How to Build $14,000 speakers for $1,300! JTR 212 Inspired - The Audience 212
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มี.ค. 2022
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I love Home Theater! And one name known for that in Home Theater is JTR. They have been making Home Theater speakers for years. One they are arguably most known for is the JTR 212. These are quickly becoming a favorite among Home Theater Enthusiasts. But they came with a nice price tag as well...around $7000...EACH. That's an MSRP of $14,000 a pair! Today I plan to make some speakers inspired by the JTR 212 for around $1,300 a pair or $650 EACH, using high end drivers by SB Audience
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Are these good just for 2 channel listening? Or specifically for home theater?
@@TexasCorgiGun they are designed with home theater in mind. I would still use a subwoofer with these
@@Toid Thank you for your response.
Do these use a passive crossover or are you running active?
@@russellgilmer1897 passive
All hail Toid, hero of the DIY working man. Somebody get this man a beer!
Thanks Shawn! I might need a Mt. Dew right now. I'm working on very little sleep 😂🤣😂
@@Toid You get that sleep Nick! You deserve it!
This is amazing. Your making endgame speakers for people that only wish they could have real Jtr’s. Every time I see these in a theater I’m like omg these must sound insane but at that price they better. Your changing the game in an awesome way. Im definitely going to build these one day.
Ahahahahhaha
I mean, they will look similar.....
@@lok777 that's about it lol
@@crazycuz100 I bet they would sound better. I am sure his custom crossover is going to be better than a production JBL design. and You know the cabinet is going to be build stronger with better bracing.
When I finished my floorstanding speakers, I felt the same lol I didn't realize how "big" they were until I stood them up. And after all the gluing and bracing with 3/4" MDF, they were heavy as hell. But they sound amazing and I loved the project.
Killer build Nick! The EQ’d response looks very good.
finally a diy that is a big speaker. almost every diy video on youtube is small bookshelf
Awesome stuff bro 😍😍 Thoroughly enjoying your content… Keep it up👍🏻👍🏻
Sh*t man. Only built two. Let me build a third. That's the spirit!! You are a legend Toid
Building now! Can’t wait to hear them
Lovely build 😀😀😀❤️❤️ awesome job as always !!!!!
First time I’m seeing this channel… Instant subscribe… pure gold!
Fantastic video. Excellent workmanship. Unreal speakers. You da man.
LOVE HOW you had your hand in the way when you were drilling the screws on the woofers
Those speakers are sick... great build and video man!
Heck yessss been hoping for this
Awesome build as always Nick! I've been waiting for this! Not going to be building them any time soon, amazing either way!
THank Elliot. If you ever find yourself in the neighborhood...You can always audition them :)
@@Toid I might need to stop by and audition them. Seriously.
as a old school car audio guy myself, I do this same way of building sub boxes myself and been doing car audio for 35 years now...yes I have build some home audio in that time too..
Wow they sound amazing!!! 😄
Excellently done, again!!
You seriously impress me with every video you put out. I'm gonna build all my speakers in my next house and really go all out
Another great video Toids!!!!
I'm not a DIY guy but I have watched a number of your videos; they're very good and very intriguing
Thank you Marcus
Very nice build! Good job!
Nice! Great and well done
these were cool to look at :)
tip , to fix the issue you have on min 6:42 , remember that MDF is basically sawdust and glue compressed, so you could've add sawdust to that glue too to fill any hole or imperfection in MDF, the only thing with that is that you would've to wait a little bit longer to allow it dry cure.
Very nice detailed build
I might just buy a table saw and router once I finish my other projects. Awesome speakers my friend
I'll bet these image very very good. nice job !
These are incredible! I may actually build a pair of these! Do you have build plans for center and surround speakers to pair with these or do you plan to make some? Also what about upfiring atmos speakers?
Are triad gold monitors next? That would be sweet. I'm interested in these as well, I just might give these a shot, I've been looking for a diy speaker project for behind my screen, but I'm wanting something without a horn waveguide. I'll be checking your channel frequently. Good stuff man.
great job, inside support frame is good
Dude insane! I love it. I’m looking to build my new theater and need 3 built as well. I’d even pay to have these built, great job!
You can do it!
Great build.
I am a big fan of having the same, L/C/R speakers at least for the main 3 front channels so I would be building these with the SB Audience Rosso-65CD-T-8 and H280 horn instead so that I can cross them over at 600-700Hz which will make them suitable for horizontal use as well.
Yes, I know, the manufacturer suggests a minimum crossover frequency at 1K but that's for PA use. For home hifi you can probably cross them as low as 500Hz with a 4th order crossover. They will never use more than a few watts of power.
I seriously might build these, I almost bought the JTR 212 HTR but when I saw them they were $2999 a piece then they bumped up the price to $3299 and now $3499. At 3 grand they were expensive but obtainable but now just way out of reach. Beautiful build btw and can't wait to see the 3 in your home theater.
If you have 6K for a pair of speakers, you have 7k for a pair of speakers.........
Looks much better in the theater than the living room 😄🤣😁
Come on, Toid. Matching high-end surround/atmos speakers next please! Thanks for all that you do
Can't wait to see what you'll do after the center and focus on the surrounds / atmos speakers ;) I have a set of paradigm studio 60 v3's and a paradigm cc 570 v3 I picked up for a steal ($125 at a pawn shop lol) and am always tempted ever since I did my custom sub, to build bigger and "better" HT speakers. So, I have been laying in wait trying to plan and slowly build up to a final layout of the HT and equipment before I finish off the basement and have it all set in stone. In the mean time I enjoy the hell out of it all but I always have that nagging urge to DIY
I like stereo, but speakers are good for that too...win win. Your work is awesome!
Thank you! Much appreciated
Awesome video.
Hi great creations indeed Congratulations They also look like the old JBL SVA series that i love
Speaking of cabinet bracing i have thought a little about cabinet panels vibration.
A very telling test of how much the cabinet design and construction can impact the sound i had once in a shop. They were showing two PA speakers from the same brand, same drivers and same amps inside
One had a wood cabinet the other a plastiC cabinet to be used outdoor. The bass of the plastic cabinet was a disaster ... weak and confused. The bass from the speaker with a wooden cabinet was amazing for power, control and clarity.
I think that the only really critical side by far is the FRONT BAFFLE
I have seen some graphs in the Stereophile reviews of loudspeakers of the vibrations measured with accelerometers fixed to the various cabinet panels Strangely enough they measure side and back panels but not the most important one ... the front baffle.
The front baffle vibration levels i am sure are orders of magnitude above the vibration levels of all other panels.
I am sure that the level of side and back panels vibrations is so low that when they reach the listener reflected by the listening room walls they will have no impact at all.
The secret is all in the design and construction of the front baffle that must stay completely still even during the room shaking bass passages.
I read a very telling explanation. They were comparing the front baffle to a newspaper kept in the front of a reader. If the paper moves back and forth the reading results very difficult because the eyes has to focus a moving object.
Of course the more extended the front baffle and thinner is the more the vibrations will be.
For this reason i would try to separate mechanically (i.e. put in a separate box) the lower woofer from the other mid and high drivers.
When the range from let's say 100-150Hz down is done right to reproduce the rest of the audio range is much less critical. Going up with frequency the energetic content of vibrations will be much lower in level and so much easier to suppress.
The woofer is a like a beast ... it needs a proper cage to keep it under control.
Put it in the same box/cabinet of mid and high drivers and the problems begin. Kind regards, gino
Now that’s an exciting design! The first thing you said was you needed a 3rd for your LCR. Could you do a horizontal plan? Maybe have it rear ported and the arrangement veneered for a nice clean centre speaker look?
Horizontal mtm designs are inherently flawed. And it's going to be behind the screen hidden from view anyways
Just found out about your TH-cam video. Love it keep doing your stuff
That is the dopest Piggly Wiggly hat I've ever seen. Your speaker build is also nice.
Very cool, they look great and I bet they sound even better. You think there are any pre built boxes out there that would be similar in size and design? For the guys that don’t have the time or patience to build a box.
Now we need matching surrounds!!
Sweet!
I’ve been dreaming about jtr speakers ever since I learned about them. Save money and diy. Love it. Using these as LCR, which of your other builds would you pair with these for rear surrounds?
jhs arent picky of dacs, but i suggest the most neutral since they are good as it is
Super impressed! I might give this a shot. Did you end up building the center speaker? What are your thoughts on mounting this speaker horizontally for the center? As I don't have a transparent screen. What other build would pair well as a center with these speakers?
Spraying armorall onto that matress pad, will prevent them from dry rotting. You should also always use pure clear silicone divers grease on all the rubber surrounds.
I really want to build some speakers. I've ordered parts months ago but didnt have time due to uni. Now i really have to do it though.
Literally hit the sub when he said the bad thing was he needed a centre speaker .. what a dude !!!! Bro can u make monitors for sound studio ????
Nice man! I wish I had the tools and time to do this. I bet they sound awesome. I'd love to hear some classical/orchestral music that has a lot of dynamic range on these.
You sound amazing. At $650 each speaker, they come in at quite a bargain. I can't think of any speakers I'd rather have it this price point
Awesome build video! Do you have the build plans for JTR NOESIS 212HTR? I'm looking to build LCR for my home theater and wanted these speakers to be off the floor at about ear level. Thank you!
Ooooh Not bad man... i wish i could do that too. normally iam not fan of DIY Speakers but that looks good.
Hey man!! Thanks for this video. I planning to build my home music studio to mix and sometime master my work. High end speakers are ridiculously pricy. How would you compare your speakers to a studio monitors Or if you can, please build one for music studio. thank you and blessings!!
Duuuude! Really really good work! How many hours do you spend on building them? I could never do it
Amazing video.
Small tip for ya, save some of your sanding dust in a zip lock bag, for when you have cracks or your seems don't match up perfectly. Then when you need the sanding dust for the seems, sprinkle some into some wood glue, mix it together and use a puddy knife to push it into the seems. Let it dry, then lightly sand it again. You'll sand your sand paper doing it this way versus sanding while glue is wet.
Very nice. I would love to hear something like that. I have just never been a fan of compression drivers. I'm a silk dome. Then again, maybe I haven't heard them setup right.
After all I do like my titanium dome tweeters in my Paradigm monitor 11s.
Paradigm drivers/units are made by Audax,France.So does Revel,JBL f.y.i
Fyi SB is top,hifi-range ànd P.A.
S of SB stands for Sinar,Indonesia.
SB-domestic hifi use is founded by former Scanspeak designers.
Same with Wavecor.
Im in that biss.
Grtz,high-end manufacturer.
They look to be very light. I have a pair of floor standing Dali's and I certainly couldn't move them around the way you are.
Just found your channel, it's great.
Try using some general purpose bondo, not automotive. Stuff is awesome, very sandable, somewhat drillable and definitely causes cancer.
Its great for overhangs and gaps. Especially when painting.
Nice build Toid.
Nice build..
Is there anything in DIY that looks and rivals the Arendal 1723 monitors for LCR?
Just in case anybody is thinking of using mattress pads or packing foam for acoustical treatment in a room DON'T. Look up the station fire for why not. It is fine inside a sealed enclosure, and probably fine in a ported enclosure. (I do worry that a ported enclosure could become a chimney once the cone burns through. Just don't put it on walls or ceilings.
Mineral wool is better inside anyway and not that expensive.
They did NOT use matress pads at the Station, those were special bought acoustic panels (the owner did not bother with fire codes at all, so he never even checked for fire rating)....just fyi, matresss pads are fire retardent BY LAW (these laws were enacted in the 60's and 70's when idiots smoked in bed)
Damn. Beautiful.
Need more sites retailing flat pack options for those of us without some of the tools that might only ever be used on 1 or 2 projects.
I have found a local cnc shop, there prices are not bad, might add 150$ to the over all cost
Reminiscent of the famous Klipsch Epic CF-4! Given the great tools you have, I think it's time to consider compression midbass folded horns such as Klipsch La Scala. They are magical!---even with modest drivers. And they perform well up to 700hz, so don't really require a gigantic mid horn.
Youthman had the La Scala’s and traded them up for JTR lol
joseph crowe did some measurements on this woofer. the impedance profile is almost like a tweeter. very low inductance which translate to very snappy bass and clean midrange.
Great vid. Great job. Would you be willing to build Krix MX40 Wall of Sound front stage?
Awesome build. Curious what cnc you have and if you have thought about doing 215 or 218 build as a 3 way
How much did the crossover parts cost for this?
Could it be worth it to go active for a setup like this?
Is this purely for Home Theater ? Would you also build them for Audiophile Listening?
Always making it look easy. Probably sound better than the $14,000 speakers anyway. They come off an assembly line. Your speakers are way more desirable.
Nice build, makes me want to build a set using the Dayton woofers I have (8x 10") going MM T MM. I have been trying to decide between something like this or a "mini" Jericho. The Jericho setup would be better in a large environment or outdoors, but given the sheer cone area and motor force available with a "mini" it might be scary in a house.. lol :)
Like a synergy horn thing?
@@TimpBizkit Synergy is the small version of the Jericho, but yes
Those are awesome 👌. I wish you would let me finish the exterior. They really deserve a top notch finish. Not saying it's bad, but I just don't like the roller finish.
add in some 6.5" mids in the center and watch these really come to life
This is so dope! JTR also has a 215, but I wonder if a 218 inspired design like this is possible. 😲
I'm thinking the same thing. That would definitely need a compression coaxial. But that would be epic!
Biggest issue with bigger drivers is the larger the driver the lower the beaming point is. That's why you'll see higher midrange to tweeter crossovers on smaller drivers. An 18" driver would start to beam at around 700hz.
@@TylerStout you would end up having to use a compression coaxial for a speaker like that. They can typically cross over as low as 300-500hz.
They looks awesome Are they good for 2 channel listening?
I also use egg crate foam pads. But I prefer 3M 90. Unlike 3M 77, it isn't a mist that drifts everywhere.
I'll have to try that out sometime. I've never tried 3M 90.
Epic!
Please do more big towers like this!! This is awesome
I'm glad to hear that you like it! Maybe we should do a 218? 2 28's! 😲
I'm really excited to see who ends up building these
@@Toid have you tried any of the old horns in this? I’d love to see those responses!
This channel is like ASMR lol
@@Toid 215 would be perfect!
Just wanted to add-I've had great success using steel threaded rod for bracing. Easier for possibly better result. Interesting Monster build Toids.
Honestly, use the cnc every opportunity. I’m def going to use it.
Awesome. How to get details or build for x-over tho. I know it's unrealistic to make flat packs for everyone. But how about a kit for the x-over components for order?
I am working on getting the plans out as we speak. A kit is always an option that we can look into.
Love the Piggly Wiggly hat!
Nice towers, I noticed you holding your hand to avoid the dreaded screw bit through the surround, I'm always nervous. I've told people I would easily rather drive a bit in my hand over the driver my hand will heal... Inserts are nice but they can be problematic installing. I've seen quite a few people have problems with hurricane nuts coming loose and spinning but all you need to do is few dabs of a good glue on them during installation... seems to be an easily resolvable issue.soundman Doug benards uses hurricane nuts in reverse when he installs bolt style terminals on an enclosure so there's a nice clean flat steel contact for speaker wire ring terminals vs a big nut and washer on outside plus the stick out is probably at least 3/8" less.
Here's the question I have.. These or DIYSG Elusive 1099's? I will build either one but am undecided between 12 and 10 inch drivers and midrange on the 1099's.
great build. what amp u use for this 212 audience?
Now that it's a year later ,would you use the same speakers or would you use a different set?
Nice.
Love your channel, Any thoughts on a diy klipsch klf 20?
Awesome build! I plan to build these when I upgrade my home theater setup. What speakers would you suggest to pair with these for side and rear surrounds?
I use these with the Cinema 10’s I designed
@@Toid thanks for the quick reply! I have been eyeballing those as well. That's probably what I will do then. Thanks!
Hello , I'm enjoying watching all of your builds. However I'm missing something from you, All of the sound tests. How do we know how good they might be for us if we can't hear them.
i find 3rd order to sound better anyways, just takes more work to balance, especially a 3 way
Good stuff as always! Man I need a cnc haha!
They definitely are nice to have. You could always check out something like a bulkman workbee for cheap. I am not saying they are great, but they can get you started in CNC for pretty cheap.
@@Toid Interesting, thanks for the recommendation. One of these days...
Have you done any evaluation of different foam for the inside of the cabinet. The reason I ask is that I have small amount of experience of quieting down a loud machine by placing egg crate foam on the wall behind the machine. Egg crate foam used for packing material had almost no effect but when we purchased egg crate foam that was sold for its acoustic properties it had a very significant effect on the noise level reflected from the wall. There was no discernable difference in the feel or weight of the two materials.
how do you model such a large port? I haven't been able to use box calculators to model a large slot port, only tube type ports.
We need a follow-up on these great build. And demo!
how intricate is the build and about how long does it take per speaker?
Hey! I love your videos and projects.
I have to ask why you don't cut groves for your panel placements?
I can understand if you're using a router, but if you're using a CNC?
Thx
I do on most of my builds. This one was a little too tall to fit completely on the CNC. But if you only take a look at some of the more complex bracing than I do, take a look at my earthquake 21 video. I built two 21 inch subwoofers that has some really impressive bracing and the grooves you looking for in this build