The Top 10 Characters That Fell from Top Tier in Honkai Star Rail

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  • @Iyoverse
    @Iyoverse  วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Live right now if you guys want to argue about the next character placements.
    www.twitch.tv/iyokuu

  • @dante19890
    @dante19890 วันที่ผ่านมา +51

    Iyo " there is no powercreep"
    Iyo " I made a tier list of a bunch of characters that fell off "
    Lmao

    • @Omegeddon
      @Omegeddon วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@dante19890 To be fair some of it isn't really power creep just an initial lack of options. Natasha and Bailu are S tier until you have any other healer you can pick up.

    • @remwastaken
      @remwastaken 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Powercreep exists but also this game isn't that hard to full clear, so even if it's there it doesn't really matter too much. The only thing you gotta worry about is hyv artificially nerfing your character by either
      1) nullifying parts of their kit, for example "nerfing" aventurine by making a boss that completely bypasses shields (please don't do this, ever)
      2) making many rounds of endgame modes completely counter the character, for example 6 months with no ice weak enemies making jingliu unusable. (although thanks to weakness implant this isn't an issue anymore, somewhat)
      3) (and this one is much more niche, but it still somewhat counts imo) long stretches of patches without any reruns, not allowing players to vertically invest (pulling eidolons/LC) to keep a character relevant for longer.
      I'm sure that with the right teams pretty much every 5* DPS can clear any MoC with their weakness, it's just that some do it in 0 cycles easily and others take 5 or more.

    • @0101003100
      @0101003100 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Omegeddon character A was good until character B was released. Uhhh sounds like powercreep

    • @e554
      @e554 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@Omegeddon yanqing is S tier if you have 0 other characters
      what a shit argument

    • @Omegeddon
      @Omegeddon 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@0101003100 character A was never good it was just the only option you had

  • @ceoofbingchilling2501
    @ceoofbingchilling2501 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +34

    Iyo so high up on Seele because that's the only character he got maxed traces on😭

    • @melowmelow99
      @melowmelow99 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      Holy shit this one got me good

    • @Iyoverse
      @Iyoverse  22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

      My Topaz maxed out too. 😭

  • @rek8193
    @rek8193 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    Embracing the villain arc I see.

  • @Gerz970
    @Gerz970 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    I had a dream that MidYuan might jump up to tier 1 maybe even 0.5 soon

    • @bandi642
      @bandi642 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      yeah what im seeing of sunday jingyuan gameplay, he might put jingyuan on tier 1 on everything, nothing ultra crazy

    • @HaveYouHeardOfTheCharmonyDove
      @HaveYouHeardOfTheCharmonyDove วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      oh yeah I just saw gameplay of a 0 cycle JY with Robin, Sunday, and Bronya and it's beautiful... 10 LL in one cycle, 85 stacks over all. all E0S1 besides Bronya, she has E1.

    • @lyon7218
      @lyon7218 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@HaveYouHeardOfTheCharmonyDove how did you see that when we’re talking about a dream can you see his dreams

    • @HaveYouHeardOfTheCharmonyDove
      @HaveYouHeardOfTheCharmonyDove วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lyon7218 I can see everyone's dreams, including my own

    • @mauriciorosademoraes9209
      @mauriciorosademoraes9209 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah. Mid Yuan like receiving the most buffs of all time with E0S1 Chicken Wing with E0S1 Robin Wood and Crying Fox E0S0 for regenerate Robin's ultimate like
      1,250 ATK flat
      200% DMG bonus~
      150% Crit damage~
      12% ATK
      20% Crit Rate
      +20% energy regen sometimes
      +50% ATK per 2 turns
      100% Action advance for Him and LL

  • @TheJersey973101
    @TheJersey973101 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    Crazy thumbnail . Boothill is better than most think though

    • @dominickjadon
      @dominickjadon วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I think Boot is great in theory but it doesn’t seem like a lot of content is geared for him to really excel in

    • @DragonoftheDarknessFlame
      @DragonoftheDarknessFlame วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@dominickjadon Seems like a you issue TBH. You can run double DPS with Booty and he still annihilates. MoC 12 was 36* with my Blade and Bootyhill. Booty's damage is beyond ridiculous

    • @crystalizedxx7461
      @crystalizedxx7461 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ⁠​⁠@@dominickjadon what are you smoking when you said that? In pure fiction yes but Moc and apocalyptic shadow is where he’s excel at especially against hoolay and aventurine..

    • @vinny_s
      @vinny_s วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@dominickjadon you never seen boothill humble hoolay it seems 😫

    • @bandi642
      @bandi642 วันที่ผ่านมา

      he has potential to outlast firefly in the meta for apocalyptic shadow imo

  • @hanrryoribiira3158
    @hanrryoribiira3158 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    Grandpa Smack didn’t answer the call 😢

  • @insertnamehere2022
    @insertnamehere2022 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Bro got donowalled by smack 😂

    • @scrublord7922
      @scrublord7922 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Didn't expect to nootice but here we are 😅

  • @entsensei
    @entsensei วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Glazing seele at 10 is crazy
    Support rail fr

  • @JustOnlyHallow
    @JustOnlyHallow 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    My man gonna love Sunday

    • @Iyoverse
      @Iyoverse  22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Hell yeah. 😎

  • @TheMikero
    @TheMikero 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I would love if they made a dedicated support that specifically utilizes the way Jingliu chips off her party's HP to bring Jingliu back into the upper tiers, but I have no idea what that character could actually do with that mechanic to help her. She's still fun to use but definitely needs something to stay relevant, like Blade has this synergy with her but you're not going to use that team outside of just having a silly funtime.

  • @AngelOnerom
    @AngelOnerom 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Seele in tenth is absolutely diabolical. My guy in that full blown whale out of touch type of reality.

  • @dr.strange1300
    @dr.strange1300 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Top 10 fall offs of all time has gotta be the DOT's. They've gotten 0 count it, ZERO love since black swan. Jiaoqiu was whatever, not really a dot unit he just has a dot as his debuff. What happened to my favorite playstyle man 😔 Dope video as well!

    • @niedrzyjsietak
      @niedrzyjsietak วันที่ผ่านมา

      Did they really fall off though? My Kafka, BS, RM and Luocha team easily goes past anything that's weak to wind or electro.
      Sure, they're not getting new units but it's not that they became weaker somehow.

    • @dr.strange1300
      @dr.strange1300 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @niedrzyjsietak That's what the fall off means, they're just not getting any type of support at all. DOT is definitely the most left behind archetype in the game even past hypercarry stuff. My Kafka, BS and Jiaoqiu are all E2S1 and they're strong as fuck and clear easy and comfy as hell but that's just from investment ya feel not from actively getting support for the playstyle.

    • @simonditomasso9868
      @simonditomasso9868 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@niedrzyjsietakthe content gets harder but the dot team remains the same. It’s just like inflation, 5 dollars is 5 dollars, but 5 dollars in 10 years is worth less than 5 dollars today

  • @TheJersey973101
    @TheJersey973101 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Bronya only seems like she fell off because hypercarry isn’t the strongest team anymore

    • @IrrelevantOaf
      @IrrelevantOaf 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Basically this whole list. A lot of these characters "fell off" because Hoyo is doing an awful job at supporting them. It's literally just Break and Follow up meta now.

  • @user-1zUm1
    @user-1zUm1 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Yeah bro became maidenless 0:16

  • @andrewcook4873
    @andrewcook4873 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    This list is pretty accurate.
    I do still use Luocha and Fu Xuan to clear Echo of war on auto. I sometimes want to try something more interesting but if I can’t be bothered and the end of the week is near they are just solid for getting it done without needing to think about it. Just as long as clear time is not an issue. Set them going then go make a cup of tea and they’ll still be going strong when you get back.
    Dot is my favourite team but it definitely fell off, I’ve been waiting for a strong blast bleed character for ages.

  • @NCG420
    @NCG420 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Good list (so far) I agree with most of it, and also there is a good chance that Hypercarry characters could come back with Sunday dropping, plus Sparkle could go up too if they drop some hypercarry DPS in 3.0+
    But that’s all just speculation

    • @grammysworld5449
      @grammysworld5449 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah hypercarry may very well come back, it just wont be the end all be all anymore

  • @YungNah-t8f
    @YungNah-t8f 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Losing my 50/50 on blade first banner is the reason I first took a break from the game pretty funny to think about

  • @Sntra101
    @Sntra101 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    how to fix this, move blandfly to 0.5 for moc, move fu xuan to t1, put ratio t1, put blade and seele in argenti tier and list is fixed

    • @jilvermazariegos
      @jilvermazariegos 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Why 0.5 for firefly?

    • @Sntra101
      @Sntra101 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@jilvermazariegos becauses shes not on feixiao level for moc rn. especially if its without sigs. tho ig if they want to have someone in t0 for their specialist section it makes sense for her to be there for now

  • @grammysworld5449
    @grammysworld5449 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    I dont think Argenti "fell off".. he was a niche character that got saved by pure fiction for the most part

  • @mischelinesss
    @mischelinesss ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I mean you could've at least waited till buddy got back to you though

    • @Iyoverse
      @Iyoverse  15 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      Mans gave me the go ahead on twitter & through text. I’m good with my homie. Lol Thank you for the concern tho, big dawg. 🫡

  • @alexmejia5451
    @alexmejia5451 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I get the silver placement because yea she really only fits in like 1 team. That team being one with ratio (if you don’t have e1s1 topaz and aventurine). I usually run her with Him as well as sparkle and a sustain and i’m able to clear most of the end game but she really only gets used in that set up and she only really works well just because i have her at e1 on accident lmao.

  • @SDseb
    @SDseb 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    19:50 spoilers for Wednesday
    He does action forward a character 100% like Bronya and their summons if they have any. Wednesday can finally unlock LL's potential by bringing him and Jing Yuan forward every time he skills. We now have 2 characters that can bring up someone 100%. Hyper carry getting some love again with Wednesday, my totally favorite day of the week.

  • @remwastaken
    @remwastaken 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    If we got a Robin level DoT harmony unit or a gallagher/lingsha level sustain DoT will come back to T0 easily, considering that we have to use two (altough really really good) generalist units on the premium DoT comp currently.
    Leak talks ahead, which is also very very sketchy/speculations, nothing concrete nor confirmed.
    and very sketchy dreams of a Quantum DoT Healer might make me the happiest man alive if they were to come true, plus the apparently 3 new 5* Nihility units in the early patches of 3.X give me some hope that we might get something good, hopefully not another DPS cause my E1S1 BlackSwan is already doing SO GOOD that it'd be hard to beat her in DPS without powercreeping her to all hell and back.

  • @davidfrost5995
    @davidfrost5995 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    According to leaks Sunday May seriously powercreep sparkle, he's basically an equal/slightly better sparkle variant but does some extra stuff for summons

    • @Gerz970
      @Gerz970 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Wish i wouldn't have fell for her hype trailer, still my favorite out of all of them. I didn't really even want her before that and I have hardly used her, especially because since then I have gotten e2 bronya making her just better in most situations.

    • @aymenlahfa234
      @aymenlahfa234 วันที่ผ่านมา

      nah he much worse ngl

    • @bandi642
      @bandi642 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@aymenlahfa234 worse if u dont have summon, much better if u have.

    • @aymenlahfa234
      @aymenlahfa234 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@bandi642 decent (and currently only) buff for summons but it's so basic it will easily be powercrept by the next summon support
      summons aren't good currently
      i find their play style boring, they're very limited so sunday being limited to them is dumb (we currently only have topaz, lingsha and jing yuan) while robin fits in almost every team (she does but ruan mei is obviously better in break and sparkle for dan heng)

    • @Dizperze
      @Dizperze วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@aymenlahfa234 I believe Wednesday is in the same position as topaz when she released, he will feel kinda bad to pull with the current summon characters and sparkle being similar. I believe we’ll get much stronger summon dps in 3.0 and the future and then Wednesday would be much much stronger.

  • @lolkittah
    @lolkittah 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Jiaoqiu supports DoT teams: Swan, Kafka, JQ & a sustain is very strong.

  • @grammysworld5449
    @grammysworld5449 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    It sucks because i pulled Blade and Goatmei and their LCs on the same day within 30 pulls.. Now Blade collects dust

  • @rereo599
    @rereo599 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    They failed my fav husbandos (Argenti, Luocha, jy & blade) 😢. I do have luocha LC lol, but it was early temptation cuz he was my absolute favorite man in that game and the fact how ez is to get LC ,almost garantee was crazy (I am coming from GI so u can say why I was so crazy I can get any character with their lc, or so I though for a while, like idk what's gacha but anyway XD)
    And for Argenti he is still my absolute pf king or when I need physical in MoC, I am happy to have him even though he isn't the best. Usually I bring him when my dot can't do the job on the other side and if physical ofc, like aven boss. The other side I always have the stable premium FuA. So once we get more love for DoT or ER support I will have 3 stable teams to choose from. Or I will just leave everything and go all in for summons meta because I am absolutely getting Sunday, he is my new fav man and he is summons(I might finally get Jing Yuan for him ^^) ❤❤❤

  • @RaikamiX
    @RaikamiX วันที่ผ่านมา

    12:11
    broooo i've been starved of Iyo's content. I was really wishing you'd drop vids on the channel more cuz i can't catch your streams :((

    • @Iyoverse
      @Iyoverse  22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      I was moving, but I’m done now! Lol Content back on it.

  • @АрсенСаркисян-й9у
    @АрсенСаркисян-й9у 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Yoinked without hesitation

  • @loonastrawberry
    @loonastrawberry วันที่ผ่านมา

    this thumbnail is crazy

  • @latitude990
    @latitude990 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Wonder if Yanqing is gonna be on here. I feel like he is the one that fell the most tiers over time

  • @keneunaegbu851
    @keneunaegbu851 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Quantum on life support 💀

    • @grammysworld5449
      @grammysworld5449 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah Seele, Diviner Fu and QQ's backs are broken carrying this type.. Sucks too because entangled can be busted

  • @grammysworld5449
    @grammysworld5449 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Sparkle never "fell off" she was always mid and niche. I KINDA agree on your Seele take.. Any character who can make use out of abusing the game mechanics is good in the right hands

  • @darminraja8589
    @darminraja8589 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Suprise Iyo wasn't number 1 in this tier list. T-T

  • @loganstark3930
    @loganstark3930 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Could have sworn i watched this already

  • @WI-FI_GOD
    @WI-FI_GOD วันที่ผ่านมา

    0:16
    You feel tarnished? You should try to become an Elden Lord

  • @justadude189
    @justadude189 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Top ten fall offs ? Iyo's fall off bro, 42 minutes and 480 view only ? Truly bro fell off .

  • @StormySensei
    @StormySensei วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Iyo flip flopping on Seele again

    • @Iyoverse
      @Iyoverse  22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I would never. 🙃

  • @thelastgamurai
    @thelastgamurai วันที่ผ่านมา

    🎶 Yanqy doodle went to town riding on a pony

  • @jonathanrobinson198
    @jonathanrobinson198 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don’t know about yall but I pick my Sparkle before I pick my Bronya all the time 😅

  • @davidfrost5995
    @davidfrost5995 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nah I feel like ratio gets powercept by feixiao because she's easier, I farmed a 85/185 ratio with pioneer and salsotto both s0 and robin s0 the only diff in the teams is that instead of March 7th I have sw.also feixiao is 99/125

  • @GamersGod009
    @GamersGod009 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ragebait thumbnail ahh video

  • @InvasorJim101
    @InvasorJim101 วันที่ผ่านมา

    og yanqing haver over here, cryiiing!

  • @Ibrgean
    @Ibrgean วันที่ผ่านมา

    🗣️Seele agenda

  • @davidfrost5995
    @davidfrost5995 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Has anyone tried a break or hybrid seele

  • @PixelMin
    @PixelMin วันที่ผ่านมา

    My logical side of my brain agrees Seele argument however, My Seele sized heart says frick you and your logic slot in seele every gamemode. Take my like and have a good day😤

    • @Iyoverse
      @Iyoverse  22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Seele mains on TOP!

  • @Rob.N.
    @Rob.N. วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    2 things:
    1.) Iyo still smoking that Seele pack got her at 10, lol. I understand your reasoning but feel like you're being overly gratuitous as a Seele apologist. I mean come on; Seele had no characters made for her (dawg its almost 3.0)? Straight cap. Besides there are just better Hunt characters to invest into. Seele is just an aged Hunt archetype character( Shared HP is her kryptonite 💀). I won't discredit the truth of investment and player competency though, that applies to everyone. However, I am also a 1.0 dps apologist (Jingyuan). Which brings me my next point.
    2.) Jingyuan is 3rd!? This man has systematically been one of the few and only characters to get stronger with each patch and not in vain. Especially as a 1.0 character. Relics, planars, and team options he's got it all. And with the advent of Wednesday, ifykyk, the main complaint of his kit is being made a nonissue. The CC argument alone is weak too. Everyone hates CC, especially follow up characters (not just JY), but it's not so fundamentally bad that you have pull a five star to "fix" it. I mean Lynx fixed it in my experience. Besides that why does it matter if you need to pull characters to make other characters more seamless? This is a team building game. It's bound to happen with anyone. Lastly Topaz and Himeko considering their kits only got to where they are because of OTHER characters (Topaz is not a great main dps in any stretch of the imagination she needed someone else to show that and show me a Himeko showcase without weakness Break efficiency). It feels like you're still living in 1.0 with your criticism.
    Still love ya stuff though, keep putting in that work.

    • @sct77
      @sct77 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He takes 0 cycle stuff into account when it comes to Seele and Jing Yuan being incredibly mediocre even after a billion buffs... I would have placed him higher lol.

    • @Rob.N.
      @Rob.N. 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​​​​@@sct77 People say that word and I'm not sure they understand what that means. Mediocrity is Blade aka "I shall dispatch you in 8 cycles." Jingyuan clears usually in 1-4 cycles and with relatively middling cost teams ( 4-6).
      If mediocrity is a 1.0 unit that parts of the community swear is "mid", but consistently clears under 5 cycles since their inception then naysayers honestly don't what they're talking about. Not to mention JY xan get even better because there isn't a support unit so far that makes use of debuffs in comfortable rotation for him. If JY gets a support unit that starts adding def down/ignore and vulnerability seamlessly into his rotation while buffing summons, Then the "he's mid" crowd is just the peanut gallery who has a raging hate boner for him 🤡

    • @e554
      @e554 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@Rob.N. "Jingyuan clears usually in 1-4 cycles and relatively middling cost teams 4-6."
      do you realise that this data you're probably referencing (surely you're not just making shit up... right?) comes from people who have 36 starred MOC?
      4-6 cycles on a 36* MOC run is fucking garbage
      consistently clearing under 5 cycles at high money + time + resin investment is garbage for a limited 5* dps
      blade is literally better than jingyuan in every game mode rn, so you're right. jingyuan isn't mediocre or mid
      he's dogshit
      has it ever occured to you why jingyuan keeps getting indirect buffs? why he's the most buffed character in the game and continues to get more? it's because he's still shit.
      watch agalea come out and you're all still clutching at straws get over it dude you had a whole year to rebuild💀

    • @sct77
      @sct77 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@Rob.N. You say that but BIade's MoC data has been equal or better than Jing Yuan's and he didn't receive any buffs lol.
      Debuffs? Did you not see the leaks?

  • @MiSa-oe4dn
    @MiSa-oe4dn วันที่ผ่านมา

    uvu no firelfy it top tier
    for low cost 0cycle let them know about robin feet.

  • @Ah-ec5ch
    @Ah-ec5ch วันที่ผ่านมา

    yoooo

    • @Iyoverse
      @Iyoverse  22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yoooo

  • @vantagehgc3499
    @vantagehgc3499 วันที่ผ่านมา

    you forgot to put topaz on there

    • @Kuroi_chō
      @Kuroi_chō วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      TopASS aint goin nowhere😩

    • @grammysworld5449
      @grammysworld5449 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Topaz never fell off.. People doomposted about her and trashed her for 7 months until she got support and shes a top 10 character now

    • @deltaspecies1697
      @deltaspecies1697 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@grammysworld5449shes top 10 ? Bluds playing a different game om

    • @CodeTetsu
      @CodeTetsu 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@deltaspecies1697She arguably is because she’s one of Feixiao’s best supports.

    • @grammysworld5449
      @grammysworld5449 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@deltaspecies1697 she's a followup enabler that only gets better as followup characters release.. Sorry your copium doesn't agree with reality