I used Velocidrone for around 3 months before I ever built a quad IRL. Now I compete at national events IRL with the help of the training and knowledge from Velocidrone. To all the people asking for pids or setups to make vdrone feel more like IRL just stop there. All the fastest guys on vdrone (they're usually the fast guys IRL as well) use defaults except for rates and camera angle. You need to change the way you look at Simulators. If you pickup someone elses IRL quad and try to fly it, it will NOT fly like yours. Just look at Velocidrone as another quad you need to learn. I have 2 quads I fly, my IRL identical racers and Velocidrone. When you use this mindset it will help you to become a better pilot and more versatile to change.
Think of it like real life cars. They all drive different even though the controls are basically the same. Learn to wring the most performance out of one car and you'll be able to get to that point in a different car much sooner, and eventually you'll be able to drive anything at its limits. Same thing applies to quads or wings or whatever. What's that old saying? Practice makes perfect? It's kinda true...
@@jonathanwennstromm1578 2 different sims from 2 different companies. Both capable sims. Different maps, different online systems. Think of it like comparing Forza Motorsport and Gran Turismo. Both great sims but with different styling, tracks and cars.
I was FINALLY able to get my Tinyhawk 2 RTF set up in BetaFlight to use the drone as the dongle, so I am now up and running in Velosidrone! I have to agree with all the experienced pilots’ suggestion to put in stick time in a simulator as you are starting out. I had my Tinyhawk 2 out several times and was so frustrated I was about to give it up. I finally got Velosidrone loaded and after about 4 or 5 hours on it took my Tinyhawk out for a spin. The difference was immense! I still have a LONG way to go, but not I’m thinking about my next move up in this amazing sport. My ultimate goal are the long range, cinematic scenery runs, like diving mountains and such. Thank you for your videos, they are monumental to many seeking to enter this complicated, but exciting, sport!
Nice video Joshua, very balanced and full of good insights. Thanks for doing it - I didn't know it was happening so this came as a nice surprise to me :)
Velocidrone has the most tracks - SFPV going crazy building tracks. If you spend a couple days tuning you can get it to fly just like your real quad. The top pilots fly it. Hands down the best sim.
Velocidrone uses betaflight rates. They should be the same. As far as pids go, I'd recommend leaving those default. You should only change (IMO) rates, camera angle, battery size, props and enable true lens if your computer can handle it. Also a 144hz monitor is very helpful alongside a computer that can push atleast 144hz.
@@marc_frank enough? Sure. Is it hindering your performance? Without a doubt. I've seen countless guys that are great pilots (just a few seconds off the fastest guys) get a 144hz monitor and instantly become competitive with them. I'm 100% certain your lap times would improve with a 144hz monitor.
@@aus1046 probably but i'm not willing to spend 200 to 400 $ just to be better at some stupid game there are more important things i could be doing with my time and money i still enjoy flying from time to time, though
I actually pretty much hated Velocidrone until I got things set up right, it just didn’t feel anything like any RL quad I hade ever tried. I think it was MrSteele who had a video with a bunch of tweaks which got me in the right direction.
Glad to see you racing Joshua that vid was more of an insight into what its like to race more than whether the sims are useful. great insight for just another reason to have fun with friends
Makes a lot of sense. I've actually been thinking about using my goggles to play F1 2019 on PC. Once I get them anyway. I'm finally getting a set next week.
@Mike Oleksa I used to plug my Sony Glasstron video glasses into my Xbox360 through VGA and play Burnout Paradise, despite the superb optics and 832x624 displays I didn't manage more than an hour at a time before my eyes got weary, but it was a lot of fun.
GTAV on PC has a great FPV mod. You can use your transmitter via usb with your PC. Not as high fidelity as Velocidrone but great for any beginner with tons of dynamic environments
Another great vid Joshua, and yes simulators help. I learned to fly Acro FPV on FPVFreeRider and your training vids, I thank you both. Now I'm "Ripping Balls" as Joshua says.
Hi , I was big in FPV 5 years ago, and I am dusting off the quads to get back into it. I thought of a sim to learn the sticks again, Thank you for this vid, Something close to real is what I wanted , and if Josh says this is the sim, then I just pay and download. Thanks for the huge amount of info you have given to the community Josh, I doubt there is one pilot out there thant has not bennifited for your wisdom.
In the UK we don't have practice laps, we walk the track then heat 1 kicks off. I like Velocidrone, but at the moment they are not supporting the current MAC beta, so Liftoff is what I am using.
I use fpv freerider on my phone with my Qx7 and a 10 dollar headset i put my phone into. And all i can say is that it has helped tremendously!!!!! Im no racer by any means. Just a freestyle pilot. The muscle memory a sim gives you is priceless. I used one when when i flew helis. I guess what im saying is sims can only help.
Thanks, JB. I'm waiting on my Spectrum dongle then I'm downloading the Sim from your link above. I really appreciate all your videos, you're my first (and almost always last) stop for all my kwad related info, and often my first choice when I'm stuck needing to pass time while waiting in a coffee shop for a business meeting like I am currently.
This was cool. Win or lose was fun watching you race. I can see how practicing in the Sim would help. I was lost watching you run the course. Velocidrone has awesome lessons on TH-cam to use in the Sim for beginners like me. Thanks for sharing. 💖🤓
I personally think Sims have made me a better pilot. My favorite track is the shipyard in Gates of hell on DRL. The DRL racer 3 is closest to my set-up
I have DRL but the lack of creative levels is a bit annoying. Gates of Hell is like the only good one other then OutLook. Then the only good one is the carnival one in the race levels.
I was doing 20 second laps on this track (real life) 3 weeks ago with Andy Dolma FPV... in the same heat. He was pulling 12 seconds laps. Yeah, I'm old. lol.
you have to try this other drill for putting things together its the Milwaukee 12v clutched impact when you use a impact to tighten things it doesn't put so much torque to the user. and its clutched so you can set it and when it keeps hamering and doesn't move your done. you can hold it literally with 2 fingers when even on max settings. they are like $100. dude try it out. also, it works way better than a drill and using the clutch on. it still bites the fastener and spins stuff, but with the impact you don't have to hold it at all
I donno if velocidrone can but drl sim has definitely helped me the last few months. I just wish I would’ve gotten a good racing sim 2-3 years ago when I started fpv. Velocidrone does have drl beat on the graphics for the multigp tracks.
That was great Joshua. I wonder what you could do if you got obsessive, and practiced continuously for a long time? You look very controlled. The Kevin Turner's of the world also look very controlled as they do stuff mind blindingly fast. You'd do great if you really dedicated yourself to racing. But you fly great. And the sim seems so valuable that unless you're rich, with lots of quads and people to go get your quad and start fixing while you keep practicing, the simulation would be essential. I fly airplanes, and I've found that for keeping competent at flying instruments, low end simulators like Microsoft's X, work great. There, even though it doesn't feel like the plan, the instrument scan, and the procedures are all the same, and that's the hard part. I learned to fly by you on Freeflight. Thanks. Learning what I did on a real quad would have been stupid!
He lives in Florida I thought. I went from bronx NYC accent. Then living in south in military. I lost it mostly. Crazy how you pick up accent subconsciously
I don't know, I own it but don't really get warm with Velocidrone. I just like everything about Liftoff so much more... You mentioned Rotor Rush in your last livestream and I want to point out that this one is just great and probably even better for practicing racing (it's very race-focussed!). It's just very expensive, otherwise I would still use it.
Josh what do you think about setting up a drone on Velocidrone. I am new to fpv and wanted to practice with my sim (velocidrone ) with the most realistic drone settings. Help me out with my set up?
I have both Velocidrone and DRL. Velocidrone feels so much more "locked in" for me. I can't fly the MultiGP tracks in DRL anywhere near as well as I can fly them in Velocidrone. In DRL I am always overshooting my lines and struggling to not to either climb above the best height or accidentally drop to the ground. It's frustrating. I do ok on the DRL tracks where I can run wide open throttle all the time, but I suck badly on tight courses where speeds are lower and throttle plays a bigger part.
Can you do a video of you flying in Liftoff vs real life? Since your front yard is a level in the game it might be a good way to compare life vs simulator and finding good sim settings for realistic flight.
There is no way I would've been able to get into this hobby without a sim. QX7 and Velocidrone were my first purchases. Flew the sim for 3-4 months before building my first rig. Still fly Velocidrone regularly. Highly recommend for people just getting started.
Loved it JB I'll be practicing on the simulator as much as possible! As I can never get organized in reality to getnoutband fly for real! So thank you for this brill video!
Flight one? Thought they were done. Never been able to get support for them. Anyway great idea for a video, try a crazy hard trick next, see if once you can do it if it can then be done in real life.
Yes I'm sure you can. Because of sims (liftoff and Freerider) I went from crashing 2 seconds after takeoff to doing a split-s into an orbit... And I can do it on my real quad too. Sims also helped me un-learn all the bad habits I'd learned flying in auto level mode. Just rebuilt my quad with a new stack and I'm not even assigning a switch for level mode - just to change rates. I'm no expert by any means but I seriously wish I'd bought a sim WAY sooner. Best $20 you'll ever spend in this hobby!
Forgive me JB but the guy you were talking to with the Luminare shirt on had a sweet looking rig rite next to him on the table can you find out what that is do a review on it lol lools like it could be a long rang 7 inch or something thanks ib!
Kevin is correct. That was a DCL racer. Unless you are racing in DCL, I don't think that is the best frame for you to use. It has certain specific requirements that may not be ideal for other situations.
Interesting experience ! On Velocidrone FB group, I saw a few times some side by side comparison Real life/sim, it is impressive how close Velocidrone is from the reality. I am a freestyle pilote, I just race occasionally on sim because it is always a good traing, but even for freestyle, I learn a lot quicker thx to Velocidrone. I can actually fly only the weekend, but with a sim, I can practice a little bit daily :) I have tested many other sims (Liftoff, DRL, DCL, Freerider, GTA...), this one is still my favorite, even if I still use Liftoff from time to time, to vary the pleasures ;)
@@SuperSigma69 They are not bad. By default, in Liftoff the quad drop too slowly, but with a custom quad from the community, it is much better (I use "Jade" from Escape FPV)
@@TheSpiritOverSky Il n'a pas vraiment "ajouté" de poids, il a juste choisi un ensemble de composants (qui arrivent 544g) et le résultat en tout cas est bcp plus réaliste que le modèle que j'utilisais avant :)
Here's a question I don't think anyone else has asked: Since most (all?) simulators have rectilinear 'cameras' (straight lines look straight), and quad FPV cameras are all fisheye - does that affect your perception of the course in any way when you transition from sim to real? Similarly, does transitioning from the computer screen to goggles affect anything?
Try Velocidrone with True Lens turned on, if you computer can handle it. It's a resource hog, but worth it, IMO. Depending on the track, I'll turn all the pretty stuff off and run at 800x600 so that I can have it turned on. I figure that's better than my goggles and it makes it feel the most real.
@Oh Geez! Thanks, I recalled one sim did fisheye but couldn't remember which one. I don't race, I use FPV Freerider Recharged just to practice freestyle moves, I'm not trying to fly any simulated course and then apply that to a real version of it, just zipping around improving muscle memory. Sometimes I'll plug my computer into my HD2's for a bit more realism :)
@@licensetodrive9930 Velocidrone is great for freestyle too! There are way more freestyle maps than the other Sims. Plus, with true lense and the ability to simply plug in your goggles as a display, Velocidrone really becomes a no-brainer.
Still getting a couple hours of Velocidrone practice per day before buying my first quad myself, so what "V" settings are you using to match your physical drone Joshua?
I am flying the defaults here. The truth is that every quad is different, so the simulator will never feel exactly like the real thing, but the real thing will never feel exactly like the real thing either.
@@JoshuaBardwell Thanks Joshua. I was asking as I have one of the drones in the collection set to Steel's settings as suggested in one if his vids he made it "feel" like his own. Makes it quite snappy. Any suggestions on a local shop in Knoxville? Nothing over here on this side of the mountain (Asheville).
Joshua - can you please explain in your shopping list which controllers have a USB port so I could practice the simulator with the same controller I'm flying with? - thanks!
could almost pass as Dr Phil towards the end haha. Jokes aside, another informative video and I really enjoy listening to Evan. He's humble and articulate and has some great insights. Thanks for the vid
I recently bought a remote controller AT9S (radio link). What simulator is compatible with the AT95 and that works OS (MacBook Pro). Also, where I can buy the cables, usb and all that stuff for international shipping ?
i have to agree, as a person that actually got better flying a simulator first, learning the lines, flying a simulation of a course, you will definitely be better prepared for what ever flying you go do in real life. But just remember, your battery...it actually runs out of power in the really real world :P Also it doesnt matter which sim you fly, just go out and try them all!!! One last point, there are enough models in most sims, you may find the qwad you want to buy in the Sim, is available in the Real world! I'm ready to take you on Joshua Bardwell.....Come at me BRAH!! COME AT ME!!! :P
Hi Josh, cheers from Roma Italy from a new subscriber!, i'm an absolute beginner on drones world and i'd like to practice first on a simulator before to jump i the "real game"(or just to understand if this will be my next best hooby!), so, watching your amazing videos here i've decided to buy a betafpv lite radio and one (or both) simulator between velocidrone or liftoff. the question is: i have a macbook pro M1 and i can't find over the web any indications if both rc controller and simulators works properly on an Apple silicon mac. any suggestion? thanks in advance. Andrea
This is the best response! Especially for memorizing those lines. Look at how many pilots that are in sportmans class and see how many seconds separate them.
... is drilling into your own arm really a technical difficulty as such? ... :-) .... to the point and again asuper informative combo with Evan ... well timed with your laps allowing for in-depth - really depth - analysis during ... :-) .... thx guys
I can answer the title w a quick and easy yes. I started fpv in around May w sim, and flew maybe 100 hrs since then and am a much much better pilot than I would be otherwise. No breaking or price limitations w a sim
Hey JB and/or Comment Section, I'm really struggling and could use any help. I've been dipping my feet into FPV for a few months now, and I am KILLING it in the simulator. Whenever I go to actually fly the drone though, it just moves through the air much faster and the tuning doesn't even feel remotely the same as it does in the simulator (under Velocidrone's "Advanced Drone Setup"). I am uncomfortable and constantly nervous flying it in real life, while I rarely crash or touch any unwanted surfaces in Velocidrone. Does anyone have any tips?
You're ready to move to the real thing. Stick time on the real thing is the next step. You won't be as comfortable as in the sim but the sim is never exactly the same thing as real life. Start in a wider-open area where you have room to move without crashing into things and work your way up.
That's my biggest problem with racing. Managing to go fast and follow the damn course correctly. Slower I do fine. Start pushing the speed and I go through gates the wrong way or completely line up wrong going through. Ya... I'll stick to freestyle and cruising
Yeah it seems like simulators have the basic "controls" down but they never seem to have the power and gravity as a real life kwad. They seem to feel much more floaty and lack that punch in reality which I feel makes it easier to fly the real thing than simulated.
Hey Mr. B - Can you please post your choice of quad and the settings that you chose to make the SIM feel as realistic as possible to you? Screen shot on Discord?
I have a love hate relationship with velocidrone (the best sim iv used). Its fun but still feels to unrealistic and my track times are slower than real life. Great to learn muscle memory of flying without crashing though.
@@marc_frank Aye, it was open demo for a while, but I think it just went onto lock down until full release, I could be totally wrong on that. But I will say,for me, out of all the simulators it is the closest "feeling" to flying my 6" quad irl.
I tried a drone sim in steam once and it felt awkward. Can't remember which one it was at the moment. Anyways, I just purchased this one and will try it tonight after work. Hopefully it will go ok. It would be nice if they added this game to Steam. I have a pretty big library of games and it and origin are the two things I install first after updates and drive when I build new PC's. 😁
I used Velocidrone for around 3 months before I ever built a quad IRL. Now I compete at national events IRL with the help of the training and knowledge from Velocidrone.
To all the people asking for pids or setups to make vdrone feel more like IRL just stop there. All the fastest guys on vdrone (they're usually the fast guys IRL as well) use defaults except for rates and camera angle.
You need to change the way you look at Simulators. If you pickup someone elses IRL quad and try to fly it, it will NOT fly like yours. Just look at Velocidrone as another quad you need to learn. I have 2 quads I fly, my IRL identical racers and Velocidrone. When you use this mindset it will help you to become a better pilot and more versatile to change.
Think of it like real life cars. They all drive different even though the controls are basically the same. Learn to wring the most performance out of one car and you'll be able to get to that point in a different car much sooner, and eventually you'll be able to drive anything at its limits. Same thing applies to quads or wings or whatever.
What's that old saying? Practice makes perfect? It's kinda true...
What's the difference between Velo and liftoff?
@@jonathanwennstromm1578 2 different sims from 2 different companies. Both capable sims. Different maps, different online systems. Think of it like comparing Forza Motorsport and Gran Turismo. Both great sims but with different styling, tracks and cars.
This REALLY helps to hear. Thank you!
8:44 - Speaker: "Bardwell needs time. He's over there learning things."
HAHA that's the best!. I didn't catch it the first time round
That’s our local race announcer Ian . He always cracks me up !
@@kevinjulievan he sounds awesome
?? The edit skips at that exact moment, I cant hear anything announced except joshs response to it
I've tried the DRL Sim and really like it but have never tried Velcidrone. I'm going to give it a shot! Thanks for the video!
Did it work out
@@zero00419 I like it at least I can fly when the weathers bad
DRL vs velocidrone?
The sim almost translated perfectly for me. It saved me a lot of money.
Velocidrone?
SuperSigma yes sir my first flight is posted
I was FINALLY able to get my Tinyhawk 2 RTF set up in BetaFlight to use the drone as the dongle, so I am now up and running in Velosidrone! I have to agree with all the experienced pilots’ suggestion to put in stick time in a simulator as you are starting out. I had my Tinyhawk 2 out several times and was so frustrated I was about to give it up. I finally got Velosidrone loaded and after about 4 or 5 hours on it took my Tinyhawk out for a spin. The difference was immense! I still have a LONG way to go, but not I’m thinking about my next move up in this amazing sport. My ultimate goal are the long range, cinematic scenery runs, like diving mountains and such. Thank you for your videos, they are monumental to many seeking to enter this complicated, but exciting, sport!
Nice video Joshua, very balanced and full of good insights. Thanks for doing it - I didn't know it was happening so this came as a nice surprise to me :)
Velocidrone has the most tracks - SFPV going crazy building tracks. If you spend a couple days tuning you can get it to fly just like your real quad. The top pilots fly it. Hands down the best sim.
How about some updated tutorials with Velocidrone with suggestions on which quad to use and proper pid and rate conversions.
Velocidrone uses betaflight rates. They should be the same. As far as pids go, I'd recommend leaving those default.
You should only change (IMO) rates, camera angle, battery size, props and enable true lens if your computer can handle it.
Also a 144hz monitor is very helpful alongside a computer that can push atleast 144hz.
@@aus1046 i have a 75hz screen and it's enough
computer could do more, but it's ok
i can usually get into the top 50 in drl if i try
@@marc_frank enough? Sure. Is it hindering your performance? Without a doubt.
I've seen countless guys that are great pilots (just a few seconds off the fastest guys) get a 144hz monitor and instantly become competitive with them. I'm 100% certain your lap times would improve with a 144hz monitor.
@@aus1046 probably
but i'm not willing to spend 200 to 400 $
just to be better at some stupid game
there are more important things i could be doing with my time and money
i still enjoy flying from time to time, though
I actually pretty much hated Velocidrone until I got things set up right, it just didn’t feel anything like any RL quad I hade ever tried. I think it was MrSteele who had a video with a bunch of tweaks which got me in the right direction.
I recently learned to fly acro in liftoff, makes me way more confident when I get my FPV goggles and can fly my tinyhawk in acro.
I'm a total noob also. But, liftoff has saved me a lot of walking also.
Hi josh would you think plugging the goggles in improves the feeling rather then a screen???
Good to see you racing Joshua, nice little experiment. I love Velocidrone; it's helped me become a better pilot for a long time now.
Glad to see you racing Joshua that vid was more of an insight into what its like to race more than whether the sims are useful. great insight for just another reason to have fun with friends
You're one of the pilots who got me started.
Just bought a spektrum dx6 radio and velocidrone.
Freaking awesome but still very green lol
I love how JB slowly gets an accent throughout this video 😂
I learned how to fly in GTAV
That's badicly what my brain sad when I flew my first Fpv plane
Makes a lot of sense. I've actually been thinking about using my goggles to play F1 2019 on PC. Once I get them anyway. I'm finally getting a set next week.
@Mike Oleksa I used to plug my Sony Glasstron video glasses into my Xbox360 through VGA and play Burnout Paradise, despite the superb optics and 832x624 displays I didn't manage more than an hour at a time before my eyes got weary, but it was a lot of fun.
I learned playing warhawk on PS3 dogfights.
GTAV on PC has a great FPV mod. You can use your transmitter via usb with your PC. Not as high fidelity as Velocidrone but great for any beginner with tons of dynamic environments
Another great vid Joshua, and yes simulators help. I learned to fly Acro FPV on FPVFreeRider and your training vids, I thank you both. Now I'm "Ripping Balls" as Joshua says.
Hi , I was big in FPV 5 years ago, and I am dusting off the quads to get back into it. I thought of a sim to learn the sticks again, Thank you for this vid, Something close to real is what I wanted , and if Josh says this is the sim, then I just pay and download. Thanks for the huge amount of info you have given to the community Josh, I doubt there is one pilot out there thant has not bennifited for your wisdom.
I like The DRL simulator, physics and graphics are awesome.
In the UK we don't have practice laps, we walk the track then heat 1 kicks off. I like Velocidrone, but at the moment they are not supporting the current MAC beta, so Liftoff is what I am using.
Just like dryfire and practice runs in 3gun competition. Practice, practice, practice. Good video.
I use fpv freerider on my phone with my Qx7 and a 10 dollar headset i put my phone into. And all i can say is that it has helped tremendously!!!!! Im no racer by any means. Just a freestyle pilot. The muscle memory a sim gives you is priceless. I used one when when i flew helis. I guess what im saying is sims can only help.
This was a good one, JB. I've been a lone wolf freestyle pilot for over a year now and I'm fascinated by the community that is out there for racer's.
Thanks, JB. I'm waiting on my Spectrum dongle then I'm downloading the Sim from your link above. I really appreciate all your videos, you're my first (and almost always last) stop for all my kwad related info, and often my first choice when I'm stuck needing to pass time while waiting in a coffee shop for a business meeting like I am currently.
Is there an updated link for the velocidrone discord? I want to participate in these events but can't seem to find the community anywhere
This was cool. Win or lose was fun watching you race. I can see how practicing in the Sim would help. I was lost watching you run the course.
Velocidrone has awesome lessons on TH-cam to use in the Sim for beginners like me. Thanks for sharing. 💖🤓
Sims are so important, even for freestyle practice!!
I personally think Sims have made me a better pilot. My favorite track is the shipyard in Gates of hell on DRL. The DRL racer 3 is closest to my set-up
yeah that one is cool
i also like treetops and the valkenburg session
from the featured tracks
I have DRL but the lack of creative levels is a bit annoying. Gates of Hell is like the only good one other then OutLook. Then the only good one is the carnival one in the race levels.
What great bunch of characters hahaha! This was so cool thank you, this may mark my entrance into drone racing
I only sim for practice and save my gear for the races on the weekends. Velocidrone just works!
I was doing 20 second laps on this track (real life) 3 weeks ago with Andy Dolma FPV... in the same heat. He was pulling 12 seconds laps. Yeah, I'm old. lol.
you have to try this other drill for putting things together
its the Milwaukee 12v clutched impact
when you use a impact to tighten things it doesn't put so much torque to the user. and its clutched so you can set it and when it keeps hamering and doesn't move your done. you can hold it literally with 2 fingers when even on max settings. they are like $100. dude try it out.
also, it works way better than a drill and using the clutch on. it still bites the fastener and spins stuff, but with the impact you don't have to hold it at all
I donno if velocidrone can but drl sim has definitely helped me the last few months. I just wish I would’ve gotten a good racing sim 2-3 years ago when I started fpv. Velocidrone does have drl beat on the graphics for the multigp tracks.
That was great Joshua. I wonder what you could do if you got obsessive, and practiced continuously for a long time? You look very controlled. The Kevin Turner's of the world also look very controlled as they do stuff mind blindingly fast. You'd do great if you really dedicated yourself to racing. But you fly great. And the sim seems so valuable that unless you're rich, with lots of quads and people to go get your quad and start fixing while you keep practicing, the simulation would be essential. I fly airplanes, and I've found that for keeping competent at flying instruments, low end simulators like Microsoft's X, work great. There, even though it doesn't feel like the plan, the instrument scan, and the procedures are all the same, and that's the hard part. I learned to fly by you on Freeflight. Thanks. Learning what I did on a real quad would have been stupid!
Lol I hear that southern twang JB. lolol it happens to me also
He lives in Florida I thought. I went from bronx NYC accent. Then living in south in military. I lost it mostly. Crazy how you pick up accent subconsciously
Which track name is this?
Also I would say try using the ghost lap on Velocidrone as that seems like a great way to progress. Cheers
That's the TOG GQ track. Just search "TOG" and you'll find it, along with a bunch of other wicked fun real life tracks.
I don't know, I own it but don't really get warm with Velocidrone. I just like everything about Liftoff so much more... You mentioned Rotor Rush in your last livestream and I want to point out that this one is just great and probably even better for practicing racing (it's very race-focussed!).
It's just very expensive, otherwise I would still use it.
Josh what do you think about setting up a drone on Velocidrone. I am new to fpv and wanted to practice with my sim (velocidrone ) with the most realistic drone settings. Help me
out with my set up?
Velocidrone vs. Liftoff!
Sick wheels Joshua
I have both Velocidrone and DRL. Velocidrone feels so much more "locked in" for me. I can't fly the MultiGP tracks in DRL anywhere near as well as I can fly them in Velocidrone. In DRL I am always overshooting my lines and struggling to not to either climb above the best height or accidentally drop to the ground. It's frustrating.
I do ok on the DRL tracks where I can run wide open throttle all the time, but I suck badly on tight courses where speeds are lower and throttle plays a bigger part.
(Me in a basement tied up.) "Suddenly I hear the intro to Joshua's videos." No please, anything but that!
Can you do a video of you flying in Liftoff vs real life? Since your front yard is a level in the game it might be a good way to compare life vs simulator and finding good sim settings for realistic flight.
At least Evan acknowledges that showing up with the coolest looking quads means something.
bardwell you have to come race with us in velocidrone on wednesdays!!
There is no way I would've been able to get into this hobby without a sim. QX7 and Velocidrone were my first purchases. Flew the sim for 3-4 months before building my first rig. Still fly Velocidrone regularly. Highly recommend for people just getting started.
@Joshua Bardwell.....What are the quietest 5in props that you've tested???
Loved it JB I'll be practicing on the simulator as much as possible! As I can never get organized in reality to getnoutband fly for real! So thank you for this brill video!
Flight one? Thought they were done. Never been able to get support for them.
Anyway great idea for a video, try a crazy hard trick next, see if once you can do it if it can then be done in real life.
Yes I'm sure you can. Because of sims (liftoff and Freerider) I went from crashing 2 seconds after takeoff to doing a split-s into an orbit... And I can do it on my real quad too. Sims also helped me un-learn all the bad habits I'd learned flying in auto level mode. Just rebuilt my quad with a new stack and I'm not even assigning a switch for level mode - just to change rates.
I'm no expert by any means but I seriously wish I'd bought a sim WAY sooner. Best $20 you'll ever spend in this hobby!
Forgive me JB but the guy you were talking to with the Luminare shirt on had a sweet looking rig rite next to him on the table can you find out what that is do a review on it lol lools like it could be a long rang 7 inch or something thanks ib!
EastCoast FPV that was Alex campbell and I’ll bet that was his DCL quad that his team quadforce one uses
Kevin is correct. That was a DCL racer. Unless you are racing in DCL, I don't think that is the best frame for you to use. It has certain specific requirements that may not be ideal for other situations.
@@kevinjulievan i see i got understand interesting looking quad there wish we could get a close up thanks for responding to me
@@JoshuaBardwell wonder what that rig consists of is it a team secret? Thanks for writing back jb
Is that a 7 inch frame?
Glad I'm not the only one who flips upside down and crashes when I finish a lap.
Interesting experience ! On Velocidrone FB group, I saw a few times some side by side comparison Real life/sim, it is impressive how close Velocidrone is from the reality. I am a freestyle pilote, I just race occasionally on sim because it is always a good traing, but even for freestyle, I learn a lot quicker thx to Velocidrone. I can actually fly only the weekend, but with a sim, I can practice a little bit daily :) I have tested many other sims (Liftoff, DRL, DCL, Freerider, GTA...), this one is still my favorite, even if I still use Liftoff from time to time, to vary the pleasures ;)
How different are they (lift off and drl) from real life? i got liftoff and drl. Are they that bad?
@@SuperSigma69 They are not bad. By default, in Liftoff the quad drop too slowly, but with a custom quad from the community, it is much better (I use "Jade" from Escape FPV)
@@jejefpv J'aimerai savoir combien de poids Escape a rajouté, tu pourrais me dire ça ? Merci... =)
@@TheSpiritOverSky Il n'a pas vraiment "ajouté" de poids, il a juste choisi un ensemble de composants (qui arrivent 544g) et le résultat en tout cas est bcp plus réaliste que le modèle que j'utilisais avant :)
Here's a question I don't think anyone else has asked:
Since most (all?) simulators have rectilinear 'cameras' (straight lines look straight), and quad FPV cameras are all fisheye - does that affect your perception of the course in any way when you transition from sim to real?
Similarly, does transitioning from the computer screen to goggles affect anything?
Try Velocidrone with True Lens turned on, if you computer can handle it. It's a resource hog, but worth it, IMO. Depending on the track, I'll turn all the pretty stuff off and run at 800x600 so that I can have it turned on. I figure that's better than my goggles and it makes it feel the most real.
@Oh Geez! Thanks, I recalled one sim did fisheye but couldn't remember which one.
I don't race, I use FPV Freerider Recharged just to practice freestyle moves, I'm not trying to fly any simulated course and then apply that to a real version of it, just zipping around improving muscle memory.
Sometimes I'll plug my computer into my HD2's for a bit more realism :)
@@licensetodrive9930 Velocidrone is great for freestyle too! There are way more freestyle maps than the other Sims. Plus, with true lense and the ability to simply plug in your goggles as a display, Velocidrone really becomes a no-brainer.
Still getting a couple hours of Velocidrone practice per day before buying my first quad myself, so what "V" settings are you using to match your physical drone Joshua?
I am flying the defaults here. The truth is that every quad is different, so the simulator will never feel exactly like the real thing, but the real thing will never feel exactly like the real thing either.
@@JoshuaBardwell Thanks Joshua. I was asking as I have one of the drones in the collection set to Steel's settings as suggested in one if his vids he made it "feel" like his own. Makes it quite snappy. Any suggestions on a local shop in Knoxville? Nothing over here on this side of the mountain (Asheville).
I have liftoff is that a goos enough flite sim
Thanks for posting this, I recently asked the very question you just answered with this video.
Velocidrone VS DRL VS Liftoff? Which one is best to learn on.
If your focus is on racing, it seems like Velocidrone has the edge.
Do you think you would do better with your freestyle rig and rates instead of changing to a race quad and rates?
Definitely not. Lower rates for racing give much much MUCH more control. The only thing they can't do is snappy moves, which freestyle pilots want.
Joshua - can you please explain in your shopping list which controllers have a USB port so I could practice the simulator with the same controller I'm flying with? - thanks!
All controllers have a USB port. That's how they are configured.
What is Velocidrone .. where can i learn how to connect it to my transmitter .
I started with DRL because Liftoff is dumb and wants you to have a crazy PC for it. Velocidrone vs DCL for my next one?
I liked this more than I thought when I clicked. You beat. Great video.
nice track....what the name of this track on veloci?
Your accent gets more and more southern through the video... same thing happens to me when I'm around my family 😂
could almost pass as Dr Phil towards the end haha.
Jokes aside, another informative video and I really enjoy listening to Evan. He's humble and articulate and has some great insights. Thanks for the vid
I recently bought a remote controller AT9S (radio link). What simulator is compatible with the AT95 and that works OS (MacBook Pro). Also, where I can buy the cables, usb and all that stuff for international shipping ?
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Is this version of the course available in stock velocidrone? I have a slightly different version in the "empty grass" scene.
All I know is I downloaded the latest version and this was available from it.
LMOA I love how you put in the footer "Evan Turner (HeadsUpFPV) FASTER THAN ALEX VANOVER"
I have to imagine that's a jab!
It's just a fact that he beat Vanover at the DRL championships. Got to keep Alex humble you know.
Is there a guide anywhere for settings in Velocidrone? I usually fly Liftoff and can hardly find my way in Velocidrone, gave up several times.
Maybe just copy from Steele or somebody
Steele has tutorial
Steele's settings are for a much older version of velocidrone I think.
@@JoshuaBardwell I just set up last night with Steel's settings. What do you recommend now? Stock settings?
For more immersion. How about setting the drone in front of the screen and play with fpv google on ?!?
You are crazy LoL. HD system is out. Fly in HD on Sims, & en HD IRL.
i have to agree, as a person that actually got better flying a simulator first, learning the lines, flying a simulation of a course, you will definitely be better prepared for what ever flying you go do in real life. But just remember, your battery...it actually runs out of power in the really real world :P Also it doesnt matter which sim you fly, just go out and try them all!!! One last point, there are enough models in most sims, you may find the qwad you want to buy in the Sim, is available in the Real world! I'm ready to take you on Joshua Bardwell.....Come at me BRAH!! COME AT ME!!! :P
Hi Josh, cheers from Roma Italy from a new subscriber!, i'm an absolute beginner on drones world and i'd like to practice first on a simulator before to jump i the "real game"(or just to understand if this will be my next best hooby!), so, watching your amazing videos here i've decided to buy a betafpv lite radio and one (or both) simulator between velocidrone or liftoff. the question is: i have a macbook pro M1 and i can't find over the web any indications if both rc controller and simulators works properly on an Apple silicon mac. any suggestion? thanks in advance. Andrea
You should ask the game dev support email about this I'm not sure.
@@JoshuaBardwell thank you!
better question... can you even be competitive without practicing for a race in a simulator. lol!
I give you an answer... =)
Totally true. You can - but it's way more expensive.
This is the best response! Especially for memorizing those lines. Look at how many pilots that are in sportmans class and see how many seconds separate them.
I can't find the track on Velocidrone
What's your outro music?
Great video enjoy listening and learning from your channel.
NIce. Yeah sims will help. By the way nice 5.0L Josh
... is drilling into your own arm really a technical difficulty as such? ... :-) .... to the point and again asuper informative combo with Evan ... well timed with your laps allowing for in-depth - really depth - analysis during ... :-) .... thx guys
It was the prop that cut me not the drill.
5:14 BeratFPV is there to win some races :D
Yükseklerde Berat is very good !
@@kevinjulievan in deed he is :)
I can answer the title w a quick and easy yes. I started fpv in around May w sim, and flew maybe 100 hrs since then and am a much much better pilot than I would be otherwise. No breaking or price limitations w a sim
I smell a CHALLENGE RACE!!
I should fly more MultiGP tracks on VelociDrone, been flying your yard in LiftOff a lot lately!
Hey JB and/or Comment Section, I'm really struggling and could use any help. I've been dipping my feet into FPV for a few months now, and I am KILLING it in the simulator. Whenever I go to actually fly the drone though, it just moves through the air much faster and the tuning doesn't even feel remotely the same as it does in the simulator (under Velocidrone's "Advanced Drone Setup"). I am uncomfortable and constantly nervous flying it in real life, while I rarely crash or touch any unwanted surfaces in Velocidrone. Does anyone have any tips?
You're ready to move to the real thing. Stick time on the real thing is the next step. You won't be as comfortable as in the sim but the sim is never exactly the same thing as real life. Start in a wider-open area where you have room to move without crashing into things and work your way up.
I'm using LiftOff to learn freestyle. Is Velocidrone more closer to the real one?
I have no idea on how to know where to go, have you ever done a tutorial on how to read the markers?
Honestly you have to memorize the track. I'm not sure anybody relies solely on the markers.
Rick LaBanca but somehow you knew to go to the top vs bottom gate direction etc. how do you know that?
Why do so many racers run analog vs digital?
That's my biggest problem with racing. Managing to go fast and follow the damn course correctly. Slower I do fine. Start pushing the speed and I go through gates the wrong way or completely line up wrong going through. Ya... I'll stick to freestyle and cruising
Yeah it seems like simulators have the basic "controls" down but they never seem to have the power and gravity as a real life kwad. They seem to feel much more floaty and lack that punch in reality which I feel makes it easier to fly the real thing than simulated.
Hey Mr. B - Can you please post your choice of quad and the settings that you chose to make the SIM feel as realistic as possible to you? Screen shot on Discord?
I've been using DRL to help me get better!
Nothing like getting interviewed while eating, haha sweat revenge I dig it..
What the F is that quad in the bottom left corner of the video at 5:21?
It's a DCL racing quad.
www.dcl.aero/
4 bladesprops?
I have a love hate relationship with velocidrone (the best sim iv used). Its fun but still feels to unrealistic and my track times are slower than real life. Great to learn muscle memory of flying without crashing though.
Hi what simulator did u flay
5:17 I have to just say I frikin loooove the DCL drones and the DCL in general. Go QF1! :D
i can't download the dcl game from steam
it says it will launch in 3 months
@@marc_frank Aye, it was open demo for a while, but I think it just went onto lock down until full release, I could be totally wrong on that. But I will say,for me, out of all the simulators it is the closest "feeling" to flying my 6" quad irl.
Valocedrone settings? And which drone? Cam tilt etc
Default settings. Cam tilt like 45 degrees. Drone was the Karearea I think.
Really, really interesting conversation, Joshua! And great flying there! 😃
Man, I gotta get into racing once COVID is over. That looked like a blast
What are your settings, my dad and I got it and our quad floats endlessly, and the rates stink.
I am flying in default settings here.
Make sure you are getting at least 60 fps. If you have a weak graphics card it can affect the physics feel.
In the beginning of the video Evan said "10 packs of qualifying"? Does he mean over the course of back to back days of racing?
No, in one day. We did ten rounds of qualifying, three heats per round, 30 total heats in the day.
I tried a drone sim in steam once and it felt awkward. Can't remember which one it was at the moment. Anyways, I just purchased this one and will try it tonight after work. Hopefully it will go ok.
It would be nice if they added this game to Steam. I have a pretty big library of games and it and origin are the two things I install first after updates and drive when I build new PC's. 😁