Jaheira saying she's traveled with one of Durge's kind before is a brilliant foreshadowing! Must've been very frustrating for Durge to hear someone claim knowing what they are but not knowing or understanding it themself.
When you find out the truth early Act 3, the narration goes something along the lines of “It is as you feared, a Bhaalspawn” which suggests Durge suspected and this was just the final confirmation. Also the Bhaalspawn MC from BG1/BG2 are quite famous and Jaheira is famous for travelling with them - so it’s pretty easy to infer what she means by that line too.
@@waimarieheap5608 You're right, I forgot about that Narrator line. And I haven't played BG1 and BG2 so I didn't know the story of those games. Still, I thought that was a pretty neat foreshadowing.
Honestly, I don't think the foreshadowing really works here. Anyone that's going to cotton onto that clue was probably already going "oh, so I'm a Bhaalspawn" ever since you spontaneously murder someone in your camp in Act 1. It's Baldur's Gate 3, you do a murder not of your accord but because you're driven to it, its not exactly a great secret. It's a disappointing part of playing as Durge, the game isn't built around the MC being a Bhaalspawn anymore than it is built around the player being Some Dude or Astarion, so they don't really have the ability to fully support it like BG1 and 2 could. It's not terrible, but it just felt kinda tacked on all-told.
@@Wraithfighter Durge is kind of dazed and confused and doesn’t remember anything from before waking up on the Nautiloid. A chunk of their brain is damaged thanks to Orins dagger piercing it + maybe the tadpole actually does eat brain. Plus Bhaalspawn are supposed to be extinct. So it’s understandable that it wouldn’t be the first conclusion jumped to. Also, I thought Durge was supposed to be the main character and then they added Tav at a latter point so that people could role play their own backstories instead of being assigned one? So the original story was based around Durge as the MC. Also I agree in the sense that having a Bhaalspawn MC kinda reiterates BG1/2 all over again but at the same time like the original commenter here said - a lot of people haven’t played those games so this lore and story is all new and fresh. I mean I’ve been a BioWare fan for a long time and played games as old as Knights of the Old Republic from them, but I actually had never even heard of Baldur’s Gate until 3 came out. And I only looked into the lore of the first 2 because I was interested in Jaheira and Minsc’s significance.
@@waimarieheap5608 I was more referring to how a player that is familiar with BG1 and 2 is very likely to guess that Durge is a Bhaalspawn just due to familiarity with the franchise and Act 1's own clues. I'm aware that the game has in-universe explanations for it, just not what I was talking about. I agree that Durge seems to be the intended main PC for the game, but Larian kinda fucked that up with the character creation UI. Only 15% of people who didn't select one of the Party Member characters went with Durge over Tav, because Tav is heavily prioritized in that UI (its at the top, alone, while Durge is buried at the back end of the Party Member characters). I honestly wonder what would've happened if Larian had tossed out the Multiplayer-first design ideas, and locked in on Singleplayer-first with Durge being the main PC always. Durge content has a tendency to feel tacked on a lot of places, like its not a core part of the story (because, well, it isn't, it can be jettisoned entirely without affecting the main plot). But what's there is really great, too. I just wish they had been able to focus on it, expand it, really make it a core part of the story.
wow, i just did my first evil durge and i got some of these, but aaaah that insight check with isobel is crazy, i'd never seen that before. also maybe stupid question, but what exactly is a "faithwarden"? it seemed your durge was a druid, but i know nothing about them, so i'm unclear
You get that title from act 1's druid questline, exposing Kagha's reason to do the rite of thorns and then stop the goblins, protecting the druids faith. I think it only comes up in this dialogue, idk if anywhere else.
@@Liluchipuchi yes its a Druid exclusive thing, she gives you a staff and you get the title of Faithwarden (though other than a couple of interactions it doesn’t do much so it’s mostly just for role play reasons)
You can still get Minthara without raiding the grove. You have to knock her out in Act 1 while "temporarily hostile" is in play, and you'll be able to recruit her in Act 2.
Minthara be like: Bro please 🙏 I don’t care how evil you are, just give a heads-up the next time.
Astarion be like: Look I'm not sad that she's dead but we could've used her to our advantage
Jaheira saying she's traveled with one of Durge's kind before is a brilliant foreshadowing! Must've been very frustrating for Durge to hear someone claim knowing what they are but not knowing or understanding it themself.
When you find out the truth early Act 3, the narration goes something along the lines of “It is as you feared, a Bhaalspawn” which suggests Durge suspected and this was just the final confirmation. Also the Bhaalspawn MC from BG1/BG2 are quite famous and Jaheira is famous for travelling with them - so it’s pretty easy to infer what she means by that line too.
@@waimarieheap5608 You're right, I forgot about that Narrator line. And I haven't played BG1 and BG2 so I didn't know the story of those games. Still, I thought that was a pretty neat foreshadowing.
Honestly, I don't think the foreshadowing really works here. Anyone that's going to cotton onto that clue was probably already going "oh, so I'm a Bhaalspawn" ever since you spontaneously murder someone in your camp in Act 1. It's Baldur's Gate 3, you do a murder not of your accord but because you're driven to it, its not exactly a great secret.
It's a disappointing part of playing as Durge, the game isn't built around the MC being a Bhaalspawn anymore than it is built around the player being Some Dude or Astarion, so they don't really have the ability to fully support it like BG1 and 2 could. It's not terrible, but it just felt kinda tacked on all-told.
@@Wraithfighter Durge is kind of dazed and confused and doesn’t remember anything from before waking up on the Nautiloid. A chunk of their brain is damaged thanks to Orins dagger piercing it + maybe the tadpole actually does eat brain. Plus Bhaalspawn are supposed to be extinct. So it’s understandable that it wouldn’t be the first conclusion jumped to.
Also, I thought Durge was supposed to be the main character and then they added Tav at a latter point so that people could role play their own backstories instead of being assigned one? So the original story was based around Durge as the MC.
Also I agree in the sense that having a Bhaalspawn MC kinda reiterates BG1/2 all over again but at the same time like the original commenter here said - a lot of people haven’t played those games so this lore and story is all new and fresh. I mean I’ve been a BioWare fan for a long time and played games as old as Knights of the Old Republic from them, but I actually had never even heard of Baldur’s Gate until 3 came out. And I only looked into the lore of the first 2 because I was interested in Jaheira and Minsc’s significance.
@@waimarieheap5608 I was more referring to how a player that is familiar with BG1 and 2 is very likely to guess that Durge is a Bhaalspawn just due to familiarity with the franchise and Act 1's own clues. I'm aware that the game has in-universe explanations for it, just not what I was talking about.
I agree that Durge seems to be the intended main PC for the game, but Larian kinda fucked that up with the character creation UI. Only 15% of people who didn't select one of the Party Member characters went with Durge over Tav, because Tav is heavily prioritized in that UI (its at the top, alone, while Durge is buried at the back end of the Party Member characters).
I honestly wonder what would've happened if Larian had tossed out the Multiplayer-first design ideas, and locked in on Singleplayer-first with Durge being the main PC always. Durge content has a tendency to feel tacked on a lot of places, like its not a core part of the story (because, well, it isn't, it can be jettisoned entirely without affecting the main plot).
But what's there is really great, too. I just wish they had been able to focus on it, expand it, really make it a core part of the story.
I love how Jaheira can counter your flowery Druid answers with her own. She's a Druid too, she knows how this works.
pikajulie has posted more BG3 lore stuff, I am seated and excited :D
Your comment made my day! ❤️✨ Thank you so much!!!
12:52 isobel checking how many hours i have rn
wow, i just did my first evil durge and i got some of these, but aaaah that insight check with isobel is crazy, i'd never seen that before. also maybe stupid question, but what exactly is a "faithwarden"? it seemed your durge was a druid, but i know nothing about them, so i'm unclear
You get that title from act 1's druid questline, exposing Kagha's reason to do the rite of thorns and then stop the goblins, protecting the druids faith. I think it only comes up in this dialogue, idk if anywhere else.
@@doge7877 oooh, i always do that but have never gotten that title. I'm guessing you have to be a druid as well, then (never played one before)
@@Liluchipuchi yes its a Druid exclusive thing, she gives you a staff and you get the title of Faithwarden (though other than a couple of interactions it doesn’t do much so it’s mostly just for role play reasons)
11:48 I ALWAYS SUPPORT WULBREN HATE
playing with a pad, my respect
Love the Wulbren hate
Wait so how did you get the Faithwarden dialogue if you raided the grove?
You can still get Minthara without raiding the grove. You have to knock her out in Act 1 while "temporarily hostile" is in play, and you'll be able to recruit her in Act 2.
But also you can expose the shadowdruids before raiding technically
@@amber61pop They did expressly state that they raided the grove though
@@sweetphoenix5386 I replied again lol