It's occurred to me that Adrien could have de-escalated Nino's breakdown by revealing himself as Chat Noir and dispelling his delusions about Alya. But the revelation that Ladybug allowed Nino and Alya to know each other's identities shook him too hard, and he couldn't respond rationally. Having Adrien divulge his identity would have formed a nice parallel to Alya knowing Marinette is Ladybug. But maybe it would have been a little too obvious, too on the nose. Mr. Astruc threw us a curveball, and it paid off. It helps that Adrien's reaction was well in-character and organically written. Also, it helped grease the wheels of the slow-moving trainwreck that is the Love Square, which is on the verge of imploding because of the mutual lack of trust... the kind of trust that Nino and Alya enjoy.
never forget that at the beginning of season 4, cat noir told ladybug he was fine with her being guardian so long as it didn't change things between them, but sadly, those changes were never their choice to happen, they are happening now and bothe Ladybug and Cat Noir are having a hard time keeping up with it all. It used to be simple, just the two of them saving Paris together, but with so many dangers becoming more and more complicated, and with so many new enemies becoming more and more difficult to defeat, it cant just be the two of them anymore. The team is growing, dangers are growing, responsibilities are growing, they as people are growing and with it all, so are their secrets and personal problems.
When Cat Noir went to fight Miracle Queen and her army, the holders were already transformed and Nino didn't transformed, so he didn't get to know who Rena Rouge and Carapace were. But his shock was because Alya and Nino knew their secrets identities, as Ladybug allowed them to know and doesn't allow Cat Noir to know hers and vice-verse. The thing is Nino twisted the situation, as Ladybug just allowed them to know each other's identities (more like allowed him to know Alya's) because she was in a hurry and didn't have the time to give the Miraculous individually.
Marinette's decision to out herself to Alya is certainly making waves, isn't it? Of course, there's a difference: Alya and Nino were already a couple before getting their respective jewels, whilst Marinette and Adrien weren't. So, that matter of having no secrets between two partners in love is understandable when it comes to Alya and Nino. Unfortunately, it's problematic for Ladybug and Cat Noir, not least because he already senses that Ladybug is keeping him out on a limb, and now he has learned that she doesn't treat other members of the superhero team in that way. It's a further blow to him, and there are more blows to come. More happily, Nino has joined the list of those we know to be capable of breaking or resisting an akuma. It's a great moment for his character, even if it isn't quite as significant as Alya doing it in "Gang of Secrets." Those theories about the Future Hawkmoth are intriguing, Luna, although perhaps having now seem the finale of season 4, you might have revised them? It will be fun to go over them in your post-season stream when that happens. Whatever else you can say about this season, it is definitely turning around a darker corner!
Ever since s2 ended and s3 began, the heroes started to decline, as the pressure and inability to keep their personal life away of their heroic one caused them to take risks and mistakes that are soon to come to haunt them later. We saw that in season 3, where Marinette's conflicting love life caused her to lead Hawk Moth to Master Fu. But this one... Ladybug putting Cat Noir aside and trying her best to be the best Guardian she can be, Cat Noir feeling even more frustrated with Ladybug and struggling with his own personal issues and now... this between Alya and Nino. Everything is just not looking good for the heroes.
I noticed you just uploaded Qilin, which means you’re about to get to the big ones. Everyone, pray for Luna to get through these episodes without breaking!
Exited to see your reaction when the episode comes out! It’s one of my personal favorites. Can we mention how her hair looks? IYS SO PRETTY! Also, you might want to prepare yourself for the next episode. As in, emotionally prepare yourself. Thank you!
The way you pronounced the name at the beginning made me laugh so much because that’s not how rock eater would be spelled 😂 Oh yeah and Adrien didn’t know because In the finale he didn’t show up until they had already transformed and since everyone besides ladybug (maybe Chloe) hawkmoth and Mayura was affected by the akuma they don’t remember any of it.
Rena Furtive, while very pretty, is very dangerous. when Alya made the illusion to convince Shadow Moth that she would never wield the Fox pendant again, she should have actually followed through with that. instead, for no apparent reason, Ladybug is having her remain on the team in secret, and this just makes things needlessly hard for Alya, as shown in this episode. it means she has to lie to Nino, which gave him a reason to be sus of her, but even so, i think he should have trusted her. the way i see it, if you can’t trust someone, you have no business dating them. and then he goes as far as to spy on her?! no excuses, turtle boy. then there’s his breakdown with Adrien, which is, as i said in my other comment, incredibly dark for an ‘8 year olds show’. i mean, he makes it clear, he wants Cat Noir dead, full stop, and then gets the power to do it. and then there’s Adrien…now feeling completely betrayed by Ladybug, especially after the events of 414, 415 and 416. now this?! like i said, the ‘depression trilogy’. it is this sort of nasty behaviour from the characters that caused a great deal of Miraculers to leave the fandom. turns out, it really was all to set up something…this show just never runs out of surprises. next is “Wishmaker”, which goes in a COMPLETELY different direction, and has become one of the most iconic episodes of all time!
@@Luna-TK I saw the miraculous ladybug and cat noir season 4 finale and I don't know why but, I am still getting a Pinocchio and beauty and the beast feel to the whole season 4. Ether dad is in fact, he is hypnotize by the ring that he has been use on Adrian agreste nor mom agreste is behind this guy not acting like a dad nor he is a robot that can calculate where the kwam are and was built by older Lila. I mean if you see a dinosaur in this version of Paris. The only way to have Adrian be a thing is if he was a robot that can calculate where the kwam are and was built by someone else nor he is a clone of the real Adrian agreste . if a dinosaur can be in a Jurassic Park rip off so clones are not out of the question which would make sense if he was a robot that can calculate where the kwam are and was built by older someone else nor was always kidnapped nor was kidnapped in season two. Who is to say that fu lost his memory at all I know that we saw him lose his memory but was it really gone nor was it all a illusion. Even though the badly done what if episode of ladybug and cat noir that is supposed to be the "100" episode of ladybug and cat noir ephemeral episode is totally garage and it is so bad because of how this what if episode was written it and so bad they handle it above all it is like taking cat blanc episode and put it on a train and running over it with a lawnmower instead . above all else it is bad. Don't believe me take a look for yourself . I think that Adrian agreste is thinking up a plan to defeat hawkmoth . we did not see what fu was doing with Adrian when he met fu and they could have been thinking up a plan to defeat hawkmoth off screen and if that's the case , then it will be a good twist that no one would see coming and since Adrian agreste is not a sentemonster and flex is not sentemonster confers upon miraculous mexico that has ties to the creator of the show it could be clones of the real Adrian agreste. What if even if hawkmoth does get the miraculouses and nothing happened because they are in his wish already and some one has a shield around Paris and the mom agreste is behind it all but what if she is not the real Emma but some body that has gone through plastic surgery to look like Adrian's mom and trick hawkmoth who is probably Lila who has been hypnotize the dad not acting like by the ring that he has been use on Adrian agreste nor mom agreste is behind this guy not acting like a dad. The way the hypothesis ring that he has been use on Adrian agreste seems to have a button on it and probably flex found out about this off screen with his mom . I feel that he is up to something that can defeat hawkmoth.
Had you been spoiled by the cat walker episode of ladybug and cat noir? By that I mean have you figure out who catwalker really is nor have you seen it already ? It's a good episode of ladybug and cat noir because it answer the question which Adrian agreste is the real Adrian agreste, the Adrian agreste side nor the catnoir side ? It has been the question which Adrian agreste is the real Adrian agreste and you will see why that is . I think that Lila is behind this . by that I mean older Lila . where are dad agreste getting this technology ? It has to be from older Lila who is the best liar ever and new hawkmoth because time travel miraculous exist and probably hypnotize by a hypnotize ring that he has been use on Adrian agreste . what is is half of this stuff.
@@Luna-TK so even though it was a mix bag it's not that bad and not terrible ether . which episode did you like this season ? The catwalker episode was by far the best episode that I like . the catwalker suit was cool and I think that catnoir has to have a upgrade not to say that catnoir 's suit is bad it is the best but I still think that he does need a upgrade the same as ladybug.
It's occurred to me that Adrien could have de-escalated Nino's breakdown by revealing himself as Chat Noir and dispelling his delusions about Alya. But the revelation that Ladybug allowed Nino and Alya to know each other's identities shook him too hard, and he couldn't respond rationally.
Having Adrien divulge his identity would have formed a nice parallel to Alya knowing Marinette is Ladybug. But maybe it would have been a little too obvious, too on the nose. Mr. Astruc threw us a curveball, and it paid off. It helps that Adrien's reaction was well in-character and organically written. Also, it helped grease the wheels of the slow-moving trainwreck that is the Love Square, which is on the verge of imploding because of the mutual lack of trust... the kind of trust that Nino and Alya enjoy.
well also Adrien truly believed you should not tell anyone and has stuck to that even though everyone else broke the rule.
never forget that at the beginning of season 4, cat noir told ladybug he was fine with her being guardian so long as it didn't change things between them, but sadly, those changes were never their choice to happen, they are happening now and bothe Ladybug and Cat Noir are having a hard time keeping up with it all. It used to be simple, just the two of them saving Paris together, but with so many dangers becoming more and more complicated, and with so many new enemies becoming more and more difficult to defeat, it cant just be the two of them anymore. The team is growing, dangers are growing, responsibilities are growing, they as people are growing and with it all, so are their secrets and personal problems.
the episode of lies, secrets, betrayal and murderous anger! yeah, definitely a kids show.
When Cat Noir went to fight Miracle Queen and her army, the holders were already transformed and Nino didn't transformed, so he didn't get to know who Rena Rouge and Carapace were. But his shock was because Alya and Nino knew their secrets identities, as Ladybug allowed them to know and doesn't allow Cat Noir to know hers and vice-verse. The thing is Nino twisted the situation, as Ladybug just allowed them to know each other's identities (more like allowed him to know Alya's) because she was in a hurry and didn't have the time to give the Miraculous individually.
I can’t wait for the future villian Rockeater
Ah yes rock eater
Hehehe I'm so dumb 😂
We are definitely getting closer to the big reveal
Marinette's decision to out herself to Alya is certainly making waves, isn't it? Of course, there's a difference: Alya and Nino were already a couple before getting their respective jewels, whilst Marinette and Adrien weren't. So, that matter of having no secrets between two partners in love is understandable when it comes to Alya and Nino.
Unfortunately, it's problematic for Ladybug and Cat Noir, not least because he already senses that Ladybug is keeping him out on a limb, and now he has learned that she doesn't treat other members of the superhero team in that way. It's a further blow to him, and there are more blows to come.
More happily, Nino has joined the list of those we know to be capable of breaking or resisting an akuma. It's a great moment for his character, even if it isn't quite as significant as Alya doing it in "Gang of Secrets."
Those theories about the Future Hawkmoth are intriguing, Luna, although perhaps having now seem the finale of season 4, you might have revised them? It will be fun to go over them in your post-season stream when that happens.
Whatever else you can say about this season, it is definitely turning around a darker corner!
Ever since s2 ended and s3 began, the heroes started to decline, as the pressure and inability to keep their personal life away of their heroic one caused them to take risks and mistakes that are soon to come to haunt them later. We saw that in season 3, where Marinette's conflicting love life caused her to lead Hawk Moth to Master Fu. But this one... Ladybug putting Cat Noir aside and trying her best to be the best Guardian she can be, Cat Noir feeling even more frustrated with Ladybug and struggling with his own personal issues and now... this between Alya and Nino. Everything is just not looking good for the heroes.
I noticed you just uploaded Qilin, which means you’re about to get to the big ones. Everyone, pray for Luna to get through these episodes without breaking!
We all know...for whom is that upside down face of yours...my poor poor kitty :'(
Exited to see your reaction when the episode comes out! It’s one of my personal favorites.
Can we mention how her hair looks? IYS SO PRETTY!
Also, you might want to prepare yourself for the next episode. As in, emotionally prepare yourself.
Thank you!
I love this episode.
The way you pronounced the name at the beginning made me laugh so much because that’s not how rock eater would be spelled 😂
Oh yeah and Adrien didn’t know because In the finale he didn’t show up until they had already transformed and since everyone besides ladybug (maybe Chloe) hawkmoth and Mayura was affected by the akuma they don’t remember any of it.
I feel so bad for Catnoir.
I swear s4 did him no kindness nor the remaining episodes of s3 after Cat Blanc
The cat noir transformation sound different because it was the sad transformation for Adrien
Nice❤️💖🧡
Rena Furtive, while very pretty, is very dangerous. when Alya made the illusion to convince Shadow Moth that she would never wield the Fox pendant again, she should have actually followed through with that. instead, for no apparent reason, Ladybug is having her remain on the team in secret, and this just makes things needlessly hard for Alya, as shown in this episode.
it means she has to lie to Nino, which gave him a reason to be sus of her, but even so, i think he should have trusted her. the way i see it, if you can’t trust someone, you have no business dating them. and then he goes as far as to spy on her?! no excuses, turtle boy.
then there’s his breakdown with Adrien, which is, as i said in my other comment, incredibly dark for an ‘8 year olds show’. i mean, he makes it clear, he wants Cat Noir dead, full stop, and then gets the power to do it. and then there’s Adrien…now feeling completely betrayed by Ladybug, especially after the events of 414, 415 and 416. now this?! like i said, the ‘depression trilogy’.
it is this sort of nasty behaviour from the characters that caused a great deal of Miraculers to leave the fandom. turns out, it really was all to set up something…this show just never runs out of surprises.
next is “Wishmaker”, which goes in a COMPLETELY different direction, and has become one of the most iconic episodes of all time!
What do you think of Rena Furtive's outfit? Do you prefer it than og Rena Rouge or nah?
Do I have to make a spoiler tag? When I write something from the final or later episodes in general
She said she watched the full season in the live chat so it should be ok now we are just waiting for the reactions to be uploaded
Yep Adrien knows some of them but prior to this episode Alya and Nino were not one of them.
Adrien didn’t know alya and Nino were heroes it wasn’t revealed to cat nori
I believe that the real reveal is happening sometime in season 5.
I agree
@@Luna-TK I saw the miraculous ladybug and cat noir season 4 finale and I don't know why but, I am still getting a Pinocchio and beauty and the beast feel to the whole season 4. Ether dad is in fact, he is hypnotize by the ring that he has been use on Adrian agreste nor mom agreste is behind this guy not acting like a dad nor he is a robot that can calculate where the kwam are and was built by older Lila. I mean if you see a dinosaur in this version of Paris. The only way to have Adrian be a thing is if he was a robot that can calculate where the kwam are and was built by someone else nor he is a clone of the real Adrian agreste . if a dinosaur can be in a Jurassic Park rip off so clones are not out of the question which would make sense if he was a robot that can calculate where the kwam are and was built by older someone else nor was always kidnapped nor was kidnapped in season two. Who is to say that fu lost his memory at all I know that we saw him lose his memory but was it really gone nor was it all a illusion. Even though the badly done what if episode of ladybug and cat noir that is supposed to be the "100" episode of ladybug and cat noir ephemeral episode is totally garage and it is so bad because of how this what if episode was written it and so bad they handle it above all it is like taking cat blanc episode and put it on a train and running over it with a lawnmower instead . above all else it is bad. Don't believe me take a look for yourself . I think that Adrian agreste is thinking up a plan to defeat hawkmoth . we did not see what fu was doing with Adrian when he met fu and they could have been thinking up a plan to defeat hawkmoth off screen and if that's the case , then it will be a good twist that no one would see coming and since Adrian agreste is not a sentemonster and flex is not sentemonster confers upon miraculous mexico that has ties to the creator of the show it could be clones of the real Adrian agreste. What if even if hawkmoth does get the miraculouses and nothing happened because they are in his wish already and some one has a shield around Paris and the mom agreste is behind it all but what if she is not the real Emma but some body that has gone through plastic surgery to look like Adrian's mom and trick hawkmoth who is probably Lila who has been hypnotize the dad not acting like by the ring that he has been use on Adrian agreste nor mom agreste is behind this guy not acting like a dad. The way the hypothesis ring that he has been use on Adrian agreste seems to have a button on it and probably flex found out about this off screen with his mom . I feel that he is up to something that can defeat hawkmoth.
Had you been spoiled by the cat walker episode of ladybug and cat noir? By that I mean have you figure out who catwalker really is nor have you seen it already ? It's a good episode of ladybug and cat noir because it answer the question which Adrian agreste is the real Adrian agreste, the Adrian agreste side nor the catnoir side ? It has been the question which Adrian agreste is the real Adrian agreste and you will see why that is . I think that Lila is behind this . by that I mean older Lila . where are dad agreste getting this technology ? It has to be from older Lila who is the best liar ever and new hawkmoth because time travel miraculous exist and probably hypnotize by a hypnotize ring that he has been use on Adrian agreste . what is is half of this stuff.
@@chrisbowers7523 I've seen the whole season I just have to edit everything now :-) And luckily I did not get spoiled
@@Luna-TK so even though it was a mix bag it's not that bad and not terrible ether . which episode did you like this season ? The catwalker episode was by far the best episode that I like . the catwalker suit was cool and I think that catnoir has to have a upgrade not to say that catnoir 's suit is bad it is the best but I still think that he does need a upgrade the same as ladybug.
Since season 6 and 7 are supposed to be something new.
No. Adrien didn’t know up until this episode
Pls skip episode 19
Never mind 😀
There's a movie called Rocketeer. Maybe you'll watch it once. :)