The first rule I have learned about soil samples is if they recommend a specific fertilizer brand and type they aren’t independent and the results could be biased to sell a product.
Matt Martin hinted at this on an episode of The Grass Factor basically saying he told folks to go F themselves if they wanted to peddle a soil test like this just to sell product, even if it was his product.
While this video made some interesting points, I think there are more constructive ways to advance an argument about lawn care than using this approach. It comes across as condescending at times, and basically accuses some of the most helpful and engaging lawn TH-camrs with lying, or something not far from it. Meanwhile, he doesn't offer advice about the *proper* way to conduct and interpret a soil test for a homeowner. Why not? Shouldn't that be a fundamental part of his argument? Without offering it, the credibility of his own claims are a bit suspect.
I am all for debunking misinformation, 100%. I do worry about this type of content though. Not for the sake of the individuals or companies being called out or corrected, but the audience you've already amassed and the queued videos you have. It appears that you are ensuring that you are unbiased and logical, almost robotically (which I assume is intentional), so I want to make sure you cover a few points, if I may: 1. Remember that some info presented by individuals may be anecdotal and was never intended to be pushed as fact or backed by claims - in some cases it's the viewers that turn this info into "fact". I understand the need to debunk this info, but remembering how it became "common knowledge" in the first place is a good way to help people understand why it is wrong and correct 2. DIY lawn care enthusiasts sometimes want and even need incredibly basic info to work with - in some cases this is why info is presented in an incredibly, sometimes stupid way. Just look at the creation of 4 step programs and dumbed down soil tests. DIY and homeowners dont want info presented in the same way a Turf Manager or Soil Scientist want or need it. Some of the points in the video seem to assume that these guys are presenting this info to pros and not DIY guys. Tell us dummies why something is wrong, then tell us the right info in a way that is easily absorbed, not just in a way that can be appreciated by people that know how to accurately read scientific studies. This is not an excuse for companies to pander to this and do what MySoil does (for example) with their "numbers", but again, it helps to understand the why. 3. Make sure that if you are going after TH-camrs, you are unbiased in that approach. So far you only have 3 videos, and I know you picked big guys because that gets butts in seats and all that, but don't forget that there are dozens of big and medium guys out there that get tons of views that also share misinformation or overly-dumbed down info. You know who I'm talking about. These arent demands or anything like that, just kind of a brain dump of things this video made me think about.
@@krusej23 Since we're looking at the top channels - He already picked Allyn so why not Ryan Knorr, The Grass Factor, Connor Ward, GCI, Castleberry, Reel Low Dad, Lawn Guardian - theres a ton of TH-camrs out there that say things that people can take as attempted sales or misinformation
@@DRK_BBQ this is true but they've only released one video so far so be patient. My guess is and it's only a guess is that they may be showing certain people first that reach the most people along with the fact that those same people might be saying the same incorrect information over and over in order for their own gain but who knows.
Nice job Derek!! Now I hope you read this. I noticed he only commented on one study from 1994 from one scientist. So I decided to look up "Ionic resin soil test studies". There are a whole bunch of studies out there published in the Journal of Agricultural Science that say they support this type of test. These studies were also done by scientist at Universities. Something doesn't smell right here. I encourage anyone that reads this comment to google it yourselves.
@@Eli-9 kinda like how any full service professional or delivery program that tries to give you products tailored to your soil/lawn would... they'd conduct a soil test, and then they'd recommend products that they either stock or make themselves and would use them for your program. and they'd probably get some decent results... and you'd be happy with them and buy again.
@@MikeBotrosDIYHomeGarden I agree it works to some degree, and my grass agrees. However, better tests can be obtained through local ext. offices/universities for half the cost or more. Speaking of cost, Sunniland is a great product in my opinion. They use to sell the Flag Ship at Lowe's for half the cost Allyn sells it for. This was also true for their 007 Dithiopyr product. I think Allyn's partnerships are great, but not all for me, the DIYer, if costs are going to double. I enjoy learning from Allyn and others, but I also strive to be a responsible and wise consumer.
Drama , instead of pointing out what’s wrong with the world, say something about how you do things and why . My subscribe n follow list is getting smaller. Finger pointing to gain media traction isn’t anything I want to be part of . Now onto another streaming platform to delete drama from this .
Mineralization and nutrient cycling improve significantly when soils are alive. Maintaining a living soil often requires that rates of high-analysis synthetic fertilizer and other chemicals be reduced, to enable a diverse population of microbes and micro fauna to carry out their specific and numerous functions. No amount of NPK fertilizer can compensate for compacted, lifeless soil with low wettability and low water-holding capacity. In fact, adding more chemical fertilizer often makes things worse. This is particularly so for inorganic nitrogen and inorganic phosphorus. An often overlooked consequence of the application of high rates of N and P is that plants no longer need to channel photosynthetic compounds (liquid carbon) to soil microbial communities in order to obtain these essential elements. Reduced carbon flow has a negative impact on soil aggregation - as well as limiting the energy available to the microbes involved in the acquisition of important minerals and trace elements. Lack of trace elements increases the susceptibility to pests and diseases. I’m glad that you mentioned the detrimental ecological/environmental consequences of the over application of P. However this also rings true for functionality within the soil ecosystem itself as well as the physiological functions of the plants : The application of large quantities of water-soluble P inhibits the production of strigolactone, an important plant hormone that increases root growth, root hair development and colonization by mycorrhizal fungi, enabling plants to better access soil P. (Link to journal below) The long-term consequences of the inhibition of strigolactone include destabilization of soil aggregates, increased soil compaction and mineral-deficient plants. In addition to having adverse effects on soil structure and aquatic ecosystems, the application of inorganic water-soluble phosphorus is highly inefficient. At least 80% of applied P rapidly adsorbs to aluminium and iron oxides and/or forms calcium, aluminium, manganese or iron phosphates. In the absence of microbial activity, these forms of P are not plant available. It is widely recognized that only 10-15% of P found in conventional fertilizer is taken up by crops in the year of application. If P fertilizer has been applied for the previous 10 years, there will be sufficient amounts for the next 100 years, regardless of how much was in the soil to begin with. Rather than continually adding P, it may prove more sensible to manage land in ways that support the soil microbes able to access ‘locked up’ soil P. Mycorrhizal fungi are extremely important for increasing the availability of soil P. Their abundance can be significantly increased by taking a more ecologically minded approach to soil rather than a soil test that is funded by the industry and adhering to the old model of “my soil test says I’m low in this so I need to add THIS to make it “work” better”.
@lawn creeps ltd. With all due respect sir here on planet Earth we have to adhere to the laws of chemistry and physics. we can't just make up our own science even if we say a lot of words it doesn't make it real. It sounds a lot more like you are growing compost than turf. Also I don't understand why you went off on this tangent about phosphorus The man clearly said in the video not to overapply phosphorus and to be conservative with phosphorus he even acknowledged some kind of environmental consequence.
Heyyy weren't you the crazy guy posting this same stuff on The Grass Factors Humic video and said " I’m so over lawn care.(uh-oh I can hear the mass exodus of my subscribers)" ? I thought you were over all this lawn care stuff? Are you still making lawn skateboarding videos through a fish eye lens and harvesting mushrooms and blucheese from the lawn? Really fun seeing you in the comments. Always a good reminder for me not to do drugs.
There are several statements on here that are misleading/twisted for the 'comedic' effect. Though I agree with some of what was stated by the 'host' here, other portions are added more for this effect than actual scientific analysis.
Since you haven't responded in over a week, I'm going to assume that you know you're peddling some of the same BS that you bash others for ... though your intentions are *maybe*? good, I would just suggest cleaning up a few things here and there.
I appreciate a constructive critique that isn’t an ad hominem attack, even if it is a critique on a content creator who puts out content I enjoy. But, what now? If this soil test isn’t validated and the ranges it gives don’t give you the info to make changes, what is the preferred way of getting soil data? This would be especially helpful for DIYers who don’t have access to methods and information that pros have. Since Allyn Hane’s target audience is homeowners, it would be helpful to know where/how a homeowner could get this info.
Local Ext. Services offices usually have soil test kits for half the price or more than the commercial test. The tests are conducted at local universities. Can't speak for all, but UGA calibrates and gives growing season program recommendations/intervals.
This was hilarious! Keep it up we all needed this laugh! From the very first time I every came across one of Allyn or Ron’s, I knew they were promoting products they had a stake in. Guess what? I have never purchased a single one. Why? Cause I Can Choose to, or not to purchase them. I watched a few of their videos and decided I would just keep doing what I have been doing to my lawn every-year. I receive compliments every time someone walks by, and I didn’t need to watch those guys to do it. Looks like someone is jealous of other people success. Why don’t you go out and be successful? Then some prick can trash your success on TH-cam.
Interesting. However again I don't follow these people. The people I follow have said not to base your application of nutrients if that's the right word on that particular bar chart. They also say that the various tests will recommend their product however that a five nitrogen is a five nitrogen no matter where you are getting it. I don't know if that's a proper terminology but I hope you understand where I'm coming from. I am a diabetic. My doctor tells me that I need to keep my trigger levels above 65. He tells me it should be below 180. He says it should be somewhere around 120. And he gives me insulin to help me accomplish those numbers. So I try to keep my numbers in the right areas. I would think that this would also be accurate with at least the three majors. I don't know. I'm not a scientist. Is this cartoon of scientist? I don't know. Come out from behind the cartoon and tell us who you are and what your background is. I might follow you for advice. But until then all I know is you're a car too. Thank you.
Legit question for ppl on here : why are some folks still using mysoil to do their soil test when reputable labs like waypoint analytical offers everything you need at a fairly cheap price ?
@@MrStangdawg depending on the test you choose (mainly dictated by your soil ph) waypoint charges about 17usd per sample and their report is super user friendly. Their app is also pretty neat. Even if in my case the shipping was cost prohibitive (canada) i still sent my sample to them based on the feedback Ive found on TLF. All that to say there was a whole array of gg choices and mysoil was nowhere near that list.
I always wondered how they had a optimal range on the test when they do not know what turf you have r anything. I will still use the tests to see where the levels are in my soil but other then that i will do my own research for my land to see what is optimal or as close as i can get it.
After watching most of these types of videos, unless they are specific on the type of grass, they are probably talking about tall turf type fescue (TTF) grass. You are smart to do your own research.
@@phidip2328 I agree to a point. I have never had a client or prospective client ask for anything other than a variety of TTF for their lawn. They may ask for Rebel, Falcon, Titan, and my favorite... Pennington, but they're all TTF's. My Waypoint lab ALWAYS asks me what am I growing, TTF, rye, fine fescues, etcetera. The weirdest request I got was for orchard grass! The gentleman wanted to start a hay business from 3 acres of clearcut!! LOL It was barely cleared!! Ultimately it's on the one submitting the test to give the lab the proper info to get good, meaningful results.
I have a a couple products of there’s I have seen results but I am ignorant and new to the yard care scene . The products rgs,and Humic they offer what are your thoughts on these ?
It's very likely that when you use a university provided soil test through your local extension office, the only things they will ask for are where is this sample from (turf of garden), when did you last fertilize, and when did you last apply lime. That's it. So if proper calibration is necessary to get a good test result, and calibration includes accounting for the grass type and other factors you mentioned in the video, then the universities aren't doing it either (at least my state's leading agricultural university isn't). Are you trying to say those tests aren't valid either? Ok...
@spottedowl Thanks for viewing and commenting. Yes. If the university has not conducted a calibration on the specific turf, soil, element, and extractant, then their recommendations are of little use. TT
Nice work. But, who would have thought that debunking the claims of a soil test would trigger so many trolls? You have clearly angered some people who cant debate your points, but sure do like whining about your anonymity. I dont care who you are or what your background is: all I care about is the information you provide. The people obsessed by that are unable to debate you, so they have to change the subject. Thanks for what you are doing and keep it up!
I think that the video comes across as being rather trollish itself, so this may explain why people are upset with it. Note that the video doesn't any actual solutions to the problems that it discusses, which is problematic in itself, and likely also leads to a backlash.
Trollish? I don't think you understand what fact checking is all about, as it's not trolling but rather explaining what the facts are (and are not). Also, it's not problematic that they don't offer solutions or make recommendations... quite the opposite actually as doing so would introduce bias, and a biased fact checker has no credibility. I do realize and appreciate that many have made emotional attachments to the things they believe. This can make unbiased fact checking unpopular with some as it hits too close to home. Instead of focusing on emotion, it's best to step away and look at things from am unbiased perspective so that logic and reason can follow.
@@symbiont0156 The reason the video is "trollish" is because it is nitpicking without providing solutions. You may want to characterize the video as a mere "explanation of the facts", but the quote put up only a few seconds into the video indicates that the creator is interested in more than just "facts". Furthermore, it *is* problematic that solutions are not presented (I don't understand the reasoning which claims solutions create "bias") because it raises a whole host of questions. Lastly, accusing the detractors of this video as being motivated by "emotional attachments" (without evidence, I may add) is simply a poor response. Listen to what the detractors have to say rather than dismissing them out-of-hand.
You seem quite confused and you dont seem to have much of a grasp of what fact checking is or what fact checkers do, because if you did you wouldnt be so obsessed with solutions rather than the things debunked here. But you are right that you clearly dont understand how offering solutions and recommendations would introduce bias, and since you have so many questions about bias then you should do some research of your own on fact checking. As for my comment about "emotional attachments", I can see that it hit pretty close to home with you judging from your response. I dont mean to trigger you any further, so I will leave it at that. Enjoy your weekend, watch some good football and have a cold brew or two.
@@symbiont0156 No, I am not "confused". I am merely pointing out that weaknesses and flaws of this man's approach. I am also pointing out the weaknesses and flaws of your defense of the TH-camr's flawed approach.
The problem with My Soil other than not being calibrated is that there isn't any real program guidance. It just recommends a product or two that it is affiliated with. Great! How often should this product be put down? Does the ratio ever change throughout? I've used My Soil and my local ext. via UGA, and UGA wins for the reasons mentioned. Plus, it is at least half the price of My Soil! An argument I have heard Allan mention for My Soil is that university tests can be confusing and offer generic recommendations. I can't speak for all, but UGA does go generic in that it just offers ratios in the recommendations. It also offers intervals. It isn't that difficult for the consumer to make a choice purchase based on NPK ratios, but everything is preference I guess.
@@TheGrassFactor From my perspective, you appear to be reaping the benefits of being quite okay with being wrong and then correcting course. Bravo to all of your awesome work.
@@TheGrassFactor I dont see it that way. I'm grateful that you stsnd strong and continue to push forward. Good will come your way sir. As always, mad respect and keep being you. I'm a believer. You never disrespected me even when I was out of line. I'm with you Matt.
Good video. I did one "spendy" mySoil test on my lawn and never felt it provided info that I would make realistic use from. It did indicate that my soil is more alkaline (higher pH) than I expected. I never repeat tested with mySoil so I guess my gut feeling was on the right track? I read more and retested through Waypoint which I did get a soil composition analysis and confirmed high pH. I found that info to be useful but specifically in terms of how long additives remain active in the root zone, degrade, or move past. So are we better served to forego soil testing and follow the annual fertilizer rates that appear in major university studies?
"So are we better served to forego soil testing and follow the annual fertilizer rates that appear in major university studies?" That's precisely the problem with this kind of video. It's easy to sit on the sidelines and attack people but quite another to make an affirmative statement about what should be done. If you have questions about soil tests, I think you'd have a better chance getting reliable information on what to do from university extension offices that offer those tests.
@@phidip2328 as long as he continues to cite his sources im still gonna find value here. Its like how somethings are not sweet but instead necessary all the same. Id much rather that than someone who just smiles in my face selling me stuff. So i read those soucres and bare them in mind tomorrow. Tomorrow the learning doesn't stop either. We just keep growing.
@@MikeHaddadLawnAddictions excellent. Then this video series is for you. If you have any specific products or services that concern you, you may ask about them here and we may include them in a future video.
Ironically I was having this exact same debate over the same issues with Resin test with the Soilab (MySoil) on TH-cam for the last few weeks covering the same issues. He accused me of being you.
Good question. This depends on numerous factors. Very likely, there is no soil test that can provide you with a valid nutrient recommendation for KBG except for lime. However, we can't say for certain. You may have a turf soil fertility specialist near you who has conducted the necessary calibrations. Due to the complexity of this issue, we may go into a greater explanation in a future video. Thanks for the question.
@@TurfTruth so basically nobody should do anything except water their yard and die. Got it. I don't even like yard mastery but you make me wanna buy their test just to piss you off.
@@JonP_4-31inf please by all means I want you to buy all that YardMastery and GCF has to offer. Can I help you load your truck? I really think you need these special products. Your attitude demands it.
@@Lawnvolution Indeed. But there are a lot of people out there who just want someone to tell them what to do and feel like they are a part of a group. Kind of like how everything is an inside joke with LCN. These guys definitely fill that void and they have a following that's feels to a cult, it's weird. On a positive note I guess it's better to get a "recommendation" based off of soil test vs some generic one size fits all liquid plan. The predators are evolving...😂
The TH-camrs put themselves on video, yet this person hides behind a cartoon. Hard to take this seriously when the person making the video hides behind a cartoon and only criticizes others with offering no original content. This channel is leaching off of others.
Well I would actually say that the information that Turf truth provides regarding misinformation is the original content. As for the reason of not showing their face it's because people in The Lawn Care Community have attacked whole families over things like this. If you are part of the Lawn Care community you probably know about that situation. If you're not part of the community don't worry yourself about it. Turf truth seems to be just debunking misinformation and backing it with science that they cite. So instead of just being hyped up and sold something lured in with confidence and unknowingly deceived I'm happy that Turf truth is providing this information for those who care enough to learn about it. This isn't an attack on anyone this is simply taking science and debunking some of these undercover sales pitches spreading inaccurate information.
@@tiffanywhite2121 I think that's a weak justification for hiding his identity. I had not heard of the person whose family was allegedly "attacked", but it seems overly dramatic to assume that Ron Henry or Allyn Hane fans are going to hunt the guy down. There's no law he can't hide his identity, but it just seems a bit odd, especially since he takes a rather condescending attitude here. And while the entire video is somewhat helpful, the whole thing comes across as strange, particularly considering the plethora of soil testing videos on TH-cam over the years. Why pick out this one to put under a microscope?
@@phidip2328 I believe his identity is irrelevant as long as he is site sourcing you can't get mad at facts for just being facts. Additionally I believe the only people that are desperate in finding his identity are those same people that would endeavor to stop him. Those are the only people who this identity is actually relevant to. If you don't like it don't follow it nobody is stopping you.🤷♀️
@@tiffanywhite2121 I think you're exaggerating the importance of his (non)identity to me. As I said before, he's free to post anonymously, even if it is somewhat odd, and you are correct that this doesn't take away from the factual claims he is asserting. My larger criticism of the video is that it comes across as being "nit-picking". Why invest so much time and energy into a video that is entirely critical of some TH-camrs who are incredibly helpful (and entertaining)? And why do without offering solutions?
@@HungrySoutherner No Offense Sean, those guys are not protecting their identity and most of them will tell you what their background is. There is truth in some of this, but how do you now he or she isn't being paid or sponsored by a big company like Scott's or other giants in the business. I am curious who this is and why we should all the sudden believe everything they say is truth. Money and politics play a big part in all of this just like every industry in the world. The boys from The Grass Factor are upfront and transparent to all of us. What makes Turf Truth so special? Wouldn't you like to know their credentials and if they are affiliated with some big corporation who maybe losing market share in the US because of the people he is calling out?
@@Blubaugh5 Ron is a previous book reviewer. Allyn a previous SALESMAN for trugreen. Pete is in the lawn care business. Princess nobody knows or cares.
Anyone can read documented university research tests and trials. The problem with what is happening in the ytube lawn game is people are “believing” in a product only because of the good feeling it provides. Facts are what makes agronomy successful. Anyone can read online published material. Yes, TT has apparently credentials but it is based on facts not belief. So, what does someone needing credentials have to due with making this video if the links provided point to facts? Read people and get knowledge.
@@Blubaugh5 my opinion is you're missing the point. There is a concept called the "appeal to authority fallacy" , it's the undertone of 99% of the TH-cam videos being made about turf from people with zero background in soil science or agronomics. It's the "buy my stuff because I know what I'm talking about, or looking at my lawn" mentality. This is the opposite of that, the person behind TurfTruth isn't appealing to his or her authority, but relying on published scientific work and textbook agronomics. I would take that a step further in that I believe whoever this is wants "You" the viewer to step out of the easy mindset of just tell me what to do and buy, and instead do the hard thing of gaining the knowledge about the subject through academic debate and scientific principles. I think this person would welcome you engaging in that debate. If you have a published paper or statistically significant evidence, that isn't anecdotal, that speaks otherwise on this subject about soil resin testing or methodology they welcome the notion that their mind can be changed. Science changes everyday. Some university or research institute could very well be doing studies right now trying to understand the parameters and use cases that would apply to resin testing for turf grass such that it becomes a valuable tool, but someone has to do that work so that it transitions from marketing gimmick to a useful measuring tape. The fact that this person(s) doesn't want to engage in the public image war on social media, speaks more to the fact that they have to work harder to provide evidence in defense of their opinions. Its honorable to think that a person without expressed direct financial interest is trying to bring some fun and deeper education to a space that left unchecked leads to fewer products being available from poor application, more regulations and miss information about products and practices that provide little to know value because they lack tested evidence.
Just did a complete renovation on my lawn 100% KBG, I’m having some parts of my lawns soil turning black and the grass is growing very slow compared to other parts. Has anyone ever seen this?
If it's really been wet, it's possibly black algae. Black algae, a generic term, will smother grass. I see it mostly in clients lawns with irrigation that is used too much.
just be sure to get a standardized soil test from your local extension service office or anywhere else that standardized soils tests are offered. soil testing is fundamental to turf management at home and on the course or athletic field
If Matt had something to say I believe he would tell you directly. He's never bothered to hide behind anonymity before. I don't know why he would start now.
The turf community was rocked last week by a lawn leveling rake review. I'm not sure if we're ready for this.
It’s time to separate the sheep from the goats
The first rule I have learned about soil samples is if they recommend a specific fertilizer brand and type they aren’t independent and the results could be biased to sell a product.
Matt Martin hinted at this on an episode of The Grass Factor basically saying he told folks to go F themselves if they wanted to peddle a soil test like this just to sell product, even if it was his product.
While this video made some interesting points, I think there are more constructive ways to advance an argument about lawn care than using this approach. It comes across as condescending at times, and basically accuses some of the most helpful and engaging lawn TH-camrs with lying, or something not far from it. Meanwhile, he doesn't offer advice about the *proper* way to conduct and interpret a soil test for a homeowner. Why not? Shouldn't that be a fundamental part of his argument? Without offering it, the credibility of his own claims are a bit suspect.
This is awesome I've been waiting years for a channel like this. Always nice when you've had a thought or view and someone takes the time to call bs.
I am all for debunking misinformation, 100%. I do worry about this type of content though. Not for the sake of the individuals or companies being called out or corrected, but the audience you've already amassed and the queued videos you have. It appears that you are ensuring that you are unbiased and logical, almost robotically (which I assume is intentional), so I want to make sure you cover a few points, if I may:
1. Remember that some info presented by individuals may be anecdotal and was never intended to be pushed as fact or backed by claims - in some cases it's the viewers that turn this info into "fact". I understand the need to debunk this info, but remembering how it became "common knowledge" in the first place is a good way to help people understand why it is wrong and correct
2. DIY lawn care enthusiasts sometimes want and even need incredibly basic info to work with - in some cases this is why info is presented in an incredibly, sometimes stupid way. Just look at the creation of 4 step programs and dumbed down soil tests. DIY and homeowners dont want info presented in the same way a Turf Manager or Soil Scientist want or need it. Some of the points in the video seem to assume that these guys are presenting this info to pros and not DIY guys. Tell us dummies why something is wrong, then tell us the right info in a way that is easily absorbed, not just in a way that can be appreciated by people that know how to accurately read scientific studies. This is not an excuse for companies to pander to this and do what MySoil does (for example) with their "numbers", but again, it helps to understand the why.
3. Make sure that if you are going after TH-camrs, you are unbiased in that approach. So far you only have 3 videos, and I know you picked big guys because that gets butts in seats and all that, but don't forget that there are dozens of big and medium guys out there that get tons of views that also share misinformation or overly-dumbed down info. You know who I'm talking about.
These arent demands or anything like that, just kind of a brain dump of things this video made me think about.
@ Lazy Lawns Thanks for the comment. We will keep your concerns in mind as we prepare future videos.
Thanks for watching.
TT
Who would you suggest @Lazy Lawns?
@@krusej23 Since we're looking at the top channels - He already picked Allyn so why not Ryan Knorr, The Grass Factor, Connor Ward, GCI, Castleberry, Reel Low Dad, Lawn Guardian - theres a ton of TH-camrs out there that say things that people can take as attempted sales or misinformation
@@DRK_BBQ this is true but they've only released one video so far so be patient. My guess is and it's only a guess is that they may be showing certain people first that reach the most people along with the fact that those same people might be saying the same incorrect information over and over in order for their own gain but who knows.
Nice job Derek!! Now I hope you read this. I noticed he only commented on one study from 1994 from one scientist. So I decided to look up "Ionic resin soil test studies". There are a whole bunch of studies out there published in the Journal of Agricultural Science that say they support this type of test. These studies were also done by scientist at Universities.
Something doesn't smell right here. I encourage anyone that reads this comment to google it yourselves.
Interesting, looking forward to the series. Definitely a hot topic.
Did they ever disclose conflict of interest in the video? Cause their interview with MySoil is flaw inherently if it isn’t.
I agree. Sooo they’re going to test your soil & conveniently sell you exactly what you need. 🧐
@@Eli-9 kinda like how any full service professional or delivery program that tries to give you products tailored to your soil/lawn would... they'd conduct a soil test, and then they'd recommend products that they either stock or make themselves and would use them for your program. and they'd probably get some decent results... and you'd be happy with them and buy again.
If you don’t notice the scam then I can’t help you.
@@Eli-9 it’s only a scam if it doesn’t work. My grass says it works.
@@MikeBotrosDIYHomeGarden I agree it works to some degree, and my grass agrees. However, better tests can be obtained through local ext. offices/universities for half the cost or more. Speaking of cost, Sunniland is a great product in my opinion. They use to sell the Flag Ship at Lowe's for half the cost Allyn sells it for. This was also true for their 007 Dithiopyr product. I think Allyn's partnerships are great, but not all for me, the DIYer, if costs are going to double. I enjoy learning from Allyn and others, but I also strive to be a responsible and wise consumer.
Drama , instead of pointing out what’s wrong with the world, say something about how you do things and why . My subscribe n follow list is getting smaller. Finger pointing to gain media traction isn’t anything I want to be part of . Now onto another streaming platform to delete drama from this .
To give truth to someone who does not seek truth only gives them a multitude of reasons for misinterpretation
Very interesting! Following...
Borgman uses a whole lot of words to say a whole lot of nothing.
Mineralization and nutrient cycling improve significantly when soils are alive. Maintaining a living soil often requires that rates of high-analysis synthetic fertilizer and other chemicals be reduced, to enable a diverse population of microbes and micro fauna to carry out their specific and numerous functions.
No amount of NPK fertilizer can compensate for compacted, lifeless soil with low wettability and low water-holding capacity. In fact, adding more chemical fertilizer often makes things worse. This is particularly so for inorganic nitrogen and inorganic phosphorus. An often overlooked consequence of the application of high rates of N and P is that plants no longer need to channel photosynthetic compounds (liquid carbon) to soil microbial communities in order to obtain these essential elements. Reduced carbon flow has a negative impact on soil aggregation - as well as limiting the energy available to the microbes involved in the acquisition of important minerals and trace elements. Lack of trace elements increases the susceptibility to pests and diseases.
I’m glad that you mentioned the detrimental ecological/environmental consequences of the over application of P. However this also rings true for functionality within the soil ecosystem itself as well as the physiological functions of the plants :
The application of large quantities of water-soluble P inhibits the production of strigolactone, an important plant hormone that increases root growth, root hair development and colonization by mycorrhizal fungi, enabling plants to better access soil P. (Link to journal below) The long-term consequences of the inhibition of strigolactone include destabilization of soil aggregates, increased soil compaction and mineral-deficient plants.
In addition to having adverse effects on soil structure and aquatic ecosystems, the application of inorganic water-soluble phosphorus is highly inefficient. At least 80% of applied P rapidly adsorbs to aluminium and iron oxides and/or forms calcium, aluminium, manganese or iron phosphates. In the absence of microbial activity, these forms of P are not plant available.
It is widely recognized that only 10-15% of P found in conventional fertilizer is taken up by crops in the year of application. If P fertilizer has been applied for the previous 10 years, there will be sufficient amounts for the next 100 years, regardless of how much was in the soil to begin with. Rather than continually adding P, it may prove more sensible to manage land in ways that support the soil microbes able to access ‘locked up’ soil P.
Mycorrhizal fungi are extremely important for increasing the availability of soil P. Their abundance can be significantly increased by taking a more ecologically minded approach to soil rather than a soil test that is funded by the industry and adhering to the old model of “my soil test says I’m low in this so I need to add THIS to make it “work” better”.
Instead of synthetic feet, would love to learn some of what you recommend.
@@dthedad7330 good luck getting a straight answer from him. It's usually like this long, drawn out paragraphs of rambling.
@lawn creeps ltd.
With all due respect sir here on planet Earth we have to adhere to the laws of chemistry and physics. we can't just make up our own science even if we say a lot of words it doesn't make it real. It sounds a lot more like you are growing compost than turf.
Also I don't understand why you went off on this tangent about phosphorus The man clearly said in the video not to overapply phosphorus and to be conservative with phosphorus he even acknowledged some kind of environmental consequence.
Heyyy weren't you the crazy guy posting this same stuff on The Grass Factors Humic video and said " I’m so over lawn care.(uh-oh I can hear the mass exodus of my subscribers)" ? I thought you were over all this lawn care stuff? Are you still making lawn skateboarding videos through a fish eye lens and harvesting mushrooms and blucheese from the lawn? Really fun seeing you in the comments. Always a good reminder for me not to do drugs.
@@soilcreepsandgardengeeks71 I guess I missed that there man somewhere in the word salad bar I mean you could see how I could get lost in there right
There are several statements on here that are misleading/twisted for the 'comedic' effect. Though I agree with some of what was stated by the 'host' here, other portions are added more for this effect than actual scientific analysis.
Since you haven't responded in over a week, I'm going to assume that you know you're peddling some of the same BS that you bash others for ... though your intentions are *maybe*? good, I would just suggest cleaning up a few things here and there.
I appreciate a constructive critique that isn’t an ad hominem attack, even if it is a critique on a content creator who puts out content I enjoy.
But, what now? If this soil test isn’t validated and the ranges it gives don’t give you the info to make changes, what is the preferred way of getting soil data? This would be especially helpful for DIYers who don’t have access to methods and information that pros have. Since Allyn Hane’s target audience is homeowners, it would be helpful to know where/how a homeowner could get this info.
Try google “Soil testing center near me.” Or contact local university near you.
Local Ext. Services offices usually have soil test kits for half the price or more than the commercial test. The tests are conducted at local universities. Can't speak for all, but UGA calibrates and gives growing season program recommendations/intervals.
This was hilarious! Keep it up we all needed this laugh! From the very first time I every came across one of Allyn or Ron’s, I knew they were promoting products they had a stake in. Guess what? I have never purchased a single one. Why? Cause I Can Choose to, or not to purchase them. I watched a few of their videos and decided I would just keep doing what I have been doing to my lawn every-year. I receive compliments every time someone walks by, and I didn’t need to watch those guys to do it. Looks like someone is jealous of other people success. Why don’t you go out and be successful? Then some prick can trash your success on TH-cam.
Interesting. However again I don't follow these people. The people I follow have said not to base your application of nutrients if that's the right word on that particular bar chart. They also say that the various tests will recommend their product however that a five nitrogen is a five nitrogen no matter where you are getting it. I don't know if that's a proper terminology but I hope you understand where I'm coming from. I am a diabetic. My doctor tells me that I need to keep my trigger levels above 65. He tells me it should be below 180. He says it should be somewhere around 120. And he gives me insulin to help me accomplish those numbers. So I try to keep my numbers in the right areas. I would think that this would also be accurate with at least the three majors. I don't know. I'm not a scientist. Is this cartoon of scientist? I don't know. Come out from behind the cartoon and tell us who you are and what your background is. I might follow you for advice. But until then all I know is you're a car too. Thank you.
Legit question for ppl on here : why are some folks still using mysoil to do their soil test when reputable labs like waypoint analytical offers everything you need at a fairly cheap price ?
Marketing. Waypoint doesn’t advertise on Instagram and TH-cam
@@kennycooperkc that make sense. I tend to assume that most ppl watching lawn care vids are also members of TLF.
@@pbc1337 that would be great if it was true. A ton of great information can be found there
@@MrStangdawg it definitely isn’t. Waypoint is even cheaper yet. So yes mysoil is on the higher end cost wise
@@MrStangdawg depending on the test you choose (mainly dictated by your soil ph) waypoint charges about 17usd per sample and their report is super user friendly. Their app is also pretty neat. Even if in my case the shipping was cost prohibitive (canada) i still sent my sample to them based on the feedback Ive found on TLF. All that to say there was a whole array of gg choices and mysoil was nowhere near that list.
I always wondered how they had a optimal range on the test when they do not know what turf you have r anything. I will still use the tests to see where the levels are in my soil but other then that i will do my own research for my land to see what is optimal or as close as i can get it.
After watching most of these types of videos, unless they are specific on the type of grass, they are probably talking about tall turf type fescue (TTF) grass. You are smart to do your own research.
I think that turf type is a basic type of information that soil tests usually request. In other words, the testing lab should know what turf you have.
@@phidip2328 I agree to a point. I have never had a client or prospective client ask for anything other than a variety of TTF for their lawn. They may ask for Rebel, Falcon, Titan, and my favorite... Pennington, but they're all TTF's. My Waypoint lab ALWAYS asks me what am I growing, TTF, rye, fine fescues, etcetera. The weirdest request I got was for orchard grass! The gentleman wanted to start a hay business from 3 acres of clearcut!! LOL It was barely cleared!! Ultimately it's on the one submitting the test to give the lab the proper info to get good, meaningful results.
The university based tests also provide a range, and they don't know what turf you have either.
When will you be doing a video on Ryan Knorr?
This is awesome! Keep them coming, always great to learn and expand.
Thanks! Will do!
Yep, I'm hooked.
Looking forward to the entire series
It's all fun and games until old boy comes after your molasses videos Kenny.
@@briano9879 not sure I’m spreading a ton of BS. In my videos about it. And if I get featured I guess I have it coming then 🤷🏻♂️
@@kennycooperkc Your disclaimer grants you a clemency from the B.S. Meter. 😂
@@briano9879 I definitely don’t pretend to know what I’m doing. 😂
@@tiffanywhite2121 they possibly have never seen my videos. And probably don’t care about some princess and his cry baby leveling rake comparison
I have a a couple products of there’s I have seen results but I am ignorant and new to the yard care scene . The products rgs,and Humic they offer what are your thoughts on these ?
It's very likely that when you use a university provided soil test through your local extension office, the only things they will ask for are where is this sample from (turf of garden), when did you last fertilize, and when did you last apply lime. That's it. So if proper calibration is necessary to get a good test result, and calibration includes accounting for the grass type and other factors you mentioned in the video, then the universities aren't doing it either (at least my state's leading agricultural university isn't). Are you trying to say those tests aren't valid either? Ok...
@spottedowl Thanks for viewing and commenting. Yes. If the university has not conducted a calibration on the specific turf, soil, element, and extractant, then their recommendations are of little use.
TT
@@TurfTruth then aren't the sources you reference irrelevant? This university studies are not specific to one turf.
I agree with how you challenge these youtubers.
I applied a 6-6-6 and the lawn looks like hell. What went wrong you think?
Sounds like it needs to be painted black! (Humic joke)
@@tiffanywhite2121 I get it I get it!
Nice work. But, who would have thought that debunking the claims of a soil test would trigger so many trolls? You have clearly angered some people who cant debate your points, but sure do like whining about your anonymity. I dont care who you are or what your background is: all I care about is the information you provide. The people obsessed by that are unable to debate you, so they have to change the subject. Thanks for what you are doing and keep it up!
I think that the video comes across as being rather trollish itself, so this may explain why people are upset with it. Note that the video doesn't any actual solutions to the problems that it discusses, which is problematic in itself, and likely also leads to a backlash.
Trollish? I don't think you understand what fact checking is all about, as it's not trolling but rather explaining what the facts are (and are not). Also, it's not problematic that they don't offer solutions or make recommendations... quite the opposite actually as doing so would introduce bias, and a biased fact checker has no credibility.
I do realize and appreciate that many have made emotional attachments to the things they believe. This can make unbiased fact checking unpopular with some as it hits too close to home. Instead of focusing on emotion, it's best to step away and look at things from am unbiased perspective so that logic and reason can follow.
@@symbiont0156 The reason the video is "trollish" is because it is nitpicking without providing solutions. You may want to characterize the video as a mere "explanation of the facts", but the quote put up only a few seconds into the video indicates that the creator is interested in more than just "facts".
Furthermore, it *is* problematic that solutions are not presented (I don't understand the reasoning which claims solutions create "bias") because it raises a whole host of questions.
Lastly, accusing the detractors of this video as being motivated by "emotional attachments" (without evidence, I may add) is simply a poor response. Listen to what the detractors have to say rather than dismissing them out-of-hand.
You seem quite confused and you dont seem to have much of a grasp of what fact checking is or what fact checkers do, because if you did you wouldnt be so obsessed with solutions rather than the things debunked here. But you are right that you clearly dont understand how offering solutions and recommendations would introduce bias, and since you have so many questions about bias then you should do some research of your own on fact checking. As for my comment about "emotional attachments", I can see that it hit pretty close to home with you judging from your response. I dont mean to trigger you any further, so I will leave it at that. Enjoy your weekend, watch some good football and have a cold brew or two.
@@symbiont0156 No, I am not "confused". I am merely pointing out that weaknesses and flaws of this man's approach. I am also pointing out the weaknesses and flaws of your defense of the TH-camr's flawed approach.
Why don’t you quote “travis shaddox university of kentucky”? THATS YOU!
Do you have any proof? Have you seen all the people saying its matt martin?
Do Peptides next!
The problem with My Soil other than not being calibrated is that there isn't any real program guidance. It just recommends a product or two that it is affiliated with. Great! How often should this product be put down? Does the ratio ever change throughout? I've used My Soil and my local ext. via UGA, and UGA wins for the reasons mentioned. Plus, it is at least half the price of My Soil! An argument I have heard Allan mention for My Soil is that university tests can be confusing and offer generic recommendations. I can't speak for all, but UGA does go generic in that it just offers ratios in the recommendations. It also offers intervals. It isn't that difficult for the consumer to make a choice purchase based on NPK ratios, but everything is preference I guess.
It’s easy to be confused when it’s beat into your head that you are confused.
I would go with the test from Clemson over UGA since Clemson offers more data.
Excited to see what’s to come!
Love it. Thank you..To the honest content creator who put this channel together. 👍🍻
Glad you enjoy it!
@@TurfTruth Looking forward to future content. Matt Martin is another guy who spits only the truth. 👍
@@SuperTA329 I'm paying penance for thinking i knew more than i did!
@@TheGrassFactor From my perspective, you appear to be reaping the benefits of being quite okay with being wrong and then correcting course. Bravo to all of your awesome work.
@@TheGrassFactor I dont see it that way. I'm grateful that you stsnd strong and continue to push forward. Good will come your way sir. As always, mad respect and keep being you. I'm a believer. You never disrespected me even when I was out of line. I'm with you Matt.
Gold
Thank you for these videos. A very good rebuttal to the misinformation out there.
Thanks for watching!
Good video. I did one "spendy" mySoil test on my lawn and never felt it provided info that I would make realistic use from. It did indicate that my soil is more alkaline (higher pH) than I expected. I never repeat tested with mySoil so I guess my gut feeling was on the right track? I read more and retested through Waypoint which I did get a soil composition analysis and confirmed high pH. I found that info to be useful but specifically in terms of how long additives remain active in the root zone, degrade, or move past. So are we better served to forego soil testing and follow the annual fertilizer rates that appear in major university studies?
"So are we better served to forego soil testing and follow the annual fertilizer rates that appear in major university studies?"
That's precisely the problem with this kind of video. It's easy to sit on the sidelines and attack people but quite another to make an affirmative statement about what should be done. If you have questions about soil tests, I think you'd have a better chance getting reliable information on what to do from university extension offices that offer those tests.
@@phidip2328 sometimes disproving something is still progress.
@@tiffanywhite2121 True, but sometimes sitting back and throwing mud simply makes everything dirty and causes division.
@@phidip2328 as long as he continues to cite his sources im still gonna find value here. Its like how somethings are not sweet but instead necessary all the same.
Id much rather that than someone who just smiles in my face selling me stuff. So i read those soucres and bare them in mind tomorrow. Tomorrow the learning doesn't stop either. We just keep growing.
@@tiffanywhite2121 That's fine. You're free to find value in these videos. I simply think they're of limited value and use a poor intellectual tactic.
Great video. I love using science to debunk marketing gimmicks.
More to come!
I get it, but will buy some products from Allen,
so what should I apply and when?
Where are the haters in the comments?
At their sales jobs lol.
Lol! But let's not beat up the salesmen too much. Many salesman are truthful. We just want to shine a light on the bullshitters.
@@TurfTruth I just don’t want to be sold something I don’t need
@@MikeHaddadLawnAddictions excellent. Then this video series is for you. If you have any specific products or services that concern you, you may ask about them here and we may include them in a future video.
Ironically I was having this exact same debate over the same issues with Resin test with the Soilab (MySoil) on TH-cam for the last few weeks covering the same issues. He accused me of being you.
So where do I get a soil test for KBG?
Good question. This depends on numerous factors. Very likely, there is no soil test that can provide you with a valid nutrient recommendation for KBG except for lime. However, we can't say for certain. You may have a turf soil fertility specialist near you who has conducted the necessary calibrations. Due to the complexity of this issue, we may go into a greater explanation in a future video. Thanks for the question.
@@TurfTruth so basically nobody should do anything except water their yard and die. Got it.
I don't even like yard mastery but you make me wanna buy their test just to piss you off.
How do I apply for my refund I didn’t find anything on the app again on the app
@@oo7nadeau891 this ain't yard mastery and if you can't figure that out you ain't gonna figure out the app.
@@JonP_4-31inf please by all means I want you to buy all that YardMastery and GCF has to offer. Can I help you load your truck? I really think you need these special products. Your attitude demands it.
So , if MySoil is not as accurate compared to an extension office and/or university labs why are those 3 recommending My Soil?
Because one owns the company and the other two get a commission for offering the service on their TH-cam Channel.
I hear that his products that he sells are recommended for consumers to buy on MySoil test too.
@@Lawnvolution Indeed. But there are a lot of people out there who just want someone to tell them what to do and feel like they are a part of a group. Kind of like how everything is an inside joke with LCN. These guys definitely fill that void and they have a following that's feels to a cult, it's weird. On a positive note I guess it's better to get a "recommendation" based off of soil test vs some generic one size fits all liquid plan. The predators are evolving...😂
The TH-camrs put themselves on video, yet this person hides behind a cartoon. Hard to take this seriously when the person making the video hides behind a cartoon and only criticizes others with offering no original content.
This channel is leaching off of others.
Well I would actually say that the information that Turf truth provides regarding misinformation is the original content. As for the reason of not showing their face it's because people in The Lawn Care Community have attacked whole families over things like this. If you are part of the Lawn Care community you probably know about that situation. If you're not part of the community don't worry yourself about it. Turf truth seems to be just debunking misinformation and backing it with science that they cite. So instead of just being hyped up and sold something lured in with confidence and unknowingly deceived I'm happy that Turf truth is providing this information for those who care enough to learn about it. This isn't an attack on anyone this is simply taking science and debunking some of these undercover sales pitches spreading inaccurate information.
@@tiffanywhite2121 I think that's a weak justification for hiding his identity. I had not heard of the person whose family was allegedly "attacked", but it seems overly dramatic to assume that Ron Henry or Allyn Hane fans are going to hunt the guy down. There's no law he can't hide his identity, but it just seems a bit odd, especially since he takes a rather condescending attitude here. And while the entire video is somewhat helpful, the whole thing comes across as strange, particularly considering the plethora of soil testing videos on TH-cam over the years. Why pick out this one to put under a microscope?
@@phidip2328 I believe his identity is irrelevant as long as he is site sourcing you can't get mad at facts for just being facts. Additionally I believe the only people that are desperate in finding his identity are those same people that would endeavor to stop him. Those are the only people who this identity is actually relevant to. If you don't like it don't follow it nobody is stopping you.🤷♀️
@@tiffanywhite2121 I think you're exaggerating the importance of his (non)identity to me. As I said before, he's free to post anonymously, even if it is somewhat odd, and you are correct that this doesn't take away from the factual claims he is asserting. My larger criticism of the video is that it comes across as being "nit-picking". Why invest so much time and energy into a video that is entirely critical of some TH-camrs who are incredibly helpful (and entertaining)? And why do without offering solutions?
@@phidip2328 hey I must have read your s*** wrong sorry
BRING ON THE TRUTH! Thank you for clearing the air on the many lawn care nut youtubers
I wouldn't exactly call this "clearing the air".
Already looking forward to next week!
Same here!!
Brutal.
Fantastic!!!! That is 😂 great video
What are your credentials and background. Who are you and why are you hiding
What is Ron’s credentials? Allyns? Pete? Princess etc etc?
@@HungrySoutherner No Offense Sean, those guys are not protecting their identity and most of them will tell you what their background is. There is truth in some of this, but how do you now he or she isn't being paid or sponsored by a big company like Scott's or other giants in the business. I am curious who this is and why we should all the sudden believe everything they say is truth. Money and politics play a big part in all of this just like every industry in the world. The boys from The Grass Factor are upfront and transparent to all of us. What makes Turf Truth so special? Wouldn't you like to know their credentials and if they are affiliated with some big corporation who maybe losing market share in the US because of the people he is calling out?
@@Blubaugh5 Ron is a previous book reviewer. Allyn a previous SALESMAN for trugreen. Pete is in the lawn care business. Princess nobody knows or cares.
Anyone can read documented university research tests and trials. The problem with what is happening in the ytube lawn game is people are “believing” in a product only because of the good feeling it provides. Facts are what makes agronomy successful. Anyone can read online published material. Yes, TT has apparently credentials but it is based on facts not belief. So, what does someone needing credentials have to due with making this video if the links provided point to facts? Read people and get knowledge.
@@Blubaugh5 my opinion is you're missing the point. There is a concept called the "appeal to authority fallacy" , it's the undertone of 99% of the TH-cam videos being made about turf from people with zero background in soil science or agronomics. It's the "buy my stuff because I know what I'm talking about, or looking at my lawn" mentality. This is the opposite of that, the person behind TurfTruth isn't appealing to his or her authority, but relying on published scientific work and textbook agronomics. I would take that a step further in that I believe whoever this is wants "You" the viewer to step out of the easy mindset of just tell me what to do and buy, and instead do the hard thing of gaining the knowledge about the subject through academic debate and scientific principles. I think this person would welcome you engaging in that debate. If you have a published paper or statistically significant evidence, that isn't anecdotal, that speaks otherwise on this subject about soil resin testing or methodology they welcome the notion that their mind can be changed. Science changes everyday. Some university or research institute could very well be doing studies right now trying to understand the parameters and use cases that would apply to resin testing for turf grass such that it becomes a valuable tool, but someone has to do that work so that it transitions from marketing gimmick to a useful measuring tape. The fact that this person(s) doesn't want to engage in the public image war on social media, speaks more to the fact that they have to work harder to provide evidence in defense of their opinions. Its honorable to think that a person without expressed direct financial interest is trying to bring some fun and deeper education to a space that left unchecked leads to fewer products being available from poor application, more regulations and miss information about products and practices that provide little to know value because they lack tested evidence.
Just did a complete renovation on my lawn 100% KBG, I’m having some parts of my lawns soil turning black and the grass is growing very slow compared to other parts. Has anyone ever seen this?
If it's really been wet, it's possibly black algae. Black algae, a generic term, will smother grass. I see it mostly in clients lawns with irrigation that is used too much.
@@tobylou8 Thanks that makes sense as I’ve been watering quite a bit. I’ve backed off to every other day but have yet to see a decline in darkness.
This truth isn’t hurting my feelings at all. Darn it!
Good. Its weird if it does right?
I love the skeptical nature of this TH-cam channel. It seems like a lot of these guys are trying to sell us something
@David Gonzales Thank you!
Great information. Definitely worth the watch.
did the guy on the left come from the weed industry ?
Sounds like a soil test is pretty much worthless to the home owner? I guess this is why they say, spray and pray.
How in the world do you come to that conclusion from this video?
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make the horse drink.
just be sure to get a standardized soil test from your local extension service office or anywhere else that standardized soils tests are offered. soil testing is fundamental to turf management at home and on the course or athletic field
Just so you all understand, this is just a sarcastic remark. Don't get your panties all bunched up.
@@Gr33kG33k I was just being sarcastic. I know how this works. Thanks for the reply.
I have a feeling the guy with all his links in the description below is soon to get his feelings hurt…
yes pulleeeez LETS GO!!!
Keep it going
Is this a Matt Martin channel? I hope so 💪
If Matt had something to say I believe he would tell you directly. He's never bothered to hide behind anonymity before. I don't know why he would start now.
I was thinking myself that this was Matt Martin behind it, or perhaps John Perry. But then it looks like he criticized John Perry in another video.
Who has time for this?
I think Kris is smoking weed 😃