Paul and his wife testified how Karen was treated at the hospital by the Okeefe family (and everyone). The didn’t hug her, cry with her, speak to her, or allow her to see John at the Hospital. And THEN they are angry that she doesn’t want to grieve with them all day? Gee, I wonder if Karen got a vibe from them?
And the 1 thing Mrs Peggy O'Keefe said did Karen just left him alone at the party like John was a 13 year old boy not a 46 old men, i believe she never liked Karen
Gee, or maybe they got a vibe from her with all the evidence already found on and around John’s body. And Mrs. O’Keefe saying to Karen, “You left him there?” when Karen told John's mother that she left him at the bar, which was another lie.
@@claudia70031The dad loved Karen they went to church together! Was Mrs Okeefe jealous too and didnt like her? I believe Mr Okeefe still cares for her and he believes shes innocent! Hence why he wasn’t there daily and he left when a witness was saying bad stuff about Karen. Paul is a drunk and his mom they say! His mom took John to court to take kids from him it didnt work! I dont think they were as close as they try to show!
Think you have not heard Paul O'Keefe say He wanted to go over to Karen in hospital-HE blew her a kiss as She was being "sedated" at the request of her father.
@@claudia70031 OH Please. You are putting words into Mrs O'Keefe's mouth. Please inform yourself of the facts, Karen's SUV recorded her backing up and hitting him. HER SUV cannot lie. IT just records what she is doing when she is driving.
Nothing but compassion for him…but he is blinded by hatred for her. I understand it. But him saying “she backed over him”….where. is. the. blood…. There is NO credible evidence to support the theory she killed him. And that arm was absolutely bitten by a dog. How can so much be so overlooked…unreal.
How do you get rammed by a Lexus and not have a bruise anywhere except your face? How did none of the 300 people walking all night long, past the area where he was found, see him out there? Why was there snow under his body? It's just so maddening. Lawyer Lee said yesterday that she thinks the prosecution didn't prove their case, but that KR probably did it. I was gobsmacked.
I agree. It's mind boggling. Watching his interview I'm thinking did he just ignore the evidence or the lack of evidence the prosecution had. I'm Sure Karen was asking herself that night, could she of hit him. I would of. But to say Karen hit JO in rage and they were fighting, that's exactly what Lally said. No one was there and can't know what their last words were.
He needs to realize that as of right now it's a 50-50 chance so he needs to start thinking it could've been the Mcalberts and he was in court everyday and he still feels this way has me MINDBLOWN!!!!
@@horrormoviereactionsA lot of lawyers are bootlicking “officers of the court” and will never admit that cops and fellow officers of the court could be corrupt.
This interview really aggravated me. He’s basing his conclusion on feelings and emotions and has allowed Jenn McCabe and o manipulate his perspective. The fact that he said “Proctor has had his life turned upside down because of this” as if he’s blaming Karen for that - that just shocked me!! He literally said “no one was ever supposed to see those text messages” so somehow he’s a victim because the FBI got involved???? He’s saying “the FBI only got cherry picked evidence from the defense” when in reality the FBI got the evidence that the police and commonwealth collected!!! They asked the reconstructionist to put the exact theory that Lally claims happened to the test, which is exactly what they did!! Their findings were VERY clear - John DID NOT get hit by Karen’s car! Why doesn’t he do an interview without “cherry picking” the questions?!?! I’d love to hear what he has to say about the evidence that came in due to the FBI investigation. Honestly, Paul made it seem like even the FBI was somehow siding with Karen all because she has the “showboat defense attorney”. Maybe he should really listen to the people of canton. He seems to think they are supporting Karen just because Aiden Kearny made a big deal about things. The reality is Karen has the supporters she has because the people from that area are sick and tired of the dirty and corrupt cops and what they get away with. Like most of them say “Karen could be any one of us”. Her supporters are there because she is FINALLY exposing the corruption. There’s finally a spotlight on it and the dirty cops may actually have to FINALLY suffer some consequences!!! It really disgusts me that the McAlberts have been able to manipulate him and his mother and that they can’t see what REALLY happened. He said he reached out to Levy, I hope he gets back to Paul and tells him the TRUTH. It’s clear Paul has blinders on - the fact that he said the FBI should have never been involved, Josh Levy should have nothing to do with this case……the O’Keefe’s should be OUTRAGED at Proctor and everyone else who dropped the ball on the investigation of his brothers murder. The sloppy way they handled everything for a “brother in blue” is a disgrace. The fact that Paul doesn’t seem to see an issue with any of that, it speaks volumes to me.
Small note, I don't think the FBI reconstructionists were hired to evaluate Lally/Trooper Paul's theory. I think they were hired as a control group, so to speak, to show what a proper attempt at reconstruction would look like. That way there would be no bias from them knowing that the FBI was investigating a particular thing. The reason I believe this is because they weren't given a theory, they were only given evidence, and they were allowed to go down the "glass thrown at tail light" route despite it not having much relevance (as far as I can see).
Just because he’s related to the victim doesn’t mean he’s acting in good faith. I guarantee he knows dang well that KR had nothing to do with his brother’s passing. He’s just a typical bootlicker doing what he does best - bootlicking.
Honestly, if it were my family member, I would be so pissed if their investigation had been handled this way. He should be livid about how this was investigated!
Def agree. You should want the truth. Not just any resolution that fits cause you need to feel “justice” done. I know it is incredibly hard but that’s what needs to happen for real justice.
He won’t and he never will badmouth the police because his brother was a Boston cop for 16 years this man believes he’s supporting the thin blue line and his close friends that he and John grew up with but in truth Karen was framed by the McCabes in the Alberts via proctor and bukkake or whatever his name is He simply could not and cannot accept the idea that these people who supposedly love him and loved John and their family would kill John purposely or not and then have Other police officers tamper with evidence to frame someone. He knows that John would never do something like that so he can’t believe that any other cops would either because we’re all trained from the time we’re babies the cops are the good guys here to protect and serve and John O’Keefe was😢
@shelceegraves. I agree. Unfortunately the o’keefes are projecting guilt onto Karen because they can’t let themselves believe that the mcalberts as other “police” families could have killed him.
Saying Proctor is a victim is laughable.. if Proctor said those disgusting comments about your wife or mother you would feel differently. The O’Keefe family has definitely seen more tragedy than most families and it is heartbreaking. I watched every second of the trial with an open mind and being through family tragedies I know the pain. I honestly don’t think anyone stays sober long enough in Canton to think straight and see the actual evidence… they should take a vacation away from Canton get away from the corrupt people feeding lies and keeping them close… get out and get a new perspective. And one more thing … people in glass house shouldn’t throw stones Paul.. especially with your track record. Justice for Officer John O’Keefe🙏💙.
You can be sure that Paul O'Keefe and his wife wife have laughed many times over the comments about Karen and if they were in that same chat group they would have liked that comment made by Proctor. They hated Karen waaaaaay before John died.
@@thendisnear-zz5gl I am thinking that is what is awaiting some corrupt police officers and possibly court official for the Commonwealth, but not KR, not based on what I saw during the trial.
Having been in a fatal car crash myself, I was severely injured and the father of my two children was killed on impact due to blunt force trauma. Our babies were 5 years and 14 months old at the time . The road has been long and difficult ,listening to this is heartbreaking 💔 This trial has brought so much to the surface for me ,including the mixed emotions our family faced . Trauma is real, but facts are facts! As hard as it is to believe the truth of what actually happened to OJO ,especially while grieving, it is what will help this family start to heal . Blaming Karen Read is the easy way out, anger is an easier emotion (IMO)! My heart and prayers are with the O'Keefe family but, Karen Read is innocent. Shame on Jen McCabe ,the McAlbet's, and the corrupt MSP! This should never, ever happen again, to anyone! Paul needs to know his fight for truth and justice for his brother shouldn't exclude the facts ,and evidence, no matter how much it hurts 💔 Justice for Officer John O'Keefe, may he rest in peace 🕊️
Before even listening to Paul O'Keefe's interview, I gotta say he didn't seem to be watching the trial he attended. He was staring down Karen the whole time and showed no interest in defense's questions and witnesses. Does he even know any of the evidence?
Sir, I understand you are hurt. You are angry. You are looking for someone to blame. I did not know ANYTHING about this trial. I was as close to a juror as I could be. I saw things plenty clearly. Don't insult my intelligence claiming I didn't. I truly don't know what happened that night, but there was far too much about this trial that made me say "THAT'S WEIRD" for me to conclude anything but reasonable doubt.
I agree-my opinion as well. I also only saw one podcast outlining the case several months ago and was predisposed to her being guilty-based off how the story was reported and what the police said they had as evidence. So, his claims are just so off base.
My experience was the opposite. I didn’t know anything about the case before but I can’t see how anyone can NOT see how Karen Read is innocent. She’s clearly guilty given the evidence.
I watched the entire trial here from Portugal, where I just saw this interview. It baffles me how this family refuses to understand what was shown to them, and to us, during the circus that was the trial. They don't have to believe in a conspiracy, but they could and should look at the evidence. They could think 'if it wasn't her, who was it?' and focus on finding an answer to what really matters.
@imblfs ; I too watched the entire trial. Plus a year or more of pre trial footage. Including her million dollar pr campaign. If KR saying the might have hit him but it was an accident, her DAD getting on TV & saying “ Karen thought she hit something but didn’t know what it was “. So many things not shown in trial. Why would ten different govt’ organizations all gang up and conspire on some rich white lady ?! They did not, she hit him, and that’s the only thing that makes sense. Just lk OJ paid millions to murder 2 ppl and get away with it, so too will KR get away with it. NOT bc she’s innocent, she’s clearly guilty of hitting him. Deliberate homicide I don’t think that was proven. But what was proven was she hit him and then immediately covered it up instead of getting him help. Point proven by her ERASING 13 ring videos in front of his niece and nephew!
A friend of mine died earlier this year after malpractice of doctors, and his family blamed his girlfriend. There was nothing she could have done, it was 100% the doctor's fault for not treating him properly and sending him home to die, and the family still blames the girlfriend for it. Sometimes the family is just looking for someone to pin the blame on because they're in so much pain.
I was in a horrible accident in high school with my boyfriend. Even though the accident was an accident my boyfriends family treated me like it was my fault or intentional. We got hit entering the highway by a semi. His family was my only family all of highschool. They made me feel like an outsider at the hospital. I can 100% see where she would feel like she has to walk away from the family.
I watched the interview with John O’Keefe’s brother. I understand his pain. It must be excruciating. I also understand he believes he has the ability to judge guilt by how he feels about a person and his interpretation of their behavior. Thankfully our justice system requires more than feelings to take away someone’s freedom for the rest of their life. If factual information doesn’t matter to him and to his family, then there is no path to peace for them. If Mr. Lally, the police officers, the Albert and McCabe families, and state troopers also believe facts don’t matter then that explains a lot.
What I hate is his hypocrisy. Karen was THE BEST PERSON in the world when she was bailing you out of Jail Paul, right!? For your DUI that injured someone. I hate that she helped this family with all her heart and they turn on her because of fake evidences and lies. (Awful investigation of Proctor) 🤦
Yes and she was taking good care of the kids for 2 yes. Paul didn't help him or his parents. And Brain Alberts didn't even come out of the house to see if he could help
Regarding Paul's comment about KR's behavior at the house and LYK's comment about " a vibe," I think that KR isn't a warm and fuzzy person; she didn't grieve the way Paul thought she should. Additionally, she was likely still in shock. My family is stoic, we don't cry in public; my mom was literally trembling at my dad's funeral but she didn't cry. Friend is Italian and she wails. Doesn't mean one of us isn't grieving
I was so confused because on his way out of the courtroom I swear to Christ he was giving her a “ good job, good to see you , talk soon” type of interaction…he didn’t look upset, Karen didn’t look upset. They weren’t perfect…Karen has a lot of insecurity issues, some anger issues. We don’t know anything about her childhood or what she’s been through she could have some mental health things that trigger these very strong reactions. I understand it’s not easy to hear the voicemails, the flirty texts but that doesn’t give you the right to pretend she isn’t being set up for MURDER. Ffs
Just think what our justice system would be like if people were convicted because someone has a “feeling” about what happened. He has no objectivity, unfortunately.
Exactly. It's not just a Hypothetical thought experiment that's how things operated for most of human history so any call to return to that kind of thinking is outrageous and needs to be refuted thoroughly
People are wrongly convicted everyday with way more reasonable doubt than this shit. He's not saying to convict just because they have a gut feeling, but if she was acting fucked up afterwards then that means a great deal you know people's habits and demeanor when your close to them.
Medical experts stated injuries were not consistent with being hit by a vehicle, two accident reconstruction experts (with PHDs, hired by FBI/DOJ ) also stated the same. “You can't deny the science and the physics.” Unfortunately, people still do....Paul must not have listened.
@BlackIrishBlnde6951 ; And those NOT paid for by the defense said he could have been hit and flew back cracking his head on the pavement. Ignore all the evidence you don’t like, and cite only what backs your narrative.
@@jill2066 The jury decided who and what they believe. If YOU choose to believe that she was not driving drunk and that everyone in the city of Canton and beyond are all liars except for her good for you!
@@lucyduncan6236 ; Ummm I don’t know who you are, or why the hell you are yelling at me, but I have said nothing about K. R. bring innocent. I think she’s guilty as sin and I think she will walk, being as innocent as OJ, or Casey Anthony. I have no clue what you are responding to, with MY name, but “KR being innocent “ has never been typed by MY hand:-/
I HIT him! Did I hit him? Dad, I think I hit something! JOHN, I HATE YOU! Let me out of here and runs to where she left John to die in the cold the night before. GUILTY! Some fine intelligent jurors see past all the malarkey of an absurd frame up story.
@@Elsley12she hit his truck in the am. Then was gaslight into believing she hit John. Use ur head. Ur beliefs r in the mcabes n Albert’s. So nine people lie and do shady shit n get rid of phones but u take two sentences from someone else and that holds more weight to u?
@@Elsley12 you can certainly choose to refuse to believe the science but you can never make it go away. Hopefully you never find yourself in her situation, it could’ve been anyone. You would absolutely believe the scientifically factual information. No accident = no crime by Karen.
It’s sad that he’s against the FBI being involved. Your brother was killed and you don’t want the FBI looking into it???? I would want anyone that could possible help to be involved.
Yeahh it’s this for me. Even if I believed that chloe wasn’t there and no dog was involved to make noise, why didn’t they go outside when Jen McCabe woke them up? If I knew ANYBODY was deceased on my lawn, especially someone I KNEW, I would make myself readily available for anything i could do to help out. How much did they really care for his brother if they weren’t even ready to step foot outside? How can Paul justify that in his mind?
Imo, the McAlberts are keeping a close eye on the Okeefes to make sure they aren’t talking to the Feds and getting the real deal. They are dirty. Imo, they beat up John for whatever reason and threw him out on the snow thinking he would survive it and be so fearful, he would not speak of it ever again. Unfortunately for them, it went too far and he died on their yard due to a brain bleed. I see this happening. Who wouldn’t go check what was happening right in your front yard?
I wish Jackson would have mentioned how just after John's body was placed on the lawn, Jennifer McCabe played the song 'It's Raining Men'. She is a psychopath with a sick sense of humour.
i think. jackson is amazing..the few words on the steps were very classy and respectful of john okeefes . he is a top notch lawyer and deserving of praise .
Let’s say she did it! Why did they get rid of the dog? Why did they get rid of their phones? Why did they sell their house? Why didn’t they come out of their house at any point when all this was going on? Why did the prosecutors present the car in the garage backwards? It’s not logical. Where are the bruises on his lower body?
So their actions mean guilt but hers don't? I didn't go to a friend's funeral, I sold my house around the same time but first redid my floors... does that mean I murdered my friend?
@@lisamcclendon2720 Did your friend die outside your house? Did your friend have wounds that could be attributed to a pet you owned and then rehomed? This is a false equivalence.
@@lisamcclendon2720 oh, and the phones....and Colin Albert's knuckles... and Jen McCabe's 2.27am google search....and Brian Albert not coming out of his house.....so YES!!!
I guess she turned into a trained police dog and shredded his arm like that and also puncture wounds top and bottom teeth on the elbow area. Comeon. If she’d hit him with the car I believe she would have freaked out ON THE SPOT and everyone would have known. Higgins, Brian Albert, Collin Albert, and I want to know if Brian’s daughter called her bf to come get her in order to get Chloe (the dog) out of the house which is why she never barked and woke the Albert’s the next morning.
@@nolo3 ......"OK"?....even if you think she killed him, you shouldn't let the cops shitty investigation off the hook. Would you want them to be collecting the bodily remains of your loved ones in a shopping bag and red solo cups freshmen play beer pong with? These keystone cops should be fired, I wouldn't want them investigating anything.
Sad but true. Proctor never considered investigating any other possible lines of questioning besides Karen. She was victimised by the lead investigator who did not conduct a proper, procedurally correct investigation. She has an excellent case for damages.
I can’t believe Paul O’Keefe expressed sympathy for Proctor, defended him even, especially because Proctor was probably one of the biggest reasons for the mistrial.
I honestly think that his family doesn't care what Proctor said because they were likely saying the same things or worse about her. If they allow themselves to realize that what Proctor did was wrong then they have to acknowledge that they themselves are wrong. The speed with which they turned on KR and sticking with that despite everything that came out at trial . . . That kind of makes me think they were talking about her like this long before John died.
They are hurt, angry, and grieving. KR is the only person they have to blame for it, and perhaps they can’t accept that JOK’s brothers in blue didn’t care enough to investigate his death properly, throughly, and with integrity.
The fact that he still supports them, with how they destroyed all the evidence, blows my mind. If it was my friends, I would be so mad, If I was that secure she did it, I would be blaming them all because now we don’t have evidence. He is delusional and I feel is so much gaslight from that clan. Still, he is an adult and is time to start looking for healthy ways to start healing.
@@JamieArcangelIt may be controversial for me to say this - but I think a lot of the "brothers in blue" thing is romanticisation. And we see that here. This is an exceptional example, of course.
She's not the only person they have to blame, though. It's known to many, and it's out there who really did it. 👉🏼 You can't come to the decision that Karen is guilty based on the evidence - only based on bias. Lally & the DA's remarks aren't evidence. They're lies. The _evidence_ proves Karen Read is _innocent!_ The suspicious behavior of the McAlberts, their collusion in group texts & during interviews w/ police, their inconsistent testimony, their story changing over time about Karen's statements and Colin being at the house, their odd behavior the day of John's death, the excessive "butt-dials," the dog bite/scratch marks, and Jen McCabe's 2:27am search prove they were responsible for the crime & the cover-up! 💯
@@carynmaher5406 yes this interview didn’t help him or his cause… hopefully he feels better internally but his reasons were not reasons for anyone to be arrested or hold up in court. It was just him bitching. Which he has the right to do.
Sad thing is he's protecting the very people who kiIIed him... _because he doesn't like her._ Smart man! 🙄🙄 Honestly, I don't like her at all...she gives me the ick, BUT I don't think she's guilty.
@@Sis1426my only problem is that they are asking to jail someone without any real evidence. Their feelings about it are valid but when they try to Shame or punish someone without actual proof it becomes evil. That’s why people harass them, because we KNEW they were willing to believe a lie early on and ditch Karen’s whole life on a feeling. They are witch hunters. That is evil and everyone with a brain knows Karen didn’t hit him and all the other evidence all says she doesn’t do it. All of the quality non biased and objective facts all greatly support Karen. Yet all the other witnesses literally always selectively forgot anything that could benefit Karen or anything, it’s almost like they weren’t being honest and weren’t even willing to accept any fact even if true if it makes her look less guilty. But I do disagree with lawyer you know on this, strongly. Feelings are one thing but if they had the choice they would take an innocent persons life without giving them a fair chance and fair evidence. The are absolutely wrong regardless even if Karen did it because they didnt give her a fair trial. She physically couldn’t have done it and the evidence was definitive and all encompassing by any physical and mechanical facts. It wasn’t possible in any regular physics world and it was proven through basic hard laws of physics. Witch hunters deserve to suffer as they would do upon someone innocent. It is more evil to put one innocent person in jail than ten guilty people run free. We all see the undeniable facts and we all empathize with Karen. Even if she did it somehow she didn’t get a fair trial it was all biased. They aren’t giving her a fair chance now either
When I saw Brian Albert, Jen McCabe and Colin Albert sitting with the family at the end of this trial, made me nauseous....Brian Albert NEVER went out of his home when Paul's brother was lying out in his lawn...this is beyond believable
That was set up by Lally and approved by the Judge to attempt to intimidate the Jury or at the least influence them by their presence. Jen McCabe + Lally set it up. They were photographed smoking cigs talking outside the courthouse. She has her little hooks in everyone.
Paul did his family no favors with this interview. He came off like the 'see no evil monkeys'. I had a hard time with my lack of empathy for the family until this interview. If they are willing to throw logic and evidence out the window to convict an innocent woman, they deserve no empathy.
He has every reason to believe what he believes. The FBI and a Federal Grand Jury cleared everyone from any involvement with JO's passing, a frame job and conspiracy. Then we have KR admitting to it at the time and during her arraignment.
No neighbors were interviewed? I would think everyone would hear wheels screeching in reverse at 24 mph. I am amazed at how much ppl are willing to overlook.
They won't come forward because they don't want to go to prison. So they ripped up their basement, sold the house, got rid of their phones, etc. The sad thing to me is that *the O'Keefe's are protecting the very people who actually kiIIed him...all because **_they don't like her._* Brilliant thinking! If you loved your brother/son...then fight for a real investigation.
They dont support the defenses theory... They literally agree with all of the prosecutions experts and the cell phone data experts etc. The accident reconstructionist didnt have everything at the time they made this opinion...
@@calmingwavesxARCCA said on the stand “the additional information I became aware of doesn’t change my opinion. You can’t deny the physics and the science” did you watch the trial at all?
@@calmingwavesxthat's completely false. If that was true, why didn't the Commonwealth use the FBI experts to prove their case? If they aligned with the CW theory, as you said, don't you think it would make a whole lot of sense for them to call them, and not the defense?
This man paralysed an innocent person by hitting them at 24mph. And he thinks that Karen Read in a fit of rage reversed into John, leaving no physical evidence on the body? He of all people should realise that is impossible. And to top it off Karen was the one who bailed him out a few months before this happened. Where was his family then? The family used her all of them. Disgusting!!!! THE EVIDENCE DOES NOT SHOW HE WAS HIT BY A CAR!!!!!
Saying that the FBI never should have gotten Proctors cell phone is insane. Blaming the Massachusetts Attorney Joshua Levy for ethically carrying out his job is insane
1. Her boyfriend died. Up all night. Probably on meds. Mom was blaming her for leaving him. Why stay? 2. Next day cops gaslighting her saying they have video of her hitting him! 3. Once they regrouped, realized what they were doing to her. Aedan did not start speaking about this case until almost year later. Dont insult us saying we cant think for ourselves!.
@@GhostASMR225 it's very sad, but his reasoning is clouded by grief. He says Jen McCabe, the Alberts etc are long time family friends so they couldn't have killed her. But in intentional unalivings, it's VASTLY more likely to be friends or family that did it than someone you barely know.
@@silikon2 I agree! He also knew his brother gf! He acts like he didnt. She took care of the kids as well. It shocks me to think he doesnt know her better.
She initially did believe that she may have hit John because Jen McCabe of course saw the crack tail light it’s on video where she looked at it and then all the sudden that became what happened Karen ran in to Jean so when Karen initially was represented Mr. Genetti said it was a tragic accident because that is truly what Karen believed at that time but as the evidence began to come out and the injuries were not consistent with a vehicle accident the tail light was observed not broken but only Cracked on a video that was taken on her way to the Albert home that morning and that video mysteriously disappeared the idea that 47 pieces of bright red tail light took over three weeks to be “recovered“ as they revealed themselves is ludicrous. The fact that there was no. Crime scene tape no grid search no home search all of the ring cameras were deleted or had gaps in one way or another and lastly if Karen really wanted to kill John O’Keefe would she do it on a cops lawn? I highly doubt it
I'm sorry for his family but his reasons why he thinks she hurt JO is way off base. That is so far from evidence it's almost laughable. The prosecutors used this family to protect the Alberts. Disgusting.
Paul saying Karen would turn and smirk at him and yet we saw him leaning in and staring her down many times at the start of the trial. He got condemned for doing it and it sounds like this is his defense, like it never happened!!
I get the feeling he was pretty nasty to her when she came to the house to see the kids and get her things. We don't know what they said to her or how they made her feel. Just watching his behavior in court, I would have cut ties with his family, too.
He's a lying PoS. I wish Jackson would have mentioned how just after John's body was placed on the lawn, Jennifer McCabe played the song 'It's Raining Men'. She is a psychopath with a sick sense of humour.
If my brother (also a LEO) was killed & his GF, with him the night before, walked into his house, where my family was gathered … I’d BEG her for answers !! I’d welcome her family in, I’d 1st extend EVERY courtesy hoping for cooperation. Something is just OFF.
Not necessarily. She doesn't seem like a nice person. Family knew the relationship was over. In the interview I saw, she seemed very contemptuous and jealous of him. She didn't seem sad at all or mention missing him or anything. She doesn't seem upset that he's dead. Only that she might get caught.
@@SDSueKSadly Paul O’Keefe sounded more like he is hell bent for revenge than justice for his brother. It also appears that he perjured himself when he testified that he liked Karen and thought she was good for John. If he can go from that testimony to this interview after sitting through 30 days of this trial, it’s not possible that he ever felt that way about her.
When he started defending Proctor I lost any empathy I had for him. It is because of Proctor that even if Karen did it she will go free. And Proctor never even looked for anyone else. Does he even know how incredibly ignorant he sounds?
5 minutes into that news interview and I could tell that he was basically trying to convince the public that she was guilty before the next jury pool was picked for the follow-up court case
i suspect we'll be getting many more of these interviews to try to turn public support against Karen. Not sure how successful it will be given what we saw at trial, but hey there's still seem to be people stumping for Amber Heard so it could work. This is honestly one of the reasons why i'm concerned for the re-trial, it will be even more of a circus.
@@neotheseattledj he had to do the interview after publically threatening her in the courtroom. He didn't have to lie. You watch any day of the trial and that man is death staring Karen the whole time. His buddy got kicked out of the courthouse for body checking Karen in the hall.
I don't think so,, you would be upset if someone killed your bro. This guy seems very sincere and doesn't seem like a tit for tat kind of guy. Or they would have bashed her from the gate! If she had credibility with that family at all, they would have believed her and they know her demeanor and if she was out of context the next day, that means something!
When did Karen go from a melodramatic frantic " I did it!" To a calky bitch. Her initial response and statements were the truth scared as shit! She said she did it, now why would she say differnt?
@@roostercogburn6469 Lets ask Paul. His DUI was right before John died. He trashed his vehicle at 24 mph and permanently paralyzed someone. He knows Karen didn't run over John. But she did bail his ass out of jail.
In honor of John O'Keef, I believe John would want to know the truth, evidence and justice (whatever happened to him) for him or any other victim. He wouldn't anyone falsely accused, unfairly protected or if it was all accidental, John would want the truth.
I know as a woman if my boyfriend died and i had no ties, no kids and he died and the family wouldn't let me see him in the hospital. I wouldn't think they would want ne around forever??????!!!!!!!
@@BleuKrewe she wasn’t on “suicide hold” . It’s not called that anyway. She was never put on suicide watch and she was never turned away from being there. WHERE do you nutcases get this crap?!
How can he not have hate for his brothers supposed brother in blue not even bothering to come outside the whole time even when he is trained in first aid? I do not get it.
@@mistyevans8160 That is NOT true. That is a lie that keeps spreading just like all the other lies. If people started separating the lies from the truth, the truth would win and there wouldn't have to be a second trial.
He cannot see any wrong in the police because his brother was police and was a good man and therefore he’s been brainwashed into believing that all police are good men and women when in fact they are not so he will never criticize the police even if it is proven again by independent witnesses that John was beaten to death in that home or nearly to death and then left to die outside. Jen McCabe and her Google search make absolutely no sense not only at 2:27 AM but at any time because why on earth when you see a man who is beaten and bloody and covered in vomit with a goose egg on the front of his head to black eyes and a broken nose why would you question whether or not hypothermia caused his death? You wouldn’t Karen wouldn’t because she would’ve had no idea how long John had been outside except for the fact that Jen McCabe lied to her and told her John never came in the house. We know that’s a lie because John’s phone was on his person and magically shows him taking the exact Number of steps to enter the Albert home and descend into the basement the exact number of steps that it took him to pirouette across the lawn. This man is traumatized and he has never considered that a cop would not be like his cop his brother Johnny was a good cop and a good man and so is Paul but he has been lied to and he’s confused and it’s terribly sad for everyone involved😢
Exactly. If this goes to trial again it is a waste of tax payer money. The DA should swallow its pride and admit that the investigation was inadequate and they lack the evidence required to secure a conviction. There is no more evidence for them to get. While the FBI can probably release more evidence against possible third party culprit(s). So much more phone data to come out from the Alberts, Higgins and Julie Nagel.
My partner is also the type to say “I’ll take the kids, I’ll take their friends and the homeless refugee as well” but will do no dishes, no laundry, no parenting. Just saying he doesn’t need have been a saint nor does karen a sweet heart- this come down to evidence,, and the evidence says he wasn’t hit by a car. The unfairness is no real investigation was done to get real justice
Well said. Perspective is everything until you hear the evidence. The evidence here was mishandled and misinterpreted woefully. John and his family and the people of Canton deserve so much better than this.
I’ve said the exact same thing, yes he died tragically, that doesn’t mean he was a saint. Karen also took on a parenting role of children not even related to her. She homeschooled them during lockdown, and even with my own kids, who I adore more than life itself, that was a horrendously tough time.
And why doesn’t this family recognize that Karen was raising 2 teenagers that weren’t hers (or her bfs) and that John wasn’t an angel to her? That is terrible that she gets no credit! And the kids are hearing their family bad mouth her! They are probably so confused! So sad! She is the only mom they know!
She called those innocent children his effing kids. Not the Motherly type. I’m sure the kids would tell you what type of person she is. Like they say “out of the mouths of babes”
@kel-e1488 ; KR is the only mother they knew?! WTH are you talking about?! She was in their lives for less than two years. He knew her way before they were born. She didn’t give a crap about the kids and basically said so in as many ways as she possibly could have. Guess you didn’t watch the trial..?
@@shonta He didn’t feel so bad when he almost killed someone while driving drunk, and Karen paid his bail. I’m losing sympathy for this guy and I hate feeling like that.
He death stared at her the entire trial. If looks could kill she’d be dead. He closed his brain off from the truth. He could hear nothing, just death staring at Karen. It’s Disgusting.
@@barbaramay1866 every single person in that courtroom laughed at some point. She is innocent. The whole case was laughable. A ridiculous waste of taxpayer dollars. They chose Karen and plowed forward regardless of the facts.
IKR. If he had a minute alone with her I think he’d have his hands around her neck before he could even try to stop himself. And this is why we don’t let families of victims be jury, judge and executioner. Heightened emotions lead to irrational reactions. No way the defences case doesn’t get stronger every trial as they dig deeper into phone records of others around that night. While the prosecutions case doesn’t have any more evidence to find. Except maybe text messages between KR and her dad
"What if you found out that it really wasn't Karen? What if you found out that the cops who have put themselves so close to you were actually the people who murdered your brother?"
I wish she had asked him, "What evidence would you need to see in order to change your view on KR's guilt?" Because I am wondering if anything would cause him to change his judgement.
@@theshermanclan If the laws of physics don't change peoples' minds, and the fact that the medical examiners had doubt (!!!) about his cause of death don't suggest reasonable doubt, none of these people are ever going to believe anything other than the fairy tales they tell themselves are the truth.
It's so sad how misguided this man is, and it's not just sad for Karen Read who is being robbed of the best years of her life. Grief has turned this family into perpetrators. Once they realise this, they will be even more heartbroken.
There's nothing that Paul can say thats going to change my mind on if Karen did it. The Feds said that John's injuries were not from being hit by a car and the damages to Karen's car were not from hitting John. The main people did in fact lie. He IS hanging out with the people who are likely the ones who murdered his brother. I feel bad for them but they don't want the truth. They want Karen to be the one who did it and goes to jail while the real killers go free and hug Paul O'Keefe. I doubt this case will be taken to court again. I went into this blind. I had no opinion on anything because I hadn't heard of the case before trial day 1. I was ready to watch her be guilty. That changed to a solid not guilty. Kerry also said it wasn’t Karen's idea to go to 34f it was Jennifer McCabe's idea to go there. Jennifer demanded that they go there. That 2:27am Google search.. why if she didn't know. I've never said anything bad about any of these people but something happened in that house or at that house and every step they took makes them look guilty. He is absolutely ignoring the FBI experts because of his anger and not wanting to believe that his friends killed his brother, it's easier to pin it on the girl, the outsider. The public supports the innocent! If he doesn't like it that's too damn bad. The public was ready to hang her so to speak. Now we know the facts, the science, and we understand physics. Apparently, Paul doesn't.
This blows my mind. They really do have tunnel vision. They are going after the wrong person when the real culprits were in that house. Dude look at the evidence. Your brother was not hit by a car.
While I have empathy for Paul, I saw the evidence presented and disagree. Then he claims Karen smirked throughout the trial at him, maybe, I wasn't there. But the cameras were on her more than the witnesses and I never saw that. Then trying to play off the FKR people outside were directing vitriol at him and his family I find disingenuous. Unless he is claiming the Albert's as his family. Then doesn't recognize that the statement he made to Ms. Reed could very well be taken as a threatening statement is hypocritical at the very least. So only he and his mother are victims? FKR movement is ALL about justice for John O'Keefe!
Smirking doesn't mean you're guilty. If you're innocent, you might feel attacked. You might feel the urge to get them back. A smirky smile might make you feel better.
I WOULD be compassionate. But guess what? He really DID HIT someone with his car at 24 mph when HE WAS DRUNK. And PARALYZED THEM FOR LIFE. Who bailed him out? Why, KAREN OF COURSE
@@barbaramay1866if you’re talking about Paul hitting someone while drunk, it’s 100% true. I’ve seen the police report. The other person sustained significant injuries.
I wonder what “vibe” Karen got from the O’Keefs that morning causing her to say ,” you’ll never see me again “. Perhaps they weren’t making her feel comfortable to be there!
Multiple family members testified that Peggy O'Keefe blamed John's death on Karen for not attending the party with him to her face in the hospital. You don't have to guess. They openly admitted to making her uncomfortable.
Note the obvious contradiction in his reasoning: Karen getting away from these people fast proves she did it... and her wanting the tiny courtroom so she would be really close to them proves she did it.
"Proctor's phone shouldn't have been taken." Well HE SHOULDN'T have illegally seized Karen's phone. Which contained priviliged attorney/client communication. Ughhhh! I can't with this guy!!
The media stands right behind Paul Okeefe and facing Karen. Funny how nobody ever caught her doing this. He lied. He stated " I'm not f'ing done with you yet". He is lauding Proctor a victim which shows you what type of person he is. Using your brother's death to gain sympathy in order to push lies is gross. John had good friends. Very close friendships with a great group of guys. None of John's friends support the okeefes. They want justice for their friend and they know Karen didn't do this. They are supporting Karen's side. So, yes his circle got very small. Another point is the GJ which heard cherrypicked evidence and lies from the witnesses in that house who murdered John. Paul's upset that the FBI wanted justice for his brother and launched an investigation which found that John wasn't hit by a car. It's not an opinion. It's scientifically proven with physics and mathematical equations. Why isn't paul demanding to know the subjects of the 2 male DNA profiles found on his brothers pants? I'm sorry they are using John's death to spread lies and get sympathy. I know this family and John was the only good human. Paul Okeefe drove drunk and crashed into a man paralyzing him. This happened not even a year before John's death. He couldn't afford his bail and had to ask Karen. It has been told that Karen put all the kids money in trusts so that the family could not touch it and they are pissed she won't change that.
Wow! Where did you hear about the two make DNA profiles on John O'Keefe's pants?!? I missed that! Also where did you hear about KR helping Paul with bail money?
20 min into the video and so far the journalist hasn't asked a single probing question. She is just there as a mouthpiece to further the narrative of JO's family.
@@crippledalien5937 what outlets are stumping for karen? the legacy media outlets seem more in-line with the CW. The only really pro outlets I see are youtube channels and these get written off by media outlets as fringe supporters/crazy conspiracy theorists
Paul’s words are empty. Nothing to back up what he says. No evidence, just like the CW. He feels bad for Proctor and Colin?!?! I had no respect for him prior to this interview, I think less of him now.
John’s mom was yelling at Karen at the hospital WHY DID U LEAVE HIM THERE!! And John’s dad said that’s enough Peggy the girl gas already been Thur enough
Maybe she acted “weird” that morning because she felt responsible in terms of leaving him that night, in the sense of “if I hadn’t dropped him off, he would have been fine”
Right - a loved one of mine passed away just before going into the hospital. Like days before. He was refusing to go in any earlier because he hated hospitals. But he was confused and it was obvious he was very unwell. We just had no idea how badly. We thought there was no harm in allowing him to wait, and not stress him further. I still feel guilt and responsibility years on for not pushing harder. Of course, objectively it is not my fault. In retrospect it was obvious to see how bad things were. But at the time, it truly seemed that we would be able to get him into hospital and be treated. I'm sorry for the rambling answer. My point is, even if it isn't rational at all, it is totally possible to feel responsible even if you absolutely are not.
One thing you learn about death is everyone grieves in different ways. Karen's relationship with john had been strained for a while and she was probably going to leave him soon anyways, his untimely death likely accelerated the death of their relationship. Her desire to distance herself from the family and john was likely already well established before the death. Voicing that desire might have been poor timing but again grief affects everyone differently. he see's her desire to leave as a sign she was running but it could be that she just wanted to be alone to grieve. They're not her family, they're his, so she may not have wanted to grieve with them. Who knows how they were going to grieve with her there, they might have taken their feelings out on her. As he clearly stated he suspected her right away without any evidence.
Yes hungover & regretting her texts & judgement Also sounds like she was attacked by his mother immediately. Felt unwelcome in what had been a home with John so no John means no family connection.
I wish Jackson would have mentioned how just after John's body was placed on the lawn, Jennifer McCabe played the song 'It's Raining Men'. She is a psychopath with a sick sense of humour.
Two grand juries and witnesses gave different testimony in those hearings than they gave at trial, particularly Jen McCabe, Brian Albert, Higgins and Proctor.
If the victims of tragedy decided who was guilty a lot of innocent people would go to prison really quickly. This bias is EXACTLY why we need a justice system.
As usual ignoring what the man actually said. Unlike you and the rest of the cult, he knows the people involved including Read. He has actually met them and knows their character. None of you who throw around your half asked theories and call these people names have wver met any of them.
@@oiooi6460 YOU ignored what the man said, he said he knew she was guilty on the same day. before there was a cause of death, before any evidence was gathered he had already decided she did it. that's bias.
@@oiooi6460 now you’re just insulting anyone that disagrees with you. Saying we’re a cult. No not a cult. Did Paul or you for that matter listen to what was said during the trial. I know I did and KR did not hit him with her car.
The most hate IMO, came from Proctor's comments towards KR when she was a person of interest/suspect. His "personal" cell phone was filled with evidence of his bias towards her from the start, along with his loyalty to his police buddies sharing his thoughts about evidence with (as well as group chat friends) that made his entire investigation as "lead detective" baseless. His comments weren't just unprofessional. His behavior was. (How about drinking and driving in his cruiser while on a 😉 cold case). It was his personal bias for ONLY looking at her for John O'keefe's murder. Despite ME's findings. Obvious dog bite/s with Chloe being rehomed and, the snow plow driver not seeing a body when John's body should have been there and seen. Solo cups to collect evidence, butt dials, deleted calls, phones thrown out, and more...So much reasonable doubt. Hope the FBI uncovers evidence that will show up before the retrial.
I didn't pay any attention to this case until the trial started. Then, I listened to the evidence. As every day passed, I was more convinced that nothing showed that Karen had killed John, even by accident. I don't know who did, but I have to say that the way John's friends acted was bizarre and was never explained. Everything about the evidence collection was so amateure you would believe they never watched a "cop" show. Kids know correct evidence collection better than this. Then the dog, going up and down stairs, rehoming the dog, selling the house,?!? Then, the incompetence of the state police. I was shocked that they even brought the case. I feel very sorry for John's family. Their story is tragic, but it doesn't take a "conspiracy theory" to know that Karen is innocent. If they are not open to all evidence they will never find peace. I do think it was not a good move for Karen to go anywhere near John's family after the end of the trial, and it would be strange for her to look at them. Why would anyone discount a legal reason for the change of courtroom? Paul sounded like they didn't come to find justice, but only for Karen to be convicted no matter what the evidence. For me, the prosecution case was not credible. I have lived in several states, including Massachusetts, and would not ever live there again. It matters very much where you live. New England is very beautiful, but it is the most closed and clannish place I have ever lived. If you are from somewhere else you will never be accepted. People there will believe their friends to the end, so the verdict and John's family's reaction did not surprise me at all. Even the brother making excuses for Procter and the deficiencies in the case is not surprising for that culture. Karen was an outsider, so no allowance would ever be given to her. If she had married John she would always be the outsider. It's a different world. Even if she is eventually found not guilty, Karen will have to move out of New England to live a normal life. I feel very sorry for all of them.
Same here. I didn't know beans about this case until the trial started. There was no evidence that convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt, that she was responsible, much less that her intent was to do something like that. Everyone at the bar said they were affectionate with each other.
I don’t think the O’Keefe family should be attacked. I think they’re in denial. But I will say, by the end of this interview, I felt he was being their mouthpiece and was prepped for this interview. They can believe that Karen in guilty, but also acknowledge that Proctor was out of line and that the investigation, especially collecting blood evidence in solo cups, was unacceptable. The fact he saw no issues with any of that makes it clear that they would never be open minded to any other possibility than Karen being responsible.
He also denies and ignores the attacks the prosecution, DA and police put on Karen from the beginning. They told the public they had ring footage of her reversing into John. And also his own staring her down in court, like it never happened. Yet we all saw it.
Ive noticed that the people who think Keren is guilty goes by the only fact she is a high confidence woman. They mostly comment about the way she looks, her face, her expressions and they simply dont like her. Maybe she is arrogant but it doesnt make her guilty. And the people who believe she is not guilty are going by the evidence of the case
Its kinda wild that Paul wanted Karen to be more empathetic and sympathetic but she wasnt afforded that when it comes to her behavior. People act nuts sometimes during traumatic events. Its not always good to trust your gut feelings. Especially over actual facts. Its hard to do though.
@@ElenaG-k6l she the only one who know how they treated her. They also spoke with the troopers and EMS at the hospital so they already formed their opinions on that she did it.
@@KARENKERR-ik8bm they formed opinion based on Karen's statement that she did it and her tail light at the scene. Also, as Paul said that Karen's lawyer stated at the start that "this was a tragic accident and she had no intention to kill him' but after changed her story.
@@wolfpecker5710 no he didn’t paralyze someone! Stop spreading lies. This is a lie and if you’re a good and honest person you will remove the post. There is ZERO evidence of PERMANENT paralysis. It is a procedural requirement to put a geriatric patient in a cervical neck collar (c-spine collar) in a motor-vehicle collision. The lack of sensation/neuropathy to the extremities is EXTREMELY common in auto incidents due to twisting and compression of spinal nerves (think sleeping wrong on your neck and getting a “dead arm”). However, this is nearly ALWAYS ACUTE, meaning it subsides. You cannot glean permanent paralysis from ONLY available public report/the police report, which I read, taken at the scene, because it takes days, weeks, years to determine that. Should he have driven drunk? No. Should you be spreading or perpetuating/continuing salacious lies that he he permanently paralyzed someone? Also no. Will you be a big person and say “oh I’m sorry, I was wrong and didn’t realize? I’m guessing also no but we’ll see
Id rather be with my parents than spouses family. Sorry not sorry. I CALL BULL ON HIS COMMENT - she smirked at him. All he did was glare at her every day. And a witness heard you say "Im not done with you yet". Its all poor me/us about Karen making some wise choices - I wouldnt look at anyone on prosecutions side either. Why did he sit next to her then, instead of his own mom if it was uncomfortable. She went to hug her parents afterwsrd...unlike him. This is too disgusting, cant even finish watching this dupe.
100% if Karen already knew that the O'Keffe family didn't like her, and she is a overly paranoid person as we've seen. There is no way she was hanging around after John died....she also had her own issues with the family and the lack of help they gave to her and John with the kids. Her leaving and saying goodbye isn't a shock to me. And I get it, they've been lied to, that's hard to believe when it's your "friends" it's 10x harder!
My heart goes out to the O'Keefe family. But lets be honest, this was not an actual news "interview". It was a fluff piece. There was no journalistic impartiality.
It was a slanted interview, but I don't think that's crazy considering the context. The interviewer/production could genuinely not want to grill or push back on a grieving family member of the victim. Or they could just view it as a bad PR move to do so. Plus, I think if I were the interviewer, I'd expect any pushback would result in the brother just up and leaving.
People who are for Karen Reed are doing the same thing there accusing the O'Keefe family of doing only seeing what they want to see. Karen's own Father on national television Karen said she thinks she hit something I believe she did it. She dated this man and she has no remorse her story keeps changing.
The lead investigator on JO's case is being investigated by the FBI and his own IA and the FBI's investigators/accident reconstructionists said his body and her vehicle prove she didn't hit him but, JO's brother still believes MSP did this right? He's practically saying he thinks she did it because of a hunch! My God, man, don't you want the REAL answers to what happened to your brother that night? Not your gut feelings, but HARD EVIDENCE and FACTS? I feel bad for JO's family but, this is not the way. It's like a shark bites a human so everyone goes out on their boats and kills the nearest shark but it's not the right shark. I'd want the TRUTH, not just an enemy to blame but THE enemy... The right enemy. Makes me sad, angry and frustrated.
"We got to know the Alberts through this" THAT speaks volumes. This poor family. John was a cop found on another cops lawn said cop wouldn't even come outside to see if this person could be helped. And another cop ruined the investigation by not doing one
So because she didn't stay at John's, that makes her guilty to them?? She was supposed to go home the night before?? I'm sure. They were looking at her suspiciously immediately. I wouldn't stay there either.
John intentionally moved his Traverse out of the garage before going out so her Lexus could park in the garage, because Karen was planning on staying the night he was killed. Paul is saying her behavior & words were odd to him in light of what was happening that morning. John had just tragically died hours before, he had been with Karen that night & she was the one who found him. Suspicious behavior led to suspicion, not the other way around imo.
For her to say she'd never speak with them again makes sense to me. If JO is no longer around, why would she keep in touch? Also, she wasn't liked. She was grieving also. Of course she'd want to be with her own family, not his. Did she owe them something at that point? I don't think so.
I cant stand the OKeefe - the think they are the center of planet earth. Karen had 💯 right to be with her OWN people who loves and respect her. The Okeefe used her and they know it!
Didn’t JO’s mother abuse her or blame her that day?? She was admitted sect12 (sorry I’m from Aust not sure of correct terminology), said she was going to Unalive herself, did the hospital give her a sedative or something? But the family made up there mind then because she wasn’t talking, surely after 2 great loses they would know about shock & everyone grieves differently (ie disassociating/shut down - that’s what I do😞), plus she was very unwell at the time as stated in evidence (her & Johns texts), maybe she was upstairs on the toilet 🤷♀️. In the end we will never know because the ‘investigation’ was completely botched, the O’Keefe’s should be just as angry at that because that’s the reason they wont see justice (regardless of who did it)😢
Totally agree. You would think that the O'Keefe family would be totally pissed with the prosecutions arguments and how ineffective his case, and losing arguments were. He was a very weak attorney and I would not want him representing me in any matter whatsoever.
Right ajd I think it's funny when TB messaged Paul online on John O Keefe's page and he was like we will see what the evidence shows....then for him to still sit there and think that that is BS!
@MADNESS084 Peg O'Keefe was mad because OJO was the kids guardian & Karen helped him with raising the kids so OJO didn't need to rely on others as much including her. If things were great why did OJO call her Peg?
I hate when people say we KNOW what happened. NO, YOU DON'T. And there is no proof to corroborate the story they tell. I'm sorry, but it sounds so idiotic. And "when" they figured it out is so stupid. Grief "vibes" don't make someone guilty of murder. It's disgusting of him to do this. My brother was killed by a cop when he was 17 and we still don't know what actually happened and it was 22 years ago
And by Karen saying "bad times" I think she was just so messed up from everything, she said it wrong. Her saying they will never talk again is probably because they all knew the relationship wasn't in a great position already, so she assumed they wanted nothing to do with her. For him to say she needed to be more sad, everyone grieves differently so what's really sad is him saying stuff like that
@@Mommin_Aint_Eazy I've gone out with many women and barely knew her family that lived far away. When I broke up I did not go live with her parents that I barely knew. So what Karen did was kind of normal. She was with John not her brother etc. They were not even married. Seems pretty normal to me given the situation. Not her family, not her kids. Did any of they say "Please stay Karen we love you don't go" I think Paul is brainwashed.
Can we talk about the fact that Kerry testified when they brought the mom to see John in the hospital she was accusing Karen of the murder so they were against her from the jump
Yeah she needed to blame Karen from the jump because she never dealt with her boys being alcoholics and the issues they had, that lead to this, from their childhood. She was their mother, not Karen who became the perfect scapegoat for their pain.
Probably because before arriving to the scene KR already said he was dead. And she ran straight to him covered in snow in the dark. Because she knew she’d hit him. How else would she believe he was dead?! Guilty
@@templeyoung2423 of course she ran to him in the snow. How could you miss a six foot 2 man in the front yard. You people act like the front yard is the size of football field. It’s not. It’s small. The pictures don’t do it Justice. Takes mere seconds to walk from one side of the yard to the other. Of all of the talking points I think this one is the dumbest. Which begs the question why did Five people leave that party and not see John in the yard? Because he wasn’t there.
He’s not telling the full story of his interaction with Karen. It’s clear they didn’t like her and probably told her so. So why would you want a relationship with all people who hate you? John is dead and she doesn’t have to put up with their b.s. That’s just my opinion. I hope the family gets therapy and faces the reality that Karen is not guilty. Their hate is only making them further suffer.
not to mention, if she didn't kill him, she's probably blaming THEM for his death. maybe not blaming his brother, but blaming people at that one house. Also, if people are beginngin to blame HER then she's gonna pick up on THOSE vibes, and of course she's gonna be awkward. Not to mention her significant other just DIED.
Paul O'Keefe should know first hand what it's like to be smashed at 24mph on a DUI, so does his paralized victim. Therefore he should recognize that his bro was not hit by a vehicle.
As a journalist I am embarrased by this interview. She clearly promised no tough questions and then added little comments that she has no business making. She needs to be fair and balanced and this is horrible journalism
Yeh, not even invitations to express things differently. I know that sometimes yes you do sense something from "the vibes" but he needs to be able to break that down and tiny actions that might have given him vibes, he needs to be able to articulate that. Eg, I tried to look at her expecting our pain to resonate in that moment we held each others eyes, but... she looked away, quickly, awkwardly. She wouldn't look at me. Not even for a moment. Make us understand why he concluded that she did it
Keep in mind that if you keep making excuses for Karen Read for EVERYTHING that’s weird, every lie, etc, she just may get away with murder. How proud you would be.
The FBI’s reconstruction experts testimony that JO’s injuries were not consistent with being struck by vehicle is much more valuable evidence than the behavior he describes. Many things could explain her behavior….But as the expert witness maintained, you can’t deny the science.
Something Paul left out was they had yelled at Karen and told her it was her fault she left John at the party. That is why she gathered her things and left.
@@kristenpino4635 something this video left out was the fact Yannetti stated it was an accident! At Karen’s initial arraignment. The conspiracy came when Jackson joined the team. He believes Karen hit him because…Karen hit him.
@@crippledalien5937 Yanneti stated that when Police claimed they had a video showing she hit John. Meanwhile later.. we find out, Police lied, no such video ever existed.
I watched this trial every day…I never saw Karen Read even look in the direction of Paul or his wife?!! I don’t believe she was looking at him and smirking. If she wasn’t looking at the witness, she was looking back at her family. It’s very sad for him and his family but they are so convinced of what they think happened, they are not seeing the whole picture.
Same. PO was glaring at her the entire time. She and Yanetti swapped seats at one point, I'm thinking probably so he could partially shield her from some the menacing glares. I was worried he was gonna jump the rail and physically attack her!
You saw (or in this case, didn't see) what you wanted to see. I watched every day as well, and she 'looked in that direction' COUNTLESS times--like, *every* 'time' she chatted with Yanetti each day. Yet, having no personal vantage point due to the camera angle, you make this laughable 100% false statement. 🙄
@@LizInTheB 🤣 I’m sorry but I did not see her smirking at him?!!! I saw Paul staring her down with his “built up hatred looking face” all the time! He is angry and bitter…and the reason he knows she did it is ridiculous! Your delusional also 🙄
@@cocomojo310 it’s “you’re delusional “ as in you’re delusional. You whack jobs that ignore ALL of the evidence of KR’s guilt, clearly didn’t elementary school English classes:-/
Paul and his wife testified how Karen was treated at the hospital by the Okeefe family (and everyone). The didn’t hug her, cry with her, speak to her, or allow her to see John at the Hospital. And THEN they are angry that she doesn’t want to grieve with them all day? Gee, I wonder if Karen got a vibe from them?
And the 1 thing Mrs Peggy O'Keefe said did Karen just left him alone at the party like John was a 13 year old boy not a 46 old men, i believe she never liked Karen
Gee, or maybe they got a vibe from her with all the evidence already found on and around John’s body. And Mrs. O’Keefe saying to Karen, “You left him there?” when Karen told John's mother that she left him at the bar, which was another lie.
@@claudia70031The dad loved Karen they went to church together! Was Mrs Okeefe jealous too and didnt like her? I believe Mr Okeefe still cares for her and he believes shes innocent! Hence why he wasn’t there daily and he left when a witness was saying bad stuff about Karen. Paul is a drunk and his mom they say! His mom took John to court to take kids from him it didnt work! I dont think they were as close as they try to show!
Think you have not heard Paul O'Keefe say He wanted to go over to Karen in hospital-HE blew her a kiss as She was being "sedated" at the request of her father.
@@claudia70031 OH Please. You are putting words into Mrs O'Keefe's mouth. Please inform yourself of the facts, Karen's SUV recorded her backing up and hitting him. HER SUV cannot lie. IT just records what she is doing when she is driving.
Nothing but compassion for him…but he is blinded by hatred for her. I understand it. But him saying “she backed over him”….where. is. the. blood…. There is NO credible evidence to support the theory she killed him. And that arm was absolutely bitten by a dog. How can so much be so overlooked…unreal.
How do you get rammed by a Lexus and not have a bruise anywhere except your face? How did none of the 300 people walking all night long, past the area where he was found, see him out there? Why was there snow under his body? It's just so maddening. Lawyer Lee said yesterday that she thinks the prosecution didn't prove their case, but that KR probably did it. I was gobsmacked.
I agree. It's mind boggling. Watching his interview I'm thinking did he just ignore the evidence or the lack of evidence the prosecution had. I'm Sure Karen was asking herself that night, could she of hit him. I would of. But to say Karen hit JO in rage and they were fighting, that's exactly what Lally said. No one was there and can't know what their last words were.
He needs to realize that as of right now it's a 50-50 chance so he needs to start thinking it could've been the Mcalberts and he was in court everyday and he still feels this way has me MINDBLOWN!!!!
@@horrormoviereactionsA lot of lawyers are bootlicking “officers of the court” and will never admit that cops and fellow officers of the court could be corrupt.
Did you watch the trial?
This interview really aggravated me. He’s basing his conclusion on feelings and emotions and has allowed Jenn McCabe and o manipulate his perspective. The fact that he said “Proctor has had his life turned upside down because of this” as if he’s blaming Karen for that - that just shocked me!! He literally said “no one was ever supposed to see those text messages” so somehow he’s a victim because the FBI got involved???? He’s saying “the FBI only got cherry picked evidence from the defense” when in reality the FBI got the evidence that the police and commonwealth collected!!! They asked the reconstructionist to put the exact theory that Lally claims happened to the test, which is exactly what they did!! Their findings were VERY clear - John DID NOT get hit by Karen’s car! Why doesn’t he do an interview without “cherry picking” the questions?!?! I’d love to hear what he has to say about the evidence that came in due to the FBI investigation. Honestly, Paul made it seem like even the FBI was somehow siding with Karen all because she has the “showboat defense attorney”. Maybe he should really listen to the people of canton. He seems to think they are supporting Karen just because Aiden Kearny made a big deal about things. The reality is Karen has the supporters she has because the people from that area are sick and tired of the dirty and corrupt cops and what they get away with. Like most of them say “Karen could be any one of us”. Her supporters are there because she is FINALLY exposing the corruption. There’s finally a spotlight on it and the dirty cops may actually have to FINALLY suffer some consequences!!! It really disgusts me that the McAlberts have been able to manipulate him and his mother and that they can’t see what REALLY happened. He said he reached out to Levy, I hope he gets back to Paul and tells him the TRUTH. It’s clear Paul has blinders on - the fact that he said the FBI should have never been involved, Josh Levy should have nothing to do with this case……the O’Keefe’s should be OUTRAGED at Proctor and everyone else who dropped the ball on the investigation of his brothers murder. The sloppy way they handled everything for a “brother in blue” is a disgrace. The fact that Paul doesn’t seem to see an issue with any of that, it speaks volumes to me.
Small note, I don't think the FBI reconstructionists were hired to evaluate Lally/Trooper Paul's theory. I think they were hired as a control group, so to speak, to show what a proper attempt at reconstruction would look like. That way there would be no bias from them knowing that the FBI was investigating a particular thing. The reason I believe this is because they weren't given a theory, they were only given evidence, and they were allowed to go down the "glass thrown at tail light" route despite it not having much relevance (as far as I can see).
John's family isn't on trial. She's guilty.
@@Jack-bc5xgKaren isn’t on trial either. The trial is over.
Blame everyone but Karen.
Just because he’s related to the victim doesn’t mean he’s acting in good faith. I guarantee he knows dang well that KR had nothing to do with his brother’s passing. He’s just a typical bootlicker doing what he does best - bootlicking.
Honestly, if it were my family member, I would be so pissed if their investigation had been handled this way. He should be livid about how this was investigated!
I so agree with you.
Def agree. You should want the truth. Not just any resolution that fits cause you need to feel “justice” done. I know it is incredibly hard but that’s what needs to happen for real justice.
Exactly, where's that?
He won’t and he never will badmouth the police because his brother was a Boston cop for 16 years this man believes he’s supporting the thin blue line and his close friends that he and John grew up with but in truth Karen was framed by the McCabes in the Alberts via proctor and bukkake or whatever his name is
He simply could not and cannot accept the idea that these people who supposedly love him and loved John and their family would kill John purposely or not and then have Other police officers tamper with evidence to frame someone. He knows that John would never do something like that so he can’t believe that any other cops would either because we’re all trained from the time we’re babies the cops are the good guys here to protect and serve and John O’Keefe was😢
@shelceegraves. I agree. Unfortunately the o’keefes are projecting guilt onto Karen because they can’t let themselves believe that the mcalberts as other “police” families could have killed him.
Saying Proctor is a victim is laughable.. if Proctor said those disgusting comments about your wife or mother you would feel differently.
The O’Keefe family has definitely seen more tragedy than most families and it is heartbreaking. I watched every second of the trial with an open mind and being through family tragedies I know the pain. I honestly don’t think anyone stays sober long enough in Canton to think straight and see the actual evidence… they should take a vacation away from Canton get away from the corrupt people feeding lies and keeping them close… get out and get a new perspective. And one more thing … people in glass house shouldn’t throw stones Paul.. especially with your track record.
Justice for Officer John O’Keefe🙏💙.
Well said.
You can be sure that Paul O'Keefe and his wife wife have laughed many times over the comments about Karen and if they were in that same chat group they would have liked that comment made by Proctor. They hated Karen waaaaaay before John died.
Agreed! This interview was actually appalling
Special kind of he'll awaits karen read
@@thendisnear-zz5gl I am thinking that is what is awaiting some corrupt police officers and possibly court official for the Commonwealth, but not KR, not based on what I saw during the trial.
Having been in a fatal car crash myself, I was severely injured and the father of my two children was killed on impact due to blunt force trauma. Our babies were 5 years and 14 months old at the time . The road has been long and difficult ,listening to this is heartbreaking 💔 This trial has brought so much to the surface for me ,including the mixed emotions our family faced .
Trauma is real, but facts are facts! As hard as it is to believe the truth of what actually happened to OJO ,especially while grieving, it is what will help this family start to heal . Blaming Karen Read is the easy way out, anger is an easier emotion (IMO)! My heart and prayers are with the O'Keefe family but, Karen Read is innocent. Shame on Jen McCabe ,the McAlbet's, and the corrupt MSP! This should never, ever happen again, to anyone!
Paul needs to know his fight for truth and justice for his brother shouldn't exclude the facts ,and evidence,
no matter how much it hurts 💔
Justice for Officer John O'Keefe, may he rest in peace 🕊️
Very well said! Thank you for sharing your story + your pain...I pray to God for continual comfort + healing. ❤
God bless you! Well said!
Thank you. Very well said ❤
Very sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing. Prayers of healing for you and your family 🙏🏼🩵
So very sorry for your loss. 🙏 But so well said! Couldn't agree more!
Lesson learned, stay the hell out of Massachusetts. Not even a vacation. The cops are absolutely compromised.
Governor Maura Healey take notice. This is your mess now. Clean up the state police and the DA's office or you will be a 1 term governor!
Man even if the entire conspiracy angle was true that’s still a handful of cops in the state
Something about that Massachusetts water … (Salem Witch Trials) …
Sadly very true 🙁
@@amyfromcali9051 the Kennedys got to cover up a murder …2 murders as a matter of fact!
Before even listening to Paul O'Keefe's interview, I gotta say he didn't seem to be watching the trial he attended. He was staring down Karen the whole time and showed no interest in defense's questions and witnesses. Does he even know any of the evidence?
The defence ??? They’ve made up conspiracy after conspiracy without any evidence whatsoever. In fact it’s all like fake. Debunked garbage. Lol.
Sir, I understand you are hurt. You are angry. You are looking for someone to blame. I did not know ANYTHING about this trial. I was as close to a juror as I could be. I saw things plenty clearly. Don't insult my intelligence claiming I didn't. I truly don't know what happened that night, but there was far too much about this trial that made me say "THAT'S WEIRD" for me to conclude anything but reasonable doubt.
He knows shes innocent he just has a hateful dislike for her and most likely because she a woman bailed him out more than once
Yes!
Exactly- that was my experience too.
I agree-my opinion as well. I also only saw one podcast outlining the case several months ago and was predisposed to her being guilty-based off how the story was reported and what the police said they had as evidence. So, his claims are just so off base.
My experience was the opposite. I didn’t know anything about the case before but I can’t see how anyone can NOT see how Karen Read is innocent. She’s clearly guilty given the evidence.
I watched the entire trial here from Portugal, where I just saw this interview. It baffles me how this family refuses to understand what was shown to them, and to us, during the circus that was the trial. They don't have to believe in a conspiracy, but they could and should look at the evidence. They could think 'if it wasn't her, who was it?' and focus on finding an answer to what really matters.
💯 agree
Absolutely
@imblfs ; I too watched the entire trial. Plus a year or more of pre trial footage. Including her million dollar pr campaign. If KR saying the might have hit him but it was an accident, her DAD getting on TV & saying “ Karen thought she hit something but didn’t know what it was “. So many things not shown in trial. Why would ten different govt’ organizations all gang up and conspire on some rich white lady ?! They did not, she hit him, and that’s the only thing that makes sense. Just lk OJ paid millions to murder 2 ppl and get away with it, so too will KR get away with it. NOT bc she’s innocent, she’s clearly guilty of hitting him. Deliberate homicide I don’t think that was proven. But what was proven was she hit him and then immediately covered it up instead of getting him help. Point proven by her ERASING 13 ring videos in front of his niece and nephew!
A friend of mine died earlier this year after malpractice of doctors, and his family blamed his girlfriend. There was nothing she could have done, it was 100% the doctor's fault for not treating him properly and sending him home to die, and the family still blames the girlfriend for it. Sometimes the family is just looking for someone to pin the blame on because they're in so much pain.
And often its the " outsider"
Scapegoating.
I was in a horrible accident in high school with my boyfriend. Even though the accident was an accident my boyfriends family treated me like it was my fault or intentional. We got hit entering the highway by a semi. His family was my only family all of highschool. They made me feel like an outsider at the hospital. I can 100% see where she would feel like she has to walk away from the family.
Aww I’m sorry that happened to you guys, and I’m sorry they made you feel that way! But I definitely understand your point of view
I watched the interview with John O’Keefe’s brother. I understand his pain. It must be excruciating. I also understand
he believes he has the ability to judge guilt by how he feels about a person and his interpretation of their behavior. Thankfully our justice system requires more than feelings to take away someone’s freedom for the rest of their life. If factual information doesn’t matter to him and to his family, then there is no path to peace for them. If Mr. Lally, the police officers, the Albert and McCabe families, and state troopers also believe facts don’t matter then that explains a lot.
What I hate is his hypocrisy.
Karen was THE BEST PERSON in the world when she was bailing you out of Jail Paul, right!? For your DUI that injured someone.
I hate that she helped this family with all her heart and they turn on her because of fake evidences and lies. (Awful investigation of Proctor)
🤦
Yes and she was taking good care of the kids for 2 yes. Paul didn't help him or his parents. And Brain Alberts didn't even come out of the house to see if he could help
Regarding Paul's comment about KR's behavior at the house and LYK's comment about " a vibe," I think that KR isn't a warm and fuzzy person; she didn't grieve the way Paul thought she should. Additionally, she was likely still in shock. My family is stoic, we don't cry in public; my mom was literally trembling at my dad's funeral but she didn't cry. Friend is Italian and she wails. Doesn't mean one of us isn't grieving
I was so confused because on his way out of the courtroom I swear to Christ he was giving her a “ good job, good to see you , talk soon” type of interaction…he didn’t look upset, Karen didn’t look upset. They weren’t perfect…Karen has a lot of insecurity issues, some anger issues. We don’t know anything about her childhood or what she’s been through she could have some mental health things that trigger these very strong reactions. I understand it’s not easy to hear the voicemails, the flirty texts but that doesn’t give you the right to pretend she isn’t being set up for MURDER. Ffs
@@barbaral743Karen Read did not have the opportunity to grieve. She has had to defend her life since January 29, 2022.
@SM-kh1oz yes,
Just think what our justice system would be like if people were convicted because someone has a “feeling” about what happened. He has no objectivity, unfortunately.
Exactly. It's not just a Hypothetical thought experiment that's how things operated for most of human history so any call to return to that kind of thinking is outrageous and needs to be refuted thoroughly
People are wrongly convicted everyday with way more reasonable doubt than this shit. He's not saying to convict just because they have a gut feeling, but if she was acting fucked up afterwards then that means a great deal you know people's habits and demeanor when your close to them.
@roostercogburn6469 this person is not even close to a rational witness of events
"We got to know the Alberts through this" THAT speaks volumes. This poor family
Medical experts stated injuries were not consistent with being hit by a vehicle, two accident reconstruction experts (with PHDs, hired by FBI/DOJ ) also stated the same. “You can't deny the science and the physics.” Unfortunately, people still do....Paul must not have listened.
Expert witnesses are nothing more than "hired guns". Money talks.
@BlackIrishBlnde6951 ; And those NOT paid for by the defense said he could have been hit and flew back cracking his head on the pavement. Ignore all the evidence you don’t like, and cite only what backs your narrative.
@@jill2066 The jury decided who and what they believe. If YOU choose to believe that she was not driving drunk and that everyone in the city of Canton and beyond are all liars except for her good for you!
@@lucyduncan6236 ; Ummm I don’t know who you are, or why the hell you are yelling at me, but I have said nothing about K. R. bring innocent. I think she’s guilty as sin and I think she will walk, being as innocent as OJ, or Casey Anthony. I have no clue what you are responding to, with MY name, but “KR being innocent “ has never been typed by MY hand:-/
Rehomed the dog, got rid of phones, deleted calls and searches, tears up concrete because of water, no one dies that that is innocent.
Sold the house, moved out town, retired from the Boston police, it goes on and on and on
So what? Big deal! Upgrade your phone and move.
I HIT him! Did I hit him? Dad, I think I hit something! JOHN, I HATE YOU! Let me out of here and runs to where she left John to die in the cold the night before. GUILTY! Some fine intelligent jurors see past all the malarkey of an absurd frame up story.
@@Elsley12she hit his truck in the am. Then was gaslight into believing she hit John. Use ur head. Ur beliefs r in the mcabes n Albert’s. So nine people lie and do shady shit n get rid of phones but u take two sentences from someone else and that holds more weight to u?
@@Elsley12 you can certainly choose to refuse to believe the science but you can never make it go away. Hopefully you never find yourself in her situation, it could’ve been anyone. You would absolutely believe the scientifically factual information. No accident = no crime by Karen.
It’s sad that he’s against the FBI being involved. Your brother was killed and you don’t want the FBI looking into it???? I would want anyone that could possible help to be involved.
Microdots just put up a new video with a local telling allot of new details.
@@georgewashington3555 that was interesting
Nobody else ruined Proctor's life but Proctor.
His reaction to Proctor is as if Proctor's behavior is normal.
Proctor deserves worse than being "rehomed"
@@jenniferdaly6060 and in a BIG way!
@@jenniferdaly6060 exactly
You knew she was guilty with no evidence the day of the incident, But you're wondering why she didn't want to ever talk to your family again.
This! They didn’t act warm and fuzzy. She matched their energy- so she’s the culprit?!?
Exactly
You’re a fool
@@JaneMiller0101are you kidding? He blew her a kiss in the hospital. It wasn’t until she got sketchy that things changed.
@@JaneMiller0101yea she is!! Guilty I want to see her behind bars!!
Those ‘good people’ never walked outside to check on your dying brother that morning. WTF?
He’s BLIND !! 🤦
Yeahh it’s this for me. Even if I believed that chloe wasn’t there and no dog was involved to make noise, why didn’t they go outside when Jen McCabe woke them up? If I knew ANYBODY was deceased on my lawn, especially someone I KNEW, I would make myself readily available for anything i could do to help out. How much did they really care for his brother if they weren’t even ready to step foot outside? How can Paul justify that in his mind?
Clearly they were manipulated by liars especially Jen McCabe and that shows Paul and his mother's character and judge of character
@@Naveen-tx8bebecause he's driven by hatred and being lied to by everyone on that side
Imo, the McAlberts are keeping a close eye on the Okeefes to make sure they aren’t talking to the Feds and getting the real deal. They are dirty. Imo, they beat up John for whatever reason and threw him out on the snow thinking he would survive it and be so fearful, he would not speak of it ever again. Unfortunately for them, it went too far and he died on their yard due to a brain bleed. I see this happening. Who wouldn’t go check what was happening right in your front yard?
Jen Mc Cabe helped them “figure it out” 🤨
I wish Jackson would have mentioned how just after John's body was placed on the lawn, Jennifer McCabe played the song 'It's Raining Men'. She is a psychopath with a sick sense of humour.
@@undercoveragent9889 interesting 🤔
Haha
@@undercoveragent9889Jen McCabe is an idiot
Exactly!!! 😤
i think. jackson is amazing..the few words on the steps were very classy and respectful of john okeefes . he is a top notch lawyer and deserving of praise .
Let’s say she did it! Why did they get rid of the dog? Why did they get rid of their phones? Why did they sell their house? Why didn’t they come out of their house at any point when all this was going on? Why did the prosecutors present the car in the garage backwards? It’s not logical. Where are the bruises on his lower body?
So their actions mean guilt but hers don't? I didn't go to a friend's funeral, I sold my house around the same time but first redid my floors... does that mean I murdered my friend?
@@lisamcclendon2720 Did your friend die outside your house? Did your friend have wounds that could be attributed to a pet you owned and then rehomed? This is a false equivalence.
@@juliatheejawn2297 John was murdered inside the house, then dumped outside, by family “friends”! 🙄
@@lisamcclendon2720that is a stupid comment lol!! Like the other person said, was your friend murdered and found on your lawn?
@@lisamcclendon2720 oh, and the phones....and Colin Albert's knuckles... and Jen McCabe's 2.27am google search....and Brian Albert not coming out of his house.....so YES!!!
If John was my brother, I’d be *irate* at how the evidence was mishandled 😕
OK but she still killed him so…
I guess she turned into a trained police dog and shredded his arm like that and also puncture wounds top and bottom teeth on the elbow area. Comeon. If she’d hit him with the car I believe she would have freaked out ON THE SPOT and everyone would have known. Higgins, Brian Albert, Collin Albert, and I want to know if Brian’s daughter called her bf to come get her in order to get Chloe (the dog) out of the house which is why she never barked and woke the Albert’s the next morning.
@@nolo3 ......"OK"?....even if you think she killed him, you shouldn't let the cops shitty investigation off the hook. Would you want them to be collecting the bodily remains of your loved ones in a shopping bag and red solo cups freshmen play beer pong with? These keystone cops should be fired, I wouldn't want them investigating anything.
If she did the handled the evidence so badly that she could go free, if she didn’t them they have handled it so bad that we can’t find out who did.
@@nolo3you’re wrong. Innocent until a jury of 12 convicts her. The law backs me up on this one sorry, not sorry. Hope your eyes get better bro!
Ur right Paul, she ain't done yet. She still has millions of dollars to get from civil suits.
💯 !!
The O’Keefe’s could sue Karen for wrongful death. Look at the Brown’s & Goldman’s successful civil suit against O.J.
Sad but true. Proctor never considered investigating any other possible lines of questioning besides Karen. She was victimised by the lead investigator who did not conduct a proper, procedurally correct investigation. She has an excellent case for damages.
I can’t believe Paul O’Keefe expressed sympathy for Proctor, defended him even, especially because Proctor was probably one of the biggest reasons for the mistrial.
@@alexisbaltazar8958 it’s sick.
I honestly think that his family doesn't care what Proctor said because they were likely saying the same things or worse about her. If they allow themselves to realize that what Proctor did was wrong then they have to acknowledge that they themselves are wrong.
The speed with which they turned on KR and sticking with that despite everything that came out at trial . . . That kind of makes me think they were talking about her like this long before John died.
I feel bad for proctor too. He knew she was a nut.
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@@alexisbaltazar8958 yeah I agree! Proctor is disgusting
They are hurt, angry, and grieving. KR is the only person they have to blame for it, and perhaps they can’t accept that JOK’s brothers in blue didn’t care enough to investigate his death properly, throughly, and with integrity.
The Albert’s and McCabe’s didn’t go to his funeral. Their brothers in blue. I find that so very odd.
The fact that he still supports them, with how they destroyed all the evidence, blows my mind. If it was my friends, I would be so mad, If I was that secure she did it, I would be blaming them all because now we don’t have evidence. He is delusional and I feel is so much gaslight from that clan. Still, he is an adult and is time to start looking for healthy ways to start healing.
@@JamieArcangelIt may be controversial for me to say this - but I think a lot of the "brothers in blue" thing is romanticisation. And we see that here. This is an exceptional example, of course.
Uhh, no
She's not the only person they have to blame, though. It's known to many, and it's out there who really did it.
👉🏼 You can't come to the decision that Karen is guilty based on the evidence - only based on bias. Lally & the DA's remarks aren't evidence. They're lies. The _evidence_ proves Karen Read is _innocent!_ The suspicious behavior of the McAlberts, their collusion in group texts & during interviews w/ police, their inconsistent testimony, their story changing over time about Karen's statements and Colin being at the house, their odd behavior the day of John's death, the excessive "butt-dials," the dog bite/scratch marks, and Jen McCabe's 2:27am search prove they were responsible for the crime & the cover-up! 💯
His reason for believing her guilt blows my mind.
honestly I bet its similar to the juror or jurors (still think its only one that was a holdout) that found her guilty.
So does Paul also think that she drank the majority of his brothers blood, and then drove away
@@carynmaher5406 yes this interview didn’t help him or his cause… hopefully he feels better internally but his reasons were not reasons for anyone to be arrested or hold up in court. It was just him bitching. Which he has the right to do.
Right?! "We just know" ok....shame on this guy who btw should be the one in jail.
We are so not sick of you! I am impressed by your findings
The interviewer has the skills of a high school journalist on an assignment for the HS paper.
I agree I understand trying to be sensitive, especially when dealing with a grieving family, but the questions were useless
She was fangirling. Not conducting an interview.
She's not THAT q ualified...hirribke interview....she should join pro ctor in the unemployment line.
So he thinks she did it because they argued and she didn’t grieve the way he wanted her to? 🤨
Sad thing is he's protecting the very people who kiIIed him... _because he doesn't like her._ Smart man! 🙄🙄
Honestly, I don't like her at all...she gives me the ick, BUT I don't think she's guilty.
@@jessicafreitag5111 lame reason imo. His hatred for Karen is bigger than anything else it appears. 🙁
@@Sis1426my only problem is that they are asking to jail someone without any real evidence. Their feelings about it are valid but when they try to Shame or punish someone without actual proof it becomes evil. That’s why people harass them, because we KNEW they were willing to believe a lie early on and ditch Karen’s whole life on a feeling. They are witch hunters. That is evil and everyone with a brain knows Karen didn’t hit him and all the other evidence all says she doesn’t do it. All of the quality non biased and objective facts all greatly support Karen. Yet all the other witnesses literally always selectively forgot anything that could benefit Karen or anything, it’s almost like they weren’t being honest and weren’t even willing to accept any fact even if true if it makes her look less guilty. But I do disagree with lawyer you know on this, strongly. Feelings are one thing but if they had the choice they would take an innocent persons life without giving them a fair chance and fair evidence. The are absolutely wrong regardless even if Karen did it because they didnt give her a fair trial. She physically couldn’t have done it and the evidence was definitive and all encompassing by any physical and mechanical facts. It wasn’t possible in any regular physics world and it was proven through basic hard laws of physics. Witch hunters deserve to suffer as they would do upon someone innocent. It is more evil to put one innocent person in jail than ten guilty people run free. We all see the undeniable facts and we all empathize with Karen. Even if she did it somehow she didn’t get a fair trial it was all biased. They aren’t giving her a fair chance now either
When I saw Brian Albert, Jen McCabe and Colin Albert sitting with the family at the end of this trial, made me nauseous....Brian Albert NEVER went out of his home when Paul's brother was lying out in his lawn...this is beyond believable
That was set up by Lally and approved by the Judge to attempt to intimidate the Jury or at the least influence them by their presence. Jen McCabe + Lally set it up. They were photographed smoking cigs talking outside the courthouse. She has her little hooks in everyone.
@BlackIrishBlonde691 The family was literally sitting with the devil.
When they woke up JOK was already in the hospital and was not there anymore
Exactly but they cared so much for his brother A FELLOW OFFICER
his "friends" didn´t even bother to attend the funeral.... Paul is a smalltown dumbo
Paul did his family no favors with this interview. He came off like the 'see no evil monkeys'. I had a hard time with my lack of empathy for the family until this interview. If they are willing to throw logic and evidence out the window to convict an innocent woman, they deserve no empathy.
He has every reason to believe what he believes. The FBI and a Federal Grand Jury cleared everyone from any involvement with JO's passing, a frame job and conspiracy. Then we have KR admitting to it at the time and during her arraignment.
@@Angee2009 Agree. Except John's dad seems like the only one with a brain.
He has BLINDERS on. His pure dislike of Karen caused him NOT to accept the experts of the Defense
It explains a lot about how the guilty holdouts got there.
What’s the most frustrating thing for me is someone knows. Someone knows the truth and won’t come forward.
Karen Read knows as she originally told everyone at the scene, but you’re right, she won’t come forward.
@@templeyoung2423yep
No neighbors were interviewed? I would think everyone would hear wheels screeching in reverse at 24 mph. I am amazed at how much ppl are willing to overlook.
They won't come forward because they don't want to go to prison. So they ripped up their basement, sold the house, got rid of their phones, etc. The sad thing to me is that *the O'Keefe's are protecting the very people who actually kiIIed him...all because **_they don't like her._* Brilliant thinking! If you loved your brother/son...then fight for a real investigation.
@@templeyoung2423not true and you know it. You’re just being a troll. Clearly you didn’t watch the trial. Otherwise you’d know she’s innocent.
The FBI usually supports the PROSECUTION!!! Not the DeFENSE. The fact that they support the defense’s theory in this case says a lot.
They dont support the defenses theory... They literally agree with all of the prosecutions experts and the cell phone data experts etc. The accident reconstructionist didnt have everything at the time they made this opinion...
Even the Feds are corrupt. In fact, it was Higgins the ATF agent who killed O'Keefe.
Exactly 💯 FBI with the defense.... and 1 officer out.??? When is the next 🤔?😮
@@calmingwavesxARCCA said on the stand “the additional information I became aware of doesn’t change my opinion. You can’t deny the physics and the science” did you watch the trial at all?
@@calmingwavesxthat's completely false. If that was true, why didn't the Commonwealth use the FBI experts to prove their case? If they aligned with the CW theory, as you said, don't you think it would make a whole lot of sense for them to call them, and not the defense?
This man paralysed an innocent person by hitting them at 24mph. And he thinks that Karen Read in a fit of rage reversed into John, leaving no physical evidence on the body? He of all people should realise that is impossible. And to top it off Karen was the one who bailed him out a few months before this happened. Where was his family then? The family used her all of them. Disgusting!!!! THE EVIDENCE DOES NOT SHOW HE WAS HIT BY A CAR!!!!!
🎯 LOUDER for the people in the back!! 🎯
Yes, they did. Also, John used her, too.
Where did you hear about this?
Yes, why wasn’t he asked about that
@@Salty-B-1978 You make a rational comparison.
Saying that the FBI never should have gotten Proctors cell phone is insane. Blaming the Massachusetts Attorney Joshua Levy for ethically carrying out his job is insane
@@iBlueClovr Levy has already taken down to major LEO crime rings.
Hes is seriously nuts 🙄
1. Her boyfriend died. Up all night. Probably on meds. Mom was blaming her for leaving him. Why stay?
2. Next day cops gaslighting her saying they have video of her hitting him!
3. Once they regrouped, realized what they were doing to her.
Aedan did not start speaking about this case until almost year later. Dont insult us saying we cant think for ourselves!.
Imagine taking a women's feelings of shock and pain seeing your bf dead as a guilt vibe!!!
@@GhostASMR225 it's very sad, but his reasoning is clouded by grief. He says Jen McCabe, the Alberts etc are long time family friends so they couldn't have killed her. But in intentional unalivings, it's VASTLY more likely to be friends or family that did it than someone you barely know.
@@silikon2 I agree! He also knew his brother gf! He acts like he didnt. She took care of the kids as well. It shocks me to think he doesnt know her better.
She initially did believe that she may have hit John because Jen McCabe of course saw the crack tail light it’s on video where she looked at it and then all the sudden that became what happened Karen ran in to Jean so when Karen initially was represented Mr. Genetti said it was a tragic accident because that is truly what Karen believed at that time but as the evidence began to come out and the injuries were not consistent with a vehicle accident the tail light was observed not broken but only
Cracked on a video that was taken on her way to the Albert home that morning and that video mysteriously disappeared the idea that 47 pieces of bright red tail light took over three weeks to be “recovered“ as they revealed themselves is ludicrous. The fact that there was no. Crime scene tape no grid search no home search all of the ring cameras were deleted or had gaps in one way or another and lastly if Karen really wanted to kill John O’Keefe would she do it on a cops lawn?
I highly doubt it
I'm sorry for his family but his reasons why he thinks she hurt JO is way off base. That is so far from evidence it's almost laughable. The prosecutors used this family to protect the Alberts. Disgusting.
Or Higgins...or all of them
Paul saying Karen would turn and smirk at him and yet we saw him leaning in and staring her down many times at the start of the trial. He got condemned for doing it and it sounds like this is his defense, like it never happened!!
He was being super harassing with her, he has no self awareness.
I get the feeling he was pretty nasty to her when she came to the house to see the kids and get her things. We don't know what they said to her or how they made her feel. Just watching his behavior in court, I would have cut ties with his family, too.
He's a lying PoS. I wish Jackson would have mentioned how just after John's body was placed on the lawn, Jennifer McCabe played the song 'It's Raining Men'. She is a psychopath with a sick sense of humour.
Him positioning himself to make eye contact with her so he could get a reaction is exactly what he wanted
@@lhr8833 It wasn't lost on me that he didn't step up to care for his nerves and nephew EITHER time.
If my brother (also a LEO) was killed & his GF, with him the night before, walked into his house, where my family was gathered … I’d BEG her for answers !! I’d welcome her family in, I’d 1st extend EVERY courtesy hoping for cooperation.
Something is just OFF.
Not necessarily. She doesn't seem like a nice person. Family knew the relationship was over. In the interview I saw, she seemed very contemptuous and jealous of him. She didn't seem sad at all or mention missing him or anything. She doesn't seem upset that he's dead. Only that she might get caught.
@@SDSueKSadly Paul O’Keefe sounded more like he is hell bent for revenge than justice for his brother. It also appears that he perjured himself when he testified that he liked Karen and thought she was good for John. If he can go from that testimony to this interview after sitting through 30 days of this trial, it’s not possible that he ever felt that way about her.
@@MF-cj4by I don't agree. But that's what's great about America.
When he started defending Proctor I lost any empathy I had for him. It is because of Proctor that even if Karen did it she will go free. And Proctor never even looked for anyone else. Does he even know how incredibly ignorant he sounds?
Karen is innocent
@@Sheila-hw4us 🤪🤪🤪🤪 And I’m a purple dinosaur.
@jill2066 Can I call you Barney? 😂 Your comment is so ridiculous, it only deserved a ridiculous response!
5 minutes into that news interview and I could tell that he was basically trying to convince the public that she was guilty before the next jury pool was picked for the follow-up court case
i suspect we'll be getting many more of these interviews to try to turn public support against Karen. Not sure how successful it will be given what we saw at trial, but hey there's still seem to be people stumping for Amber Heard so it could work. This is honestly one of the reasons why i'm concerned for the re-trial, it will be even more of a circus.
@@neotheseattledj he had to do the interview after publically threatening her in the courtroom. He didn't have to lie. You watch any day of the trial and that man is death staring Karen the whole time. His buddy got kicked out of the courthouse for body checking Karen in the hall.
I don't think so,, you would be upset if someone killed your bro. This guy seems very sincere and doesn't seem like a tit for tat kind of guy. Or they would have bashed her from the gate! If she had credibility with that family at all, they would have believed her and they know her demeanor and if she was out of context the next day, that means something!
When did Karen go from a melodramatic frantic " I did it!" To a calky bitch. Her initial response and statements were the truth scared as shit!
She said she did it, now why would she say differnt?
@@roostercogburn6469 Lets ask Paul. His DUI was right before John died. He trashed his vehicle at 24 mph and permanently paralyzed someone. He knows Karen didn't run over John. But she did bail his ass out of jail.
In honor of John O'Keef, I believe John would want to know the truth, evidence and justice (whatever happened to him) for him or any other victim. He wouldn't anyone falsely accused, unfairly protected or if it was all accidental, John would want the truth.
I know as a woman if my boyfriend died and i had no ties, no kids and he died and the family wouldn't let me see him in the hospital. I wouldn't think they would want ne around forever??????!!!!!!!
She was on a suicide hold, she wasn't just sitting in the waiting room
@@BleuKrewe she wasn’t on “suicide hold” . It’s not called that anyway. She was never put on suicide watch and she was never turned away from being there. WHERE do you nutcases get this crap?!
True True
How can he not have hate for his brothers supposed brother in blue not even bothering to come outside the whole time even when he is trained in first aid? I do not get it.
@@mistyevans8160 That is NOT true. That is a lie that keeps spreading just like all the other lies. If people started separating the lies from the truth, the truth would win and there wouldn't have to be a second trial.
He cannot see any wrong in the police because his brother was police and was a good man and therefore he’s been brainwashed into believing that all police are good men and women when in fact they are not so he will never criticize the police even if it is proven again by independent witnesses that John was beaten to death in that home or nearly to death and then left to die outside.
Jen McCabe and her Google search make absolutely no sense not only at 2:27 AM but at any time because why on earth when you see a man who is beaten and bloody and covered in vomit with a goose egg on the front of his head to black eyes and a broken nose why would you question whether or not hypothermia caused his death?
You wouldn’t Karen wouldn’t because she would’ve had no idea how long John had been outside except for the fact that Jen McCabe lied to her and told her John never came in the house. We know that’s a lie because John’s phone was on his person and magically shows him taking the exact Number of steps to enter the Albert home and descend into the basement the exact number of steps that it took him to pirouette across the lawn. This man is traumatized and he has never considered that a cop would not be like his cop his brother
Johnny was a good cop and a good man and so is Paul but he has been lied to and he’s confused and it’s terribly sad for everyone involved😢
12 people will never say that she is guilty
From your lips to God 's ears!
Exactly. If this goes to trial again it is a waste of tax payer money. The DA should swallow its pride and admit that the investigation was inadequate and they lack the evidence required to secure a conviction. There is no more evidence for them to get. While the FBI can probably release more evidence against possible third party culprit(s). So much more phone data to come out from the Alberts, Higgins and Julie Nagel.
That’s unfortunate. Isn’t that what Jodi Arias, Michelle Troconis, Jessy Kurczewski and so many others thought. All lying murderers.
My partner is also the type to say “I’ll take the kids, I’ll take their friends and the homeless refugee as well” but will do no dishes, no laundry, no parenting. Just saying he doesn’t need have been a saint nor does karen a sweet heart- this come down to evidence,, and the evidence says he wasn’t hit by a car. The unfairness is no real investigation was done to get real justice
And that is who they should be mad at, the police department!
Well said.
true. He got the credit, she did the work. He went out drinking and cheating.
Well said. Perspective is everything until you hear the evidence. The evidence here was mishandled and misinterpreted woefully. John and his family and the people of Canton deserve so much better than this.
I’ve said the exact same thing, yes he died tragically, that doesn’t mean he was a saint. Karen also took on a parenting role of children not even related to her. She homeschooled them during lockdown, and even with my own kids, who I adore more than life itself, that was a horrendously tough time.
And why doesn’t this family recognize that Karen was raising 2 teenagers that weren’t hers (or her bfs) and that John wasn’t an angel to her? That is terrible that she gets no credit! And the kids are hearing their family bad mouth her! They are probably so confused! So sad! She is the only mom they know!
She called those innocent children his effing kids. Not the Motherly type. I’m sure the kids would tell you what type of person she is. Like they say “out of the mouths of babes”
@kel-e1488 ; KR is the only mother they knew?! WTH are you talking about?! She was in their lives for less than two years. He knew her way before they were born. She didn’t give a crap about the kids and basically said so in as many ways as she possibly could have. Guess you didn’t watch the trial..?
ehhh.. raising them? weren't they only together like 2 years?
It sounds to me like she spent a lot of time and her own resources helping him with kids that werent his. I think she wasnt appreciated.
When he shows sympathy for Collin Albert that’s when I couldn’t listen to him anymore!
RIGHT!????? That little dude showed his guilt thru his answers and his major attitude!!!!!!
Same!!
I get how he feels.. but science & physics doesn't prove he was hit by a car!
Exactly, and explain the dog bites Paul.
@@shonta He didn’t feel so bad when he almost killed someone while driving drunk, and Karen paid his bail. I’m losing sympathy for this guy and I hate feeling like that.
She didn't pay anything, all lies.
No dog bites.
@@Jack-bc5xgnot ALL are lies -HE DID HIT & PARALYZE SOMEONE
He death stared at her the entire trial. If looks could kill she’d be dead. He closed his brain off from the truth. He could hear nothing, just death staring at Karen. It’s Disgusting.
SHE was disgusting. Her laughing and disrespect for all of them…🤮
@@barbaramay1866 every single person in that courtroom laughed at some point. She is innocent. The whole case was laughable. A ridiculous waste of taxpayer dollars. They chose Karen and plowed forward regardless of the facts.
IKR. If he had a minute alone with her I think he’d have his hands around her neck before he could even try to stop himself. And this is why we don’t let families of victims be jury, judge and executioner. Heightened emotions lead to irrational reactions. No way the defences case doesn’t get stronger every trial as they dig deeper into phone records of others around that night. While the prosecutions case doesn’t have any more evidence to find. Except maybe text messages between KR and her dad
@@barbaramay1866such a dumb comment. 🙄
true. He is just as disgusting as Proctor or Buckache
"What if you found out that it really wasn't Karen? What if you found out that the cops who have put themselves so close to you were actually the people who murdered your brother?"
I wish she had asked him, "What evidence would you need to see in order to change your view on KR's guilt?" Because I am wondering if anything would cause him to change his judgement.
But it was lol.
@@theshermanclan If the laws of physics don't change peoples' minds, and the fact that the medical examiners had doubt (!!!) about his cause of death don't suggest reasonable doubt, none of these people are ever going to believe anything other than the fairy tales they tell themselves are the truth.
@@stevenprice6957how? All the factual evidence showed Karen could not have done it, as in she’s innocent without a doubt. It’s a fact
It's so sad how misguided this man is, and it's not just sad for Karen Read who is being robbed of the best years of her life.
Grief has turned this family into perpetrators. Once they realise this, they will be even more heartbroken.
There's nothing that Paul can say thats going to change my mind on if Karen did it. The Feds said that John's injuries were not from being hit by a car and the damages to Karen's car were not from hitting John.
The main people did in fact lie. He IS hanging out with the people who are likely the ones who murdered his brother.
I feel bad for them but they don't want the truth. They want Karen to be the one who did it and goes to jail while the real killers go free and hug Paul O'Keefe. I doubt this case will be taken to court again.
I went into this blind. I had no opinion on anything because I hadn't heard of the case before trial day 1. I was ready to watch her be guilty. That changed to a solid not guilty.
Kerry also said it wasn’t Karen's idea to go to 34f it was Jennifer McCabe's idea to go there. Jennifer demanded that they go there. That 2:27am Google search.. why if she didn't know. I've never said anything bad about any of these people but something happened in that house or at that house and every step they took makes them look guilty.
He is absolutely ignoring the FBI experts because of his anger and not wanting to believe that his friends killed his brother, it's easier to pin it on the girl, the outsider.
The public supports the innocent! If he doesn't like it that's too damn bad. The public was ready to hang her so to speak. Now we know the facts, the science, and we understand physics. Apparently, Paul doesn't.
Well said. I was in the same boat as you. I just can't believe that anyone on the jury thought she was guilty after all the evidence.
This blows my mind. They really do have tunnel vision. They are going after the wrong person when the real culprits were in that house. Dude look at the evidence. Your brother was not hit by a car.
While I have empathy for Paul, I saw the evidence presented and disagree. Then he claims Karen smirked throughout the trial at him, maybe, I wasn't there. But the cameras were on her more than the witnesses and I never saw that. Then trying to play off the FKR people outside were directing vitriol at him and his family I find disingenuous. Unless he is claiming the Albert's as his family. Then doesn't recognize that the statement he made to Ms. Reed could very well be taken as a threatening statement is hypocritical at the very least. So only he and his mother are victims? FKR movement is ALL about justice for John O'Keefe!
Smirking doesn't mean you're guilty. If you're innocent, you might feel attacked. You might feel the urge to get them back. A smirky smile might make you feel better.
I WOULD be compassionate. But guess what? He really DID HIT someone with his car at 24 mph when HE WAS DRUNK. And PARALYZED THEM FOR LIFE. Who bailed him out? Why, KAREN OF COURSE
So he should know exactly what happens in that situation, and realize that John’s injuries don’t add up at all
I wish the reporter would have asked him about that. "So, Paul, when you had that accident where you paralyzed someone, what injuries did they have?"
What a disgusting lie to be spreading around.
@@barbaramay1866if you’re talking about Paul hitting someone while drunk, it’s 100% true. I’ve seen the police report. The other person sustained significant injuries.
@@ashleydaige4193where? On Reddit? It’s BS
I wonder what “vibe” Karen got from the O’Keefs that morning causing her to say ,” you’ll never see me again “. Perhaps they weren’t making her feel comfortable to be there!
Multiple family members testified that Peggy O'Keefe blamed John's death on Karen for not attending the party with him to her face in the hospital. You don't have to guess. They openly admitted to making her uncomfortable.
Note the obvious contradiction in his reasoning: Karen getting away from these people fast proves she did it... and her wanting the tiny courtroom so she would be really close to them proves she did it.
Momma Peggy was blaming her for leaving John there
Yup definitely one sided!
Total tunnel vision from his family. The reasons he gave for thinking Karen did this are so vague and frankly ridiculous. She was traumatized too!!
"Proctor's phone shouldn't have been taken." Well HE SHOULDN'T have illegally seized Karen's phone. Which contained priviliged attorney/client communication. Ughhhh! I can't with this guy!!
Or car without a warrant that evening.
The media stands right behind Paul Okeefe and facing Karen. Funny how nobody ever caught her doing this. He lied. He stated " I'm not f'ing done with you yet".
He is lauding Proctor a victim which shows you what type of person he is. Using your brother's death to gain sympathy in order to push lies is gross.
John had good friends. Very close friendships with a great group of guys. None of John's friends support the okeefes. They want justice for their friend and they know Karen didn't do this. They are supporting Karen's side. So, yes his circle got very small.
Another point is the GJ which heard cherrypicked evidence and lies from the witnesses in that house who murdered John. Paul's upset that the FBI wanted justice for his brother and launched an investigation which found that John wasn't hit by a car. It's not an opinion. It's scientifically proven with physics and mathematical equations. Why isn't paul demanding to know the subjects of the 2 male DNA profiles found on his brothers pants? I'm sorry they are using John's death to spread lies and get sympathy. I know this family and John was the only good human. Paul Okeefe drove drunk and crashed into a man paralyzing him. This happened not even a year before John's death. He couldn't afford his bail and had to ask Karen. It has been told that Karen put all the kids money in trusts so that the family could not touch it and they are pissed she won't change that.
@@destroycorruption569 Beautifully written.
Best comment.
It says a lot the father O’Keefe is reluctant to lash out at KR! Seems like he has sense of sight!
Wow! Where did you hear about the two make DNA profiles on John O'Keefe's pants?!? I missed that! Also where did you hear about KR helping Paul with bail money?
I highly doubt it was KR that had power of attorney to say where the money for the kids went.
20 min into the video and so far the journalist hasn't asked a single probing question. She is just there as a mouthpiece to further the narrative of JO's family.
Yes indeed. Shameful
And oogling over paul. 🤢
As opposed to all the media supporting Karen.
and the commonwealth's narrative too
@@crippledalien5937 what outlets are stumping for karen? the legacy media outlets seem more in-line with the CW. The only really pro outlets I see are youtube channels and these get written off by media outlets as fringe supporters/crazy conspiracy theorists
Paul’s words are empty. Nothing to back up what he says. No evidence, just like the CW. He feels bad for Proctor and Colin?!?! I had no respect for him prior to this interview, I think less of him now.
John’s mom was yelling at Karen at the hospital WHY DID U LEAVE HIM THERE!! And John’s dad said that’s enough Peggy the girl gas already been Thur enough
Maybe she acted “weird” that morning because she felt responsible in terms of leaving him that night, in the sense of “if I hadn’t dropped him off, he would have been fine”
His mom came to claim her for leaving him there, a 45yrs old man. They say about her, but don’t say how they treated her since the first minute.
Right - a loved one of mine passed away just before going into the hospital. Like days before. He was refusing to go in any earlier because he hated hospitals. But he was confused and it was obvious he was very unwell. We just had no idea how badly. We thought there was no harm in allowing him to wait, and not stress him further. I still feel guilt and responsibility years on for not pushing harder. Of course, objectively it is not my fault. In retrospect it was obvious to see how bad things were. But at the time, it truly seemed that we would be able to get him into hospital and be treated. I'm sorry for the rambling answer. My point is, even if it isn't rational at all, it is totally possible to feel responsible even if you absolutely are not.
One thing you learn about death is everyone grieves in different ways. Karen's relationship with john had been strained for a while and she was probably going to leave him soon anyways, his untimely death likely accelerated the death of their relationship. Her desire to distance herself from the family and john was likely already well established before the death. Voicing that desire might have been poor timing but again grief affects everyone differently. he see's her desire to leave as a sign she was running but it could be that she just wanted to be alone to grieve. They're not her family, they're his, so she may not have wanted to grieve with them. Who knows how they were going to grieve with her there, they might have taken their feelings out on her. As he clearly stated he suspected her right away without any evidence.
Yes hungover & regretting her texts & judgement Also sounds like she was attacked by his mother immediately. Felt unwelcome in what had been a home with John so no John means no family connection.
I wish Jackson would have mentioned how just after John's body was placed on the lawn, Jennifer McCabe played the song 'It's Raining Men'. She is a psychopath with a sick sense of humour.
Is it conspiracy when the lead investigator is being investigated by Internal Affairs AND the FBI??? 🤔🤔
Yes!
Two grand juries and witnesses gave different testimony in those hearings than they gave at trial, particularly Jen McCabe, Brian Albert, Higgins and Proctor.
Yes, it's a true conspiracy, not a conspiracy theory.
¹❤❤😊@@johnkuncho7239
Well, yes, the conspirators in a conspiracy are the bad guys, not anyone theorizing about a conspiracy.
If the victims of tragedy decided who was guilty a lot of innocent people would go to prison really quickly. This bias is EXACTLY why we need a justice system.
SPOT ON!!
As usual ignoring what the man actually said. Unlike you and the rest of the cult, he knows the people involved including Read. He has actually met them and knows their character. None of you who throw around your half asked theories and call these people names have wver met any of them.
@@oiooi6460 YOU ignored what the man said, he said he knew she was guilty on the same day. before there was a cause of death, before any evidence was gathered he had already decided she did it. that's bias.
@i.870 she had just killed his brother for goodness sake. Give the man a break
@@oiooi6460 now you’re just insulting anyone that disagrees with you. Saying we’re a cult. No not a cult. Did Paul or you for that matter listen to what was said during the trial. I know I did and KR did not hit him with her car.
The most hate IMO, came from Proctor's comments towards KR when she was a person of interest/suspect. His "personal" cell phone was filled with evidence of his bias towards her from the start, along with his loyalty to his police buddies sharing his thoughts about evidence with (as well as group chat friends) that made his entire investigation as "lead detective" baseless. His comments weren't just unprofessional. His behavior was. (How about drinking and driving in his cruiser while on a 😉 cold case). It was his personal bias for ONLY looking at her for John O'keefe's murder. Despite ME's findings. Obvious dog bite/s with Chloe being rehomed and, the snow plow driver not seeing a body when John's body should have been there and seen. Solo cups to collect evidence, butt dials, deleted calls, phones thrown out, and more...So much reasonable doubt. Hope the FBI uncovers evidence that will show up before the retrial.
I didn't pay any attention to this case until the trial started. Then, I listened to the evidence. As every day passed, I was more convinced that nothing showed that Karen had killed John, even by accident. I don't know who did, but I have to say that the way John's friends acted was bizarre and was never explained. Everything about the evidence collection was so amateure you would believe they never watched a "cop" show. Kids know correct evidence collection better than this. Then the dog, going up and down stairs, rehoming the dog, selling the house,?!? Then, the incompetence of the state police. I was shocked that they even brought the case.
I feel very sorry for John's family. Their story is tragic, but it doesn't take a "conspiracy theory" to know that Karen is innocent. If they are not open to all evidence they will never find peace. I do think it was not a good move for Karen to go anywhere near John's family after the end of the trial, and it would be strange for her to look at them. Why would anyone discount a legal reason for the change of courtroom? Paul sounded like they didn't come to find justice, but only for Karen to be convicted no matter what the evidence. For me, the prosecution case was not credible.
I have lived in several states, including Massachusetts, and would not ever live there again. It matters very much where you live. New England is very beautiful, but it is the most closed and clannish place I have ever lived. If you are from somewhere else you will never be accepted. People there will believe their friends to the end, so the verdict and John's family's reaction did not surprise me at all. Even the brother making excuses for Procter and the deficiencies in the case is not surprising for that culture. Karen was an outsider, so no allowance would ever be given to her. If she had married John she would always be the outsider. It's a different world. Even if she is eventually found not guilty, Karen will have to move out of New England to live a normal life. I feel very sorry for all of them.
Kind of like New Jersey
I do feel bad for them and KR
Same here. I didn't know beans about this case until the trial started. There was no evidence that convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt, that she was responsible, much less that her intent was to do something like that.
Everyone at the bar said they were affectionate with each other.
Very well said...thank you.
no one cares
Putting the pieces together - this is Jen McCabe language
I don’t think the O’Keefe family should be attacked. I think they’re in denial. But I will say, by the end of this interview, I felt he was being their mouthpiece and was prepped for this interview. They can believe that Karen in guilty, but also acknowledge that Proctor was out of line and that the investigation, especially collecting blood evidence in solo cups, was unacceptable. The fact he saw no issues with any of that makes it clear that they would never be open minded to any other possibility than Karen being responsible.
Exactly
I agree
He also denies and ignores the attacks the prosecution, DA and police put on Karen from the beginning. They told the public they had ring footage of her reversing into John. And also his own staring her down in court, like it never happened. Yet we all saw it.
Oh please, I believe she did it!! You, people, people are followers and are blind because of this! This is why our justice system is broken!
Bring it. I’m all for the victim family having a voice Finally
Ive noticed that the people who think Keren is guilty goes by the only fact she is a high confidence woman. They mostly comment about the way she looks, her face, her expressions and they simply dont like her. Maybe she is arrogant but it doesnt make her guilty. And the people who believe she is not guilty are going by the evidence of the case
Its kinda wild that Paul wanted Karen to be more empathetic and sympathetic but she wasnt afforded that when it comes to her behavior. People act nuts sometimes during traumatic events. Its not always good to trust your gut feelings. Especially over actual facts. Its hard to do though.
I can’t believe he’s basing KR’s guilt based on how a (still) intoxicated woman, IN SHOCK, was behaving a few hours after her boyfriend’s death.
He clearly said it was not only this but her behaviour solidified it.
@@ElenaG-k6l she the only one who know how they treated her. They also spoke with the troopers and EMS at the hospital so they already formed their opinions on that she did it.
He got into a DUI wreck himself(had a .30 bac) and paralyzed someone… guess who bailed him out, Karen!!!
@@KARENKERR-ik8bm they formed opinion based on Karen's statement that she did it and her tail light at the scene. Also, as Paul said that Karen's lawyer stated at the start that "this was a tragic accident and she had no intention to kill him' but after changed her story.
@@wolfpecker5710 no he didn’t paralyze someone! Stop spreading lies. This is a lie and if you’re a good and honest person you will remove the post. There is ZERO evidence of PERMANENT paralysis. It is a procedural requirement to put a geriatric patient in a cervical neck collar (c-spine collar) in a motor-vehicle collision. The lack of sensation/neuropathy to the extremities is EXTREMELY common in auto incidents due to twisting and compression of spinal nerves (think sleeping wrong on your neck and getting a “dead arm”). However, this is nearly ALWAYS ACUTE, meaning it subsides. You cannot glean permanent paralysis from ONLY available public report/the police report, which I read, taken at the scene, because it takes days, weeks, years to determine that. Should he have driven drunk? No. Should you be spreading or perpetuating/continuing salacious lies that he he permanently paralyzed someone? Also no. Will you be a big person and say “oh I’m sorry, I was wrong and didn’t realize? I’m guessing also no but we’ll see
Look what gaslighting does to someone. The family was gaslit from day 1!
Id rather be with my parents than spouses family. Sorry not sorry. I CALL BULL ON HIS COMMENT - she smirked at him. All he did was glare at her every day. And a witness heard you say "Im not done with you yet". Its all poor me/us about Karen making some wise choices - I wouldnt look at anyone on prosecutions side either. Why did he sit next to her then, instead of his own mom if it was uncomfortable. She went to hug her parents afterwsrd...unlike him. This is too disgusting, cant even finish watching this dupe.
100% if Karen already knew that the O'Keffe family didn't like her, and she is a overly paranoid person as we've seen. There is no way she was hanging around after John died....she also had her own issues with the family and the lack of help they gave to her and John with the kids. Her leaving and saying goodbye isn't a shock to me. And I get it, they've been lied to, that's hard to believe when it's your "friends" it's 10x harder!
This!!
It’s truly amazing to see people making up reasons and excuses for her strange behavior.
@@jackieblue6116I would like to see you in this situation 😊
Wasn’t KR friends with the sister in law ???
Karen was told by the CW she was not allowed to have contact with the Okeffes
My heart goes out to the O'Keefe family. But lets be honest, this was not an actual news "interview". It was a fluff piece. There was no journalistic impartiality.
Yes this was for the future jury
@@margaretkaine3001hopefully meantime Jackson and Yanetti are discovering new evidence.
Exactly that "reporter" was ridiculous!!
It was a slanted interview, but I don't think that's crazy considering the context.
The interviewer/production could genuinely not want to grill or push back on a grieving family member of the victim. Or they could just view it as a bad PR move to do so.
Plus, I think if I were the interviewer, I'd expect any pushback would result in the brother just up and leaving.
People who are for Karen Reed are doing the same thing there accusing the O'Keefe family of doing only seeing what they want to see. Karen's own Father on national television Karen said she thinks she hit something I believe she did it. She dated this man and she has no remorse her story keeps changing.
The lead investigator on JO's case is being investigated by the FBI and his own IA and the FBI's investigators/accident reconstructionists said his body and her vehicle prove she didn't hit him but, JO's brother still believes MSP did this right? He's practically saying he thinks she did it because of a hunch! My God, man, don't you want the REAL answers to what happened to your brother that night? Not your gut feelings, but HARD EVIDENCE and FACTS? I feel bad for JO's family but, this is not the way. It's like a shark bites a human so everyone goes out on their boats and kills the nearest shark but it's not the right shark. I'd want the TRUTH, not just an enemy to blame but THE enemy... The right enemy. Makes me sad, angry and frustrated.
"We got to know the Alberts through this" THAT speaks volumes. This poor family. John was a cop found on another cops lawn said cop wouldn't even come outside to see if this person could be helped. And another cop ruined the investigation by not doing one
They didn’t pay the experts. That was clear in court.
So because she didn't stay at John's, that makes her guilty to them?? She was supposed to go home the night before?? I'm sure.
They were looking at her suspiciously immediately. I wouldn't stay there either.
John intentionally moved his Traverse out of the garage before going out so her Lexus could park in the garage, because Karen was planning on staying the night he was killed. Paul is saying her behavior & words were odd to him in light of what was happening that morning. John had just tragically died hours before, he had been with Karen that night & she was the one who found him. Suspicious behavior led to suspicion, not the other way around imo.
For her to say she'd never speak with them again makes sense to me. If JO is no longer around, why would she keep in touch? Also, she wasn't liked. She was grieving also. Of course she'd want to be with her own family, not his. Did she owe them something at that point? I don't think so.
I cant stand the OKeefe - the think they are the center of planet earth.
Karen had 💯 right to be with her OWN people who loves and respect her.
The Okeefe used her and they know it!
Didn’t JO’s mother abuse her or blame her that day?? She was admitted sect12 (sorry I’m from Aust not sure of correct terminology), said she was going to Unalive herself, did the hospital give her a sedative or something? But the family made up there mind then because she wasn’t talking, surely after 2 great loses they would know about shock & everyone grieves differently (ie disassociating/shut down - that’s what I do😞), plus she was very unwell at the time as stated in evidence (her & Johns texts), maybe she was upstairs on the toilet 🤷♀️. In the end we will never know because the ‘investigation’ was completely botched, the O’Keefe’s should be just as angry at that because that’s the reason they wont see justice (regardless of who did it)😢
I thought exactly the same thing.
Pete, thanks so much for covering this interview. I feel so bad for the O'Keefe family but there was too much reasonable doubt.
I can’t believe he accepts that bad police investigation was ok for his brother’s death.
I agree, very sad.
Totally agree. You would think that the O'Keefe family would be totally pissed with the prosecutions arguments and how ineffective his case, and losing arguments were. He was a very weak attorney and I would not want him representing me in any matter whatsoever.
And for Paul to defend Proctor makes you question Paul,s morals! Also, who can trust anything Proctor has ever done? He is a snake in the ground.
They WANT it to be Karen because they never liked her. They don’t want to see the truth. They’re in denial.
Right ajd I think it's funny when TB messaged Paul online on John O Keefe's page and he was like we will see what the evidence shows....then for him to still sit there and think that that is BS!
Oh please 😂they know het!
Mr. O'Keefe loved her. Thought she was an angel. They went to church together on Sundays 😢
You don’t know what you’re talking about. They liked KR. Don’t jump to conclusions
@MADNESS084 Peg O'Keefe was mad because OJO was the kids guardian & Karen helped him with raising the kids so OJO didn't need to rely on others as much including her. If things were great why did OJO call her Peg?
I hate when people say we KNOW what happened. NO, YOU DON'T. And there is no proof to corroborate the story they tell. I'm sorry, but it sounds so idiotic. And "when" they figured it out is so stupid. Grief "vibes" don't make someone guilty of murder. It's disgusting of him to do this. My brother was killed by a cop when he was 17 and we still don't know what actually happened and it was 22 years ago
And by Karen saying "bad times" I think she was just so messed up from everything, she said it wrong. Her saying they will never talk again is probably because they all knew the relationship wasn't in a great position already, so she assumed they wanted nothing to do with her. For him to say she needed to be more sad, everyone grieves differently so what's really sad is him saying stuff like that
😢
@@Mommin_Aint_Eazy I've gone out with many women and barely knew her family that lived far away. When I broke up I did not go live with her parents that I barely knew. So what Karen did was kind of normal. She was with John not her brother etc. They were not even married. Seems pretty normal to me given the situation. Not her family, not her kids. Did any of they say "Please stay Karen we love you don't go" I think Paul is brainwashed.
So sorry for your loss 🙏
Exactly the same right back at you. The simps for killer Karen is embarrassing.
Can we talk about the fact that Kerry testified when they brought the mom to see John in the hospital she was accusing Karen of the murder so they were against her from the jump
Yeah she needed to blame Karen from the jump because she never dealt with her boys being alcoholics and the issues they had, that lead to this, from their childhood. She was their mother, not Karen who became the perfect scapegoat for their pain.
Probably because before arriving to the scene KR already said he was dead. And she ran straight to him covered in snow in the dark. Because she knew she’d hit him. How else would she believe he was dead?! Guilty
Because MCCABE AND KERI ALREADY GOT TO HER
@annie2263 there is something about Jen that I just don't trust, not at all.
@@templeyoung2423 of course she ran to him in the snow. How could you miss a six foot 2 man in the front yard. You people act like the front yard is the size of football field. It’s not. It’s small. The pictures don’t do it Justice. Takes mere seconds to walk from one side of the yard to the other. Of all of the talking points I think this one is the dumbest. Which begs the question why did Five people leave that party and not see John in the yard? Because he wasn’t there.
He’s not telling the full story of his interaction with Karen. It’s clear they didn’t like her and probably told her so. So why would you want a relationship with all people who hate you? John is dead and she doesn’t have to put up with their b.s. That’s just my opinion. I hope the family gets therapy and faces the reality that Karen is not guilty. Their hate is only making them further suffer.
not to mention, if she didn't kill him, she's probably blaming THEM for his death. maybe not blaming his brother, but blaming people at that one house. Also, if people are beginngin to blame HER then she's gonna pick up on THOSE vibes, and of course she's gonna be awkward. Not to mention her significant other just DIED.
@@Sleepingsparklegirl sadly accurate
I hope the family sues her for wrongful death...she now thinks she's going to make money off of this travesty..
@@anitabee57she's worth $1-$2M, already. She's a PhD in Finance. Work for Fidelity Investments and teaches finance in college.
🎉that’s true it was a fair and honest trial!
Paul O'Keefe should know first hand what it's like to be smashed at 24mph on a DUI, so does his paralized victim.
Therefore he should recognize that his bro was not hit by a vehicle.
As a journalist I am embarrased by this interview. She clearly promised no tough questions and then added little comments that she has no business making. She needs to be fair and balanced and this is horrible journalism
Absolutely true!
Yeh, not even invitations to express things differently. I know that sometimes yes you do sense something from "the vibes" but he needs to be able to break that down and tiny actions that might have given him vibes, he needs to be able to articulate that. Eg, I tried to look at her expecting our pain to resonate in that moment we held each others eyes, but... she looked away, quickly, awkwardly. She wouldn't look at me. Not even for a moment.
Make us understand why he concluded that she did it
Great you saying that. I was just waiting for them to discuss interior design and baking
Terrible interviewer and bias
Those people in the pink. She is not doing journalism she’s pushing an agenda
It sounds like this man is under the Albert influence as well. He can’t be that thick. Why doesn’t he want the actual truth, no matter where it leads?
Keep in mind the police said to the press that they had video of the accident. She was so confused she believed them, until it turned out to be a lie.
When you are in shock it is hard to remember but the police can and do lie when questioning you. Always have a lawyer!
Good point
Keep in mind that if you keep making excuses for Karen Read for EVERYTHING that’s weird, every lie, etc, she just may get away with murder. How proud you would be.
@@barbaramay1866well according to the evidence she didn’t commit murder…soooooo how would she get away with something she didn’t…actually…do
The FBI’s reconstruction experts testimony that JO’s injuries were not consistent with being struck by vehicle is much more valuable evidence than the behavior he describes. Many things could explain her behavior….But as the expert witness maintained, you can’t deny the science.
Something Paul left out was they had yelled at Karen and told her it was her fault she left John at the party. That is why she gathered her things and left.
Proof of that?
@@Ji5-24 If you look back at statements you can find it.
@@Ji5-24it’s a fact.
Google is your friend.
Oh wait. You already know that Jen McCabe.
@@kristenpino4635 something this video left out was the fact Yannetti stated it was an accident! At Karen’s initial arraignment. The conspiracy came when Jackson joined the team. He believes Karen hit him because…Karen hit him.
@@crippledalien5937 Yanneti stated that when Police claimed they had a video showing she hit John. Meanwhile later.. we find out, Police lied, no such video ever existed.
FBI needs to investigate this entire case
You have no clue what you’re even talking about
I watched this trial every day…I never saw Karen Read even look in the direction of Paul or his wife?!! I don’t believe she was looking at him and smirking. If she wasn’t looking at the witness, she was looking back at her family. It’s very sad for him and his family but they are so convinced of what they think happened, they are not seeing the whole picture.
Same. PO was glaring at her the entire time. She and Yanetti swapped seats at one point, I'm thinking probably so he could partially shield her from some the menacing glares. I was worried he was gonna jump the rail and physically attack her!
You saw (or in this case, didn't see) what you wanted to see. I watched every day as well, and she 'looked in that direction' COUNTLESS times--like, *every* 'time' she chatted with Yanetti each day. Yet, having no personal vantage point due to the camera angle, you make this laughable 100% false statement. 🙄
@@LizInTheB 🤣 I’m sorry but I did not see her smirking at him?!!! I saw Paul staring her down with his “built up hatred looking face” all the time! He is angry and bitter…and the reason he knows she did it is ridiculous! Your delusional also 🙄
@@cocomojo310 It's *you're and you're a myopic victim-blaming mess who sees what you want to see, regardless of logic or reason. Toodles!
@@cocomojo310 it’s “you’re delusional “ as in you’re delusional. You whack jobs that ignore ALL of the evidence of KR’s guilt, clearly didn’t elementary school English classes:-/