The Best One | Two Person - 4 Season Tent Hilleberg Vs Fjallraven
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- In this video I compare three of my favourite tents for one person for four season use - Two of them are classified as two person tents ha ha. I recently have raved about the Fjallraven Abisko Lite 2 tunnel tent. Here it is up against my two favourite Hillebergs (Akto and Nammatj 2) - I own them all so I can share my honest view after thorough testing - Has the Fjallraven Abisko Lite 2 got any sort of chance? I hope that you enjoy this content. Its a detailed watch -
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The amount of detail you go into is really great, thanks for the effort you put into these videos.
Hi Daniel, thank you for your positive feedback... I missed some detail here actually but then the video just gets too long and probably less views. One such detail now that you mention it is the fly zipper lock. Fjallraven use and auto lock zip to stop it opening in high winds. Cant get it to work so I have to peg it... Hilleberg have a more simple system that works 100 percent where a toggle goes through the slider and it just cant come un done... There you are, something extra ... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
Great seeing actual field use as reference. Thanks for making the effort!
Hey thank you.. yes you have got to test and demonstrate properly from field test experience... Thank you once again for the comment. Tom
Great honest video, thank you for taking the time and effort of making this video.
Hey thank you for the comment.... best wishes Tom
Great perspective on those Tents, Tom. Much appreciated!
Hi Joshua, thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. I really appreciate it. Hopefully you have found the video helpful as I know you have a few Hillebergs.... ATB Tom
Much appreciated mate, thanks for the help 😊👌🇬🇧
Hey Stephen, you are welcome and its great to hear that the video was helpful... Best wishes Tom
Well that was a surprise 🤓 I thought there might have been 2 Hilleberg tents hitting eBay soon! Great to see them all lined up like that. It’s clear they’ve all been subjected to plenty of challenging weather which is valuable for anyone looking at any of these tents. Nicely done Tom 👍
Hi Miriam thank you for watching this one and great to surprise you ha ha... The Fjallraven is now gone. Yes gone with the wind ha ha... A friend has bought it, but I am still going to contact Fjallraven just to hear their thoughts. ATB Tom
What an incredible video. It's been a pleasure watching it. I've learnt so much more about tents. Very informative. I've subscribed and rang that bell. Keep them coming lad. And well done.
Welcome aboard! Daniel James, really appreciate your comments and feedback.. Great to hear that you picked up a lot of information from this video.. I do have many others like it so that should keep you interested for a while.. I really believe in also getting out and testing the gear so many field testing too.. Hey All the very best and great to hear from you.. Tom
Another fantastic video Tom,thanks for all the hard work and time you put in 👍👍
Hi Ian, great to hear your feedback on my video. I spent a fair bit of time using these tents in various locations and conditions to gather my thoughts. If I would have done it all too quickly then I would have missed this very important point on the Abisko... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
I always enjoy your thoughts on tents! I’m admittedly a Fjallraven fanboy. Packs, jackets, trousers, sweaters, etc. I just love and trust their gear. But when it comes to tents. I have three Hillebergs and they are just the tents I don’t need to worry about. Especially when the conditions are less than ideal! They are just so incredibly durable. I do love the look of the Abisko though. Anyways, all great tents and enjoyed hearing you talk about them! All the best 👍
Hi Going Solo, great to hear from you again and your many comments on my videos are much appreciated. I tried Fjallraven trousers once but they were not for me but I still gave this tent a chance and apart from its lack of durability it was fantastic.... Maybe I have been unlucky but my gut feeling says not.... Hilleberg and a few other brands say 30d fabric is the minimum for 4 season use on the flysheet and after this I definitely agree. I tested a MSR tent with a 20 d fly and it had taken a fair bit of damage too... The Abisko has some amazing thought put into it and really wind stable and fab ventilation too... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
Glad you rate the Acto! I bought the Acto during forced lock down and not used it yet
Tom, this is a top class, well researched review. You have become the benchmark for testing tents. I really enjoyed the detail in this film, and for anyone considering a one person tent this would be a great reference. I really like the look if the Nammatj 2. I maybe should have gone down this route instead of the Soulo, as I’ve discovered that a pure one man tent in the winter is a tough squeeze.
Hi Phil, I will sell you my Nammatj ha ha... So many pro s and cons when you are trying to get a perfect one person tent.. I might even be moving towards a Jannu.. Hey I really appreciate your comments and support.. Tom
I agree, sometimes a bit of luxury is worth the weight when you are in the tent for a longer time in winter.
Tom, your channel may be small, but for me it's the best when it comes to serious tent reviews.👍
Hey, thank you so much for your positive comments... Another review up tonight with a proper field test.... ATB Tom
Excellent review Tom, detailed and balanced. Clive.
Thank you kindly Clive for the positive feedback taking the time to comment. I make a big effort to be as fair as possible.. ATB and thank you for watching and your comment. Tom
Hi,
I watching this from inside one of my tents.... Another brilliant presentation. Thank you. 🙂
Hey great to hear.. I have answered a few comments from my tent too ha ha. I hope that you had a fantastic camp and its not long to your next one... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
Great video! I bought the Hilleberg Akto a few month ago and tried it for the first time last weekend. Rain, 1 degree celsius, 100% humidity, and it did great. Really enjoy the combo of light weight, sturdy and strong fabric, and the vestibule. Very happy :)
Hey Charles, my Akto has survived me selling many tents... It's a keeper for me. Had so many great nights in it.. You would like one of my videos where I take out a Durston X Mid but bring my Akto for back up.... ATB and great to hear you are happy with the Akto... Tom
I bought the akto for the durability and the vestibule which is really useable especially for cooking. Just unclip the inner at the top until you are ready for bed, and you have much improved headroom. I feel totally secure in this tent in the hills.
Hi Tom, I bought a second hand trango 2 many years ago based on your review and loved it until it met its demise in a Scottish storm.
I now have the Akto, a trailstar and a doumid, one of the big factors for me is site selection, I find I can sneak my tents in small spots, so I would keep the Akto.
Great review as always.
Hey Lee, great to hear of your tent journey..My Trango 2 served me well but just too heavy for me now...Yeah definitely keeping the Akto and will be using it on my next camp and really looking forward to that..I am sure I will look at another trekking pole tent as I have loved my Lanshan 2 pro.... ATB Tom
Great review Tom! Thanks for all the effort you put into these videos. I think I am sold on the Nammaj. I’d like the extra room and might take my daughter with me sometime. I will still be carrying all the extra weight though!
Hey Paul I hope that you are well and great to hear from you. Thank you very much for your positive comments and you continued support. I really appreciate it. If I was only keeping one of these tents it would definitely be the Nammatj... The space, strength and long term durability is easily worth it.. I hope that you get out camping with her soon... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
great job Tom
Hey Kevin I hope that you are well and thank you so very much for the help, its really appreciated... ATB Tom
Very interesting, insightful and helpful to see an hear your views. Had been curious about Fjallraven having watched an extreme test with Bushman an Blue, am pleased your leaned towards Hilleberg in the end, as I invested in the Nammatj 3GT.
Cheers Tom .
Richard
Hi Richard, great to hear you thoughts as a Nammatj owner. The 3 GT is some tent for sure. I have watched most of Bushman and Blues Videos and it would be interesting to see if his tents have taken any damage. I know one of them has a hole in the pole sleeve where a broken pole pushed through it. To be fair this can happen in any tent... ATB Tom
Great honest evaluation of these tents, Tom. Seems like the Fjallraven has some innovative features but the bean counters may have been involved with the choice of thinner less durable fabrics. Thanks for your dedication to this channel, always great content.
Hi Denis, thank you for watching and your comment. Great to hear that you enjoyed the content. Yes light weight sells tents and for a lot of users this works fine but hasn't worked for my particular needs. It has kind of helped me in a way as I was tortured between the weight saving and space increase but loved the fabrics of the Hilleberg's. So now its all sorted for me, I have gave Fjallraven a try and now will let it go... ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I definitely prefer the Hillebergs too. 👍🏽
Hi Tom. Thanks for another informative video. I have had an Abisko 2 Lite for a fair old while and haven't had the issue you describe. For heavier use, I add the 70 denier 10,000 HH Abisko 2 footprint and a second pole set. This takes the total weight of that setup to 2.7 kg... still lighter and less expensive than the Hilleberg. Having used both makes, I find Fjallraven design features and attention to detail to be second to none and again, have no issues to report quality and durability- wise. Just my two pennies-worth of course. Thanks again Tom 👍
The quality is still slightly lesser than Hilleberg for my money. Not by much, admittedly. But they’re just that small notch below. Good tents, though.
@The Knowlodge We'll have to agree to disagree on that 😊
Hi, thank you for sharing your experience of the Abisko Lite 2. I am honestly glad that it is a positive one. I am sure the tent is super stable when double polled and still very light. I must admit that I love the Fjallraven attention to detail and at this sort of money attention to detail is important. For me thought the durability has been an issue so I have actually contacted Fjallreven to hear their response... ATB and thank you once again for your thoughts and experience. Tom
Thanks, Tom. Good attention to detail as always, and very interesting.
If I was to have only one solo four season tent, it would be Hilleberg Soulo: good wind and weather resistance, good livability, not too heavy.
Akto is a good four season tent, but it does not handle snow loading well: snow piles up on the roof, making it even more cramped inside. That said, my trips the three last weeks here in snowy Oslo have all been with Akto, mainly to keep pack weight down. PS: if you undo the three topmost toggles to the inner tent, you can reach the zippers to the end vents from inside.
I loved my green Nammatj 2 back in the days, but after around 300 nights of wear and tear, I pensioned it a few years ago, in favor of smaller red tents.
Cheers from Norway
Hey great to hear from you and awesome to hear of your tent experience especially with the conditions that you would get in Norway... It's great to have comments from users of the tents under review in my video. Yes the Soulo is a fab tent and certainly will handle snow loads very well and much better than the flat roof profile of the Akto. Thank you for the venting tip and I will try it on my next camp... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
Excellent, honest review as always. Ultra light tents definitely have their benefits but as you pointed out the trade off seems to be their durability. They are really nice to have when wanting to go ultra light but not for every day use. The Hillebergs seem to have a good compromise between weight performance and durability.
Hi John, thank you for watching and your comment. After this experience for me I am now not sitting on the fence any more or tortured and torn between the two. In one of my previous reviews of my Hilleberg Soulo I actually said that if you go lighter fabrics then you sacrifice durability. I should have stuck to that but I am willing to try different things and give other brands a chance. ATB and hope to get out with you soon in the Akto or Nammatj. Tom
Great vid, I love the Nammatj 2! For my lightweight reasonable weather tent, I went much lighter and cheaper with a Lanshan pro. If I was feeling flush, a more expensive hiking pole tent would be on the cards. It’s a tough slot to fill, light and strong!
Same setup here
Hi Guys, great to hear of your set ups.... I also have the Lanshan Pro the 2 version... I also would like a nice DCF trekking pole tent at some point if I can find the right one... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
Top Man Tom, Thanks for the footage and your knowledge, Best regards Phil
Hey Phil thank you for the comment and great to hear that the video was useful... best wishes Tom
Hi Phil, thank you for the feedback.. great that the video was of value... best wishes Tom
Tom that Fjallraven tent reminds me of my Hilleberg Anjan 3. Another classic tent review!
Hi Kevin, great to hear that you are enjoying my content... Yes the Anjan and Abisko are so very alike... ATB Tom
great comparison video. Thank you.
My number 1 is 100% the Nammatj than 2nd Abisko and the tent I would definitely sell is the akto.
i Am now trying out the fjallraven keb endurance, great tent and lots of space and strong 40 D but also heavy.
Hi Raymond, great to hear your thoughts... That was the plan until I got some fabric damage. I have contacted Fjallraven to hear their response which I will post in the description... The Web endurance range is very nice and I would definitely love to get my hands on one... ATB Tom
Had my Akto now for a few years now, no problems, love it
Hi, I can understand that.... I will be keeping mine and just adapt to the smaller space inside... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
Really liked the review and the effort put in. I have always put the Vestibule of Hilleberg Nammatj 3 GT and Hilleberg Nallo 2 adding Guyline to vent hood (pain in way door opens would prefer Abisko 2 design) I find this way the profile is more blunt and takes wind better than the foot end also quieter. The Nallo 2 also the roof does not get pushed down, will work for Fjallraven Abisko Lite 2.
Keep up the Tent testing as very interesting to see various models wind performance.
Hi Finse, not heard from you for a while and I hope that you are well so great to hear your thoughts here.. I have gone vestibule into the wind on the Nammatj a couple of times and it works well. Would probably work in the Abisko too as it has a 9.6mmm pole at the front... ATB and really good to hear from you again... Tom
Very good comparison between relevant tents... I am still is chok to see how well the Fjellraven tent preformed in the very strong wind... it is one kilo lighter and that is a lot if you are hiking alone - keep those great videos coming 🏕
Hey Hans.... come on I am waiting on your next video...... Thank you for watching and your feedback here... Yes this tent is fantastic in the wind. Fjallraven have really thought it through regarding wind stability. A low profile back end and then a thicker 9.6mm pole at the front helps it stand up as well as the Hilleberg Nammatj in up to 50mph winds no problem... ATB Tom
Great review. I have the fjallraven abisko lite 2 and I am more than happy with it. To me my way of Wildcamping is if the wind forecast is over 40 mph I stay at home. I looked at the hillebergs but the price and weight were the reasons I went with the fjallraven. Yes you expect lighter materials and logically they are not as strong. But agreed for your style of camps in heavy winds you required the assurance from your tent. Happy with my tent though at £430 last year it’s now selling at £700. Should have bought three lol😂
Hi great to hear of your experience with the Abisko. I got mine for 430 two months back so a bargain at that... Its a great tent but we get blasted by constant wind here In Northern Ireland so its tough on tents for sure.. ATB Tom
Thanks Tom for another informative video. The durability of the fjallraven was, like you said in a previous video,something you were not sure of,and it was interesting to see the wear on the materials after such a short time. Curious to hear what fjallraven have to say about it and their customer service compared to hilleberg.
Hey Joe, how are you and great to hear form you again... Yes the email has been sent to Fjallraven so I will share the response here in the description or maybe make another short video.. For me though this is not the tent and my thoughts on durability have come true. Still I will give the company a chance to respond...ATB Tom
Great video as ever Tom.
Personally speaking, my ‘tent journey’ is not dissimilar to yours….in the sense that, I resisted buying Hillebergs for a long time….for a number of reasons. Cost. (Less so) the weight. The fact that everyone was telling me to get one. (My obstinate nature at play there). 😂
But ultimately, after trying many different tent brands, I eventually came back to The Hille’s.
They just stand the test of time, in every way. Strength, durability, comfort and quality….they tick every box, and then some.
I think it’s also worth mentioning that it’s not just the denier of the fabric, but the way it’s ‘treated’.
Hilleberg triple silicone treat their fabrics, which makes them extremely resistant to tearing, way above what the denier count would seem to allow for.
That’s also a big factor.
So in the end, I gave up and accepted the inevitable. 😂
Hi Dom great to hear from you and thank you for your feedback... Really interesting to hear your tent journey and absolutely the same as mine. I resisted so long too due to the price. Now I have owned 6 and tested 12.... Not a single fault or stitch out of place or damage on any... I have subjected all of mine to over 50mph winds as I get that here even in August and they have performed outstandingly well. Thats why I use them. Not just because if the name but because they have protected me in harsh conditions again and again and took no damage. The durability is amazing. So now I have an email alert in with my friends at Tentes 4 Saisons for another one and the Fjallraven is sold and just not the tent for me... Was open enough to try and now that's that itch scratched.
Yes regarding the silicone treatment I didn't mention it as Fjalraven also treat this fabric with multiple layers of silicone on both sides so then was far as I am aware its more down to the denier thing... ATB and great to have you watching and commenting on my Vids as I know you have a serious number and experience with quality tents... Tom
Interesting indeed !!!!
What more to say
Akto space good as far as length goes !!!
Hi Mountain Hopper great to hear form you once again... Yes I think the Akto is awesome length wise as the ends slope away from you for some height and this is very deceptive... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
Great video.
hey thank you... Tom
Love the trousers . The one on the right is like mine . .
It's a hoolie 2 , I love it , hate the colour , but I still love the two man .
Camping in high wind is an interesting hobby .
Hi thank you for the comments.. The Hoolie tent is a nice one. I really love tunnel tents... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
Nice review! After watching this vid I’ll stick with my VE-25 and my Ferrino snowbound high lab …..cheers Tom !!
Hey thank you for sharing your thoughts 💭.. Yes the Ve25s are nice and I have owned 3.. Looked at that Italian brand many times so great to hear your feedback.. Best wishes Tom
Great review. I have many tents - from Dyneema fabrics to large Hillebergs. A trend with me, and maybe it's because I started backpacking in high school in the late-1980's, is that I tend to prefer heavier hiking boots, tents, and other items such as white gas stoves instead of butane. I should also mention that my favorite seasons are all but summer. At the end of the day, when actually going somewhere, I choose heavier products overall and I am more comfortable with them physically and psychologically. Hopefully I can continue to carry everything as I go into my 40's and beyond.
Hi , thank you for your comments and sorry for taking so long to get back to you as I find another comment from yourself so great to hear your experience and thoughts. I totally agree regarding heavier materials. That's why Bought the Nammatj 2 here.. I checked not the other day after 7 nights or so hard use and there is not even a mark on it.... Tom
Completely agree. Durability and trustworthiness is of prime importance on trips, where there are no backups.
Did an 11 day hike with my son across the Arctic tundra in Greenland, completely self-sustained and off-trail.
Our bags were heavy, but it was worth it. No obstacle stopped us, as our kit held up and endured. And; I had peace of mind the whole trip.
That’s a real shame, Tom, but then 20D textile can only endure so much. Nice overview of all three tents 😊👍🐶
Hi Shamus, great once again to hear from you. You have put it very well and that's the crux of the matter... I always use 40d dry bags and even they pick up small holes over time. 20D is just not for me and my type of 4 season use. A short time ago I caught the fabric on my Nammatj inner in the zip. I mean it was buried. Spent 10 mins pulling it out and not only was the fabric not holed there wasn't even a mark on it... If that had been 15d fabric then I know it would have been torn... Apart from all of this I really look forward to your next video when you are ready to film it. ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
Great review! I’d love to see you review a Kuiu Storm Star.
Hi Rick, yeah the storm star is an interesting tent.... Maybe someone will offer to lend me one at some point and I would definitely be up for reviewing it.... ATB and thank you for watching and your comment. Tom
Hi Tom. A really good informative fair review. I'm much as yourself self funded when it comes to most of my equipment. I font do a lot of backpacking but some along. I mainly motorcycle camp in my RTW travels. Given that ypu are having to make a hard but informed experienced decision. For me I like a free standing tent so I differ in my needs. When traveling and you get up against the weather you may not have much choice of the camping conditions before you. I've chosen a couple of Hillebergs for my travel. A Staika and a Soulo, which won't arrive until April. I like a little extra space for my gear. I worked fifty years in the coal mines in low 36 to 45 inch coal on my hands and knees. I hate confinement. The sloping walls are confining and lend to being too close to an outside wall. That limits me to the choices I have. You however backpack and have found some really good equipment in your Hillebergs. The materials and workpersonship is far ahead of others. They are an investment much as z mortgage on a home but they perform very well in extreme environments. I've considered a Nallo 3 for backpacking someday. I do like the openness of the main doorway. I like the ability to view the world unrestricted. Hey safe travels. Enjoyed your vid. I know they take a fair amount of effort and work to do and produce. Cheers mate. Get out there
Hey Sam, great to hear from you again and very interesting to hear your background in tents and work history... The Staika and Soulo will serve you very well. The Soulo is small but very strong and the Staika is very versatile. The Hilleberg tents are great and a real investment. I always say buy one and if it's not for you then sell it on and you might even make money. Now I have owned 6 Hillebergs and tested 12 in total and not a single fault or sign of damage on any. I sent an email to Fjallraven today so it will be interesting to hear their response.. Thank you for the positive feedback and the very best of luck with your new Hillebergs... ATB Tom
Great honest summary! I agree - if you really want peace of mind in bad conditions found at higher altitudes, for one person, it has to be the Akto. The clincher for me was the large vestibule, you really can cook in it safely when it rains heavily. At lower levels in not so remote areas, almost any tent will do the job, Akto could be overkill, but I can only afford one tent.
Hi Steve, thank you for sharing your thoughts.... The Akto is such a great little tent and mine has survived many tent sales and remained a keeper for me... . That vestibule is awesome... I hope you are getting out on many camps... ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Thanks Tom, I am trying a couple of things on my akto to increase headroom, first I disconnect the front part of the inner roof, or even most of it. Second I have cut 2 polystyrene cubes 100mm sides and put these under the poles, just ease the guys and then take them out at bedtime or if the wind gets up. I was considering a swap with an abisko lite 2 for more space, but peace of mind that comes with way stronger fabrics means I too am keeping it. (I will add a nammatj in the future, as my old bones are getting less flexible ;)
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Hi Joe, thank you for watching this and some of my other videos.. best wishes Tom
What I'd love to see you test and review is the Terra Nova Southern Cross 1 vs. the Soulo. I am thinking - almost as robust (probably robust enough for most weather) yet a lot lighter to carry. Your reviews are always so honest, informative, helpful yet also entertaining.
Sourcing tents can be tricky and I am not sure they make this model any more as it's reduced in their website.. For this and the reasons in my previous reply it's not on the top of my list as the audience may be smaller.. best wishes again Tom
Hi Tom, appreciate your reviews. I’m a bit obsessed with tents and find myself only drawn to Hillebergs anymore and appreciate your in-depth content. I have tried many of there tunnel tents and I am wondering in this review if the fjallraven is more of a competitor to the Nallo? Also, do you think the Enan with double poles a potentially better option than the Akto? Lastly, what do you think the max wind of a double poled and guyed Enan vs Akto would be? I own both of these tents and have gifted the Akto to my youngest son as he is now 6’4” and it’s the only tent I have that he fits in. I now own an Enan and Niak and am trying to decide if I should sell one for a 4th season option? I haven’t used the Enan it was orinionally for my youngest son but he likes the Akto more. I have a bit of a hard time getting in and out of it because I have upper back issues. I bought a used Anjan 2 for my oldest son and there isn’t any wind it can’t handle but it does get blown dirt into the tent interior just as the Niak does. I do enjoy my Niak but it has wind limits I would say in the 40-50mph range. I’m thinking of doubling up poles for it because I can get in and out easily. I was thinking also of fashioning a solid half door to block dirt and spin drift snow. I have had a Staika and loved it but it was for motorcycle camping and I sold it because we stopped riding and it’s too heavy to carry on my back for mostly solo plus dog use. I’m looking for my best option for a shoulder to early winter tent that will be mainly for me backpacking plus occasionally my 75lb German Shepherd and in an emergency my wife. She has health issues and won’t be backpacking long distance and usually sleeps in her hammock year round if there’s trees. We’re originally from Michigan but now live in northern Colorado and wind gusts up to 70 are a normal occurance, usually in the middle of the night and out of nowhere. In these conditions my Niak survived but it wasn’t fun. I had a corner peg and a guy line peg pull out. The Akto flapped around like a loose sail and my Staika didn’t know it was windy yet. I’m wanting a freestanding if possible because pitching into rocky ground is a problem more often than not where we live. I’m skeptical that I will fit in a soulo being 6’2” 220lbs and if I do I know I won’t get my dog in there with me. I’m curious about the Unna and really liked your review of it but I did note your opinion of its wind limits. I’m sorry for the length here. I have been pouring over TH-cam and have pretty much found your reviews spot on and just hoped to get your help. Take care.
@@Oldrush You got to understand all tents have pros and cons.. Double polling isn't the be all and end all. It adds strength in one area but transfers stress to another. For high winds in excess of 40mph you should have a red label Hilleberg.. For durability with a dog consider black label... While you want freestanding you gotta compromise somewhere... Jannu, Kaitum, or Allak... best wishes Tom
Firstly, again, another incredible review. 👍 Best on TH-cam. My findings having owned both the Abisko 2 and Nammatj are very similar to your own. I was mega impressed with the way the Abisko coped with high wind, but always questioned the longevity. Also, I really didn’t like the rear of the bathtub floor and how flat it was unless the ground was completely level. The vents also allowed rain to blow in a bit more easily than the Nammatj as they are not as deep. On one occasion my Abisko let loads of water in over the rear bath tub. Granted, it was a poor pitch due to the uneven ground, but the Nammatj with its sturdier bath tub would have been fine. I did try the Abisko 1 for quite a while but found the 20d unsuitable for such a large amount of unsupported fabric. It was very hard to get taught. I regret massively selling my Nammatj but am currently testing a Soulo. All in all, my honest opinion is that the Fjallraven is an incredible tent, but, in a storm or for sustained use I’d choose a Hilleberg. ATB
Hey Jamie, its difficult isn't it.. All pros and cons.. I have had the Soulo too in my search.. I agree totally with you and I had a previous Nammaty sold it and then after many years realised it was a great balance of everything and bought this one.. The Abisko here has lots of promise and for a few thought camps it delivered. I always cringed though at the 20d fabric as stress finds the weakest part and that is what happened here.. I have contacted Fjallraven to hear their thoughts but its Hilleberg for me for my type of camping... Sorry to take so long to get back to you but I have had a mountain of comments to get through.... I will be very interested to hear your thoughts on the Soulo... ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Don’t worry about the length of time to reply. I just appreciate you reply at all as a lot of TH-camrs don’t even bother👍. I’ll give the Soulo a good go and see how it fares. I’m out in it this weekend but the weather doesn’t look to testing. Either way, Hilleberg are definitely at the top in my opinion. That 20d fabric is a real sticking point with the Abisko series of tents.
Love the video! I would try to compare the Keb Endurance in this lineup. The materials are stronger! However, the Lite series cuts down on the materials to save weight. I use the Abisko Lite 3 and I've had it in CRAZY winds in Northern Sweden and it held up fine. However, if weight isn't an issue, I would chose the H Terra, Fjällräven Keb Dome, or H Stika. The Namj is great too! :)
Hi, thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.... I wanted this video to be on the tents that I owned and had multiple camps with that I could discuss here... I am aware the Keb Endurance range and I may review in the future if someone will lend me one to test and review. The Tarra and Staika I have reviewed before and are great tents.... Ince again thank you for your comments and thoughts... Tom
Hi Tom. Good to see that you're doing well. I've had the experience of lighter tents leaving me in the lurch before. I'd rather sleep soundly in a good tent, and adequate sleeping system, while taking the initial knock on weight (1st) and cost (2nd- & no, me no earn them £).
'Nuff said.
ps. Good food, and a toddy don't hurt either! ATB, David.
Hi David, great other from you again. Yeah... lighter tents are just not for the conditions that I end up camping in so I have an agreed sale on the Fjallraven and back to Hilleberg. I never really left Hilleberg as I kept both their tents.... ATB Tom
I am from Sweden so of course I'm familiar with our Fjällräven brand, but didn't know that Hilleberg was from here as well. Nice to hear that they've both got a good reputation
Hey thank you for the comment and watching the video.... Yes Sweden does very well brand wise for the outdoors with others such as Haglofs too.... best wishes Tom
I use and love the Fjallraven Abisko Lite 1. I accept the space is not equal to the Fjallraven Abisko Lite 2, but we have to make sacrifices when wild camping. Will I ever change it? Possibly to the Fjallraven Abisko Lite 2. At 60 years of age and doing the odd winter wild camp, weight is a consideration (yes I am getting weaker lol), and we all know we have to carry more weight in Winter to keep warm. Great review, keep em coming. Liked and Subscribed
Hey thank you for your comment and great to have you on board with the channel... Like you I am getting to that age where I need to keep the weight down and like the space. This is where the Abisko Lite 2 really shines. I did have problem with the fabric here though and Fjallraven just offered me a repair kit or send it to a third party for repair.. ATB Tom
Hi Tom. Very interesting comparison video and one I’ve been looking fwd to. In practical terms the abisko is a 1.5 person tent. So the extra 1kg weight penalty in the genuine 2 person nammatj isn’t like for like setting aside fabric weights etc. I think you have summed up the durability comparison perfectly by the use of percentages on the fabric deniers. Personally I’d never want lower denier than 70 on the groundsheet and 30 on the fly on a true 4 season tent. Lighter weight fabrics will give lighter weight tents, but the pay off is reduced fabric strength and durability - not something I’d want to risk in adverse conditions. Bye bye abisko. Hello Nallo 2 🤣
Hey Great to hear your thoughts here... Yeah you are right about the 1.5 size and fabric combinations... There are more than a few manufacturers who agree on the fabric deniers for true 4 season use.. Me too for sure so its back to Hilleberg and a Nallo will be the first consideration... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
Hi Tom. As always an amazing video and excellent review. I own the Akto and a Nallo. What is your take on the Nallo? Because I was wondering if I would get a lighter Anjan instead. My camping is usually in not so windy weather. But durability is important for me.
Hi how are you doing? Great question. I have an email alert out on a Nallo 2.. Great compromise of everything. If durability is important then the Nallo is the way forward. 20D fabrics are just not as durable as 3OD... I actually would however prefer this Fjallraven to the Anna unless the extra height and interior space are important... I hope this helps... ATB Tom
Cheers Tom, another good review. I think it proves my point you need quality material and unfortunately, the Abisco Light 2 doesn't match the Hilleberge. It's got some cracking features and loads of space but that stress mark on the fly puts me right off this tent. I have the Akto and it does the job for me, just enough space without any extra. I would be interested to hear what Fjallraven have to say?
Hey Marty you are watching my videos once again and I really hope that you enjoyed this one... Yeah I feel that you are spot on here and the thin fabrics are never going to be as durable. I sat in my Akto the other night and was really wowed by the fabric. Particularly the inner which is twice the thickness of the Abisko... I am now put off the Abisko for sure but that's a good thing as I got caught up in the lightweight and space assets of this tent... ATB Tom
Great content and comparisons. The only 1-person specification-wise tent is AKTO. That said... often the more optimal 1-person tents are 'realistically' 2-person specifications (1+ spec) into something like the Nammatj 2. All things and features considered... the main reason I would not pull trigger on the Nammatj 2 is that it lacks two-doors & two vestibules. I would not select the Fjallraven at all unless it was had for a significantly discounted price. For the longer duration, true 4-season demands... AKTO is just a little too small, but it ticks nearly all the rest of the boxes.
Hi I got the Abisko very highly discounted so that's why I decided to give it a chance... This is a difficult comparison but they are all tents that I have owned and used for the same purpose.. Significant pros and cons with them all and its interesting to compare them realistically as one person tents as most people should be able to manage a 3kg tent... ATB and thank you for your thoughts..Tom
Interesting film and will also be interested to see others views on the new MSR Tindheim 2 tunnel tent just out on the market.
Hey thank you for watching and taking the time to comment as a content creator yourself on TH-cam. Yes looks like a fair bit of interest in the MSR tent and I think it will do well with the brand behind it using a proven design. The less expensive fabrics and poles used will serve many very well I am sure.... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
What a great review Tom, I have been anticipating this one. A real shame about the Abisko fault, will you be contacting Fjallraven about it? as I sure would be. At the very least your experiance would test their level of customer service and you could do a follow up video. I am no expert but as you said the fault is at a stress point and clearly not user damage. Credit to you for not calling the Abisko, after just three high winds camps. However as you put it, comparing the fabrics percentage wise I would have expect you to choose as you did for your usage.
Happy camping Tom, keep up this great channel.
Hi Michael, thank you for your thoughts here. Yes the email is sent to Fjallraven and I will either make a follow up video or post the reply in the description of this one. Personally I have decided to sell the Abisko as already had doubts regarding the thin fabric and durability. No matter what any one says 20d fabric is not as durable as 30 or 40d. I hoped that the mix of fabrics on the Fjallraven would have been a compromise but for me it didn't work... ATB and thank you for your positive feedback on the channel... Tom
Another reference piece Tom.
Hi Dave, ATB and thank you for watching and your comment. I appreciate your positive feedback. I hope that you are well and it would be good to see you do another tent comparison. You see the way when you comment on my videos I give you a decent reply ha ha not just a Thanks Dave ha ha.... ATB Tom
@Tom Heaney Adventure oh no, that means I have to do some elaborate comment every time. How demanding, you're like my Irish tent mistress. Oooh, is that shiny tent peg just for me, come into my vestibule and I'll show you my massive headtorch. Seriously though, thanks for not noticing I had misspelt piece... edited now.
@@Fellmandave1 Just an elaborate one to me as a fellow content creator on you tube.. You see even though I am in the middle of getting back to my many detailed comments I still have time to get back to a numb nuts like you... Yeah I do have a better head lamp that you, its got more muscle, and staying power and bits to fiddle with...
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@Tom Heaney Adventure you will definitely need more neck muscles to hold that 19 up! Doing the drink test, you'll just gush it all over your face, "I'm sorry , it's due to my overdeveloped neck extensors, due carry around a 'member' euphemism on my head"!
I have a Nammatj 2 now for over 26 years and I use it mainly for bike touring, it is probably still one of the best tents around. I picked this one because of the poor performance of the ones I used before. What is shocking for me is the price hike it's now way more than double what I spent for (most expensive piece of gear I ever bought) and mine was still made in Sweden.
Hey its great to hear of the length of time you have had this tent... I have had this one out on many occasions in serious wind but no sign of any wear and tear at all.. These tents are super durable and have decent space for two.. Price wise thought definitely very expensive but they doo hold their value very well... best wishes Tom
great job,,, I do love my nammatj2 for solo and keron4gt for 2 plus dog. IF high winds I will double pole both.
Hey that's a nice combination of tents.... Always fancied a Keron...Double polling makes a massive difference... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 yea,,, the karon4gt is really nice with so much room for 2. Plus I can setup 2 BA mica basin camp chairs in vestibule and my head will not touch top of tent... I'm 6'2
@@smokehousehammock4481 what More could you want... 😁😁
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Thank you very much... Best wishes Tom
Great review, Tom, thanks. Have you found with the Akto that it pushes down on your face when lying down in high winds? I wondered if this was why they changed to a single pole at each end for the Enan.
Hi Henry, no as I will have my feet at the windward end if that makes sense ... BUT yes there is definitely some deformation of the inner in high winds.. While the Enan has a single but longer pole it creates more height at the ends but the single pole in the middle I dont think is as stable as the two and that's why the design of the Akto has been kept the same as a four season tent.... All The Very Best... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 makes sense, thanks!
Other than availability of parts here in the United States, the one key difference that made me buy the Hilleberg Nammatj over the Fjallraven Abisko Lite was that it uses identical poles for the front and rear. I carry one extra set of poles, and therefore I can use that to replace either the front or rear poles or double pole either the front or the rear (depends on wind direction).
Hi, thank you for your comments... For me too I agree.. My Akto pole is the same length as the Nammatj 2 so I bring it when I expect it to be over 50MPH winds and double pole the wind ward end. Although the shorter pole definitely reduces weight and gives the tent a better aerodynamic profile it definitely reduces a lot of internal volume and makes things more complicated if you want to double pole. If double polling then you really need the fabrics to be super strong and while its feature on the Abisko Lite 2 here if done regularly it will sacrifice the durability of the tent long term IMO... ATB Tom
I’m on my second Akto in what must be around 35 years tho I haven’t used it every year but they have does some big trips over the years.
I also had the mark 1 two person Nallow which was actually a bit of a disappointment. Back in the 80s Hillberg we’re relatively affordable.
Hi David thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts of your Akto and Nallo... I am out in the Akto right now enjoying the wind and rain... ATB and happy camping. Great to hear you have been doing it so long... Tom
Brilliant detail as always Tom. Your comparisons really do help any would be buyer. I am so glad Hilleberg is now back on top 😉 So what's going to be your next video now we have established the best tent?
Hey great to hear from you again and supporting me on so many of my videos.... yes I am afraid Hilleberg was down but not quite out and came fighting back for the win... I have owned 6 Hilleberg tents and reviewed 4 more and not a single fault in any after harsh use and testing. Next video will be on my Big Agnes Rapide Sl sleeping mat... I have tried many mats and this is exactly what I have been looking for.... ATB ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
Great, I will look forward to the sleep mat review as I need a new mat. I was considering the Thermarest X therm but cannot decide?
ahh thats a shame to see I guess you cant have it all :(. great video as usual mate 😎
Hi Nathan, thank you for watching and your comment. Yes I always say 'Every Form Of Refuge Has Its Price'.... It is a shame though as I was really enjoying the light weight and extra space.... ATB Tom
Tom, great comparison - I have a few questions...
1) Given the issues you had with the Fjallraven and the fact you've now let it go - would you still recommend it as an all around 4 season tent for this sort of "1.5 man" sizing
2) Have you tried the Wild Country Helm Compact 2? Quite a few folk describe it as offering that sort of 80:20 performance:price of the Hilleberg Akto/Soulo and given that it does look cracking. I'm in Scotland and frankly I've never had the confidence to do a summit or near summit camp so I'm wondering if this could meet the bill or if I'll have to go for the big guns?
Cheers!
Hi Jonathan thank you for your questions.. The Abisko Lite 2 here is a decent 4 Season tent offering strong wind performance light weight and very spacious for 1. I definitely subjected it to high winds and it did very well.. I feel though that being so light weight for its strength it suffers a bit durability wise from my experience.. I am very familiar with this type of tent and very careful too but still mine got damaged.. Accidental damage happens very easily to this type of tent.. It is however a premium well featured tent.. The Wild Country Helm Compact is more of a budget friendly tent as there is a massive difference in price here. It may be strong enough for your usage demands and I suspect definitely more durable due to heavier more robust fabric selection.. It's the safe bet here unless you want to go to the middle ground for something like the Terra Nova Northern Lite 2 I think.. It still uses very light fabric to keep the weight down so it's a tough one. I would expect however Terra Nova customer service to be better and if it gets damaged Terra Nova themselves could repair it not like Fjallraven where they will send you to a third party or suggest you do it yourself.. I hope that this was helpful.. All the very best and I would be interested to hear what you decide on.. Tom
I've had an Akto for nearly 20 years. I've always laid in the Akto with my feet at the other end from you,likewise sitting in the vestibule. I sleep on my side and seem to cook ,eat etc. In the 'Roman' position with wide access through the inner door. When I roll the fly door I use a short elastic guy from bottom corner of the door to a small stake peg keeping the roll out of the way. The metal zip pulls were replaced by yellow line loops years ago, no pulling problems.
I also sit and lie the same way as yourself. That’s the way it’s also shown on Hilleberg’s site
Hi Roger I only laid in the tent this way as I could not position the camera on the other side if that makes sense...So just for this review. I sleep on my side too and find decent length in the inner tent. I will try the extra peg thing for the door so thank you for sharing. I have never had any problems with cord zipper pulls on any of my other tents but thats just the reason Hilleberg give according to Outdoor Gear lab.... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
Hi Gary you taking to me or Roger??? I think Roger so we are all the same apart from when I need somewhere to place the camera... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
Excellent review and comparison! Very informative. Thank you!
I would like to point out one thing though.
When you compared the material of the Fjallraven Abisko to the Hilleberg Nammatj I feel it was a little bit unfair.
The Nammatj is a “black label” tent in the Hilleberg lineup. That is a top of the top. It should be compared to the Fjallraven Keb Endurance 2 in my opinion.
The Abisko Lite 2 would be a fairer comparison to the Hilleberg Nallo 2.
Hey that's a great comment and observation.. You are 100 percent right regarding the ideal world comparison between a Keb Endurance and the Nammatj.. My problem is that I can't just source the ideal line up of tents and have to work with what I can.. So all 3 of these tents were bought and paid for by myself and used and reviewed by me regarding their suitability for single person use...The Abisko here also uses 40d fabric like the Nammatj but just in theory where its needed, not all over the fly.. I have contacted Fjallraven regarding sponsorship of a tent for review but they won't reply...
I have extensively used all three of these tents so the intention was to demonstrate and explain the difference... Many people are torn between red and black label Hilleberg and Abisko and Keb Fjallraven s.. Once again thank you for the comment and feedback.. best wishes Tom
There's another option for tunnel tents readers may be interested in depending on their situation, the Nordisk Oppland. I went with a Nordisk Oppland 2, which has a very similar design to the two tunnel tents here. The reason I went for that was because it comes in a polyester version as well as silnylon. I wanted polyester firstly because it's cheaper and the difference in weight didn't matter to me since I was buying it to use at carry-in campsites at national parks, so I'd be carrying it up to 1 km or so rather than hiking long distances with it. Also, polyester stretches less when it gets wet so requires less adjusting in the rain, and I live in Australia and polyester lasts longer under high UV conditions so it will probably be more durable for me. I found mine on sale for about a quarter the regular price of a Nammatj and it's been perfect for my needs. I love the tunnel design, it's so easy to pitch solo and the big vestibule is fantastic in wet weather. The Oppland 2 has three poles so the vestibule is similar in size to the Nammatj 2 GT (which actually weighs more). It might not handle the type of snow load a Nammatj would but that's not a concern for me. I've had it out in high winds and it was rock solid.
Hi Jean, thank you for watching and your comment. It's great to hear other sensible recommendations with really sound rationale behind them. I have always had an eye on Nordisk tents and one of my mountain tents (American version of North Face Mountain 25)had polyester fabric and it was great. Never sagged when wet and the construction made it super strong. I think MSR have released a two person tunnel made of polyester so maybe it's going to have a comeback . Great to hear from you in Australia and sounds like you really know your tents.... ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 thanks for your reply! I'd be interested to see how the Nordisk polyester version stacks up against the new MSR tent. No doubt somebody will compare them at some point once there are more out there.
Agree. Hillebergs are just burlier. Fjallravens are wonderful for less demanding use. You have to keep the Nammatj. Keep one of the others for summer, depending on whether you want strength or comfort. The Abisko is a much nicer place to rest in. But the Akto can be taken anywhere. You could also sell them both and get the Abisko Lite 1, which packs down wonderfully small. It's a slightly smaller space than the Akto though, a little too small for me, I found.
Hi, great to hear your thoughts so thank you for sharing. Definitely keeping the Nammatj... I have contacted Fjallraven regarding the Abisko damage so it will be interesting to hear their response... ATB Tom
I thought it was going to be the Fjallraven that was going to stay for sure since you were so enamoured with it.
Hi... so did I for sure as I had it on a number of camps and it performed so well. This small damage is what has changed my opinion. Its only small but under stress it will get bigger and I shouldn't have to patch a very new tent... Thats just my thoughts. I dont want to be lying in the tent hoping that the fabric is ok in high winds.. Once the doubt is there it's hard to get rid of. I will contact Fjallraven to see what they say... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
Excellent reviews as ever from yourself for which helps people like me decide where best to spend their hard earned money to get a good return on value. I, personally I would get rid of the Fjallraven because when there is a big ? on the durability of it means at the back of your mind it could fail in a major way if a long rip of material occurs, as that would force you to return home early in the next rough weather conditions. While the Hilleberg from what I've seen in many of your reviews there is no issues with quality except certain ones are better suited for certain situations or needing to reduce weight while still maintaining quality & durability!
It's a pity it seems like you've stated the Fjallraven has some great innovative ideas except they've seriously reduced the durability of the material by making it a costly mistake, as they've certainly chosen the wrong combination of denier material to reduce its overall weight where they shouldn't have done so. Hopefully, the makers of Fjallraven will take onboard your observation on guy rope lines and durability of material hopefully they will come out with an updated version of it.
Hi Stephen, the Fjallraven is long gone so I totally agree with you.. I never liked the thin fabrics but was prepared to give them a chance... Once I noticed the fabric failing then that was enough for me. Made the new owner aware of it but for my type of camping this would soon have become a problem..
Fjallraven were not interested in fixing the tent as they offered me a repair kit to do it myself.. So the tent and brand definitely not for me... All the very best. Tom
A tiny bit of tenacious tape and/or a silicon patch and keep on rocking the Abisko.
Yes the new owner can do that. I have made the decision to let it go. Whether it's the right or wrong one I am not sure but decision made and I hope that the new owner gets great use from it. He is ware of the damage and will look at it tomorrow... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 It was clear from the Video that you would sell it. It remains a bit an apple and oranges comparison. Black Label GT versions e.g. might be better comparable to Keb Endurance. I just got my Abisko Lite 3 and I have not a single doubt that it will hold up just fine. Price was super sharp as well and my shoulders will lough and appreciate the weight saving every day we bring it along. Happy hiking.
@@-ZELTHELD- hey thank you and the Abisko Lite 3 is a great tent for its weight... Absolutely KEB Endurance 2 to a BL Nammatj GT would be a good one.. But sourcing is an issue and buying another issue too... ATB and happy camping and many years out of the Abisko. Tom
Great video Tom did you contact Fjallraven and if so did they response? I was looking to purchase the Abisko Lite 2 but not sure now. Was initially looking at the Nordisk Halland 2 but changed my mind due to the insanely thin 10d fly sheet.
Yes I did.. Had a poor response.. Took a second email to even get a reply.. Then offered a 3 rd party repair, or kit to repair it myself.. No apology or mention of warranty.. Best wishes Tom
Great review, did you get a response from Fjallraven about the Abisko, its on my radar so really would be helpful to know how their customer service is. I like the fact it is a light 4 season and great ventilation and the option to swap out the 4 season inner for a fly mesh inner for summer use. Don't intend to use intentionally is crazy wind but to withstand if it happens as it can at any time in the peaks and lakes. 3kg is to heavy and the smaller hilliberg is to small and coffin like for my liking. Cheers 😀
Hey Karl, than you for the comment.... yes the response from Fjallraven was not good at all... It took two emails a week apart to get any form of reply... Then they just offered me a free repair kit or to pay for a third party repair.... No apology or even manners to say sorry for the problem and sorry for the response time not to mention fixing under warranty as this was 100 percent a functional fault of the tent and not mis use in any way.... So I had hoped I had found a solution in this tent regarding space strength and weight but I am afraid not... I have now got a Scarp 1 Ultra and so far it really delivers and space is nearly double that of a Hilleberg Akto... I hope that this helps.. best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 helps a lot to be honest, always a concern buying from overseas warranty providers.
I got the same beenie!
Ha ha but have you any of these tents?? Best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I have abisko lite 1
@@vvs3796 Okay close enough 😂😂
I love the abisko lite 2. Took it with me on the west highland way with my girlfriend. The only downside is space. One person has to wait outside in the rain and wait for the other to get ready. The person in the rain is mostly me. Other then that i absolutely love the tent. Used to have an akto but had a lot of condensation problems so I sold it and kind of miss it. Now I'm looking at the abisko lite 1
Hi thanks for the comments and watching the video.. Great to hear your thoughts on the Abisko Lite 2.. Definitely small for two people but it was great for me using it as a one person tent.. The problem I had with the fabric just ended it for me so back to the smaller but more durable AKTO... Hey all the very best Tom
Excellent video Tom, did Fjallraven ever get back to you? I bought the Abisko Dome 2 this year, so far it’s been great, bit concerning about the durability.
Hi yes they did after a week and two emails... Offered a repair kit to do it myself and no mention of being sorry that this happened or mention of warranty... So I have a durability problem and a customer service problem.... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 thanks for letting me know, I had a similar experience with mine, not so much that it was damaged but had loose threads along the bottom of the fly sheet, sent Fjallraven a video of the issue, they were not interested and sent me a copy of the consumer rights act and told me to go back to the retailer, they weren’t even interested in knowing about the issue, put me off them to be honest, I doubt I’d buy another product from them, although the tent has been great so far, was really tempted on the Samoya tent you reviewed the other day with 40% discount though! Looks like a brilliant tent.
Interesting and detailed video, but there is one important question everyone should ask themselves and that is if they need a 4-seson tent. For some the answer is of course yes and then these are excellent options, but a lighter three season tent can also handle many conditions.
Yes you are right.. I feel when everyone asks about condensation as a first question then a 3 season tent may suit better... Pros and Cons that you need to understand... best wishes Tom
I have one real 4-season that I hardly ever used but it's excellent for above treeline high wind conditions (or car camping where weight and size doesn't matter). I've no problem though seeing that 4-season tents are useful or even necessary for people who want to camp on mountain tops in Scotland and other places with high wind. For everything else I've found that 3-season or even 2-season tents works well as long as I can find a sheltered camp site.
Hello! I watch your videos with great interest and I think I have seen them all. :) Won't the space in a two-person tent be better for one person if you lie diagonally? I don't think you will touch the inner tent then. I am considering buying the Fjellreven Abisko lite 2. Many tests show that it is a very good tent, even if you have unfortunately been unlucky with yours. All the best. :)
Hey Lars great to hear from you and your thoughts 💭.. Yes I sometimes lie diagonally but the inner and outer separation here in this tent are great so even if you touch the inner it doesn't push against the outer so no dampness comes through.. It's not a big deal for me but I usually mention it as I know others don't like their feet 🐾 touching the inner . All the very best wishes Tom
Sell the Fjallraven. Nammatj2 is the best tent you need for one person hiking use in your climate. Keep Akto if you definitely need very light tent to take with you just in case you need a shelter. I’ve Nammatj 2 myself and sold my Halti ultralight tunnel one person and one other 2 person tent - mainly because Nammatj has so much better ventilation. It’s quite humid in Nothern Europe I live, even in summer and with Nammatj I dont have unpleasant problems of condensation making life miserable in the tent.
Hi, the Fjallraven is more or less sold. I agree regarding the Nammatj and I think I established before that It was the best 4 season tent for me. If I had only to keep one of these tents then it would be the Nammatj... ATB Tom
If you have Abisko light thats not for to extreme conditions in to strong winds, it will brake. For extreme conditions you should go for Keb endurance. Thats made for ruffer conditions.
Hi thank you for the comment and I definitely get your point... This video was about 3 tents that I had owned and I am also comparing an Akto here which is also not Hillebergs strongest range of tents.. I understand too in that what you call extreme varies from person to person.. For example here in Northern Ireland at elevations of only 400m we regularly get winds over 50mph pretty much every week in the winter. So for me 40 to 50mph winds which was the highest I measured using this tent thats not extreme. The tent also has the facility to double pole and surely this then suggests that it can handle occasional extreme conditions.... I do get your point though and thank you for the comment... best wishes Tom
Another highly informative and interesting analysis. Did you contact Fjallraven about the issue and if so what was their customer service like? Last year I was looking for a sturdy 2 person (though I use it as a single) and very attracted to the Nammatj but as I live rural Tasmania could not get my hands on one to inspect. Also, I was dubious about the weight as I was replacing an original 3.6kg Macpac Olympus (brilliant) and wanted significantly lighter so that sealed it. I ended up with a very curious sub-2kg which, I am assured, can take a severe beating - my friend's survived a number of massive New Zealand mountain storms while other tents were failing. And yet it's also excellent in tropical climates - so it is indeed odd but so far performing well. Very versatile. A small Western Australian brand, Wilderness Equipment Second Arrow. I'd love if you could subject it to your assessment but alas.
Thanks for excellent channel.
Hi David, the response from Fjallraven on every account was poor. I emailed two different contacts and none got back to me until I sent a further email 6 days later... No apology for the tent problem or the fact that it took 6 days to respond.. Offered me a third party repair (no mention of warranty) or to send out a repair kit... Hey awesome for you to make me aware of the Australian brand.. Wilderness Equipment.. Love that second arrow with the 11 mm poles... I wonder to they want to increase sales to Europe and the UK???? ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I guess this decides it then Tom, I wont be purchasing the Abisko Lite 2. Thx
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Hi, not sure what you mean by this comment sorry.... best wishes Tom
Keb Endurance is the Fjällräven tent for comparision with Nammatj.
Yes you are right but I can't get one... Tom
Hi Tom I did wonder about the durability of the fabric. You did have three wild night.. But as it is a four season tent it should have done better. Every tent is a compromise of weight strength durability size and price. I would hope Fjallraven replace or refund you for a excellent tent that could have been. As always a true and honest review.
Totally agree with you.replace or refund.i,ve had my lite 2 for 2 years and in some serious winds with no problems or abrasion signs.hope fjallraven do what's right.at 66 I can only carry about 2kg of tent.😅my base camp tent is a Japanese snow peak.i seem to be using that more with age.😅
Hi Alan, great for you to share your feedback. I have sent an email to Fjallraven to hear their response. This tent has the ability to be double polled so if it is designed for this to be a feature then it should have been fine in the weather that I had it out in. The poles have taken no damage at all. I will post the responses from. them in my video description.... ATB and thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts... Tom
Hi Gary, thank you for your feedback and as I mentioned to Alan the details are now with Fjallraven so it will be exciting to hear their thoughts... I understand to 2kg tent weight and that's where I am heading too.... ATB and thank you for sharing your thoughts. Tom
Hope you get a good replacement
Hey Dave I have fund my way to the scarp 1 Ultra and am extremely happy with it thank you very much.. best wishes Tom
Great video Tom. Seems like you're still on the fence, can't blame you there, you've picked 3 very different designs of tent. I'm testing the Abisko lite 3 next week, but that's just for fun. I wouldn't pick it over a Nammatj 2 even though the weight is tempting. The Akto is more of a 4 season bivouac, superb at what it does. I'm surprised given you seem like a tall bloke that a Kaitum 2/3 isn't a top pick?
Hi great to hear your thoughts here.... The Kaitum is actually just too long... When I lay in it with my feet at the end then at my head there is two feet of extra space... I am tempted as its a beautiful tent that does so many things really well... Your right about the different designs too but they all serve particular needs... ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 they sure do, that's what I think makes the comparison nigh on impossible. It's like choosing between my dentist and my chiropractor...I can definitely think of situations I have needed both 😆
@@greenpanda7121 Nice one...Tom 😁😁
@@TOMHEANEY100 Took the abisko lite 3 last night which I was fortunate enough to loan. I can honestly say despite it being brand new, I wasn't too impressed beyond the weight and pack size. Judging solely on that, incredible. However the material was looking tired in one place, the guylines and plastic clips were inferior to Hilleberg's and though the design was largely commendable, the production quality wasn't comparable, it looked a bit cheap and I had doubts over durability from the absolute get go. We had Rogen's, Helags' and Kaitum's next to us and they all looked flawless. Really glad I tried it but also I can tell I've been spoiled by expecting Hilleberg quality, that's my prejudice. I'd more likely drop a price class and go MSR than Fjallraven here. Very stable you're spot on but also a super saggy foot end, perhaps I got unlucky or I could have made a better pitch, no doubt.
It was great to see this comparison. Thank you.
I remember that my biggest dilemma was if I should buy a Hilleberg Akto, or an Abisko lite 1. Although, I have the Akto now, I'd love to see a comparison on these 2 tents, because they are almost identical. Can you somehow borrow an Abisko lite 1 for a comparison?
And something else:
Ultralight trekking pole tents are more and more popular. I've never tried any but I don't feel like I could trust then in extreme conditions. I'd love to see a comparison on the Akto (or any other Hilleberg) and a trekking pole tent like the Lanshan in windy, possibly extreme windy conditions. Is it actually worth to carry the extra weight? Is it really more safe and more stable? I've never seen a side by side comparison and I'd love to see one.
Hey Andras, I hope that you are well. Yes if I can get an Abisko Lite 1 It will be a comparison for sure as such similar tents and many will want to know the differences... Ok very soon I will take both my Lanshan 2 pro out with the Akto for some wind testing. Thank you for the idea... ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Thank you so much! I appreciate it.
@@andrass.2842 Welcome....
Cool i watch this later
Hope you have watched it by now..... I think from you other comment that you have.... Sure watch it twice.... ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 watch 3 times got help a fellow ulster man lol
@@Bikepacking You are a star I appreciate it.... Tom
Wow!! I'm shocked. That's not the service you would expect from a company like that. Have you tried emailing the CEO?
Hi Dave, I just wouldn't waste time taking it that far.. They had a number of opportunities to put this right and failed even with manners too.. Even if I did contact the CEO and got a positive outcome I shouldn't really have needed to do that... I had someone lined up who could view the tent before purchase and he was more than happy with the agreed price. This was my opportunity to Sell it and move on. best wishes and thank you for the suggestion.. Tom
Say to Fjallraven, re the little nip in the fabric, test the customer support 😉
Hi Frosty, you are only allowed one comment ha ha... Hey, great that you are thinking about it all. I will contact Fjallraven tomorrow or Tues and see what they say and then she here... ATB and thank you for watching and taking the time to comment twice.... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 it's important to shed light on this. We're getting a fuller picture. Although, I am very keen to see how the customer support is with you. Maybe don't let on you are a reviewer and see what way they treat you as "joe public" 😉 (the rest of us), They might give you a bit of preference after learning you review products!
Hi Tom many thanks for the excellent reviews. I am after a Hilleberg for solo bikepacking but unfortunately I am 6ft 3” tall and with a large frame, and hate having the tent inner flapping directly in my face. Any suggestions you may have with regards to models to consider would be gratefully received. I have watched dozens of reviews on TH-cam but seem to get more indecisive as time goes on… Keep up the great work!
Hi... yeah so many different opinions.. The Kaitum 2 will have insane length due to its vertical walls and less flapping as 3 poles instead of 2 supporting the structure...BUT large pack size.... The Tarp Tent Scarp 1 or 2 are worth a consideration as light and substantially higher and wider at the ends (vertical ends giving good length) than an Akto.. Very light on the inner fabric and tent floor though but this helps pack size but the long rods at either end then make for a pack that's long and thin if you know what I mean... Never an easy answer I am afraid ... I hope that this helps. nest wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 wonderful. Many thanks… What about the Jannu? I know its heavier but may be worth the extra weight!
@@colourdoodles3507 Jannu really slopes in both front and back.. This makes a massive practical difference to the true length.. I love it but sometimes I sleep diagonal due to this and I am a couple of inches shorter than you.
@@TOMHEANEY100 ok 👍 Many thanks for taking the time to respond Tom, your thoughts are very much appreciated… Cheers.
Two brands I’ve never touched because of the cost. Us poorer outdoors folk go for Vango, OEX and Snugpak 😆
Hi Matt, thank you for your comments. Vango make an expensive tent too you know.. The F10 Neon UL 1 www.vango.co.uk/gb/camping-equipment/1329-f10-neon-ul-1.html.... £535 for a one person tent... Once you try to combine light weight with strength then the money goes up with most of the brands. I have also tested a Vango Banshee 300, and 3FUL Lanshan 2 which are cheaper tents so my channel is not just limited to expensive ones... If you were into cycling then a top end bike is 10k compared to the price of a top end tent so I am lucky that tents are my thing. Personally my type of camping preference is on summits in exposed conditions as other locations are now getting over used. Due to my age I also need the tent to be light as well as strong and this is when they get expensive. But when my safety depends on it then its worth it for me... Thank you for your thoughts as all are welcome... ATB and happy camping... Tom
Nice vid! Did you ever touch base with Fjarlraven re. that issue noticed on the fabric? Bit of a shame given these tents are designed for 4 season use. Hopefully a manufacturing defect.
Yes I had to email twice a week apart before I got a response.. Then they offered me a free repair kit to fix it myself or send it to a third party for repair.. No mention of warranty or the fact that they were sorry regarding the fact that I had a problem.. So really simple for me.. Sold the tent to a friend totally aware of everything and no more Fjallraven for me.. Best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Thanks for the update Tom. Massive let down on their behalf.
It would interesting to know if Fjallraven would treat it as a fault under warranty. I had an Abisko dome, developed a similar issue ( possibly with some help from me😮) but they replaced it without question. But it was the seed of doubt planted, so it became a Staika instead 👍💪
No they are not interested. Had to email twice 6 days apart as no response to two different emails I sent a message. Gave me details of a third party repair agent and offered a repair kit to send out.. I told them what I would have expected, related that I was disappointed, and stated that as far as I was concerned the matter was now closed.. No follow up even to this out of courtesy.. So personally for me no confidence in the product or the customer service.... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Yes, that would be the deal breaker for me as well!
I'd keep the hillebergs, the akto for lightweight and the nammatj for 2 people and extremes
Definitely... No more Fjallraven for me due to a problem with this one and no customer support... best wishes Tom
Hi Tom. I'm stuck between the Hilleberg Akto and the Fjallraven Abisko Lite 1 for my solo camps. What would you pick?
Akto I am afraid.. Stronger and more durable with great customer support.. But the Abisko may have more features, ventilation, room inside and cheaper... I'd still prefer the Akto after my bad Fjallraven experience with both the tents and customer service.. Hope this helps.. best wishes Tom
What about the Jannu. In one of your reviews you seemed to love that tent. How would it stack up?
Yes you are right. I sold both the Abisko and Nammatj and bought a Jannu.. The Abisko got sold due to the fault I had with it and the Nammatj due to it being very flappy and drafty in high winds.. Having used the Jannu now for about 5 camps in varied harsh conditions it's definitely my new favourite.. I still have the Akto as Jannu and Akto are very different but if I can manage the extra weight I will carry the Jannu every time.. The taught inner makes it very comfortable in high winds and it has fantastic space for one person. I hope that helps.. It was only when I saw the Jannu and Nammatj side by side in 40mph winds that I appreciated how much more stable and comfortable it was... Best wishes and thank you for your comments... Tom
My instincts said N. Ireland would break the 20d on the Abisko!
20d is 20d. I honestly would still consider the Fjallraven Abisko if you can plan to be behind wind breaks. But if high wind open space camping will be a requirement, stay away from the 20d.
How bout a Keb Endurance 2p ?!?!?!?!?!?
Hey Matt are you calling me Ireland???? ha ha Well I gave it a chance and am always open to trying new things and brands with gear... Yr right 20d textile is 20d textile and no matter what the manufactures say it's as simple as that. There just has to be a hit on durability. I would have not expected a problem so early in the tents use though and any 4 season tent should take 50mph winds for many many camps before taking fabric stress damage IMO... I have already got a buyer and its going soon although I may give Fjallraven a chance to respond...ATB and thank you for watching and your comment and continued support of my channel Tom. Oh yes the Ken Endurance 2p.... I think I will stick to Hilleberg as I have now owned 6 of them and handled double that amount in my reviews and NEVER had a problem....
Hey Tom - so I was leaning towards the Fjallraven - what did you decide in the end I wonder. That wee fault - did it get worse and importantly was it replicated on the other sides or just in the one spot (I'm wondering if it was there from the beginning,perhaps a manufacturing fault?)
Hi, thank you for watching.. I sold the Fjallraven due to this fault and the fact that customer service had no interest in helping. It took a second email to even get a response and they only offered a third party repair or to send me a repair kit and fix it myself. So this is still a great tent to be fair but definitely not for me and I personally would not support a brand with this level of customer service... Hey I hope that this helps... best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 cheers Tom - I might follow up with Fjallraven on whether they have seen that fault before and ask about the service before buying the Abisko - but hey - have you any other suggestions on free standing dome or somewhat symmetrical 4 tent with the chimney ventilation of the Fjallraven for those wamer nights?
@@tuberider1171 Hi I kind of dont like to recommend tents that I have no experience of. I recommend Hilleberg tents because I have had my hands on about 20 of them and never found a fault. They have also stood strong in really harsh weather and taken no damage.. So Hilleberg dome tents would be the Staika or Allak but I dont think they are as well vented as the Fjallraven. I have also many years experience of the North face VE25 dome tent but again not great on ventilation but the fly doesn't come close to the ground so that reduces the ventilation needed at the top.. I hope that is of some help.. best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 cheers Tom thanks for taking the time to reply.. perhaps one day Hilleberg might enhance the ventilation on their tents like Fjallraven.. increasing hot summers might just sway their minds
Hallo Tom, thank you for your review! It seems the Abisko 2 is an exact copy of the Hilleberg Anjan 2 - or maybe the other way round? I was disappointed to see the tear in the Abisko, I have had my eyes on this tent for a while now. Though I would use it for cycling-touring in less hefty conditions. I would opt for the Hilleberg Anjan 2 version anyday, but the one issue i have with Hilleberg tents in general is their long poles at 45cm, its impossible to pack these in my cycling panniers. So it looks I am going to have to take my chances with the Abisko 2. ATB, Gerlach Sven.
Hey great to hear from you and your thoughts 💭💭. Both pretty good tents.. You might be able to source DAC poles with the same length but shorter sections... I totally agree with what you are saying and it's a pity.. The Anjan also has a little more room if that means anything. Hilleberg will have some reason why the pole sections are longer longer .. either a strength one or two control costs as they already do this by having the same pole lengths on many different tents. I am sure they would give you an answer if you thought it was worth contacting them.. I hope you get sorted.. Best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Hello Tom, thank you kindly for you response and advise! I think I will contact Hillberg indeed and see if they have any suggestions for alternative poles with shorter sections, all the best, Gerlach Sven!
@@TOMHEANEY100 Just a short additional note: I used to own a lovely AGU-tunnel tent (made for cyclist), but eventually had to replace it, for now I am using a cheap in between, the Terra Nova Zyphros, not unsimilar to the Fjalraven Abisko 1 and the Hilleberg Akto. But these tents with only one central arch all have one big drawback: you always end up sleeping with your head at the lowest end of the inner, very close to the fabric. You made a simmilar observation in this video.To be honest, this makes me feel very claustrophobic and sometimes panicky. Hence my wish for a tunnel-tent again...
@@gerlachsieders4578 Hi no doubt that head space is limited for sure.. I love the Akto for single overnights but not too many in a row due to the limited space... An Unna could be a great option but obviously a bit heavier.. I just found the liveable space it it amazing for one.. You can pull the inner back too to create extra vestibule space...