Super Sport vs Sport Touring (CBR vs VFR)
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HeroRR I'm pretty sure u just remove the tank on the cbr for the air filter
HeroRR th-cam.com/video/hoFyoXn61yg/w-d-xo.html
in the spirit of the hoon your vtec valves will never be out of spec, if you never look....
the cam chain tensioners though....
hay hero could you tell me which is better ducati monster 821 or yamaha mt09 (2018), no one has done a proper review of these two bikes and it might take a month or two to get them in india but i love doing research and like to know what i am getting into before i get my bike. so please help me out thank you
Just the fact that's a v4, I would most definitely go with the vfr.
Not to mention the Vtec!
A lot of bikes from 03' look very dated now, that VFR looks very nice still, love it.
Yes! She aged so well! :)
Halfdead Rider Agree but late 90’s to early/mid 2000’s is definitely my era for bikes. I have an ‘03 Hornet (Honda 599) prefer it over modern bikes. I just love how bikes looked then and think their paint designs were much nicer. I also think Honda have lost the plot now and can’t stand their HRC colour schemes. When I bought my first lid (Arai) in 2000 I was spoilt for choice, seemed to like every other design but when I was looking for a lid in 2015 the only one I was drawn to turned out to be discontinued. Ended up with the Shark, Carl Fogarty Anniversary edition. I’m probably in the minority now but I’m ok with that :)
I have a cbr600rr from '03 still think its one of the best looking bikes (in my price range) out there! When I tell people (those that don't know that much of motorcycles) that the bike is from 2003 they all look suprised! Personally I think the cbr from 03 is more beautiful than the newer ones ('12 , ....) my opinion ofcourse :)
Yea they are great looking bikes still too, I would get one but I think I would only own a sport bike if I was lucky enough to own more than one bike, I don't think my wrists would cope on a sport bike for long periods of time.
To be honest (the cbr is my first racer) I thought I couldn't ride like that for more than a few hours. But now I own one I can ride it the whole day! with no problems as long as i keep the power in my legs and my upperbody is relaxed (The way u should ride all the time) But if I'm stuck in traffic it becomes a whole different story , compared to this the z750 is like sitting in you're sofa at home. So for commuting I couldn't agree more with u, but lets say for a trip to (in my case) luxembourg or the Ardennes where there's almost no traffic and u can ride all day without having to stop every 20 seconds, the only place u will feel this is you're bum (because of the old seat, i'll bet new bikes don't have this problem as much) xD (my experience/opinion^^)
The VFR looks like an Italian sports car from 90s or even 80s :)
I’ve been riding all kinds of bikes for close to 50 years; 66 years old now and I can’t see giving up my ‘09 VFR. It’s not my daily rider, a V-Strom has that job, but the VFR (with basic mods) has enough character, comfort and class to keep me buying new (and better) rubber. Next summer, I’ll finally lower the pegs a tad and add HeliBars - hopefully, that’ll get me into my seventies.
Read up on the PAIR modification for your VFR.
Mine had awful fuelling at low rpm, and this mod solved it within minutes, at no cost.
Air is pulled from the airbox, directly to the exhaust in an attempt to clean up the emissions.
The thing is, it is introduced into the exhaust before the oxygen sensor, which then takes an effectively false reading , which confuses the fuel injection.
After the (very easy) mod, the throttle response was much more predictable.
Night and day.
Well, I want to say GOD bless you brother that you're still on the road. I'm just now interested in a motorcycle.
A toddler, you know? 😅 I hope I'll ride motorcycles for as long as you.
*FREE* like an Eagle🦅
@ADEBISI ADEBISI A-hole
I have a 1999 Vfr 800 love it
As a motorcycle courier for over 36 years . I’ve used VFR’s since 87 . I currently own the 2014 but I will admit the 02 was my favorite . I put 700,000 miles on that one and average 400 to 500 thousand on all the VFR models . plus back in 91 full coverage on a gsxr would’ve been $2300 a year cuz they’re stolen or crashed all the time while the same coverage on a VFR was only $600 cuz punks don’t ride them , crash them or steal them Like most squidbikes. I’ve ridden them hard and put them away wet many times . They’re bullet proof.
Wow, would you tell us where in the world you rode those impressive distances?
@@karltonrod3855 Um... he was a motorcycle courier for 36 years..............
@@andyrude3019 Yeah Sounds more like a Sure, Jan story also it hasn't been 36 years since 1987 haha that would make it 2023
@@sea-dawg this is still an obvious "Sure, Jan" story he'd have to be riding 50000 not to mention its mostly dead after the 80s
Oh but it's 2024 now @@zacht9447
I totally MUCH MUCH PREFER the VFR. The comfort level is WAY WAY BETTER. The power is at lower rpm. The VTEC is... AWESOME. Unless you are a track rider, the VFR kills on the street....
VFR rulez!
The most underrated bike out here!
I personally prefer the sound of the straight 4
I own an 04 vfr and I have never removed the side fairing for an oil change. Turn the bars to the left while back is on center stand and reach through header area. Pretty simple. It helps to remove the 3 bolts holding the black cover in front of the headers.
The vfr isn’t the best bike out there but it is a great jack of all trades bike. The V4 is an amazing engine and the usable torque and power band keeps me happy anytime I am riding it. Great bike with a lot of soul.
My cbr from 2007 is my daily drive :p had it for almost 2 years now and put 30.000 KM on it, no trouble at all
I own a 2002 VTEC and it's still beautiful to me. I actually prefer its looks to 2014 VFR 800 which is kind of uninspiring to me.
15:00 from that angle i like the VFR looks more actually but from every other angle its the CBR
your VFR is so loud it woke up even my neighbours... and i live on the other side of the big pond^^
i love your camera! very crisp, clean image
You're young. Your CBR won't ALWAYS be your main girl. The fact that you've put on as many miles on the VFR in 6 months as you have on the CBR in 3 years is telling. ;) I see you selling both of them for a new VFR. You'll see how you change with age. I remember when I was your age, with my new SV650, like it was yesterday.
My 1999 VFR seems less problematic, as in zero issues....lol! Nice comp
I really loved my 2001 VFR. I toured on it, did a race school, and commuted on it. A great all around bike.
vfr800 sounds Better
Both are great for different applications! You don’t have to be uncomfortable commuting on the cbr600rr you have an option
Yup! That's why I bought the VFR! I can have my cake and eat it too! :D
Ive owned the 600, modded everything, was very happy with that bike. Test rode a VFR, it was very underwhelming.
Dude, that vfr makes the cbr look like a Miata. I’m a layman. A couple decides to go for a ride. Either the guy and girl go two up on the vfr or the guy jumps on the vfr and the girl jumps on the cbr. But I’m I future beginner. Experienced bike folk may know better.
its funny to hear you complain about the weight . when I was 25 I had a yamaha xs1100 that weighed 200 lb more than the VFR but never moaned about moving it around or picking it up after dropping it once or twice
he's a pussy guy
VFR 800 and CBR 1100xx are the best bikes Honda EVER built.
Vfr 750 mate.
Super hawk is always under the radar.
Idk man I LOVE my vtr1000
RC51.
VTR1000 firestorm very under rated.
Unless your tracking this bike the valves should never be a problem. I heard of so many owners that went 60k miles on theirs that went and had a valve check only to find them in perfect spec. Also the 5th gens were notorious for the wire harness melting. Honda used too small wire and heat issues cause the plastic on the wire harness would melt shorting out your stator and/or regulator leaving you dead in the water. They improved the plastic on the wire harness on the 6th gens but it can still be a problem. I always check mine when I do oil changes to see if I see any discoloration of the harness which will indicate a problem early. I plan on upgrading mine so I wont have to worry. Go to www.roadstercycle.com and get the super mosfet kit if any vfr owners want to upgrade theirs for a permanent fix.
Looking at your video, I wonder: aren't both front tyres on the wrong way around? The way the profile goes it seems to drain water towards the middle of the tyre which is exactly what you don't want. Compare the profile with your rear tyres, that both seem to be on the way I'd expect them to be.
I might be wrong, just something I noticed :)
This review is some show bizz stuff.. i keep watching it so many times.. i dont even know when this was made.!
So the best compromise would be a CBR1100XX.
Probably!
well, newer doesnt mean better, when it comes to the VFR... I got the older VFR 750 RC36 II from 95, it ran now about 98.000KM and the only thing i had to change (what was not maintenance) was the loading controller from the generator. Changing oil is even easier then on your CBR, and weights about 238KG with full gas. Still, due to its height, getting backwards outta the garage is not funny, i give you that, but valves are not yet nessecary to ajust (doesnt make any noises, and got no V-Tech), but spark plugs are still painful on her, given that V4 engine and the lot of Plastic around it... but still, reliable till deah do us part.
Vfr is the best sounding bike out there, just love that sound!!!
Until the 1199cc V4 panigale came along?
@@kf8575 Yet couldn't sound as good as the RC51 SP2 with Sato Banzai exhaust on it. Every time I start that up, heads turn looking bewildered at how a sport bike can sound like that, which I would most closely describe as similar to the sound of a muscle car. ;)
Nice comparo of the two machines. As you note, it's a little unfair comparing two bikes of different vintage. In front, I'll admit my VFR preference; I'm on my fourth, starting with a '95 and am now riding a 2014. The two bikes really have two different missions; the CBR is more track-focused, while the VFR is designed as an all-rounder. I've done track time on the CBR and two of my VFR's, and while ultimate cornering speed is higher on the CBR, the VFR does not disappoint when you are on the track. Since I use a bike to commute and for the occasional long ride, I find the VFR more comfortable. Most of all, however, the V4 is just an exceptional engine. After tens of thousands of miles on VFR's, I'm still grinning every time I rotate my right hand - it is an amazing sound! BTW, I had a Remus titanium system on my '03 and it gave a much mellower sound than the Delkovic silencers (not much) on your VFR. Good riding and thanks.
use the center stand on the vfr and u can spin it 360 degrees in its own radius. I do it with my 2000 in my driveway
Notably the 2006 version of the VFR (Gen6) is Way improved. Although i know that's not the question here.
how was it improved?
You have 2 great looking bikes mate, thanks for the comparison, i would slightly go towards the vfr
Actually, you give a statistic that belies your favoritism of the RR: miles per month. If I understood correctly, you had (at the time of the vid) 7K on the VFR and 14K on the RR; but you've been riding the RR three times as long. If so, that would mean you ride the VFR more per month (or some other time length).
That would seem to suggest the VFR gains the upper hand.
Had vfr800fi now got vfr1200... Much heavier, but manageable and surprisingly nimble.. Power is on another planet.. Very comfortable with helibars... Shaft driven, so no more chain cleaning/lubricating. Love this bike!
VFR all the way. There’s a reason it was Bike of the Year so often
No offense but you seem extremely biased in favor of the cbr also you're saying that you WILL have problems with the vfr when the reality is that you MIGHT unless you have Crystal ball or are some kind of motorcycle prophet. Also you should judge more on facts ss opposed to opinions. Only because as individuals everyone's opinion may be different but facts are harder to debate. 😊IJS. I do enjoy your videos and im subscribed so take as constructive criticism not a diss👍
After watching your bye bye Ninja video i REALLY am gassing for an Interceptor.
Awesome bikes my friend...nice comparison 👏👏👏... love from Portugal 😊
The VFR has always been my bike of choice for day to day riding anywhere. I'm running the 1200 VFR but have had no problems or concerns with the bike it's too bad Honda stopped making the 12's and if you can find one with the DCT it's even better for longevity and Daily commutes no matter what the distance is.
Ok im 63, 6'2, 230. I cant really afford a new bike I don't ride a whole lot but whenvi do I want to carve up some mountain roads. Would I be happy on the cbr 600 for say an hour mabey 2 hour ride? Or mabey the slightly taller heavier vfr provided I can find 1.
Enjoyed the vid.
Ps trying to stay away from liter or more due to insurance.
Just bought my 07 vfr800 rwb this year. Seems to be a pretty good bike.
How is it man?
Those vfr bikes are like a mix of an r1, Ducati and bmw , sound amazing 🤩 iv heard people say they are heavy but I'd love one. Seen a beautiful purple/ blue one with gold wheels before and fell in love with them
I've had my 02 VFR800 for 2 years now, It was love at first sight. Definitely gives you an appreciation for V4 engines.
In particular the ones made by someone else
Two of my dream bikes. I have the CBR600rr, but I have yet to find a VFR800 with undertail exhaust.
Love silver too!! Shinning colour! VFR is so cool, great performance!
They are both awesome bikes, but it what you’re going to use it for. The cbr600rr is one of my favourite sports bikes ever, but I LOVE the VFR and if it were my money, I know I’d benefit more from the VFR as I’d be doing long miles on it.
Really though, you can’t go wrong with either :)
I want a VFR sooo bad (Fadeless White Pearl Tricoat)
VTEC yo!
Nice... Honda makes great bikes I had 2 VFR's past 15 yrs. 2 bikes is cool.
do 3000 mile trip on each of these bikes over a week, and then make your comments
Five years late I know but I have a 1980 Yamaha XS 1.1 and it's a pig at low speed but wow it becomes a dream when cruising. I think every bike has a perfect place and time when it just makes sense. Of these two the VFR would be my choice but in the 600 range I'd have an R6. That said I'd take a TZR 250 over and R6. 😁
Always loved the Honda CBR600 !
Gorgeous bike !
How to compare the CBR 1100 BlackBird with CBR 1000rr ?
I like the bird, but have fear that weight be a bad thing...
The CBR600RR is a very pretty bike. But if you're spending hours at a time in the saddle? You'll pick the VFR every time after you ride it once.
Nice 2 bikes, but you got the wrong VFR, try a 2000, cascading pinions to the head, no VTEC. Bulletproof motor, will out drag race the VTEC same top speed. But you miss the biiggest points. A VFR will take a cute girl on the back seat, it's completely stable, the power shrugs off the extra weight, you can even add a tank bag, throw over baggage and tour Europe. You take a CBR600R/RR or 900 sports bike and stick a girl on the back helicopter pad and it is unstable, frightningly so. I have done all of these things. Now The 2000 800 was not the most beutiful, for that you have to go to the first VFR750, in red, when you say it has everything, it had. The sidestand had it's own fairing. I have never seen that on another bike. I had one, of course it got stolen
Took my blackbird for an mot and the guy must have been mid 70's, man he manouvered that thing around like it was a push bike! He just knew all the tricks. Both look Nice great vid. I'd love a 954
V for Victory :), sound, torque, real world fun,comfort....everything Honda made the VFR to be :)
Would a VFR800 make a good first bike or is it too big and powerful? FYI, I am a short guy , at 5' 6" tall; and I weigh only 130 lbs. Also, I am an older, responsible adult, 48 yrs. old.
The main reason I'm asking is because, where I live, I'm seeing beautiful VFR800s with low miles, that are the same price as Ninja 300s. Small bikes, like the Ninja 300, for example, seem like such a rip off when you can get a VFR800, with the same mileage, for the same price, or even cheaper in some cases. As an example, what would you do if you had a choice between buying a 2013 Ninja 300 or a 2006 VFR800 in showroom condition, same mileage as the Ninja, both asking $3,000? There's even a 1998 VFR800 in my area, asking $2,000...In one of your videos, you said that the 1998 is the best year for the VFR800. It's frustrating because the small bikes are so expensive, for what you get. Note, in regards to the 1998 VFR, according to the online specs, it weighs only 458 pounds, better suited for a beginner rider.
You say your being sarcastic about loosing the gear cams, I'm awaiting delivery on my first VFR, a 5th gen I bought because I wanted gear cams (I heard them as a kid it's my bucket list bike).
What's your grife with them?
So yours is a 6th gen then I presume, I do like your CBR Tbh it was very hard for me not to buy one due to the size but bucket list won lol, I've also got a KTM 450 as a chuck around (and do track days in my MR2) so thought tourer makes more sense over super sport for me, that's one good looking CBR tho damn tempting you got two lovely bikes which I'm sure you already know..👍👌👍
I am looking to buy a 25th anniversary addition VFR800 2008, Tri-color with the same updates you put in your bike plus the factory color matched side cases, do you think 6500 is a fair price?
I love my VFR! Two Brother's make it sound oh so sweet....
I've owned both bikes and if I owned both together (which I did for a month), the CBR600 would never get ridden! Love the VFR..
Would you mind making comparison between NR750 and CBR1100XX Blackbird?
... That's why I bought VFR800fi '98.
I know it's older, but it's just more reliable then vtec model.
i might buy a VFR (i have a 2007 er6n (ninja 650r in the US) and an xj6n) because it's known to be reliable. I just wonder if it's not too heavy compared to the motorcycle i have, i also don't know if i'll buy a vfr 750 or vfr 800 fi..
If it was track days only, the 600RR would be the obvious choice. But for real world street riding? The VFR blows it away. And I've owned both, plus 900rrs and R1s and others...
I'm a Devon fan for sure however a don't think he Kan win against Laletin, Morozov or Kvikvinina again without bulking up. If he want to hold he heavy weight no1 spot he need to be challenged at least 3 times a year. If he go for supers full in i actually think he would give Gasparini a really good and close fight. He just have to close the strength and weight gap
Plagued with problems? My 5th gen dont have a plague. LOL No cam chain tensioner since no cam chain: GEAR Cam, no oxygen sensor, no gimmick Vtec. 5th gen is best.
No way the CBR is as comfortable with that racing seat. The Vtec valves are ridiculous in complexity
bro, VFR stands for, okay, VRacing, so you got out of the line when said "built for different reasons", VFR has racing roots from races and as for 600cc bikes - not really sure why they exists, for canyon once or twise a year or track day, but you have to get to those places somehow lol
you complain about the weight????? at 25 years old??? im 50 and have a road king that 850 pounds.... shut up
I'd much prefer the vfr. I'm old, fat...I ride a Blackbird, that's what I'm used too. Don't want a tiny bike, either in engine size or frame.
It's the weekend; which keys are you grabbing?
You're going to work; which keys are you grabbing?
The CBR just sounds crap compared to the VFR. Nothing beats the open exhaust V4 growl, makes me grin every time I push the start button... Four headlights, linked brakes, weather protection, stability in strong winds is also a pro for the 800.
Yes! The VFR is such a well rounded machine, I love it!
Szlejer, a sport V-twin with a pipe is right up there with the V4. Honda Superhawk, Suzuki SV650, piped? OMG. Eargasm.
Szlejer that’s why I prefer my r1200rt. Comfort is night and day from my r1.
I'm 55 & I think you have two awesome bikes.the 07/08 cbr 600rr's are the best looking supersports imo & also are comf & are fast & handle like a dream. The vfr is way more practical for street riding with the comfy ergos & low end torque. The stance & bodywork & exhaust on the cbr is beautiful, you have the best of both worlds. Don't ever get rid of them!
Thank you! I will hold onto them as long as I can!
Hey man, did you replace the exhaust pipes yourself on the vfr? Looking for guidance on how to do it, since the stock exhaust doesn’t just slip off
Can anyone tell me which is better between this shape vfr800 and a more modern suzuki 1250fa? I can't decide on which should be my next bike as they appear to be quite similar
I rode a VFR800 for a commuter. It was "meh". Accidentally ended up on an FZ6. HOLY CRAP! I love my FZ6. 98HP, 14,000rpm, i love the thing.
Yeah, 14k RPM sounds GREAT for commuting...
V tec is not variable valve timing it's more complicated than that the actual cam lobe and lift gets bigger at a Sertain rpm to produce more torque pretty amazing
DIY Tutorials And More the vtec in a vfr isn't like the car engines. It doesn't change cam profile, it opens another intake valve
Technically it is. C+P from Wiki. "The simplified motorcycle version of VTEC employs only two of the four valves per cylinder when operating at lower engine speeds. All four valves per cylinder are engaged above approximately 6,800 rpm. This is initiated by an electronically actuated oil spool valve, which send oil pressure to the lifter actuators, which then move the engagement pins into place above the valve stem, allowing the remaining two valves to open. This design allows for *variable valve timing* as well, since the cam lobe profiles can be made different."
I know this is 6 years old, but the timing chain tensioner on your cbr600 needs changing 😂😂
nothing , absolutly nothing sounds better than a 600cc inline four that screams full throtle at 15k rpms in 6th gear on the highway ...:)
I own a 98 VfR 800 and will tell you the gear driven cams where way over modified to last the life of the bike I wouldn’t mind a sports bike but my VFR Def does what I want
I mean, it depends on what you like. I have a 74 CB-750 with a Header into a Hallow Trumpet that I feel sounds better then both.
The VFR has 4 headlights not two. Vtec is a joke. No reason for it. No one else ever needed it. It’s what makes the valve check impossible to do.
You notice the weight because you're worthless and weak. Now drop and give me 20 - Doug Neidermeyer
haha i have a GS adventure 1250 and a VFR800 and its like a toy in comparison to move around
Imo Vtec is kinda pointless on a motorcycle. Motorcycles generally get way better gas mileage than cars even without it, so it just adds more complexity to a machine you'd otherwise just maintain in your garage.
As a meganic i will say this, i like them both. Bud an inline engine ride better and is faster and lower cost to keep riding. Also all v engine,s 2 ore 4 cilinder will brake down faster and use more gasoline. So Money wise a vfr is not so smart. That a side, love them both.
I’ve owned 5 vfr and this guy says the 600 is better in the canyons does not understand the pedigree of the vfr I took mine on dragons tail and passed Maori than a handful of in line fours. Then he cries about how heavy it is I would put mine on the kickstand and pull it up so nothing is touching the ground but the kickstand and do a 180 or put it anywhere I needed too .what a crappy review .
The VFR is a great every-day-bike for nearly every purpose, the CBR is a toy...
If the VFR lost 50-75 pounds, it would be absolutely perfect, I think. Maybe chill with the vtec adjustments and bring back gear driven cams and other reliability standards.
Maybe I missed it but one big difference is insurance cost.
I got full coverage on my VFR for 250 a year.
I own a 2007 6th Gen VFR, a 2005 Suzuki SV1000s and a couple of inline 4s (Kawsaki ZZR 600 and a Honda CB600F Hornet) and they all have their advantages/disadvantages. I live in California and have an urban commute and have had a different experience from you in terms of choosing my favorite commuter. I prefer my ZZR 600 for commuting for several reasons;
(1) The VFR runs hot here in California in the summer. The side-mounted radiators don't cool the bike as quick in slow moving city traffic. It can get up to 115 here in July through September.
(2) The ZZR is SKINNY - great for lane-splitting here where it is legal. Some of the roads I travel on are too narrow to fit the VFR between stationary traffic lanes.
(3) The VFR is heavy, making low speed handling more of a pain when commuting in urban areas.
(4) I HATE the V-TEC in the lower gears - too notchy for me in 1st and 2nd, making commuting less enjoyable. It's fine at speed and less noticeable in higher gears.
(4) I find I-4s easier to ride in low-speed conditions like my commute. The linear power response makes them more predictable and they just seem to handle better at low RPMs.
I do actually commute on all of them, but find the Hornet and the ZZR my favorite for those types of riding, with the SV being great for the twisties and the VFR great for long distances...
I do 100% agree that lane splitting on a VFR is noticeably harder than other bikes. Also the VTEC is quite annoying sometimes.
I own a 02 VFR 800 and after watching how to vids on YT I’ve realized you don’t have to remove anything to do an oil change on the VFR!! There is plenty of space to reach in the front and access the filter. The oil drains with no issue as well. Took me 15 mins to do it to!!
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2000 cbr 600 f4 vs the vfr 800
how do you determine which one you want to ride for the day, or situation?
awesome bikes! Its great to see what you're setup is and to hear what u think of them. I use the cbr600rr 2003 for the twisties and trips that arn't to long (less then 2 days) and for commuting And long trips I have the kawasaki Z750 2013 (my touring/hooligan bike ^^ ) love them both :)
the two bros exhaust on the 600 sounds so good. lol
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HeroRR lol jk, love ur vids bro. keep up!
Sounds like you were trying to convince yourself that the cbr looks better.
Very good job on this video