This is amazing. Your making endgame speakers for people that only wish they could have real Jtr’s. Every time I see these in a theater I’m like omg these must sound insane but at that price they better. Your changing the game in an awesome way. Im definitely going to build these one day.
@@crazycuz100 I bet they would sound better. I am sure his custom crossover is going to be better than a production JBL design. and You know the cabinet is going to be build stronger with better bracing.
When I finished my floorstanding speakers, I felt the same lol I didn't realize how "big" they were until I stood them up. And after all the gluing and bracing with 3/4" MDF, they were heavy as hell. But they sound amazing and I loved the project.
tip , to fix the issue you have on min 6:42 , remember that MDF is basically sawdust and glue compressed, so you could've add sawdust to that glue too to fill any hole or imperfection in MDF, the only thing with that is that you would've to wait a little bit longer to allow it dry cure.
Great build. I am a big fan of having the same, L/C/R speakers at least for the main 3 front channels so I would be building these with the SB Audience Rosso-65CD-T-8 and H280 horn instead so that I can cross them over at 600-700Hz which will make them suitable for horizontal use as well. Yes, I know, the manufacturer suggests a minimum crossover frequency at 1K but that's for PA use. For home hifi you can probably cross them as low as 500Hz with a 4th order crossover. They will never use more than a few watts of power.
Spraying armorall onto that matress pad, will prevent them from dry rotting. You should also always use pure clear silicone divers grease on all the rubber surrounds.
Just in case anybody is thinking of using mattress pads or packing foam for acoustical treatment in a room DON'T. Look up the station fire for why not. It is fine inside a sealed enclosure, and probably fine in a ported enclosure. (I do worry that a ported enclosure could become a chimney once the cone burns through. Just don't put it on walls or ceilings.
I seriously might build these, I almost bought the JTR 212 HTR but when I saw them they were $2999 a piece then they bumped up the price to $3299 and now $3499. At 3 grand they were expensive but obtainable but now just way out of reach. Beautiful build btw and can't wait to see the 3 in your home theater.
as a old school car audio guy myself, I do this same way of building sub boxes myself and been doing car audio for 35 years now...yes I have build some home audio in that time too..
Now that’s an exciting design! The first thing you said was you needed a 3rd for your LCR. Could you do a horizontal plan? Maybe have it rear ported and the arrangement veneered for a nice clean centre speaker look?
Biggest issue with bigger drivers is the larger the driver the lower the beaming point is. That's why you'll see higher midrange to tweeter crossovers on smaller drivers. An 18" driver would start to beam at around 700hz.
Small tip for ya, save some of your sanding dust in a zip lock bag, for when you have cracks or your seems don't match up perfectly. Then when you need the sanding dust for the seems, sprinkle some into some wood glue, mix it together and use a puddy knife to push it into the seems. Let it dry, then lightly sand it again. You'll sand your sand paper doing it this way versus sanding while glue is wet.
I’ve been dreaming about jtr speakers ever since I learned about them. Save money and diy. Love it. Using these as LCR, which of your other builds would you pair with these for rear surrounds?
Those are awesome 👌. I wish you would let me finish the exterior. They really deserve a top notch finish. Not saying it's bad, but I just don't like the roller finish.
Always making it look easy. Probably sound better than the $14,000 speakers anyway. They come off an assembly line. Your speakers are way more desirable.
Nice man! I wish I had the tools and time to do this. I bet they sound awesome. I'd love to hear some classical/orchestral music that has a lot of dynamic range on these.
Build complete and I must say, they sound great. I’d recommend to anyone. The cost is a bit higher thanks to inflation these days but it was worth it in my opinion!
@@Toid I want to build a big center channel and two rear floor speakers but my laptop is not working properly to build a crossover and such. Is it possible you could lend a hand?
Are triad gold monitors next? That would be sweet. I'm interested in these as well, I just might give these a shot, I've been looking for a diy speaker project for behind my screen, but I'm wanting something without a horn waveguide. I'll be checking your channel frequently. Good stuff man.
Very nice. I would love to hear something like that. I have just never been a fan of compression drivers. I'm a silk dome. Then again, maybe I haven't heard them setup right. After all I do like my titanium dome tweeters in my Paradigm monitor 11s.
I just totally wished you had a reference speaker like the Klipsch R-800F where you can compare your DIY speakers to and explain the strengths/weaknesses to said reference. It's very hard for the viewer to know whether it's worthwhile to build it and perhaps be disappointed when it's finished.
i think in diy we tend to hear what actulay the sound is brand always adds some ups and downs in their speakers to call them their signatures when comparing each and every speaker there will be difference and that will certaily base on one's way if approch
@@BostonMike68 Yeah, but it's not about smoking it. It's about telling potential builders how much better/worse it is compared to a popular and easily auditioned speaker like the Klipsch or other reference speaker if Toids chose to.
It's not even in the same ballpark. He's using 2 12" high efficiency professional drivers those are what people use for concerts and big events. They are 98 SPL per watt or something crazy. You can't even compare them they have a aluminum basket with a 3 " inch voice coil. Klipsch steel stamped basket aluminum cone 1.5 voice coil like he said if you had to buy something like that he modeled after it would cost $14000 you can't compare a big box store speaker with something like that it will put perform it in every way. I built a lot of speakers and I want to build them I was just on Madison sound website and saw the specs of the compression drivers and woofers the only thing you can compare it to is what he modeled it after
@@BostonMike68 Did you not understand what is meant by a reference speaker? ... It's a way to compare it so that someone who wishes to build it will know what they are getting. Toids just says... It sounds good, it sounds great... What the heck does that mean? ... Say something like it has extended response to 25khz at -3db. It has better linearity across the midrange compared to the Klipsch. It has sharper imaging, 10db more dynamic headroom than the klipsch... Etc. Just saying it sounds great doesn't help people who are going to spend hundreds of dollars on drivers etc. I'm not arguing what is better or worse... I just want more comparative info and yes... A 1k diy speaker can easily out class a 3k retail speaker and that is what Toids should be saying.
They definitely are nice to have. You could always check out something like a bulkman workbee for cheap. I am not saying they are great, but they can get you started in CNC for pretty cheap.
joseph crowe did some measurements on this woofer. the impedance profile is almost like a tweeter. very low inductance which translate to very snappy bass and clean midrange.
Reminiscent of the famous Klipsch Epic CF-4! Given the great tools you have, I think it's time to consider compression midbass folded horns such as Klipsch La Scala. They are magical!---even with modest drivers. And they perform well up to 700hz, so don't really require a gigantic mid horn.
Notice how he blocks the screw bit from the speaker surround, typically something only experienced speaker builders do. Usually end up ruining at least one or two speakers before this becomes habit. LOL.
I'm hoping you are going to design up some sides, rear, and Atmos speakers that sonically pair with these in the near future. 😁 I mean not everyone has a room where a 58" tall soaker can be used for all channels.😯😉
NIce video, I am assembling a system bi-amp with crossover - 1 amp for high 100w (rms/channel) + 1 amp 500w (rms/chanel) - electronic crosover + equalizer - I am thinking that works good in this speakers, bi-amp, and I dont need crossover inside the box - but a speaker bi-wired - I will work on this - when I have the results I will show.
Can't wait to see what you'll do after the center and focus on the surrounds / atmos speakers ;) I have a set of paradigm studio 60 v3's and a paradigm cc 570 v3 I picked up for a steal ($125 at a pawn shop lol) and am always tempted ever since I did my custom sub, to build bigger and "better" HT speakers. So, I have been laying in wait trying to plan and slowly build up to a final layout of the HT and equipment before I finish off the basement and have it all set in stone. In the mean time I enjoy the hell out of it all but I always have that nagging urge to DIY
i sadly dont have all that equipment for ''simply building it'' If you have all those machines and stuff allready so the only stuff you need is the material itself.. yeah i would do that right now too :D but i want to get into it a little bit at some point. right now i m just using my elacs and they sound nice, i m happy with them. but a couple years down the road, i m pretty sure i might wanna step it up. At that point tho, i might just go DiY, maybe even some open baffle stuff, dont know. But the amount of value you get out of those diy speakers is just insane compared to what the same money could buy you
One doesn't need that much equipment to build diy speakers, even speakers as large as these. Most hardware stores where you buy the mdf or plywood will cut the wood to size for free or for a very small charge. I've built a few diy subwoofers and bookshelf speakers and the hardware stores make cuts more accurately than what I would be able to do. Once the wood is cut, to make the circles for the baffles and braces you would need just a router and jigsaw.
@@BostonMike68 Can't afford anymore. Working with patients from 8am to 7pm, getting up at 6 and being home 8 to 10pm. And 2 kids that my wife takes care of during the week.
Hi great creations indeed Congratulations They also look like the old JBL SVA series that i love Speaking of cabinet bracing i have thought a little about cabinet panels vibration. A very telling test of how much the cabinet design and construction can impact the sound i had once in a shop. They were showing two PA speakers from the same brand, same drivers and same amps inside One had a wood cabinet the other a plastiC cabinet to be used outdoor. The bass of the plastic cabinet was a disaster ... weak and confused. The bass from the speaker with a wooden cabinet was amazing for power, control and clarity. I think that the only really critical side by far is the FRONT BAFFLE I have seen some graphs in the Stereophile reviews of loudspeakers of the vibrations measured with accelerometers fixed to the various cabinet panels Strangely enough they measure side and back panels but not the most important one ... the front baffle. The front baffle vibration levels i am sure are orders of magnitude above the vibration levels of all other panels. I am sure that the level of side and back panels vibrations is so low that when they reach the listener reflected by the listening room walls they will have no impact at all. The secret is all in the design and construction of the front baffle that must stay completely still even during the room shaking bass passages. I read a very telling explanation. They were comparing the front baffle to a newspaper kept in the front of a reader. If the paper moves back and forth the reading results very difficult because the eyes has to focus a moving object. Of course the more extended the front baffle and thinner is the more the vibrations will be. For this reason i would try to separate mechanically (i.e. put in a separate box) the lower woofer from the other mid and high drivers. When the range from let's say 100-150Hz down is done right to reproduce the rest of the audio range is much less critical. Going up with frequency the energetic content of vibrations will be much lower in level and so much easier to suppress. The woofer is a like a beast ... it needs a proper cage to keep it under control. Put it in the same box/cabinet of mid and high drivers and the problems begin. Kind regards, gino
I really wish there was a way to quantify the 'detail' and 'sound signature' of drivers. You can take 5 different brands of drivers with effectively the same TS parameters and they will all sound a bit different.
I agree. I wish there was an easy way to figure that out. I do have a video coming out that will test four different compression drivers. But that will just give you your frequency response graph and distortion measurements as well as decay. It'll help, but won't be an end all for anyone. Having said that, I really like this is compression driver.
@@Clobercow1 You 'can' measure a lot of it, but I don't think I've ever seen a waterfall graph on a speaker page before. Most days, I just feel lucky to get an accurate frequency response graph and accurate TS parameters.
@@Kcducttaper1 Vance Dickason does some really good driver measurements in voice coil magazine, they seem to be quite reliable. These kind of measurements do exist, but I do agree with wishing they were more common!
@@Clobercow1 waterfall charts (for passive speakers) don’t show anything new, they just show the frequency response (any “trails”/“tails” has to come from a bump in the frequency response).
There's not many compression coaxials available for DIYers. In fact BMS, won't sell them to you. There are a few made by B&C, but not many companies make them in general.
These are incredible! I may actually build a pair of these! Do you have build plans for center and surround speakers to pair with these or do you plan to make some? Also what about upfiring atmos speakers?
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Are these good just for 2 channel listening? Or specifically for home theater?
@@TexasCorgiGun they are designed with home theater in mind. I would still use a subwoofer with these
@@Toid Thank you for your response.
Do these use a passive crossover or are you running active?
@@russellgilmer1897 passive
All hail Toid, hero of the DIY working man. Somebody get this man a beer!
Thanks Shawn! I might need a Mt. Dew right now. I'm working on very little sleep 😂🤣😂
@@Toid You get that sleep Nick! You deserve it!
finally a diy that is a big speaker. almost every diy video on youtube is small bookshelf
Thank you!! I was here to say the same thing! MAKE SPEAKERS GREAT AGAIN! Lol
This is amazing. Your making endgame speakers for people that only wish they could have real Jtr’s. Every time I see these in a theater I’m like omg these must sound insane but at that price they better. Your changing the game in an awesome way. Im definitely going to build these one day.
Ahahahahhaha
I mean, they will look similar.....
@@lok777 that's about it lol
@@crazycuz100 I bet they would sound better. I am sure his custom crossover is going to be better than a production JBL design. and You know the cabinet is going to be build stronger with better bracing.
When I finished my floorstanding speakers, I felt the same lol I didn't realize how "big" they were until I stood them up. And after all the gluing and bracing with 3/4" MDF, they were heavy as hell. But they sound amazing and I loved the project.
Sh*t man. Only built two. Let me build a third. That's the spirit!! You are a legend Toid
LOVE HOW you had your hand in the way when you were drilling the screws on the woofers
You seriously impress me with every video you put out. I'm gonna build all my speakers in my next house and really go all out
I'm not a DIY guy but I have watched a number of your videos; they're very good and very intriguing
Thank you Marcus
Come on, Toid. Matching high-end surround/atmos speakers next please! Thanks for all that you do
I might just buy a table saw and router once I finish my other projects. Awesome speakers my friend
First time I’m seeing this channel… Instant subscribe… pure gold!
tip , to fix the issue you have on min 6:42 , remember that MDF is basically sawdust and glue compressed, so you could've add sawdust to that glue too to fill any hole or imperfection in MDF, the only thing with that is that you would've to wait a little bit longer to allow it dry cure.
Dude insane! I love it. I’m looking to build my new theater and need 3 built as well. I’d even pay to have these built, great job!
You can do it!
Great build.
I am a big fan of having the same, L/C/R speakers at least for the main 3 front channels so I would be building these with the SB Audience Rosso-65CD-T-8 and H280 horn instead so that I can cross them over at 600-700Hz which will make them suitable for horizontal use as well.
Yes, I know, the manufacturer suggests a minimum crossover frequency at 1K but that's for PA use. For home hifi you can probably cross them as low as 500Hz with a 4th order crossover. They will never use more than a few watts of power.
Spraying armorall onto that matress pad, will prevent them from dry rotting. You should also always use pure clear silicone divers grease on all the rubber surrounds.
That is the dopest Piggly Wiggly hat I've ever seen. Your speaker build is also nice.
Fantastic video. Excellent workmanship. Unreal speakers. You da man.
Just in case anybody is thinking of using mattress pads or packing foam for acoustical treatment in a room DON'T. Look up the station fire for why not. It is fine inside a sealed enclosure, and probably fine in a ported enclosure. (I do worry that a ported enclosure could become a chimney once the cone burns through. Just don't put it on walls or ceilings.
Mineral wool is better inside anyway and not that expensive.
I seriously might build these, I almost bought the JTR 212 HTR but when I saw them they were $2999 a piece then they bumped up the price to $3299 and now $3499. At 3 grand they were expensive but obtainable but now just way out of reach. Beautiful build btw and can't wait to see the 3 in your home theater.
If you have 6K for a pair of speakers, you have 7k for a pair of speakers.........
I like stereo, but speakers are good for that too...win win. Your work is awesome!
Thank you! Much appreciated
Awesome stuff bro 😍😍 Thoroughly enjoying your content… Keep it up👍🏻👍🏻
Heck yessss been hoping for this
Please do more big towers like this!! This is awesome
I'm glad to hear that you like it! Maybe we should do a 218? 2 28's! 😲
I'm really excited to see who ends up building these
@@Toid have you tried any of the old horns in this? I’d love to see those responses!
This channel is like ASMR lol
@@Toid 215 would be perfect!
Honestly, use the cnc every opportunity. I’m def going to use it.
Killer build Nick! The EQ’d response looks very good.
as a old school car audio guy myself, I do this same way of building sub boxes myself and been doing car audio for 35 years now...yes I have build some home audio in that time too..
Literally hit the sub when he said the bad thing was he needed a centre speaker .. what a dude !!!! Bro can u make monitors for sound studio ????
Building now! Can’t wait to hear them
Looks much better in the theater than the living room 😄🤣😁
Now that’s an exciting design! The first thing you said was you needed a 3rd for your LCR. Could you do a horizontal plan? Maybe have it rear ported and the arrangement veneered for a nice clean centre speaker look?
Horizontal mtm designs are inherently flawed. And it's going to be behind the screen hidden from view anyways
Need more sites retailing flat pack options for those of us without some of the tools that might only ever be used on 1 or 2 projects.
I have found a local cnc shop, there prices are not bad, might add 150$ to the over all cost
This is so dope! JTR also has a 215, but I wonder if a 218 inspired design like this is possible. 😲
I'm thinking the same thing. That would definitely need a compression coaxial. But that would be epic!
Biggest issue with bigger drivers is the larger the driver the lower the beaming point is. That's why you'll see higher midrange to tweeter crossovers on smaller drivers. An 18" driver would start to beam at around 700hz.
@@TylerStout you would end up having to use a compression coaxial for a speaker like that. They can typically cross over as low as 300-500hz.
add in some 6.5" mids in the center and watch these really come to life
Small tip for ya, save some of your sanding dust in a zip lock bag, for when you have cracks or your seems don't match up perfectly. Then when you need the sanding dust for the seems, sprinkle some into some wood glue, mix it together and use a puddy knife to push it into the seems. Let it dry, then lightly sand it again. You'll sand your sand paper doing it this way versus sanding while glue is wet.
Just wanted to add-I've had great success using steel threaded rod for bracing. Easier for possibly better result. Interesting Monster build Toids.
I’ve been dreaming about jtr speakers ever since I learned about them. Save money and diy. Love it. Using these as LCR, which of your other builds would you pair with these for rear surrounds?
jhs arent picky of dacs, but i suggest the most neutral since they are good as it is
I like the way you think.
Nice! Great and well done
these were cool to look at :)
Awesome build as always Nick! I've been waiting for this! Not going to be building them any time soon, amazing either way!
THank Elliot. If you ever find yourself in the neighborhood...You can always audition them :)
@@Toid I might need to stop by and audition them. Seriously.
When Godzilla needs to hear his fav tunes !
Lovely build 😀😀😀❤️❤️ awesome job as always !!!!!
Those are awesome 👌. I wish you would let me finish the exterior. They really deserve a top notch finish. Not saying it's bad, but I just don't like the roller finish.
i pend 850,00 USD to make my home theater, and looks awesome with amazyng sound, 700 watts RMS , and 100 inch screem,
I would also isolate the woofers from the horn chamber
Always making it look easy. Probably sound better than the $14,000 speakers anyway. They come off an assembly line. Your speakers are way more desirable.
Nice man! I wish I had the tools and time to do this. I bet they sound awesome. I'd love to hear some classical/orchestral music that has a lot of dynamic range on these.
You sound amazing. At $650 each speaker, they come in at quite a bargain. I can't think of any speakers I'd rather have it this price point
Build complete and I must say, they sound great. I’d recommend to anyone. The cost is a bit higher thanks to inflation these days but it was worth it in my opinion!
Thank you for sharing! I’m glad you are enjoying them.
@@Toid next is the subwoofer build!
@@Miketheconservative you’ll love it!
@@Toid I want to build a big center channel and two rear floor speakers but my laptop is not working properly to build a crossover and such. Is it possible you could lend a hand?
I really want to build some speakers. I've ordered parts months ago but didnt have time due to uni. Now i really have to do it though.
Excellently done, again!!
That Piggly Wiggly hat is sick! hahahah
@12:07, drilled like a man who has put a hole through a cone or two. (I use the same hand-block method for the same reason 😂😂)
Lol. I may have a time or two....or three....😂🤣
Just found out about your TH-cam video. Love it keep doing your stuff
I'll bet these image very very good. nice job !
Now we need matching surrounds!!
Another great video Toids!!!!
Are triad gold monitors next? That would be sweet. I'm interested in these as well, I just might give these a shot, I've been looking for a diy speaker project for behind my screen, but I'm wanting something without a horn waveguide. I'll be checking your channel frequently. Good stuff man.
Those speakers are sick... great build and video man!
Would love to hear how these sound in comparison to the real deal… looks awesome though! Great job!
THat would be cool to test them out.
@@Toid I have some in Texas if you live near..?
@@Toid Did you ever hit up tkcdac?
i find 3rd order to sound better anyways, just takes more work to balance, especially a 3 way
Love the Piggly Wiggly hat!
Wow they sound amazing!!! 😄
Very nice. I would love to hear something like that. I have just never been a fan of compression drivers. I'm a silk dome. Then again, maybe I haven't heard them setup right.
After all I do like my titanium dome tweeters in my Paradigm monitor 11s.
I just totally wished you had a reference speaker like the Klipsch R-800F where you can compare your DIY speakers to and explain the strengths/weaknesses to said reference. It's very hard for the viewer to know whether it's worthwhile to build it and perhaps be disappointed when it's finished.
i think in diy we tend to hear what actulay the sound is brand always adds some ups and downs in their speakers to call them their signatures when comparing each and every speaker there will be difference and that will certaily base on one's way if approch
Those would smoke the Klipsch
@@BostonMike68 Yeah, but it's not about smoking it. It's about telling potential builders how much better/worse it is compared to a popular and easily auditioned speaker like the Klipsch or other reference speaker if Toids chose to.
It's not even in the same ballpark. He's using 2 12" high efficiency professional drivers those are what people use for concerts and big events. They are 98 SPL per watt or something crazy. You can't even compare them they have a aluminum basket with a 3 " inch voice coil. Klipsch steel stamped basket aluminum cone 1.5 voice coil like he said if you had to buy something like that he modeled after it would cost $14000 you can't compare a big box store speaker with something like that it will put perform it in every way. I built a lot of speakers and I want to build them I was just on Madison sound website and saw the specs of the compression drivers and woofers the only thing you can compare it to is what he modeled it after
@@BostonMike68 Did you not understand what is meant by a reference speaker? ... It's a way to compare it so that someone who wishes to build it will know what they are getting. Toids just says... It sounds good, it sounds great... What the heck does that mean? ... Say something like it has extended response to 25khz at -3db. It has better linearity across the midrange compared to the Klipsch. It has sharper imaging, 10db more dynamic headroom than the klipsch... Etc. Just saying it sounds great doesn't help people who are going to spend hundreds of dollars on drivers etc. I'm not arguing what is better or worse... I just want more comparative info and yes... A 1k diy speaker can easily out class a 3k retail speaker and that is what Toids should be saying.
I also use egg crate foam pads. But I prefer 3M 90. Unlike 3M 77, it isn't a mist that drifts everywhere.
I'll have to try that out sometime. I've never tried 3M 90.
Now thats what im talking about. Take my money. You have to build the center and surrounds.
Nice build Toid.
Sweet!
Looks like I took lunch at the right time. 😆
What a coincidence! Me too 🤣
I had to click when I saw the Piggly Wiggly hat! Awesome job
Ha! My wife loves Piggly Wiggly. We don't have any near us, but we were traveling and stopped. So we all got some gear ;)
waf (-10) , my approval factor (+100) very cool man , .... someday... someday
Haha! So true!
They look to be very light. I have a pair of floor standing Dali's and I certainly couldn't move them around the way you are.
Good stuff as always! Man I need a cnc haha!
They definitely are nice to have. You could always check out something like a bulkman workbee for cheap. I am not saying they are great, but they can get you started in CNC for pretty cheap.
@@Toid Interesting, thanks for the recommendation. One of these days...
joseph crowe did some measurements on this woofer. the impedance profile is almost like a tweeter. very low inductance which translate to very snappy bass and clean midrange.
Reminiscent of the famous Klipsch Epic CF-4! Given the great tools you have, I think it's time to consider compression midbass folded horns such as Klipsch La Scala. They are magical!---even with modest drivers. And they perform well up to 700hz, so don't really require a gigantic mid horn.
Youthman had the La Scala’s and traded them up for JTR lol
Need vid of them playing please. Good vid though.
great job, inside support frame is good
Notice how he blocks the screw bit from the speaker surround, typically something only experienced speaker builders do. Usually end up ruining at least one or two speakers before this becomes habit. LOL.
Very nice detailed build
I'm hoping you are going to design up some sides, rear, and Atmos speakers that sonically pair with these in the near future. 😁 I mean not everyone has a room where a 58" tall soaker can be used for all channels.😯😉
Agreed. I don't even have a room for that
You can make them 4cuft , 40-44" tall ported
37" tall if you wanted sealed
NIce video, I am assembling a system bi-amp with crossover - 1 amp for high 100w (rms/channel) + 1 amp 500w (rms/chanel) - electronic crosover + equalizer - I am thinking that works good in this speakers, bi-amp, and I dont need crossover inside the box - but a speaker bi-wired - I will work on this - when I have the results I will show.
Duuuude! Really really good work! How many hours do you spend on building them? I could never do it
Awesome video.
Ooooh Not bad man... i wish i could do that too. normally iam not fan of DIY Speakers but that looks good.
Maybe the center could be like the 212HTR??
We need a follow-up on these great build. And demo!
good walk thru / talk thru. thx.
Very nice build! Good job!
Can't wait to see what you'll do after the center and focus on the surrounds / atmos speakers ;) I have a set of paradigm studio 60 v3's and a paradigm cc 570 v3 I picked up for a steal ($125 at a pawn shop lol) and am always tempted ever since I did my custom sub, to build bigger and "better" HT speakers. So, I have been laying in wait trying to plan and slowly build up to a final layout of the HT and equipment before I finish off the basement and have it all set in stone. In the mean time I enjoy the hell out of it all but I always have that nagging urge to DIY
i sadly dont have all that equipment for ''simply building it'' If you have all those machines and stuff allready so the only stuff you need is the material itself.. yeah i would do that right now too :D
but i want to get into it a little bit at some point. right now i m just using my elacs and they sound nice, i m happy with them. but a couple years down the road, i m pretty sure i might wanna step it up. At that point tho, i might just go DiY, maybe even some open baffle stuff, dont know. But the amount of value you get out of those diy speakers is just insane compared to what the same money could buy you
One doesn't need that much equipment to build diy speakers, even speakers as large as these. Most hardware stores where you buy the mdf or plywood will cut the wood to size for free or for a very small charge. I've built a few diy subwoofers and bookshelf speakers and the hardware stores make cuts more accurately than what I would be able to do. Once the wood is cut, to make the circles for the baffles and braces you would need just a router and jigsaw.
Now that it's a year later ,would you use the same speakers or would you use a different set?
I wish I had the time to build such stuff.
I don't have a lot of spare time and I would build speakers and put crossovers together until 3 am and sleep for 2 hours and go to work
@@BostonMike68 Can't afford anymore. Working with patients from 8am to 7pm, getting up at 6 and being home 8 to 10pm. And 2 kids that my wife takes care of during the week.
Hi great creations indeed Congratulations They also look like the old JBL SVA series that i love
Speaking of cabinet bracing i have thought a little about cabinet panels vibration.
A very telling test of how much the cabinet design and construction can impact the sound i had once in a shop. They were showing two PA speakers from the same brand, same drivers and same amps inside
One had a wood cabinet the other a plastiC cabinet to be used outdoor. The bass of the plastic cabinet was a disaster ... weak and confused. The bass from the speaker with a wooden cabinet was amazing for power, control and clarity.
I think that the only really critical side by far is the FRONT BAFFLE
I have seen some graphs in the Stereophile reviews of loudspeakers of the vibrations measured with accelerometers fixed to the various cabinet panels Strangely enough they measure side and back panels but not the most important one ... the front baffle.
The front baffle vibration levels i am sure are orders of magnitude above the vibration levels of all other panels.
I am sure that the level of side and back panels vibrations is so low that when they reach the listener reflected by the listening room walls they will have no impact at all.
The secret is all in the design and construction of the front baffle that must stay completely still even during the room shaking bass passages.
I read a very telling explanation. They were comparing the front baffle to a newspaper kept in the front of a reader. If the paper moves back and forth the reading results very difficult because the eyes has to focus a moving object.
Of course the more extended the front baffle and thinner is the more the vibrations will be.
For this reason i would try to separate mechanically (i.e. put in a separate box) the lower woofer from the other mid and high drivers.
When the range from let's say 100-150Hz down is done right to reproduce the rest of the audio range is much less critical. Going up with frequency the energetic content of vibrations will be much lower in level and so much easier to suppress.
The woofer is a like a beast ... it needs a proper cage to keep it under control.
Put it in the same box/cabinet of mid and high drivers and the problems begin. Kind regards, gino
Love u 😽! We know your building the best home theater speakers! $14k is nothing. Have a cable that costs more than that.
How much did the crossover parts cost for this?
Could it be worth it to go active for a setup like this?
Damn. Beautiful.
I really wish there was a way to quantify the 'detail' and 'sound signature' of drivers. You can take 5 different brands of drivers with effectively the same TS parameters and they will all sound a bit different.
I agree. I wish there was an easy way to figure that out. I do have a video coming out that will test four different compression drivers. But that will just give you your frequency response graph and distortion measurements as well as decay. It'll help, but won't be an end all for anyone. Having said that, I really like this is compression driver.
You can. You can measure them. Detail is the lack of the many kinds of distortion along with other properties that are measurable.
@@Clobercow1 You 'can' measure a lot of it, but I don't think I've ever seen a waterfall graph on a speaker page before. Most days, I just feel lucky to get an accurate frequency response graph and accurate TS parameters.
@@Kcducttaper1 Vance Dickason does some really good driver measurements in voice coil magazine, they seem to be quite reliable. These kind of measurements do exist, but I do agree with wishing they were more common!
@@Clobercow1 waterfall charts (for passive speakers) don’t show anything new, they just show the frequency response (any “trails”/“tails” has to come from a bump in the frequency response).
I’m surprised you didn’t use the two way compression driver used on the jtr. They suppose to give you beautiful highs and mids.
There's not many compression coaxials available for DIYers. In fact BMS, won't sell them to you. There are a few made by B&C, but not many companies make them in general.
These are incredible! I may actually build a pair of these! Do you have build plans for center and surround speakers to pair with these or do you plan to make some? Also what about upfiring atmos speakers?
Make 2 of these as my center channel
For you, you would want 8 of these, just as your center channel 😂🤣
@@Toid Center, rear surrounds and rear backs..
@@Toid atmos too!?!?