Nurburgring Hot Hatch Battle - Clio 197 vs. 306 GTi6

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  • @rhysowen5595
    @rhysowen5595 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Couldn't take my eyes off the footwork, especially the Pug's. Amazing. I wish I could drive like that. I feel like my 197 doesn't get used properly.

  • @cemsarioglu5947
    @cemsarioglu5947 6 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    Wow pure old school hot hatch fun. I love the NA engines ain’t a turbo fan myself. Congrats.

    • @CamberandCombustion
      @CamberandCombustion  6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thanks Cem, sometimes you can’t beat a good bit of NA!

  • @jrr667
    @jrr667 5 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    In my opinion the 306's chassis is one of the best of its time. The clio seems to handle a bit like a 205 with massive oversteer. Great driving to both, with regards to the 306's driver. Cheers from France :)

    • @andriisjuozelskis2156
      @andriisjuozelskis2156 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep agree about 306 had 1.8 on twisty bits just perfect handling

  • @Johnacles
    @Johnacles 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Great video! Left foot braking in the 306 in on point!

  • @yellowledbutter
    @yellowledbutter 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Lovely to see these little croissants getting driven on their door handles :)

  • @z06dave
    @z06dave 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    That was awesome driving from both. Just shows anyone can enjoy a race driver feel even with cheap hot hatches.

  • @testacorsa150
    @testacorsa150 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    This was awesome to watch, and it makes me miss my old 306 even more. I bought it to race on the ring, but it was too worn out and had to go. Sadly in Denmark they are so rare, and only one is currently for sale - yes one as in 1! Mine was a ph1, and I want one of those again! RIGHT NOW lol

    • @CamberandCombustion
      @CamberandCombustion  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! The GTi6 is getting rarer by the day, even more so the Ph1s!

    • @kayzenl7911
      @kayzenl7911 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      In France you can found it

  • @maXXik1337
    @maXXik1337 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Those camera switches between cars are great. Footwork aswell, some real driving skills right there.

  • @simondanylyk9256
    @simondanylyk9256 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Takes me back to my xsara vts. Absolutely sick

  • @ej22_gc86
    @ej22_gc86 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is inspiring:)
    I’m too young to drive a real car (though sometimes I get the chance to drive for a bit in the country) but this only encourages me to get a car with a manual when I’m old enough
    Now I wish I can sort my dusty G27’s software out...

  • @MonsterrPL
    @MonsterrPL 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is hell of a driving! Nice, shows why we love hothatches!

  • @mmelling4410
    @mmelling4410 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Absolutely love how this video's been made.epic 😎😎😎😎

  • @thebikerepairshopformby
    @thebikerepairshopformby 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nice driving boys, great pedal work 👍

  • @fluflon
    @fluflon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Le gars en 306 pilote bien mieux que l’autre avec ca clio belle vidéo

  • @LincolnRobinson
    @LincolnRobinson 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve owned two 6s and always wondered what the 197 was like. Clearly not in the same league! Awesome vid! Great driving

  • @petejupp7654
    @petejupp7654 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great drive by both of you yet again. Great vid also. 👍

  • @sebastienloriau8942
    @sebastienloriau8942 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    awesome ! now that's what I call having real fun ! great great video. I had a good time watching it.

  • @sergiotrescientoseis6725
    @sergiotrescientoseis6725 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    244/5000
    Boys!!!! I love your comparison, I am from Spain I currently own a 306 GTI-6 and in its day I was about to buy a clio sport 197 I really liked your video! Thank you very much for sharing your experience.

    • @CamberandCombustion
      @CamberandCombustion  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We're glad you enjoyed the video Sergio. We'll be uploading more featuring the 2 cars soon!

    • @sergiotrescientoseis6725
      @sergiotrescientoseis6725 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      By the way, at the end of the circuit when the 306 overtakes the clio. the clio loosen gas I suppose not?
      I'm glad that soon you get more and I really like your piloting! especially that point heels
      Keep going :)

    • @CamberandCombustion
      @CamberandCombustion  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes at the end the Clio let off the accelerator to let the 306 pass. The acceleration of the cars is very very close!
      Thanks for your support!

    • @sergiotrescientoseis6725
      @sergiotrescientoseis6725 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Soys fantastic, By the way I liked the BMW Driving too!
      keep going! Thank you so much for sharing it!
      A greeting.

    • @LorenzoClara97
      @LorenzoClara97 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Camber and Combustion have you ever tried a 106 rallye/gti 16v or a saxo vts 16v?
      What is yout best btg time with the 306? Its is way too prone to lift off oversteer or it is manageable on high speed turns?

  • @igorczubacki2713
    @igorczubacki2713 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would love to get skills like You guys, cheers

  • @mortyst290
    @mortyst290 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Both brilliant hot hatches, I was that enthralled I nearly slavered on the screen😂😂😂

  • @gusmodelmaker
    @gusmodelmaker 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Props to the Clio-driver for adjusting its dashboard-clock to the local time over there *sorry for the troll*

  • @kennysaunderson5971
    @kennysaunderson5971 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love my gti6, had it for 15 years.

  • @yellowledbutter
    @yellowledbutter 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    GTi6 looks lighter on its feet but 197 looks a bit more composed - 6:35 being a case in point :) :)

  • @off-roadrcaddict4572
    @off-roadrcaddict4572 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid. Did this in my Renault modus 1.2 turbo and kicked ass lol

  • @JamesHurd
    @JamesHurd 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That looked a lot of fun guys great driving :D

  • @julio_ae112
    @julio_ae112 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    is the 306 passive rear steering enable or disable? great driving!

    • @CamberandCombustion
      @CamberandCombustion  6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Julio Isnard thanks! In this video the rear steering is enabled. In the recent Nurburgring videos from April this year it is disabled.

    • @ryanmarshall3749
      @ryanmarshall3749 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CamberandCombustion how do you enable it and disable it?

    • @CamberandCombustion
      @CamberandCombustion  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ryanmarshall3749 by swapping the rubber components (which flex and allow the passive rear steering) for solid components which do not flex.

  • @ivanlazarevic78
    @ivanlazarevic78 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I kind of envy you when I see that footwork in that PUG.Why the hell I cant drive like that?Great drive guy.Love that cars also

  • @plbdiecast2301
    @plbdiecast2301 6 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    PEUGEOT 306 IS BEST

  • @Quattro_Joe
    @Quattro_Joe 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awsome lap from the 2 of you

  • @andreaslambrou7096
    @andreaslambrou7096 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i really wanna see how you both drive a rear wheel drive car, just to see what lines you take

  • @Greasemonkey1794
    @Greasemonkey1794 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    brilliant lap lads

  • @danielhurman2927
    @danielhurman2927 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really enjoyed this! Definatly in my top three 3 fav ring vids! I need to go there badly

    • @CamberandCombustion
      @CamberandCombustion  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Dan! Amazing track, there’s nothing like it.

  • @fiestastguy1289
    @fiestastguy1289 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow guys your videos are awesome. Always thought of going to the nurburgring but dont know if i would like to take the ST on track haha

    • @morrowind107
      @morrowind107 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can't go to the ring and don't drive there. I took it slow, and just driving around the track is very fun.

  • @fallfromgrave
    @fallfromgrave 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    multiclass racing

  • @PedroCampos-yb2xv
    @PedroCampos-yb2xv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    french cars have the best handling. they know how to build chassis with rear torsion bar...

  • @ira8999
    @ira8999 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cuantos cv lleva ese 306 GTI? Imagino que más de.los 167 de serie...Buen video.

  • @traceypotts9425
    @traceypotts9425 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Go get him lad drive it drive it

  • @piotrmalewski8178
    @piotrmalewski8178 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can' believe that you were overtaken by VW Scirocco at caruselle... at that point of the track, the VW's engine should have burned all of it's engine oil!

  • @lucywucyyy
    @lucywucyyy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    you guys downshift fast af

  • @hi2lenduffy837
    @hi2lenduffy837 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I miss my gti6 it took so much abuse for so long

  • @mendadevalli
    @mendadevalli 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Increible ese 306...

  • @alfamonk
    @alfamonk 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice race. Clio power/weight should be significantly better than 306 no?

  • @308Doctor
    @308Doctor 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does it make sense to change 306gti to Clio rs? Is the increase in power large given the difference in value?

    • @CamberandCombustion
      @CamberandCombustion  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mr. Vtec it depends what you want from the car. There isn’t much difference in the way of straight line performance. The difference is in the way that the cars handle, the 306 is more loose and sensitive to lift off oversteer whereas the Clio feels more planted to the road but is still adjustable with use of the throttle.

    • @JN-qj9gf
      @JN-qj9gf 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I went from a GTi-6 to a 3 200 RS - for pure fun there's not much in it. Clio has ridiculous grip and brakes (more track car out of the box) and the GTi-6 has this Jekyll and Hyde transformation from refined to lift-off oversteering lout (lots of character).
      200 was a bit quicker in a straight line but that's not what these cars are about.
      My GTi-6 was falling to bits though (aside from drivetrain) - and both cars are very rare where I live. Clio is newer, safer and more reliable, plus those hardcore seats, widebody, brakes and suspension are hard to deny.

    • @308Doctor
      @308Doctor 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I changed my xsara vts to the Clio RS3 and I'll tell you, it's a completely different car, its handling and brakes are amazing.

  •  4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very entertaining, now, my mazda 323F V (z5) as standard, enters curves just as fast, with 88cv ...
    Just kidding xDD
    LIKE !!!!!!

  • @willsmith9767
    @willsmith9767 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Didn't like just so the likes stay at 197

  • @jeancharlesrabaux5658
    @jeancharlesrabaux5658 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes 306 y love it the cars in verie good cars for mie

  • @jeancharlesrabaux5658
    @jeancharlesrabaux5658 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    306 just one compressor dimma is sure the bomb cars suspension sport big frein the bomba the cars trein arriere the 309 gti sooo good yeeee

  • @Bassemann87
    @Bassemann87 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    😍

  • @BMWfan91
    @BMWfan91 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Warum Mph nicht Kmh?

    • @CamberandCombustion
      @CamberandCombustion  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because MPH is standard in the UK 👍

    • @BMWfan91
      @BMWfan91 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CamberandCombustion Achso, stimmt eigentlich.

  • @hugoboss8786
    @hugoboss8786 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where are the 30hp difference?

    • @marcr4172
      @marcr4172 หลายเดือนก่อน

      On the way up.

  • @lucywucyyy
    @lucywucyyy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    no karrussel boo!

  • @abelgarcia2068
    @abelgarcia2068 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The BEST 306

  • @floranhupscher272
    @floranhupscher272 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oef, imperial

  • @davidl868
    @davidl868 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    306 S16 in France not gti

  • @BarneyWobba
    @BarneyWobba 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hahaha nice :D

  • @jean-brandinegaming9363
    @jean-brandinegaming9363 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mouais je voudrais bien voir ça contre une Clio 3 RS Cup phase 2, qui sort vraiment ses chevaux et à un châssis de dingue, je pense que la 306 serait loin derrière du genre 30s au tour à pilote égal.

  • @chrismc1977
    @chrismc1977 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    197 no quicker despite +30hp. Shows how newer hot hatches became heavier over time.

  • @antonyredfern7474
    @antonyredfern7474 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    306 driver needs rollcage. if u have a accident in that 306 ur dead.

  • @DaWhatEva
    @DaWhatEva 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Clio has to be defect, the driver of it not pushing or that 306 is tuned to at least 200 hp. Otherwise it's not explainable that the Pug can keep up like this.

    • @CamberandCombustion
      @CamberandCombustion  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      DaWhatEva DaWhatEva we can confirm both drivers were pushing and both engines are standard in this video - see video description for specs. On paper the 306 is only 30bhp down and 197s are known for not making full power out of the factory. The 306 is also lighter.

    • @DaWhatEva
      @DaWhatEva 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CamberandCombustion I used to own a 306 (just an XSi) myself and now own a Clio 200. So, I know a bit about these cars. I really doubt you can compensate 30hp and the missing revs by at best 150 kg in weight difference. There's a reason why you see so many 197/200 and only very few 306 around there and that while the 306 would surely be the cheaper option.

    • @DWTSVIDS
      @DWTSVIDS 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DaWhatEva well if the the 306 is lighter then 1045kg after stripping it actually has a better power to weight ratio. So its very well possible that they're close in straight line performance

    • @lukefoley8606
      @lukefoley8606 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Mate you have no idea what good gti6 is like . There giant killers end off!

    • @lukefoley8606
      @lukefoley8606 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Renaults sports good cars but common. 306 gti6 or rallyes are just as good but people don't know exist sometimes 😂 also people hate on peugeot but forget they make some of the best hot hatches about.....

  • @yordiferreira9091
    @yordiferreira9091 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Quien diferencia un Clío normal de un sport f1 etc... por dentro? Nadie son iguales 🤣

    • @CamberandCombustion
      @CamberandCombustion  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Creemos que los Clios de F1 tienen asientos Recaro en el interior, pero no estamos seguros de qué más los diferencia

    • @yordiferreira9091
      @yordiferreira9091 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Camber and Combustion Gracias es algo obvio... unos asientos y ya tenemos un coche para chavalines sin ánimo de ofender pero se podían esforzar más en crear un coche.

  • @piotrmalewski8178
    @piotrmalewski8178 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please turn off the image stabilisation next time. It looks awfull and pains to watch. Oldschool camera shaking is better.

    • @CamberandCombustion
      @CamberandCombustion  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      We've used GoPros for this with the image stabilisation off. We've found that under various conditions such as vibration etc the video just distorts like that unfortunately.

  • @b0r1s73
    @b0r1s73 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Peugeot is winner
    Peugeot is best
    Renault is shit

    • @nemutluturkumdiyeneasphixi9712
      @nemutluturkumdiyeneasphixi9712 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      PLB Garage clio 3 rs is shit, not clio 2 rs or clio 2 rs3 , megane 2 rs f1, megane 3 rs megane 4 rs..

    • @jean-brandinegaming9363
      @jean-brandinegaming9363 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lol against my C3RS Cup 2009 Akra the 306 is just a big shit.

  • @jeanbidule4959
    @jeanbidule4959 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    best 405 MI16x4 renault 21turbo quadro super best RENAULT SAFRANE BITURBO