Most of there merch is made outside of the U.S.A so the company slowly sells out their own people. This is the case with 99 percent of big corporations. Many jobs are lost or never handed to our people. Yet its still better then buying a Honda. I will never buy a new Harley. I will enjoy the past bikes and history. If I buy new I will buy an Indian.
CEO does what the board wants, the Board ist filled with tools of the institutional stakeholders. I doubt they care of the riders as long as the dealer is the actual customer.
The last 3 CEOs have been an absolute embarrassment to the Legend. The last idiot could not eve sit on a bike right. Selling all my stock at a loss and buying PUT options against Harley down to $26.00 to make my money back.
This is just the beginning. Unless there is a change at the top, and the German is removed, that manufacturing isn’t coming back. Eventually more models will go overseas.
This has been their plan all along. A company doesn't just wake up one day and say, "you know what, let's just move production over seas". It was planned at least a couple of years ago. The people running the MOCO don't really care about the company like we do. It's very plain to see by the DEI and woke stuff that it's been bought and paid for by cucks for a while now. The truth sucks, but there it is.
Kansas City should be your red flag, it always starts off small. Moving production for only one year makes no sense. I call bullshit on that. Building bikes in Thailand and importing them back to sell in the US market is a flat no for me.
Look at Hyundai they set up a factory in Alabama to make cars; now let’s see Hyosung selling their bikes under the Indian brand and making them in the USA sure they will revive the 841 and market it as The Motorcycle That Survived Pearl Harbor, yet Hyosung copied the V-Rod and soon will sell it as an Indian Eagle. Just to say they will use some kind of strategic of the President of Argentina wearing a Japanese headband to say that Indian was their for the Falkland Wars to piss off Japanese people to use the comparison of Falkland with the Linancourt Rocks. This is Hyosung’s strategy!
Harley Davidson died the day Willie G Davidson retired.The new management and designers are out of touch with the riders and it's following and are trying to push out older riders to sell bikes to gen z kids who care about little else except video games.
Yes...his son Bill runs the museum and his daughter is in the clothing department...but I wish they would find a way to step up to the board ...or even one of them become the CEO
They are not pushing out older riders. They had to expand York to assemble all those 50K mobility scooters (Trikes). It makes sense that the bikes that use a different engine, not the M8, in a different facility. The key is the government money they got for doing it.
I have bought 9 new Harley-Davidsons in my lifetime. I would never be interested in the Nightster at this point in my life no matter what the price was. However, there is a principle at work here. The company is shifting away from its American base. That same American base will not appreciate this. They will lose more customers who buy other styles of bikes. After their woke stance, they may have already lost a major percentage. Nothing like kicking a few more in the teeth. How many will stay loyal to a company who isn't loyal to us, the consumer who buys their products? All I can say is that if they do not shift directions fast, I won't be buying my 10th Harley. My next bike will likely be an Indian.
over the years, many of my non riding friends would ask me what's so great about your Harley, why do you love Harley Davidson? one of the things I would always mention in response is that H-D is so American. It's heritage, the quality, their success, always built right here in the USA with much pride. Along with some of the other news lately, I'm starting to quickly lose my enthusiasm for the brand. Disappointing to say the least.
@@RidingintheOzarks It is probably easier (cheaper) to ship to us here in Australia from Thailand than the States. Our whole range save for the new X350 and the X500 are out of Thailand, the X series are out of China. We don't sweat it too much. It's not advertised obviously through the dealers that your new H-D comes from Thailand rather than the US. I don't suppose that 'Ride the Thai Legend' on all of the branding in the dealerships would have the same ring to it as 'Ride the American Legend'. When I purchased my new 2024 CVO Road Glide I pointedly asked the dealer where the bike will be made and he responded "I think the CVO's are still made in the US" I'm sure he full well knew they come from Thailand. The compliance label is even positioned so its difficult to read (impossible) the country of manufacture. The build quality is still there but I do notice that things like the paint, etc. has declined over the years compared to earlier H-D's I've owned. However I'm presuming that this is the same irrespective of where the bike is manufactured. I also note little cost savings in the way of no compendium for the owners manual but a plastic bag. Thanks for the video it was good to hear what was said in that press conference as I had not heard it mentioned elsewhere. I find it highly unlikely that H-D will tool up an assembly line for a 12 month run, could be wrong but I probably doubt it.
I'm in the market for a touring bike next yr and indian is looking better all the time. They came out and said bikes sold in America are built here. I know harley touring bikes are still american made but the way management is going I question the direction they're going. I would not by a rev max bike made overseas. Plenty of other better options. Very disappointed in harley. Their board of directors and ceo need to go.
@trailblazeratv6306 I have a 1250rt and it's the best riding bike I've been on but my wife isn't the most comfortable so gonna my other bike in, a heritage. I feel even bmw, a foreign company, is more into their customers than harley is.
My aunt recently handed me down a pair of her old HD leather chaps to wear on my 2003 Dyna, she bought them in 1991 and the label says made in the U.S.A! Leather is thick with tough panel stitching and the craftsmanship is excellent. A stark contrast to my HD jacket which I purchased in 2016 that is made in China, that thing feels more like a fashion piece than riding gear for abrasion protection. If the bikes themselves go overseas, I can't ever see myself buying a new Harley. 😔 The Motor Co's new slogan should be changed to "Harley Davidson - The Death of an American Legend!"
Its a good story Miranda. Where did you hear it? From your dumb mates at the bar! Jumping on the bandwagon because you are too lazy to research the TRUTH! Just bleating like all the rest of the gullible sheep!
Once again, love your insight into this. I would never buy one of those bikes, and being from Canada, the "Made in The USA" or "Assembled in the USA" doesn't mean that much to me. Every model bought in Canada is made elsewhere. I'll stick with my '08 ultra, and '11 Tri-Glide. I do agree that the CEO, doesn't seem to be the right guy for the job. That's where an American should hold the CEO title.
Look at the parts of your motorcycle, electronics made in Mexico, front legs made in Japan to name just a few parts. I wonder if the snowscooter company is completly build in the US.
@@RidingintheOzarks Goddamit! All HD V-twins are built in America! 95% of their production. These Thailand built bikes are only a few small displacement models. This ignorant jingoistic bullshit gets so old! But I suppose it gets clicks!
I don't care how small percentage of their market is, my issue is loss of good paying jobs with benefits for Americans!!! Try being 50 years old losing that job that pays your mortgage, auto, medical, food, etc. Sure go back to school and get re-educated. Doesn't work in majority of cases and you end up working at an unskilled labor job and slowly lose everything you worked for!!!!! HD already has turned most models into a boutique brand due to pricing and if you can't afford it you go used or to other manufacturers
These models were never produced in the US. No US jobs will be lost. If these small bikes were made in the US, HD would go broke. The US wages are too high. But these Thailand bikes made with much lower labor costs will make a small bottom-line profit for HD. Great for HD, as that money can be poured into improving the big V-twins ~ all made in the USA. You need to look past the end of your nose, James my friend!
Its all about corporate greed and feeding their need for more and more. It this case leadership is flawed and unrealistic. Their first mistake was getting rid of a real entry line and focusing on more expensive models and selling less units at a higher cost.
There's nothing wrong with Thailand. Their education system is improving and they have a world class health care system. They are also becoming well known as quality manufacturers, with a lot of recent investment in both plant and training. Thailand's moving forward while a lot of the world is falling behind.
"Saving on labor costs" = F the US labor force. They will pocket that savings so, killing the heritage of America's greatest motorcycle company for a few bucks.
I highly doubt the move to Thailand is just temporary. If they use this opportunity to lower the entry point into Harley-Davidson, that would be great. The big air-cooled bikes are still made here, which should keep the ‘Made in USA’ crowd satisfied. However, I’m skeptical they’ll actually lower the prices.
Given how poorly the Revolution Max motorcycles have been received I could care less where they are made, they were designed here and that is the important part. Look at it this way, Harley has new riders learning on Chinese designed and Chinese manufactured motorcycles so if that wasn't enough to worry people this move should not concern them either. Harley needs to be more price competitive and another legendary brand long ago allowed lower displacement bikes to be made outside their home country, BMW. They now have a complete line up starting at $6k to over $30k. Let us all be honest. Harley's volume has not been improving and in a decade has dropped by a third. last note, given how poorly they Sportsters sell no one is going to care where they come from. They need to be redesigned so that the motor looks good from both sides and have more than two models for sale.
actually, Harley has had a few models made elsewhere before. In the great bike boom of the 70s, they needed a decent trail bike and they needed a smaller displacement street bike, so they offered rebranded imports from different countries. I remember them well. The Harley street bike was Italian and had a single, pushrod horizontal cylinder (I thinkk 350 and 500, but I'm just guessing) and was pretty gutless, but people bought it. The trail bike (I think it was Czech) was fantastic. Your local dealer can tell you the facts. I'm not sure why people are mad now. I have my doubts that mahy people will really sell their Harley and buy an Indian, like they claim. That would be weird.
We purchased a 23 Nightster special made in Thailand as we are in Australia. Harley dropped the price significantly since selling them in Aus. It’s a fantastic machine and perfect for my wife. Great info and great vid as always mate 🇦🇺
Once the product goes overseas it will never come back. The Indian Scouts sell well, and now they came out with a completely updated one. Why doesn’t the new the Sportster line?
Thailand is often referred to as the "Detroit of Asia" due to its strong presence in the automotive and motorcycle manufacturing industries. Major Chinese EV brands and Japanese car manufacturers have established significant operations in the country. Thailand's plants are highly efficient in vehicle assembly and meet the Board of Investment (BOI) requirements. To take advantage of tax benefits, many parts are produced locally. For motorcycles, all major Japanese brands have production plants in Thailand, along with Triumph and Ducati, which manufacture bikes for export to Asian and European markets. Companies choose Thailand for its favorable tax incentives, low labor costs, and an efficient supply chain with locally sourced parts.
Wouldn't be a problem if Thailand was only European sales and wouldn't effect the labor force in America. They also need to bring pricing down on their bikes.
I’m thinking they’re looking past us 50+ riders and thinking about the next generation,newer generation doesn’t care where it’s built as long as as it competitive priced with other make’s😢🇺🇸🇺🇸
You said it, "the move will help make it more competitive" plus greater profits keep those greedy shareholders happy. "Show me the money" is Harleys patriotism.
As a H-D owner (2020 Street Glide) and Indian owner (2025 101 Scout), I side with you Mike. If production is moved overseas, it won’t come back. There may be a savings but at the cost of us buying brands other than AMERICAN, we as dedicated consumers may not buy into the overseas products. However, there are previous models where the wiring comes china, and we’ve seen this wiring on our police Road Kings. Ask your local tech to track down a wiring gremlin.
I think it's a fairly common thing these days, when a company evolves into a corporation, all of a sudden you have this entity called, board of directors, calling the shots, and they are only beholden to the stock holders. Then it becomes all about the bottom line, all else be damned. Also you have the union whose interests are at odds with management, It's like two dogs fighting over the same bone. This is when the decision becomes clear about relocation even though the bean counters know it will come at a high cost.
That's what pisses me off; it won't. Expect to see the same or steady price increases on the vehicles being made in Thailand. Less expensive manufacturing, but it's the tax breaks these companies are getting, which is why I resent companies doing this when they have no plan to reduce their prices.
I had an interest in the Pan America and the RevMax platform. I'm disappointed that these will be manufactured in Thailand. This has stopped me from pursuing a Pan Am.
Harley has gone broke several times, got an old AMF in the barn now, and haven’t been totally made in America since the late 70s. Started with electric components. Harley will half way survive but Indian will thrive. The kids want the sport bikes. Whole thing has gotten over priced. Bought my first pan head for $1200 chopped. My poor grandkids 💔
Corporations that outsource never pass the savings on to the consumer. The American autos have been doing it for a long time and look how expensive cars keep getting.
Thanks for sharing your information .... it's always about making more money 💰 🤑 💸 but enjoy your bikes u have ... thing is whos willing to take a big payout to be the person to go after they could take anyone from the street make them front center just to set them up for blowback
I dont see anyone bitching about some Honda's, Beemers, Ktm's being built in Thailand. However I do agree that the Rev Max powered bikes that are currently being built in York, Pa for US market should remain there not farmed out to the plant in Thailand which was originally for models for the export market. Keep the US Rev Max production for US market right where its at. York, Pa. Made by Americans for Americans
Temporary just like taxes. Only moving to Thailand so the board members can get more money. Prices will not go down. Jochen zeist needs to step down and an American who rides the product needs to be the next ceo.
This does it. I will be getting an Indian Scout Bobber instead of the Nightster. I just recently got my license and had been looking forward to an Harley all my life.
Harley is Genius, they don't want to make those slow selling low profit models. This will allow them to easily suspend production a few years down the road. I'm cool with Thailand. HD not so much.
Some good points in this video, the Thailand plant may have too much capacity as the market for the big twins may face some challenges. Only few people in the ASEAN countries has the means to purchase a big twin and the European customers are bordering on a recession. So moving production makes business sense. HD do need to lower their price of entry to the bike lineup. My main grief with the new Sportster line is the design and feel. Talked to a dealership salesperson in my home country of Denmark and they are not selling in significant numbers. Moving the production of these could also be a good way for HD to discontinue this line and focusing the US manufacturing to a new entry level model.
the market for HD in Thailand is very strong. They overtook the most big bike sales from Yamaha as a 2nd place since end of 2023 brand image in Thailand is perceived as highly positive. Sales, customer service, CSR, HOG organized charity rides, and marketing are well done (most of the time) We had problems waiting for parts to be shipped oversea that took about a month or so in the past. With assembly plant in Rayong since 2019, things had gotten a little faster and prices went down about 20% -I have seen many Harley on the road in the recent years Good news for us living here
A flood starts with a trickle. You pay the price for a HD for what it stand for as well as the motorcycle. What ain’t made here should not be sold here. If your going to buy foreign there are excellent manufacturers to look at Honda, Enfield, Triumph, Indian, etc
This isn’t a new thing. All Australian delivered bikes have been made in Thailand since 2022 / 2023, so I’d say that would be the same for the rest of the asian market as well. So I can’t see how this wouldn’t affect US union production bikes, it’s a massive amount of the total amounts produced. My Australian delivered 2021 Revival has Made in the USA, so I’d say this would have been one of the last US produced bikes for us. A lot of people don’t know this stuff, but being a diehard I’ll only have a USA produced bike. As always, love the content and let me know your thoughts, cheers Brendan.
The Rev Max Based bikes sold in Australia are built in Thailand and are well built . I don't believe Harley about being a Temporary move it makes sense to make all those bikes of a small market at 1 factory not 2 . I frees up space in the York plant to build more of the bikes that are selling well in America . In the past I have owned 2 883 Irons . My current rides are a 2019 Softail Slim , 2023 Nightster Special and 2023 CVO Roadglide with the 121VVT . The Nightster Special hands down is the most fun bike to ride but lacks the sound of a Harley Davidson as most people a use too . From what I see in Facebook Groups the Nightster Special is not selling well in America . Very Limited sold in Australia & New Zealand . European & Asian Sales are much stronger so I understand Harleys reason for building the Rev Max bikes in Thailand .
I do not believe the move is temporary. I also believe it is to increase profits. They should keep the production in the U.S.A. for models sold here. They should get rid of the livewire to increase profits.
Mike, I am glad that you take your time and evaluate the situation before putting information out there. Many just hear the headlines and draw their conclusion from that single sentence without getting to the meat of the subject. Keep up the good work!!
All the "big bike company's" do it ,most lower models made in Thailand/ from Kawasaki, Suzuki, Honda and yes Triumph/other brit companies; though they make there flagship models (most expensive/big money makers)in the said country's of origin, Japan, England etc. Now here is the problem, Harley for years has been all about "Made in America" , now they are becoming just like any other bike companys. Is this terrible? em no? maybe?, yes/ see heres the kicker, sure Harley can do that BUT you cannot charge 2x,3x times the price as other company's because "Made in America", this is a huge problem. -Cheers
@@mikein60fps30 They're pretty canny about how they phrase it, but I don't think any Triumphs are made in the UK any longer. They do some "assembly" there, basically what your dealer does when he uncrates a bike; and they claim to do development there, but I'm pretty skeptical. Most are built in Thailand, some in Brazil.
@@jaym8027 Doing a quick search, as far as Triumph is concerned there is still the old school Hinckley plant in England, the speed triple and tiger 1200 are "assembled" there. From what i always hear that the big companys get parts from many dif countries, so "put together" em dont know thats all a grey area if everyone gets parts from all over the world then yeah, technically no companies have a bike made in any country, yep its a facepalm 🤷♂ but on the flipside if a bunch of parts come from other places then there not made in Thailand either, ha ha what a mess. Best of luck, -Cheers
@@jaym8027 Doing a quick search there is still the old Hinckley plant in England. The speed triple and Tiger 1200 are assembled there. So yeh the thing is companies get parts from a bunch of countries then well, are they really made in any country? on the flipside are a big portion of bikes "made" in Thailand same deal/ not really 🤣 The truth is we are all getting "Frankenstein bikes" ha ha think old school custom chopper style, grab the parts you like and "go with it" 🤷♂ yep its a mess, but thats what we got. Kinda sad to see Harley go this route also , but it is what it is. Best of luck, -Cheers
One other justification of why Thailand is that the plant we have here in Brazil at FTZ of Manaus is just an Assembly line and not an actual production line. It was the first overseas operation that opened back in 98. I visited the plant and I can tell you, all (and I mean all) components are shipped in parts (including the engine) and it’s all put back together here (CKD). Thailand, on the other hand I don’t know it it works as the same as Brazil or if it does produce anything from raw materials….
Hi I'm Thai and I ride Sportster 883n Iron made in Thailand the quality is good not different from those made in the USA. I used to have a Harley Dyna imported from the USA. Not concerned where motorcycle come from everyone know Harley is an american bike.
Considering the revolution engines are not, in my eyes, real harley davidson products, it doesn't much matter to me. If they ever start to produce any Softails or Touring bikes outside the US, then there's a problem. The overseas factories have been in operation for many years already to serve the lower CC third world markets. As far as the bikes that will be built in Thailand, I'm certain the sales numbers have been quite low anyway in the US, so they will be importing small numbers of them back into the US...who really wants a sportster anymore?
I really like H-D, I bought two new from the dealer. A 21 sportster then a 24 Nightster special. Both have build quality problems. With Harley being a worldwide corporation, I wouldn't mind seeing what the build quality is going to be like when built in Thailand.
Bra-freakin-vo! 🎉 I really appreciate you voicing what we without a voice are thinking. Thank you for having the courage to put this video out there. I've noticed the big majority of Harley-Davidson youtubers have not said a word of what is happening, how riders feel. It sounds like pure horse manure that a company would invest millions in setting up a factory elsewhere for only a one year run. We're not buying it. Business 101 dictates "know your customers". All of this woke stuff is not inline with the majority of riders in the USA. I am a Latino male that is not inclined with this stuff and neither is the large majority of my brethren. HD needs to realize that most old riders are not computer savvy, not social media savvy and will protest with their wallet. The old timers have kept HD afloat. Apparel is a first world luxury, maintenance can be done by independent shops, aftermarket parts are available for 99% of what we need to keep our bikes running. The dealerships are getting the short end of the stick, they did not sign up for any of this but will brunt of the boycott. Thanks for your voice.
By the way, Harley has a long history of building bikes overseas. In 1921 Harley started production of bikes in Japan to get around the UK McKenna Tariffs which placed a 33.3% duty against American brands. Due to the Great Depression Harley was in a very difficult financial position and decided to license production of their bikes to Rikuo which produced flat head 74 inch hardtail frame bikes from 1929 to 1958. You can see a RIkuo at the Barber museum.
Having just spent a huge amount on a new Low Rider s, stage 4 and fully decked out in the clubstyle, Thrashin Supply co gear and brake levers, full paint protection, powder coated wheels, Arlen Ness big brakes, se/ohlins suspension the works and being in Australia with the shipping for these parts added, you can imagine how much I just spent and now to read all this stuff and these comments…I went from being over the moon with excitement to pretty damn deflated but I’m not surprised, it’s seems to be just my luck ftw.
We will never pay less for a model than the year before. There may be the occasional monkeying around with SKU’s but that is just marketing. Harley is not accountable to consumers unless they can no longer sell new motorcycles.
I would think that Harley-Davidsons police motorcycles are either number one or number two of the company's profits and I believe them to be made in York Pennsylvania
Bro, here’s the truth…..with the Exception of Singapore, the Asian market gets all the models from Thailand. Singapore is the only country in Asia that ships from Milwaukee. I know my Low Rider ST is made in the US. Even Australia gets theirs from Thailand and this has been happening since 2021
I virtually live in Thailand. I haven’t purchased a Harley Davidson there yet as I’m Australian and the cost of a Harley Davidson in Thailand is nearly double the price of the Australian price. Even though the bikes will be a lot cheaper to produce there is no way they are gonna forward the savings onto the customer. Look at Apple they make iPhones in China for next to nothing and look how much they sell for.
The same thing happened to their Street models. Everyone bitched about that but sales were crap in the USA so they went where the market is. HD is a worldwide Company.
I have done finically well in the last 20 years. I have purchased over 25 new HDs and enjoyed riding them. I currently own 2, 2023 models and will not buy another until the CEO is gone and the board is changed. DEI, moving production, and the CEOs comments on capitalism are my drivers for my decision. I suspect this will not go well for HD. I am a customer, was, and will react with my wallet.
They're already assembling those models there for international sales anyway. I can see moving the production of a few models for US consumption till a factory upgrade and to gurantee they meet demand for other current models/upgrades to current models. At the end of the day, a production facility can only build so many bikes with their workforce. I'd rather see these bikes move production than just die off.
If Harley Davidson moves some production to Thailand do you trust them it is temporary?
No, I don't trust Harley-Davidson under it's current leadership! BOYCOTT! 🤑💣
@@RidingintheOzarks no it’s like all the companies that moved to China
Most of there merch is made outside of the U.S.A so the company slowly sells out their own people. This is the case with 99 percent of big corporations. Many jobs are lost or never handed to our people. Yet its still better then buying a Honda. I will never buy a new Harley. I will enjoy the past bikes and history. If I buy new I will buy an Indian.
It's never temporary. It's a well known stalling tactic to remove their accountability from further reduction of American manufacturing.
They’re waiting to see if Trump gets an office or not like everyone else is before they move overseas
Bottom line, the CEO has to go.
Agree.
The board must go too. If they stay, they’ll probably hire another plant like Zeitz.
CEO does what the board wants, the Board ist filled with tools of the institutional stakeholders. I doubt they care of the riders as long as the dealer is the actual customer.
The last 3 CEOs have been an absolute embarrassment to the Legend. The last idiot could not eve sit on a bike right. Selling all my stock at a loss and buying PUT options against Harley down to $26.00 to make my money back.
@@nickq204It won’t make any difference.
This is just the beginning. Unless there is a change at the top, and the German is removed, that manufacturing isn’t coming back. Eventually more models will go overseas.
This has been their plan all along. A company doesn't just wake up one day and say, "you know what, let's just move production over seas". It was planned at least a couple of years ago. The people running the MOCO don't really care about the company like we do. It's very plain to see by the DEI and woke stuff that it's been bought and paid for by cucks for a while now. The truth sucks, but there it is.
What do you mean just the beginning that’s laughable they’ve had parts made in Asia for years. This is nothing new. It’s just on a larger scale.
Kansas City should be your red flag, it always starts off small. Moving production for only one year makes no sense. I call bullshit on that. Building bikes in Thailand and importing them back to sell in the US market is a flat no for me.
Look at Hyundai they set up a factory in Alabama to make cars; now let’s see Hyosung selling their bikes under the Indian brand and making them in the USA sure they will revive the 841 and market it as The Motorcycle That Survived Pearl Harbor, yet Hyosung copied the V-Rod and soon will sell it as an Indian Eagle.
Just to say they will use some kind of strategic of the President of Argentina wearing a Japanese headband to say that Indian was their for the Falkland Wars to piss off Japanese people to use the comparison of Falkland with the Linancourt Rocks.
This is Hyosung’s strategy!
Harley Davidson died the day Willie G Davidson retired.The new management and designers are out of touch with the riders and it's following and are trying to push out older riders to sell bikes to gen z kids who care about little else except video games.
Exactly! 👏👏
aren't any of his kids in the company?
@@feline-n6b yes but not in really leadership positions.
Bill is the director of the museum and karen works with motorclothes
Yes...his son Bill runs the museum and his daughter is in the clothing department...but I wish they would find a way to step up to the board ...or even one of them become the CEO
They are not pushing out older riders. They had to expand York to assemble all those 50K mobility scooters (Trikes). It makes sense that the bikes that use a different engine, not the M8, in a different facility. The key is the government money they got for doing it.
I worked for company that made everything in house and started moving everything over sea’s and now it’s no more. Say Goodbye.
They broke ground on those factories years ago!! They had a plan.
Open in 2018
Once in Thailand! You never leave!!!
Just takes one night in Bankock.
True!
One night in Bangkok and the tough guys tumble
Can't be too careful with your company
I can feel the Devil walking next to me
I have bought 9 new Harley-Davidsons in my lifetime. I would never be interested in the Nightster at this point in my life no matter what the price was. However, there is a principle at work here. The company is shifting away from its American base. That same American base will not appreciate this. They will lose more customers who buy other styles of bikes. After their woke stance, they may have already lost a major percentage. Nothing like kicking a few more in the teeth. How many will stay loyal to a company who isn't loyal to us, the consumer who buys their products? All I can say is that if they do not shift directions fast, I won't be buying my 10th Harley. My next bike will likely be an Indian.
over the years, many of my non riding friends would ask me what's so great about your Harley, why do you love Harley Davidson? one of the things I would always mention in response is that H-D is so American. It's heritage, the quality, their success, always built right here in the USA with much pride. Along with some of the other news lately, I'm starting to quickly lose my enthusiasm for the brand. Disappointing to say the least.
I'm in Australia and my 2022 CVO road glide shows on the frame as being made in Thailand
@@kmeades43 they consider Australia the Asian market for some reason
@@RidingintheOzarks It is probably easier (cheaper) to ship to us here in Australia from Thailand than the States. Our whole range save for the new X350 and the X500 are out of Thailand, the X series are out of China. We don't sweat it too much. It's not advertised obviously through the dealers that your new H-D comes from Thailand rather than the US. I don't suppose that 'Ride the Thai Legend' on all of the branding in the dealerships would have the same ring to it as 'Ride the American Legend'. When I purchased my new 2024 CVO Road Glide I pointedly asked the dealer where the bike will be made and he responded "I think the CVO's are still made in the US" I'm sure he full well knew they come from Thailand. The compliance label is even positioned so its difficult to read (impossible) the country of manufacture. The build quality is still there but I do notice that things like the paint, etc. has declined over the years compared to earlier H-D's I've owned. However I'm presuming that this is the same irrespective of where the bike is manufactured. I also note little cost savings in the way of no compendium for the owners manual but a plastic bag. Thanks for the video it was good to hear what was said in that press conference as I had not heard it mentioned elsewhere. I find it highly unlikely that H-D will tool up an assembly line for a 12 month run, could be wrong but I probably doubt it.
@@MS325Productions Hi I'm from Europe and my low Rode ST 2024 has a label made in Thailand...
@@petrnosek411 Damn that’s sad!!!
@@kmeades43 damn that’s sad!!!
I'm in the market for a touring bike next yr and indian is looking better all the time. They came out and said bikes sold in America are built here. I know harley touring bikes are still american made but the way management is going I question the direction they're going. I would not by a rev max bike made overseas. Plenty of other better options. Very disappointed in harley. Their board of directors and ceo need to go.
Go with a BMW
@trailblazeratv6306 I have a 1250rt and it's the best riding bike I've been on but my wife isn't the most comfortable so gonna my other bike in, a heritage. I feel even bmw, a foreign company, is more into their customers than harley is.
check the VIN on the Indians.... check your facts - watch "Spites Corner" on this - Indian is owned by Polaris
Buell is made in Grand Rapids and is competitive with anything
My aunt recently handed me down a pair of her old HD leather chaps to wear on my 2003 Dyna, she bought them in 1991 and the label says made in the U.S.A!
Leather is thick with tough panel stitching and the craftsmanship is excellent.
A stark contrast to my HD jacket which I purchased in 2016 that is made in China, that thing feels more like a fashion piece than riding gear for abrasion protection.
If the bikes themselves go overseas, I can't ever see myself buying a new Harley. 😔
The Motor Co's new slogan should be changed to "Harley Davidson - The Death of an American Legend!"
Its a good story Miranda. Where did you hear it? From your dumb mates at the bar!
Jumping on the bandwagon because you are too lazy to research the TRUTH!
Just bleating like all the rest of the gullible sheep!
Once again, love your insight into this.
I would never buy one of those bikes, and being from Canada, the "Made in The USA" or "Assembled in the USA" doesn't mean that much to me. Every model bought in Canada is made elsewhere.
I'll stick with my '08 ultra, and '11 Tri-Glide.
I do agree that the CEO, doesn't seem to be the right guy for the job. That's where an American should hold the CEO title.
those lines will never come back to the USA.
I will not buy a foreign made Harley and I’m thinking about trading my 2024 in on an Indian.
I can in the distance hear the beat of the war drum 🥁🎯
They have lost sight of what made Harley great. It's a slap in the face!
I went from an Iron 883 to a Scout Bobber, and I haven't looked back, happily.
Look at the parts of your motorcycle, electronics made in Mexico, front legs made in Japan to name just a few parts. I wonder if the snowscooter company is completly build in the US.
I have a 23 and 24. I would take a big loss, but it might have to happen. The whole country is going in that direction.
not many people over here [uk] have taken to the water cooled bikes , and livewire sold 2
This is how it all starts
Appreciate ya putting out the details of this. I will never buy a new harley that wasn’t made in the USA. Love your videos.
@@ericmcelroy6970 thank you for watching!
@@RidingintheOzarks Goddamit! All HD V-twins are built in America! 95% of their production.
These Thailand built bikes are only a few small displacement models.
This ignorant jingoistic bullshit gets so old!
But I suppose it gets clicks!
I agree with you. Thanks for keeping us Informed
Next PINK BIKES WITH NEW RAINBOW 🌈 LOGOS ...BUY NO MORE OF ANY MODELS MADE OUTSIDE THE U.S.A IF THAT DOESNT WORK THEN AMF 🖤🎯🗽
I don't care how small percentage of their market is, my issue is loss of good paying jobs with benefits for Americans!!!
Try being 50 years old losing that job that pays your mortgage, auto, medical, food, etc. Sure go back to school and get re-educated. Doesn't work in majority of cases and you end up working at an unskilled labor job and slowly lose everything you worked for!!!!!
HD already has turned most models into a boutique brand due to pricing and if you can't afford it you go used or to other manufacturers
These models were never produced in the US. No US jobs will be lost.
If these small bikes were made in the US, HD would go broke. The US wages are too high.
But these Thailand bikes made with much lower labor costs will make a small bottom-line profit for HD.
Great for HD, as that money can be poured into improving the big V-twins ~ all made in the USA.
You need to look past the end of your nose, James my friend!
bad idea to move , once they do they wont come back to the states. and the money it cost to set up factory in Thialand.
I'm starting to feel that ALL my HD swag & even my bike is going to become more embarrassing than proud as in the past!
All the swag was made in China and Taiwan . What’s the difference now? Most of the parts on all the bikes come from overseas.
Temporarily means Permanently
Also sad thing about it is it hurts their dealers because no sales no jobs !!
The price always goes up, one way or another.
If I wanted another Sporty I just buy a Scout.
The current Sportys are an insult to the real Sporty.
Its all about corporate greed and feeding their need for more and more. It this case leadership is flawed and unrealistic. Their first mistake was getting rid of a real entry line and focusing on more expensive models and selling less units at a higher cost.
I used to buy Pistons and other parts from Thailand for my BSA and Triumphs back in the 80's. They were quality parts
There's nothing wrong with Thailand. Their education system is improving and they have a world class health care system. They are also becoming well known as quality manufacturers,
with a lot of recent investment in both plant and training. Thailand's moving forward while a lot of the world is falling behind.
"Saving on labor costs" = F the US labor force.
They will pocket that savings so, killing the heritage of America's greatest motorcycle company for a few bucks.
Harley should have fitted an M-8 motor to the Sportster line up and retained the styling of the classic Sportsters.
@@motorman857 I truly believe they should have updated the classic design enough to satisfy the epa and not killed the design
@@RidingintheOzarks Exactly!
It's hilarious people think capitalism is "woke." 😂
I highly doubt the move to Thailand is just temporary. If they use this opportunity to lower the entry point into Harley-Davidson, that would be great. The big air-cooled bikes are still made here, which should keep the ‘Made in USA’ crowd satisfied. However, I’m skeptical they’ll actually lower the prices.
Given how poorly the Revolution Max motorcycles have been received I could care less where they are made, they were designed here and that is the important part. Look at it this way, Harley has new riders learning on Chinese designed and Chinese manufactured motorcycles so if that wasn't enough to worry people this move should not concern them either. Harley needs to be more price competitive and another legendary brand long ago allowed lower displacement bikes to be made outside their home country, BMW. They now have a complete line up starting at $6k to over $30k.
Let us all be honest. Harley's volume has not been improving and in a decade has dropped by a third.
last note, given how poorly they Sportsters sell no one is going to care where they come from. They need to be redesigned so that the motor looks good from both sides and have more than two models for sale.
actually, Harley has had a few models made elsewhere before. In the great bike boom of the 70s, they needed a decent trail bike and they needed a smaller displacement street bike, so they offered rebranded imports from different countries. I remember them well. The Harley street bike was Italian and had a single, pushrod horizontal cylinder (I thinkk 350 and 500, but I'm just guessing) and was pretty gutless, but people bought it. The trail bike (I think it was Czech) was fantastic. Your local dealer can tell you the facts. I'm not sure why people are mad now. I have my doubts that mahy people will really sell their Harley and buy an Indian, like they claim. That would be weird.
We purchased a 23 Nightster special made in Thailand as we are in Australia. Harley dropped the price significantly since selling them in Aus. It’s a fantastic machine and perfect for my wife. Great info and great vid as always mate 🇦🇺
Once the product goes overseas it will never come back. The Indian Scouts sell well, and now they came out with a completely updated one. Why doesn’t the new the Sportster line?
WHY is the DOE (department of energy) giving money grants to Harley?
Graft. Corruption. The usual.
It's the woke ESG crap
Thailand is often referred to as the "Detroit of Asia" due to its strong presence in the automotive and motorcycle manufacturing industries. Major Chinese EV brands and Japanese car manufacturers have established significant operations in the country. Thailand's plants are highly efficient in vehicle assembly and meet the Board of Investment (BOI) requirements. To take advantage of tax benefits, many parts are produced locally.
For motorcycles, all major Japanese brands have production plants in Thailand, along with Triumph and Ducati, which manufacture bikes for export to Asian and European markets. Companies choose Thailand for its favorable tax incentives, low labor costs, and an efficient supply chain with locally sourced parts.
Wouldn't be a problem if Thailand was only European sales and wouldn't effect the labor force in America. They also need to bring pricing down on their bikes.
I’m thinking they’re looking past us 50+ riders and thinking about the next generation,newer generation doesn’t care where it’s built as long as as it competitive priced with other make’s😢🇺🇸🇺🇸
You said it, "the move will help make it more competitive" plus greater profits keep those greedy shareholders happy. "Show me the money" is Harleys patriotism.
How many of you have a ford or chevy truck ?? Ones made in Mexico cost the same price..higher profit
Been saving to add a pan america to my stable, this is all I needed to hear to change that. I'll spend my money elsewhere.
As a H-D owner (2020 Street Glide) and Indian owner (2025 101 Scout), I side with you Mike. If production is moved overseas, it won’t come back. There may be a savings but at the cost of us buying brands other than AMERICAN, we as dedicated consumers may not buy into the overseas products. However, there are previous models where the wiring comes china, and we’ve seen this wiring on our police Road Kings. Ask your local tech to track down a wiring gremlin.
Indian is the real AMERICAN.
check the VIN on the Indians.... check your facts - watch "Spites Corner" on this - Indian is owned by Polaris
Polaris is 100% American.@@HD2O13XL12OOC
I think it's a fairly common thing these days, when a company evolves into a corporation, all of a sudden you have this entity called, board of directors, calling the shots, and they are only beholden to the stock holders. Then it becomes all about the bottom line, all else be damned. Also you have the union whose interests are at odds with management, It's like two dogs fighting over the same bone. This is when the decision becomes clear about relocation even though the bean counters know it will come at a high cost.
A company like HD is not going to pas reduced production costs on to the consumers. They are going to put more money in the share holders pockets.
If it's an import it has to reflect that with an import type price
That's what pisses me off; it won't. Expect to see the same or steady price increases on the vehicles being made in Thailand. Less expensive manufacturing, but it's the tax breaks these companies are getting, which is why I resent companies doing this when they have no plan to reduce their prices.
I had an interest in the Pan America and the RevMax platform. I'm disappointed that these will be manufactured in Thailand. This has stopped me from pursuing a Pan Am.
I knew some workers from the Harley plant in Kansas City and not one rode the motorcycle they made and wonder why they have no job now.
Harley has gone broke several times, got an old AMF in the barn now, and haven’t been totally made in America since the late 70s. Started with electric components. Harley will half way survive but Indian will thrive. The kids want the sport bikes. Whole thing has gotten over priced. Bought my first pan head for $1200 chopped. My poor grandkids 💔
Corporations that outsource never pass the savings on to the consumer. The American autos have been doing it for a long time and look how expensive cars keep getting.
Thanks for sharing your information .... it's always about making more money 💰 🤑 💸 but enjoy your bikes u have ... thing is whos willing to take a big payout to be the person to go after they could take anyone from the street make them front center just to set them up for blowback
This is a bad move for the MOCO
I dont see anyone bitching about some Honda's, Beemers, Ktm's being built in Thailand.
However I do agree that the Rev Max powered bikes that are currently being built in York, Pa for US market should remain there not farmed out to the plant in Thailand which was originally for models for the export market.
Keep the US Rev Max production for US market right where its at.
York, Pa.
Made by Americans for Americans
Temporary just like taxes.
Only moving to Thailand so the board members can get more money. Prices will not go down.
Jochen zeist needs to step down and an American who rides the product needs to be the next ceo.
This does it. I will be getting an Indian Scout Bobber instead of the Nightster. I just recently got my license and had been looking forward to an Harley all my life.
Harley is Genius, they don't want to make those slow selling low profit models.
This will allow them to easily suspend production a few years down the road.
I'm cool with Thailand. HD not so much.
My spoke wheels in 2007 were made in Italy on my springer
Some good points in this video, the Thailand plant may have too much capacity as the market for the big twins may face some challenges.
Only few people in the ASEAN countries has the means to purchase a big twin and the European customers are bordering on a recession. So moving production makes business sense. HD do need to lower their price of entry to the bike lineup. My main grief with the new Sportster line is the design and feel. Talked to a dealership salesperson in my home country of Denmark and they are not selling in significant numbers. Moving the production of these could also be a good way for HD to discontinue this line and focusing the US manufacturing to a new entry level model.
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Rationality is not a strong point of all these brainwashed commentors, Robert!
the market for HD in Thailand is very strong. They overtook the most big bike sales from Yamaha as a 2nd place since end of 2023
brand image in Thailand is perceived as highly positive. Sales, customer service, CSR, HOG organized charity rides, and marketing are well done (most of the time)
We had problems waiting for parts to be shipped oversea that took about a month or so in the past. With assembly plant in Rayong since 2019, things had gotten a little faster and prices went down about 20% -I have seen many Harley on the road in the recent years
Good news for us living here
A flood starts with a trickle. You pay the price for a HD for what it stand for as well as the motorcycle. What ain’t made here should not be sold here. If your going to buy foreign there are excellent manufacturers to look at Honda, Enfield, Triumph, Indian, etc
Those models won't be back and their supposedly killing the limited models. They should have sent the ceo to Thailand along with the livewire
This isn’t a new thing. All Australian delivered bikes have been made in Thailand since 2022 / 2023, so I’d say that would be the same for the rest of the asian market as well. So I can’t see how this wouldn’t affect US union production bikes, it’s a massive amount of the total amounts produced. My Australian delivered 2021 Revival has Made in the USA, so I’d say this would have been one of the last US produced bikes for us. A lot of people don’t know this stuff, but being a diehard I’ll only have a USA produced bike. As always, love the content and let me know your thoughts, cheers Brendan.
The Rev Max Based bikes sold in Australia are built in Thailand and are well built . I don't believe Harley about being a Temporary move it makes sense to make all those bikes of a small market at 1 factory not 2 . I frees up space in the York plant to build more of the bikes that are selling well in America . In the past I have owned 2 883 Irons . My current rides are a 2019 Softail Slim , 2023 Nightster Special and 2023 CVO Roadglide with the 121VVT . The Nightster Special hands down is the most fun bike to ride but lacks the sound of a Harley Davidson as most people a use too . From what I see in Facebook Groups the Nightster Special is not selling well in America . Very Limited sold in Australia & New Zealand . European & Asian Sales are much stronger so I understand Harleys reason for building the Rev Max bikes in Thailand .
This is how it begins
I do not believe the move is temporary. I also believe it is to increase profits. They should keep the production in the U.S.A. for models sold here. They should get rid of the livewire to increase profits.
Mike, I am glad that you take your time and evaluate the situation before putting information out there. Many just hear the headlines and draw their conclusion from that single sentence without getting to the meat of the subject. Keep up the good work!!
CEO and much of the board needs to change before boycott will end.
No one will buy a bike made in Thailand!
HD needs to rethink this!!
The number of Triumph riders who think that their bikes are made in England is comical.
All the "big bike company's" do it ,most lower models made in Thailand/ from Kawasaki, Suzuki, Honda and yes Triumph/other brit companies; though they make there flagship models (most expensive/big money makers)in the said country's of origin, Japan, England etc. Now here is the problem, Harley for years has been all about "Made in America" , now they are becoming just like any other bike companys. Is this terrible? em no? maybe?, yes/ see heres the kicker, sure Harley can do that BUT you cannot charge 2x,3x times the price as other company's because "Made in America", this is a huge problem. -Cheers
@@mikein60fps30 They're pretty canny about how they phrase it, but I don't think any Triumphs are made in the UK any longer. They do some "assembly" there, basically what your dealer does when he uncrates a bike; and they claim to do development there, but I'm pretty skeptical.
Most are built in Thailand, some in Brazil.
@@jaym8027 Doing a quick search, as far as Triumph is concerned there is still the old school Hinckley plant in England, the speed triple and tiger 1200 are "assembled" there. From what i always hear that the big companys get parts from many dif countries, so "put together" em dont know thats all a grey area if everyone gets parts from all over the world then yeah, technically no companies have a bike made in any country, yep its a facepalm 🤷♂ but on the flipside if a bunch of parts come from other places then there not made in Thailand either, ha ha what a mess. Best of luck, -Cheers
@@jaym8027 Doing a quick search there is still the old Hinckley plant in England. The speed triple and Tiger 1200 are assembled there. So yeh the thing is companies get parts from a bunch of countries then well, are they really made in any country? on the flipside are a big portion of bikes "made" in Thailand same deal/ not really 🤣 The truth is we are all getting "Frankenstein bikes" ha ha think old school custom chopper style, grab the parts you like and "go with it" 🤷♂ yep its a mess, but thats what we got. Kinda sad to see Harley go this route also , but it is what it is. Best of luck, -Cheers
One other justification of why Thailand is that the plant we have here in Brazil at FTZ of Manaus is just an Assembly line and not an actual production line.
It was the first overseas operation that opened back in 98.
I visited the plant and I can tell you, all (and I mean all) components are shipped in parts (including the engine) and it’s all put back together here (CKD).
Thailand, on the other hand I don’t know it it works as the same as Brazil or if it does produce anything from raw materials….
Hi I'm Thai and I ride Sportster 883n Iron made in Thailand the quality is good not different from those made in the USA. I used to have a Harley Dyna imported from the USA. Not concerned where motorcycle come from everyone know Harley is an american bike.
Considering the revolution engines are not, in my eyes, real harley davidson products, it doesn't much matter to me. If they ever start to produce any Softails or Touring bikes outside the US, then there's a problem. The overseas factories have been in operation for many years already to serve the lower CC third world markets. As far as the bikes that will be built in Thailand, I'm certain the sales numbers have been quite low anyway in the US, so they will be importing small numbers of them back into the US...who really wants a sportster anymore?
I really like H-D, I bought two new from the dealer. A 21 sportster then a 24 Nightster special. Both have build quality problems. With Harley being a worldwide corporation, I wouldn't mind seeing what the build quality is going to be like when built in Thailand.
Once they killed my beloved Dyna I knew the writing was on the wall .
Bra-freakin-vo! 🎉
I really appreciate you voicing what we without a voice are thinking.
Thank you for having the courage to put this video out there. I've noticed the big majority of Harley-Davidson youtubers have not said a word of what is happening, how riders feel.
It sounds like pure horse manure that a company would invest millions in setting up a factory elsewhere for only a one year run. We're not buying it.
Business 101 dictates "know your customers". All of this woke stuff is not inline with the majority of riders in the USA.
I am a Latino male that is not inclined with this stuff and neither is the large majority of my brethren. HD needs to realize that most old riders are not computer savvy, not social media savvy and will protest with their wallet. The old timers have kept HD afloat. Apparel is a first world luxury, maintenance can be done by independent shops, aftermarket parts are available for 99% of what we need to keep our bikes running.
The dealerships are getting the short end of the stick, they did not sign up for any of this but will brunt of the boycott.
Thanks for your voice.
Thanks by way Thailand plant opened in 2018…
I said goodbye to Harley 10 years ago.....no sleep lost.
But not HD youtube, lol
@@user-ob2ti5oq9w still enjoy hearing happy the Harley owners cry.....🤣
@@davidvanbrunt4233 that's not nice
By the way, Harley has a long history of building bikes overseas. In 1921 Harley started production of bikes in Japan to get around the UK McKenna Tariffs which placed a 33.3% duty against American brands. Due to the Great Depression Harley was in a very difficult financial position and decided to license production of their bikes to Rikuo which produced flat head 74 inch hardtail frame bikes from 1929 to 1958. You can see a RIkuo at the Barber museum.
Well researched and presented!
I love the brand but they’re pushing me closer and closer to that Indian Pursuit
Having just spent a huge amount on a new Low Rider s, stage 4 and fully decked out in the clubstyle, Thrashin Supply co gear and brake levers, full paint protection, powder coated wheels, Arlen Ness big brakes, se/ohlins suspension the works and being in Australia with the shipping for these parts added, you can imagine how much I just spent and now to read all this stuff and these comments…I went from being over the moon with excitement to pretty damn deflated but I’m not surprised, it’s seems to be just my luck ftw.
R.I.P. Harley-Davidson
We will never pay less for a model than the year before. There may be the occasional monkeying around with SKU’s but that is just marketing. Harley is not accountable to consumers unless they can no longer sell new motorcycles.
2024 SG &RG are better equipped and lower MSRP than 2023 models
@@RidingintheOzarks They dropped the people for whom a SG or RG standard was the way into a touring bike.
Until and unless that CEO and many of the board of directors are shown the door, I don’t give a rats ass what Harley does!
Don’t sell out America for a slightly cheaper price. I’m waiting on my 2024 Indian Pursuit, trading my 2021 RG Limited. Done with HD.
You'll love it! The Pursuit is such a fantastic riding machine
My Harley Davidson leatherjacket says: Harley Davidson an American Legend, made in China........
... sad isnt it ! ?
Good point, ‘will savings be passed on to customers’ I say No!, they want to keep the savings.
I would think that Harley-Davidsons police motorcycles are either number one or number two of the company's profits and I believe them to be made in York Pennsylvania
Those are not profitable, they give the public sector discounts
You mentioned that this might drive people to Indian scout. But it might also drive buyers to Buell. Their bikes are made in Michigan 👍🏻
Bro, here’s the truth…..with the Exception of Singapore, the Asian market gets all the models from Thailand. Singapore is the only country in Asia that ships from Milwaukee. I know my Low Rider ST is made in the US. Even Australia gets theirs from Thailand and this has been happening since 2021
I virtually live in Thailand. I haven’t purchased a Harley Davidson there yet as I’m Australian and the cost of a Harley Davidson in Thailand is nearly double the price of the Australian price. Even though the bikes will be a lot cheaper to produce there is no way they are gonna forward the savings onto the customer. Look at Apple they make iPhones in China for next to nothing and look how much they sell for.
I'm Australian and I think our harleys are put togeather in Thailand already my lowrider st has a made in Thailand sticker.
The same thing happened to their Street models. Everyone bitched about that but sales were crap in the USA so they went where the market is. HD is a worldwide Company.
Profit is the only goal.
Profit is the only goal of ALL companies. Otherwise, you go broke like Indian in 1953!
All australian Harleys are already made in Thailand, based on the VIN number nomenclature
Harley is in business to satisfy their shareholders. Thats the reality.
I have done finically well in the last 20 years. I have purchased over 25 new HDs and enjoyed riding them. I currently own 2, 2023 models and will not buy another until the CEO is gone and the board is changed. DEI, moving production, and the CEOs comments on capitalism are my drivers for my decision. I suspect this will not go well for HD. I am a customer, was, and will react with my wallet.
They're already assembling those models there for international sales anyway. I can see moving the production of a few models for US consumption till a factory upgrade and to gurantee they meet demand for other current models/upgrades to current models. At the end of the day, a production facility can only build so many bikes with their workforce. I'd rather see these bikes move production than just die off.
Thailand can build Harley-Davidson motorcycles along with the other Chinese motorcycles,.