Simply put - Meslier has to go. It's not just his liability, it's the confidence it has on his defensive unit. They then make mistakes based on them not trusting him. Confidence is needed at the back to assure us of going up.
This is football in the 21st Century boyo, teams defend as a team and it normally starts with the front players pressing something we are missing lately.
This is the way I see it, been supporting Leeds for nearly 60 years. Illan comes across as a nice lad. But my concern is that he has not improved, are the coaches to blame ?, has the keeper got low confidence or just not up to this task ? I think its now time for a change of keeper. Bryn Law is a great interviewer. Sorry Illan, you have played 200 games and thank you for that. But it time to go lad.
I do feel Any keeper gets rusty when the 10 players in-front of him dominate games and leave him nothing to do. It's a shame, but it'll be a nice opportunity for him to go to a team that is more used to coping out of possession.
Fair play to you guys on this one, as you and Bryn alude to there's obviously a section of the fanbase that would want Bryn to throw Meslier under the bus at the first opportunity and try to get Farke to do the same. But we've got some interesting insight here into the life of a journo trying to tow the line of asking those difficult questions in a professional manner whilst also trying maintain a relationship that is going to make their own life easier, especially for someone in Bryn's somewhat unique circumstances.
If Meslier was Welsh, Darlow would still be in goal for Wales. What I’ve seen from the Wales games Darlow has been decent. He’s got to be given a chance now until we find a new keeper that is premiership standard going forward.
That wasn't difficult. Meslier was literally throwing in goals at that point in the season. He'd conceded about 12 shots on target in succession a few games prior. Remember Bielsa had no alternatives. He had only Klaesson as backup GK, an unproven kid who looked worse than Meslier in the U23s. I think Bielsa would have dropped him as well if he'd had the choice. Playing him ahead of Casilla was probably a mistake. Casilla was nowhere near as bad as fans seemed to think. He was solid compared to Meslier, and had experience.
Good keeper, bad keeper? I'm not a keeper. But I do understand game management. How does a relegation team, 3-1 down with 10 minutes to go, even get near our keeper?
@@HenSid-m7tFarke thinks putting on every attacker is the answer. He's as much to blame as anyone. He doesn't go on form either but on favouritism. He's a bit of a coward with the academy players too they don't get a look in and would be better leaving the club.
Games between neighbouring clubs are not normal, form and league standing often goes out the window, just saw that at Anfield, defenses tend to go wandering
That’s a great point - even at 3-1 they were running through us, we gave away so many needless free kicks too, when their best option was to launch it into our box, which 2nd and 3rd goals came from ( notwithstanding monumental keeper fuck ups).
Because you defend as a team I was at the game and the front line especially Piroe were blowing before that 2nd Hull goal. So if I saw it as a useless fan why didn’t our brilliant manager and his exceptional assistants.
The team is that good they keep the clean sheets without Meslier having to do much. But on the occasions he is called upon, which isn't often, he is prone to bad decisions and outright fuck ups. His positioning for their first goal was questionable, but you can forgive him that once you go 3-1 up. But then he goes and does it again. I understand why Farke likes him. But in all honesty, I wish he had gone in summer. It's a bad time to bring someone in who understands how we play.
It's not rocket science. You either play out from the back or not, or mix it up depending on the opposition. Meslier slows our game, doesn't command his area and respect from defenders is shot to pieces.
@@Ghengiskhansmum I think hes exceptional at playing out from the back. Theres a whole lot more to it than "Just playing out from the back" He knows the movement of the defenders and where each individual one is going to move to. Thats why Farke Plays him. the problem is, he is prone to monumental level mistakes, he cant take crosses, and often gets himself in stupid positions. I think he has to go, but I also understand Farkes dilemma.
I've posted before that I could listen to Bryn all day long. However, these conversations and insights really do add value in processing a result. Be it a win, loss or draw. Great content, big thank you to all involved.
Our defence is arguably the best in the div…so we don’t need a ‘top’ keeper for this league just a competent one…sounds like Darlow has been that for Wales and he has an audition against Harrogate and everyone in elland road needs it to go well and it’s his spot until May…
A team is only as strong as its weakest link, Meslier will be feeling particularly vulnerable at the moment, so its important to get behind him now, and give him some confidence. I say that even though long term change might be required.
It's such a shame, looked so good in his early seasons with us. But fair's fair, had more than enough time to get back up to speed, time to move on for the benefit of both parties. Watch him join a new team and be unbelievable.
Illan was the player who most suffered from Marsch's abysmal coaching and management. He went from a goalie capable of winning Prem player of the day in Nov 21 to a player who looked shell shocked from keeping behind our poor defence by April '23. He needed rehabilitation work last season but, while he has been OK in my view for most of this season, the need for some Bielsa team level coaching was plainly there. Sadly it may now be too late; although I for one hope not.
It's a real concern the impact Mesliers mistakes are having on the rest of our players. The incredulous looks on players faces after he made the mistake which caused the 2nd goal says it all.
We let go Summerville and Rutter always tough to replace them. Loads of goals from Summerville and a bunch of assists from Rutter. Still though we have more clean sheets plus bigger goal difference. Leeds need to stop being defensive allowing pressure to see games out we need to stay on the ball slow games down, taking ball to corner not allowing balls in our box. Keepers make mistakes and when they do it’s costly and noticed more than anything, that lad has saved Leeds over the 200 games played can’t praise his heights to then bully his mistakes.
Why does the gk coach have Meslier catching crosses in the warm up when he doesnt do it during the game. We conceed at corners , his strategy seems to be just stop on his line and let defenders deal with it. He didnt want to put ball over the bar and concede a corner.
Well said Bryn. Great interview. People forget there is a young man taking the flak for his individual error. It gets far too personal and all that social noise will be overwhelming for him. As a supporter i set myself i the rule of not posting anything i wouldn't say to his face.
How great it is you can crusifie a individual, who is trying their best, from afar, remember he who never makes mistakes has made nothing!! Get a grip and support each other in the team, come on Leeds fans😊
@@shirleycrooks7628 we did the same with Coops and Bill, and this criticism will destroy his remaining confidence. Until the day he leaves he is one of us and gets my support
Get where Bryn is coming from, but bloody hell, if pussyfooting around it is the approach, how will anything change for the better? Meslier simply isn’t good enough, hasn’t ever been the complete package, which you could forgive a little if he didn’t appear to have gone backwards in doing basic GK bread and butter stuff. It suggests that whatever they’re doing in coaching sessions is clearly not working for him. Appreciate Farke has to protect his player to the press, but let’s hope the actual truth is being shared with him behind the scenes.
Good guest Bryn Law brilliant listening to Meslier has to be dropped give Karl Darlow a chance put him in for Harrogate Town in the cup 🏆 and give him a chance against Sheff wed . Daniel Farkes man management has to be proven more now than any time he's been Leeds United manager Mesliers confidence must be shot to pieces and looking at the players when that ball was going over the bar and Meslier palmed it down for Hull to score say's it all they went mental especially Joe Rodon says it all 😳. We managed to get a point I have calmed down let's move on fingers 🤞 crossed the 49ers 🏈 are working behind the scenes for bodies to come in I think this time the 49ers 🏈 have to do something because if they don't do anything it could bite us in the backside 😫. The legendary Don Revie once said about Gary Sprake I kept him in the net 🥅 too long due to having faith in Gary Sprake even though he made mistakes I remained too loyal I should've changed the keeper situation sooner and we might of won more matches so staying loyal could cost you as Don Revie was more or less was saying at the time. Thanks 🙏 gentlemen always love it when Bryn is your guest total respect Bryn 🫶🤝🙏love you brother Bryn and Tony Dorigo fantastic commentary team legendary 🤩 marching on together we all love Leeds 🦚🇮🇨🤍💛💙
Why is Meslier's progress going backwards?? I'm confused Ted...he seemed pretty damned good the first season back in the Prem...what the F*CK is going on??
Problem is his numbers aren't quite as bad as his performances have been. Mistakes like the second hull goal, don't show up in post shot xG number, and dunno if there is an unforced error type stat for goalkeepers.
You are phoning in the "German office" stuff a bit now. I'd be a bit careful or Neville and Carragher will be kicking in your front door in the middle of the night.
I couldn’t bring myself to watch the highlights so can only rely on my feelings from what I saw on the day, Two major mistakes from Meslier, horrendous goals to concede but my overall feeling was I hope the club put a collective arm around him. He is a young lad, miles from home working in a high pressure job, true he gets paid well, but remember he is only human, we all make mistakes, but most of us make them without the glare and publicity that comes with playing for the biggest club in the Championship. The cup game has come at a good time, doubtful he would have played against Harrogate anyway, so give Darlow his chance, remove Meslier away from the frontline to work on his form.
Are we going to say this after each shite game he has, or are we going to på rutless like a pro football club and get rid? Fecking get rid, this is a football club. Feck that arm around the shoulder. GET RID.
I share your hope. But will the players put their arm round him ? I was disappointed to learn that 3 players publicly expressed dismay - I hope Farke says something to them.
Sorry mate completely disagree, we haven't got time for him to work into form that he's never getting back. He's a liability and has cost us so many points already this season. Do you actually want promotion or do you want our club to fail again?
Mesilier has all the attributes to be a top top goalkeeper, unfortunately he just doesn’t deliver. So if you are poor at your job you get replaced or sacked. Either way he should not start the next game. Our club demands better of a a goalkeeper
It’s not just the mistakes & it’s not a 1 off. His individual stats are shocking & our competitors have the best keepers in the league not making mistakes & costing them points. You can argue he played a part in all 3 goals. Even burnley & sheff utd fans are saying that’s the difference that will cost us says it all
Agree. He doesn’t play football, he only trains. Will take weeks to get match sharp and will be prone to errors in those weeks. A new number one is the only solution
We are top of the league with Meslier, but he has made enough mistakes to be classified as a weak link in what is a very strong squad. Stick or twist ? I'd twist at this point, I'd give Darlow a run, and I'd be looking around during the window. My fear is that if we stick with Meslier the mistakes will become more frequent as we near the end of the season and the pressure builds. Twist.
I don't fully get why we are all pussy footing around the situation as if meslier is on the verge of a nervous breakdown. These people are millionaires and their wages are paid for by the fans and supporters of the club. It's quite transactional. all the companies who sell the football broadcasts expect our money every month, the club expects it's income, and as a result the fans expect the manager to be competent and hold players to account. We also expect the manager and the management at the club to show ambition. The club was about 150 million euros up in the last window and they took 60 million off redbull, we have a small suad that is not performing so it's only fair to a) challenge the manager on this and b) expect that the club shows a bit of ambition in terms of the squad.
I still maintain the fingers need to be pointed at the goalkeeper coaching staff & not just Meslier, either they are not doing their jobs right or Meslier isn't listening to them. But be careful of what you wish for asking for him to be dropped.
First 20 mins was largely Bryn saying nothing. The big questions remain the lack of a reliable, quality GK and genuine no 9, together with Farke's lack of tactical nous and substitutions.
Nobody is saying Meslier isn’t a nice guy, but it’s at a point even for his own sake he needs dropping/selling.. it’s not doing anyone any good now him playing
Cant think off the top of my head of any prem quality keeper who Leeds could sign or would be willing to join a championship squad, come the summer and promotion, might be able to get Aaron Ramsdale from Southampton
Let’s get up first then replace Meslier with Kelleher from Liverpool he won’t even be their no2 next year with Mamardashvili coming in next season!! Get him!!!!
A striker is a more urgent need than a new goalkeeper. The additional goals will make it easier to absorb goalkeeper shortcomings. A better keeper will not bring us more goals.
How many stupid goals, in your view, have we shipped, against whom, which were unforced goalkeeping errors ? And has Meslier made any saves which ordinarily you would not blame him had he not made them ?
@ he’s not “bad” but he could better . I’m not a farke out guy but he’s got all the tools to win promotion with this club . He failed last season . I’m worried we fail again
@ I agree with most of that . I wouldn’t call Gruev and ampadu journeymen . Listen he’s doing a lot of good things . But Meslier has to go . Now . And aren’t you worried with our away form ? The teams around us have no trouble in going to Blackburn or Watford or millwall and winning . I’m just saying i have concerns
One of the problems, as i see it. For all his mistakes Meslier is still seen as a high value player and is often linked to other clubs (whether or not that's just his agent trying to justify his 10% is another thing). The club are not going to want to just throw him out the door without a reasonable return.
Farke is stubborn and hates being proven wrong. Remember that 20 min spiel in a presser about Rutter/Piroe in the 9/10 position and he stuck to his guns for a while only for Georgi to eventually play 10. If the 49ers don't put pressure on him to drop Mes then we're fooked....!!
Meslier has been a disaster for 4-5 years. His stats have always been absolutely shocking. For some bizarre reason the fans love him though. He got Bielsa sacked, he got us relegated and he stopped us from getting promotion last year. That's how bad he is. GK and CF are the two most important positions on the pitch. And the fact we're still relying on Meslier and Bamford (to some extent) is shameful. GKs and CFs win and lose you games, especially when the pressure is on.
Best believe if the keeper situation isn’t addressed in January & Mes is still picked as No1 then when he makes his next mistake which inevitably he will I will 💯 be venting my anger at Farke as I think many others will. It’s so clear what’s wrong just do the simple thing & fix it 🤷🏻♂️ Great show as always 👍🏻
Let’s have it right, He made 1 mistake that game, not 2 The 1st could have happened to anyone and the 2nd wasn’t as easy as everyone is making out, if he puts it over the bar and hull score everyone abuses him for not catching it, If he catches it he’s made a save and no one’s mentioning his name at all, As it stands it was an awkward one which he fumbled but here’s the thing, 4 defenders,,, 4 ! Failed to react and 1 striker fled react and stuck his chance away, I’ve not heard a single Leeds fan mention the fact the full defensive line failed to react, instead choosing to put it all on the keeper, Every single person at that club has made him a scape goat for the draw, the lot of you should be ashamed, Best support in England ? Don’t make me laugh !
FARKE to blame not promoting competition in his squads since he’s been here. He overlooks hard work and sacrifice something a real manager uses as the bedrock to improving players performances. It seems this cub is full of Yes men and weak cowards who don’t have any personality.
Farke isn’t very good . He says the same things every game . He does the same subs almost every game at the same time and he is blind to meslier inadequacy
Meslier has sadly gone downhill and has become a liability. It would be good if we could get a new John Lukic, Nigel Martyn, Paul Robinson type of keeper.
Farke solutions kick kitchen sink on and hope it works he not getting us promoted if he don't drop keeper and get subs right and players right and dropping 6 points because keeper crap who going want come sit on bench and get 10 mins charity mins so that say it all about farke in general
Still think the dynamic of these eps with people who work with Leeds is slightly odd. The pod is usually great because there are no shackles and you’re free to say whatever. But Bryn is extremely shackled. He has to be opinion-less on a show meant to spread your guys’ opinion. Still watched it all though haha!
Bryn was the wrong person to have on after this game … we can’t keep the kid gloves on … it was two points given to the opposition that were ours. Well not go up if we pussyfoot around like a kids sports day!
The in house guys can never ask the questions we all want answered we understand that. Phil the snake was the same and never held Radz or Orta to account even when it went to shit.
Listening Bryn and Tony Dorigo, is tough as they are not critical and are not able to push as they are part of the club. Which is disappointing. You want honesty and critical analysis which we do not get
Get rid ..if not we dnt go up simples weakest link in the team I cringe every time ball goes near him at the defence knows that and they showed that wen he let that goal in no1 likes farke is a mug if he sticks with him
Problems with lutv the wont ask bad question because the work for leeds United and the not allowed because not allowed bad mouth leeds United the not impartial leeds United own lu tv so it's the not going dig out farke or keeper so it's a pointless interview against manager because he won't take responsibility for his actions or lack of tactics or ability to call players out
Always edifying when trying to contribute to a channel to be told one’s comments won’t be read. Yep, keep your opinions to yourself and pay up if you want to contribute! 😂
Christ, investment, common sense and guaranteeing the outcome - all fine words until you remember that we have Kinnear. He'll be apologising with some fine words for doing nothing in his next years interview, mark it.
Reporter to Strachan “can I have a quick word?” Strachan “velocity” 😂😂
Simply put - Meslier has to go. It's not just his liability, it's the confidence it has on his defensive unit. They then make mistakes based on them not trusting him. Confidence is needed at the back to assure us of going up.
Absolutely
This is football in the 21st Century boyo, teams defend as a team and it normally starts with the front players pressing something we are missing lately.
@@Seafishing-f1tso you’re saying Messlier mistake wasn’t his fault? It was because the forwards weren’t pressing? How’s that then?
@@Seafishing-f1tif you’re trying to defend meslier after the hull game
You’re either stupid or didn’t watch it..
@@Seafishing-f1the’s definitely not your boyo lad
This is the way I see it, been supporting Leeds for nearly 60 years. Illan comes across as a nice lad. But my concern is that he has not improved, are the coaches to blame ?, has the keeper got low confidence or just not up to this task ? I think its now time for a change of keeper. Bryn Law is a great interviewer. Sorry Illan, you have played 200 games and thank you for that. But it time to go lad.
I do feel Any keeper gets rusty when the 10 players in-front of him dominate games and leave him nothing to do. It's a shame, but it'll be a nice opportunity for him to go to a team that is more used to coping out of possession.
Fair play to you guys on this one, as you and Bryn alude to there's obviously a section of the fanbase that would want Bryn to throw Meslier under the bus at the first opportunity and try to get Farke to do the same. But we've got some interesting insight here into the life of a journo trying to tow the line of asking those difficult questions in a professional manner whilst also trying maintain a relationship that is going to make their own life easier, especially for someone in Bryn's somewhat unique circumstances.
If Meslier was Welsh, Darlow would still be in goal for Wales. What I’ve seen from the Wales games Darlow has been decent. He’s got to be given a chance now until we find a new keeper that is premiership standard going forward.
Also knows his defence two taffs
I'm still pissed about the weekend.
Don’t drink so much
I think if Struijk had have played we would have got the win.
Big Sam knew something was up a couple of seasons ago.
That wasn't difficult. Meslier was literally throwing in goals at that point in the season. He'd conceded about 12 shots on target in succession a few games prior.
Remember Bielsa had no alternatives. He had only Klaesson as backup GK, an unproven kid who looked worse than Meslier in the U23s. I think Bielsa would have dropped him as well if he'd had the choice.
Playing him ahead of Casilla was probably a mistake. Casilla was nowhere near as bad as fans seemed to think. He was solid compared to Meslier, and had experience.
Good keeper, bad keeper? I'm not a keeper. But I do understand game management. How does a relegation team, 3-1 down with 10 minutes to go, even get near our keeper?
True. No attempt to get men behind the ball and do what many teams do to us alot of the time, which is to shut down the game.
@@HenSid-m7tFarke thinks putting on every attacker is the answer. He's as much to blame as anyone. He doesn't go on form either but on favouritism. He's a bit of a coward with the academy players too they don't get a look in and would be better leaving the club.
Games between neighbouring clubs are not normal, form and league standing often goes out the window, just saw that at Anfield, defenses tend to go wandering
That’s a great point - even at 3-1 they were running through us, we gave away so many needless free kicks too, when their best option was to launch it into our box, which 2nd and 3rd goals came from ( notwithstanding monumental keeper fuck ups).
Because you defend as a team I was at the game and the front line especially Piroe were blowing before that 2nd Hull goal. So if I saw it as a useless fan why didn’t our brilliant manager and his exceptional assistants.
Bryn looking cool as (giving off Rob Gretton vibes with that look) in his new specs. If you're a New Order fan you'll get the reference.
Really interesting insight from Bryn, but it was a lot of words to say that during interviews we tread on eggshells 😂
The team is that good they keep the clean sheets without Meslier having to do much. But on the occasions he is called upon, which isn't often, he is prone to bad decisions and outright fuck ups. His positioning for their first goal was questionable, but you can forgive him that once you go 3-1 up. But then he goes and does it again. I understand why Farke likes him. But in all honesty, I wish he had gone in summer. It's a bad time to bring someone in who understands how we play.
Totally agree with you pal
It's not rocket science. You either play out from the back or not, or mix it up depending on the opposition. Meslier slows our game, doesn't command his area and respect from defenders is shot to pieces.
@@Ghengiskhansmum I think hes exceptional at playing out from the back. Theres a whole lot more to it than "Just playing out from the back" He knows the movement of the defenders and where each individual one is going to move to.
Thats why Farke Plays him.
the problem is, he is prone to monumental level mistakes, he cant take crosses, and often gets himself in stupid positions.
I think he has to go, but I also understand Farkes dilemma.
I don’t think he’s exceptional at anything
@@thewhitbyphotographer You forgot about his shite distribution...😂🤣
I've posted before that I could listen to Bryn all day long. However, these conversations and insights really do add value in processing a result. Be it a win, loss or draw. Great content, big thank you to all involved.
Our defence is arguably the best in the div…so we don’t need a ‘top’ keeper for this league just a competent one…sounds like Darlow has been that for Wales and he has an audition against Harrogate and everyone in elland road needs it to go well and it’s his spot until May…
A team is only as strong as its weakest link, Meslier will be feeling particularly vulnerable at the moment, so its important to get behind him now, and give him some confidence. I say that even though long term change might be required.
He has had enough chances . He knows farke loves him and won't drop him . Darlow isn't competition because messlia is another one of farkes babies!!
Great bloke, Bryn! ❤
When Seamus Coleman scored, that should've been the last straw
I often watch from Montreal.
Superb. Thanks and MOT.
Brilliant shit men. Bryn is authentic and forthright. Fascinating stuff.
Apart from Mes the other question was about the stupid subs.
Bryn very politically explaining why he cannot take the piss out of Farke.
Discussion on the big issue aside - this is brilliant and unique insight as ever from Bryn Law 👏🏼
Bryn is smart and emotionally intelligent as well.
GK key individual stats 2024-25:
Illan Meslier - Leeds Utd
Matches Played (MP): 25
Goals Against (GA): 19
Saves: 35
Save Percentage : 69.2%
James Trafford - Burnley
MP: 25
GA: 9
Saves: 51
Save percentage: 85%
Michael Cooper - Sheffield Utd
MP: 24
GA: 15
Saves: 56
Save percentage: 80.6%
Anthony Patterson - Sunderland
MP: 22
GA: 20
Saves: 49
Save percentage: 73.1%
Viktor Johansson - Stoke City
MP: 26
GA: 32
Saves: 97
Save Percentage: 75.4%
Source: FBRef
Show his passing stats.
It's such a shame, looked so good in his early seasons with us. But fair's fair, had more than enough time to get back up to speed, time to move on for the benefit of both parties. Watch him join a new team and be unbelievable.
Unbelievably bad lol
Illan was the player who most suffered from Marsch's abysmal coaching and management. He went from a goalie capable of winning Prem player of the day in Nov 21 to a player who looked shell shocked from keeping behind our poor defence by April '23. He needed rehabilitation work last season but, while he has been OK in my view for most of this season, the need for some Bielsa team level coaching was plainly there. Sadly it may now be too late; although I for one hope not.
It's a real concern the impact Mesliers mistakes are having on the rest of our players. The incredulous looks on players faces after he made the mistake which caused the 2nd goal says it all.
We let go Summerville and Rutter always tough to replace them. Loads of goals from Summerville and a bunch of assists from Rutter. Still though we have more clean sheets plus bigger goal difference. Leeds need to stop being defensive allowing pressure to see games out we need to stay on the ball slow games down, taking ball to corner not allowing balls in our box. Keepers make mistakes and when they do it’s costly and noticed more than anything, that lad has saved Leeds over the 200 games played can’t praise his heights to then bully his mistakes.
Why does the gk coach have Meslier catching crosses in the warm up when he doesnt do it during the game. We conceed at corners , his strategy seems to be just stop on his line and let defenders deal with it. He didnt want to put ball over the bar and concede a corner.
Great interview with bryn . Very interesting
Well said Bryn. Great interview. People forget there is a young man taking the flak for his individual error. It gets far too personal and all that social noise will be overwhelming for him. As a supporter i set myself i the rule of not posting anything i wouldn't say to his face.
How great it is you can crusifie a individual, who is trying their best, from afar, remember he who never makes mistakes has made nothing!! Get a grip and support each other in the team, come on Leeds fans😊
@@shirleycrooks7628 we did the same with Coops and Bill, and this criticism will destroy his remaining confidence. Until the day he leaves he is one of us and gets my support
Get where Bryn is coming from, but bloody hell, if pussyfooting around it is the approach, how will anything change for the better? Meslier simply isn’t good enough, hasn’t ever been the complete package, which you could forgive a little if he didn’t appear to have gone backwards in doing basic GK bread and butter stuff. It suggests that whatever they’re doing in coaching sessions is clearly not working for him. Appreciate Farke has to protect his player to the press, but let’s hope the actual truth is being shared with him behind the scenes.
Spot on !!
Brilliant cast as always guys. Bryn you were clever with your words. But we all think the same about the keeper.
Good guest Bryn Law brilliant listening to Meslier has to be dropped give Karl Darlow a chance put him in for Harrogate Town in the cup 🏆 and give him a chance against Sheff wed . Daniel Farkes man management has to be proven more now than any time he's been Leeds United manager Mesliers confidence must be shot to pieces and looking at the players when that ball was going over the bar and Meslier palmed it down for Hull to score say's it all they went mental especially Joe Rodon says it all 😳. We managed to get a point I have calmed down let's move on fingers 🤞 crossed the 49ers 🏈 are working behind the scenes for bodies to come in I think this time the 49ers 🏈 have to do something because if they don't do anything it could bite us in the backside 😫. The legendary Don Revie once said about Gary Sprake I kept him in the net 🥅 too long due to having faith in Gary Sprake even though he made mistakes I remained too loyal I should've changed the keeper situation sooner and we might of won more matches so staying loyal could cost you as Don Revie was more or less was saying at the time. Thanks 🙏 gentlemen always love it when Bryn is your guest total respect Bryn 🫶🤝🙏love you brother Bryn and Tony Dorigo fantastic commentary team legendary 🤩 marching on together we all love Leeds 🦚🇮🇨🤍💛💙
Why is Meslier's progress going backwards?? I'm confused Ted...he seemed pretty damned good the first season back in the Prem...what the F*CK is going on??
Problem is his numbers aren't quite as bad as his performances have been. Mistakes like the second hull goal, don't show up in post shot xG number, and dunno if there is an unforced error type stat for goalkeepers.
You are phoning in the "German office" stuff a bit now. I'd be a bit careful or Neville and Carragher will be kicking in your front door in the middle of the night.
I couldn’t bring myself to watch the highlights so can only rely on my feelings from what I saw on the day, Two major mistakes from Meslier, horrendous goals to concede but my overall feeling was I hope the club put a collective arm around him. He is a young lad, miles from home working in a high pressure job, true he gets paid well, but remember he is only human, we all make mistakes, but most of us make them without the glare and publicity that comes with playing for the biggest club in the Championship. The cup game has come at a good time, doubtful he would have played against Harrogate anyway, so give Darlow his chance, remove Meslier away from the frontline to work on his form.
Are we going to say this after each shite game he has, or are we going to på rutless like a pro football club and get rid?
Fecking get rid, this is a football club. Feck that arm around the shoulder. GET RID.
I share your hope. But will the players put their arm round him ? I was disappointed to learn that 3 players publicly expressed dismay - I hope Farke says something to them.
Eh? He's responsible for the vast majority of goals conceded and you want the other players bollocking? Weird
He has over 200 games under his belt. Let him try to improve somewhere else. He's weak, indecisive and a liability.
Sorry mate completely disagree, we haven't got time for him to work into form that he's never getting back. He's a liability and has cost us so many points already this season. Do you actually want promotion or do you want our club to fail again?
My word it's GRIM being top of the League!
Mesilier has all the attributes to be a top top goalkeeper, unfortunately he just doesn’t deliver. So if you are poor at your job you get replaced or sacked. Either way he should not start the next game. Our club demands better of a a goalkeeper
It’s not just the mistakes & it’s not a 1 off. His individual stats are shocking & our competitors have the best keepers in the league not making mistakes & costing them points. You can argue he played a part in all 3 goals. Even burnley & sheff utd fans are saying that’s the difference that will cost us says it all
Fascinating chat
Sorry but Darlow isn't the answer either
Agree. He doesn’t play football, he only trains. Will take weeks to get match sharp and will be prone to errors in those weeks. A new number one is the only solution
We are top of the league with Meslier, but he has made enough mistakes to be classified as a weak link in what is a very strong squad. Stick or twist ? I'd twist at this point, I'd give Darlow a run, and I'd be looking around during the window. My fear is that if we stick with Meslier the mistakes will become more frequent as we near the end of the season and the pressure builds. Twist.
What happens if Darlow plays against Harrogate, but has an absolute howler himself?
It's possible!
Feck.......don't say that!!! 😮
Cairns
I don't fully get why we are all pussy footing around the situation as if meslier is on the verge of a nervous breakdown. These people are millionaires and their wages are paid for by the fans and supporters of the club. It's quite transactional. all the companies who sell the football broadcasts expect our money every month, the club expects it's income, and as a result the fans expect the manager to be competent and hold players to account. We also expect the manager and the management at the club to show ambition. The club was about 150 million euros up in the last window and they took 60 million off redbull, we have a small suad that is not performing so it's only fair to a) challenge the manager on this and b) expect that the club shows a bit of ambition in terms of the squad.
Bryn is a legend 💛💙💛 we're LEEDS and were proud of it
No he’s a lutv puppet
Has anyone ever seen Bryn Law and Adrian Durham in the same room?
I still maintain the fingers need to be pointed at the goalkeeper coaching staff & not just Meslier, either they are not doing their jobs right or Meslier isn't listening to them. But be careful of what you wish for asking for him to be dropped.
Why? He needs to be dropped or we don't get promoted - simple!!
First 20 mins was largely Bryn saying nothing. The big questions remain the lack of a reliable, quality GK and genuine no 9, together with Farke's lack of tactical nous and substitutions.
I was watching in Portugal 🇵🇹 😂
Nobody is saying Meslier isn’t a nice guy, but it’s at a point even for his own sake he needs dropping/selling.. it’s not doing anyone any good now him playing
Cant think off the top of my head of any prem quality keeper who Leeds could sign or would be willing to join a championship squad, come the summer and promotion, might be able to get Aaron Ramsdale from Southampton
Let’s get up first then replace Meslier with Kelleher from Liverpool he won’t even be their no2 next year with Mamardashvili coming in next season!! Get him!!!!
We won’t spend 25-30 mil on a keeper that’s Kelleher’s value
Cant sell him after performances his stock rock bottom
Great interview 👍
A striker is a more urgent need than a new goalkeeper. The additional goals will make it easier to absorb goalkeeper shortcomings. A better keeper will not bring us more goals.
Disagree entirely - we must stop shipping stupid goals. We are the best at scoring them currently!
How many stupid goals, in your view, have we shipped, against whom, which were unforced goalkeeping errors ? And has Meslier made any saves which ordinarily you would not blame him had he not made them ?
Mes is a Farke problem like so many other things.
If Bryn as a fellow employee can't ask Farke difficult or critical questions what's the point of talking to the manger
100%
Replace Meslier with Kelleher from Liverpool when we go up!!!!
If Farke is so good why did he get manor fit and in form and then drop him ?
@ he’s not “bad” but he could better . I’m not a farke out guy but he’s got all the tools to win promotion with this club . He failed last season . I’m worried we fail again
@ I agree with most of that . I wouldn’t call Gruev and ampadu journeymen . Listen he’s doing a lot of good things . But Meslier has to go . Now . And aren’t you worried with our away form ? The teams around us have no trouble in going to Blackburn or Watford or millwall and winning . I’m just saying i have concerns
Great guest, great podcast. Meslier HAS to go for me
One of the problems, as i see it. For all his mistakes Meslier is still seen as a high value player and is often linked to other clubs (whether or not that's just his agent trying to justify his 10% is another thing). The club are not going to want to just throw him out the door without a reasonable return.
The problem with that is his value is plummeting the more he plays.
Why do we and every1 else see wot we need to do but farke and 49ers dnt see it
Farke is stubborn and hates being proven wrong. Remember that 20 min spiel in a presser about Rutter/Piroe in the 9/10 position and he stuck to his guns for a while only for Georgi to eventually play 10. If the 49ers don't put pressure on him to drop Mes then we're fooked....!!
Get Dean Henderson....simples 😊
We don't want Scummers, thanks.
@@heldinahtmlhellYou mean like Gordon Strachan
I love Byrn but crikey he’s a bit dull 😂
Won't send rodon out he speak his mind and that's why he should be captain not amps rodon like Cooper was say it as it is
I wonder if Bryn is involved in coach education
Meslier has been a disaster for 4-5 years. His stats have always been absolutely shocking. For some bizarre reason the fans love him though. He got Bielsa sacked, he got us relegated and he stopped us from getting promotion last year. That's how bad he is.
GK and CF are the two most important positions on the pitch. And the fact we're still relying on Meslier and Bamford (to some extent) is shameful. GKs and CFs win and lose you games, especially when the pressure is on.
Well said!! MOT
I like Bryn but he could talk a baby to sleep
The most boring interview i have literally ever seen , don't even like listening to this guys commentary .
God the first 15 minutes were a hard listen . All that insight into how to ask some basic questions. He’s a great commentator though.
Best believe if the keeper situation isn’t addressed in January & Mes is still picked as No1 then when he makes his next mistake which inevitably he will I will 💯 be venting my anger at Farke as I think many others will. It’s so clear what’s wrong just do the simple thing & fix it 🤷🏻♂️ Great show as always 👍🏻
Bryn & Tony, the best commentary team out there in my book. Meslier needs to at least be dropped for a while. For his own sake as well as the teams.
Let’s have it right,
He made 1 mistake that game, not 2
The 1st could have happened to anyone and the 2nd wasn’t as easy as everyone is making out, if he puts it over the bar and hull score everyone abuses him for not catching it,
If he catches it he’s made a save and no one’s mentioning his name at all,
As it stands it was an awkward one which he fumbled but here’s the thing,
4 defenders,,, 4 ! Failed to react and 1 striker fled react and stuck his chance away,
I’ve not heard a single Leeds fan mention the fact the full defensive line failed to react, instead choosing to put it all on the keeper,
Every single person at that club has made him a scape goat for the draw, the lot of you should be ashamed,
Best support in England ?
Don’t make me laugh !
Farke will not drop him. Not a chance. Also, we won't be bringing any players in. Zero chance.
long winded story about asking Farke a question christ spit it out man
FARKE to blame not promoting competition in his squads since he’s been here. He overlooks hard work and sacrifice something a real manager uses as the bedrock to improving players performances.
It seems this cub is full of Yes men and weak cowards who don’t have any personality.
Farke isn’t very good . He says the same things every game . He does the same subs almost every game at the same time and he is blind to meslier inadequacy
Meslier has sadly gone downhill and has become a liability. It would be good if we could get a new John Lukic, Nigel Martyn, Paul Robinson type of keeper.
Leeds fan from America, bring in kelleher on loan for the rest of the season!
Never gonna happen
Both Farke and Meslier need to go. The club is too big for both. It's as simple as that.
Not good enough simples
Farke solutions kick kitchen sink on and hope it works he not getting us promoted if he don't drop keeper and get subs right and players right and dropping 6 points because keeper crap who going want come sit on bench and get 10 mins charity mins so that say it all about farke in general
Still think the dynamic of these eps with people who work with Leeds is slightly odd. The pod is usually great because there are no shackles and you’re free to say whatever. But Bryn is extremely shackled. He has to be opinion-less on a show meant to spread your guys’ opinion. Still watched it all though haha!
Bryn was the wrong person to have on after this game … we can’t keep the kid gloves on … it was two points given to the opposition that were ours.
Well not go up if we pussyfoot around like a kids sports day!
The in house guys can never ask the questions we all want answered we understand that. Phil the snake was the same and never held Radz or Orta to account even when it went to shit.
Phil often defended Ken Bates too .
Listening Bryn and Tony Dorigo, is tough as they are not critical and are not able to push as they are part of the club. Which is disappointing. You want honesty and critical analysis which we do not get
Not being nasty . But like bamford messlia is shit
Get rid ..if not we dnt go up simples weakest link in the team I cringe every time ball goes near him at the defence knows that and they showed that wen he let that goal in no1 likes farke is a mug if he sticks with him
Great commentator but awful interviewee - so longwinded and therefore boring.
Just get to the point B
Problems with lutv the wont ask bad question because the work for leeds United and the not allowed because not allowed bad mouth leeds United the not impartial leeds United own lu tv so it's the not going dig out farke or keeper so it's a pointless interview against manager because he won't take responsibility for his actions or lack of tactics or ability to call players out
Boring
Always edifying when trying to contribute to a channel to be told one’s comments won’t be read.
Yep, keep your opinions to yourself and pay up if you want to contribute! 😂
Christ, investment, common sense and guaranteeing the outcome - all fine words until you remember that we have Kinnear.
He'll be apologising with some fine words for doing nothing in his next years interview, mark it.