Hickok45 is probably the one person who can actually say "It's not me, it was the gun". He switched out barrels towards the beginning of the video and started nailing his targets. Any other shooter would've just been missing and making excuses. Absolutely amazing.
GlowWormActual that actually has me concerned ....if he can't hit with a stock barrel should i give up on a g20sf and move on to a g40 that he didn't have to switch out barrels on?
+racex428 230 grains is super heavy for 10mm. That alone will mean it's hard for a standard 10mm rifling twist to keep it stabilized. Then, they're 230 grain hard cast lead bullets. The polygonal Glock rifling does not bite into unjacketed bullets well enough to stabilize them. They skip over the lands and don't twist along with them. All of that means that the bullets leave the barrel without enough gyroscopic stabilization and tumble end over end as they fly. When Hickok changed to the Lone Wolf barrel, he went from using polygonal rifling to standard rifling. Standard rifling has sharp edges which bite into unjacketed bullets. Now that the bullets were being spun by the rifling, they flew straight and true and were much more accurate. So anyway, my advice is to be aware that super heavy and/or unjacketed lead bullets don't work well in a stock Glock barrel and that an aftermarket barrel might be necessary to shoot them accurately.
+Luis Angel Perez Oh absolutely. Also, in another video Hickok shoots 220 grain hard cast bullets with no problems. Any jacketed ammo will be fine, and any 200-220 grain hard cast will probably be fine. 230 grain is just too heavy to be stabilized with the stock twist rate and smoother polygonal lands.
LOVE my G20... I have a 6" KKM barrel (non-ported) in it and it is nearly as accurate as my tuned Para 100th 1911. I think it is the best all around self defense pistol made. Comparatively light, high cap, nuke performance, accurate, reliable. Shoulder holster concealable, too.
No. Hard cast bullets have no jacket. The Sig V-Crown JHPs are jacketed. You won't ruin your barrel shooting it in either case, you just would need to clean your barrel with different cleaning products than you'd normally use.
@@louisstaiano4566 The new XDm 10mm has them beat now. They don't need aftermarket barrels to fire any thing. Glock did hold the title for best 10mm for yrs though.
@@scyorkshire2496 The new compact XD and M&P compact 10mm are amazing! I just picked u[ a Glock 29 gen 4 basically new with Aermiglo sights and all mags had pinky extensions. Hard to find so i picked it up. It's my only 10mm and it shoots great plus Glock is amazing but the newer 10mm brand guns are pretty cool. Plus you can run Glock 20 15 round mags in it instead of the 10 rounds 16+1 10mm Glock not bad at all.
One of the best videos I've seen yet Hickok!!! What and outstanding example of insufficient stabilization with a long projectile. That was a real treat seeing that so thanks for taking the time. Patriot
Nice video ! I live in Alaska when I go fishing or hunting, my glock g20 with the Viridian X5L Flashlight / Green Laser Combo and the Viridian holster always goes with me
You know, with a full of almost four decades of reloading stuff, I've never bought a bullet puller. The only bullet puller I have is my trigger finger - works great, but the bullets are hard to find sometimes. :-) I might pick one up next time I see one.
hicock 45 i am an nra instructor,and the way you teach your viewers is right on the money,,if your ever in massachussettes i'll have you in my class,you are the man.. awesome videos...thanks jerry
so sorry so many idiots leave sour comments ,you do a fine job and we love your vids.keep up the good work you do,you don't know how we truly enjoy watching..from an old marine and elmer kieth fan..who travels the earth from afhganistan to Bolivia with his four inch smith 44 and an old top eject 30-30....semper fi..
@boharlow , Thanks. I've been waiting for an expert to show me how to handle a Glock. I look forward to visiting your channel and learning how things are done properly. No doubt, you have lots of informative videos illustrating your expertise.
No, I get great accuracy from the stock barrels with everything I've tried. The only bullets that don't like the stock barrels are these heavy cast bullets.
@rbelena , All the jacketed Double Taps perform great. I've not tried the 200 grain cast bullets. I'd expect a little better performance, but after seeing the way the 230 grain cast bullets don't really connect with the rifling, I'd be surprised if I got really good accuracy with the 200 grain bullets, or ANY cast bullets perhaps if they are the same diameter at the 230 grain cast bullets.
@Southern661, Wouldn't be the length; they tumble in the Glock barrel that is the same length as the Lone Wolf barrel that does just fine with them. It has to be the rifling and/or diameter of the barrel, or bullet.
What a big difference between early hickock videos and ones of today....john has gotten to be a much better videoographer and Hickock himself has become very comfortable in front of the camera....I guess experience counts for alot...keep the videos coming!! Thanks guys !!
Of course, it's true. Anything anybody says on the Internet is absolutely true.:-) TH-cam is like any other source; if you watch enough of someone's videos and postings, you can probably determine the level of credibility pretty easily.
1st of all thanks for producing all of your videos. I really love your sense of humor, shooting has to be about the fun. I have been a 10mm shooter for many years with glocks, smiths, colts etc. Glad to see some videos out there promoting the caliber!
Well, you would not shoot a bear unless he were a threat, and if he were after you, I'm not sure a 9mm would be the best "medicine." I'd sure take it over a can of pepper spray or a big stick, though. :-)
Hey Hickok :) I used to carry monster revolvers on a regular basis when I fly fished in bear country. They were so heavy to carry all day, awkward to deploy quickly, and savage to shoot. I now carry a Glock 20C. It is lighter, faster, more durable, and has fast follow up shots. If anyone doubts the 10's power. I harvested a black bear last year with it. He was a 360 pound Bruin. I shot him in the heart from 30 yards with one shot. He dropped in his tracks. This is a great bear handgun :)
A benefit of the 10mm over the .44 magnum, of course, is the capacity of the 10mm. You can just keep pulling that trigger long after the revolver is empty. I'd sure like to see the Glock 20 with a six-inch ported Lone Wolf BBL and Buffalo Bore 220 grain hard cast reviewed. 10mm has too long been ignored due to the sissies in government who can't stand shooting it.
I thought this video was about the performance/accuracy of 10mm hardcast bullets in a Glock 20. But since you brought us here...if the sissies in government used .357 Magnum... Underwood .357 Magnum #720 - 180 grain WFNGC Velocity: 1400 fps Muzzle Energy: 783 ft/lbs. Underwood 10mm #241 - 180 grain TJM Velocity: 1300 fps Muzzle Energy: 676 ft/lbs. The reduced useful case capacity of the smaller 10mm pistol cartridge prevents it from exceeding the performance of the larger .357 Magnum revolver cartridge (by 20%) when comparing equally weighted bullets. You mentioned 10mm in the same sentence as 44 Magnum...I can only guess it was an attempt at humor.
And for the dumbasses who think 1400fps compared to 1300fps is a big difference, IT IS NOT! The 125gr 10mm Underwood extreme penetration 'WILL PENETRATE' 2in" bulletproof glass and the 125gr 357mag 'WILL NOT'! Reality beats stats.
Awesome video as usual. I am just outside of Knoxville and a huge Glock fan. I rely heavily on your videos for information and inspiration for the sport. Thanks again Hickok!
Hi Hickok. One of these days, could you please do a video explaining the difference between hard-cast and soft lead slugs and how they're made? The way you explain things is easy to understand. Thank you kindly!
I've carried Spyderco religiously since winning one in a speed defensive shotgun match in North Carolina in 1990. My son tells me I should do some knife reviews of the Spyderco I've used and carried, as well as the big sheath knives I own. Maybe down the road.
That could be it. I know back in around 1990 or '91, I shot cast bullets in my Glock 21, too. They seemed to do fine, even though I always had trouble getting the lead out of the chamber. After repeatedly reading and hearing NOT to shoot lead out of it, I quit doing it. I had my 1911s to shoot lead out of anyway.
Just shot my dad's G20. He bought it back in 1993, it still shoot like new. He's been Conceal Carrying it EVERY single day sine than, 0 problems only cleans it evey couple of years and everytime it shoots with 0 jams and 0 problems and all the rounds we shot have been stored away for the last 8 years or so hahahahha. You can't get better than Glock.
Your Glock vids are the best. I'm always watching and waiting for your next one to be posted. Keep up the great job, and thanks for all the testing you do. Saves a lot of us out here some serious money. And damn, your a great shooter.
@retthok , Yeah, or at least not enough contact. The Lone Wolf rifling is the more traditional sharper rifling, plus the Lone Wolf bore might be just a tad smaller.
I was recently arguing with some folks from Northern Canada about the best mountain handgun suitable for bear protection available today. Here is my response and why I think the Glock 20 is the ultimate mountain gun... I think preparation is all about calculation of probabilities and when i do the math for determining the ultimate (or optimum) mountain gun, although i love big revolvers, odds point out high capacity, 10mm semi-auto pistols. Moreover, although my hearth is with the mighty S&W Model 29, calculations suggest the ugly but functional Glock 20 as the ultimate mountain carry gun even for the grizzly land. First of all, even a 50. Magnum would not stop a large charging bear if the bullet does not hit central nervous system or spinal column or heart or artery. Hydrostatic shock and tissue cavitation will not help alone to knock down such a huge mass unless you are shooting it with a proper rifle. So, while the odds are already against hitting a charging bear with a handgun, odds get even smaller for a death blow. At this point capacity of a semi-auto pistol over a revolver has a significant mathematical advantage. You almost have 3 times more rounds in an auto than a 6 shooter revolver which is just like tossing a coin 15 times in a row for the heads versus 5 times in a row. In principle your chances of survival increases proportionally with the round capacity and this is the main reason why all government agencies adopts semi-autos instead of revolvers. (Ironically this is also the reason why California State is limiting the magazine capacity for civilian use with 10 rounds.) More over, the more ammo you have in the magazine, the more tactical advantage you gain. For example it would be a wise decision to send up a couple of rounds just to frighten the bear. (Actually, in a bear encounter, if he doesn't walk away after all efforts, shooting a couple of rounds to scare him before aiming at him should be considered. But with a revolver that is questionable.) Or if the attack is unavoidable, you would need some extra rounds for close combat in case you cant stop him on his way. Secondly; high energy hot rounds like 10mm auto, 41. Magnum or 44. Magnum have extra recoil energy which would effect the accuracy dramatically especially in rapid fire mode. Low recoil guns are always preferable and semi-autos are natural recoil energy absorbers due to their designs. Because the recoil management is inherently easier with a semi-auto chances for a hit is higher therefore chance of survival is higher. (Even petite females can shoot the G20 relatively well.) Thirdly; auto-cocking ability of an auto is a big advantage over a standard double action revolver especially in rapid fire mode. Semi-autos have higher hit-rates at rapid fire mode due to the light trigger pull advantage. And finally, regarding the ballistic capabilities of the 10mm auto; it is between 357. Magnum and 41. Magnum. For example, the muzzle energy of a 155 gr. TAC-XP Buffalo Bore round is about 1050 J with a 4.5 inch (11.5 cm) barrel. Although it is not as brutal as 50 Magnum, that is well enough kinetic energy and momentum (without doubt) to penetrate a bear's skull or the spinal column or the muscle tissue to reach his heart or artery. In conclusion, although the kinetic energy and momentum of a bullet fired from a large revolver is extremely higher than a 10mm semi-auto, chances for a hit (wounding or death blow) for the semi-auto is significantly higher. Additionally, with all the other tactical advantages mentioned above, a reliable, high capacity, 10mm semi-auto like the Glock 20 overrides any revolver as a mountain gun. It's also important to note that 'Slædepatruljen Sirius' (Arctic Patrol of Danish Navy) units are using the Glock 20 as their sidearm for protection against polar bears. Note: When i move to the North my mountain gun will be a Glock 20. But if I had to choose a revolver I would go for a 44 magnum, preferably a 3 or 4 inch Model 29. I think the 50. Magnum is useless especially for bear protection unless you are the Incredible Hulk (or Hickok45:) It is already difficult to handle the damn thing at the range and I cant imagine myself trying to defend my self effectively against a charging grizzly!
Nice job writing about 10mm benefits in G-20. Recently I got myself a G-40 (six inch barrel version of G-20) although I own the 20 as well. Extra barrel length adds about 80-100fps as every bit of added velocity might help a bit. But, you can't go wrong with you choice of G-20.
I think the 10mm Glock is a good choice but far from the "ultimate" mountain gun in respect of bear attacks. I'm no expert but I've read tons of information on the subject just because I'm a bit of a bear nut and love to shoot. The 10mm, with the right combination of bullet and velocity, likely has enough penetration to hit the important spots so that's not the problem. The problem arises from the information collected from the documentation of actual bear attacks. In the vast majority of these bear attacks there are only seconds in between the victim seeing the bear and the bear being on them. Those precious seconds are going to be used up just in the time it takes for the brain to realize what is happening, drawing the handgun and acquiring an aim point on a moving animal with a very small "must hit" zone. When you throw in the effects of fear, anxiety and massive adrenaline rush there isn't going to be more than one or two aimed shots fired before the bear is on the shooter. In most cases the extra capacity gives you no advantage at all. My opinion is that the "ultimate" mountain/bear defense gun is whichever gun the shooter is most accurate with that is capable of penetrating a large bear. If that's a 10mm Glock then, yes, it's the best but it could be a S&W 629 .44 magnum or a Ruger Blackhawk Bisley .45 Colt too. If I'm going to be in big bear country where an attack is possible I'm carrying whatever I have that can handle the job and gives me the best chance of making that one or maybe two perfect shot/s inside two seconds while systematically pooping myself. I don't think "that" gun can be determined by anyone but the person carrying it. Just my opinion anyway..
I agree about that instant attack situation. But in most of these, people can't even find time to touch their guns. After all I think the ultimate mountain gun is the human intelligence. One must understand that guns are only tools as a part of preparation, nothing more. Furthermore if you search bear attack statistics involving natives (like native Alaskans like eskimos ) you would find much.
I know, i just don't feel alright with a barrel from another manufacturer. I think Glock should consider manufacturing standard rifling barrels -as an option- for heavy-cast bullets. I bet they would sell it great.
And your absolutely right..a hunter just stopped a grizzly with this, is what brought me to looking into this glock model. Your spot on with your info Hickok.
Would you recommend changing out the stock barrel on the G20 in order to shoot hard cast (200-230 grain)? My main use would be hiking in Griz country (Glacier National Park). Or would another ammo be better for my use? Thanks!
Just a heads up - I think taking firearms in national parks is highly illegal. I don’t mean to pester you or tell you what to do, I just wouldn’t want you to get in trouble. I may be wrong, but I frequent the areas around Rocky Mountain national park in Colorado and they’re very strict about it.
@@RockyMountainWest13 thanks, I had the same concern, but have researched this and discovered that it is legal to carry in all national parks as they are US territory (rather than private land) and the second amendment must therefore be upheld on them. I have heard, however, that carrying may be banned in stores, hotels, etc. In the national parks.
Keep an eye out. We just tested the 220 grain Buffalo Bore hard cast bullets in both the Glock 20 and the Glock 19 to see if they would stabilize in the stock Glock barrel. We'll post it sometime this month.
I'm happy for the 10 mm's return, people are waking up to find 40 S&W was not the espresso shot they craved but decaf. The 10mm is a triple-shot dark roast but it's got the cream to balance it, and by cream I mean accuracy.
Yeah but H45 has the bear paws to hold that big mug of dark roast but not every shooter (male and female) does. Shot placement is king and you can't miss fast enough to win a gun fight or a bear charge.
Sectional density, not ballistic coefficient BCE is a measure of the bullet's ability to overcome air resistance. SD speaks to bullet weight and diameter..Nice demo!
Six Wings exactly, when he said it would have a very high BC because the bullet is long I thought that sounded odd. Usually you need a long, slender and pointed bullet to achieve a very high BC like 6.5 creedmoor or the new .224 Valkyrie
i bet since the bullet is longer it need a higher twist rate and i think that the second barrel has more twist that is why i think that it was more accurate.
No, that cannot be the reason. Stock Glock barrels have 1:10 twist rate rifling, while Lone Wolf barrels have 1:16 twist rate rifling. So the aftermarket barrels have slower rifling. And apparently it is that slower twist rate that helps to stabilize the heavier rounds.
The Glock factory barrels I have examined have all had polygonal rifling rather than conventional lands and grooves. Glock tells us not to use cast bullets in them. It's the sort of riling that makes the difference.
Nice as always. Scared me at first wondered if you were feeling ok. Never seen you miss like that glad to see it was the Glock barrel. Lol. Keep up the great work.
This video makes me glad that I bought a Lone Wolf barrel for my Glock 23 whenever or if ever I decide to reload cast lead bullets for it. That Glock 20 standard barrel simply does not reflect good accuracy with those bullets. If I were to face a ball-eating boar or a a bear I think a good S &W 29 or Ruger Redhawk in .44 magnum would be a better choice. Better yet, a Ruger Super Redhawk in .454 Casull magnum
when I hear people say the 10mm doesn't have the power for putting down large game I just go youtube ted nugent shooting a cape buffalo and laugh at those who don't believe its a viable defense auto pistol in the woods
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No, not at all; it's just that they have rifling suitable for shooting cast bullets. I much prefer the stock barrel with jacketed bullets and would never carry an aftermarket barrel. It's strictly for range use. The only problem there is, if I wanted to carry this 230 grain cast bullet in bear country, I'd have to carry with the Lone Wolf barrel and just hope it's as reliable as stock barrels in terms of feeding.
that was awesome.! I think I am sold on that combo for bear defense. You give new meaning to the term BLOCKBUSTER!! those gong chimes were noticeably louder than usual. thanks Hickok..
I'm one of those dopes who doesn't read his owner's manual. So when I bought my first Glock in 1992 I fed it my cast bullet reloads. It wasn't until years later that I found out that Glock does not recommend the practice. I stopped immediately after, and then I purchased an after market barrel from Lone Wolf. It shoots just fine with my cast bullets, but then so did the stock Glock barrel. Better safe than sorry I guess.
I absolutely love the glock 20 sf in 10mm. It is my winter carry, home defense pistol and my farm/ hunting pistol. That's what i love about the 10mm, it serves a variety of purposes.
@shitpickle1128 , It's recommended NOT to shoot anything but jacketed ammo in a stock Glock barrel. There are plenty of aftermarket barrels for shooting cast bullets, though.
On the left is a cross-section of standard rifling and the right polygonal rifling. Glock has the polygonal. The polygonal doesn't stabilize bullets that aren't jacket (coated in copper or brass) but it's easier to clean and lasts longer. The bullet will tumble in flight much like a football that has been thrown but not in a spiral.
Hello Mr. Hickok45 , nice Glock Thumb , could not get better . I plan on having one myself , sooner than later . Great video`s , I enjoy them all , and I`m glad you enjoy making them .
Yes, but it's not because one barrel is made "better" than another. The Glock barrels are just not designed for a lead bullet that is probably undersized and this heavy. As someone pointed out, the bullet is probably a little undersized in diameter - not sure. I got these kinds of tumbling with .44 Mag out of my Marlin rifle until I started buying larger diameter bullets to load.
Stock Glock barrels are polygonal - they have no "rifling" to "cut" into the lead, the bore itself is cut in a geometric pattern that allows for a "rifling" effect. Since there are no edges, the lead will seal flat against the surface - raising pressure of the gas (harder to push the lead down), and after a few rounds can create a layer of lead that will act like tar to the next bullets fired - building too much pressure in the breech. Some aftermarket barrels have actual cut rifling for lead.
@andrelemalle, I check them in my G29; they did about the same time. Once a bullet is tumbling at just a few yards, there's really no "worse," I guess. It's like throwing rocks. :-)
It is. The 10mm is the parent cartridge for the .40 SW. The 10mm is a shortened .30carbine case (shortened to .992 inches), and the .40 SW was shortened by another .142 inches. The 10mm is quite a bit more powerful than the .40SW.
The 200 grain FMJ ammo from Double Tap actually shows a higher energy figure. It's a higher velocity than these 230 grain cast bullets. They might actually be a better choice for bear country - not sure. Guess it would depend on how well the jacket held together. If it did, the penetration should be equal, at least.
@hickok45 I also think it is probably the rifling of the stock barrel. I think the octagonal rifling can not get enough 'bite' on the lead bullet to stabilize it enough before it leaves the barrel. The Wolf barrel with the normal/standard rifling obviously can get the bullet to 'spin' and stabilize.
Hickok45 is probably the one person who can actually say "It's not me, it was the gun". He switched out barrels towards the beginning of the video and started nailing his targets. Any other shooter would've just been missing and making excuses. Absolutely amazing.
GlowWormActual that actually has me concerned ....if he can't hit with a stock barrel should i give up on a g20sf and move on to a g40 that he didn't have to switch out barrels on?
+racex428 230 grains is super heavy for 10mm. That alone will mean it's hard for a standard 10mm rifling twist to keep it stabilized. Then, they're 230 grain hard cast lead bullets. The polygonal Glock rifling does not bite into unjacketed bullets well enough to stabilize them. They skip over the lands and don't twist along with them. All of that means that the bullets leave the barrel without enough gyroscopic stabilization and tumble end over end as they fly. When Hickok changed to the Lone Wolf barrel, he went from using polygonal rifling to standard rifling. Standard rifling has sharp edges which bite into unjacketed bullets. Now that the bullets were being spun by the rifling, they flew straight and true and were much more accurate.
So anyway, my advice is to be aware that super heavy and/or unjacketed lead bullets don't work well in a stock Glock barrel and that an aftermarket barrel might be necessary to shoot them accurately.
mannys9130 so lighter hollow points should do just fine with a stock g20?
+Luis Angel Perez Oh absolutely. Also, in another video Hickok shoots 220 grain hard cast bullets with no problems. Any jacketed ammo will be fine, and any 200-220 grain hard cast will probably be fine. 230 grain is just too heavy to be stabilized with the stock twist rate and smoother polygonal lands.
mannys9130 Thank you man, what would be the best round for a g20 in your opinion?
Still the best firearms channel to watch. Honest, funny, and a great way to pass the time!!!
Really appreciate your no nonsense videos. Straight to the point and not to technical. Thanks! Much Respect Brother
LOVE my G20... I have a 6" KKM barrel (non-ported) in it and it is nearly as accurate as my tuned Para 100th 1911. I think it is the best all around self defense pistol made. Comparatively light, high cap, nuke performance, accurate, reliable. Shoulder holster concealable, too.
The stock Glock barrels are very accurate, in my experience. They are just not designed for heavy cast bullets.
No. Hard cast bullets have no jacket. The Sig V-Crown JHPs are jacketed. You won't ruin your barrel shooting it in either case, you just would need to clean your barrel with different cleaning products than you'd normally use.
Wow, amazing to see it that inaccurate! not sure how I have missed this video.
Underwood came out with a hard cast with some coating on it so it's safe for Glock 20 stock barrel. Have you tried these?
Double tap uses a copper gas check on their hard cast which is supposed to minimize leading issues
Lonewolf Match Barrels …. A definite improvement and a must for hardcast ammo
Glock has the best 10mm, by far. Low recoil, capacity, and reliability. Good demo, as always.
+mick mueller Don't forget the pricing!
I agree 100% with you can't beat the Glock in 10 mm it was made for that round
@@louisstaiano4566 The new XDm 10mm has them beat now. They don't need aftermarket barrels to fire any thing. Glock did hold the title for best 10mm for yrs though.
@@scyorkshire2496 The new compact XD and M&P compact 10mm are amazing! I just picked u[ a Glock 29 gen 4 basically new with Aermiglo sights and all mags had pinky extensions. Hard to find so i picked it up. It's my only 10mm and it shoots great plus Glock is amazing but the newer 10mm brand guns are pretty cool. Plus you can run Glock 20 15 round mags in it instead of the 10 rounds 16+1 10mm Glock not bad at all.
One of the best videos I've seen yet Hickok!!! What and outstanding example of insufficient stabilization with a long projectile. That was a real treat seeing that so thanks for taking the time.
Patriot
You take your chances with a spray can; I'll take my chances with "heavy lead." :-)
Much higher % of safe encounters using bear spray than a firearm. I guess that's the difference between scaring him off and pissing him off.
@@bibigreen6533 Depends on the firearm you are using. Because a lot of times people don't know the caliber that is necessary to take down a bear.
@@michaeltruthseeker6584 It's just statistics, not my opinion.
Exactly!!
Nice video ! I live in Alaska when I go fishing or hunting, my glock g20 with the Viridian X5L Flashlight / Green Laser Combo and the Viridian holster always goes with me
How do you like that holster? I've been searching forever hoping to find a good holster for my g20 with a tlr-4 laser and light combo
You know, with a full of almost four decades of reloading stuff, I've never bought a bullet puller. The only bullet puller I have is my trigger finger - works great, but the bullets are hard to find sometimes. :-) I might pick one up next time I see one.
hicock 45 i am an nra instructor,and the way you teach your viewers is right on the money,,if your ever in massachussettes
i'll have you in my class,you are the man..
awesome videos...thanks jerry
Yeah, even I am not immune to an occasional lapse into bigotry, when I just cannot resist stereotyping those annoying, nerdy "white guys"! :-)
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so sorry so many idiots leave sour comments ,you do a fine job and we love your vids.keep up the good work you do,you don't know how we truly enjoy watching..from an old marine and elmer kieth fan..who travels the earth from afhganistan to Bolivia with his four inch smith 44 and an old top eject 30-30....semper fi..
@boharlow , Thanks. I've been waiting for an expert to show me how to handle a Glock. I look forward to visiting your channel and learning how things are done properly. No doubt, you have lots of informative videos illustrating your expertise.
You can really see just how much force he's hitting those targets with. The 10MM knocks those animals DOWN. Very powerful cartridge.
No, I get great accuracy from the stock barrels with everything I've tried. The only bullets that don't like the stock barrels are these heavy cast bullets.
@rbelena , All the jacketed Double Taps perform great. I've not tried the 200 grain cast bullets. I'd expect a little better performance, but after seeing the way the 230 grain cast bullets don't really connect with the rifling, I'd be surprised if I got really good accuracy with the 200 grain bullets, or ANY cast bullets perhaps if they are the same diameter at the 230 grain cast bullets.
I want Hickok to be my grandpa tbh
Higherimagez Official I completely agree with you my friend, he would make a great president! 👍🏽
Everyone needs a Grandfather like Hickock!!
@Southern661, Wouldn't be the length; they tumble in the Glock barrel that is the same length as the Lone Wolf barrel that does just fine with them. It has to be the rifling and/or diameter of the barrel, or bullet.
The stock barrels are great, just not good with these unusual bullets.
Hickock is the master of common sense.
Glock 20, 15+1 of 230grn hard cast 10mm. Because some people just like to watch the world burn.
As long as you use an aftermarket barrel. If you use the stock barrel, apparently you'd miss the world.
Why yes.
What a big difference between early hickock videos and ones of today....john has gotten to be a much better videoographer and Hickock himself has become very comfortable in front of the camera....I guess experience counts for alot...keep the videos coming!! Thanks guys !!
Of course, it's true. Anything anybody says on the Internet is absolutely true.:-) TH-cam is like any other source; if you watch enough of someone's videos and postings, you can probably determine the level of credibility pretty easily.
1st of all thanks for producing all of your videos. I really love your sense of humor, shooting has to be about the fun. I have been a 10mm shooter for many years with glocks, smiths, colts etc. Glad to see some videos out there promoting the caliber!
Well, you would not shoot a bear unless he were a threat, and if he were after you, I'm not sure a 9mm would be the best "medicine." I'd sure take it over a can of pepper spray or a big stick, though. :-)
hickok45 I would like to know what you think about the hi point 10mm carbine
Hey Hickok :) I used to carry monster revolvers on a regular basis when I fly fished in bear country. They were so heavy to carry all day, awkward to deploy quickly, and savage to shoot. I now carry a Glock 20C. It is lighter, faster, more durable, and has fast follow up shots. If anyone doubts the 10's power. I harvested a black bear last year with it. He was a 360 pound Bruin. I shot him in the heart from 30 yards with one shot. He dropped in his tracks. This is a great bear handgun :)
A benefit of the 10mm over the .44 magnum, of course, is the capacity of the 10mm. You can just keep pulling that trigger long after the revolver is empty. I'd sure like to see the Glock 20 with a six-inch ported Lone Wolf BBL and Buffalo Bore 220 grain hard cast reviewed. 10mm has too long been ignored due to the sissies in government who can't stand shooting it.
I thought this video was about the performance/accuracy of 10mm hardcast bullets in a Glock 20. But since you brought us here...if the sissies in government used .357 Magnum...
Underwood .357 Magnum #720 - 180 grain WFNGC
Velocity: 1400 fps
Muzzle Energy: 783 ft/lbs.
Underwood 10mm #241 - 180 grain TJM
Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 676 ft/lbs.
The reduced useful case capacity of the smaller 10mm pistol cartridge prevents it from exceeding the performance of the larger .357 Magnum revolver cartridge (by 20%) when comparing equally weighted bullets. You mentioned 10mm in the same sentence as 44 Magnum...I can only guess it was an attempt at humor.
TOBORE8THMAN government should use hand grenades.
And for the dumbasses who think 1400fps compared to 1300fps is a big difference, IT IS NOT! The 125gr 10mm Underwood extreme penetration 'WILL PENETRATE' 2in" bulletproof glass and the 125gr 357mag 'WILL NOT'! Reality beats stats.
In Kaliforña that's the difference between 6 trigger pulls vs 10.
Awesome video as usual. I am just outside of Knoxville and a huge Glock fan. I rely heavily on your videos for information and inspiration for the sport. Thanks again Hickok!
Hi Hickok. One of these days, could you please do a video explaining the difference between hard-cast and soft lead slugs and how they're made? The way you explain things is easy to understand. Thank you kindly!
See our video on hard cast bullets.
I've carried Spyderco religiously since winning one in a speed defensive shotgun match in North Carolina in 1990.
My son tells me I should do some knife reviews of the Spyderco I've used and carried, as well as the big sheath knives I own. Maybe down the road.
Oh man, life is good indeed! Respect from Kuwait 👍
+Ahmad Al Terkait Awesome to see ya on here!!!
My favorite pistol caliber fired by one of my favorite TH-cam gun guys. FIVE STARS. Great armchair shooter impersonation!
Nice to the differences in the barrels
That could be it. I know back in around 1990 or '91, I shot cast bullets in my Glock 21, too. They seemed to do fine, even though I always had trouble getting the lead out of the chamber. After repeatedly reading and hearing NOT to shoot lead out of it, I quit doing it. I had my 1911s to shoot lead out of anyway.
I wish I had my own range on my private property were idiot's aren't allowed.
Me too can't beat the Glock 20 in 10 mm it was made for that round
@ABorell12 , Only with these heavy cast bullets, which nobody really shoots much. The stock barrels are very, very accurate with jacketed bullets.
Just shot my dad's G20. He bought it back in 1993, it still shoot like new. He's been Conceal Carrying it EVERY single day sine than, 0 problems only cleans it evey couple of years and everytime it shoots with 0 jams and 0 problems and all the rounds we shot have been stored away for the last 8 years or so hahahahha. You can't get better than Glock.
Your Glock vids are the best. I'm always watching and waiting for your next one to be posted. Keep up the great job, and thanks for all the testing you do. Saves a lot of us out here some serious money. And damn, your a great shooter.
Yeah, the hat seemed to really help when I changed the barrel! :-)
@retthok , Yeah, or at least not enough contact. The Lone Wolf rifling is the more traditional sharper rifling, plus the Lone Wolf bore might be just a tad smaller.
I was recently arguing with some folks from Northern Canada about the best mountain handgun suitable for bear protection available today. Here is my response and why I think the Glock 20 is the ultimate mountain gun...
I think preparation is all about calculation of probabilities and when i do the math for determining the ultimate (or optimum) mountain gun, although i love big revolvers, odds point out high capacity, 10mm semi-auto pistols. Moreover, although my hearth is with the mighty S&W Model 29, calculations suggest the ugly but functional Glock 20 as the ultimate mountain carry gun even for the grizzly land.
First of all, even a 50. Magnum would not stop a large charging bear if the bullet does not hit central nervous system or spinal column or heart or artery. Hydrostatic shock and tissue cavitation will not help alone to knock down such a huge mass unless you are shooting it with a proper rifle. So, while the odds are already against hitting a charging bear with a handgun, odds get even smaller for a death blow. At this point capacity of a semi-auto pistol over a revolver has a significant mathematical advantage. You almost have 3 times more rounds in an auto than a 6 shooter revolver which is just like tossing a coin 15 times in a row for the heads versus 5 times in a row. In principle your chances of survival increases proportionally with the round capacity and this is the main reason why all government agencies adopts semi-autos instead of revolvers. (Ironically this is also the reason why California State is limiting the magazine capacity for civilian use with 10 rounds.)
More over, the more ammo you have in the magazine, the more tactical advantage you gain. For example it would be a wise decision to send up a couple of rounds just to frighten the bear. (Actually, in a bear encounter, if he doesn't walk away after all efforts, shooting a couple of rounds to scare him before aiming at him should be considered. But with a revolver that is questionable.) Or if the attack is unavoidable, you would need some extra rounds for close combat in case you cant stop him on his way.
Secondly; high energy hot rounds like 10mm auto, 41. Magnum or 44. Magnum have extra recoil energy which would effect the accuracy dramatically especially in rapid fire mode. Low recoil guns are always preferable and semi-autos are natural recoil energy absorbers due to their designs. Because the recoil management is inherently easier with a semi-auto chances for a hit is higher therefore chance of survival is higher. (Even petite females can shoot the G20 relatively well.)
Thirdly; auto-cocking ability of an auto is a big advantage over a standard double action revolver especially in rapid fire mode. Semi-autos have higher hit-rates at rapid fire mode due to the light trigger pull advantage.
And finally, regarding the ballistic capabilities of the 10mm auto; it is between 357. Magnum and 41. Magnum. For example, the muzzle energy of a 155 gr. TAC-XP Buffalo Bore round is about 1050 J with a 4.5 inch (11.5 cm) barrel. Although it is not as brutal as 50 Magnum, that is well enough kinetic energy and momentum (without doubt) to penetrate a bear's skull or the spinal column or the muscle tissue to reach his heart or artery.
In conclusion, although the kinetic energy and momentum of a bullet fired from a large revolver is extremely higher than a 10mm semi-auto, chances for a hit (wounding or death blow) for the semi-auto is significantly higher. Additionally, with all the other tactical advantages mentioned above, a reliable, high capacity, 10mm semi-auto like the Glock 20 overrides any revolver as a mountain gun. It's also important to note that 'Slædepatruljen Sirius' (Arctic Patrol of Danish Navy) units are using the Glock 20 as their sidearm for protection against polar bears.
Note: When i move to the North my mountain gun will be a Glock 20. But if I had to choose a revolver I would go for a 44 magnum, preferably a 3 or 4 inch Model 29. I think the 50. Magnum is useless especially for bear protection unless you are the Incredible Hulk (or Hickok45:) It is already difficult to handle the damn thing at the range and I cant imagine myself trying to defend my self effectively against a charging grizzly!
Nice job writing about 10mm benefits in G-20. Recently I got myself a G-40 (six inch barrel version of G-20) although I own the 20 as well. Extra barrel length adds about 80-100fps as every bit of added velocity might help a bit. But, you can't go wrong with you choice of G-20.
I think the 10mm Glock is a good choice but far from the "ultimate" mountain gun in respect of bear attacks. I'm no expert but I've read tons of information on the subject just because I'm a bit of a bear nut and love to shoot. The 10mm, with the right combination of bullet and velocity, likely has enough penetration to hit the important spots so that's not the problem. The problem arises from the information collected from the documentation of actual bear attacks. In the vast majority of these bear attacks there are only seconds in between the victim seeing the bear and the bear being on them. Those precious seconds are going to be used up just in the time it takes for the brain to realize what is happening, drawing the handgun and acquiring an aim point on a moving animal with a very small "must hit" zone. When you throw in the effects of fear, anxiety and massive adrenaline rush there isn't going to be more than one or two aimed shots fired before the bear is on the shooter. In most cases the extra capacity gives you no advantage at all.
My opinion is that the "ultimate" mountain/bear defense gun is whichever gun the shooter is most accurate with that is capable of penetrating a large bear. If that's a 10mm Glock then, yes, it's the best but it could be a S&W 629 .44 magnum or a Ruger Blackhawk Bisley .45 Colt too. If I'm going to be in big bear country where an attack is possible I'm carrying whatever I have that can handle the job and gives me the best chance of making that one or maybe two perfect shot/s inside two seconds while systematically pooping myself. I don't think "that" gun can be determined by anyone but the person carrying it.
Just my opinion anyway..
I agree about that instant attack situation. But in most of these, people can't even find time to touch their guns. After all I think the ultimate mountain gun is the human intelligence. One must understand that guns are only tools as a part of preparation, nothing more. Furthermore if you search bear attack statistics involving natives (like native Alaskans like eskimos ) you would find much.
i wouldn't go with a barrel other than original. -there is no logic here though, just a feeling.
I know, i just don't feel alright with a barrel from another manufacturer. I think Glock should consider manufacturing standard rifling barrels -as an option- for heavy-cast bullets. I bet they would sell it great.
And your absolutely right..a hunter just stopped a grizzly with this, is what brought me to looking into this glock model. Your spot on with your info Hickok.
His voice makes me think of John Wayne... am I alone in this?
hello pilgrims!
jchinckley he is John Wayne!
Not until now. Thanks. Now i hear it all the time.
No, you ain't alone pilgrim. He nails targets at over 100 yards with a 45 pistol (other vids)..... I think he actually is John Wayne, reincarnated.
you know what i love about this guy.he doesnt claim to be any expert.hes just a guy haven fun. from ireland keep on shooten.
Would you recommend changing out the stock barrel on the G20 in order to shoot hard cast (200-230 grain)? My main use would be hiking in Griz country (Glacier National Park). Or would another ammo be better for my use? Thanks!
You can shoot hard cast Hi-Tek coated bullets through your Glock safely.
Just a heads up - I think taking firearms in national parks is highly illegal. I don’t mean to pester you or tell you what to do, I just wouldn’t want you to get in trouble. I may be wrong, but I frequent the areas around Rocky Mountain national park in Colorado and they’re very strict about it.
@@RockyMountainWest13 thanks, I had the same concern, but have researched this and discovered that it is legal to carry in all national parks as they are US territory (rather than private land) and the second amendment must therefore be upheld on them. I have heard, however, that carrying may be banned in stores, hotels, etc. In the national parks.
Keep an eye out. We just tested the 220 grain Buffalo Bore hard cast bullets in both the Glock 20 and the Glock 19 to see if they would stabilize in the stock Glock barrel. We'll post it sometime this month.
I'm happy for the 10 mm's return, people are waking up to find 40 S&W was not the espresso shot they craved but decaf. The 10mm is a triple-shot dark roast but it's got the cream to balance it, and by cream I mean accuracy.
Yes.
I hate the 40. good analogy
+dukenukemthreed - like your coffee analogy of the rounds
AH yes fellow coffee addict
Yeah but H45 has the bear paws to hold that big mug of dark roast but not every shooter (male and female) does. Shot placement is king and you can't miss fast enough to win a gun fight or a bear charge.
@marcuskim76 , I shoot mostly 180 grain bullets, but I think the 10mm comes in anywhere from about 150 grains to 230 grains.
Sectional density, not ballistic coefficient BCE is a measure of the bullet's ability to overcome air resistance. SD speaks to bullet weight and diameter..Nice demo!
Six Wings exactly, when he said it would have a very high BC because the bullet is long I thought that sounded odd. Usually you need a long, slender and pointed bullet to achieve a very high BC like 6.5 creedmoor or the new .224 Valkyrie
Great demonstration on the 10mm Glock 20.
i bet since the bullet is longer it need a higher twist rate and i think that the second barrel has more twist that is why i think that it was more accurate.
No, that cannot be the reason. Stock Glock barrels have 1:10 twist rate rifling, while Lone Wolf barrels have 1:16 twist rate rifling. So the aftermarket barrels have slower rifling. And apparently it is that slower twist rate that helps to stabilize the heavier rounds.
The Glock factory barrels I have examined have all had polygonal rifling rather than conventional lands and grooves. Glock tells us not to use cast bullets in them. It's the sort of riling that makes the difference.
Nice as always. Scared me at first wondered if you were feeling ok. Never seen you miss like that glad to see it was the Glock barrel. Lol. Keep up the great work.
What happened to Hickok45's original full-length video about the Glock 20? It made me want one, the way he was ringing that gong at 90 yards!
I just got my G20 gen5 with 200 grain hollows. But I would love those 230 grain hard cast loads.
This video makes me glad that I bought a Lone Wolf barrel for my Glock 23 whenever or if ever I decide to reload cast lead bullets for it. That Glock 20 standard barrel simply does not reflect good accuracy with those bullets. If I were to face a ball-eating boar or a a bear I think a good S &W 29 or Ruger Redhawk in .44 magnum would be a better choice. Better yet, a Ruger Super Redhawk in .454 Casull magnum
very nice demo !! first time buyer of glock 20, gen 4 10mm thanks for that help veteran with 1911 45
Is the ak47 not an acceptable bear gun?
You're a superb shot sir, and I respect your faith in the 10mm. Thank you and your's for taking the time to make these videos.
Hahahaha. Glock thumb. Great.
@AndreBeergog , My Lone Wolf barrel in 10mm seems to work well with the cast bullets I tried. Haven't shot an M&P yet.
Little rough with the short barrel. Could not get the long barrel in quick enough. :0)
Learned something about hard cast bullets and rifled barrels. Thank you.
Same
when I hear people say the 10mm doesn't have the power for putting down large game I just go youtube ted nugent shooting a cape buffalo and laugh at those who don't believe its a viable defense auto pistol in the woods
Mooglas Melson ...someone misinformed you
One of the best Glock 20C vids.
best 10mm, 1006 S&W
+ControlableInsanity , dito on the 1006
Jon Hlasney double ditto on the 1006. Had one in 93
Jon Hlasney yes and I have one
Steven Breck B.B.
YOU KNOW I WANT TO WISH HICKOK45 A HAPPY HOLIDAY AND NEW YEAR TO COME. I AM A 41 YEAR OLD SOLDIER IN THE US ARMY, I WANT TO TELL THE WORLD THAT HICKOK " ROCKS " I WISH YOU THE BEST IN LIFE, AND PRAY FOR YOU TO CONTINUE TO MAKE MORE VIDEOS FOR YOUR FANS. IN THIS TIME OF UNCERTAIN JOBS SECURITY. MANY PEOLE LIKE MYSELF WANT TO BUY OUR DREAM GUNS AND CANT AFFORD TO GET THEM, DUE TO LACK OF FINANCES.. BUT YOUR VIDEOS KEEPS US CONTENT, UNTIL WE CAN AFFORD THEM.. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME !!
this guy is awesome haha
he's 93 years old.
Bryan Calhoun Shut up no he isn’t.
No, not at all; it's just that they have rifling suitable for shooting cast bullets. I much prefer the stock barrel with jacketed bullets and would never carry an aftermarket barrel. It's strictly for range use. The only problem there is, if I wanted to carry this 230 grain cast bullet in bear country, I'd have to carry with the Lone Wolf barrel and just hope it's as reliable as stock barrels in terms of feeding.
that was awesome.! I think I am sold on that combo for bear defense.
You give new meaning to the term BLOCKBUSTER!!
those gong chimes were noticeably louder than usual.
thanks Hickok..
Just picked up my gen4 glock 20 yesterday. can't wait to try it out.
I had the same issue yesterday with my Glock 20 and I am glad you addressed that issue with the Lone Star Barrel. Keep up the awesome videos
@musicsmaker , I don't have an aftermarket barrel for the G29 and probably won't buy one. I mainly shoot just jacketed bullets, so it's not an issue.
Yes, I have some for my .45-70 and also in .44 Magnum. I suppose I should continue my Grizzly Bear theme and shoot some of those in my 3" .44! :-)
The standard length Lone Wolf barrel seems to do it just fine.
Thanks for the video hickok, it gives my disabled self something to do that really interest me. Gotta have a hobby ya know!!!
That field strip was mighty smooth
I'm one of those dopes who doesn't read his owner's manual. So when I bought my first Glock in 1992 I fed it my cast bullet reloads. It wasn't until years later that I found out that Glock does not recommend the practice. I stopped immediately after, and then I purchased an after market barrel from Lone Wolf. It shoots just fine with my cast bullets, but then so did the stock Glock barrel. Better safe than sorry I guess.
Lol he makes loading a magazine look so easy...I thought mine was broken at the range trying to load it the first time after watching Hickock videos
Get a Maglula Uplula easy loader. It makes things far simpler.
No, the stock barrel is fine and accurate; it's just that it's not designed for cast bullets.
I've watched most of your glock 20/29 videos and you've pretty much sold me on a 29sf as my first glock.
I absolutely love the glock 20 sf in 10mm. It is my winter carry, home defense pistol and my farm/ hunting pistol. That's what i love about the 10mm, it serves a variety of purposes.
@shitpickle1128 , It's recommended NOT to shoot anything but jacketed ammo in a stock Glock barrel. There are plenty of aftermarket barrels for shooting cast bullets, though.
@DrewCombest , I would not use an aftermarket barrel in any potentially dangerous situation. Some others might.
On the left is a cross-section of standard rifling and the right polygonal rifling. Glock has the polygonal. The polygonal doesn't stabilize bullets that aren't jacket (coated in copper or brass) but it's easier to clean and lasts longer. The bullet will tumble in flight much like a football that has been thrown but not in a spiral.
Hello Mr. Hickok45 , nice Glock Thumb , could not get better . I plan on having one myself , sooner than later . Great video`s , I enjoy them all , and I`m glad you enjoy making them .
@snoeplow, They are from Double Tap.
You can tell those are quick, the gong rings right away! Nice video, thanks!!
Hickok is my handgun idol I try to model my handgun purchases from my own experience,it never hurts to listen to the master
At first I couldn’t believe Hickok was missing, so good to see it was the hardware.
Yes, but it's not because one barrel is made "better" than another. The Glock barrels are just not designed for a lead bullet that is probably undersized and this heavy. As someone pointed out, the bullet is probably a little undersized in diameter - not sure. I got these kinds of tumbling with .44 Mag out of my Marlin rifle until I started buying larger diameter bullets to load.
Stock Glock barrels are polygonal - they have no "rifling" to "cut" into the lead, the bore itself is cut in a geometric pattern that allows for a "rifling" effect. Since there are no edges, the lead will seal flat against the surface - raising pressure of the gas (harder to push the lead down), and after a few rounds can create a layer of lead that will act like tar to the next bullets fired - building too much pressure in the breech.
Some aftermarket barrels have actual cut rifling for lead.
@andrelemalle, I check them in my G29; they did about the same time. Once a bullet is tumbling at just a few yards, there's really no "worse," I guess. It's like throwing rocks. :-)
@TheSmokeTube , Either the bullets are too small in diameter to make good contact or the twist is too slow to stabilize the bullets, I guess.
It is. The 10mm is the parent cartridge for the .40 SW. The 10mm is a shortened .30carbine case (shortened to .992 inches), and the .40 SW was shortened by another .142 inches. The 10mm is quite a bit more powerful than the .40SW.
The 200 grain FMJ ammo from Double Tap actually shows a higher energy figure. It's a higher velocity than these 230 grain cast bullets. They might actually be a better choice for bear country - not sure. Guess it would depend on how well the jacket held together. If it did, the penetration should be equal, at least.
@Outlaw409 , Either one should do fine. Depends on how large a gun you want and how well you handle recoil.
@hickok45 I also think it is probably the rifling of the stock barrel. I think the octagonal rifling can not get enough 'bite' on the lead bullet to stabilize it enough before it leaves the barrel. The Wolf barrel with the normal/standard rifling obviously can get the bullet to 'spin' and stabilize.
@arkangel8419 , YEah, I guess the 10mm is just a really hot .40, since it's the same calibe and even the same bullet essentially.