it's a little sad considering nacho was her favorite artist, at least when she originally commissioned the l2d art, but she sounds really happy working with the new artist
@@frederick5598 they can both speaks Japanese while kana only speaks English and I've heard they're close friends already, that's all I got tbh. altho it's pretty cool donut wants a full family collab including kana even, tho that's unlikely to happen I think
She just voiced her frustrstion and is moving on after being ghosted for a year. Pretty reasonable response all things considered. She even says that she wishes no ill will. So I won't either. No point in being angry when everyone is moving on lol.
So to help clear some things up, for one, Kana explained further on she had no hate towards amashiro she was just annoyed she was having to find a different artist for her model when she thought she had one, and even said she liked gura and was nothing against her either, just aggravated after being ghosted for a year. Also take into account she has been drinking during this stream, like, alot. You can even hear her sluring a bit in the clip, so this isn't her being solid mind, also she was tired on top of being sick, this clip was like, 3 in the morning for her, she's not being toxic, she's having difficulty explaining.
I mean that sucks to hear . I gess Gura is prio becouse of how big she got so everybody els just fuck of. Sound crazy to me to just ghost and not even beeing straight forward .
Now I'm inferring that since you mentioned gura, then they have the same artist. Now if the artist abandoned all others just for gura, then it is a real low move. Wether it be for Fame or just cause doesn't validate ghosting all others who reached out to work with the artist in the first place. It kinda shows that they don't really care.
@@lonelydeer9651 she recently designed emotes for luto. Another vtuber she illustrated. So its definitely not about only caring to do art for gura. I have a feeling its more about individuals vs people under a company since luto is working under prism while kana became fully independent.
@@gredystar8333 It is not the case either. Her daughter Naname is indie and she has less subs than kana and luto but she pays attention to her despite the sub difference. I think it is more about not understanding english that much that causes her to clam up. Gura collab stream proves it because her past stream with no avatar she has no problem with speaking to other in japanese.
Amashiro making an audible reaction to Kana's sub sound, not acknowledging it after seeing who it is, then thanking the person who sent bits afterwards.. o_O
I think it’s because kana went independent tbh her twitter is filled with gura but we do get some occasional stuff about luto but she never rt or tweets out anything about kana and naname which are both independent
I love how everyone is just ignoring what Kana said about Amashiro purposely ignoring her sub like I think that kinda spells out that she is actually ignoring her :/ I don’t even think this is even fully about the mama thing I think it’s mostly about how she’s being flat out ignored instead of being told no. Yeah she could’ve handled it better but I bet she’s very frustrated. I think she should be able to vent about this.
in case you dont realize, amashiro haven't streaming or upload video 5 month ago and this video is from 3 month ago. thats mean, she is really busy with her work
@@mizilix3648 This is what I would choose to believe until Amashiro comments otherwise. I would hope she isn’t the kind of person to just ignore someone (especially a client) without a good reason to do so. Though after watching the whole video I’m not so sure. Sounds like she just didn’t want to continue working with her and handled it unprofessionally.
I'm glad that Kana is speaking on this matter, moreso because it does sound like she's being genuine about her experiences and I'm curious how the relationships are between Vtubers and their "mamas"/"papas". However, I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt and say that things can sometimes be more complicated than it seems. Maybe it IS a lot simpler than how I'm looking at it. Overall, the only thing I'm sure of is that there's a lot not being addressed between the two of them, resulting in a lot of miscommunication.
Logically speaking, shouldn't you be inclined to work closely or have a good working relationship with a client,(like a vtuber), to ensure that you get their commissions, good publicity through collabs and maybe even simply just being proud of a artwork or live2d model that you did.
@@TowaMidriffEnjoyer You'd be right for all the reasons you stated, if things were looked at logically. Instead, we're only human and sometimes we get swept away by emotions and impulse, and sometimes fears and doubts, that we end up doing irrational things.
I won't really pick a side since I barely know both of the individuals involved, but I do support her decision wholeheartedly to hire a new artist (Henreader) to make a new design for her. I presume most indie vtubers do a 1 time payment to the artist and rigger for designs and rig, I'm obligated to believe that Amashiro is occupied with long term contract from a company like Cover and want to prioritize that, it doesn't excuse the alleged ghosting of a client however. As for Kana getting a completely new design, well I'm already used to seeing vtubers having big model change so it doesn't bother me at all.
isn't henreader *that* artist? it's great that artists aren't being excluded based on their ...other... work, but that takes balls. hopefully there will be no issues there.
Ghosting for a full year is something no artist should do, a simple no is better than full silence, poor Kana but Amashiro attitude leaves a lot to be desired
But seeing how Kana reacted to this whole thing, a simple "no" might be taken as an evidence of Amashiro's visceral deep-rooted hatred towards anything Kana... This is not a method problem, it's a mindset problem. This matter should never have been public.
@@vallecend6855 On the contrary, a simple "no" would have ended this and it wouldnt have become public. Amashiro's refusal to cooperate or make things clear caused Kana to become more confused than anything, and at this point she's just tired and ready to move on.
She did tell here no though. Kana said she was told "I'm busy" multiple times. Japanese culture is very indirect so 空気読み(reading the room) is a big thing. "I'm busy" or "maybe later" means no.
From a business perspective she is her client it is not right to just ignore your client after she tried to reach out for few times. Her decision to move on to other artists was right as a vtuber you would want to give back to fans for special occasions one of it might be new costume.
At first I thought amashiro was just busy and all but after hearing how she just ignored her sub its a pretty clear indication that amashiro doesn’t want to have anything to do with kana there is still a positivity that amashiro just missed it kana should try resubbing next month and see if amashiro ignores her again
I really feel bad for her, and im not gonna say why or other. I’ll just say that im happy she’ll move on with a new and more comprensive artist, i also cheked him out on twitter and damn if he’s good
She’s definitely been holding this in, I imagine she needed an outlet and the alcohol loosened any inhibitions enough for her to get it off her chest. Did Kana need to talk? Yes. Was this the best way to handle it? No. Is Kana trying to start drama? Unlikely.
i can understand an artist focusing on someone that is linked to your art and has the ability to reach more than a million people and is also linked to the biggest vtuber company at the moment. but what was described here isn't that, it sucks that she had to go through such an unprofessional experience and this definitely lowered my impression of the artist. even if you look at her twitter you can see how she only retweet things related to herself or to hololive. now i feel bad for naname and luto, they are probably going to suffer similar experiences.
When I deal with artist I pay upfront, that gives them more incentive to actually get the commission done. Some artist overbook and I understand art takes time, and I am a very patient man but I have on occasion had to do charge backs because goods were not delivered. In one case it was 4 months but because the artist was communicating I let it slide. The case of a charge back was pretty much a ghosting then after I initiated a charge back then they message me to talk. I appreciate the work artist do and that is why it is my policy to pay them upfront for small projects. I eventually want to find a itansha artist to draw gas tank art for my cruiser so I can have it wrapped. Kana was more than fair imho.
Honestly good on Kana for finding an artist who will work with her. If Nacho's too busy to make content for all her clients then she shouldn't take any clients and focus on the one.
@@asianpersuasion4901 well isn’t it usually the first one that is supposed to be the responsible one? And don’t parents usually get tired after the first lol
Everybody's talking about Amashiro and whatnot here in the comments, but surely I'm not the only one that nearly did a spit-take when she said "Henreader", right?!
If she changes her appearance now, it'll be like she's a different person... It won't feel the same... She'll still be cute, I'm sure, but if she stops being our little white fox, I'm gonna be so sad... God dammit! Why does everything I like always have some drama behind it?! Just under 3 months ago, everything seemed fine? Natsuki drew Kana again at the start of April...nothing afterwards... Why would she just toss her to side like this? :( I don't understand...
@@NekoPufferPPP She didnt have Kana tagged for a long time, in fact Gura was tagged first and was the only one tagged until Luto came and then she tagged all her children.
@@zorn2017 I guess she does still care, but can't find the time to tend to everyone, so she didn't know how to respond to Kana when she subbed to her twitch... She does seem like a shy person so I can kinda understand, but that means Kana misunderstood her... Maybe I'm overthinking it.
A little late but you shouldn't worry about that From what we've seen for now the model will be pretty much the same with only a different style There won't be any gigantic changes and we will still have our favorite white fox
@@kanavirusthebreadmonarch5652 I saw the sneak peek she gave us, yeah, that was a big relief. I realized shortly after posting my first comment that Kana actually owns her design...no? Her first model was her design IIRC, so I had no reason to worry about it.
Its been 2 month And i am still suprises that in amashiro Bio still has her name and Kana aswell still put her name in her Bio I hope everythings fine with them now And also amashiro also draw kana in her stream
@@Taoutes there is lot reason she is busy. first, she said that she had work to do. And dont forget her 2d model and art that she need to finish. artist should finish their art and that takes time. also if you realise, that time also nachoneko havent stream or upload video for long time (4 month maybe)
@@mizilix3648 Kana seemed to have made clear that this was going on before Amashiro Natsuki (Now Nachoneko) took a break, since she talks about her sub being actively ignored.
This has deff changed my opinion towards Amashiro under any moral circumstance you do this as a professional , specially to who I believe was her first daughter , the relationship between artist and VTuber is different, special , they are living breathing advertisements of your work . and people need to understand that criticizing Amashiro is not equal to attacking Gura , language barrier is no excuse as Amashiro recently made a new outfit for Gura and collabed with her , to Gura and colleagues like Nabi, Amashiro is a Saint, but Kana unfortunately has seen the worst of her . Is also saddening Kana hasn't even reached 200k after all this time, If you like Gura there is no reason not to watch Kana, they are like twins ,their humor their yabai moments , the biggest difference between the two is Gura got a southern accent .
Gura has hololive to be the "translator" for her, so there is no language barrier whatsoever in business between her and amashiro. Watching Amashiro stream, I see she is not the type to talk much either. It's like she has anxiety issue. She's not a bad person. She probably felt awkward and don't know how to talk to people. That's how I felt at least, basing on my own anxiety problem. Sometimes I overthink how to reply to people and in the end I end up not replying at all because I took too long that it became awkward to reply now. Then I don't know how to face them after that because I feel awkward for not replying.
@@natsudragneel-ir7sr And that's when the term professionalism comes in, she ignored Kana for a whole year and even ignored Kana membership, why would you try to make excuses for her? This is the equivalent of Nabi acting like Amelia doesn't exist for the next year, Amashiro only worries to social media stuff related to Gura
Um...I don't follow kana much and I don't really know how things work but... Wasn't ignore a little too much? They might be mama and daughter but they're still basically still a business relationship? If ignore here means not collabing then even nacho has Irl life and if ignore here means not giving her new outfits then... Does artist/mama give her model daughter a free outfit? Again idk how things work but I think artist make contracts with their daughters or sons, I think independent vtuber won't be able to afford long term multiple outfits and maybe Hololive and other big name actually do that kind of contracts.
this was a long time ago, someone had mentioned that kana was very drunk in this stream, nacho mama drew her in a passpartout stream, kana and nacho has each others' twitter @ in their bios really theres no reason to think that nacho is still purposefully ignoring her, this is an update before more people get recommended this and start picking sides blindly
reading comments to understand whats going on but from my perspective being told im busy for 1 year is pretty much the same as being ghosted, you cant make time for 1 person to talk to them about anything in 1 year? is your life so filled that you cant even relax. so that cant be an excuse. but as kana said maybe amashiro was too shy and such to be able to talk about it i mean she is not a buisness she is 1 person and couldnt communicate herself well. but i have seen real buisnesses just straight up ignore requests and interviews with people as well. so i wanted to make that clear. next is on the topic of working together, they probably didnt have a contract however hololive probably does, so they can create costumes and new outfits for their talents. its probably important that other vtubers working alone also want that as well, and kana maybe did as well, for 1 year. since art styles are artist unique, no one else can recreate it so she was probably trapped to work with amashiro or get a new artist. however amashiro did say she was busy however that implys that she maybe willing to work together later which was not the case after 1 year. if she is too busy she cant do this, then it is for the best that kana get a whole new artist however that does mean her current character will die. to some extents but it opens up more oppertunities to work together and create more stuff for her. i do not think amashiro was being so mean, rude and unprofessional yes. i mean being told your busy for 1 year straight is very awful not only that but the ignored dontation as well. that she didnt even say her name. amashiro can have favourites and i also think its hololives influence and money thats better to work with from a personal standpoint. i mean art is very difficult and takes time, so earning money appropriatly is important as well.~ all in all there is a lot to understand but it feels strange disceting amashiros though process to justify her responses while at the same time pointing out what she did wrong. we will never know what she really thought or wanted but we do know that being told your busy and then being ignored by name when giving a sub, is a big nono.
Kana was the only one treated like this. Every other daughter was treated just fine. She even did a cover with one of them. There was probably a misunderstanding between the two of them, or Amashiro may not have considered Kana as a daughter. Kana was the only one that was not tagged and was not a completely done by Amashiro.
@@notimportant6047 i see. but amashiro did acknowledge her existance, saying shes busy. and 2) as kana said, amashiro went silent when she saw her name but read out in full the bits donated by the next person. i dont know the exact details could be a mind slip but as far as kana knows and saw shes saying she was purposefully ignored, you cant rationalise it that way unless it did seem like that.
It's both reasonable that if Amashiro is busy making her own career that she focus on that and that if Kana wants an ongoing working relationship with an artist that she change to a different artist. The only issue is with being ghosted but that's not really an Amashiro thing that's a Japan thing because it is super common in Japan due to their non-confrontational culture (which Kana touches on).
Please don’t use “culture” to justify treating people poorly. Ignoring a someone like this is just childish and cowardly, no matter what country you’re in.
hearing this makes me thinks a lot amashiro has always been one of my favorite artist since many many years ago like, since i firstly got into japanese anime ish art community its actually quite hard to understand what amashiro actually had in her mind from ignoring her that much, ive actually noticed since i realized that kana have live2d from her that there’s haven’t been any further art for her and i do as everyone that i wanted the answer about the truth from her but i would rather let this drama settled down in a good way yes ik what she did was absolutely bad but its not something i should get involved with or either should get even more dramatic i would still consider amashiro as one of my favorite artist and would like to think this didn’t really happened so i hope no one actually would decide to flamed on her or attack her in any ways ah yes, im outside and haven’t watched the video but ik its about amashiro completely ignore her
Alot of Vtuber mamas have left streaming and doing art for others for awhile. Some left to go to college, others breaks, some for job focus and so on. Mostly all have been taking time off to go to school and all left around this time. Even some of the mamas kids left as well. Some have some back others haven't. Nabi Mama being one who left (Amelia Watsons mom). She showed up on Kiara's stream once as a guest but hasn't been active. So yeah lots of people are leaving but they usually annouce their leave, afew do not. Also Amashiro didn't ghost completely she just kept saying she was busy and the just left. I saw someone mention that she was gone for months before this video even happened. So who knows. Either way japanese aren't very direct which makes it hard. But I still love Amashiro and her work.
update: quite some time has passed since, kana is no longer streaming on youtube, while amashiro is streaming on youtube nowadays instead kana is streaming on twitch, and is probably no longer a NEET wonder when amashiro is streaming with her live2d on twitch tho
I don't want to pick a side. This is just bad all around. It will lead to more artists not taking on multiple clientele if they can't handle the workload. Kana could have worded it better but it looks like drastic measures will need to be taken to improve upon her model and content. I hope this doesn't either of them in a bad light but unforunately it is too late to change what has happened.
Kana isn't asking you to pick sides, she didn't really meant to start drama, I think she's tired and disheartened. Amashiro has every right to focus on what she wants to focus on, she just should have been nice in letting Kana know ahead of time.
I understand both sides of the problem, Natsuki is the designer of the most popular vtuber in the world, she is probably fully busy with gura work + her own work as vtuber + her own model design. Her other "children" are not even remotely as popular as Gura and not even as popular as Natsuki herself, so spending too much time on them was not a good business decision. On the other hand, Natsuki could probably handle the situation a little bit better, by trying to explain kana the situation so at least they could finish their business relationship in a more friendly way.
It's just business but there are so many other talented artists that would be more than willing to work with her. When your number 1 client is the biggest vtuber in the world it makes sense she wouldn't have time for the others anymore especially if she started streaming and making her own content as well.
Gee I guess I missed a lot after bingeing other vtubers. Not just a few months ago wasn’t she a more pure character saying stuff like no swearing on stream? Corruption got to her that fast huh
Kana used the F word, shudder! And she completely jumped to conclusions because being told "I'm busy" for only over a year doesn't equal getting ghosted. The sub ignore part is on Kana as well, she even said "I kinda wanted to be evil". What about the favoritism, you ask? Well, that's completely normal. Do you see Natsume complain about yasuyuki who favors Rushia? Tenten complain about Gaou who favors Aqua? Nope. She can't seriously expect to get the full experience of being loved dearly, nor can she expect to get like fanart every 2 days. "I just want to work with her on a business standpoint and she is clearly telling me to F off." Really, using the F word again? And lol, imagine expecting to be able to work with a business partner who's as busy as Nacho. Kana should act more professional. -Satiric attempt to parody the numerous comments judging Kana based on this clip (which at least 50% of them didn't seem to have watched the video in full).
Didn’t she just say she didn’t care about getting artwork every 2 days? It seems more like you didn’t watch tbh. She even said she wanted to be evil because she was being ignored and that “evil” was just seeing if she would acknowledge her supporting her. She didn’t go to her stream and antagonize her she just subbed. No matter how busy someone is you literally cannot explain why her not acknowledging Kana just because she said “I wanted to be evil.”
...For the record, my comment sounds intentionally ridiculous to make fun of people who bash Kana because they seemingly did not pay attention to the video or maybe they didn't even watch it at all.
im pretty sure being told im busy for a year stright is the same as ghosting. i ahve experianced it before. from a non buisness standpoint if you truly cared about the other person or buisnes. you should be able to make time in 1 year. amashiro dosent want to work with kana but didnt say so. thats the problem. also the original artist is important since no one can recreate their art style, its not contractual to work with them after the initial peice but its kind of given, im sure hololive have that kind of contract so they can create more art and costumes over time. but kana didnt have that. but its still important to have to renew your art and stuff. so being ignored for 1 year instead of being told truthfully, also means kana lost 1 years worth of progress in artistic content. costumes etc.
Regardless of it being "Japanese Culture" to be non confrontational and hoping Kana to "get it" or because she's not a part of Tsunderia but Indie, this is very unprofessional as an artist. Kana literally can't even get a model update, for one year at that. Amashiro's reputation really just went down for me, not as a Vtuber artist but as an individual artist. That's just a dick move tbh if she isn't giving any form of communication or reply. Especially that story about gifted subs on Twitch. Jesus Christ, lady.
It's things like this in particular that made me fall out of love with Hololive because artists who get a chance to work with Hololive in making a Vtuber largely favour making content for their Hololive vtuber instead of showing support for all their clients. Then there's also the Holo stans who're shocked Kana even exists; let alone Luto and Naname.
Not really Hololive's fault that an artist no longer wishes to take commissions from a former client. Plenty of artists still support all their vtuber children just as hard.
wdym? this is the first time I heard a Vtuber artist who works for Hololive has ghosted this much an indie or a less known vtuber. Ayamy often collab with their daughters, Pochi really likes the idea of "vtuber family" or even Anya's mom, who's really busy because she just had a baby a few months ago, still makes content for Pochi Korone and Polka Luca (the first had an entire restaurant full of art from her) while still accepting commisions (like Mel's merch in March-April)
@@4473021 pochi streams with her babies all the time. and she's a hella busy person. I think Amashiro's only mistake was ghosting Kano. If amashiro just said she had too much on her plate to help Kano out, I don't think Kano would be nearly disappointed as she is now.
Don't get me wrong, getting ghosted sucks, but I don't think its the artist's responsibility to ACTUALLY be a vtuber's mom? She still did an amazing job with Kana's avatar. Completely swapping to a new model seems odd.
Well, with how much money goes into creating any type of content for Vtuber (animations, facial expressions, emotes, and everything else under the sun) you would think that they would keep in contact with their clientele or keep them in the loop. "I have a deadline by X date, I might not be able to take up any request or admissions, or blah blah blah" Yet this isn't the case at all. In our discords we talk about a lot of stuff, the whole "being least favorite child" is prevalent as Amashiro has done jack shit with anything with Kana at all, while as to keeping up with Gura, Naname, and Luto. Ofc she's not entitled to this or that, but with purchases this big you're going to keep your client in the loop at all times if things come up as it seems that people don't consider this. Why would it seem odd completely switching, if someone has made it clear that they're ghosting you then there's nothing you can do to get a response then why continue supporting them at all? This isn't me trying to create any conflict, I'm just seeing a pattern to some of the people's reasoning and out of this comment section it's leaning heavily in one direction. The purpose of my remarks is simply a counter, Kana has been trying to get in contact with Amashiro for over the past year and if someone is going to ghost you the next best thing is to simply move on. There's no reason to get caught up on shit, she literally is the "least favorite child", she's not burning any bridges with this comment she's simply just moving on. "Oh maybe, she's just busy" yeah she's looks over Gura, Naname, and Luto but at the end of the day she's an artist. Most artist simply struggle to the end of the month but to simply avoid contact with one of your contacts in such a field of work with this much money on the table? Most artist and nearly ANY business dream of these types of relationships with clients so that they keep coming back. Yeah, it possibly couldn't be anything else now could it?
For one, kana was drinking alot so actually talking about and explaining what she means was probably difficult, she didn't demand "Oh love me now!" More just said "Hey at least let me know what I'm doing here, you're the only one who can really do this." As it's not like a picture she's wanting drawn it's modifications to a pre-existing model.
Vtubers changing and upgrading their model/design isn't a rare occurrence so don't be surprised when it happens. For example the vtuber (that got mildly viral from a reddit S.O.S. post) Naito Mearu has had 2-3 model changes (totalling in 3 or 4 models, I don't remember exactly) throughout her vtubing activities. For a more popular example; Sakura Miko, Hoshimachi Suisei, AZKi, and to some extent Momosuzu Nene from Hololive has had some major model and design changes as well (especially AZKi).
To be fair she's not asking for her to be her mom. It was poorly communicated because she was drunk but the crux of the problem is that she tried to get in contact for a new design for a whole year and got pretty much zero response. If you put the personal drama between them two aside and look at it objectively I'd say it's pretty reasonable to be a bit annoyed and decide to move on to a different artist on her end. Imagine if you ordered something from Amazon and the package never came and every time you tried to contact customer support you got an automated response. You'd probably cancel the order and order from a different site right?
No, but she still deliberately ignored Kana and wanted nothing to do with her even if purely for business, and all without giving a reason or being clear with Kana about it. Kana wanted to retain her model and commission updates from Amashiro, and Amashiro gave her the cold shoulder, so Kana is switching artists because she has no choice.
It sure is not but imagine this one day kana feels like she wants to somehow make some little changes to her avatar but instead of asking amashiro the original creator she decided to do it herself. See how that would spell disaster? No artists like being corrected by anyone ever if she is too busy she can at least give permission to kana for altering her art or tell her to find other artist (in a good term).
@@1stDRAGonLINE I'm sure when she said "Henreader will make a new design" it'll be an entirely new _new_ design, so it won't have much to do with Amashiro's design. Maybe with similar color palette but that's it (she did say it'll come with a new outfit, so I'll presume it'll be something completely different than what she has now).
@@1stDRAGonLINE Maybe I'm wrong but does she need Amashiros permission? She paid for it so I assume she owns the design. I expect she can do whatever she wants with it and if Amashiro gets pissed maybe she shouldn't have ghosted her lmfao
She just wanted to work with her that’s it people are acting like Kana said “play with me please talk to me” she just wanted to do business with the person drawing her that’s it.
Someone in the chat is fucking rude he literally said he like kana more than gura bro you can t say that that pretty much rude you not kana you not amashiro you not gura you just viewer you don't have the right to be rude and say you like kana more when she literally mad about amashiro giving more love to gura that just obvious rude I love them both but I'm just viewer I don't have the right to pick side on who wrong and who right I just hope it won't become a big fight
Well, I do find it funny, Amashiro was too busy & basically ignored Kana, then later has the gall to draw her character in a stream after this whole situation? After she forced Kana to a new artist & platform. Now she has the time to acknowledge Kana's character? Why bother? She never seem to consider Kana one of her's anyway. Pretty much feels like kicking Kana when she was down. Just personal speculation at this point, considering the little info that was presented. Oh well, Onee-san Kana Kamiko is dead. At least reborn Kana seems happier. Also, wasn't Kana looking for a whole new design? The Henreader design basically looks the same as the original. Also, I just discovered the doughnut sister today, that's what led to this Kana news. It's a wonder I haven't seen her in ages.
Kana is assuming Amashiro dislikes her to some degree, even though nothing bad happened between both of them (as far as we know). Maybe Amashiro is actually busy, maybe she has another reason to not want to work or be able to. But I think Kana is wrong to come up with this headcannon that Amashiro hates her and wants nothing to do with her, for no reason.
There’s a reason most people keep mum about behind-the-scenes business relationships. Kana burning bridges in such a public manner is a warning to all potential future collaborators.
@@hohens7118 She's been trying to fix the relationship for like a year now with no result, you cant say she didnt try. Without Amashiro on board Kana is basically stuck with no potential updates to the model. And since Amashiro is refusing to work with Kana, Kana has nothing left to do but cut ties.
@@hohens7118 This is true. She's hurting other people's reputation and also herself in the process. And it's one thing if it's a serious issue such as harassment or the like, but when someone just simply doesn't want to work with you anymore, getting this worked up about it will send bad signals to everyone, potential business partners included.
I honestly don't like how Kana acted in this and really feel this is very unproffesional of her putting Amashiro on the spot like that. I think the problem is Kana's an indie now and Amashiro is being contracted by multiple agencies because of Gura's sucess. If you check any of the popular Vtuber Mama's they tend to only work with corporations because working with an indie does have it's own risk, like say an indie subtly bad-mouthing you when you don't want to do business with them. Also, vtuber-mama culture is not exactly something set in stone. There are a lot of Vtubers in Nijisanji who barely get a passing mention from their creators. Some creators don't even get credited. I know all of us got used to Pochi (Reine), Nabi(Ame), and Fukahire (Korone) spoiling their kids rotten but for every Vtuber-mama or Papa like that, there's always some who are like Miko's original creator who doesn't even shill her (not even a mention on their twitter bio). Ordan who is Sora's mama had to adopt her once she moved to Hololive proper and is basically the one in charge of all of her updates. Even Fukahire rarely (if ever) shills her Niji-son (Shellin). This is still a business everyone and artist are not obligated to continue relations with anyone, especially if they're being contracted by a big player like Hololive who will offer them a more lucrative business compared to working with an indie. There's a reason why being a part of a corporation like Hololive and even smaller ones like prism project is a lot better than trying to make it as an indie.
Youre completely missing the point here. This has nothing to do with obligations and what not, Kana is simply wanting to continue working with Amashiro and she is being refused but not straightforwardly. The matter is extenuated by the fact that Amashiro is deliberately ignoring Kana on multiple instances. Kana has basically ran out of options here. She wanted to keep in business with Amashiro for model updates, paid work, and Amashiro is looking the other way on purpose without saying why. If she communicated properly with Kana to some extent, making it clear why she is being the way she is, then Kana wouldnt have reached this point. Amashiro accepted the commission from Tsunderia, and by ghosting Kana she put her in a difficult position. This has nothing to do with "Vtuber-mama culture", and everything to do with an artist refusing to do business without being clear as to why they are refusing. Amashiro's treatment and lack of acknowledgement of Kana in comparison to her other daughters is just adding more layers onto the issue rather than being the source of the problem.
@@zorn2017 As you mentioned yourself, Amashiro did business with Tsunderia, not Kana. When Kana left Tsunderia and became an Indie, from a business standpoint, she had no more obligations to deal with Kana. Kana did indeed try to reach out to her as she mentioned but as my original post stated, high-profile vtuber illustrators don't like dealing with indies. Even the passive-aggresive way that Amashiro is dealing with this is just the japanese being non-confrontational to an absurd degree which they tend to do in hopes that the other party will take the hint and fuck off. Look, I know Kana is in a tough spot and let's be honest here, she does have a tendency to spiral into negativity whenever things don't go as planned. She really should have just let this be. Get a new model and say that she really couldn't wait for Amashiro to be available.
@@marcomilag5875 Then that would be a lie, because Amashiro wasnt just unavailable, she was ignoring Kana. She didnt want to do business "just because", not because she was busy. I have professional artist friends and they say they jump on the opportunity to find work in this industry. Vtuber models are a lucrative business right now, and Amashiro ignoring Kana's business inquires means she personally doesnt want to work with Kana. I dont care about "Japanese culture" crap, if Kana was a "problem" to Amashiro, that means Amashiro is the one who had the problem with Kana. What was the problem? Who the fuck knows because Amashiro clammed up about it and Kana is the only one who gets burnt here.
@@zorn2017 No it wouldn't be a lie. It'd just be sticking with the facts. I tried to contact Amashiro but couldn't get in touch with her (true), I can't wait for her to get back to me or be available so I've decided to just get a new model (true). No need to add any stuff like my mom doesn't like me (unconfirmed). Also, like I mentioned earlier, working with a company is way more lucrative than working with an indie. Your proffesional friend might be employed by a ton of indies, but they're not getting employed by the top companies who would bring in more cash. Also, in regards to who was at fault, people could easily bring up the fact that it was Kana who quit tsunderia and is having problems with Amashiro and they could easily reverse the situation and say maybe it's Kana who's the problem. I'm not gonna do that of course because I'd rather not imply anything if I don't know specifics from BOTH parties. Again, I'm only commenting on the fact that (1) Kana messed up and comes off as unproffesional in this instance. (2) There's so many ways that she could have gone about this and not make things open to speculation cause this is the internet and no one actually debates from an unbiased point of view.
@@marcomilag5875 it is still really rude to just stop working with one of your clients simply because they became independent and it's even more rude to not straight up tell them "hey I'm going to unfortunately have to stop working with you".
Kind of an overdramatic way to burn bridges and create narratives that Amashiro hates her because of getting ghosted, knowing Amashiro she's a busy shy lady herself and she only touched up on Kana's model compared to designing it like the other vtubers she worked on. Sad to see her switch but if you come up with some idea in your head that Amashiro is your mama that views you as her least favorite child, then switching artists is probably for the best
All the other vtubers she worked on were designed off references as well. Amashiro has been ignoring Kana's business inquiries for a year now, this isnt all just in Kana's head, she is being ghosted.
'Knowing Amashiro". Stop. You don't know Amashiro. Much like every V-Tuber, content creator, and indeed person you call a mutual on twitter, you only see what they are comfortable with you seeing. Watch any clip of the cute and cuddly Yuzuki Roa of Nijisanji and tell me she would be at the heart of a scandal where she had her management essentially blackmail another member out of the company for having the same dialect as her. Watch anything of Jitomi Monoe and tell me there were hints she'd break a contract so badly she'd be ejected from what is.basivally an Indie brand. If Kana says she's tried to maintain a business relation and has failed then that's to be taken at face value. Kana cannot get model updates or new outfits or anything without her as things stood. She was left in stasis, and has had her hand forced to switch designers as a result. Amashiro has a responsibility to Kana and everyone else she draws for. That's literally her job. She can at least say 'No' or, if she was genuinely busy, be more proactive about it. But as she said, and it's completely true, the Japanese are non-comfrontarional, and rely on the problematic person taking the hint and leaving of their own accord. Kana is doing just that, so to absolve Amashiro of any wrongdoing here boggles the mind.
@@ItsCassius And yet by Kana doing this, the only thing she accomplishes is burning bridges. If you already know the person your dealing with is non-confrontational, she should just have taken the hint and left it at that. No need to interject your own headcanon and imply stuff that you're not privy too. Ever wonder why the top artist rarely contract with indies? This is the reason why. Indies have a lot of freedom which includes doing stuff like this.
@@marcomilag5875 oh boo hoo, is Amashiro not the pure heart you thought she was? Maybe if she didnt want this issue publicly raised she should have told Kana why she cant do work. Maybe, i dont know, give a timeline? Say when she will be available? Apparently that was too fucking hard, so it left Kana feeling like she pissed off her mama or something and sulking about it for a year and being completely in the dark about why this was happening. I say the bridge should have been burned even earlier.
@@zorn2017 Business is business. Irregardless of who was at fault you do everything that you can to salvage that bridge until it becomes impossible to do so. It's the reason why people still work with Kadokawa and Konami despite all the stupid shit that they pull. Kana messed up on this one. Hopefully this doesn't get big enough that both Amashiro and Kana get affected by it.
This is just unnecessary drama and an unprofessional action. Private business should stay private. If someone says "I'm busy" to you a couple of times and you feel like you're ignored then just move on, no need to make it a public announcement and make it seem like that person has some sort of special hatred towards you when that's most likely not the case. Amashiro doesn't have any obligation towards Kana anymore so she should be free to do whatever she wants, and that includes not working with Kana anymore. Since that side of the world wants to rant so much about personal freedom and rights, they should also learn how to respect others' decisions.
IF you are going to use (un)professional route the professional and respectful thing from creator, artist, or any normal person when they receive message, private or business one, would be to respond with clear YES or NO so that person that send inquiry can decide what to do next. It's called COMMON SENSE but it is dead thing for some time now. Especially in the WEST.
Most businesses and artist generally say "I deny your commission" "I refuse to work with you" "We terminate our relationship with you" Kana's model was made by Amashiro for the most part, Kana is showing respect by having Amashiro be the one to update and work on it. Amashiro refuses to give a explicit refusal, I don't blame kana for going to another artist, and while she shouldn't have aired her dirty laundry It was one year of being ignored. What if Kana already paid Amashiro for the update work but no product was delivered?
Are you sure you watched the video? She stated what she said was already public knowledge. All she did was essentially confirm the rumour mill, which is far better than letting it continue unabated in an apocryphal state. So much for "private business".
If you make a model for a vtuber and doesn't terminate your affiliation with them then you are very much obligated to make updates for that model "Just move on" is a very convenient thing to say when you're not the one paying for the new model in addition to the model being pretty much your brand
Keep in mind that Kans was drinking. If she were to look at this clip she might be embarrassed and be like “maybe I should’ve worded it better” but now it’s on the internet.
@@kcherin93 This problem just stems from Amashiro’s lack of confrontation with Kana. Not giving a clear response, if any at all, has pretty much caused Kana to be lost in the dark about their situation, creating confusion and frustration.
Artists like Amashiro don't take that many contracts from individual vtubers. The mama/papa dynamic is purely business, and not that many actually put that much time into it. They're more likely to do so when they still have a contract or business connection with a company to keep a good relationship. She streamed with Gura because she's going to start streaming herself. Streaming with the most popular vtuber in the world whose character you designed is a pretty good way to advertise. Think about when Uto debuted last year and Ame's chat turned into people talking about how they were siblings. She made it clear that they didn't actually have any real connections and just shared an artist. As entitled as Kana is being here, it's no wonder Amashiro didn't message her back, she was probably genuinely uncomfortable.
Watch the fucking video, Kana isnt being entitled at all. Kana just wanted to work with Amashiro on updates to her model but she is being ignored. And she pointed out that there is clearly favoritism happening, not as a "mama" but as a client relationship. She has been wanting to fix this "relationship" for a year and Amashiro doesnt seem to want it fixed, at all.
@@huggablefern except Nabi continues to work with Uto despite the controversy that surrounded Uto earlier this year, even collabing with her and making a new outfit for Uto. In other words they still have a functional working relationship. Whereas as Kana states plainly in this video, amashiro is outright ghosting kana.
@@huggablefern Amashiro never terminated her affiliation with Kana even after she went indie so she is very much obligated to update the model she is affiliated with in a professional sense Amashiro ignoring Kana was happening long before Kana went on to become indie so saying "Amashiros client was Tsunderia" is irrelevant in this situation
it's a little sad considering nacho was her favorite artist, at least when she originally commissioned the l2d art, but she sounds really happy working with the new artist
Can you explain what happened
@@Erieolae How you gonna explain why nachoneko didn't ignore gokigen naname?
@@frederick5598 they can both speaks Japanese while kana only speaks English and I've heard they're close friends already, that's all I got tbh. altho it's pretty cool donut wants a full family collab including kana even, tho that's unlikely to happen I think
@@Erieolae I hope kana aim for even better after get her new look, and learn jp language including learn how to collab with ppl as well
She just voiced her frustrstion and is moving on after being ghosted for a year. Pretty reasonable response all things considered. She even says that she wishes no ill will. So I won't either. No point in being angry when everyone is moving on lol.
So to help clear some things up, for one, Kana explained further on she had no hate towards amashiro she was just annoyed she was having to find a different artist for her model when she thought she had one, and even said she liked gura and was nothing against her either, just aggravated after being ghosted for a year. Also take into account she has been drinking during this stream, like, alot. You can even hear her sluring a bit in the clip, so this isn't her being solid mind, also she was tired on top of being sick, this clip was like, 3 in the morning for her, she's not being toxic, she's having difficulty explaining.
alcohol helps to get the true feelings out
I mean that sucks to hear . I gess Gura is prio becouse of how big she got so everybody els just fuck of. Sound crazy to me to just ghost and not even beeing straight forward .
Now I'm inferring that since you mentioned gura, then they have the same artist. Now if the artist abandoned all others just for gura, then it is a real low move. Wether it be for Fame or just cause doesn't validate ghosting all others who reached out to work with the artist in the first place. It kinda shows that they don't really care.
@@lonelydeer9651 she recently designed emotes for luto. Another vtuber she illustrated. So its definitely not about only caring to do art for gura. I have a feeling its more about individuals vs people under a company since luto is working under prism while kana became fully independent.
@@gredystar8333 It is not the case either. Her daughter Naname is indie and she has less subs than kana and luto but she pays attention to her despite the sub difference. I think it is more about not understanding english that much that causes her to clam up. Gura collab stream proves it because her past stream with no avatar she has no problem with speaking to other in japanese.
Amashiro making an audible reaction to Kana's sub sound, not acknowledging it after seeing who it is, then thanking the person who sent bits afterwards.. o_O
Honestly that's way too rude. Not even acknowledging Kana's existence seems way over the line, for any situation. I don't understand...
I think it’s because kana went independent tbh her twitter is filled with gura but we do get some occasional stuff about luto but she never rt or tweets out anything about kana and naname which are both independent
@@user-vo3ps2oz7h She collabed with Naname
@@zorn2017 hmm yeah so i guess its not because she left tsunderia i also found an art she drew for kana in april and she left tsunderia in February
@@user-vo3ps2oz7h I see some Naname here n there, Kana def the least represented on Amashiro’s twit
I'm not ready for a new Kana
:(
I love how everyone is just ignoring what Kana said about Amashiro purposely ignoring her sub like I think that kinda spells out that she is actually ignoring her :/ I don’t even think this is even fully about the mama thing I think it’s mostly about how she’s being flat out ignored instead of being told no. Yeah she could’ve handled it better but I bet she’s very frustrated. I think she should be able to vent about this.
Exactly, thank you for actually watching the video.
Assuming it's true and exactly how it went. In my opinion, Amashiro acted like an asshat in this case.
in case you dont realize, amashiro haven't streaming or upload video 5 month ago and this video is from 3 month ago. thats mean, she is really busy with her work
@@mizilix3648 This is what I would choose to believe until Amashiro comments otherwise. I would hope she isn’t the kind of person to just ignore someone (especially a client) without a good reason to do so. Though after watching the whole video I’m not so sure. Sounds like she just didn’t want to continue working with her and handled it unprofessionally.
@@sphygo also, hololive probably pay her more to do new outfit. you cant just ask.
I'm glad that Kana is speaking on this matter, moreso because it does sound like she's being genuine about her experiences and I'm curious how the relationships are between Vtubers and their "mamas"/"papas".
However, I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt and say that things can sometimes be more complicated than it seems. Maybe it IS a lot simpler than how I'm looking at it. Overall, the only thing I'm sure of is that there's a lot not being addressed between the two of them, resulting in a lot of miscommunication.
Logically speaking, shouldn't you be inclined to work closely or have a good working relationship with a client,(like a vtuber), to ensure that you get their commissions, good publicity through collabs and maybe even simply just being proud of a artwork or live2d model that you did.
@@TowaMidriffEnjoyer You'd be right for all the reasons you stated, if things were looked at logically. Instead, we're only human and sometimes we get swept away by emotions and impulse, and sometimes fears and doubts, that we end up doing irrational things.
I just felt sorry for Kana, and the fact that she may got some hate after this, it make me more sad :(
i just wish for a further sober clarification, i don't want bad blood between ppl.
I won't really pick a side since I barely know both of the individuals involved, but I do support her decision wholeheartedly to hire a new artist (Henreader) to make a new design for her.
I presume most indie vtubers do a 1 time payment to the artist and rigger for designs and rig, I'm obligated to believe that Amashiro is occupied with long term contract from a company like Cover and want to prioritize that, it doesn't excuse the alleged ghosting of a client however.
As for Kana getting a completely new design, well I'm already used to seeing vtubers having big model change so it doesn't bother me at all.
isn't henreader *that* artist? it's great that artists aren't being excluded based on their ...other... work, but that takes balls. hopefully there will be no issues there.
@@wsrgs4 yeah
@@CartoonHangoutdoujin and manga artist who specialises in certain content that some people find objectionable (hololive without the hove).
She already had a major design change when she went from her original 3D to L2D anyway, can't be too bad.
Ghosting for a full year is something no artist should do, a simple no is better than full silence, poor Kana but Amashiro attitude leaves a lot to be desired
But seeing how Kana reacted to this whole thing, a simple "no" might be taken as an evidence of Amashiro's visceral deep-rooted hatred towards anything Kana...
This is not a method problem, it's a mindset problem. This matter should never have been public.
@@vallecend6855 On the contrary, a simple "no" would have ended this and it wouldnt have become public. Amashiro's refusal to cooperate or make things clear caused Kana to become more confused than anything, and at this point she's just tired and ready to move on.
@Audri ignoring someone on the internet basically or anywhere
She did tell here no though. Kana said she was told "I'm busy" multiple times. Japanese culture is very indirect so 空気読み(reading the room) is a big thing. "I'm busy" or "maybe later" means no.
@@matto03 and amashiro knows she's not dealing with a japanese
From a business perspective she is her client it is not right to just ignore your client after she tried to reach out for few times.
Her decision to move on to other artists was right as a vtuber you would want to give back to fans for special occasions one of it might be new costume.
At first I thought amashiro was just busy and all but after hearing how she just ignored her sub its a pretty clear indication that amashiro doesn’t want to have anything to do with kana there is still a positivity that amashiro just missed it kana should try resubbing next month and see if amashiro ignores her again
I really feel bad for her, and im not gonna say why or other. I’ll just say that im happy she’ll move on with a new and more comprensive artist, i also cheked him out on twitter and damn if he’s good
What is the artists name
@@gurlfuel1938 Henreader i don't recommend looking him up when your in public
@@hydr0lava225 HENREADER IS MAKING A VTUBER MODEL !?!
She’s definitely been holding this in, I imagine she needed an outlet and the alcohol loosened any inhibitions enough for her to get it off her chest.
Did Kana need to talk? Yes.
Was this the best way to handle it? No.
Is Kana trying to start drama? Unlikely.
i can understand an artist focusing on someone that is linked to your art and has the ability to reach more than a million people and is also linked to the biggest vtuber company at the moment.
but what was described here isn't that, it sucks that she had to go through such an unprofessional experience and this definitely lowered my impression of the artist. even if you look at her twitter you can see how she only retweet things related to herself or to hololive.
now i feel bad for naname and luto, they are probably going to suffer similar experiences.
Actually she came to visit Luto during her singing stream.
I can even send you a link if you like.
@@raimyonlinewarrior236 please do
@@r.bramaditya1095 note, i was responsible for this. th-cam.com/video/OkgZpUaPs6U/w-d-xo.html
She also visted Nanames return stream as well
also naname said they do a cover song together
Lonely fox
Good thing she move on and not trying to find a problem with it
When I deal with artist I pay upfront, that gives them more incentive to actually get the commission done.
Some artist overbook and I understand art takes time, and I am a very patient man but I have on occasion had to do charge backs because goods were not delivered.
In one case it was 4 months but because the artist was communicating I let it slide.
The case of a charge back was pretty much a ghosting then after I initiated a charge back then they message me to talk.
I appreciate the work artist do and that is why it is my policy to pay them upfront for small projects. I eventually want to find a itansha artist to draw gas tank art for my cruiser so I can have it wrapped.
Kana was more than fair imho.
Honestly good on Kana for finding an artist who will work with her. If Nacho's too busy to make content for all her clients then she shouldn't take any clients and focus on the one.
Damn and I thought the first child always got loved
isn't the last child the most loved?
The second child tends to be the most loved due to lessons learned from the first child. Later children are just going through the motions.
@@asianpersuasion4901 well isn’t it usually the first one that is supposed to be the responsible one? And don’t parents usually get tired after the first lol
@@mrk1mchi the first one has the most responsibility, but the youngest is the most loved, that's how I always thought of it
@@zorn2017 The last child is the most loved.
Everybody's talking about Amashiro and whatnot here in the comments, but surely I'm not the only one that nearly did a spit-take when she said "Henreader", right?!
If she changes her appearance now, it'll be like she's a different person... It won't feel the same... She'll still be cute, I'm sure, but if she stops being our little white fox, I'm gonna be so sad...
God dammit! Why does everything I like always have some drama behind it?! Just under 3 months ago, everything seemed fine? Natsuki drew Kana again at the start of April...nothing afterwards... Why would she just toss her to side like this? :( I don't understand...
Hm...thing is, she still has Kana tagged on her Twitter... I dunno...this all sounds strange...
@@NekoPufferPPP She didnt have Kana tagged for a long time, in fact Gura was tagged first and was the only one tagged until Luto came and then she tagged all her children.
@@zorn2017 I guess she does still care, but can't find the time to tend to everyone, so she didn't know how to respond to Kana when she subbed to her twitch... She does seem like a shy person so I can kinda understand, but that means Kana misunderstood her... Maybe I'm overthinking it.
A little late but you shouldn't worry about that
From what we've seen for now the model will be pretty much the same with only a different style
There won't be any gigantic changes and we will still have our favorite white fox
@@kanavirusthebreadmonarch5652 I saw the sneak peek she gave us, yeah, that was a big relief. I realized shortly after posting my first comment that Kana actually owns her design...no? Her first model was her design IIRC, so I had no reason to worry about it.
I really miss this design. One of the best Amashiro's works
Its been 2 month
And i am still suprises that in amashiro Bio still has her name and Kana aswell still put her name in her Bio
I hope everythings fine with them now
And also amashiro also draw kana in her stream
ikr
@@Taoutes there is lot reason she is busy. first, she said that she had work to do. And dont forget her 2d model and art that she need to finish. artist should finish their art and that takes time. also if you realise, that time also nachoneko havent stream or upload video for long time (4 month maybe)
@@mizilix3648 Kana seemed to have made clear that this was going on before Amashiro Natsuki (Now Nachoneko) took a break, since she talks about her sub being actively ignored.
Holy hell, Henreader?!
that's just ATROCIOUS to do to someone..WHY Amashiro?!
This has deff changed my opinion towards Amashiro under any moral circumstance you do this as a professional , specially to who I believe was her first daughter , the relationship between artist and VTuber is different, special , they are living breathing advertisements of your work . and people need to understand that criticizing Amashiro is not equal to attacking Gura , language barrier is no excuse as Amashiro recently made a new outfit for Gura and collabed with her , to Gura and colleagues like Nabi, Amashiro is a Saint, but Kana unfortunately has seen the worst of her . Is also saddening Kana hasn't even reached 200k after all this time, If you like Gura there is no reason not to watch Kana, they are like twins ,their humor their yabai moments , the biggest difference between the two is Gura got a southern accent .
Gura has hololive to be the "translator" for her, so there is no language barrier whatsoever in business between her and amashiro. Watching Amashiro stream, I see she is not the type to talk much either. It's like she has anxiety issue. She's not a bad person. She probably felt awkward and don't know how to talk to people. That's how I felt at least, basing on my own anxiety problem. Sometimes I overthink how to reply to people and in the end I end up not replying at all because I took too long that it became awkward to reply now. Then I don't know how to face them after that because I feel awkward for not replying.
@@natsudragneel-ir7sr And that's when the term professionalism comes in, she ignored Kana for a whole year and even ignored Kana membership, why would you try to make excuses for her? This is the equivalent of Nabi acting like Amelia doesn't exist for the next year, Amashiro only worries to social media stuff related to Gura
@@natsudragneel-ir7sr Amashiro has people on dial to translate for her, just like Henreader does.
@kwai uwu Nacho still drew the model, and it wasnt based on the 3D model, it was based on a reference drawing. Dont be an idiot.
Um...I don't follow kana much and I don't really know how things work but...
Wasn't ignore a little too much? They might be mama and daughter but they're still basically still a business relationship?
If ignore here means not collabing then even nacho has Irl life and if ignore here means not giving her new outfits then... Does artist/mama give her model daughter a free outfit? Again idk how things work but I think artist make contracts with their daughters or sons, I think independent vtuber won't be able to afford long term multiple outfits and maybe Hololive and other big name actually do that kind of contracts.
this was a long time ago, someone had mentioned that kana was very drunk in this stream, nacho mama drew her in a passpartout stream, kana and nacho has each others' twitter @ in their bios
really theres no reason to think that nacho is still purposefully ignoring her, this is an update before more people get recommended this and start picking sides blindly
She has long since moved on, her new model is in the works and will be ready sometime later this year.
Henreader is a god tier artist if it's THE henreader I'm thinking of.
reading comments to understand whats going on but from my perspective
being told im busy for 1 year is pretty much the same as being ghosted, you cant make time for 1 person to talk to them about anything in 1 year? is your life so filled that you cant even relax.
so that cant be an excuse. but as kana said maybe amashiro was too shy and such to be able to talk about it i mean she is not a buisness she is 1 person and couldnt communicate herself well. but i have seen real buisnesses just straight up ignore requests and interviews with people as well. so i wanted to make that clear.
next is on the topic of working together, they probably didnt have a contract however hololive probably does, so they can create costumes and new outfits for their talents. its probably important that other vtubers working alone also want that as well, and kana maybe did as well, for 1 year. since art styles are artist unique, no one else can recreate it so she was probably trapped to work with amashiro or get a new artist. however amashiro did say she was busy however that implys that she maybe willing to work together later which was not the case after 1 year. if she is too busy she cant do this, then it is for the best that kana get a whole new artist however that does mean her current character will die. to some extents but it opens up more oppertunities to work together and create more stuff for her.
i do not think amashiro was being so mean, rude and unprofessional yes. i mean being told your busy for 1 year straight is very awful not only that but the ignored dontation as well. that she didnt even say her name. amashiro can have favourites and i also think its hololives influence and money thats better to work with from a personal standpoint. i mean art is very difficult and takes time, so earning money appropriatly is important as well.~
all in all there is a lot to understand but it feels strange disceting amashiros though process to justify her responses while at the same time pointing out what she did wrong. we will never know what she really thought or wanted but we do know that being told your busy and then being ignored by name when giving a sub, is a big nono.
Kana was the only one treated like this. Every other daughter was treated just fine. She even did a cover with one of them. There was probably a misunderstanding between the two of them, or Amashiro may not have considered Kana as a daughter. Kana was the only one that was not tagged and was not a completely done by Amashiro.
@@notimportant6047
i see.
but amashiro did acknowledge her existance, saying shes busy.
and 2) as kana said, amashiro went silent when she saw her name but read out in full the bits donated by the next person. i dont know the exact details could be a mind slip but as far as kana knows and saw shes saying she was purposefully ignored, you cant rationalise it that way unless it did seem like that.
@@AustinPinheiro_uniquetexthere ok, then I can’t even guess what happened between the two of them.
It's both reasonable that if Amashiro is busy making her own career that she focus on that and that if Kana wants an ongoing working relationship with an artist that she change to a different artist. The only issue is with being ghosted but that's not really an Amashiro thing that's a Japan thing because it is super common in Japan due to their non-confrontational culture (which Kana touches on).
Please don’t use “culture” to justify treating people poorly. Ignoring a someone like this is just childish and cowardly, no matter what country you’re in.
The problem with that is the Japanese also take business relationships seriously, so in actuality Amashiro is kinda in breach of those customs
@@alexanderfreeman3406 where are they justifying that?
hearing this makes me thinks a lot
amashiro has always been one of my favorite artist since many many years ago
like, since i firstly got into japanese anime ish art community
its actually quite hard to understand what amashiro actually had in her mind from ignoring her that much, ive actually noticed since i realized that kana have live2d from her that there’s haven’t been any further art for her and i do as everyone that i wanted the answer about the truth from her but i would rather let this drama settled down in a good way
yes ik what she did was absolutely bad but its not something i should get involved with or either should get even more dramatic i would still consider amashiro as one of my favorite artist and would like to think this didn’t really happened
so i hope no one actually would decide to flamed on her or attack her in any ways
ah yes, im outside and haven’t watched the video but ik its about amashiro completely ignore her
Alot of Vtuber mamas have left streaming and doing art for others for awhile. Some left to go to college, others breaks, some for job focus and so on. Mostly all have been taking time off to go to school and all left around this time. Even some of the mamas kids left as well. Some have some back others haven't. Nabi Mama being one who left (Amelia Watsons mom). She showed up on Kiara's stream once as a guest but hasn't been active. So yeah lots of people are leaving but they usually annouce their leave, afew do not. Also Amashiro didn't ghost completely she just kept saying she was busy and the just left. I saw someone mention that she was gone for months before this video even happened. So who knows. Either way japanese aren't very direct which makes it hard. But I still love Amashiro and her work.
Anyone trying to create bullshit about this is willfully misinterpreting things, you can tell how broken up she is about this.
Man.... actually the same feelings when your parents care more for their favourite child than you.
update:
quite some time has passed since, kana is no longer streaming on youtube, while amashiro is streaming on youtube nowadays
instead kana is streaming on twitch, and is probably no longer a NEET
wonder when amashiro is streaming with her live2d on twitch tho
yes this video is aging as well as sebastian vettel's bid to win a world championship while in ferrari
(only f1 fans get this)
Henreader... interesting
I don't want to pick a side. This is just bad all around. It will lead to more artists not taking on multiple clientele if they can't handle the workload. Kana could have worded it better but it looks like drastic measures will need to be taken to improve upon her model and content. I hope this doesn't either of them in a bad light but unforunately it is too late to change what has happened.
Kana isn't asking you to pick sides, she didn't really meant to start drama, I think she's tired and disheartened. Amashiro has every right to focus on what she wants to focus on, she just should have been nice in letting Kana know ahead of time.
I understand both sides of the problem, Natsuki is the designer of the most popular vtuber in the world, she is probably fully busy with gura work + her own work as vtuber + her own model design. Her other "children" are not even remotely as popular as Gura and not even as popular as Natsuki herself, so spending too much time on them was not a good business decision. On the other hand, Natsuki could probably handle the situation a little bit better, by trying to explain kana the situation so at least they could finish their business relationship in a more friendly way.
I recently followed nacho on her Twitter and saw her bio with 4 of her creations (except Nivi). Then I saw this vid, I thought they're okay.
man
It's just business but there are so many other talented artists that would be more than willing to work with her. When your number 1 client is the biggest vtuber in the world it makes sense she wouldn't have time for the others anymore especially if she started streaming and making her own content as well.
._.)....there's a lot of sad things tonight but it's not like.....sigh nvm.
Gee I guess I missed a lot after bingeing other vtubers. Not just a few months ago wasn’t she a more pure character saying stuff like no swearing on stream? Corruption got to her that fast huh
what happen from her artist creator?
idk maybe watch the video
Kana used the F word, shudder! And she completely jumped to conclusions because being told "I'm busy" for only over a year doesn't equal getting ghosted. The sub ignore part is on Kana as well, she even said "I kinda wanted to be evil". What about the favoritism, you ask? Well, that's completely normal. Do you see Natsume complain about yasuyuki who favors Rushia? Tenten complain about Gaou who favors Aqua? Nope. She can't seriously expect to get the full experience of being loved dearly, nor can she expect to get like fanart every 2 days. "I just want to work with her on a business standpoint and she is clearly telling me to F off." Really, using the F word again? And lol, imagine expecting to be able to work with a business partner who's as busy as Nacho. Kana should act more professional.
-Satiric attempt to parody the numerous comments judging Kana based on this clip (which at least 50% of them didn't seem to have watched the video in full).
Didn’t she just say she didn’t care about getting artwork every 2 days? It seems more like you didn’t watch tbh. She even said she wanted to be evil because she was being ignored and that “evil” was just seeing if she would acknowledge her supporting her. She didn’t go to her stream and antagonize her she just subbed. No matter how busy someone is you literally cannot explain why her not acknowledging Kana just because she said “I wanted to be evil.”
Kana said that all she gets is “I’m busy” if anything at all. This means she’s been straight up ignored. Mama’s letting her priorities beat her morals
...For the record, my comment sounds intentionally ridiculous to make fun of people who bash Kana because they seemingly did not pay attention to the video or maybe they didn't even watch it at all.
Thank God it's a parody, because otherwise I'd be worried that S-Train or Scoopta showed up.
im pretty sure being told im busy for a year stright is the same as ghosting.
i ahve experianced it before.
from a non buisness standpoint if you truly cared about the other person or buisnes. you should be able to make time in 1 year.
amashiro dosent want to work with kana but didnt say so. thats the problem.
also the original artist is important since no one can recreate their art style, its not contractual to work with them after the initial peice but its kind of given, im sure hololive have that kind of contract so they can create more art and costumes over time. but kana didnt have that.
but its still important to have to renew your art and stuff.
so being ignored for 1 year instead of being told truthfully, also means kana lost 1 years worth of progress in artistic content. costumes etc.
Oh gosh. Kana has an adorable baby voice. Wonder what would have happened if she reached out to Gura for a collab.
Kana doesnt like to do collabs with people she doesnt know personally. Her previous collabs did not go well due to her shyness.
@@zorn2017 I meant for the purpose of grabbing her favouring mama's attention. I see your point though.
@@MysteryFaceX Why would she do that when SUBBING TO HER MAMA'S TWITCH resulted in being ignored? Did you watch the video above?
@@zorn2017 Cuz the idea seemed funny to me. She can't ignore her when she's hanging out with her favourite child! HA-HA!
@@MysteryFaceX 🤡
Regardless of it being "Japanese Culture" to be non confrontational and hoping Kana to "get it" or because she's not a part of Tsunderia but Indie, this is very unprofessional as an artist. Kana literally can't even get a model update, for one year at that.
Amashiro's reputation really just went down for me, not as a Vtuber artist but as an individual artist. That's just a dick move tbh if she isn't giving any form of communication or reply. Especially that story about gifted subs on Twitch. Jesus Christ, lady.
There are 2 sides to every story.
It's things like this in particular that made me fall out of love with Hololive because artists who get a chance to work with Hololive in making a Vtuber largely favour making content for their Hololive vtuber instead of showing support for all their clients. Then there's also the Holo stans who're shocked Kana even exists; let alone Luto and Naname.
@@CartoonHangout op never said that all hololive fans are stans wdym? all they said was “then there’s also the hololive stans.”
Not really Hololive's fault that an artist no longer wishes to take commissions from a former client. Plenty of artists still support all their vtuber children just as hard.
wdym? this is the first time I heard a Vtuber artist who works for Hololive has ghosted this much an indie or a less known vtuber.
Ayamy often collab with their daughters, Pochi really likes the idea of "vtuber family" or even Anya's mom, who's really busy because she just had a baby a few months ago, still makes content for Pochi Korone and Polka Luca (the first had an entire restaurant full of art from her) while still accepting commisions (like Mel's merch in March-April)
@@4473021 pochi streams with her babies all the time. and she's a hella busy person.
I think Amashiro's only mistake was ghosting Kano. If amashiro just said she had too much on her plate to help Kano out, I don't think Kano would be nearly disappointed as she is now.
@@kross7023 thank you! I dunno what op is talking about, this is the first time I've seen a vtuber artist outright ignore one of their clients.
Don't get me wrong, getting ghosted sucks, but I don't think its the artist's responsibility to ACTUALLY be a vtuber's mom? She still did an amazing job with Kana's avatar. Completely swapping to a new model seems odd.
Try watching the video, Kana doesnt want full attention, she just wanted to work with Amashiro.
Well, with how much money goes into creating any type of content for Vtuber (animations, facial expressions, emotes, and everything else under the sun) you would think that they would keep in contact with their clientele or keep them in the loop. "I have a deadline by X date, I might not be able to take up any request or admissions, or blah blah blah" Yet this isn't the case at all. In our discords we talk about a lot of stuff, the whole "being least favorite child" is prevalent as Amashiro has done jack shit with anything with Kana at all, while as to keeping up with Gura, Naname, and Luto. Ofc she's not entitled to this or that, but with purchases this big you're going to keep your client in the loop at all times if things come up as it seems that people don't consider this.
Why would it seem odd completely switching, if someone has made it clear that they're ghosting you then there's nothing you can do to get a response then why continue supporting them at all? This isn't me trying to create any conflict, I'm just seeing a pattern to some of the people's reasoning and out of this comment section it's leaning heavily in one direction. The purpose of my remarks is simply a counter, Kana has been trying to get in contact with Amashiro for over the past year and if someone is going to ghost you the next best thing is to simply move on. There's no reason to get caught up on shit, she literally is the "least favorite child", she's not burning any bridges with this comment she's simply just moving on.
"Oh maybe, she's just busy" yeah she's looks over Gura, Naname, and Luto but at the end of the day she's an artist. Most artist simply struggle to the end of the month but to simply avoid contact with one of your contacts in such a field of work with this much money on the table? Most artist and nearly ANY business dream of these types of relationships with clients so that they keep coming back. Yeah, it possibly couldn't be anything else now could it?
For one, kana was drinking alot so actually talking about and explaining what she means was probably difficult, she didn't demand "Oh love me now!" More just said "Hey at least let me know what I'm doing here, you're the only one who can really do this." As it's not like a picture she's wanting drawn it's modifications to a pre-existing model.
Vtubers changing and upgrading their model/design isn't a rare occurrence so don't be surprised when it happens. For example the vtuber (that got mildly viral from a reddit S.O.S. post) Naito Mearu has had 2-3 model changes (totalling in 3 or 4 models, I don't remember exactly) throughout her vtubing activities.
For a more popular example; Sakura Miko, Hoshimachi Suisei, AZKi, and to some extent Momosuzu Nene from Hololive has had some major model and design changes as well (especially AZKi).
To be fair she's not asking for her to be her mom. It was poorly communicated because she was drunk but the crux of the problem is that she tried to get in contact for a new design for a whole year and got pretty much zero response. If you put the personal drama between them two aside and look at it objectively I'd say it's pretty reasonable to be a bit annoyed and decide to move on to a different artist on her end. Imagine if you ordered something from Amazon and the package never came and every time you tried to contact customer support you got an automated response. You'd probably cancel the order and order from a different site right?
QAQ
Being a "VTuber mama" is non-binding right? If so Amashiro technically doesn't have any obligations to work with Kana after the initial model.
No, but she still deliberately ignored Kana and wanted nothing to do with her even if purely for business, and all without giving a reason or being clear with Kana about it. Kana wanted to retain her model and commission updates from Amashiro, and Amashiro gave her the cold shoulder, so Kana is switching artists because she has no choice.
It sure is not but imagine this one day kana feels like she wants to somehow make some little changes to her avatar but instead of asking amashiro the original creator she decided to do it herself.
See how that would spell disaster? No artists like being corrected by anyone ever if she is too busy she can at least give permission to kana for altering her art or tell her to find other artist (in a good term).
@@1stDRAGonLINE I'm sure when she said "Henreader will make a new design" it'll be an entirely new _new_ design, so it won't have much to do with Amashiro's design. Maybe with similar color palette but that's it (she did say it'll come with a new outfit, so I'll presume it'll be something completely different than what she has now).
@@1stDRAGonLINE Maybe I'm wrong but does she need Amashiros permission? She paid for it so I assume she owns the design. I expect she can do whatever she wants with it and if Amashiro gets pissed maybe she shouldn't have ghosted her lmfao
She just wanted to work with her that’s it people are acting like Kana said “play with me please talk to me” she just wanted to do business with the person drawing her that’s it.
wow wth happen ; ;
Someone in the chat is fucking rude he literally said he like kana more than gura bro you can t say that that pretty much rude you not kana you not amashiro you not gura you just viewer you don't have the right to be rude and say you like kana more when she literally mad about amashiro giving more love to gura that just obvious rude I love them both but I'm just viewer I don't have the right to pick side on who wrong and who right I just hope it won't become a big fight
bad nacho😡😡😡
Well, I do find it funny, Amashiro was too busy & basically ignored Kana, then later has the gall to draw her character in a stream after this whole situation? After she forced Kana to a new artist & platform. Now she has the time to acknowledge Kana's character? Why bother? She never seem to consider Kana one of her's anyway. Pretty much feels like kicking Kana when she was down. Just personal speculation at this point, considering the little info that was presented.
Oh well, Onee-san Kana Kamiko is dead. At least reborn Kana seems happier. Also, wasn't Kana looking for a whole new design? The Henreader design basically looks the same as the original. Also, I just discovered the doughnut sister today, that's what led to this Kana news. It's a wonder I haven't seen her in ages.
Kana is assuming Amashiro dislikes her to some degree, even though nothing bad happened between both of them (as far as we know). Maybe Amashiro is actually busy, maybe she has another reason to not want to work or be able to. But I think Kana is wrong to come up with this headcannon that Amashiro hates her and wants nothing to do with her, for no reason.
I mean, when you get straight up ignored multiple times...its hard not to take it to heart
There’s a reason most people keep mum about behind-the-scenes business relationships.
Kana burning bridges in such a public manner is a warning to all potential future collaborators.
@@hohens7118 She's been trying to fix the relationship for like a year now with no result, you cant say she didnt try. Without Amashiro on board Kana is basically stuck with no potential updates to the model. And since Amashiro is refusing to work with Kana, Kana has nothing left to do but cut ties.
@@zorn2017 Yeah it's kinda pathetic honestly. Not even an ETA on when something can get done. After a year of "im too busy" then I'd move on too.
@@hohens7118 This is true. She's hurting other people's reputation and also herself in the process. And it's one thing if it's a serious issue such as harassment or the like, but when someone just simply doesn't want to work with you anymore, getting this worked up about it will send bad signals to everyone, potential business partners included.
I honestly don't like how Kana acted in this and really feel this is very unproffesional of her putting Amashiro on the spot like that.
I think the problem is Kana's an indie now and Amashiro is being contracted by multiple agencies because of Gura's sucess. If you check any of the popular Vtuber Mama's they tend to only work with corporations because working with an indie does have it's own risk, like say an indie subtly bad-mouthing you when you don't want to do business with them.
Also, vtuber-mama culture is not exactly something set in stone. There are a lot of Vtubers in Nijisanji who barely get a passing mention from their creators. Some creators don't even get credited. I know all of us got used to Pochi (Reine), Nabi(Ame), and Fukahire (Korone) spoiling their kids rotten but for every Vtuber-mama or Papa like that, there's always some who are like Miko's original creator who doesn't even shill her (not even a mention on their twitter bio). Ordan who is Sora's mama had to adopt her once she moved to Hololive proper and is basically the one in charge of all of her updates. Even Fukahire rarely (if ever) shills her Niji-son (Shellin). This is still a business everyone and artist are not obligated to continue relations with anyone, especially if they're being contracted by a big player like Hololive who will offer them a more lucrative business compared to working with an indie. There's a reason why being a part of a corporation like Hololive and even smaller ones like prism project is a lot better than trying to make it as an indie.
Youre completely missing the point here. This has nothing to do with obligations and what not, Kana is simply wanting to continue working with Amashiro and she is being refused but not straightforwardly. The matter is extenuated by the fact that Amashiro is deliberately ignoring Kana on multiple instances. Kana has basically ran out of options here. She wanted to keep in business with Amashiro for model updates, paid work, and Amashiro is looking the other way on purpose without saying why. If she communicated properly with Kana to some extent, making it clear why she is being the way she is, then Kana wouldnt have reached this point. Amashiro accepted the commission from Tsunderia, and by ghosting Kana she put her in a difficult position. This has nothing to do with "Vtuber-mama culture", and everything to do with an artist refusing to do business without being clear as to why they are refusing. Amashiro's treatment and lack of acknowledgement of Kana in comparison to her other daughters is just adding more layers onto the issue rather than being the source of the problem.
@@zorn2017 As you mentioned yourself, Amashiro did business with Tsunderia, not Kana. When Kana left Tsunderia and became an Indie, from a business standpoint, she had no more obligations to deal with Kana. Kana did indeed try to reach out to her as she mentioned but as my original post stated, high-profile vtuber illustrators don't like dealing with indies. Even the passive-aggresive way that Amashiro is dealing with this is just the japanese being non-confrontational to an absurd degree which they tend to do in hopes that the other party will take the hint and fuck off.
Look, I know Kana is in a tough spot and let's be honest here, she does have a tendency to spiral into negativity whenever things don't go as planned. She really should have just let this be. Get a new model and say that she really couldn't wait for Amashiro to be available.
@@marcomilag5875 Then that would be a lie, because Amashiro wasnt just unavailable, she was ignoring Kana. She didnt want to do business "just because", not because she was busy. I have professional artist friends and they say they jump on the opportunity to find work in this industry. Vtuber models are a lucrative business right now, and Amashiro ignoring Kana's business inquires means she personally doesnt want to work with Kana. I dont care about "Japanese culture" crap, if Kana was a "problem" to Amashiro, that means Amashiro is the one who had the problem with Kana. What was the problem? Who the fuck knows because Amashiro clammed up about it and Kana is the only one who gets burnt here.
@@zorn2017 No it wouldn't be a lie. It'd just be sticking with the facts. I tried to contact Amashiro but couldn't get in touch with her (true), I can't wait for her to get back to me or be available so I've decided to just get a new model (true). No need to add any stuff like my mom doesn't like me (unconfirmed). Also, like I mentioned earlier, working with a company is way more lucrative than working with an indie. Your proffesional friend might be employed by a ton of indies, but they're not getting employed by the top companies who would bring in more cash. Also, in regards to who was at fault, people could easily bring up the fact that it was Kana who quit tsunderia and is having problems with Amashiro and they could easily reverse the situation and say maybe it's Kana who's the problem. I'm not gonna do that of course because I'd rather not imply anything if I don't know specifics from BOTH parties. Again, I'm only commenting on the fact that (1) Kana messed up and comes off as unproffesional in this instance. (2) There's so many ways that she could have gone about this and not make things open to speculation cause this is the internet and no one actually debates from an unbiased point of view.
@@marcomilag5875 it is still really rude to just stop working with one of your clients simply because they became independent and it's even more rude to not straight up tell them "hey I'm going to unfortunately have to stop working with you".
Kind of an overdramatic way to burn bridges and create narratives that Amashiro hates her because of getting ghosted, knowing Amashiro she's a busy shy lady herself and she only touched up on Kana's model compared to designing it like the other vtubers she worked on. Sad to see her switch but if you come up with some idea in your head that Amashiro is your mama that views you as her least favorite child, then switching artists is probably for the best
All the other vtubers she worked on were designed off references as well. Amashiro has been ignoring Kana's business inquiries for a year now, this isnt all just in Kana's head, she is being ghosted.
'Knowing Amashiro". Stop.
You don't know Amashiro. Much like every V-Tuber, content creator, and indeed person you call a mutual on twitter, you only see what they are comfortable with you seeing.
Watch any clip of the cute and cuddly Yuzuki Roa of Nijisanji and tell me she would be at the heart of a scandal where she had her management essentially blackmail another member out of the company for having the same dialect as her. Watch anything of Jitomi Monoe and tell me there were hints she'd break a contract so badly she'd be ejected from what is.basivally an Indie brand.
If Kana says she's tried to maintain a business relation and has failed then that's to be taken at face value. Kana cannot get model updates or new outfits or anything without her as things stood. She was left in stasis, and has had her hand forced to switch designers as a result.
Amashiro has a responsibility to Kana and everyone else she draws for. That's literally her job. She can at least say 'No' or, if she was genuinely busy, be more proactive about it.
But as she said, and it's completely true, the Japanese are non-comfrontarional, and rely on the problematic person taking the hint and leaving of their own accord. Kana is doing just that, so to absolve Amashiro of any wrongdoing here boggles the mind.
@@ItsCassius And yet by Kana doing this, the only thing she accomplishes is burning bridges. If you already know the person your dealing with is non-confrontational, she should just have taken the hint and left it at that. No need to interject your own headcanon and imply stuff that you're not privy too. Ever wonder why the top artist rarely contract with indies? This is the reason why. Indies have a lot of freedom which includes doing stuff like this.
@@marcomilag5875 oh boo hoo, is Amashiro not the pure heart you thought she was? Maybe if she didnt want this issue publicly raised she should have told Kana why she cant do work. Maybe, i dont know, give a timeline? Say when she will be available? Apparently that was too fucking hard, so it left Kana feeling like she pissed off her mama or something and sulking about it for a year and being completely in the dark about why this was happening. I say the bridge should have been burned even earlier.
@@zorn2017 Business is business. Irregardless of who was at fault you do everything that you can to salvage that bridge until it becomes impossible to do so. It's the reason why people still work with Kadokawa and Konami despite all the stupid shit that they pull. Kana messed up on this one. Hopefully this doesn't get big enough that both Amashiro and Kana get affected by it.
This is just unnecessary drama and an unprofessional action.
Private business should stay private. If someone says "I'm busy" to you a couple of times and you feel like you're ignored then just move on, no need to make it a public announcement and make it seem like that person has some sort of special hatred towards you when that's most likely not the case.
Amashiro doesn't have any obligation towards Kana anymore so she should be free to do whatever she wants, and that includes not working with Kana anymore. Since that side of the world wants to rant so much about personal freedom and rights, they should also learn how to respect others' decisions.
IF you are going to use (un)professional route the professional and respectful thing from creator, artist, or any normal person when they receive message, private or business one, would be to respond with clear YES or NO so that person that send inquiry can decide what to do next.
It's called COMMON SENSE but it is dead thing for some time now.
Especially in the WEST.
Most businesses and artist generally say "I deny your commission" "I refuse to work with you" "We terminate our relationship with you"
Kana's model was made by Amashiro for the most part, Kana is showing respect by having Amashiro be the one to update and work on it.
Amashiro refuses to give a explicit refusal, I don't blame kana for going to another artist, and while she shouldn't have aired her dirty laundry It was one year of being ignored.
What if Kana already paid Amashiro for the update work but no product was delivered?
Are you sure you watched the video? She stated what she said was already public knowledge. All she did was essentially confirm the rumour mill, which is far better than letting it continue unabated in an apocryphal state. So much for "private business".
If you make a model for a vtuber and doesn't terminate your affiliation with them then you are very much obligated to make updates for that model
"Just move on" is a very convenient thing to say when you're not the one paying for the new model in addition to the model being pretty much your brand
Keep in mind that Kans was drinking.
If she were to look at this clip she might be embarrassed and be like “maybe I should’ve worded it better” but now it’s on the internet.
I guess you never really know how this chinese tubers are. Please god let Pekora and Debi chan be decent people irl 🙏
I get what you’re trying to get across, but why Pekora and Debidebi?
Also they’re Japanese
@@CuriosityMisledMe They r my favorites
@@kcherin93 This problem just stems from Amashiro’s lack of confrontation with Kana.
Not giving a clear response, if any at all, has pretty much caused Kana to be lost in the dark about their situation, creating confusion and frustration.
Based JP artists ghosting boring twitch vtubbie.
She better have some mad amount of monies, or henreader will drop her too.
Kana streams on TH-cam actually and has over 100K subs, think before you type.
Different platform doesn't mean she isn't boring. Cope.
@@Clain_1337 "cOpE" you're probably 12 and socially awkward in real life
@@vanillatry Sneed
@@Clain_1337 been on 4chan quite a lot aren't you
Artists like Amashiro don't take that many contracts from individual vtubers. The mama/papa dynamic is purely business, and not that many actually put that much time into it. They're more likely to do so when they still have a contract or business connection with a company to keep a good relationship. She streamed with Gura because she's going to start streaming herself. Streaming with the most popular vtuber in the world whose character you designed is a pretty good way to advertise.
Think about when Uto debuted last year and Ame's chat turned into people talking about how they were siblings. She made it clear that they didn't actually have any real connections and just shared an artist. As entitled as Kana is being here, it's no wonder Amashiro didn't message her back, she was probably genuinely uncomfortable.
Watch the fucking video, Kana isnt being entitled at all. Kana just wanted to work with Amashiro on updates to her model but she is being ignored. And she pointed out that there is clearly favoritism happening, not as a "mama" but as a client relationship. She has been wanting to fix this "relationship" for a year and Amashiro doesnt seem to want it fixed, at all.
@@zorn2017 But kana wasn't the client, Tsunderia was amashiros client so your argument doesn't make sense.
@@huggablefern WAS. Now Kana wants to be the client because she doesnt have a choice if she wants to keep the model.
@@huggablefern except Nabi continues to work with Uto despite the controversy that surrounded Uto earlier this year, even collabing with her and making a new outfit for Uto. In other words they still have a functional working relationship. Whereas as Kana states plainly in this video, amashiro is outright ghosting kana.
@@huggablefern Amashiro never terminated her affiliation with Kana even after she went indie so she is very much obligated to update the model she is affiliated with in a professional sense
Amashiro ignoring Kana was happening long before Kana went on to become indie so saying "Amashiros client was Tsunderia" is irrelevant in this situation
Based Kana is Best Kana.
I wish more vtubers would be as honest as her.