I really appreciate you posting this. You have given me confidence that I can build great speakers myself. As a finish carpenter, I will say that cutting square edges on the ports with a mitre saw is a very risky move and one that viewers should be aware of, Not only for your liability but for their safety. A round surface gives no stability against the fence to hold the port securely while being cut and can easily be caught and ripped through the saw taking fingers with it. I wish I had your CNC machine.
Several years ago I met Bruce Edgar in his home. He was a contributing editor for speaker Builder magazine. I later sent him a pair of Dynaudio drivers and asked him to try them in a mid-range Traxic Horn speaker design he was working on. He was so impressed with the speakers that when he returned the them, he also included the hand-built horns that he had designed. I later built a Pro sound system using the hand built horns with with Peavy Black Widow speakers and a set of tweeter horns. I've lost my high frequency hearing because of those speakers. Oh, but how much fun they were to listen too. This traxic midrange horn that was very similar to a design that ended up in a Klipsch speaker that Bruce designed for them.
Nice build and amazing colour but I was curious why you used crimp connectors and not solder and why there was no speaker gasket / threaded inserts for speaker screws.
It's great to see a simple, reasonably priced build that a guy could make on a table saw out in the shop or garage. Well done. You could have a lot of fun with that speaker.
Great build! I’d love to duplicate the old Polk audio towers with (8) 6.5’s and a 15” passive. Or some Def Tech towers with side firing powered sub? So many possibilities! BTW, I could watch that CNC all day
Thank you! I appreciate it. I've always wanted to recreate the definitive technologies or even the golden ear. I used to have some, I ended up giving them away to a friend that always wanted them when I started really getting into speaker building. That is definitely on the list to build someday. I never thought about building some Polk towers, but you might be on to something.
@@Toid I remember when the SDA-SRS speakers came out. They were a beast and sounded pretty good. They were not as transparent as the Apogee Scintilla or as fast but they made a good showing of themselves. Nothing like playing Ride of the valkyries with a PS Audio 200Cx cranked through them. Would make a fun play. Then again the Klipsch Korner horns were awesome too! Oh the old speakers, so many good ones to be had. For our system at home we have a set of four KD-4 for the corners and a KD-2.5 MTM for the center. Great image in a bad listening space. Nice build. Did you consider trying to source the actual drivers used in the KTP speakers?
Awesome DIY. Klipsch has been raising prices (even before the pandemic) based on heavy marketing. I do like their sensitive speakers and this DIY project is really interesting.
Klipsch arent even that sensitive about the same as most other speakers in the range. The way they do their testing is wrong and the opposite of what is basically agreed upon so that they can get these higher numbers to deceive people. ill never buy Klipsch just because of that
@@patrickrosington1174 That’s interesting. Ages ago I owned a pair of Klipsch KG 5.2’s. Spec wise it was 96 db 34-20KHZ. They were the shortest ownership I’ve had for any speaker. Sold them after a 8 mos. I don’t believe for a moment it went down to 34Hz. Too harsh and bass was flat.
I read someone on here (TH-cam) bought some used ones from a theater that was closing down. He said they were the best speakers he ever used. I believe he used them for a 2channel setup
There was a guy on the forum that recently built these and loved them so much. He was using them to channel before he got the theater built. Check it out: toidsdiyaudio.com/forums/discussion/the-home-theater-build-code-named-tht/ starts on page 7
I bet if I took a year break from your channel (won't though since this is my first video of yours!), and then came back, the subscribers will have at least tripled! Quality stuff all around brother.
I've always wanted to do this. I actually have a small wood shop and I've worked with wood for years now. I'm also an avid fan of music and home theater. I've always wanted to make an exact copy of high quality high end speaker to see how much cheaper I could build one instead of just buying it. I of course would need to be able to find and buy the actual drivers and either crossovers intact of atleast have the schematic for the crossovers so I could build them as well. As far as the cabinet I could of course just build them to the same measurements as the original. One of these days I'll do it....
First, I really enjoy the videos, and the fact that you make affordable alternatives to really high priced speakers. So thank you for the great content! I have a question. My room is 14x17x8 with the TV on the 14ft wall. Which do you think would give us the best HT experience for LCRs? The cinema 6, or these cinema 10s? We are a 99% movie/TV family. Very little music. I'll definitely be using the 10s for my surrounds, and our seating arrangement covers 30° left and right from the center of the tv. I have room for either design. Thank you!
@@vegapower454 you’re going to love them. They sound great. Nate on the forum is a great person to ask questions to. He posted a little bit about it here. toidsdiyaudio.com/forums/discussion/the-cinema-10-build-the-novice-edition/
Great build. But I will never put cross overs in my cabinets again. If you leave them external you can modify it anytime and hide them any where. May need more wire to hide stuff but a lot easier to tweak.
Awesome! Would love to see some EAW inspired cinema speakers. Fell in love with EAW loudspeakers when I worked in pro audio in San Francisco. We had a 2 million dollar rental warehouse with mostly EAW and some Community gear. I'm definitely a Klipsch fan, but absolutely love EAW's sound.
Hi Toid, i have built a few speakers over the yesrs and notice you used no panel damping or stuffing, are you not concerned about cabinet resonance, standing waves and rear reflections back to the woofer cone? Another great video by the way.
These remind me of my Econowave-pro speakers I built about 10 years ago. I still have them, tuned the box to 50hz, same waveguide as here, with an Eminence Kappa Pro 12". They are so good!!
@@keithmarlowe5569 winisd is pretty easy to use. Just mess around with it. Most drivers are in the database and if not you can usually find the TS parameters for your specific drivers, which will lead you to porting requirements across variable box sizes. I am so tech challenged, but I plinked around with Winisd and figured it out. You can do it!
I'd like to be building some speakers but remodeling the house comes first.aybe this summer I can squeeze some in. Awesome build. Like that you paint your speakers nice coolers instead of simulated wood vinyl, I do the same.
If painting MDF, I mix Elmer's white glue with water 70/30 (glue/water) and apply it with a chip brush. After two coats are allowed to dry, spray or brush on desired paint
Thank you so much for your videos! You do amazing work! Would you do a couple of videos just on how you design crossovers. What formulas and software you’re using? You’re very likable. Thank you for sharing.
Hey m8 nice video... I have a Klipsch Horn speaker which termites got into.Thats another story....I made them from an actual Blueprint back in 1975 i still have one which i will repair....these speakers give out massive crystal clear sound,i even loaned them to a rockband and they were very impressed,,,i just wish i had that table saw you have.....
I chuckled at time stamp 10:50... "Who cares if I slip with this here high-powered drill-driver and go right through my hand... I MUST protect the driver!" I do the same thing. Nick, you're a true speaker builder!
I would really liked to have seen a lot more footage and detail on building and wiring in the electronics/crossover circuit and an explanation of the four port speaker connector and its use.
Thank you for the build. How does this speaker compare to the JTS 212 from the mid bass up? Or better, compared to the best you have built for sound and imaging? Thinking about doing this build. Thanks Actually, it was your sound demo that sold me. I would say do it for every build. Very helpful. I can listen through the recording issues to get a good idea.
@@Toidhanks for the reply. My idea is to augment with stereo subs below 80 hz. I like this small form factor though. I saw your audience video and thought about their high end compression driver and wondered how it would better the celestion one used here. What drivers, wave guide would you pick to make the ultimate version of the cinema 10? If you have time to think about it that is?
Toid, I have pioneer CS-911A speaker boxes and want to renovate them into one of your builds. Can you do a video and a build for us that have vintage speaker boxes and want to use those boxes to make a really good set of speakers on the cheap. Is there any way to do this? There's millions of those vintage speaker boxes lying around needing to be upgraded.
I don't have a video touring my shop. But the CNC is a Cnc4newbie pro4848bl. They also sell the newcarve, which is a step below this. I almost ordered that one before I ordered this one.
Hi, thanks a lot for your perfect content! Please continue 😁 I have a question. I used to have Klipsch RF62 in my dedicated room. I changed them recently. Now I'm listening to them in stereo in my living room and while a like their sound I find their look too "common". Do you think there is a chance I can build new cabinets and reuse the same electronic components without losing the sound I like? Or even improve it? Thanks in advance for your advise. Stéphane
pretty neat, i think it would be really cool if you had those and then got like a 18 inch dayton audio subwoofer on low power that filled in that lower end a bit. great work man!
Great videos! have you experimented much with higher quality crossover parts, do you feel that spending more money on inductors, resistors, capacitors and speaker wire can improve the clarity of the speakers? Thanks! 🔈👍🏻
JR, I can answer that. If your building high end stereo speakers, AND you have the high quality front end components then yes. It's a balancing act, $60 foil caps on a $120 woofer is a waste. Same cap on a $250 mid or tweeter might be mid price. Balance the XO parts with the drivers. IMO XO should be about 1/2 to 2/3 the cost of the drivers. Of course it depends on the order of the XO and # of parts.
Believe me it's not a waste. With quality components on cheap drivers you can make them sound very very good indeed and really make them sound very premium. Also if the person who.made this video could add gaskets, screw inserts as well as resonating deadening stuffing in the cabinet that would help a lot as well for (sound) quality. Still a nice job and good looking speakers
Great video, thank you. I didn't see you put any sound absorbing material inside would they not benefit from it? From a personal view, I get inspired by the idea of custom build speakers until I see what's involved, ie, all your woodworking skills and equipment, and then I cry. 😩
I love these. I wish I could wall mount them because I don’t have nearly enough room in my living room and the couch is all the way back to the wall. 😢 guess it’s bookshelf speakers for me
I'm moving away from home theater but I'm a big fan of the Klipsch Heritage series. My "money is no problem" purchase would be some custom Cornwalls but that ain't gonna happen. These look like they could combine Heresy and Cornwall attributes. If you were building these for 2 channel music listening what changes would you make to the components and/or cabinet? Given my skills at this point, I definitely do not want to go 100% DIY and your plans look like a great resource for the cautious DIYer. I've built two sets of CSS speakers and I'm rehabbing some Cerwin Vegas currently.
Projects such as these, remind me of a project that is still popular where i live. Its called Tangen AVdesign inConcert Miles. Using two Beyma 15p80Nd 15" pro drivers and a Beyma TPL-150H tweeter horn. Its not cheap, but quality seems to be really high. 2022 these will cost you around 2200-2700 euro to build. They can be used with passive filtering, but active seems to be the way, to keep that +100 db efficiency and dynamics. One builder went from Klipsch RF-7 Mk II to inConcert Miles, and he said they were way better in every aspect, plus they can play much louder. And RF-7 Mk II cost around 6000 euro here. There is a few threads on the inConcerts, also in english.
Loved it. How well do they image? How was the Bass? Tight and punchy? Horn Tweeters or compression drivers, I keep hearing that they are shrill and tiring for long listening. What was your experience with these? Can these be considered for stereo system? Thank you for your content.
One of the great things about this waveguide, is it doesn't have the honkiness associated with typical compression drivers in a horn. I have no issues listening to these without tiring out. It should be pointed out that these are really designed to be crossed over to a subwoofer around 80hz. So you aren't going to get a lot of bass below that.
I was excited thinking wow I might try this … then you show a CNC machine to cut all your wood pieces!!! Yeah that uhh adds quite a bit to this build now!
Exactly my thoughts. I was like, "oh hell yeah, let's watch you build this thing", cut to CNC machine making perfect parts. I littery said, "you *&^%er", out loud. brought me way up to be brought right back down to earth, haha. The coffin is easy, it's those damn baffles that are time-consuming and difficult, especially if you're a novice like me.
You might wanna ask him for the designs and have a woodworker in your area cut it for you. If it’s for non commercial use, he might do a fellow enthusiast a favor
@@bartvrenegoor Everyone always suggests finding a woodworker cut something for you and I've never heard of someone actually finding someone to do it for them. Either it's cost-prohibitive or an actual woodworker would need a much larger project to make it worth their while. Still, so many people keep suggesting it.
I mean I'd always be happy to cut anyone a flat pack that wants one. You really don't need a CNC. I mean you're really just making a box. But the CNC definitely does help.
@@Toid totally. I can’t give you shit for using the best tool you have for the job! I’m sure you worked extremely hard to get where you are. And…I’m extremely grateful for your content!
how do you know that it sounds fantastic ? you are hearing a recording of it on your own speakers that is like watching a video about food that you have never tried before and saying how amazing it tastes
@@Crushonius the entire point of all the graphs was to show the real time performance metrics of said speakers. people who can read that understand how shits going to sound.
I bought four of the KPT-8000M speakers (in 2015) for my dedicated home theater. And they are definitely not a $5,000 speaker. They cost me $220 each, plus shipping. New. Not used or pulled from a theater or anything.
Hey I love your page my Question is you build really good speakers but what do you do with them, Do you sell them to the highest bidder or do you sell them for the price you listed, when making a price you have to add in your time and labor
It’s really disturbing that speakers that cost that much can be replicated for around $500. Not to mention you know the company pays much less than $500. For the materials to make their speakers. I can’t believe how much speakers cost these days. I remember you could go to Montgomery ward and buy a decent complete rack system with fairly decent speakers for $800. To $1500. Thanks for making videos like this because I’m not willing to pay these manufacturers these extremely overpriced speakers. Sorry for the rant. Lol. Great video
Great Video, as always! Im currently building the cinema 6. How do the cinema 6 compare to the cinema 10, except the axis response? Would you rather build the 6s oder 10s in terms of sound quality? Thank you:)
They're just designed different. The cinema 10 are really designed to fill up an area a lot more with space. Where the cinema 6 are designed more for you to easily point out where the sound is coming from.
What about all the theaters closing lately especially with Covid. I know theaters will sell their stuff to the public and have seen marketing (big movie signs/posters) and even things like 3-4 seats in a row. Curious to see if they would see the audio stuff, too.
A great build as always, thank you. Have you come across any "builds" based on the idea of a Klipsch Fives, basically something to blow the socks off a soundbar but connect directly to the TV
Just wondering why not rabbet your panels together and run more dados? Or run mitered corner blocks for better support of the boxes? Is it just not necessary or just to simplify? As a more traditional cabinet maker im just learning why. Thanks for the vids!
It’s not necessary. The most important thing in cabinet making with speaker building is creating a dead cabinet. And by that we mean a non-resonant cabinet. And that’s what the internal bracing is designed to do, along with the type of material and the thickness. It all place are roll.
Absolutely brilliant Toids, thank you. I have two questions for you in two comments. Would it be possible for someone with the time, enough obsessive-compulsiveness (adequately medicated) and your skills to build something similar to a Klipsch Klipschorn (yes, the big ones from a vintage era). I am a Baby Boomer and after participating in three wars, seeing destruction, misery, ... I have decided to seek some safety/sanity back to my roots (farm country living) and to equip my house with somewhat vintage 60~80s furniture, style, gear (as much as I can). Klipshchorns and Boses 901s were big (and out of reach) when I was young. Do you think that it can be "homebuilt"? Thank you, Ciao, L (Veteran).
I haven't researched that particular build, but I'm sure you could come up with something similar. What I would do is go ahead and get on the Forum and ask others what they think. I'm sure as a community we can come up with some ideas. www.toidsdiyaudio.com/forums
Hi Toids, thanks again for another very inspiring funny video. To be clear, "funny" in sens of to see a natural true DIT set up. It is very pleasant as a bonus of all your joyful projects, a privilege. With enthusiasm, welllll done and now another thinking to do. 👉 question 👈 👇 I might missed some info, my first langage being french. So... what are the other surrounding speakers with these one like Atmos set up. Thank you very much doing all this with joy.
@@Toid Welcome, perfect, with enthusiasm thank you very much. And yes this is very good and funny thing is, I start to view long time ago but I find out I stop when I saw the cnc tool and remember I search for this tool and kept searching and read bout it and forgot to come back. Of course it did caught my attention, as well I prefer this kind of ceiling speaker and congrats , very good and inspiring. Thank you!
@@garymcnemar6620 Sure. All it means is that the panels of the speakers come as a kit - packed flatly on top of each other. The DIY speaker builder then takes all of those parts (the front, back and all of the sides) and glues it all together. It's an easy and far cheaper way to ship speaker cabinets.
Hiah.. so were you just copying the port depth and diameter (and qty) to match the pre-existing design or did you use your design software to calculate the port tube length and diameter based on the correct resonant frequency? did you want the low end to be that high at 80 hz? I'm assuming since this is a small volume enclosure that's perfectly ok given that a system like this would have a sub, etc? Other than that very nice flat frequency response.. Having a cnc like that certainly is a hefty but worthwhile investment too. :)
I had a set of "homebuilt" speakers similar in size and shape to the JBL C-34 (1950s-60s) design. They were different from the JBL though, because the back at the corner was "open" to the wall corner at the bottom. The instructions were to sit the speaker 2" from each of the walls at the corner. It seems that they were copies of a Klipsch design. 12" woofer, 6 or 8" midrange, and a horn tweeter. Anyone know of a similar design? Lost'em in a house fire, but I loved'em. After I posted this I went hunting and found the original design. They were by Electro-Voice Aristocrat corner speaker copies, and Paul Klipsch designed them for E-V.
Great builds and as an audiophile, I can just hear the crispness of the speakers, even though YT compresses and I'm listening on PC speakers...blechhhh! Impressive dude! I'd follow that all day long, look forward to more! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
excellent build will you be building anything like a jbl 4722n or qsc sc-2150, would love to see your build of these large home theatre speakers as I would be wanted to build these later on in the year. keep up the great work!!
As a beginner in making home speakers; how would I go about the crossover thing? I would have to buy one, but would like to copy what you've made. Is there one which would do the trick and not dramatically increase building costs?
If you buy the plans, it includes the crossover design as well as box design and speaker placement. If you need help with that, you can just let me know and I'd be happy to help you.
Build Plans: toidsdiyaudio.com/product/cinema-10-speaker-plans/
Sound Demo: th-cam.com/video/9RVsASF-now/w-d-xo.html
The crossovers parts list?
@@rmlora6tt133 it's in the plans
how did you measure the frequency response? did you find any even or odd order harmonics/resonance popping up within any audio frequencies?
Any chance on building the boxes and shipping it out?
No sound demo 😅
I really appreciate you posting this. You have given me confidence that I can build great speakers myself. As a finish carpenter, I will say that cutting square edges on the ports with a mitre saw is a very risky move and one that viewers should be aware of, Not only for your liability but for their safety. A round surface gives no stability against the fence to hold the port securely while being cut and can easily be caught and ripped through the saw taking fingers with it. I wish I had your CNC machine.
as a fellow woodworker, I was thinking the exact same thing. Great video though, thanks for posting!
I’d thought the bad part was when he was cutting the posts off the ports, but when I saw him cut the squares with fingers in the ports...YIKES
Did you end up making yourself some speakers? I would love to know how they turned out
@@Dj992Music Not yet, but it will happen. I let you know when I do!
As a fourth woodworker… I wanted to agree with everything you said. I enjoy the videos, but I wish you would be more careful!
Several years ago I met Bruce Edgar in his home. He was a contributing editor for speaker Builder magazine. I later sent him a pair of Dynaudio drivers and asked him to try them in a mid-range Traxic Horn speaker design he was working on. He was so impressed with the speakers that when he returned the them, he also included the hand-built horns that he had designed.
I later built a Pro sound system using the hand built horns with with Peavy Black Widow speakers and a set of tweeter horns. I've lost my high frequency hearing because of those speakers. Oh, but how much fun they were to listen too. This traxic midrange horn that was very similar to a design that ended up in a Klipsch speaker that Bruce designed for them.
I love your videos, I wish you would do a video on making some Klipsch LaScalla's.
Decware has a guide for Klipshorn style cabs. Not exactly La Scalas but 🤷♂️
Nice build and amazing colour but I was curious why you used crimp connectors and not solder and why there was no speaker gasket / threaded inserts for speaker screws.
As an owner of a full klipsch system these make me jelly!!!! I'm going to have to build a set now.
It's great to see a simple, reasonably priced build that a guy could make on a table saw out in the shop or garage. Well done. You could have a lot of fun with that speaker.
That looks like more than a simple table saw.... Lol how much do that cost
@@Blueshade $5K+. I was just saying that it could be done on a table saw.
great sentiment aside, no way are you getting a basic ass table saw to perform the magic of a cnc build without compromise.
Great build! I’d love to duplicate the old Polk audio towers with (8) 6.5’s and a 15” passive. Or some Def Tech towers with side firing powered sub? So many possibilities! BTW, I could watch that CNC all day
Thank you! I appreciate it. I've always wanted to recreate the definitive technologies or even the golden ear. I used to have some, I ended up giving them away to a friend that always wanted them when I started really getting into speaker building. That is definitely on the list to build someday. I never thought about building some Polk towers, but you might be on to something.
sda-srs
@@josephlalock8378 yes!
Why not the holy Grail? rarest of rare. Frazier model 11's! I have set 50 of 100 if you would like dimensions. 😮
@@Toid I remember when the SDA-SRS speakers came out. They were a beast and sounded pretty good. They were not as transparent as the Apogee Scintilla or as fast but they made a good showing of themselves. Nothing like playing Ride of the valkyries with a PS Audio 200Cx cranked through them. Would make a fun play. Then again the Klipsch Korner horns were awesome too! Oh the old speakers, so many good ones to be had. For our system at home we have a set of four KD-4 for the corners and a KD-2.5 MTM for the center. Great image in a bad listening space. Nice build. Did you consider trying to source the actual drivers used in the KTP speakers?
Awesome DIY. Klipsch has been raising prices (even before the pandemic) based on heavy marketing. I do like their sensitive speakers and this DIY project is really interesting.
Klipsch arent even that sensitive about the same as most other speakers in the range. The way they do their testing is wrong and the opposite of what is basically agreed upon so that they can get these higher numbers to deceive people. ill never buy Klipsch just because of that
@@patrickrosington1174 That’s interesting. Ages ago I owned a pair of Klipsch KG 5.2’s. Spec wise it was 96 db 34-20KHZ. They were the shortest ownership I’ve had for any speaker. Sold them after a 8 mos. I don’t believe for a moment it went down to 34Hz. Too harsh and bass was flat.
@@epi2045 it's -3dB @34Hz and they meet the target. that being said, two 10" drivers can't sound too authoritative that low..
Like the hand blocking the screw penetrating the speaker when screwing it in with the drill. Thats literally the most important part of this build ha!
Absolutely! Great catch! I meant to mention something about that, but didn't.
I discovered that myself the hard way once....Thought I was the only one who figured that trick out!
I read someone on here (TH-cam) bought some used ones from a theater that was closing down. He said they were the best speakers he ever used. I believe he used them for a 2channel setup
There was a guy on the forum that recently built these and loved them so much. He was using them to channel before he got the theater built. Check it out: toidsdiyaudio.com/forums/discussion/the-home-theater-build-code-named-tht/ starts on page 7
I bet if I took a year break from your channel (won't though since this is my first video of yours!), and then came back, the subscribers will have at least tripled! Quality stuff all around brother.
Thank you! I appreciate hearing that! You're awesome! 👌
I've always wanted to do this. I actually have a small wood shop and I've worked with wood for years now. I'm also an avid fan of music and home theater. I've always wanted to make an exact copy of high quality high end speaker to see how much cheaper I could build one instead of just buying it. I of course would need to be able to find and buy the actual drivers and either crossovers intact of atleast have the schematic for the crossovers so I could build them as well. As far as the cabinet I could of course just build them to the same measurements as the original. One of these days I'll do it....
First, I really enjoy the videos, and the fact that you make affordable alternatives to really high priced speakers. So thank you for the great content! I have a question. My room is 14x17x8 with the TV on the 14ft wall. Which do you think would give us the best HT experience for LCRs? The cinema 6, or these cinema 10s? We are a 99% movie/TV family. Very little music. I'll definitely be using the 10s for my surrounds, and our seating arrangement covers 30° left and right from the center of the tv. I have room for either design. Thank you!
Can't go wrong with Celestion!! I just happen to be listening to this through vintage Celestion DL6 Series Two speakers which used to be my Dads.
I built these. Exactly to your spec. Love em!
They are awesome! Aren’t they? I need to see some pictures. 😁
I got the parts coming this week, cant wait. How do they sound?
@@vegapower454 you’re going to love them. They sound great. Nate on the forum is a great person to ask questions to. He posted a little bit about it here. toidsdiyaudio.com/forums/discussion/the-cinema-10-build-the-novice-edition/
Where can we see yours??
Great build. But I will never put cross overs in my cabinets again. If you leave them external you can modify it anytime and hide them any where. May need more wire to hide stuff but a lot easier to tweak.
Hahahaha just when I finished building the cinema 8. These look amazing. Great job!
Awesome! Would love to see some EAW inspired cinema speakers. Fell in love with EAW loudspeakers when I worked in pro audio in San Francisco. We had a 2 million dollar rental warehouse with mostly EAW and some Community gear. I'm definitely a Klipsch fan, but absolutely love EAW's sound.
meh
Eaw cr75f is a similar speaker to this build.
Hi Toid, i have built a few speakers over the yesrs and notice you used no panel damping or stuffing, are you not concerned about cabinet resonance, standing waves and rear reflections back to the woofer cone? Another great video by the way.
That's a great question. It wasn't necessary on this build, but it never hurts to add it.
These remind me of my Econowave-pro speakers I built about 10 years ago.
I still have them, tuned the box to 50hz, same waveguide as here, with an Eminence Kappa Pro 12".
They are so good!!
@@keithmarlowe5569 winisd is pretty easy to use. Just mess around with it. Most drivers are in the database and if not you can usually find the TS parameters for your specific drivers, which will lead you to porting requirements across variable box sizes.
I am so tech challenged, but I plinked around with Winisd and figured it out. You can do it!
I'd like to be building some speakers but remodeling the house comes first.aybe this summer I can squeeze some in. Awesome build. Like that you paint your speakers nice coolers instead of simulated wood vinyl, I do the same.
If painting MDF, I mix Elmer's white glue with water 70/30 (glue/water) and apply it with a chip brush. After two coats are allowed to dry, spray or brush on desired paint
Thank you so much for your videos! You do amazing work! Would you do a couple of videos just on how you design crossovers. What formulas and software you’re using? You’re very likable. Thank you for sharing.
I just looked at the 10 posts in the build log and didn't see the sound demo in your comments. Did I miss it? Excited about this set up.
No. I didn't have time to put it up last night. It'll be going up later today.
Thanks for the heads up and I hope you and yours are all doing better
Thank you. We are feeling better. Also the sound demo is up now.
Hey m8 nice video... I have a Klipsch Horn speaker which termites got into.Thats another story....I made them from an actual Blueprint back in 1975 i still have one which i will repair....these speakers give out massive crystal clear sound,i even loaned them to a rockband and they were very impressed,,,i just wish i had that table saw you have.....
I chuckled at time stamp 10:50... "Who cares if I slip with this here high-powered drill-driver and go right through my hand... I MUST protect the driver!" I do the same thing.
Nick, you're a true speaker builder!
HAHAHA! Exactly right. The hand will heal...hopefully ;)
This is really cool they look great speakers i want to try diy'ing speakers at some point just watching youtube vids for now.
You should. Not only is it very rewarding, but you can get much better sound then the consumer equivalent.
I would really liked to have seen a lot more footage and detail on building and wiring in the electronics/crossover circuit and an explanation of the four port speaker connector and its use.
something tells me that he goes into more detail in the guides he sells
Thank you for the build. How does this speaker compare to the JTS 212 from the mid bass up? Or better, compared to the best you have built for sound and imaging? Thinking about doing this build. Thanks
Actually, it was your sound demo that sold me. I would say do it for every build. Very helpful. I can listen through the recording issues to get a good idea.
Appreciate it. My favorites are the Soundstage 15’s followed by Cinema 10’s. They both are excellent for what your looking for.
@@Toidhanks for the reply. My idea is to augment with stereo subs below 80 hz.
I like this small form factor though.
I saw your audience video and thought about their high end compression driver and wondered how it would better the celestion one used here.
What drivers, wave guide would you pick to make the ultimate version of the cinema 10? If you have time to think about it that is?
@@rvaillant I wouldn’t change anything on the cinema 10. It came out the way I wanted and met all the goals I set.
great job!!! where do you get the crossover? Keep up the great work!!
Toid, I have pioneer CS-911A speaker boxes and want to renovate them into one of your builds. Can you do a video and a build for us that have vintage speaker boxes and want to use those boxes to make a really good set of speakers on the cheap. Is there any way to do this? There's millions of those vintage speaker boxes lying around needing to be upgraded.
Dude what machine do you have??? This is my dream wood shop setup!!!! Let me know if you have a video touring your shop.
I don't have a video touring my shop. But the CNC is a Cnc4newbie pro4848bl. They also sell the newcarve, which is a step below this. I almost ordered that one before I ordered this one.
Hi, thanks a lot for your perfect content! Please continue 😁
I have a question.
I used to have Klipsch RF62 in my dedicated room. I changed them recently.
Now I'm listening to them in stereo in my living room and while a like their sound I find their look too "common".
Do you think there is a chance I can build new cabinets and reuse the same electronic components without losing the sound I like? Or even improve it?
Thanks in advance for your advise.
Stéphane
It’s quite humbling watching someone with the right tools and the talent go at it!
Nice looking HT speakers, remind me a lot of the DIY Sound Group HTM's.
Came here to say this same thing. I've built 3 htm 8s
@@SkubaSam I have Fusion 12s, the HTM's predecessor. Fantastic speakers!
I have the Klipsch klf-30's old but great sound.
pretty neat, i think it would be really cool if you had those and then got like a 18 inch dayton audio subwoofer on low power that filled in that lower end a bit. great work man!
I would be interested in a video on dipole and bipole speakers diy build and the different interactions of them.
This is great. I would say they'd make a good set of right left speakers too
I completely agree with that. They fill up an area much more than you would expect for speakers this size.
Great videos! have you experimented much with higher quality crossover parts, do you feel that spending more money on inductors, resistors, capacitors and speaker wire can improve the clarity of the speakers? Thanks! 🔈👍🏻
JR, I can answer that. If your building high end stereo speakers, AND you have the high quality front end components then yes. It's a balancing act, $60 foil caps on a $120 woofer is a waste. Same cap on a $250 mid or tweeter might be mid price. Balance the XO parts with the drivers. IMO XO should be about 1/2 to 2/3 the cost of the drivers. Of course it depends on the order of the XO and # of parts.
Believe me it's not a waste. With quality components on cheap drivers you can make them sound very very good indeed and really make them sound very premium. Also if the person who.made this video could add gaskets, screw inserts as well as resonating deadening stuffing in the cabinet that would help a lot as well for (sound) quality. Still a nice job and good looking speakers
Great job. Which CNC machine and software would you recommend - yours seems to work well. :)
Great video, thank you. I didn't see you put any sound absorbing material inside would they not benefit from it? From a personal view, I get inspired by the idea of custom build speakers until I see what's involved, ie, all your woodworking skills and equipment, and then I cry. 😩
I love these. I wish I could wall mount them because I don’t have nearly enough room in my living room and the couch is all the way back to the wall. 😢 guess it’s bookshelf speakers for me
Nice build, but question: why did you decide not to put some foam/wool inside? isn't that best practice for every speaker?
I'm moving away from home theater but I'm a big fan of the Klipsch Heritage series. My "money is no problem" purchase would be some custom Cornwalls but that ain't gonna happen. These look like they could combine Heresy and Cornwall attributes. If you were building these for 2 channel music listening what changes would you make to the components and/or cabinet? Given my skills at this point, I definitely do not want to go 100% DIY and your plans look like a great resource for the cautious DIYer. I've built two sets of CSS speakers and I'm rehabbing some Cerwin Vegas currently.
I did something similar a few years ago. I built a variant of the econowave so 12" and 12x6 horns for my theater. Worked out very nice.
I did exact same Econowave build myself. using the Dayton 12. Its a party speaker, its loud, and clean.
Very nice build, I´d find the color distracting in HT use though
Projects such as these, remind me of a project that is still popular where i live.
Its called Tangen AVdesign inConcert Miles. Using two Beyma 15p80Nd 15" pro drivers and a Beyma TPL-150H tweeter horn.
Its not cheap, but quality seems to be really high. 2022 these will cost you around 2200-2700 euro to build.
They can be used with passive filtering, but active seems to be the way, to keep that +100 db efficiency and dynamics.
One builder went from Klipsch RF-7 Mk II to inConcert Miles, and he said they were way better in every aspect, plus they can play much louder.
And RF-7 Mk II cost around 6000 euro here. There is a few threads on the inConcerts, also in english.
Loved it. How well do they image? How was the Bass? Tight and punchy? Horn Tweeters or compression drivers, I keep hearing that they are shrill and tiring for long listening. What was your experience with these? Can these be considered for stereo system? Thank you for your content.
One of the great things about this waveguide, is it doesn't have the honkiness associated with typical compression drivers in a horn. I have no issues listening to these without tiring out. It should be pointed out that these are really designed to be crossed over to a subwoofer around 80hz. So you aren't going to get a lot of bass below that.
I'm looking for the video that explains how you create (or buy) the crossover.
Killer build Nick!
Thanks HiFi!
I was excited thinking wow I might try this … then you show a CNC machine to cut all your wood pieces!!! Yeah that uhh adds quite a bit to this build now!
Exactly my thoughts. I was like, "oh hell yeah, let's watch you build this thing", cut to CNC machine making perfect parts. I littery said, "you *&^%er", out loud. brought me way up to be brought right back down to earth, haha. The coffin is easy, it's those damn baffles that are time-consuming and difficult, especially if you're a novice like me.
You might wanna ask him for the designs and have a woodworker in your area cut it for you. If it’s for non commercial use, he might do a fellow enthusiast a favor
@@bartvrenegoor Everyone always suggests finding a woodworker cut something for you and I've never heard of someone actually finding someone to do it for them. Either it's cost-prohibitive or an actual woodworker would need a much larger project to make it worth their while. Still, so many people keep suggesting it.
I mean I'd always be happy to cut anyone a flat pack that wants one. You really don't need a CNC. I mean you're really just making a box. But the CNC definitely does help.
@@Toid totally. I can’t give you shit for using the best tool you have for the job! I’m sure you worked extremely hard to get where you are. And…I’m extremely grateful for your content!
LOL at the touch plate plug 2:57. Exactly how mine is!
Haha! Nice! Maybe someday I'll actually get around to installing one.
@@Toid Me too. For now I just leave it like that so I don't lose it.
@@James01520 same here 😁
What recording equipment do you use? Your voice sounds amazing. Can you post in the comments or in the notes with the video?
I use this Diety Microphone amzn.to/3rbTf21 plugged directly to my Canon 80D amzn.to/35A8VDU
Que bonita máquina CNC, felicidades, deseo que todos tus proyectos sean un éxito
Wow! What a fantastic sounding speaker, I’m super impressed and jealous. Wish I had a machine to cut out the cabinet MDF.
how do you know that it sounds fantastic ?
you are hearing a recording of it on your own speakers
that is like watching a video about food that you have never tried before and saying how amazing it tastes
@@Crushonius the entire point of all the graphs was to show the real time performance metrics of said speakers. people who can read that understand how shits going to sound.
I'm hoping to use this for my preamp with my guitar.
Amazing work brother🍺
Thanks for all your videos over the years. Your mdf builds are a new level though. Such a different aproach since the early ones..👍👏
Badass bro! What a nice build.👍 Is this a flat pack people can buy and build?
Beautiful build, your crazy talented and know your stuff. New subscriber Well done
Thank you!
I bought four of the KPT-8000M speakers (in 2015) for my dedicated home theater. And they are definitely not a $5,000 speaker. They cost me $220 each, plus shipping.
New. Not used or pulled from a theater or anything.
Great work! How do we cut the fancy shapes when we don't own a small CNC machine like yours? I have great skills but no computerized cutting gear.
i'd use router and scroll saw etc
Hey I love your page my Question is you build really good speakers but what do you do with them, Do you sell them to the highest bidder or do you sell them for the price you listed, when making a price you have to add in your time and labor
Some parts and speakers get sold to my Patreons. Off subscribe really wanted them, they'd just have to contact me with an offer.
Spackle works good to stop the mdf from absorbing the paint.
New to the channel here. Love how you always use crazy colors. Is there a reason you go with these colors?
Lol, not really. I actually chose this orange because I had leftovers from when we painted our kids room. But I like how these colors pop.
Can't help but wonder how it would sound with a pair of tens instead of just one.
Soon, I'll have a build with two 12s. So I guess we will find out 😉
Bonjour de la France.......... beau travail, mais pourquoi pas d'amortissement dans la boite ????????
It’s really disturbing that speakers that cost that much can be replicated for around $500. Not to mention you know the company pays much less than $500. For the materials to make their speakers. I can’t believe how much speakers cost these days. I remember you could go to Montgomery ward and buy a decent complete rack system with fairly decent speakers for $800. To $1500. Thanks for making videos like this because I’m not willing to pay these manufacturers these extremely overpriced speakers. Sorry for the rant. Lol. Great video
Great Video, as always! Im currently building the cinema 6. How do the cinema 6 compare to the cinema 10, except the axis response? Would you rather build the 6s oder 10s in terms of sound quality? Thank you:)
They're just designed different. The cinema 10 are really designed to fill up an area a lot more with space. Where the cinema 6 are designed more for you to easily point out where the sound is coming from.
Cool build. Did you use any dampening? Best! 💚🎸
Does crimping vs soldering make a difference? Or mainly personal preference?
Any way we can get your cut files for the CNC? Also, if you don't mind, what CNC machine is that? Looks sweeeeet.
Love the CNC, buddy. You have came really far in your builds. Great look.
Thank you James!
Great job, look cool. It would be super interesting if you sent one to Danny at GR Research to see what he thinks!
Let's make a 25 inch or 30 inch woofer. Great work!! Brilliant!
Awesome build vid guys . Great voice signature .
Wow! Awesome stuff!
Can you make diy imax subwoofer with 4 eminence lab 12 enclosure
love it when you use the chop saw. Hope the people watching don't pick up those bad habits. but Nice speaker build.
love it ...pair this with some low watt tubes...whoo wee
What about all the theaters closing lately especially with Covid. I know theaters will sell their stuff to the public and have seen marketing (big movie signs/posters) and even things like 3-4 seats in a row. Curious to see if they would see the audio stuff, too.
A great build as always, thank you. Have you come across any "builds" based on the idea of a Klipsch Fives, basically something to blow the socks off a soundbar but connect directly to the TV
I never thought about it. Maybe I'll look into it sometime
@@Toid I had pondered using a “soundbar” amp kit but driving drivers from a bookshelf kit
Just wondering why not rabbet your panels together and run more dados? Or run mitered corner blocks for better support of the boxes? Is it just not necessary or just to simplify? As a more traditional cabinet maker im just learning why. Thanks for the vids!
It’s not necessary. The most important thing in cabinet making with speaker building is creating a dead cabinet. And by that we mean a non-resonant cabinet. And that’s what the internal bracing is designed to do, along with the type of material and the thickness. It all place are roll.
Absolutely brilliant Toids, thank you. I have two questions for you in two comments. Would it be possible for someone with the time, enough obsessive-compulsiveness (adequately medicated) and your skills to build something similar to a Klipsch Klipschorn (yes, the big ones from a vintage era). I am a Baby Boomer and after participating in three wars, seeing destruction, misery, ... I have decided to seek some safety/sanity back to my roots (farm country living) and to equip my house with somewhat vintage 60~80s furniture, style, gear (as much as I can). Klipshchorns and Boses 901s were big (and out of reach) when I was young. Do you think that it can be "homebuilt"? Thank you, Ciao, L (Veteran).
I haven't researched that particular build, but I'm sure you could come up with something similar. What I would do is go ahead and get on the Forum and ask others what they think. I'm sure as a community we can come up with some ideas. www.toidsdiyaudio.com/forums
Hi Toids, thanks again for another very inspiring funny video. To be clear, "funny" in sens of to see a natural true DIT set up. It is very pleasant as a bonus of all your joyful projects, a privilege. With enthusiasm, welllll done and now another thinking to do.
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I might missed some info, my first langage being french. So... what are the other surrounding speakers with these one like Atmos set up. Thank you very much doing all this with joy.
Thank you Benoit! I designed these for Atmos: th-cam.com/video/ASzI-DAHDFE/w-d-xo.html if I misunderstood, let me know.
@@Toid Welcome, perfect, with enthusiasm thank you very much. And yes this is very good and funny thing is, I start to view long time ago but I find out I stop when I saw the cnc tool and remember I search for this tool and kept searching and read bout it and forgot to come back. Of course it did caught my attention, as well I prefer this kind of ceiling speaker and congrats , very good and inspiring. Thank you!
Wow. I would pay up for a flat pack of this speaker if it were available. GREAT choice on the color. Do you have a code for it?
I'll get you the code. It's from Sherwin-Williams. Also I am going to be offering flat packs sometime this week. I just have to calculate the cost.
@@Toid Awesome! Thanks.
@@robbetts could you share with me what a flat pack is?
@@garymcnemar6620 Sure. All it means is that the panels of the speakers come as a kit - packed flatly on top of each other. The DIY speaker builder then takes all of those parts (the front, back and all of the sides) and glues it all together. It's an easy and far cheaper way to ship speaker cabinets.
@@robbetts is it possible to find out the cost? I don't mind, since I don't have the cnc machine to cut the boards to precision.
it'd be inbteresting to see these run thru Erins audio analysis
Awesome built. Do you think you can build a speaker inspired by Tannoy XT 8F? Or a full range speaker based on Lii Audio Origin S-10?
I was like, is he really banging that shit on the corner of that board? :-D Amazing build, sir!
Amazing build. Have you tried building an active reference monitor. I haven't seen anyone attempt to that build yet. 🙂
Hiah.. so were you just copying the port depth and diameter (and qty) to match the pre-existing design or did you use your design software to calculate the port tube length and diameter based on the correct resonant frequency? did you want the low end to be that high at 80 hz? I'm assuming since this is a small volume enclosure that's perfectly ok given that a system like this would have a sub, etc? Other than that very nice flat frequency response.. Having a cnc like that certainly is a hefty but worthwhile investment too. :)
I had a set of "homebuilt" speakers similar in size and shape to the JBL C-34 (1950s-60s) design. They were different from the JBL though, because the back at the corner was "open" to the wall corner at the bottom. The instructions were to sit the speaker 2" from each of the walls at the corner. It seems that they were copies of a Klipsch design. 12" woofer, 6 or 8" midrange, and a horn tweeter. Anyone know of a similar design? Lost'em in a house fire, but I loved'em. After I posted this I went hunting and found the original design. They were by Electro-Voice Aristocrat corner speaker copies, and Paul Klipsch designed them for E-V.
Great builds and as an audiophile, I can just hear the crispness of the speakers, even though YT compresses and I'm listening on PC speakers...blechhhh! Impressive dude! I'd follow that all day long, look forward to more! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
excellent build will you be building anything like a jbl 4722n or qsc sc-2150, would love to see your build of these large home theatre speakers as I would be wanted to build these later on in the year.
keep up the great work!!
Thank you. The next build is going to be pretty epic. It's pretty big. I think you guys will really like them.
As a beginner in making home speakers; how would I go about the crossover thing? I would have to buy one, but would like to copy what you've made. Is there one which would do the trick and not dramatically increase building costs?
If you buy the plans, it includes the crossover design as well as box design and speaker placement. If you need help with that, you can just let me know and I'd be happy to help you.
Can you do videos on PRV speakers? They have very good sensitivity too
How would they work for the front L/R speakers? Or do you have another decently priced solution? These are kinda exciting.
These would definitely be great for an L/R.
“How to Build $5000 Speakers for $400”
Step 1: Buy CNC machine for $5k-$10k
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In all seriousness, really good, thorough video!
Great work! And very entertaining video, thanks