur efforts have opened my eyes again... Its clear to me... News is not whats is shown. im back to student mode at 40 now. best wishes bro from ludhiana punjab.
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waiting for shahzad to make a video on dubai leaks ... guess whose name was in panama leaks or dubai leaks...
wishing you good physical and mental health. TPE haa touched every taboo or ghory subject in these past years and never been populist.Which i didnt saw in any other podcast so far. Listening you and many guests with ghory depressing details. Wish you good sleep, i know your endeavours exhaust you and creats anxiety. ❤
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You are right
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Sir itnie lambi podcast record kar de ha references and video clips he laga datay as evidences. Because without proof its all allegations and allegations tou kese pay b kuch b laga dou.
Wasn’t scripted. Aap bataye kis cheez ki reference chaiye I will post it, I do mention the names of everyone and the sources. Will post the links for anything specific you need the source was
Shezad bhai please gives references with your points so that we can convince other pti supporters
Let me know what you need the source for and I’ll provide it for each of my claims
@@ThePakistanExperience nah i can get it my self i was just giving a suggestion
@@speedylala9968I advise you against this useless practice. Cults cannot be convinced.
These podcast be hitting diffrent at 12 am
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Shahzad bro, today you're talking about what Talat Sir pointed out in the podcast....
I didn't agree to all the points he talked about (including Dismantling of Project IK at that time) even though I'm his subscriber since 2019...
But seems, it make some sense ....
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I have one Question for you... As you said that Establishment different daage pakati han to... Mujhe aap k es broadcast sa usi daag ki smell aa rahi ha... Ma nahi kah raha ha k aap jhoot bol rahy ho .. but ma ya kahna cha raha hu k aap kese k kahny per such bol rahy hn... Jo mujhe feel huwaa ha aapki sari baat sa... Best of Luck...
Bhutto, Mujib and Yahya Khan - 1971 Bangladesh kee Sachayee kya hay? - Pakistan Lost - #TPE
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Ye daig pakaye gi establishment?
Great podcast. Not really possible to get past the charismatic authority that Imran Khan has until some fall from grace happens. I don't think it matters how much sense you try to communicate to his followers but it's still worth doing even for the benefit of a few.
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SKMCH k head Dr Sultan ne Faisal warraich ki podcast mn clear cut bataya tha k he never said anything about NS's platelets......
Did he also say no skmch doctor also didn’t say anything
Love u man
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Good podcast worth listening
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Really beautiful v.log ❤
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Very nice information
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Keep it up Shahzad. Wondering if you will be getting a call from the BOYS soon. 😂
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to answer your tittle i will only say "Absolutely YES"
apka desk itna auncha kyun hai
Ooncha insaan hoon mai is liye 😅
Inflated sense of self 🤡
I hope you have a podcast with IK when he gets out and accuse him of all this face to face I'd love to see his reaction :)
Won’t happen. If he’s out that means deal hogayee boys say phir mai andar honga 😅
"When he gets out!"
It is very wide term considering Pakistan!
hahaha did you watch his podcast with bilawal buttto? not a single tough question.... so bahi yea sub dhanda hai
18:54 it was Khawaja Asif who went to ARY and said I have incontrovertible evidence that Geo Works for RAW. Put everything on IK.
King delivered
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How we break this military loop gives us the solution on this 🤔
is sy ziyada 9th may ko detail sndaz msin koi ni samjha sakta.
keep it up ❤ bas zara religious podcast ehtiyat sy kis karen.
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1:07:11 May 9th incident was planned and executed by PTI. All their (unofficial) Twitter spaces, youtube videos were getting people ready for this. My mom is 60 and she knew that she was support to goto GHQ if IK was arrested, that day, how I stopped my mom to go is something I will never forget… ager inqalaab a jata us din to meri maa nay chor dayna tha mughay kay main nay rook diya hisa bannay say.
The overseas Pakistani were also funding the poor in Pakistan to stay at IK residents to thwart the police asults. In many twitter spaces they would recite quran, and tell the on group poor guy that he was doing jihad and then showered $ for what they needed on ground.
9th may was not a false flag, however no civilian should ever be tried in a military court, and should never be denied bail.
Yes!
Aik hi buri cheez hai bhaiya ! Hr raat aik new podcast ka na milna 😂
Stay blessed brooooo❤
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Shehzad, that was spot on. The reason why I listen to you is because your analysis MAKES SENSE. Keep it up! ❤
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U exaggerated the arrest topic
May God Bless you Brother..Love from Your Separated Indian Brother❤
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So what's the conclusion politically?
Ye party kartay rahay gay
Awaam kee lagi rahay gi
i wish a healthy,flourishing and young democracy for our brothers neighbors pakistan.
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Very deep and detailed analysis of present times and the recent-past. 💐🙌
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Bravo to you for showing mirror to PTI
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simple baat hy civilians ko perform karna hy. step by step apni space regain karni hy. force sey military ko peechy nhi bheja ja skta. for time being military kay sath compromise karna hoga.
Insightful as usual
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“Yes, the Pakistan army remains the pre-eminent institution in the country, and the greatest repository of competence - if decidedly not wisdom - in the Pakistani system.” - ROBERT GRENIER - 30 Jan 2012
Love to see you again on podcasts. Pakistan is biggest issue is cult fellowship
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Oh this is going to be fun!
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Construction work going on in the house?🙃
Neighbours
Very informative video
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There is enough mawad there 🚬🔥56:55
Brilliant work, keep it up
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Shahzad bahe i am your fan lekn Adil Raja is a legend also
Ye toh legend lafz ki tazleel hay
Ye aadmi journalists critical of the state ko attack karta tha when he was in Pakistan
Aap baat kr rhy hn institutions ki Constitutional boundaries ki..... To kia ISI ka kaam tha Corruption ko investigate krna??.... Or agr waqae agr koi file Thi Bushra Bibi k khilaf to ab to 2 saal ho Gye Khan ko power se hatay huay to abhi tk q Ni koi case Bana or na hi koi update hui kisi maamlay pe... Or reh deh k Tosha Khana or Iddat walay pathetic cases mn saza Karwa di....
Hi shazad, a fan from oversea ( can assure you that I am not a youthia or imrandoo 😂😂) would love to be in touch if it’s ok. How can I contact you privately. ( if ok for you) cheers
Thepakistanexperience@gmail.com
@@ThePakistanExperience cheers mate👍
If PTI would have done charter of economy after the charter of democracy things would have been much better till now. But only if PTI was serious about governing rather than political victimisation
Gem 💎 of podcasts
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Sir PTI supporters ko farishte bhi nahi samjha sakte. They have shut their minds
Never disrespect social institutions
perfectly summed up lekin ye baat mein doston ko samjhaon. mein apny dinon ki maafi maangta hoon 😀
Army should apologise. Surrender to people of Pakistan. Handover criminal Army officers involved in crimes against Pakistanis. Let Pakistan grow and get out of Politics and all Business for ever. Go back to Borders for real Job Defence.
Bro do a podcast with abhijit iyer mitra
Pakistanis are always scared of debate with Indians... ghias due to fear of being obliterated will pass. 😂😂
@@AlHindMaskeen Tum log jhoot hi itna bolty ho. Sandeshkhali ka Sach Sammy agya hai ab to lekin uspy agar debate Hoti to Tum logo nai sachy ban Jana tha.
BJP IT cell's request?
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s and request to madrasa chap Podcaster.
Apriciareyou.Request..to.make.video
On.curuption..&how.much..I.m.f..loan.during..useless.leade to
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53:53 no IK didn't say that. IK said even Gen Bajwa thought that only way to force early election was to dissolve assemblies. Every journalist, PMLN & constitutional experts believed that as well.
www.thenews.com.pk/amp/1063527-gen-bajwa-advised-me-to-dissolve-assemblies-imran-khan
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Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan disclosed that he dissolved the provincial assemblies of Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) after the former army chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa advised him to do.
During a meeting with General Bajwa where President Dr Arif Alvi was also present, the former army chief suggested that if the PTI chief sought elections, he should first dissolve his governments in the two provinces, Khan said in a recent interview with a private news channel on Sunday.
First para is interpretation or narrative of the writer not IK's qoute. Second para is approx what IK said. A common sense question, if IK was acting on Gen Bajwa advice, why would he dissolve his assemblies well after Gen Bajwa was history & Faiz Hameed had resigned? Because people twist words & don't look at circumstantial evidence of anything. Farrukh Durrani & Ansar Abassi type people are who's touts we all know
Everyone has right to agree or disagree, but as an independent mind this was most Neutral and logical Analysis. Thanks
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بہت اچھے طریقے سے آپ نے فوج کی گرفت بتائی جس سے صرف یہ پتہ لگا کہ عمران خان نے کیسے فوج کو ان اداروں میں جگہ دی ہے جس کی وجہ سے فوج اب بالواسطہ طور پر حکومت کا حصہ بن گئی ہے بہت اچھے بھائی
Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) was the political wing of the military establishment.
Former COAS Bajwa created it so that IK party PTI wins the 2018 election;
While there were interactions between PTI and the military.
The Pakistani Army plays a significant role in politics, influencing power transitions and political stability in the country. It has historically intervened in political affairs, impacting governance and leadership changes
The army's involvement ranges from ensuring power transitions to orchestrating the rise and fall of political figures like Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif.Despite its constitutional mission of ensuring national security, the army's influence extends to internal politics, shaping governance and national unity.
I agree with all of that,but can't we support them with the hope that now they have learned from the past and won't take the support of establishment again and the common people don't have choice to do anything ,so shouldn't vote the party who has anti establishment narrative?
Then Pakistani should elect others than pti,ppp or pmln.
Hats off on this factual podcast
Salute to your bravery brother.
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You didn't mention how during Russia Ukraine war Imran Khan supported Russia and how this Imran khan's statement caused diplomatic issues for Pakistan
Because it wasn’t a major factor
The Establishment was on board with his visit. Baadh mai ja kar when he tried politically cashing in on it is when it became an issue
@@ThePakistanExperience Was Khan's back to back administrative failures a factor?
Country is still facing the aftermaths of this mission IK. Hope we get out of it soon.
As An Indian I Want to See shahid Afridi as the PM of Pakistan 😊
Mazaa Aajayega 😀
We Want Another Joker. Since Imran Khan Left, Jag Soona Soona Laagey 😮💨
Please Pakistan Do This, Allah Will Bless You 😊
Please enjoy the clown Modi till such time 😂😂😂
Tum brrwun ka khwab hi rh jaega
Bhakt spotted with schadenfreude
@@DataCrusade1999 alhamdulilla with ur cute lil mazLoom makBoza baji ❤
@@kashmirinspiration7942 I want a Muslim PM in India
What has happened is gone now he khan is only one opposing establishment
Are the PDM parties the political wing of army since the 90s?
Democracy vs Dictatorship - - Stolen Elections 1977 to 2008 Shehzad Ghias - #TPE
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Being a critic of Imran I have to acknowledge Imran spoke over media again and again about not only drone attacks but he started since Wana operation,Afghan policy, missing persons as well as drone attacks
As a matter of fact, all of the military leaders haven been great supporter of U.S. In contrast, Imran Khan never favoured this thing as thousands of innocent pakhtoons were killed due to military operation in KPK.
When was he against the military operations like Zara e Azb ?
@@ThePakistanExperience he has publicly said military operation is not the solution …. Bt ur like of u used to label him taliban khan
A wise man once said “aik to ye bewakof hn upar se koshish bhi ni krty”
Script well read☝️☝️
You munched so many facts but I understand and show sympathy for you.
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105:11 even in Gujranwala and Faizabad people were shot dead
Show us evidence.