NOKTA LEGEND BEAST MODE REVISITED DEPTH AND UNMASKING TEST - AFTER NOKTA UPDATE VIDEO
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 เม.ย. 2024
- After watching NOKTA's demo video on BEAST MODE, I decided to see if I could replicate the 1,2 very solid ID's that they were getting on deep coins. I appreciate of the emails and test requests. I am going to hold off on additional tests until after the final version is released.
Thanks Mike
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Thanks Iffy. I think this is the 3rd time I've had to re-subscribe to your channel. TH-cam is doing its best to kill us small guys off. Great info as always.
Thanks Gary!
Thanks for demonstration.
Welcome
Soils are so much different around the world and metal detectors will react different everywhere. That's why you don't ask what settings they are using if in Europe. Ask yourself, did they GB and what other settings they used. I myself say, "if it's not broken, don't fix it". I like the way I have set my settings on my Legend and it has proven to me it can go deep. I have different profiles for different situation hunts. Plus you have to think maybe, "ghosting" signal due to mineralization or even a "Halo" effect from metal that has saturated the ground after all those years. Deep signals I stick my shovel and open the ground up and break halo then recheck signal. Good hard signal, get to diggin!!
Thx Buckaroo 👍👍 cool name!
First Nokta came up with a beast mode that will only be used by a few and that everyone would have liked different with a M4 low freq high sens. Second they came up with a underperforming beta. Third we have the "everything is fine" again no matter what, starting to make obscure and incoherent video in real life to proove they know better. If you or other serious yt testers are not able to make them question their stuffs, nobody will can, no matter how much people comment on yt videos to tell the same. They trust no one, they consider no one. Everyone is trying to bash them freely. This is very disapointing, I'm still happy enought with 1.09 over the next, but that's it, I will not trust Nokta again to put a few hundred bucks in a detector. If I ever buy another one, the Versa is a on top of the list, they have prooved to be able to improve their machines over time. Shame on you Nokta
When I think about it, it still amazes me how people in our hobby allowed themselves to be divided by Nokta that as first started bashing other manufacturers so aggressively. They created the image of a company that is "the only one that listens to customers", "loves people", "does everything for its customers", " the only one that gives free updates", "gives the best product". Really, there are people so manipulated that they believe in such gibberish. Nokta do it all for their own profit, not for the people. Wake up folks, don't let yourself be fooled.
@@anotherbrick577 That is a relevant intake unfortunately, I like nokta because they make affordables quality machines, I had the Fors core I was happy with, since two years I have the Legend, I was hopping they push it to the next level but imho this is the opposite and they just don't listen. Not listening is fine, the way they do it is disapointing. Hope and trust are gone
I have never tried the Fors Core,i heard that and the Impact were both great machines. Having Nokta and there affordable machines is great for the competition. Helps keep prices low, last thing we need is a monopoly.
The TIDs of 1&2 will show on the deeper targets I have in my red dirt mineral test bed. Same as I showed on my first video. I still need to experiment more with BE mode but for me it would be only for low trash ground. Regular Field & Park with DT activated is a real step forward and much more usable both in low & higher mineral soils. Hopefully Nokta will continue to improve BE mode as it is a good concept as was Gen D mode & EUD on the Anfibio, it just needs to be more real world usable. DT activation, on the other hand, is a a clear advancement to be praised.
Good info, thx 👍
@@IffySignals could you do a video explaining DT? I've read the description many times but apparently I'm too dumb to figure it out! haha
Thanks for testing. Interesting 🤔
Welcome
👍. Saw the NM vid. I've always manually GB'd (ground permitting), I manually GB periodically as I go, too. VDI means zilch, for me, when trying to locate deeper. If I get the faintest of a "round" whisper up it comes. Beaucoup analogue time hunting, esp: in AM, Mike...Set in my ways. I melded with v 1.09, so I stopped with it.. NM will "get there", I'm sure. Good job man👊👍🏴☠☘.
Thx Tim.
They need to fix that update , at least they did say it’s a beta version so I’m hoping before they release that actual update they fix these problems because according to nokta beast mode can perform in all soils , I’m not even bothering with beast mode yet , the DT feature helps a little but I don’t see a big difference
They say its fine, no issues.
Yea I know , I have to check it out with the settings they recommended and see
Nokta did not recognize the error with 1.11, I went for half a year without any finds, installed 1.09 and there were a lot of them, it’s a pity the beast marketing mode, increasing the depth is impossible without additional interference
I haven’t run into any issues with certain versions like others have had or performance issues after updating but as for BE mode, its a pretty frustrating mode to use being all metal. Going to try the Beta 2 on a field today.
I have black soil in the park.GBs run 13-30!. I ran the m15 vs lg35 manticore vs Dt Legend. Park/ AllGen, both 2 tone Descrim 17-30&50/60 Legend& 20/35&70/90 manticore. Both Reaction 4 both 0 iron threshold. Neither machine was hitting any decent signals more than 6 inches. Besides the can slaw pull tabs and lead pieces The manticore hit 2 dimes 1 penny and a nickel. The legend would not hit those dimes at all maybe the penny and hit the nickel just as hard. Both hit my test thin gold ring on a heavy fishing string slightly on edge @ 6 inches. Multi 2 was best and multi on manticore. I tried 20hz on the legend which usually is next best in this area but wouldn't hit any of these tonight. 20mhz on the manticore struggled on these but I probably wouldn't of found them. Both had wacky debth readings, something reading max depth was only 4-6 inches.
That is some tough soil! My soil is not too bad but i cannot get the depths of some areas that i have seen. Im ok with that because we do have some great history over here. Rock walls and cellar holes are around every corner in my town and it goes back to the 1600’s. Depth has been less of a concern with all of these new machines being capable of punching pretty deep. Pulling from the iron (while maintaining a decent Id has been getting better and better as well.
I’m probably going to wait to update mine. I’m not that proficient at testing these new machines, way too many adjustments for me. I see the benefits but the legend is just hard for me navigate, from day one. I’m sure if I can get out more and just practice I’m sure I’ll get it figured out? Maybe ask Nokta where their ground balanced numbers were, that would tell if it was lower/higher than your soil?, thanks
Looks like they had higher numbers in there video.
Hight numbers for me too, what’s the max depth you places the coins at that it picked up?
8” on a dime here is about it. Deeper if its been in the ground a long time.
I just want your opinion. I have been hunting with the Deus 2 for over two years with great success. I am wanting to buy a Nokta Legend or a Minelab Manticore. Which would you go for? Been detecting for 52 years and have owned just about everything out there. Thanks Terry in Tennessee.
Hey Terry, great sale in the Manticore right now. I saw it posted for $1199 for the 35th anniversary. Its a great machine.
@@IffySignals I saw that. Will order in the morning. Thanks.
@@terrygreennway9655 great choice!
Same
Thx
I think I saw their GB at 54 when you said yours were 15. Would that play a role?
No, I even tried tricking it and was able to test with a very high GB.
manticore or Legend i will be purchasing one this week i would like your feedback being that you have used both and i trust your opinion. Thanks
Thanks Mase! I would go Manticore if you can swing it. No pun intended. Legend is good but the manticore gives you many more adjustments with ferrous limits which is really helpful when making custom programs.
@@IffySignals Thankyou! Keep up the great work with them videos!
Hey mate, to be honest, in our soil it never happens that the good targets drop to 1 or 2. Maybe it's the soil, I don't know.
The set filter reminds me of that Nomad video.
I downgraded mine back to 1.13.
The problem I see is, even when experienced users can't figure it out, how should a beginner understand it? Maybe they should redo the test with all programs in all metals and target depths so we get more information on how to reproduce that test to get a better understanding.
Thanks for the feedback. Im sure they are sorting through the emails, and if something if wrong will fix it. I cannot replicate there demo here but if it is unique soil conditions someone will.
I ONLY get low single IDs on deep iron targets most of the time. Not every time the odd mixed metal nail or fastner may fool me. Everything else non ferrous comes in with an up averaged VDI. Which as I said in a previous comment I still found useful for checking for deep iron in field mode which would often give me sketchier higher numbers for iron. Running Beast mode full time however is not productive IMO.
Same Bill, never a consistent two way (with good audio response) hit 1,2 on a deep coin. Maybe that is part of the program, but i cannot replicate it here. I would not want to use that anyway with nails giving a 5ID, how are nails going to give a ferrous tone of 5 and a coin a non ferrous at 1,2?
@@IffySignals Ya all my coins , heck even small foil rang up high as yours did which I feel is actually better. I don't want high conductors ringing up low lol. The problem is, as your video showed it lacks unmasking ability other than a slightly higher cadence the lower audio tone that I can hear.......barely. So I just used it on deep and ONLY deep targets as an iron check.
@@IffySignals Ok I just watched the Nokta video. I notice they seem to be in a red clay type of soil. THAT may make the difference. That stuff is notorious for not being able to penetrate. I have one spot with similar clay I'll see if I can notice a difference there.
Hi I’d value your take on the the Legend 1:15 Alpha update before I do the update.
Hi, it acts the same as in the 14 beta 2. Im not a fan of the new update. Just my opinion.. seems regular modes (depth and vdis) have been impacted vs 1.13. Allot more 1,2 IDs now.
@@IffySignals Thanks for your reply, I’ll stick with 1:13 for now then, as like you I didn’t like the way it impacted on the other modes. I understand Beast mode is there as an unmasking tool and not about depth but I think they have a way to go before they’ve perfected it. 👍
i did little separation test in field today, was in field mode, recovery 7, IF2, ST 4, 0gs, 0bc/ sensitivity 22... i used the pice of iron i found there and a non ferrus object (not a coin) and the the more DT i crunked the worse signal would get, i achived the best unmasking on DT zero, wich according to instructions should gave better unmasking results the more DT you put... i dont rly get the best mode.... and nokta vide is odd, the should comper all programs on same reactivity, plus show the rest of filters, and give the targets depth
How can it be used when the coins give a non ferrous tone of 1,2 (in Noktas demo) but to knock out nails we need an IR of 2 and we get a 5 ID on the small nails?
@@IffySignals ehh i just gonna ignore that update xd
In noktas test video the VDI numbers really confused me. Why were they so low?
Got me Danny. Was hoping others could explain because we have spent allot of time trying to replicate there test bed video.
@@IffySignals i wouldn't be surprised if it was a staged test. It was a very vague video. No information on the targets depths at all
Park 1 sounds much better. I usually get around 25 on nickels not 50. That up averaging that’s going on in beast isn’t gonna cut it for me. Interesting observation.
Same, thanks.
Still same results for me in my ground. Park and field are way deeper than beast mode in my soil.
Right! You ever get a 1,2 ID locked on like they showed that was a deep coin, only 1 vdi off from a mid conductor to a high conductor, with a great audio response? The legend has never plummeted an ID like that. At depth the Legend up averages the ID. Never seen anything like it. It would be bouncy, high/low ect not lock on to a 1,2.
Was it me or did the computer voice in noktas test video start to sound angry during the second half lol
I watche mentals metal i think video on beast mode, and it was reminding me of goldfield mode on the deus one with iron amplitude rejection cranked up, a sort pitch tone, but not really its multiple tones on the deus i think
I need to get out and test this myself and see if i like it or not, but its raining the next few days, but all my gear is water proof maybe i should just go out in the rain
Good luck! 👍
Your test outcomes are mirroring mine, absolutely . I’m getting higher vdi than true vdi on items.For a mode that is suppose to find items the other programs, I am finding the standard modes especially park m3 better at hitting targets at fringe of detection and an ID closer to true ID. I have had a few bugs also with this. Strange audio on targets . Also getting that fluffy low tone with 1-2. We have 2 types of soil on opposite side of the world and getting the same performance. Even though the test video by nokta , showed how the beast mode should work perfectly. Even though they had an ID of 1-2 and the audio was screaming as if the target was a few inch down from the coil . Hmmmmm very strange. Great work iffy, it’s been a pleasure. 🧑🦯👌🏻
You too Liam! Was good comparing notes and tests. 👍
Talk about getting complexed did I hear Park hit it over Gold Mode?
Park does good as usual, gold mode does good too.
deus 2 ever
Do you also have the Legend? Have you tried Beast Mode?
?
@@IffySignals i don t like nokta
@@Susan_HunTer ah ok.
Sure is interesting, obviously it's not working the same as the test that Nokta did! 🤔 maybe you should send the video to Nokta and ask them to view it. They might be able to give some insight. What about that second GB feature?
We have sent many videos over the last two days. Based off there suggestions and directions. Nothing (a couple of us tried) works like we just saw from there video. Was completely open to helping and sending videos. Not sure whats going. 1,2 solid two way ID, with audio gain only on 3, US coins like they showed today? Park and Field without A is not going to see that. The first 3ids are notched out for Ground.
Wow 😮
Will that's not working yet!
Gonna be awesome if they can solve the issue though
Did you try field or park in A to see if you could get an ID or at least a hit? You shouldn't be able to hit them in park or field when in G due to the low numbers.
Hiya buddy, have you put the beta 2 version on it yet and done any testing ?
Hi Andrew, yes been trying the Beta 2 and comparing notes with others. Mostly same results going on so waiting to see where it goes with the main version when released.
Are you testing the 1.15 version soon ?
@@andrewturner1799 yes 👍
@@IffySignals nice one, I do hope they sorted it this time.
@@andrewturner1799 was hoping they got it out of the Gold Mode type base program but i see they left it.
Iffy pls make video with 1.15.🎉
Hey Raf, the stock modes seem to have been impacted by the 1.15. Low 1,2 ids that were not there on the 1.13 or the 1.14 first beta. History Revisited put up a video demoing this. Not sure whats going on it with but I wont be using it.
@@IffySignalsthx for quick reply. I stay then with 1.13. 😊
They had their sensitivity on max, I don’t know if that changes the vdi
I tried that as well. Thx
first video bad ground larger coil is a skewed comparison.
Thanks 👍
@@IffySignals you're a good student of the hobby though--thanks for your contribution to helping the new guy. 🙂
@@cliveclynick4667 welcome.
To me it looks like they are over complicating the legend.
Packed with features, modes and settings for sure. The BE is probably the easiest to not screw up when trying it out since you do not have any audio, IF/ST/BC options.
Interesting test' thank you for sharing.
Welcome Jimmy
@@IffySignals Welcome.