The Unnatural Resilience Of Asterion Moloc - 40K Theories
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- Just how has the Chapter Master of The Minotaurs been able to survive death time and time again?
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"Infamous for his brutality, paranoia and malicious nature and he's a highly disciplined master strategist with an aptitude for siege warfare"
That's an overtly descriptive way of saying he's a son of Perturabo.
I was going to say that he and his chapter were part Death Guard, who were also infamous for their paranoia and malice, as well as a legendary resilience to injury
@@m.r.1514 We have heard the theory on this channel before that the Minotaurs were a chimeric chapter, based upon traitor stock. Combine Iron Warrior and Death Guard gene-seed and you have probably the physically toughest, most relentless assholes in the galaxy
@Sturm und Drang Being Chimeric doesn't mean is has to have three or more components, just that it is a hybrid. That said, you are probably right and the Minotaurs are created from more than just traitor stock, there would most certainly be some loyalist gene-seed in there too, probably Imperial Fist DNA for their similarly intractable nature and skill at siege warfare, which would be ironic if I'm right about them being part Iron Warrior...
Oh Emperor, a Minotaur yelling "Fortify" and "Siege" at himself in a mirror...
@@weldonwin It might be too on the nose, but their name could be a direct reference to this. Since a minotaur is a half man/ half bull monster. So half Loyalist/half Traitor. My theory is Imperial Fists and Death Guard.
@Sturm und Drang my moneys on deathgaurd ironwarrior and worldeaters although the idea of that kind of geneseed remaining loyal is scary, Maybe Moloc is one of the custodes i really cannot see anything but a custodes minimum to keep that level of paranoid violent tank in line.
When Cortez was told to be seated because he had just lost an arm he said "I have not lost my arm, it's right over there" Badass line if any was ever uttered.
From iron cometh strength
From strength cometh will
From will cometh faith
From faith cometh honor
From honor cometh iron
This is the Unbreakable Litany. May it forever be so.
IRON WITHIN!! IRON WITHOUT!!
Expectacular IRON WITHIN! IRON WITHOUT!
You smell of dirt and entitlement.
The answer is simple: Asterion is canon Angry Marine. He's _literally_ too angry to die. Also possibly part Ork. That's the only way I can explain the whole 'decapitation' thing.
I must have missed the specified info regarding the decapitation, what's the source on that? o.O
ALWAYS ANGRY!!
I see more of my MooMarines the Minotaurs, I click, again
Moomarines....hehe! :) Like it.
@@daverage4729 oddly enough an ork account on Ifunny gave me the idea
Oi I know you
@@guiltyofbias8818 oh my
I knew I would find you here
He survived because he too is Alpharius.
maybe Sly Marbo's long lost twin?
Might be Alpharius and Omegon's long, lost triplet, Betacon.
@@phreakazoith2237 Sly Marbo is Alpharius in disguise.
Alpharius is Omegon, and Omegon is actually Tzeentch, who is actually a Baneblade disguised by Creed.
The Eye of Terror is actually a half eaten jelly donut, that Creed disguised as space anomaly for giggles.
Emperor is actually Ned the Janitor, who found a really shiny piece of gold foil from Creeds box of tricks.
aren't we all?!
Indeed, for I too, am Alpharius!
Thanks for covering this guy. Some think he could be a Custodies officer because of this Spear weapon or maybe a Lost Primarch. To me, he is too stubborn to die.
Moloc is like Courier Six, rising from the grave. However he's the one rigging the game; just look at what they did to the Lamenters. Never piss off your local milkman just like never piss off your local mailman.
Asteron Moloc has the most powerful power: plot armor with cheat code
I believe it is written as an actual ot point, as a way to add to how monstrous he is and maybe mix up the mystery of him
It's not plot armor if the character is always a beast or written to be that way
I don't think it's really plot armor if he still gets injured so much.
Did you hear about Morloc having his whole left side cut off?
He is all right now
Pedro Kantor: Look at you, youve lost an arm
Alessio Cortez: No I havent, its right over there *Points over Pedros shoulder*
For everyone complaining about decapitation, there is a very simple explanation. For everything that is weird about him.
If Asterion has his skull armor plated, with the implants we see being part of a life support system, then he could theoretically "pilot" his power armor even if his body was too damaged to move properly. That would allow him to keep fighting no matter how damaged his body got, since his brain would be the only thing he needs to keep fighting. This would involve tweaking the mind-machine interface, but the existence of dreadnoughts proves such feats are not only possible but accepted by the Mechanicum. Him coming back from a decapitation would be a simple as recovering both his head and body, reattaching them together, and possibly some cybernetics to reconnect the spinal column to the brain stem
But that's
*TECNO-HERESY*
@@RecoveringLoLAddict No it isn't.
That requires some sizeable equipment in his helmet designed just for the occasion of decapitation, and it would likely be able to function for less than a minute due to fluid loss/capacity. No one would have such things unless they were planning to get their head cut off.
With how much melee goes on in 40k and how they function as executioners, it makes sense there boss would have that.
In an alternative heresy,
Burning another galaxy,
Deep bellow the imperial palace walls,
In the total darkness, sons of one of the most bloody and brutal of the Emperor's Legions were preparing themselves for the coming conflict with raising anticipation.
They walled off all accessways into the palace and started to destroy all landmarks to make the battleground all the more disorienting.
Their plan was simple and straight to the point: hit and run tactics while making the enemy split up over the vast network of tunnels/galleys and paths, denying them use of their greater numbers while gaining local numerical superiority.
All that would enter this section of the underground war would be considered an enemy and to that end they sent a last voxcast reporting the situation, warning all allies to stay away and that they: "Would be His monster in the dark depth"
As the Emperor heard the last bit he chuckled and declared that if they would be his minotaurs in the labyrinth then he atleast would send them a guiding light and among his Custodians he choose one whose wrath and preferences for melee combat resonated with the legioners of the XII.
After the horrific conclusion to the herresy no conter-order could be given by the Emperor and the named Minotaurs refused to leave holy Terra without their leader.
And so it comes to pass that even after 10 millennia the Chapter Master of the Minotaurs is a warrior of the Adeptus Custodes, a new one chosen each time the old Chapter Master falls, forevermore binding their fury to the Captain-General's command and throu him, The Emperor's will.
Boars often ignore mortal injuries to fell their enemies. Maybe their Gene seed is spliced with boars, much like Leman Russ' own Gene seed was spliced with a wolf?
Either that, or he's literally too angry to die? I mean, look at Grimaldus of the Black Templars.
I heard of that rumor before.
There are no wolves on Fenris
@Ethan Lackey The only wolves on fenris are the space wolves, even then only by name.
The novel; 'The Thousand Sons' provides clarity on the subject.
They are loyalist Iron Warriors I believe.
@Ethan Lackey no... because there are no wolves on Fenris ;)
Custodian for sure. the Emperors Will alone can sustain him for 10 thousand years or 10 thousand wounds.
But Custodians have been known to die with far less damage than this guy. Many of them were killed by fucking Harlequins for God’s sake. This guy is probably something different
@@magnusthered5994 that's bullshit writing on the custodians and i am amazed that it's still fucking canon
@@magnusthered5994 that's because the writers are more powerful than the adeptus custodes
buy yourself a BlueTooth sleep headphones headband, pair it up to your PC/mobile phone player an go to sleep listening to these excellent videos
Heresy. How could one fall asleep during these highly interesting videos?
Unless of course you just fall asleep during the imperial one's.
Again, heresy.
I just play it on my cell phone speaker
Dude you have just made my day. I didn't even know sleep headphones existed. Just ordered some now hopefully I can listen to my 40k lore without strangling myself in my sleep 👍
@@wookiewithacookie6905 Also the big thick black ones, if you pull them down slightly you can block all light from your eyes whilst listening. The only downside is that there are sometimes 3 steps you have to take to connect them if you're using them on different PCs and tablets all the time.
Yeah he's definitely a Custodes, he's way too strong and tall to be an Astartes. He's said to be 3 feet taller than his brothers in the chapter.
He wears heels
I too think he is a Custodes
Thunder Warrior hybrid.
Search the space shraks, their chapter master is almost as big as a primearch, i would say bigger than Alpharius
@@bloodangel19 yeah that means nothing each primarch is a different height i mean the emperor is canonicaly like average height
"Reports of my death were greatly exaggerated."
Matteo Barbato I recognised that, where was that line from?
haha Tealc from SG1?
@@GaIvatr0n Mark Twain
@@GoklasM Thank you
Minotaur gene seed:
World Eater plus Iron Warriors plus Death Guard
Der Rabbit that theory alone makes me want to start collecting them
Are the Minotaurs angry smelly trench diggers?
With gene seed like that you would need a Custodes minimum to even keep them in line, the only other two things capable being a primarch and the emperor himself, Which is is sortof in short supply.
Brother, you've lost your arm!
Cortez: No I haven't, it's right over there.
Grimdark never made me laugh so hard
He's actually a perpetual who took part in the 2019 Area 51 raid. Which is where he got the fancy tech.
Random Minotaur: You know who I hate? Those bitchass Custodes.
Asterion: Say sike right now.
Minotaur: What?
Asterion: ... Nothing
My headcanon explanation is that Asterion is indeed an astartes, but he is heavily augmented to the grade where only a little part of his body remains non-cybernetic.
Much like Marneus Calgar, he is more bionics than biological. It's much easier to disregard damage that you literally can't feel. There was a great line about that in the book Damnation of Pythos: the sergeant punched it hard enough to break every bone in his hand. But he has no bones in left his hand, for it had been replaced with unyielding steel.
He is actually Just a group of children wearing powerarmour. Every once in a while they have to replace a dead "limb" with another Kid and Just continue in their merry way.
They may have forced the lamenters to surrender, but the glorious bastards kept going until it was impossible to keep fighting after hours, and against a chapter specifically designed to kill other chapters, thats impressive
They are sons of the angel the greatest primarch of them all what did you expect? :D
@@JJumper8888 to be killed by a bitch like their daddy was.
Seeing as how he survives being decapitation. I guess you can say he got AHEAD in life.
Edit: Apologies for any confusion. Scrolling through the comments and jumped the gun without finishing watching the video
I must have missed the specified decapitation, remind me the source of that?
@@40KTheories Huh, was just scrolling down in the comments thought I could get in on the joke on how stubborn he is to die that not even beind decapitation would stop him. Apologies for any confusion.
Adrathic weapons sound a lot like the Necron gauss ones, maybe that's why the Mechanicus isn't allowed them?
Custodes have rules for them in HH, they act as melta with less strentgh but faster fire rate
They are more like advanced volkite weapons. Things that in the rise of the great crusade was intended to be used by the legions but was to hard to manufacture for units that size.
Problem is tho is that as far as lore goes only the ten thousand are even allowed to use them and it's not even clear if they are been made so unless they lost a bunch of these weapons I don't think the spear has this type of weapon
Watching lore bits as i build a minotuar army. I personally think hes a modified Thunder Warrior
I like the idea of having custodes in their ranks, as it fits with other lore that calls out the Minators for having physically larger Astartes than other chapters... I'm thinking they are an unofficial offensive wing of the Custodes.
No chance.
Oh come one, we all know what's going on, they just keep replacing the last dead one with the current captain of the 1st Company and they all take the name Asterion Moloc to give the impression that it's one dude that's just that bad ass.
Speaking of Moloch, did you hear about Jeff Epstein?
Plot twist
He's just kitten, blowing off steam after too much crap from the other custodes.
Kitten isn't a teamkilling lunatic.
@@nicholasfallbrook9810 that's what he wants you to believe
Could he be a Perpetual?
Possibly true.
Dont perpetuals heal completely from wounds? Asterion has many scars and i dont remember if it is said whether or not perpetuals carry any scars.
The thought crossed my mind as well.
But as stated perpetuals heal completely with no scars or other signs of the injuries that brought about their demise remaining once their regeneration is complete.
Maybe moloch is such a badass that he can force his perpetual regeneration to not regenerate his scar tissue by force of will alone?
Id love this to be true but Perpetuals are not cybernetic compatable most of the time id imagine growing back their limb while a mechanical arm is jammed in there would be incredibly painful
He obviously went to the Yarrick School of Testicular Possession. Duh!
I though all space marines get their testicularies dispossessed during their transformation process.
the drawings of this guy make him look like the biggest chunkiest fucking marine I've ever seen, what a fucking unit.
Resilient, strong and unyielding.
But can he tell us why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?
he's got those resilient Thunderwarrior genes. ups. I said nothing.
Always thought we was that Thunder Warrior, Arik Taranis. Huge dude. Tough as fuck. Probably hates marines/wants to prove something because they replaced the Thunder Warriors. Might explain why the Minotaurs were originally said to have World Eaters gene seed, since Arik Taranis harvested the progenoid glands from the marines killed in the Outcast Dead. Maybe the High Lords know about this and that's why they listen to the High Lords of Terra so they don't get BLAM'd by the Inquisition.
Also thought he might be the Golden Warrior Dante dreams about in front of Emps. Though that could be a returned Rogal Dorn, Sanguinus, or Dante himself. Coincidentally the Minotaurs are heading back to Terra to replenish their gene seed stock in the current story line.
I'm betting on LORD Asterion Moloc being a Custodian. For his honey badgerness, noticeable height differential, modified Guardian Spear, and the possibility the High Lords (of which the Captain-General of the Custodes is one) wanting one to keep tabs on their lapdogs.
*clicks play*
Yeah...yeah, pretty much. Perhaps the Minotaurs started off with a regular marine as Chapter Master when the Chapter was founded, then changed to a Custodian when the High Lords' rotation led to the Captain-General getting a seat. Get one of their boys off Terra to stretch his legs, exert influence amongst the Astartes, etc.
Wouldn't a custodes stand out a bit though? They are quite a bit more formidable in strenght and fighting skill, not to mention their difference in fighting style. Cant imagine fellow chapter astartes would be fooled for long. Unless they are in on it.
What if he's the one who's supposed to infiltrate terra in their wargames? He's just taking the scenic route.
I'm sure he is a Custodian or a perpetual
Also this dude and Tyberos (chapter master of the carcharodon(? The space sharks)) Are just so insanly hardcore
I see one possibility that you missed. He could have been a Perpetual. Thus even if he died he would just return back to life.
I have an odd question, is it the waaagh! a skill that a psyker Could learn? if for example the emperor used a vehicle made of gold and skulls would this be faster than it should be?
(in the same way that orc vehicles painted red would be faster than they should be.)
The closest thing to a waaagh! field generated by humanity would be that of 'faith'.
@@40KTheories Thank you
The vehicle could go faster if many nearby orcs believed it should. But that would require a constant host of orcs to be nearby, not particulary practical.
Red ones dont go faster than they should, they only go faster than you. Thats how they get the colour.
Perhaps it's a title like the dread pirate Roberts
Who were the Men of Gold??
Who were the men of stone?
@@Wimpiethe3 how does the emperor keep his hair so smooth?
@@Wimpiethe3 Im not sure, but i know who the stoned men are...
"I remember when I replaced my finger with this auto quill... Aw, I just made myself sad" -Random High Lord of Terra
He's either a thunder warrior survivee or a alpharious level custodes
Asterion Molec is Arik Tanaris, Taranis was able to clone a new set progenitor glands from the geneseed of dead astartes. He then implanted the geneseeds into some of his soldiers and probably himself to preserve and heal his dying body. Tanaris was/is probably the only other person to know how to do this besides the Emperor and Cawl. With this knowledge plus his knowledge and experience of warfare, he could have the means and the will to create a chapter of Astartes, it also would give him the power to command an immense amount of fear, respect, auctoritas, among the high lords of Terra. It could explain how he's been alive for over 10,000 years. The fortunes he won in the unification Wars plus his illegal gangster empire, then the tech that came out of the geneseed cloning, plus the help of a select few of the high lords and or noble houses, would give him the means. Also, he got the original geneseed from either Artharva's body or one or both of the World Eater twins Subha and Asubha. Probably the worldeaters, it would explain the Minotaurs berserky disposition. This would be awesome and is already canon in my mind.
He could also be a chimera gene seed with Deathguard and Iron Warrior traits. We would know for sure if he started to dig holes
Fortify for da Emprah!
Love your content, unrated channel.
I have another theory. I believe that Asterion may have fallen to Khorne. Asterion is said to have died 7 times. If I remember correctly 7 is Khornes number. he and his chapter are also said to be extremely agressive, even more so than most other astartes, similar to Khornate berserkers. Additionally as stated in the video he has multiple cybernetic augmentations, and at 13:23 or thereabouts he is pictured with what looks like the Butchers Nails protruding from his scalp. Isn't it possible that one of these implants could have been the Nails?
Also Kharn the Betrayer was raised from death as well-at Terra if I remember correctly- due to Khornes intervention.
8 is Khornes number. 7 is Nurgles number
Realized that after I posted but it won't let me edit. Also sorry it took a while for me to get back to you. It was really late where i am when I got your message.
You mistake being "too stubborn to die" for being *"literally too angry to die"*
1:25 Khorne says hi
I think they need to write more novels with the Minotaurs.
Agreed
@@40KTheories Would the Minotaurs and Iron Snakes get on?
Chapters from Badab Wars are good examples of a good successor chapter variants.
Sounds like his spear might be inspired by the Spear of Longinus, the spear tip that pierced the side of Christ and is said to give the bearer long life and invincibility. It would fit with the Grecian and ancient history themes of the chapter, and at this point it could be a subconscious writing choice because of its appearance in popular culture. And "black swords" always provide power and longevity in fantasy stories starting with Elric.
A Dread Pirate Roberts and that James Bond fan theory sorta deal.
What a magnificent " WOOR RE EH"
Moloch is one tough bastard among tough bastards
I think option 1 is he just is unnaturally resilient due to his augmented Geneseed.
Option 2 is that the Custodes formed that chapter as a arm for them to use since they where bound to Terra during the cursed founding and since they had better access to Geneseed they succeeded where others failed. Then Moloc could be a Warden who was promoted to take up the role of Chapter Master and complete the Custodes and High Lords will
Maybe the Minotaurs were a test bed for the primaris marines
Great video as always 40k Theories.
I know obviously, the marines take inspiration from various societies & human civilisation but I really think it’s unique the inspiration drawn from Greek Spartans & The Minotaur of Greek legend called: Asterion
He is the literal legend
Well I like the quote 1d4chan gave about him being such a spiteful bastard that he just refuses to die
My favourite Chapter Master of all.
I heard that rumour sinse the Custode Codex dropped that he might actually be a mind wiped Custode.
You should do a videos discussing possible reasons why the emperor didn't simply clone the lost primarchs or the very damaged ones like the nighthaunter and angron. especially if he had the unaltered perwarp samples that wouldn't have had the memories that primarch clones seem to have. one is that clones seem to be weaker, Fulgrim seemed to be able to effortlessly kill the ferrus clones and abaddon was able to kill the Horus clone. Recall lorgar, the least skilled combatant among the brothers was able to mow down space marines like wheat at the drop site massacre. Horus who was considered the strongest even before the choas gods boosted him should be untouchable. my theory is that the emperor added something metaphysical to the originals that he could recreate, like part of his own essence.
Can you do the Big Boss of the Cacharodons, Tyberos "The Red Wake"?
I do mean to read 'Outer Dark'...
@@40KTheories I will check that. Thank you for the recommendation.
As soon as Rem said that he'd been written off as dead on several occasions but always turned out to have survived, the truth became clear! It's all just exaggeration and misunderstanding. In truth, he's the Space Marine equivalent to Ciaphas Cain. He's just been having to have a quiet and comfortable life but he keeps on getting into these tricky situations then somehow coming out on top despite the odds. It'll all come out when he gets his memoirs published.
Moloc is Constantin Valdor.
So how are the last three High Lords selected?
Yey, been waiting for this one
*His resiliance must come from HERESY*
Moloc is Constantine Valdor of the custodes. It just fits. 😉
I think he was a custodian that was super bored of killing rats and did not want to remove his armor and be covered in bodyoil only instead of kitten his reaction to being asked to wear nothing but a loincloth and bodyoil was answered with violent headbutts so when the minotaurs were founded as a lapdog for the highlords he was simply given the chapter so he could kill things that needed killing and stop headbutting his brothers.
This just in: local space marine literally too angry to die.
Interesting take. I personally think it's the same person. Just one tough mother.
Damn, imagine a dude regular space marines look at and think "Yeah, that guy is tough..."
O.o
I think that it's safe to debunk the Custode theory after reading Watchers of the Throne: The Regent's Shadow.
Yup. I'll have to revisit this video at some point in the future.
So what exactly happened to debunk it?
I know that Autek Mor is dead and all but if he and Asterion met, it would be badass.
Greek themed with spears and a leader who has multiple rumors of being slain? Sounds like Alpha Legion to me. I wouldn't be surprised if they were an Alpha Legion/Iron Warriors hybrid
Custodian heed to no one except to the Emperor and Custodes Captain General right ? So its impossible since the Minotaurs are basically the High Lord's attack dog, taking orders and following the pointing fingers from High Lords of Terra. Impossible, he is no custodes.
I swear this guy has the most badass armor
how does one come back from decapitation like that.
ork: "you juz get da maddok to staple it on. don' see wut all da fus iz about"
Was but a flesh wound.
Thanks for the vid sir.👍🏼👍🏼
They need to make his figure would love to run a compliant minataurs
www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Asterion-Moloc-and-Ivanus-Enkomi-of-the-Minotaurs
If I didn't also play Custodes, I'd find a way to make my marines Minotaurs. That armor is badass
Alternatively, he is the High Lord of the Custodes ^^
Custodes were made to hunt Astartes
I was on the fence before but now imma do it, I’m converting Moloc to be a Iron Warriors Warlord
Fun and wholly unrelated question: Can Astartes be Blanks?
Any book recommendations that focus on the Minotaur Astartes? Also anything on the Executioners would be dope too :)
The second Watchers of The Throne book features the Minotaurs as secondary antagonists :)
Moloc is Valdor
I see nothing posited here that definitively says anything besides "tough old Astartes in a Chapter with a lot of resources."
Honestly would love to see a fight between moloc and tiberos the red wake
He's just too angry to die
He a tough boi
My guess is that Asterion could potentially be a Perpetual.
"The severity of his injuries was so severe..." Really?
Can't remember where to find it but I remember reading a fanfic where basically asterion soul is transferred to a battle brothers body every time he nearly dies.
Moloc vs Tyberos, who would win ?
Kratos in power armour basically.