00:00 Intro 04:38 Nicol-(AM) | Christianity's Approach To Marriage Is The Best 28:41 Joe-KA | Frustrated With Atheist Responses To The Problem Of Evil 54:58 Hay Z-LA | If Evolution Is True How Can There Be Order In The World? 1:17:33 Kevin-WI | Is Science Based On Unjustified Assumptions? 1:40:42 Outro
Nicol sounds like every incel caricature ever. “I’m a man so I should be the boss and decide everything for no discernible reason. Why doesn’t any woman want to be with me?”
If he really is from Armenia there are women who are raised to behave according to that (well, there are such women everywhere but Armenian women in general are taught to be submissive). Beating/raping/abusing your wife is not a crime in Armenia, it's expected.
@@atyrannosaurusrex Hence my statement "there are such women everywhere". I mean, I literally clarified it so everyone should get that and yet you did not?
Very happy with the 2023 format. There's a sense of continuance re the quality of debate after the host changes last year. Always a worry when change happens. Keep up the good work team.
Nicol just admit you want to be an authority over someone. You just want someone who you can exercise control over. You don't want a partner, you want a subordinate.
I understand your frustration but please don't throw all potential mates "under the bus" because of this one caller with archaic views on gender norms. I'm sure you were colloquially using a broad brush in your statement, but there are still a lot of good ones out there. 😁
Conspiracy theory: Darth Dawkins has no followers. Every presup caller is just him putting on a slightly different voice. He's just an out-of-work voice actor with too much time on his hands.
Yes exacly and on top of that when hosts wanted to ask questions about his view becouse something have no sense like essense he laught at them becusr "you interrupted me" yes they do becouse you are saing nothing
Yeah, the unjustified arrogance of presups is always fascinating to observe. That word salad had so many things in it just taken as natural ingredients and there's SO much work to still do to make that salad palatable. It comes off as so lazy and not at all compelling.
The one reason I hate conversations like the one Kevin uses is that Kevin and people like him only use those types of arguments for a god. They don't invoke all those silly assumptions when they want to know how anything else works. Sure it might be fun for some to go down rabbit holes like that but in the end, the phrase "God is necessary to have knowledge, I have knowledge therefore God" is the same to me as "Fairies are necessary to think, I think therefore Fairies." What a stupid waste of time.
Nicol, what is so hard to understand about, "without religious dogma, people are free to form whatever mutually beneficial relationship they choose so long as someone else will share it with them"? I'm only a few minutes in and this is already heading down a very dangerous path.
First caller (Nicol) was something what i didn't believe still exist in modern world. I'm still trying to figure how it's possible to think like that way.
@@technic4803 so... if u hear somebody saying" i can jump from a 10 story high building and land on my feet and walk away after that with no problem"(like the vampire selene in the underworld movie)...and that phrase is also written in a book that says that is god word and god can do that, u'll believe it on faith?!?! is that wt u're telling me???🤨 despite the fact that we know from the medical point of view that biologically,jumping from 10 story high building and walking away is impossible. not only that,but u'll most likely die,or best case scenario u'll have multiple fractures and barely survive and be sure that u'll be paralyzed from waist down and never use those legs again😵💫😵 yet, u're telling me that u can believe such a thing on faith??? lmfao😂😂😂 the whole bible is similar to the analogy i made. it was written by stupid ppl,who didnt know how the universe around them works and they assumed stuff based on their feelings and intuition and went on believing it on faith. thats why everything in the bible is wrong,bc science is the best method to find out how the universe around us and reality works. in science,there is no faith and we make conclusions based on results that evidences provide,even if we dont like it, instead based on feelings and intuition. this is why science works and faith is not a good way to find out the truth about a phenomena🙂
I've been an atheist since about 13, my husband was raised a Christian but is an agnostic. We got married in City Hall 19 years ago and we work very well as partners in the marriage. We seek each other's opinions and advice and we understand some decisions require both of our input while others don't. All the divorced people I know personally (family and friends) were married in a church and some had traditional roles. I don't need a religion to tell me to treat my husband with respect. 🙄
Yes, my eldest brother when he first had kids he bought a book on how to be a good parent. Now I'm not against acquiring knowledge, but lets just say he went through being a Christain (basically angry) stage in his teens, and didn't reflect the empathetic type at all. Anyway, after his multiple wives and multiple kids (all my nieces and nephews) well lets just say he left ALL of them! I did have some time with them up to about age 5 or 6 area, but soon after in every relationship with multiple children, he left them ALL. Zero empathy in my view. (they are all grown now, one in prison I heard, but we all missed out on them forever really). I honestly feel churches tend to attract people who lack basic reasoning skills, empathy, that type of thing. I have noticed a general theme with Pastors; Priests etc. They all seem to be lying arrogant abusive pri@ks! Now I suppose there must be many loving kind reasoning (not too sure on that one) healthy minded parent Christains out there, but it may just be me (personal observations) but they all believe their children are God's children, and as far as I can see the children seem to luckily grow up to adults! Since they are constantly placed in the worst environment, for instance church!
It's not about religion don't you atheist get it. It's about loving God selflessly. Not living for the material things in life. I feel I have to tell you these things because I want you to be saved when Jesus comes. Just give it some thought please
@@johnbrown9802 So not the Hindu Gods then? Or Scientologist God, or the Prophet Muhammad's words? Not the 10,000 other claimed Gods, you say its the Jesus God about loving? Does he love women equal to men? What about gays who of course act like gays? Does he love me an atheist? Here's a quote friom the Bible: (Its a red line Jesus character quote). Bring the unbelievers to me and slay them in front of me. Is that loving? You know how the Jesus character of the Bible comes with a sword in public? Is that a loving action? What weopon would he choose today I wonder? A machine gun? A bomb? I don't think that's loving at all. Did you know that Christainity is known as the most discriminatory religion of them all? The OT even said get your slaves from the nations around you! Is that loving? Is it loving to die for others crimes (sins, but we threw sins out of civilized nations of course) BUT if the victim is not Christain they get punished, and the abuser goes to claimed Heaven if his sins are repented? That's not loving isn't it? That's why we threw out all claimed Jesus sins and replaced them with the far greater secular laws method. Do you know ALL religious people not of Christainity and non religous and all the people before the claimed Jesus era still loved each other? Did you think no one else loves? I wouldn't want Christain love, as its horrible. Do women serrve MAN as man serves God? Is that a command? So... men do nothing (as no God commands coming at all, and women do everything? That's not loving! Shouldn't love be equally expressed between loving parters? I don't think you understand, Christainity is definitely NOT loving. If I chose words to describe it, it would be irrational fears and love of morbid death! But no concern, as not a shred of evidence to believe in this outdated nonsense. None.
@@kimsland999My go to two words to describe Christianity is Fear and Misery. I am so much less miserable now than I was as a Christian, and I am so much less fearful. By the way, you forgot the part about rapist paying their victim's father a fine and the victim being forced to marry her attacker. I've come to this realization recently that Christians tend to either ignore and gloss over, willfully or otherwise, the bad things in the Bible. When I came to this realization, it came with the companion realization that I did the same as a Christian. I do not blame them, indoctrination is a powerful tool.
Caller 1: what if two men are business partners with equal shares in the company? Can two men compromise on business decisions? If no, why not? If yes, why can't a married couple operate the same way?
You can hear that the quran got to him. It's just as bad as the bible on male and female roles, and that whole bullshit con, and even if he's not religious, it's ingrained in the society he lives in and him too,as he made pretty clear.
For Nicol, my wife and I have a needlepoint we got when we got married that we rely on: The goal of marriage is not to think alike, but to think together. Oh wait, this guy is going off the rails. I thought he was serious...
1. Whiskey exists. 2. Everything exists. 3. You can't account for everything without whiskey. 4. Whiskey is the foundation of everything aka god. How's my presup? I only hit my head 16 times with a shovel to get here, but I think it's coming along GREAT
Nicol sounds terrifying... He seems to be suggesting women are meatbags simply built for babies and taking orders. Almost certainly a Jordan Peterson fanboy.
Waitaminit....I thought that was the case (re:brood mares aren't people).....did I miss a meeting? *FEMINISM IS THE RADICAL NOTION THAT WOMEN ARE PEOPLE*
@@barndoor1262 what do you mean? both Nicol and Peterson are talking about the natural order governing relationships and dominance hierarchies being preferable. JBP just isn't as explicit because he's smart
MD AWARE really made a point that every living thing is "just able" to be what it is without having to change. I've never really thought about evolution being just that. EXCELLENT
%1000 that first Armenian caller is a Jordan Peterson fan. That guy sounds like he's from the 1950's for real. And couldn't see how he's just wrong about men having to make the decisions. All that shit is cultural, man.
@@francodalpozzo7533 I've never gotten that impression from him ever. I've heard Peterson go off on wildly anti LGBT rants, but never once mentioned anything about "full equality".
@@Wiggimus He'll mention it when it's needed to gain more incel fans, so far they don't like equality because otherwise how can the woman be the baddie?
@@francodalpozzo7533 Except that he does not, at all. His idea is that males are better at making decisions and women are emotional rather than rational (which is absolutely false). I don't get why he's popular at all? I mean he's just making shit up that his audience likes to hear. He's not a scientist, he's not a psychiatrist, he's just some rando that has some lower level degree in a pseudo science where anything you make up is as true as anything else.
Kevin sounds like a DarthDawkins acolyte, he certainly is rude and arrogant enough to fit the bill. Ive never studied philosophy so please correct me if Im wrong, but it seems to me that he was presenting a God of the Gaps fallacy while Begging the Question and supporting it with Word Salad via a Scripted Message. We all rely on certain axioms that are needed to be able to function in any real capacity, and instead of accepting those axioms he replaces them with "Christian God", but utterly fails to support his premise which would make it nothing more than a baseless presupposition.
Kevin, its simple. So far all of the evidence points to uniformity of nature. Does that give us 100% certainty? Nope, but until there is a reason to doubt it then there's no reason to really doubt it.
And that's where I get off the red-pill express. Generalities are all well and good but they're just that. I do have the final say in many areas of my marriage but it's only because we've agreed on the areas. There's nothing inherent in being a man that should make me the defacto final say in anything. We're both easy going and get along great so I can't think of anything one of us has fought the other for.
@@miconis123 _I do have the final say in many areas of my marriage.......... so I can't think of anything one of us has fought the other for_ Can you please state that to your partner and then get back to us? Unless you would be afraid t? Which wouldn't make sense really. Therefore do it.
@@miconis123 Sure, having different duties and responsibilities is a given in any marriage but only as far as you can agree on it. It's still important to inform each other before making any major decisions that affect the other. The point MRA/incel/MGTOW/Redpillers/Blackpillers want to make is that all decisions, including what the woman is allowed to wear and do, should be made by the man and if she disagrees she's not worth your effort.
One of the calls that made me boil with rage. I wonder if he'd be find with a woman as leader telling him what to do... After all it's all about having a leader, no? He shouldn't care about who's the leader if he's honest...
I like that Kevin walked in feeling like an expert about to blow everyone’s minds. He was so out of his depth that his only remaining tactic was to bicker about who was cutting who off.
The Great Oxidation Event that formed the bands of iron ore streaking our entire planet is a really good explanation as to how we and other organisms came to breathe oxygen.
Poor Kevin. So frustrated that not everyone accepts his assertions and presuppositions. The total arrogance of theists never ceases to amuse and annoy me. I love how they get so arsey when others don't just accept their bullshit. I think he's a little too fond of his own voice and his argument.
Kevin - there is only science or guessing. Science is only testing guesses for consistency. Assumptions are made for the sake of discussion. Like language, it merely an agreement on rules that makes communication possible.
56:15 Hay Z: "I've deeply thought about it." (Shows that she hasn't deeply thought about.) "I'm not completely well-versed in all of it." (Shows that she's not even slightly well-versed in in any of it.)
Is there some sort of presup starter pack that comes with a droning voice, a delusional entitlement to people's time and attention, and an endless supply of meaningless word salad with no connection to reality?
I am an atheist and have been since I was about 8 years old, I am now 70 and my wife and I have been married for just over 50 years, I love my wife as much now, if not more, as the day we were married, we were married in a registry office so you don't need religion to have a happy marriage, my wife and I are absolutely equal in everything, I am not the boss over her and I don't want to be. We had two great kids and now have two fantastic granddaughters, my wife was a stay at home mother and made decisions all the time and I went along with what she decided and that happened vice versa.
Yeah, I've heard him before. I don't know if he used the same name but whatever subject it was he started with he soon got on to his dominance fantasy. I hope he isn't married, whatever his cultural background may be.
1:00:45 "I'm not saying everything is perfect." 56:02 "One of the biggest things is how everything is perfectly... perfectly lines up in order." Which is it?
Kevin sounds cool and reasonable. They are always the funniest and wrongest in the end. He starts sounding frantic when they push back. Good stuff, Kevin.😂
yeah he failed as he couldnt argue as to why his god was necessary. He just made lots of claims and stated they were necessary. Matt would have cut him down quicker but at least the hosts let him ramble long enough to highlight the problems with his god idea
@Technic I always wonder if people like you really understand just how much quotes from a barbaric book from thousands of years ago really mean to us. Do you do it just to troll... or what? You must know it means nothing.
@Technic Not a troll? just a Desperate, preachy type trying to corral people into your chosen mythology in order to make you feel secure in your mistakery ! Why dont you find some small,easily frightened children to convert? you're talking to adults here who can think for themselves! you Wont find any ready converts here!
AHHH HAHHAHHHAH JMike's expression when Hay-Zed says "evolution says we all come from nothing" Never before have I seen such a constipated (consternated?) face on "TV" 🤣🤣🤣
With Nicol, if my Signifiant Other wants to move to the Phillipines, and I don't, well we have options. We can split up over it if our views are at odds far enough. We can discuss options about it and come to an agreement. If I was just like "no, and that's final" to something that meant a whole lot to her, guess what, I'd be a crappy partner.
That’s what the “kids” argument he kept trying to bring up never mattered to me. Every time my parents argued over something small, my exact line was “FOR FUCKS SAKE, FIX YOUR MARRAIGE OR GET A DIVORCE!”
i've the feeling that Nicol speaking of himself... "I told her to obey and agreed with every decision i choose for our lives, like be ok to go where i told her when she want go live in another country.... And she don't and leave me. I'm so perfect and godly how could she had done that to me. Not obeing the bible is so mean and dangerous for a society, it lead to divorce and women allowed to not only not obey them master superior in thinking and others stuffs but even can take their own decision about themselves, like quit the one they marry. That's just bad for society and i'm now alone but got that book full of how i should live my life and threat others... We even can verify that because science said womens have hormons and we ALL knows hormons make people insane and only women had hormons.". No such love than the one in the bible: Love is worshipping. Obey or you'll have eternal torment. The most your life has to be miserable and full of suffering the most you'll have a big reward in the end. Oh and sorry if you're a woman you're only on this earth to make childs and to do what men told you. Make perfect sense, Nicol a true Xtian at heart. I'm wondering why with this logic women are even allowed to refuse a relationship because men are so those who knows and does better all important things but women are better to household chores where the greater male found just that boring. disclaimer: there could be some sarcasm in my comment. I don't think man is superior to woman by nature. If i think to it women are really better to stuff like making offspring when the role of a man is quite limited on that. Difference (as in biology) is not superiority and it's pointless most of the time to even think who's superior; lead to essentialism who is root of so bad in the world. A couple by definition is made of two, a leader of that is just denying that there's 2 ppl... Oh and male who don't think/want to take care of their own child(s) it's called a jerk i guess.
@@251rmartin but the christian god admits to creating evil and having evil within him. The only beings who think he is good are his followers who only read the parts of the book they like
@kissit012 um no? God does not admit to this at all lol. Evil and death came into the world from the sin of man. Maybe actually read Genesis and the rest of the pentateuch and come back
@@SNORKYMEDIA doesn't say that at all lol edit: when you read the Bible, I recommend reading it with the commentary of the early Church fathers, it will clear up a lot of confusion. Trust me. When I first read the parable of the talents I thought it meant actual talents. The footnote showed that talents was actually a currency at the time.
How people can worship a god that can sit back and watch a child being raped is beyond me. Also to believe jesus is going to descend from the clouds one day. I know one Christian and I don't know what is to say to someone so deluded?. I've had a few conversations with her and I feel there is nothing more to say to her. I'll quite happily bet some money they jesus won't appear this year or next? He's coming soon though right? The religious are just something else.
This atheist organizes his marriage mostly the same as Christians. The main exception is in mine it's just one man and one woman instead of one man, one woman, and one god. Everything is between us, no supernatural marriage counselor needed or wanted.
Nicol from Armenia needs to consider the idea that women are weird independant entities with their own kind of needs & desires - and also what if the bosshusband just decides to cancel the marriage? Also if 2 men are married to each other, should we decide who's boss using rocks or arm wrestling?
Want to know one major reason I left Christianity? The notion that Anne Frank would be in hell, but if one of her Nazi killers is Christian and "repents" ...oh! He goes to Heaven! As for me, if that's how gawd's mysterious ways work, then I'd rather suffer along with Holocaust victims than party up there with Nazis.
@@hozonkai9967 so if a Nazi repents, leaves his lifestyle and repents with a sincere heart and feels true remorse for his actions, he should not get into heaven for his past sins that he deeply regrets?
@@bananadave5323 The problem is that an innocent young woman of a different faith is condemned to hell, while her murderer gets to go to heaven. Try to keep up, Bananadave.
I have a slightly different view. I think they let Kevin have enough air time to show those who are scared of pre sups just how obnoxious and stupid they are. I remember my first encounter with a pre sup. They just set off and brow beat me. When you have only bible knowledge pre sups sound smart. Watching people like these two demolish the arguement easily and then listening to the pre sup go off like a fire cracker, is for me deacaryfy them and show them up as the idiots they are.
Nichol cares about what the bible says because it makes him important in his own mind - I sincerely hope no woman is involved with such an inadequate man.
JMike, usually I love you on this show, but you really dropped the ball with that evolution explanation. She was ready to listen and she needed the sort of grade school explanation that Forrest usually gives to these guys.
Women don’t know how to organize or control a relationship. Wow, I had no idea! That doesn’t bode well for my lesbian marriage. Sounds like our relationship is bound to collapse under the chaos any time now. Oh my! Thank you Nicol for explaining that our 35 year marriage can’t possibly function. OMG, now how am I going to explain all this to the grandkids?
Hope Nicol sees this but divorce was a great way for me not to suffer further in the relationship. watching my parents fight was not a good thing for me to learn how a relationship should be nor should i be crying in my bedroom, covering in my ears, as it is traumatic. Trauma is one thing the bible doesn't teach, psychology does, trauma is the one thing in life we should be aware of and should generally avoid if it's possible. People can't avoid the trauma of death, or the trauma of losing a parent when they move away, but they can avoid the trauma of screaming, beating, or being beaten.
Lol that last caller was very silly. Trying to say that the epistemology that got to the Internet and electricity and space travel is no good while presupposing essence and magic and gods which have given us zero useful results. How empty can he get?
re Nicol, (the first caller using the bible as a guide in family life)…. so if he has an unruly child, would he take him to the edge of his village to be stoned to death?
For Hay-Z. Does the water fit the puddle? Or was the puddle created to fit the puddle. Flora and Fauna fit the environment they are in, and will evolve to best survive as that environment changes.
Kevin is just yet another in a long line of presups that loves the smell of his own farts. His script just appears more intelligent. Asking clarification questions when you say stupid sh!t is how conversations work Kev. Jeez, the word salad.
I suspect you don't understand his argument. He might ask you, "Is 'truth' independent of human experience?" If yes, which is the standard reply, then you make a "theist-style" assumption, namely that your knowledge "depends" on something external to humanity - not just that there IS an external reality, but that there is some "intermediary force" regulating the relationship between you and reality. He would tell you this "dependence," this "intermediary force," is evidence for god. You are free to deny this, as JMike does, but you are still left with a "dependence" that you can't explain, left with a notion of "truth" that requires metaphysical assumptions that you may call "axioms." If not, then you are forced to give an account of "truth" that only references your experience and does not "depend" on anything external to humanity. If you tried to do this, he would accuse you of "relativism." There is no god, obviously, but Kevin makes a good philosophical point. Atheism demands pragmatism.
@@ericb9804 Not really, kevin would just be kicking the can there, because whatever "intermediary force" that regulates the relationship between me and reality, in itself would "depend" from another "intermediary force" - not just that there is an external god, to reality and myself, but that there is some "intermediary force" that regulates the relationship between this god, reality and myself. And on and on it goes the infinite regress (which is an actual good philosophical point, but it doesnt help kevin's). And as usual, if kevin can special plea that his god doesnt need this "intermediary force", then anyone else can claim reality doesnt need this "intermediary force" aswell. I mean, it is a good point, but it fails in the same way most other arguments for god does.
I hope the third caller calls in to Talk Heathen for a longer conversation. She sounded sincerely open to have the conversation and I was sorry it was cut short without encouraging her to call back.
@@hay_Z2021 if you genuinely wanted to understand evolution/natural selection you would go to your local library and read books on the subject. A cursory google search from the comfort of your armchair brings up resources for those with no knowledge of the subject to experts in that field. You don't want to learn about it because because it conflicts with your beliefs. At least be honest about it.
I genuinely hope Hay Z keeps asking questions and starts investigating her beliefs. She seems like she's relatively honest (at least compared to some callers)
@@hay_Z2021 You called up to talk about evolution, but you didn't have a clue what it was...how is that honest? Things were,'t designed for us, Hay...we just adapt to fit in. If we couldn't adapt (like millions of other species couldn't) you die out. That's why we're still here...we adapt. We evolve. If we didn't...we wouldn't be here now.
Lol, what? She was ignorant beyond parody. She should be absolutely ashamed of her complete lack of knowledge regarding even the BASICS of the things she doesn’t and does believe. “My dog was a witness”… “evolution says we came from nothing”… I don’t know if this person is a troll or has never even read the introductory Wikipedia entry on every topic she apparently feels so strongly about.
hayz lightning doesn't prove Zeus ...biology doesn't prove Yahweh or Brahma or other claimed space ghosts .....start by demonstrating the space ghost u believe in not by misunderstanding what we know about biology or lighting
No one because Jesus said to ‘love others the way I have loved you’. Nothing to do with how you want or deserve to be treated or any consideration for what is best for others.
Kevin - Wi is essentially pontificating his Christian God. He already concluded it's Christian god & only his Christian god & no other god. He just shoehorns an "argument" to fit his presupposition. Hence his attempt to support his claims with further claims with a dash of magic.
@Technic Don't forget the dicks! 👇 *Ezekiel 23:20* _"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses"_
I really wish Matt was here to talk to Kevin. He would have absolutely demolished Kevin’s smart alec jackass wordplay in a second. And as for your multiple “Can you let me talk…” Kevin, MD and JMike already let you talk far longer than they should have. You’re enough to do anyone’s head in after 2 minutes. Good grief.
00:00 Intro
04:38 Nicol-(AM) | Christianity's Approach To Marriage Is The Best
28:41 Joe-KA | Frustrated With Atheist Responses To The Problem Of Evil
54:58 Hay Z-LA | If Evolution Is True How Can There Be Order In The World?
1:17:33 Kevin-WI | Is Science Based On Unjustified Assumptions?
1:40:42 Outro
*KS
Thanking you time stamp person/s 🥰
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@@marcosolo6491 lol
@@marcosolo6491 Yes Mr insufferable, I'd also add conceited, arrogant to that .
Nicol sounds like every incel caricature ever. “I’m a man so I should be the boss and decide everything for no discernible reason. Why doesn’t any woman want to be with me?”
If he really is from Armenia there are women who are raised to behave according to that (well, there are such women everywhere but Armenian women in general are taught to be submissive). Beating/raping/abusing your wife is not a crime in Armenia, it's expected.
@@michaelmay5453 That's not just a problem in Armenia.
@@atyrannosaurusrex Hence my statement "there are such women everywhere".
I mean, I literally clarified it so everyone should get that and yet you did not?
I don’t see the connection to “Incels”. I just hear a misogynist caller.
@@michaelmay5453 My bad, my brain overlooked that statement. However, this wasn't meant as a correction but more as a "yes and".
MD Aware, you're hands down great at communication. Clear, respectful, actually trying to listen, calm and likeable. So there.
"Evolution is the belief that we came from nothing." This is what willful ignorance does to your brain.
Remarkable. How did Nicol call in from the 1700's?
His views are quiet common in Eastern Europe. It is more a cultural thing,
@@251rmartinThats what I was gonna say!
Very happy with the 2023 format. There's a sense of continuance re the quality of debate after the host changes last year. Always a worry when change happens. Keep up the good work team.
Just found the show, how did it change recently?
Nicol just admit you want to be an authority over someone. You just want someone who you can exercise control over. You don't want a partner, you want a subordinate.
I'll bet 10 bucks that he's not married himself
I figured that as well. There seems to be an online trend of spotty teen boys who think women should be subjugated. It’s creepy and alarming
He wants a prisoner.
Me too, but my wife said no.
"Some jobs are hard and that's why women don't do that". Dark ages mentality. Either that or Religious indoctrination...
This caller (the first one) is why I am single as a woman. The amount of times he says 'right' when he is clearly 'wrong' is truly amazing.
LOL
The host should have openly said NO woman should EVER have a relationship with that fool...
I understand your frustration but please don't throw all potential mates "under the bus" because of this one caller with archaic views on gender norms. I'm sure you were colloquially using a broad brush in your statement, but there are still a lot of good ones out there. 😁
I know, right!
😉
Most guys are not like that. I think he may have not have been a local guy , probably from Arkansas.
JMike says to caller: "that was enough word salad to end world hunger"...... JMike that was gold 😂
Word is my favourite kind of salad! I'll bring a fork!
A little intellectualism can be a horrible thing !, kevin is a master of deepities, but is about believable /" Real" as the Easter Bunny...
If only word salad could actually accomplish something meaningful.
Conspiracy theory: Darth Dawkins has no followers. Every presup caller is just him putting on a slightly different voice. He's just an out-of-work voice actor with too much time on his hands.
I would like to learn the ventriloquism power he woul show when everyone licks his main account at the same time.
If he was actually that dedicated/talented at something then I'd be mickey mouse
Kevin: “I don’t agree that you can just make assumptions. So I’m going to make the same assumptions and add a magical being on top!” 😂
Yes exacly and on top of that when hosts wanted to ask questions about his view becouse something have no sense like essense he laught at them becusr "you interrupted me" yes they do becouse you are saing nothing
Yeah, the unjustified arrogance of presups is always fascinating to observe. That word salad had so many things in it just taken as natural ingredients and there's SO much work to still do to make that salad palatable. It comes off as so lazy and not at all compelling.
The one reason I hate conversations like the one Kevin uses is that Kevin and people like him only use those types of arguments for a god. They don't invoke all those silly assumptions when they want to know how anything else works. Sure it might be fun for some to go down rabbit holes like that but in the end, the phrase "God is necessary to have knowledge, I have knowledge therefore God" is the same to me as "Fairies are necessary to think, I think therefore Fairies." What a stupid waste of time.
Exactly! He thinks he is so brilliant and has the arogance to try and control the hosts!
Darth Dawkins strike out again.
Nicol, what is so hard to understand about, "without religious dogma, people are free to form whatever mutually beneficial relationship they choose so long as someone else will share it with them"? I'm only a few minutes in and this is already heading down a very dangerous path.
Wow MD Aware was fantastic, please have him on more!! I always love J Mike of course, but MD and Forrest would also be awesome!!
Hearing Nicol is like hearing a voice from the 19th century!
@@ookeekthelibrarian 10th
Really entertaining for Kevin to come in trying to win a philosophical debate, with JMike hosting
additional laugh at JMike downplaying his expertise
First caller (Nicol) was something what i didn't believe still exist in modern world. I'm still trying to figure how it's possible to think like that way.
And he probably does not believe the missing link exists...
One word explains how it’s still possible to think that way, religion.
i hope he never gets married,bc it will be bad for his wife and kids🙁
ppl like him dont need to pass on their genes lol😁
@@technic4803 Faith is gullibly believing something without evidence or even against evidence.
@@technic4803 so... if u hear somebody saying" i can jump from a 10 story high building and land on my feet and walk away after that with no problem"(like the vampire selene in the underworld movie)...and that phrase is also written in a book that says that is god word and god can do that, u'll believe it on faith?!?! is that wt u're telling me???🤨
despite the fact that we know from the medical point of view that biologically,jumping from 10 story high building and walking away is impossible. not only that,but u'll most likely die,or best case scenario u'll have multiple fractures and barely survive and be sure that u'll be paralyzed from waist down and never use those legs again😵💫😵
yet, u're telling me that u can believe such a thing on faith??? lmfao😂😂😂
the whole bible is similar to the analogy i made. it was written by stupid ppl,who didnt know how the universe around them works and they assumed stuff based on their feelings and intuition and went on believing it on faith. thats why everything in the bible is wrong,bc science is the best method to find out how the universe around us and reality works. in science,there is no faith and we make conclusions based on results that evidences provide,even if we dont like it, instead based on feelings and intuition.
this is why science works and faith is not a good way to find out the truth about a phenomena🙂
I've been an atheist since about 13, my husband was raised a Christian but is an agnostic. We got married in City Hall 19 years ago and we work very well as partners in the marriage. We seek each other's opinions and advice and we understand some decisions require both of our input while others don't. All the divorced people I know personally (family and friends) were married in a church and some had traditional roles.
I don't need a religion to tell me to treat my husband with respect. 🙄
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Yes, my eldest brother when he first had kids he bought a book on how to be a good parent.
Now I'm not against acquiring knowledge, but lets just say he went through being a Christain (basically angry) stage in his teens, and didn't reflect the empathetic type at all.
Anyway, after his multiple wives and multiple kids (all my nieces and nephews) well lets just say he left ALL of them!
I did have some time with them up to about age 5 or 6 area, but soon after in every relationship with multiple children, he left them ALL. Zero empathy in my view. (they are all grown now, one in prison I heard, but we all missed out on them forever really).
I honestly feel churches tend to attract people who lack basic reasoning skills, empathy, that type of thing.
I have noticed a general theme with Pastors; Priests etc. They all seem to be lying arrogant abusive pri@ks!
Now I suppose there must be many loving kind reasoning (not too sure on that one) healthy minded parent Christains out there, but it may just be me (personal observations) but they all believe their children are God's children, and as far as I can see the children seem to luckily grow up to adults! Since they are constantly placed in the worst environment, for instance church!
It's not about religion don't you atheist get it. It's about loving God selflessly. Not living for the material things in life. I feel I have to tell you these things because I want you to be saved when Jesus comes. Just give it some thought please
@@johnbrown9802 So not the Hindu Gods then? Or Scientologist God, or the Prophet Muhammad's words?
Not the 10,000 other claimed Gods, you say its the Jesus God about loving?
Does he love women equal to men? What about gays who of course act like gays? Does he love me an atheist? Here's a quote friom the Bible: (Its a red line Jesus character quote).
Bring the unbelievers to me and slay them in front of me.
Is that loving? You know how the Jesus character of the Bible comes with a sword in public? Is that a loving action? What weopon would he choose today I wonder? A machine gun? A bomb? I don't think that's loving at all.
Did you know that Christainity is known as the most discriminatory religion of them all? The OT even said get your slaves from the nations around you! Is that loving?
Is it loving to die for others crimes (sins, but we threw sins out of civilized nations of course) BUT if the victim is not Christain they get punished, and the abuser goes to claimed Heaven if his sins are repented? That's not loving isn't it? That's why we threw out all claimed Jesus sins and replaced them with the far greater secular laws method.
Do you know ALL religious people not of Christainity and non religous and all the people before the claimed Jesus era still loved each other? Did you think no one else loves? I wouldn't want Christain love, as its horrible.
Do women serrve MAN as man serves God? Is that a command?
So... men do nothing (as no God commands coming at all, and women do everything? That's not loving! Shouldn't love be equally expressed between loving parters? I don't think you understand, Christainity is definitely NOT loving. If I chose words to describe it, it would be irrational fears and love of morbid death!
But no concern, as not a shred of evidence to believe in this outdated nonsense. None.
@@kimsland999My go to two words to describe Christianity is Fear and Misery. I am so much less miserable now than I was as a Christian, and I am so much less fearful. By the way, you forgot the part about rapist paying their victim's father a fine and the victim being forced to marry her attacker. I've come to this realization recently that Christians tend to either ignore and gloss over, willfully or otherwise, the bad things in the Bible. When I came to this realization, it came with the companion realization that I did the same as a Christian. I do not blame them, indoctrination is a powerful tool.
Caller 1: what if two men are business partners with equal shares in the company? Can two men compromise on business decisions? If no, why not? If yes, why can't a married couple operate the same way?
You can hear that the quran got to him. It's just as bad as the bible on male and female roles, and that whole bullshit con, and even if he's not religious, it's ingrained in the society he lives in and him too,as he made pretty clear.
Do they both have beards?
he used a time machine powered by misogyny.
Wait, two married men? Good point who would be in charge according to the Christain?
Because Bible
Nicol is a billboard for atheism
For Nicol, my wife and I have a needlepoint we got when we got married that we rely on:
The goal of marriage is not to think alike, but to think together.
Oh wait, this guy is going off the rails. I thought he was serious...
1. Whiskey exists.
2. Everything exists.
3. You can't account for everything without whiskey.
4. Whiskey is the foundation of everything aka god.
How's my presup? I only hit my head 16 times with a shovel to get here, but I think it's coming along GREAT
You remind me of someone. Someone with an English accent who is very handsome (under the helmet) and very good at the sex.
@@ojrmk1 I said the same thing, but my comment vanished. 🤬
I totally disagree and do not know how you would come up with that. I say something similar but it is Rum. Whiskey is not needed in this scenario.
Whiskey is the foundation of everything? Must be the wholly spirit.
@@cnault3244 HA, well maybe. Think it depends on where you are from.
Nicol sounds terrifying... He seems to be suggesting women are meatbags simply built for babies and taking orders. Almost certainly a Jordan Peterson fanboy.
nah, his views are quiet common in Eastern Europe. It is more a cultural thing,
Waitaminit....I thought that was the case (re:brood mares aren't people).....did I miss a meeting?
*FEMINISM IS THE RADICAL NOTION THAT WOMEN ARE PEOPLE*
Look, I have disgust for Peterson fanboys as well, but let's not be inaccurate here. There are better reasons to attack them and this is not one.
@@barndoor1262 what do you mean? both Nicol and Peterson are talking about the natural order governing relationships and dominance hierarchies being preferable. JBP just isn't as explicit because he's smart
@Dellon Collins I appreciate your reply. Could you give a source for that (if you have the time), please?
When Hay Z either didn’t understand or bother to answer the nitrogen question I knew the call would go nowhere.
Nicol pushes the goalposts so far that he enters “no longer a relationship” territory.
MD AWARE really made a point that every living thing is "just able" to be what it is without having to change. I've never really thought about evolution being just that. EXCELLENT
%1000 that first Armenian caller is a Jordan Peterson fan.
That guy sounds like he's from the 1950's for real.
And couldn't see how he's just wrong about men having to make the decisions.
All that shit is cultural, man.
That's patently absurd. It sounds like you've never actually listened to Petersen. He advocates full equality in relationships.
@@francodalpozzo7533 I've never gotten that impression from him ever. I've heard Peterson go off on wildly anti LGBT rants, but never once mentioned anything about "full equality".
@@francodalpozzo7533 Does he though? Because that's not remotely anything I've ever gotten from his views.
@@Wiggimus He'll mention it when it's needed to gain more incel fans, so far they don't like equality because otherwise how can the woman be the baddie?
@@francodalpozzo7533 Except that he does not, at all. His idea is that males are better at making decisions and women are emotional rather than rational (which is absolutely false).
I don't get why he's popular at all? I mean he's just making shit up that his audience likes to hear. He's not a scientist, he's not a psychiatrist, he's just some rando that has some lower level degree in a pseudo science where anything you make up is as true as anything else.
“That was enough word salad to end world hunger” 🌈
that was a gem...
They should check out the likes of t-biscuit's word salads.
I liked that you put quote marks around it to let us know you had heard it somewhere. I always do that too. There's nothing original on the Internet
TAG is not word salad, jeez it’s quite a complex argument, sure, but comparing it to word salad is disrespectful
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How can there be callers like Kevin who go on and on and on and on and on and then say, "why won't you let me speak?" FFS. 🙄
The type of argument Kevin puts across absolutely puts me to sleep.
and its nonsense designed to sound plausible
Kevin sounds like a DarthDawkins acolyte, he certainly is rude and arrogant enough to fit the bill.
Ive never studied philosophy so please correct me if Im wrong, but it seems to me that he was presenting a God of the Gaps fallacy while Begging the Question and supporting it with Word Salad via a Scripted Message.
We all rely on certain axioms that are needed to be able to function in any real capacity, and instead of accepting those axioms he replaces them with "Christian God", but utterly fails to support his premise which would make it nothing more than a baseless presupposition.
$100 that Kevin knows Darth.
Kevin, its simple. So far all of the evidence points to uniformity of nature.
Does that give us 100% certainty? Nope, but until there is a reason to doubt it then there's no reason to really doubt it.
The transcendental argument: an admission that the only place left for theists is nonsense.
MD "what's something that's unique to men that matters to decision making"
Nicol "well men have beards and women dont"
Right?? One can't very well tug on one's beard for a good think if one doesn't have a beard!
And that's where I get off the red-pill express. Generalities are all well and good but they're just that. I do have the final say in many areas of my marriage but it's only because we've agreed on the areas. There's nothing inherent in being a man that should make me the defacto final say in anything. We're both easy going and get along great so I can't think of anything one of us has fought the other for.
@@miconis123 _I do have the final say in many areas of my marriage.......... so I can't think of anything one of us has fought the other for_
Can you please state that to your partner and then get back to us? Unless you would be afraid t? Which wouldn't make sense really. Therefore do it.
@@nimzomitch I think you also need a pipe to point at things with for this to work correctly.
@@miconis123 Sure, having different duties and responsibilities is a given in any marriage but only as far as you can agree on it. It's still important to inform each other before making any major decisions that affect the other.
The point MRA/incel/MGTOW/Redpillers/Blackpillers want to make is that all decisions, including what the woman is allowed to wear and do, should be made by the man and if she disagrees she's not worth your effort.
Nicol somehow made every possible scenario to end a marraige about the woman and her faults!
One of the calls that made me boil with rage. I wonder if he'd be find with a woman as leader telling him what to do... After all it's all about having a leader, no? He shouldn't care about who's the leader if he's honest...
Every prospective partner he meets, he should show them this video before they commit to do anything with him.
Sounds like how the Taliban treat their women as well.
@@technic4803 Bob 123 - Never trust a person quoting a book as it's most likely a pyramid scheme or a scam.
Peace Love Empathy Instead. ✝️😇☮️
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Did I really just hear someone say these words? - "My dog is a witness"
Dog: keep me out of this
@@zendavesta1027 lmao!!
Dog: i aint no snitch
I like that Kevin walked in feeling like an expert about to blow everyone’s minds. He was so out of his depth that his only remaining tactic was to bicker about who was cutting who off.
The Great Oxidation Event that formed the bands of iron ore streaking our entire planet is a really good explanation as to how we and other organisms came to breathe oxygen.
It also tells us that we very nearly didn't make it: poisoned, then frozen by the success of aerobic photosynthesis.
I seriously hope Nicole never gets in a relationship.
Candace Owens would love to be his wife
Kevin sounds like a professional preacher who so badly wants to run his routine.
A Darth Dawkins acolyte. 🙄 Like J Mike said, it's all word salad.
Poor Kevin. So frustrated that not everyone accepts his assertions and presuppositions. The total arrogance of theists never ceases to amuse and annoy me. I love how they get so arsey when others don't just accept their bullshit. I think he's a little too fond of his own voice and his argument.
You have way more patience than I do. Kevin would have got the flick way earlier with me.
Kevin - there is only science or guessing. Science is only testing guesses for consistency. Assumptions are made for the sake of discussion. Like language, it merely an agreement on rules that makes communication possible.
Nobody marry Nicol. Yikes.
Right!
It puzzles me that these troglodytes walk among us.
Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!
He’s ridiculous. He sucks so hard.
@@ookeekthelibrarian I'm still running!!
56:15
Hay Z: "I've deeply thought about it."
(Shows that she hasn't deeply thought about.)
"I'm not completely well-versed in all of it."
(Shows that she's not even slightly well-versed in in any of it.)
Nicol seems to not understand that marriage is based off cooperation. This sounds like someone who is going to die alone.
caller kevin just wanted everyone to think he was smarter than the hosts.
Nicol is all for discussion and compromise as long as he can have the final say.
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@Technic faith comes from childish emotional neediness for some daddy god to lead you through life- period......
Yeah, and the awful thing is I’ve heard others say the same thing in real time, fully serious, in regards to marriage.
Anyone who thinks we are intelligently designed could never have had ingrowing toenails, or piles.
Or short sightedness, or impacted wisdom teeth, or....
@@Fluffykeith you're right, I forgot my impacted wisdom tooth.
Is there some sort of presup starter pack that comes with a droning voice, a delusional entitlement to people's time and attention, and an endless supply of meaningless word salad with no connection to reality?
Yes it's called the Kevin start up pack .
Joe would hate me because I don't think evil exits at all.
Let's hope Nokol's wife left him.
probably has her tied up in the basement
I'm wondering where all the evil babies being born are?
Or maybe we only work out they have evil actions later in life?
Hard to leave when he's got her chained to the stove
I am an atheist and have been since I was about 8 years old, I am now 70 and my wife and I have been married for just over 50 years, I love my wife as much now, if not more, as the day we were married, we were married in a registry office so you don't need religion to have a happy marriage, my wife and I are absolutely equal in everything, I am not the boss over her and I don't want to be.
We had two great kids and now have two fantastic granddaughters, my wife was a stay at home mother and made decisions all the time and I went along with what she decided and that happened vice versa.
Nicol sounds strangely like another habitual caller.
Yeah, I've heard him before. I don't know if he used the same name but whatever subject it was he started with he soon got on to his dominance fantasy.
I hope he isn't married, whatever his cultural background may be.
I feel sorry for Nicol’s wife
From the sound of it she's already left him.
@@devb9912 only if he decided to let her go
Nicol: tell me you want to be a wife beater without telling me you want to be a wife beater.
I wonder if this is an Armenian trait.
1:00:45 "I'm not saying everything is perfect."
56:02 "One of the biggest things is how everything is perfectly... perfectly lines up in order."
Which is it?
1st caller is stuck in the cave man days
My skin is crawling as I listen to this guy. This is how I sounded when I was a believer. I'm truly ashamed of some things I used to believe.
Guess: Nicol. Or Kevin.
Question: Why make us guess?
Kevin says that logic don't prove nuthin' - then proceeds to prove the existence of God using dodgy logic.
Kevin sounds cool and reasonable. They are always the funniest and wrongest in the end. He starts sounding frantic when they push back. Good stuff, Kevin.😂
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yeah he failed as he couldnt argue as to why his god was necessary. He just made lots of claims and stated they were necessary. Matt would have cut him down quicker but at least the hosts let him ramble long enough to highlight the problems with his god idea
@Technic I always wonder if people like you really understand just how much quotes from a barbaric book from thousands of years ago really mean to us. Do you do it just to troll... or what? You must know it means nothing.
@Technic Not a troll? just a Desperate, preachy type trying to corral people into your chosen mythology in order to make you feel secure in your mistakery ! Why dont you find some small,easily frightened children to convert? you're talking to adults here who can think for themselves! you Wont find any ready converts here!
Jmike ❤❤❤
AHHH HAHHAHHHAH JMike's expression when Hay-Zed says "evolution says we all come from nothing" Never before have I seen such a constipated (consternated?) face on "TV"
🤣🤣🤣
"My dog was a witness." One of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
With Nicol, if my Signifiant Other wants to move to the Phillipines, and I don't, well we have options.
We can split up over it if our views are at odds far enough.
We can discuss options about it and come to an agreement.
If I was just like "no, and that's final" to something that meant a whole lot to her, guess what, I'd be a crappy partner.
Kevin was a bit hard to take. I had to leave the bus as well.
not a very nice human being....imagine getting to heaven and finding Kevin on the next cloud.......think i would have to whack him with my harp
I was a child in an unhappy marriage and Nicol is talking nonsense.
That’s what the “kids” argument he kept trying to bring up never mattered to me.
Every time my parents argued over something small, my exact line was “FOR FUCKS SAKE, FIX YOUR MARRAIGE OR GET A DIVORCE!”
i've the feeling that Nicol speaking of himself... "I told her to obey and agreed with every decision i choose for our lives, like be ok to go where i told her when she want go live in another country.... And she don't and leave me. I'm so perfect and godly how could she had done that to me. Not obeing the bible is so mean and dangerous for a society, it lead to divorce and women allowed to not only not obey them master superior in thinking and others stuffs but even can take their own decision about themselves, like quit the one they marry. That's just bad for society and i'm now alone but got that book full of how i should live my life and threat others... We even can verify that because science said womens have hormons and we ALL knows hormons make people insane and only women had hormons.".
No such love than the one in the bible:
Love is worshipping. Obey or you'll have eternal torment. The most your life has to be miserable and full of suffering the most you'll have a big reward in the end. Oh and sorry if you're a woman you're only on this earth to make childs and to do what men told you.
Make perfect sense, Nicol a true Xtian at heart.
I'm wondering why with this logic women are even allowed to refuse a relationship because men are so those who knows and does better all important things but women are better to household chores where the greater male found just that boring.
disclaimer: there could be some sarcasm in my comment. I don't think man is superior to woman by nature. If i think to it women are really better to stuff like making offspring when the role of a man is quite limited on that. Difference (as in biology) is not superiority and it's pointless most of the time to even think who's superior; lead to essentialism who is root of so bad in the world. A couple by definition is made of two, a leader of that is just denying that there's 2 ppl... Oh and male who don't think/want to take care of their own child(s) it's called a jerk i guess.
The only problem with the problem of evil, is that there is no reason that a god should not be evil.
@@251rmartin but the christian god admits to creating evil and having evil within him. The only beings who think he is good are his followers who only read the parts of the book they like
@kissit012 um no? God does not admit to this at all lol.
Evil and death came into the world from the sin of man. Maybe actually read Genesis and the rest of the pentateuch and come back
@@bananadave5323 perhaps read your book where it says god created evil. Isaiah 45:7
@@SNORKYMEDIA doesn't say that at all lol
edit: when you read the Bible, I recommend reading it with the commentary of the early Church fathers, it will clear up a lot of confusion. Trust me. When I first read the parable of the talents I thought it meant actual talents. The footnote showed that talents was actually a currency at the time.
How people can worship a god that can sit back and watch a child being raped is beyond me. Also to believe jesus is going to descend from the clouds one day. I know one Christian and I don't know what is to say to someone so deluded?. I've had a few conversations with her and I feel there is nothing more to say to her. I'll quite happily bet some money they jesus won't appear this year or next? He's coming soon though right? The religious are just something else.
I took a drink every time someone on this video said 'like'.
I am now a full blown alcoholic.
This atheist organizes his marriage mostly the same as Christians. The main exception is in mine it's just one man and one woman instead of one man, one woman, and one god. Everything is between us, no supernatural marriage counselor needed or wanted.
Whenever I hear people include god in their marriage, the best question I ask is who is the bull nd who’s the cuck?
@@romankvapil9184 Clearly god is the bull since the husband is expected to obey him in all things.
@@miconis123 If the wife obeys the husband as the husband obeys the Lord. Then the husband does nothing and the wife must do everything.
@@kimsland999 that’s regular marriage for most couples unfortunately
Dude, Kevin needs to share some of that bud! 😂😂
I bet Nicol isn't married. He needs to just admit he wants to boss and control someone.
Nicol should remain single for the rest of his life. For the sake of others, namely women and children.
I think that Nicol is very lucky Shannon didn't call in to put him in his place!
Nicol from Armenia needs to consider the idea that women are weird independant entities with their own kind of needs & desires - and also what if the bosshusband just decides to cancel the marriage? Also if 2 men are married to each other, should we decide who's boss using rocks or arm wrestling?
Rock wrestling, duh!
Want to know one major reason I left Christianity? The notion that Anne Frank would be in hell, but if one of her Nazi killers is Christian and "repents" ...oh! He goes to Heaven! As for me, if that's how gawd's mysterious ways work, then I'd rather suffer along with Holocaust victims than party up there with Nazis.
horrible reason
@@bananadave5323 How so?
@Anti-anti-intellectual5 If I don't, then you lesser
@@hozonkai9967 so if a Nazi repents, leaves his lifestyle and repents with a sincere heart and feels true remorse for his actions, he should not get into heaven for his past sins that he deeply regrets?
@@bananadave5323 The problem is that an innocent young woman of a different faith is condemned to hell, while her murderer gets to go to heaven. Try to keep up, Bananadave.
You guys allowed "Kevin" to walk all over you and take control of the show.
I have a slightly different view. I think they let Kevin have enough air time to show those who are scared of pre sups just how obnoxious and stupid they are. I remember my first encounter with a pre sup. They just set off and brow beat me. When you have only bible knowledge pre sups sound smart. Watching people like these two demolish the arguement easily and then listening to the pre sup go off like a fire cracker, is for me deacaryfy them and show them up as the idiots they are.
Or they made an example of him.
Nichol cares about what the bible says because it makes him important in his own mind - I sincerely hope no woman is involved with such an inadequate man.
I hope to never shop where Joe shops if I have a heart attack and need basic CPR.
Lol, the frogs were laughing at her!
JMike, usually I love you on this show, but you really dropped the ball with that evolution explanation. She was ready to listen and she needed the sort of grade school explanation that Forrest usually gives to these guys.
Women don’t know how to organize or control a relationship. Wow, I had no idea! That doesn’t bode well for my lesbian marriage. Sounds like our relationship is bound to collapse under the chaos any time now. Oh my! Thank you Nicol for explaining that our 35 year marriage can’t possibly function. OMG, now how am I going to explain all this to the grandkids?
Hope Nicol sees this but divorce was a great way for me not to suffer further in the relationship. watching my parents fight was not a good thing for me to learn how a relationship should be nor should i be crying in my bedroom, covering in my ears, as it is traumatic. Trauma is one thing the bible doesn't teach, psychology does, trauma is the one thing in life we should be aware of and should generally avoid if it's possible. People can't avoid the trauma of death, or the trauma of losing a parent when they move away, but they can avoid the trauma of screaming, beating, or being beaten.
It seems that some of the dumbest callers are the one's who are repeat callers. (e.g. Nicol)
Kevin, from WI might as well if called & said: I’m a delusional presup clown. 😆🤦🏼♂️
Lol that last caller was very silly. Trying to say that the epistemology that got to the Internet and electricity and space travel is no good while presupposing essence and magic and gods which have given us zero useful results. How empty can he get?
Boring pre-sups just got the best answer yet... "That was enough word salad to end world hunger, literally." JMike rules.
Does Nicol support one man and as many wives and concubines as he can afford?
And if my brother dies, do I have to divorce my wife and marry his? Or do I take her as a sister-wife?
re Nicol, (the first caller using the bible as a guide in family life)…. so if he has an unruly child, would he take him to the edge of his village to be stoned to death?
Doubt it. Christians like to skip those parts
No because selective reading and cherry-picking
For Hay-Z. Does the water fit the puddle? Or was the puddle created to fit the puddle. Flora and Fauna fit the environment they are in, and will evolve to best survive as that environment changes.
she wants to challenge Evolution but has no idea what it is, should change here name to Cra-Z
@@petermeichan3160 Or La-Z
I dont think i have ever seen the puddle argument being butchered so hard before.
@@ookeekthelibrarian I didn't make it that far !
@@ookeekthelibrarian don't thi k I know that one
Kevin is just yet another in a long line of presups that loves the smell of his own farts. His script just appears more intelligent.
Asking clarification questions when you say stupid sh!t is how conversations work Kev. Jeez, the word salad.
yeah that call was painful
I suspect you don't understand his argument. He might ask you, "Is 'truth' independent of human experience?"
If yes, which is the standard reply, then you make a "theist-style" assumption, namely that your knowledge "depends" on something external to humanity - not just that there IS an external reality, but that there is some "intermediary force" regulating the relationship between you and reality. He would tell you this "dependence," this "intermediary force," is evidence for god. You are free to deny this, as JMike does, but you are still left with a "dependence" that you can't explain, left with a notion of "truth" that requires metaphysical assumptions that you may call "axioms."
If not, then you are forced to give an account of "truth" that only references your experience and does not "depend" on anything external to humanity. If you tried to do this, he would accuse you of "relativism."
There is no god, obviously, but Kevin makes a good philosophical point. Atheism demands pragmatism.
@@ericb9804 Not really, kevin would just be kicking the can there, because whatever "intermediary force" that regulates the relationship between me and reality, in itself would "depend" from another "intermediary force" - not just that there is an external god, to reality and myself, but that there is some "intermediary force" that regulates the relationship between this god, reality and myself. And on and on it goes the infinite regress (which is an actual good philosophical point, but it doesnt help kevin's).
And as usual, if kevin can special plea that his god doesnt need this "intermediary force", then anyone else can claim reality doesnt need this "intermediary force" aswell.
I mean, it is a good point, but it fails in the same way most other arguments for god does.
I hope the third caller calls in to Talk Heathen for a longer conversation. She sounded sincerely open to have the conversation and I was sorry it was cut short without encouraging her to call back.
She wasn’t. She’s now in the comments spouting nonsense apologetics. She’s a troll.
@@Mmmmilo no, I actually would love to study some resources, so far I've sent several things and nobody has sent me anything...
@@hay_Z2021 if you genuinely wanted to understand evolution/natural selection you would go to your local library and read books on the subject.
A cursory google search from the comfort of your armchair brings up resources for those with no knowledge of the subject to experts in that field.
You don't want to learn about it because because it conflicts with your beliefs.
At least be honest about it.
@@johnbull1986 no I'm still willing to learn... I just don't know where to start.. lol
@@johnbull1986 like.. any references to books or anything?..
I genuinely hope Hay Z keeps asking questions and starts investigating her beliefs. She seems like she's relatively honest (at least compared to some callers)
Ty! 😊
@@hay_Z2021 Im going to assume the frogs noticed your dog and changed their calls to warn each other.
I felt like she was reading a script.
@@hay_Z2021 You called up to talk about evolution, but you didn't have a clue what it was...how is that honest? Things were,'t designed for us, Hay...we just adapt to fit in. If we couldn't adapt (like millions of other species couldn't) you die out. That's why we're still here...we adapt. We evolve. If we didn't...we wouldn't be here now.
Lol, what? She was ignorant beyond parody. She should be absolutely ashamed of her complete lack of knowledge regarding even the BASICS of the things she doesn’t and does believe. “My dog was a witness”… “evolution says we came from nothing”… I don’t know if this person is a troll or has never even read the introductory Wikipedia entry on every topic she apparently feels so strongly about.
hayz lightning doesn't prove Zeus ...biology doesn't prove Yahweh or Brahma or other claimed space ghosts .....start by demonstrating the space ghost u believe in not by misunderstanding what we know about biology or lighting
Nicol seems really opposed to treating others as he himself would want to be treated... hm.... who was it that said that>???>
No one because Jesus said to ‘love others the way I have loved you’. Nothing to do with how you want or deserve to be treated or any consideration for what is best for others.
Sounds like Hay Z had a close encounter with Hypnotoad
I'd love to see her photos of this "entity".
Kevin - Wi is essentially pontificating his Christian God. He already concluded it's Christian god & only his Christian god & no other god. He just shoehorns an "argument" to fit his presupposition. Hence his attempt to support his claims with further claims with a dash of magic.
He tried to lay the foundation of I'm right then argue from there 😂😂
Not a bad episode.
Hope to see moisty doing his thing. ✝️😇🙏
cLied and Nathan the jailbird will be along first.
@Technic Don't forget the dicks! 👇
*Ezekiel 23:20* _"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses"_
Homeopathic baptism?
I really wish Matt was here to talk to Kevin.
He would have absolutely demolished Kevin’s smart alec jackass wordplay in a second.
And as for your multiple “Can you let me talk…” Kevin, MD and JMike already let you talk far longer than they should have.
You’re enough to do anyone’s head in after 2 minutes.
Good grief.