Scott Hall - How Roddy Piper Refused Randy Savage Job Match in WCW
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RIP to the late-great Scott Hall. Here the Bad Guy talks about his one issue with "Rowdy" Roddy Piper when the two worked together in World Championship Wrestling.
Hulk Hogan had just agreed to lose clean to Roddy Piper via sleeperhold but when it came time for Roddy to lose to Randy Savage, he wasn't having it. Scott reveals how he went off on the Hot Road.
Also to start the clip, hear about how Hall changed the script in a match vs Chris Jericho where he put Chris over instead of squashing him like he was told to do.
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RIP to the late-great Scott Hall
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Easily some of the best in shoot interviews. His stories were coherent, believable, and well told in a way that made you want to hear more.
100% agree
Scott also came up with the crow sting gimmick. He truly had some of the best ideas for wresting storylines
He got people, and that’s probably the most important skill to have in the entertainment business.
I feel like he would’ve made a great promoter if he had his own company
Scott was just paying it forward. DDP got Scott to ditch the Tom Selleck mustache and grow out the Don Johnson stubble for the Diamond Studd, which Hall later used for the Razor look.
@roccoz2231 rob lowe not don johnson but same idea
He speaks the truth. He jobbed for 1-2-3 Kid (Xpac) and got him over big time.
Yea I think that's what started me off as a fan of 1-2-3 growing up
Razor Ramon (Scott Hall) really launched the 1-2-3 Kid (X-Pac) into the top-tier.
Yeah and when you do it properly the way they did it, then it doesn't destroy your credibility by losing,
@@MortonT1958. Sean Waltman is X PAC’s real name
Sean’s aerial moves were the best in the company at that time
That was what was great about Scott Hall . He knew the guys who or when they needed a push or what was good for the business.
Miss that dude for real
RIP Razor
well what about piper? dont you miss her too? i liked her dress.
When he says, "Whats the tape gonna do, give you a rash?" I swear I can hear Razor Ramon coming out 😂
that piper was a punk. just like hacksaw and bad news brown were = refusing to job. and none didnt win crap title wise in wwf. no midcard tag titles, no upper midcard ic titles, no world titles. piper the exception but that was at the end of his wwf run.
Wish he was still around, he would've been invaluable on a booking team. For all his vices, Scott really "got" the wrestling business and knew how important the optics are in the match finish.
that if if he wanted to be on a writer in the wwe,
writer in the wwe as to work long hours, have to move to stanford ct, as travel for ppvs monday night raw and smack down.
before the ppv. monday night raw and smackdown there in a conferice room to go over everthing and to see if they need to make last minute changes.
p.s. you also have to have a writers degree and know how to write for tv shows and movies.
@@kauzpayne2 doubt he would've wanted to deal with Vince's team at all lol.
TNA and WCW were more traditional booking teams where it was all ex-wrestlers mapping out angles and finishes, letting the wrestlers be natural and do the rest.
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 tna would not have they money to pay him. and wcw only two writes dusty rhodes and kevin.
I was at that nitro when he put Jericho over
Was it the Spectrum?
@@curthennig9448 yes sir
What he says here might be one of the reasons he never won the World title, to me he was the real leader of the nWo , he made them cool, maybe he didn't see himself as a top guy but he was
He didn’t take it seriously enough So never really made it out of the upper mid card. People at the top of WCW not taking things seriously enough was a big reason the WCW failed.
Once Scott Hall left the AWA and got rid of that ridiculous mustache, he began coming into his own as a heel. RIP Big Guy (you certainly earned it entertaining us for years at a terrible cost to you)!!!
Hall was NWO! Nash even said, without Hall there is no NWO. But also, I heard thru some interviews, Hall never got World strap cause he couldn't stay off drugs and alcohol
During that time it was hard giving the title to a heel. That's why. Mr perfect didnt have it either.
@@whyfilmworks5184 that doesn't work for me brother! Was the problem🎉
Scott understood the business better than most plus he was selfless and never let his ego take over.
RIP. The kinda guy you want as a friend.
OG SCOTT HALL#1 (RIP)
THATS WHY U R THE LEGENDARY LEGEND U R...
Hall seemed so sharp, funny and a great storyteller in this shoot, a real shame he could never quite conquer his demons.
There were no "Demons" just Alcoholism.
He drank because he was insecure and felt sorry for himself. Great entertainer but a loser of a man.
@jayceegenocide4402 🤓
Scott and Terry Funk were true pros. What's good for business. Selfless. Do it for the fans. Rest peacefully.
Funk maybe. Scott Hall? In your dreams maybe.
I'll say it. Scott Hall was way under rated. He had an uncanny ability to sense what the crowd wanted and give it to them.
I first learned how smart hall was when I heard him on the old Stone Cold Steve Austin podcast. That had to be a decade ago if not longer
This dude has got the best shoot interviews of all time. Could listen to him for hours. I wish there were more.
Hall was one of the least selfish dudes in wrestling. And wrestling is super selfish
I love all these interviews from all these channels, it is so awesome to actually hear from the horse's mouth, whether its Hall, Nash, Shawn, Bret, Taker, Bischoff, etc.
RIP Scott Hall, Randy Savage, and Roddy Piper. We've lost too many too soon.
Amazing. Scott played the cocky wrestler to perfection when he was in character. Behind the scenes he had no ego and was a team player all the way. Cool guy
Hall was an in-ring genius.
#RIPScottHall
#RIPHotRod
#RIPMachoMan
Piper was one of the greatest heels in history, just behind Flair
he wasn't heel long enough for him to be one of the historical greats... he was heel briefly then turned chaotic and that's pretty much how he stayed thru out his career....
Piper from 81 to 86 is the GOAT and i mean in general terms.
Guys like Piper and Flair , Lawler, Savage and Austin can't really be viewed in terms of Heels or Babyface. They get over regardless of whether fans are rooting for them or not.
The best heels were guys like Blanchard, Schultz
I'm a Ric Flair guy but Flair got beat clean plenty of times
Roddy Piper didn't get beat clean once
I'd call that almost even to close to call
But flair is still the greatest world champion of all time
Scott Hall was selfless when it came to this business. Really did put guys ahead of himself for the benefit of the show.
This guy had great psychology for putting together matches.
Such a great mind for the business. RIP to the bad guy! 😢
Scott was bulletproof from 1994 onward, and God bless him, he knew it.
‘What are we too close to Portland?’ 😂😂😂
Perfectly shows what respect he had for Vince and the lack of same for Bischoff, even in the best of his times in WCW. He would of never dreamed switching stuff up like that working for Vince.
LOVE how he called it fake.
Why
@@wa2k99 because so many holier than thou wrestlers get so angry when it’s called fake. It’s f’n fake, give it a rest
always wondered about him spamming the finisher in this match;
love this new insight.
Hall jobbed to Jericho a week AFTER Halloween Havoc, so his memory is a little fuzzy. Hall also got his win back six weeks later.
I love Scott Hall... he had a lot of respect for Macho.. when Hall first broke in the E, his first program was with Savage .. Savage made him look like a million bucks and Hall never forgot it...
i never knew they convinced Hogan to lose to Piper at Starrcade 97. thats so awesome. Piper was prolly so paranoid he didnt wanna lose clean and had his guard up too high
It was 1996. Sting was Starrcade '97. And to be perfectly honest, I don't think jobbing to Piper made a lick of sense. Hogan was the champion but he loses a non-title match at WCW's biggest PPV of the year? Should have done that on a Nitro before the PPV, not the PPV itself unless you are going to put the title on Piper.
Scott had a great mind for the business.
Hall trying to say they needed to put Piper over. Piper is over no matter what when who or how....he's the ultimate heel of this business and a great face(prefer him a heel though)
R. I . P bad guy !!
Most of the best "heel click" gimmicks, came from Scott. They changed the whole wrestling landscape. Made it all way more fun. Everyone was "over", irregardless of your alignments. This was something that would NEVER be allowed to happen in WWF/WWE. Vince has to have everything his way.
Irreguardless isn't a word brother. Its a double negative and cancels itself out. Just an FYI. 😊
Tremendous talent, awesome interview and really unselfish and cared about the product by putting guys over when needed. It makes wrestling way more entertaining when it's NOT predictable. One of Vince's weaknesses in the late 80s and early 90s was being uber predictable.
Well the story of Nash open hand slapping Piper to the ground after he came at them in the locker room after a tag match between the Outsiders vs Piper and Flair has definitely been told by Nash and Hall too in other shoots. I believe Disco Inferno and Konan have spoken on it too. Maybe it wasn't fresh on Hall's mind this day because that's probably the story the interviewer is referring to.
Scott must have respected Randy Savage to be that upset Piper didn't put over Savage
Hogan never put Savage over either.
And Hogan probably wouldn’t have put Piper over either if not for what Hall claimed here about his and Nash’s influence on Hogan.
Vince would have never let his cash cow lose.
Times were different back in the days.
YOU GUYS ALL TALK SH## ABOUT HOGAN.
Including wrestlers..
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS...
HOGAN IS THE REASON THAT WRESTLING BECAME ONE OF THE BIGGEST ENTERTAINMENT ATTRACTIONS IN THE COUNTRY !!!!
Hogan never beat piper, so he always put piper over
Piper been Hogan multiple times so you lie.
Man that guy really understood the business.
If Hall wasn't so generous in the ring, he would have been a multiple world champion.
RIP Scott Hall. What a great story teller. I'd like to add that the crowd in Philly cheers for the heel, and in that Hall/Jericho match they got the pop for the babyface! which makes it all that more impressive.
too close to Portland...Hall is the best brah
What a real legend
Thinking of Big Kev today. This was his Ride or Die and tbh.. what a Stud
The biggest shame of modern WWE is Scott isn't down there coaching guys with Shawn.
You could call him a Diamond Stud 😎
Mad at Piper yet he pointed out Hogan never did jobs before that.
Scott Hall 4LIFE 🤘
Scott Hall is a legend!!!
I know he had substance issues, but Hall had a good head for the business and should’ve gotten the main even spot at least once with a world title run.
I always Scott told the history of his career very well.. Or just about different things he was involved in over the years..
5:06 : "Brass knuckles that don't look like brass knuckles, but we'll call them brass knuckles anyway". /WrestlingBios
Bischoff didn’t get it. Still doesn’t. Hall understood. It’s about the entertainment value. But it has to look good. It has to look real.
Scott played a character. Is he a good guy? He had his demons.
I really enjoyed this. 👏
"Wow brother, no one ever stuck up for me before."
Well, he was actually sticking up for Savage.
Geez, WCW might still be around if this guy were doing the booking.
Yeah he's telling the truth about losing to Chris Jericho...it was Monday Nitro November 3rd 1997 n the Spectrum
What a wrestler
I think Scott even lost to Disco and a Luchadore before. Always gave back.
I talked with Piper a few times, he was textbook schizophrenic. Everything he said or did was planned out beforehand. He told me that before he went home to his wife and kids he booked himself into a hotel room to try and get into Roderick Toombs mode. Oh, and all of those childhood traumas he had? Totally made up.
The same people who complain that guys like Piper didn't want to do jobs are the same people who call guys like Koko B Ware a "jobber" like it's an insult. Critical thinking is not the strong suit of wrestling fans. It's a business and it's up to the promoter to decide what is best for his business. You can't hold up a promoter if he doesn't think you're valuable.
Fans today don’t understand that the tail end of your career you do jobs to put the newer guys over. It’s like you said. They see someone putting others over, and no matter how much drawing power they had, they still think of them as a jobber.
True king big RIP
Piper never Jobbed to anyone with a clean loss
I feel like Hall has been known to “embellish” some of his stories, but one thing is for sure…he wasn’t opposed to doing jobs. I have more memories of Hall laying down and looking at the lights than I do of him going over.
What stories has he embellished? He’s usually pretty consistent.
He was pretty honest about a lot of stories, especially for a pro wrestler
@@BruceMichaelFilms I don’t believe he was 100% truthful with the stories regarding Shane Douglas, Carl Oullet and others that the kliq sabotaged just out of spite. He always makes it sound like the kliq minded their own business and we’re completely innocent…don’t get me wrong, I’ve been a fan of Scott for many years and still love watching some of those old Razor matches, I just don’t buy everything he says…really, I wouldn’t trust any of the kliq members 😂…except maybe Kid.
@@BruceMichaelFilms I don’t think he was 100% honest about Shane Douglas, Carl Ouellet and the other careers that were sabotaged out of spite by the Kliq. Scott always tried to make it sound like they were completely innocent but I don’t buy it. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve always been a Hall fan and still love going back and watching some of those old Razor Ramon matches…I just really wouldn’t trust any of the Kliq guys honestly 😂…except maybe Kid.
@@completesentences2125 sabotaged out of spite? What could the Kliq have been jealous about Shane Douglas for?
RIP. What a pro.
We’re really in for a treat if this is the start of a continuous dump of Scott Hall shoots from this interview!! 😍😍😍
Hall was a fucking genius. Great wrestling mind
Piper was so scared to lose and become irrelevant
“Well you must’ve been real popular at Alcatraz. Bet you got a lot of candy bars and cigarettes, ya queer.” 💀😂
I'm sure Piper got them at the gift shop, since at the time he did that vignette (1997) Alcatraz had been open as a tourist attraction for almost 25 years (1973, it closed, as a Prson, in 1963). I recall wrestlecrap poking at this story, asking the question "Imagine you are on a tour at alcatraz, and you come across Piper sleeping in one of the cells like a deranged homeless man"
The razor man was one of the greatest
Hall’s mixing things up. Piper fought hogan in a rematch after starcade at superbrawl in frisco & I guess didn’t want to put hogan over clean, so savage interfered by giving hogan the taped brass knucks. So same deal & actually it’s worse because hogan put piper over clean but didn’t let hogan win clean. Btw I’m the biggest piper fan ever but hall’s right about this.
I could’ve swore I heard Scott tell the story along time ago, but instead of hulk thanking him, it was macho man
I miss Scott Hall.
Scott could be so articulate and think so clearly. It's a shame he could often make such bad choices despite being such a smart guy.
As far as Hulk, Savage, and Piper, they had a complicated relationship from the 80s WWF days.
Savage and Piper were always in Hulk's shadow, and thus kind of the anti-Hulks, with Savage being something of a tweener (see the Mega Powers split and Macho King turn).
I really wish the Kliq had respected Piper more in his later WCW days.
Piper, Savage, and Hogan largely laid the groundwork for the Monday Night Wars by making wrestling popular in the 80s. Piper was one of the greatest heels of all time.
But it was also known that Piper could be arrogant and refuse to put people over. Piper's logic was if he was beaten cleanly then his mystique would go away and people would stop paying to see him wrestle Hulk.
Still, I wish Hall, Nash, and others had given Piper more of the respect he deserved for being the icon Piper was.
Hall and Nash were also wise to suck up to Hogan because Hogan still had enough power backstage in the 90s to exert influence over pushes. They made making a strategic alliance with the king of wrestling. If they couldn't have Vince's ear because they were in WCW, having Hulk's ear was the next best thing.
As for Macho Man, I don't think he was booked well by Bischoff or Russo. Macho Man just kind of faded into the background like Rick Steiner did once Scott Steiner blew up as Big Poppa Pump. Macho Man and Rick both deserved better than what they got during the later WCW days.
As for Bischoff, I think his interaction with Hall shows that Bischoff didn't have the mind for the business that prime era Vince did from the 80s to the Attitude Era.
Eric always seemed to me like an on air referee promoted to mid level executive promoted to the head of a broadcasting network's wrestling division. He was not a true promoter with a deep understanding of the business like prime era Vince, Jim Cornette, or Paul Heyman.
Imagine Hall as a booker.
Scott Hall: Hey, if this is supposed to be a team effort then shouldn’t we all be fine doing a job?
[Everyone disliked that]
Rip Scott Hall.
One of the biggest problems in wrestling right now is that you know who will win 90-95% of the matches. Upsets happen way less than they do in real sports.
This made sense when you are actually protecting a potential draw from eating a pinfall in TV, but that's rarely the case in the modern era.
The lower guy should go over sometimes. Sport isn't top trumps.
Hall put him over, yet Jericho resents Hall.
Good interview
Ita a hall boy thing. All the way back to 1398❤💯
I agree with Scott. There is no reason Roddy shouldn’t put Macho Man over. I love Roddy but he hates putting anyone over. I think that why he was never World Champion.
Cool af
these wrestlers have a sweet gig being paid to talk about the past
it's such a shame he couldn't lay off the alcohol man his career would have lasted so much longer and he could have had such a great run into the 2000s
i dont know why piper always gets a pass for not doing a job but people hate on hulk hogan not doing jobs and im not even avhogan fan
If you sell tickets you can get by with anything
@@merleshand2442 true but still
bcuz Piper was a likable guy and worked his way up. Hogan was pushed right away and kept the belt for decades by changing matches at the last second.
@@poindextertunes that still doesn't make it right
@@poindextertunesPushed right away? He was in the business 1976-1983 before he went to wwf in 1984. He was possibly the most famous wrestler after appearing in Rocky 3. He also worked his way up. You can't blame guys for promoters pushing them.
ive heard many stories about piper refusing to do jobs. he seems to have been full of himself.
Truth. As a matter of fact, I'm one of those in the minority when it comes to being a mark for Piper. I've always thought of him as being overrated.
@@twomorningsbackfromyesterd1240 i feel you, never got the hype around piper either tbh. Yes he was a great heel in the 80s but overall Piper never was anywhere near the level of Hogan, Savage, Taker, Bret or even HBK.
The stories pale compared to the stories about Hogan. Still Piper managed to bag two rare PPV clean(ish) wins on Hogan, Starrcade '96 then Halloween Havoc '97(cage match). Dunno how they conned Hogan into laying down twice for Piper, but good on them and at least Piper did the right thing, putting over Bret clean, on his way out of WWF in '92.
I wonder if Hall ever needled the butt play kid Shawn Michaels about never jobbing too 🤔
Doubtful.
You wonder if he needled Shawn's butt? 😁 Probably, considering he gave Shawn huge pantsings in their ladder matches 😅
Piper seemed to not want to job to anyone.
I miss the Bad Guy.
To be great, entertain the fans! End of discussion!
Anyone wanna take a crack at what he meant by him and The Kid "feeding" Piper all night?
They kept on taking bumps from Piper over and over
@@justindaley6429 Thanks, I was going a different way with it
Hot Rod was old school. He didn't to jobs on TV.
Scott Hall is the second most underrated pro wrestler in modern history;
the first is Sting, whom Hall helped stay relevant for an extra 25 years.
Jericho was over with Philly fans in 1996 while in ECW before he went to work in WCW. Love Scott Hall but I don't get that statement.