This is amazing. Your making endgame speakers for people that only wish they could have real Jtr’s. Every time I see these in a theater I’m like omg these must sound insane but at that price they better. Your changing the game in an awesome way. Im definitely going to build these one day.
@@crazycuz100 I bet they would sound better. I am sure his custom crossover is going to be better than a production JBL design. and You know the cabinet is going to be build stronger with better bracing.
When I finished my floorstanding speakers, I felt the same lol I didn't realize how "big" they were until I stood them up. And after all the gluing and bracing with 3/4" MDF, they were heavy as hell. But they sound amazing and I loved the project.
Spraying armorall onto that matress pad, will prevent them from dry rotting. You should also always use pure clear silicone divers grease on all the rubber surrounds.
tip , to fix the issue you have on min 6:42 , remember that MDF is basically sawdust and glue compressed, so you could've add sawdust to that glue too to fill any hole or imperfection in MDF, the only thing with that is that you would've to wait a little bit longer to allow it dry cure.
Great build. I am a big fan of having the same, L/C/R speakers at least for the main 3 front channels so I would be building these with the SB Audience Rosso-65CD-T-8 and H280 horn instead so that I can cross them over at 600-700Hz which will make them suitable for horizontal use as well. Yes, I know, the manufacturer suggests a minimum crossover frequency at 1K but that's for PA use. For home hifi you can probably cross them as low as 500Hz with a 4th order crossover. They will never use more than a few watts of power.
Just in case anybody is thinking of using mattress pads or packing foam for acoustical treatment in a room DON'T. Look up the station fire for why not. It is fine inside a sealed enclosure, and probably fine in a ported enclosure. (I do worry that a ported enclosure could become a chimney once the cone burns through. Just don't put it on walls or ceilings.
I just totally wished you had a reference speaker like the Klipsch R-800F where you can compare your DIY speakers to and explain the strengths/weaknesses to said reference. It's very hard for the viewer to know whether it's worthwhile to build it and perhaps be disappointed when it's finished.
i think in diy we tend to hear what actulay the sound is brand always adds some ups and downs in their speakers to call them their signatures when comparing each and every speaker there will be difference and that will certaily base on one's way if approch
@@BostonMike68 Yeah, but it's not about smoking it. It's about telling potential builders how much better/worse it is compared to a popular and easily auditioned speaker like the Klipsch or other reference speaker if Toids chose to.
It's not even in the same ballpark. He's using 2 12" high efficiency professional drivers those are what people use for concerts and big events. They are 98 SPL per watt or something crazy. You can't even compare them they have a aluminum basket with a 3 " inch voice coil. Klipsch steel stamped basket aluminum cone 1.5 voice coil like he said if you had to buy something like that he modeled after it would cost $14000 you can't compare a big box store speaker with something like that it will put perform it in every way. I built a lot of speakers and I want to build them I was just on Madison sound website and saw the specs of the compression drivers and woofers the only thing you can compare it to is what he modeled it after
@@BostonMike68 Did you not understand what is meant by a reference speaker? ... It's a way to compare it so that someone who wishes to build it will know what they are getting. Toids just says... It sounds good, it sounds great... What the heck does that mean? ... Say something like it has extended response to 25khz at -3db. It has better linearity across the midrange compared to the Klipsch. It has sharper imaging, 10db more dynamic headroom than the klipsch... Etc. Just saying it sounds great doesn't help people who are going to spend hundreds of dollars on drivers etc. I'm not arguing what is better or worse... I just want more comparative info and yes... A 1k diy speaker can easily out class a 3k retail speaker and that is what Toids should be saying.
I’ve been dreaming about jtr speakers ever since I learned about them. Save money and diy. Love it. Using these as LCR, which of your other builds would you pair with these for rear surrounds?
Now that’s an exciting design! The first thing you said was you needed a 3rd for your LCR. Could you do a horizontal plan? Maybe have it rear ported and the arrangement veneered for a nice clean centre speaker look?
I seriously might build these, I almost bought the JTR 212 HTR but when I saw them they were $2999 a piece then they bumped up the price to $3299 and now $3499. At 3 grand they were expensive but obtainable but now just way out of reach. Beautiful build btw and can't wait to see the 3 in your home theater.
Biggest issue with bigger drivers is the larger the driver the lower the beaming point is. That's why you'll see higher midrange to tweeter crossovers on smaller drivers. An 18" driver would start to beam at around 700hz.
I made some speakers with an open 10" coaxial driver monted on top of a speaker box and a 10" woofer in the box. It's dipole and point source (above 300 hz) and the woofer fires down onto the floor. Sounds come from nowhere, and imaging is off the scale! 🎉
Are triad gold monitors next? That would be sweet. I'm interested in these as well, I just might give these a shot, I've been looking for a diy speaker project for behind my screen, but I'm wanting something without a horn waveguide. I'll be checking your channel frequently. Good stuff man.
as a old school car audio guy myself, I do this same way of building sub boxes myself and been doing car audio for 35 years now...yes I have build some home audio in that time too..
High 90's, most likely. Exact sensitivity isn't that important... relevant point, it's high, it's up there. Dual LF drivers, presenting 4ohm load, compression HF, loaded into a horn... high 90's, likely triple digits. The higher voltage sensitivity is the big attribute of this piece. Truly dig this build, it's raw, it likely could've benefited from matrix bracing... but pursuing down the path of high sens is a worthy pursuit. Refinement will come. My take, I'd go active, dsp contoured, diy multi-way chip amps. Inexpensive, high performance specs. This path of pursuit with a measuring rig, will elicit significant growth and grasp of big picture... (the room's acoustic transfer function) Ultimately turning to the physics of acoustics... and simple room optimization (where some huge gains are encountered).
Very nice. I would love to hear something like that. I have just never been a fan of compression drivers. I'm a silk dome. Then again, maybe I haven't heard them setup right. After all I do like my titanium dome tweeters in my Paradigm monitor 11s.
Love the channel. I am in the process of building a home and my theater also. I purchased your plans, and I will be building these for my LCR. What would you recommend building for the surround sides and rears? As well as dolby Atmos?
Have you done any evaluation of different foam for the inside of the cabinet. The reason I ask is that I have small amount of experience of quieting down a loud machine by placing egg crate foam on the wall behind the machine. Egg crate foam used for packing material had almost no effect but when we purchased egg crate foam that was sold for its acoustic properties it had a very significant effect on the noise level reflected from the wall. There was no discernable difference in the feel or weight of the two materials.
joseph crowe did some measurements on this woofer. the impedance profile is almost like a tweeter. very low inductance which translate to very snappy bass and clean midrange.
Nice man! I wish I had the tools and time to do this. I bet they sound awesome. I'd love to hear some classical/orchestral music that has a lot of dynamic range on these.
Those are awesome 👌. I wish you would let me finish the exterior. They really deserve a top notch finish. Not saying it's bad, but I just don't like the roller finish.
Hey man!! Thanks for this video. I planning to build my home music studio to mix and sometime master my work. High end speakers are ridiculously pricy. How would you compare your speakers to a studio monitors Or if you can, please build one for music studio. thank you and blessings!!
yes build it right with out the crazy cost nice drivers man ! .i get a kick out of silly numbers like 14k speaker or 80k trucks .yea ok lol .got the 12 driver from Eminence 4 inch coil normal magnets. heavy around 20 lbs but it what it is. Man one you build being you are doing a 3rd why not 5 in total i run my stuff with out a center/middle but thats me
Awesome. How to get details or build for x-over tho. I know it's unrealistic to make flat packs for everyone. But how about a kit for the x-over components for order?
Small tip for ya, save some of your sanding dust in a zip lock bag, for when you have cracks or your seems don't match up perfectly. Then when you need the sanding dust for the seems, sprinkle some into some wood glue, mix it together and use a puddy knife to push it into the seems. Let it dry, then lightly sand it again. You'll sand your sand paper doing it this way versus sanding while glue is wet.
These are incredible! I may actually build a pair of these! Do you have build plans for center and surround speakers to pair with these or do you plan to make some? Also what about upfiring atmos speakers?
Awesome build! I plan to build these when I upgrade my home theater setup. What speakers would you suggest to pair with these for side and rear surrounds?
Ooooh nice. I might have a look at this for my home cinema. I was going for Tangen av design miles in consert but now im not so sure. My subs is sb acustiks already so...
📄Build Plans: bit.ly/audience212
Are these good just for 2 channel listening? Or specifically for home theater?
@@TexasCorgiGun they are designed with home theater in mind. I would still use a subwoofer with these
@@Toid Thank you for your response.
Do these use a passive crossover or are you running active?
@@russellgilmer1897 passive
All hail Toid, hero of the DIY working man. Somebody get this man a beer!
Thanks Shawn! I might need a Mt. Dew right now. I'm working on very little sleep 😂🤣😂
@@Toid You get that sleep Nick! You deserve it!
This is amazing. Your making endgame speakers for people that only wish they could have real Jtr’s. Every time I see these in a theater I’m like omg these must sound insane but at that price they better. Your changing the game in an awesome way. Im definitely going to build these one day.
I mean, they will look similar.....
@@crazycuz100 I bet they would sound better. I am sure his custom crossover is going to be better than a production JBL design. and You know the cabinet is going to be build stronger with better bracing.
finally a diy that is a big speaker. almost every diy video on youtube is small bookshelf
Thank you!! I was here to say the same thing! MAKE SPEAKERS GREAT AGAIN! Lol
When I finished my floorstanding speakers, I felt the same lol I didn't realize how "big" they were until I stood them up. And after all the gluing and bracing with 3/4" MDF, they were heavy as hell. But they sound amazing and I loved the project.
Sh*t man. Only built two. Let me build a third. That's the spirit!! You are a legend Toid
LOVE HOW you had your hand in the way when you were drilling the screws on the woofers
First time I’m seeing this channel… Instant subscribe… pure gold!
Fantastic video. Excellent workmanship. Unreal speakers. You da man.
Killer build Nick! The EQ’d response looks very good.
Spraying armorall onto that matress pad, will prevent them from dry rotting. You should also always use pure clear silicone divers grease on all the rubber surrounds.
tip , to fix the issue you have on min 6:42 , remember that MDF is basically sawdust and glue compressed, so you could've add sawdust to that glue too to fill any hole or imperfection in MDF, the only thing with that is that you would've to wait a little bit longer to allow it dry cure.
Sweet!
That is the dopest Piggly Wiggly hat I've ever seen. Your speaker build is also nice.
Dude insane! I love it. I’m looking to build my new theater and need 3 built as well. I’d even pay to have these built, great job!
You can do it!
You seriously impress me with every video you put out. I'm gonna build all my speakers in my next house and really go all out
I might just buy a table saw and router once I finish my other projects. Awesome speakers my friend
Great build.
I am a big fan of having the same, L/C/R speakers at least for the main 3 front channels so I would be building these with the SB Audience Rosso-65CD-T-8 and H280 horn instead so that I can cross them over at 600-700Hz which will make them suitable for horizontal use as well.
Yes, I know, the manufacturer suggests a minimum crossover frequency at 1K but that's for PA use. For home hifi you can probably cross them as low as 500Hz with a 4th order crossover. They will never use more than a few watts of power.
Just in case anybody is thinking of using mattress pads or packing foam for acoustical treatment in a room DON'T. Look up the station fire for why not. It is fine inside a sealed enclosure, and probably fine in a ported enclosure. (I do worry that a ported enclosure could become a chimney once the cone burns through. Just don't put it on walls or ceilings.
Mineral wool is better inside anyway and not that expensive.
I'm not a DIY guy but I have watched a number of your videos; they're very good and very intriguing
Thank you Marcus
Awesome stuff bro 😍😍 Thoroughly enjoying your content… Keep it up👍🏻👍🏻
I just totally wished you had a reference speaker like the Klipsch R-800F where you can compare your DIY speakers to and explain the strengths/weaknesses to said reference. It's very hard for the viewer to know whether it's worthwhile to build it and perhaps be disappointed when it's finished.
i think in diy we tend to hear what actulay the sound is brand always adds some ups and downs in their speakers to call them their signatures when comparing each and every speaker there will be difference and that will certaily base on one's way if approch
Those would smoke the Klipsch
@@BostonMike68 Yeah, but it's not about smoking it. It's about telling potential builders how much better/worse it is compared to a popular and easily auditioned speaker like the Klipsch or other reference speaker if Toids chose to.
It's not even in the same ballpark. He's using 2 12" high efficiency professional drivers those are what people use for concerts and big events. They are 98 SPL per watt or something crazy. You can't even compare them they have a aluminum basket with a 3 " inch voice coil. Klipsch steel stamped basket aluminum cone 1.5 voice coil like he said if you had to buy something like that he modeled after it would cost $14000 you can't compare a big box store speaker with something like that it will put perform it in every way. I built a lot of speakers and I want to build them I was just on Madison sound website and saw the specs of the compression drivers and woofers the only thing you can compare it to is what he modeled it after
@@BostonMike68 Did you not understand what is meant by a reference speaker? ... It's a way to compare it so that someone who wishes to build it will know what they are getting. Toids just says... It sounds good, it sounds great... What the heck does that mean? ... Say something like it has extended response to 25khz at -3db. It has better linearity across the midrange compared to the Klipsch. It has sharper imaging, 10db more dynamic headroom than the klipsch... Etc. Just saying it sounds great doesn't help people who are going to spend hundreds of dollars on drivers etc. I'm not arguing what is better or worse... I just want more comparative info and yes... A 1k diy speaker can easily out class a 3k retail speaker and that is what Toids should be saying.
I’ve been dreaming about jtr speakers ever since I learned about them. Save money and diy. Love it. Using these as LCR, which of your other builds would you pair with these for rear surrounds?
jhs arent picky of dacs, but i suggest the most neutral since they are good as it is
Now that’s an exciting design! The first thing you said was you needed a 3rd for your LCR. Could you do a horizontal plan? Maybe have it rear ported and the arrangement veneered for a nice clean centre speaker look?
Horizontal mtm designs are inherently flawed. And it's going to be behind the screen hidden from view anyways
I like stereo, but speakers are good for that too...win win. Your work is awesome!
Thank you! Much appreciated
I seriously might build these, I almost bought the JTR 212 HTR but when I saw them they were $2999 a piece then they bumped up the price to $3299 and now $3499. At 3 grand they were expensive but obtainable but now just way out of reach. Beautiful build btw and can't wait to see the 3 in your home theater.
If you have 6K for a pair of speakers, you have 7k for a pair of speakers.........
Heck yessss been hoping for this
Maybe the center could be like the 212HTR??
Honestly, use the cnc every opportunity. I’m def going to use it.
Please do more big towers like this!! This is awesome
I'm glad to hear that you like it! Maybe we should do a 218? 2 28's! 😲
I'm really excited to see who ends up building these
@@Toid have you tried any of the old horns in this? I’d love to see those responses!
This channel is like ASMR lol
@@Toid 215 would be perfect!
I like the way you think.
@12:07, drilled like a man who has put a hole through a cone or two. (I use the same hand-block method for the same reason 😂😂)
Lol. I may have a time or two....or three....😂🤣
Come on, Toid. Matching high-end surround/atmos speakers next please! Thanks for all that you do
I'm 2 years late...question....how do you design crossovers?
Building now! Can’t wait to hear them
Need more sites retailing flat pack options for those of us without some of the tools that might only ever be used on 1 or 2 projects.
I have found a local cnc shop, there prices are not bad, might add 150$ to the over all cost
good walk thru / talk thru. thx.
I really want to build some speakers. I've ordered parts months ago but didnt have time due to uni. Now i really have to do it though.
This is so dope! JTR also has a 215, but I wonder if a 218 inspired design like this is possible. 😲
I'm thinking the same thing. That would definitely need a compression coaxial. But that would be epic!
Biggest issue with bigger drivers is the larger the driver the lower the beaming point is. That's why you'll see higher midrange to tweeter crossovers on smaller drivers. An 18" driver would start to beam at around 700hz.
@@TylerStout you would end up having to use a compression coaxial for a speaker like that. They can typically cross over as low as 300-500hz.
I would also isolate the woofers from the horn chamber
I made some speakers with an open 10" coaxial driver monted on top of a speaker box and a 10" woofer in the box. It's dipole and point source (above 300 hz) and the woofer fires down onto the floor. Sounds come from nowhere, and imaging is off the scale! 🎉
Are triad gold monitors next? That would be sweet. I'm interested in these as well, I just might give these a shot, I've been looking for a diy speaker project for behind my screen, but I'm wanting something without a horn waveguide. I'll be checking your channel frequently. Good stuff man.
Literally hit the sub when he said the bad thing was he needed a centre speaker .. what a dude !!!! Bro can u make monitors for sound studio ????
I would like to have seen more about the crossover, design, parts, testing, etc.
I'll bet these image very very good. nice job !
as a old school car audio guy myself, I do this same way of building sub boxes myself and been doing car audio for 35 years now...yes I have build some home audio in that time too..
How does the overall sensitivity compare to the JTR's? Are you going to do a video where you're taking measurements in the room?
Considering the woofers are 98dB, it’s a very sensitive speaker.
High 90's, most likely.
Exact sensitivity isn't that important... relevant point, it's high, it's up there.
Dual LF drivers, presenting 4ohm load, compression HF, loaded into a horn... high 90's, likely triple digits.
The higher voltage sensitivity is the big attribute of this piece.
Truly dig this build, it's raw, it likely could've benefited from matrix bracing... but pursuing down the path of high sens is a worthy pursuit.
Refinement will come.
My take, I'd go active, dsp contoured, diy multi-way chip amps. Inexpensive, high performance specs.
This path of pursuit with a measuring rig, will elicit significant growth and grasp of big picture... (the room's acoustic transfer function)
Ultimately turning to the physics of acoustics... and simple room optimization (where some huge gains are encountered).
I would like to see this too. Are the final measurements posted anywhere? I went to the plan page and did not see them anywhere
Awesome build as always Nick! I've been waiting for this! Not going to be building them any time soon, amazing either way!
THank Elliot. If you ever find yourself in the neighborhood...You can always audition them :)
@@Toid I might need to stop by and audition them. Seriously.
Just wanted to add-I've had great success using steel threaded rod for bracing. Easier for possibly better result. Interesting Monster build Toids.
Very nice. I would love to hear something like that. I have just never been a fan of compression drivers. I'm a silk dome. Then again, maybe I haven't heard them setup right.
After all I do like my titanium dome tweeters in my Paradigm monitor 11s.
Just found out about your TH-cam video. Love it keep doing your stuff
Love the channel. I am in the process of building a home and my theater also. I purchased your plans, and I will be building these for my LCR. What would you recommend building for the surround sides and rears? As well as dolby Atmos?
Have you done any evaluation of different foam for the inside of the cabinet. The reason I ask is that I have small amount of experience of quieting down a loud machine by placing egg crate foam on the wall behind the machine. Egg crate foam used for packing material had almost no effect but when we purchased egg crate foam that was sold for its acoustic properties it had a very significant effect on the noise level reflected from the wall. There was no discernable difference in the feel or weight of the two materials.
Excellently done, again!!
Love the Piggly Wiggly hat!
They look to be very light. I have a pair of floor standing Dali's and I certainly couldn't move them around the way you are.
Nice! Great and well done
these were cool to look at :)
Duuuude! Really really good work! How many hours do you spend on building them? I could never do it
joseph crowe did some measurements on this woofer. the impedance profile is almost like a tweeter. very low inductance which translate to very snappy bass and clean midrange.
Those speakers are sick... great build and video man!
hello , do you think a isobaric configuration could help to getting more down range ?
Now that it's a year later ,would you use the same speakers or would you use a different set?
Nice man! I wish I had the tools and time to do this. I bet they sound awesome. I'd love to hear some classical/orchestral music that has a lot of dynamic range on these.
You sound amazing. At $650 each speaker, they come in at quite a bargain. I can't think of any speakers I'd rather have it this price point
Another great video Toids!!!!
I want to build these, but I'm nervous about the crossover. I've done plenty of speaker box's. I have no idea how to build a crossover.
No worries. If you need help along the way, just let me know I'd be happy to walk you through it
Is it possible to just buy the crossover pre-built somewhere? Or is it worth the effort and probably cost savings to build one?
@@snakedude61It's worth to try. Its honestly very easy to build them even as a beginner
great job, inside support frame is good
Looks great! Could potentially put dado’s in for the braces right?
Absolutely
Those are awesome 👌. I wish you would let me finish the exterior. They really deserve a top notch finish. Not saying it's bad, but I just don't like the roller finish.
Hey man!! Thanks for this video. I planning to build my home music studio to mix and sometime master my work. High end speakers are ridiculously pricy. How would you compare your speakers to a studio monitors Or if you can, please build one for music studio. thank you and blessings!!
yes build it right with out the crazy cost nice drivers man ! .i get a kick out of silly numbers like 14k speaker or 80k trucks .yea ok lol .got the 12 driver from Eminence 4 inch coil normal magnets. heavy around 20 lbs but it what it is. Man one you build being you are doing a 3rd why not 5 in total i run my stuff with out a center/middle but thats me
Awesome. How to get details or build for x-over tho. I know it's unrealistic to make flat packs for everyone. But how about a kit for the x-over components for order?
I am working on getting the plans out as we speak. A kit is always an option that we can look into.
Nice build Toid.
how do you model such a large port? I haven't been able to use box calculators to model a large slot port, only tube type ports.
Lovely build 😀😀😀❤️❤️ awesome job as always !!!!!
Do you have plans for two 15 inch woofers ????
Small tip for ya, save some of your sanding dust in a zip lock bag, for when you have cracks or your seems don't match up perfectly. Then when you need the sanding dust for the seems, sprinkle some into some wood glue, mix it together and use a puddy knife to push it into the seems. Let it dry, then lightly sand it again. You'll sand your sand paper doing it this way versus sanding while glue is wet.
Awesome video.
Great vid. Great job. Would you be willing to build Krix MX40 Wall of Sound front stage?
How would this work as a horizontal center? Would rotating the wave guide work?
Yes, the Horn is 90/90 degres, no difference betwen horizontal and vertical
Did you ever build a 3rd one?
These are incredible! I may actually build a pair of these! Do you have build plans for center and surround speakers to pair with these or do you plan to make some? Also what about upfiring atmos speakers?
Wow they sound amazing!!! 😄
12:59, please turn the horn on the right one to match the left one, my OCD is going nuts right now!
Need vid of them playing please. Good vid though.
Have you measured the response of these and compared them to the JTR’s?
Awesome build. Curious what cnc you have and if you have thought about doing 215 or 218 build as a 3 way
You should do a build of the JTR RS1 or rs2
Would this work horizontally as a center
Awesome build! I plan to build these when I upgrade my home theater setup. What speakers would you suggest to pair with these for side and rear surrounds?
I use these with the Cinema 10’s I designed
@@Toid thanks for the quick reply! I have been eyeballing those as well. That's probably what I will do then. Thanks!
Ooooh nice. I might have a look at this for my home cinema. I was going for Tangen av design miles in consert but now im not so sure. My subs is sb acustiks already so...
how intricate is the build and about how long does it take per speaker?
So did you build the center channel?
Impressive! Do any PSA builds?
How much did the crossover parts cost for this?
Could it be worth it to go active for a setup like this?
add in some 6.5" mids in the center and watch these really come to life
Nice build..
Is there anything in DIY that looks and rivals the Arendal 1723 monitors for LCR?
i find 3rd order to sound better anyways, just takes more work to balance, especially a 3 way
Love your channel, Any thoughts on a diy klipsch klf 20?
Very nice detailed build
can u find someoen with a pair of JTRs and do a blind A/B test?