How to Build $5000 Speakers for $400 - Klipsch KPT Inspired - Cinema 10
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
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Have you ever wondered how High End Theaters got great sound? Is it possible to get that same sound in your house? It absolutely is! Come along as we take a look at Klipsch theater speakers and see if we can replicate them. But instead of paying over $5,000 for my speakers, I decided to make my own speakers for around $175 each. Want to make your own? Come see how!
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The crossovers parts list?
@@rmlora6tt133 it's in the plans
how did you measure the frequency response? did you find any even or odd order harmonics/resonance popping up within any audio frequencies?
@@doctordorkmeister5330
Hey Doctor,
Every driver,every cabinet,every system has resonances.
@@hino823
Depends on what definition you give
High-End,nowadays every audio component is called High-End.
SOTA says more,is State Of The Art
And CNO,meaning Cost No Object.
I'm in that biss,
Grtz
It’s quite humbling watching someone with the right tools and the talent go at it!
Several years ago I met Bruce Edgar in his home. He was a contributing editor for speaker Builder magazine. I later sent him a pair of Dynaudio drivers and asked him to try them in a mid-range Traxic Horn speaker design he was working on. He was so impressed with the speakers that when he returned the them, he also included the hand-built horns that he had designed.
I later built a Pro sound system using the hand built horns with with Peavy Black Widow speakers and a set of tweeter horns. I've lost my high frequency hearing because of those speakers. Oh, but how much fun they were to listen too. This traxic midrange horn that was very similar to a design that ended up in a Klipsch speaker that Bruce designed for them.
I really appreciate you posting this. You have given me confidence that I can build great speakers myself. As a finish carpenter, I will say that cutting square edges on the ports with a mitre saw is a very risky move and one that viewers should be aware of, Not only for your liability but for their safety. A round surface gives no stability against the fence to hold the port securely while being cut and can easily be caught and ripped through the saw taking fingers with it. I wish I had your CNC machine.
as a fellow woodworker, I was thinking the exact same thing. Great video though, thanks for posting!
A buddy of mine tried trimming down a wall switch cover plate with a miter saw. He doesn't grasp the significance of that near miss. You should get a band saw I said.
I’d thought the bad part was when he was cutting the posts off the ports, but when I saw him cut the squares with fingers in the ports...YIKES
Did you end up making yourself some speakers? I would love to know how they turned out
@@Dj992Music Not yet, but it will happen. I let you know when I do!
Awesome build vid guys . Great voice signature .
Thanks for all your videos over the years. Your mdf builds are a new level though. Such a different aproach since the early ones..👍👏
Great work! And very entertaining video, thanks
It's great to see a simple, reasonably priced build that a guy could make on a table saw out in the shop or garage. Well done. You could have a lot of fun with that speaker.
That looks like more than a simple table saw.... Lol how much do that cost
@@Blueshade $5K+. I was just saying that it could be done on a table saw.
great sentiment aside, no way are you getting a basic ass table saw to perform the magic of a cnc build without compromise.
Wow! Awesome stuff!
Really great content man.
Que bonita máquina CNC, felicidades, deseo que todos tus proyectos sean un éxito
Killer build Nick!
Thanks HiFi!
Great Video!! Well done!
Thank you so much for your videos! You do amazing work! Would you do a couple of videos just on how you design crossovers. What formulas and software you’re using? You’re very likable. Thank you for sharing.
I'd like to be building some speakers but remodeling the house comes first.aybe this summer I can squeeze some in. Awesome build. Like that you paint your speakers nice coolers instead of simulated wood vinyl, I do the same.
Hahahaha just when I finished building the cinema 8. These look amazing. Great job!
Beautiful build, your crazy talented and know your stuff. New subscriber Well done
Thank you!
I love your videos, I wish you would do a video on making some Klipsch LaScalla's.
Decware has a guide for Klipshorn style cabs. Not exactly La Scalas but 🤷♂️
First, I really enjoy the videos, and the fact that you make affordable alternatives to really high priced speakers. So thank you for the great content! I have a question. My room is 14x17x8 with the TV on the 14ft wall. Which do you think would give us the best HT experience for LCRs? The cinema 6, or these cinema 10s? We are a 99% movie/TV family. Very little music. I'll definitely be using the 10s for my surrounds, and our seating arrangement covers 30° left and right from the center of the tv. I have room for either design. Thank you!
Great Video!
I did something similar a few years ago. I built a variant of the econowave so 12" and 12x6 horns for my theater. Worked out very nice.
I did exact same Econowave build myself. using the Dayton 12. Its a party speaker, its loud, and clean.
I built these. Exactly to your spec. Love em!
They are awesome! Aren’t they? I need to see some pictures. 😁
I got the parts coming this week, cant wait. How do they sound?
@@vegapower454 you’re going to love them. They sound great. Nate on the forum is a great person to ask questions to. He posted a little bit about it here. toidsdiyaudio.com/forums/discussion/the-cinema-10-build-the-novice-edition/
pretty neat, i think it would be really cool if you had those and then got like a 18 inch dayton audio subwoofer on low power that filled in that lower end a bit. great work man!
I've always wanted to do this. I actually have a small wood shop and I've worked with wood for years now. I'm also an avid fan of music and home theater. I've always wanted to make an exact copy of high quality high end speaker to see how much cheaper I could build one instead of just buying it. I of course would need to be able to find and buy the actual drivers and either crossovers intact of atleast have the schematic for the crossovers so I could build them as well. As far as the cabinet I could of course just build them to the same measurements as the original. One of these days I'll do it....
This is really cool they look great speakers i want to try diy'ing speakers at some point just watching youtube vids for now.
You should. Not only is it very rewarding, but you can get much better sound then the consumer equivalent.
Awesome! Would love to see some EAW inspired cinema speakers. Fell in love with EAW loudspeakers when I worked in pro audio in San Francisco. We had a 2 million dollar rental warehouse with mostly EAW and some Community gear. I'm definitely a Klipsch fan, but absolutely love EAW's sound.
meh
Eaw cr75f is a similar speaker to this build.
Can't go wrong with Celestion!! I just happen to be listening to this through vintage Celestion DL6 Series Two speakers which used to be my Dads.
These remind me of my Econowave-pro speakers I built about 10 years ago.
I still have them, tuned the box to 50hz, same waveguide as here, with an Eminence Kappa Pro 12".
They are so good!!
Can you advise me on software? I just posted a question/comment about winisd, and lack of any useful guide for it.
Im thinking to use the seller's suggested box alignment and get on with it.
@@keithmarlowe5569 winisd is pretty easy to use. Just mess around with it. Most drivers are in the database and if not you can usually find the TS parameters for your specific drivers, which will lead you to porting requirements across variable box sizes.
I am so tech challenged, but I plinked around with Winisd and figured it out. You can do it!
@@josephhertzberg2734 I have learned Winisd isn't for determining crossover. Somewhere deep in the bowels of internet forums, I stumbled on an equation. 1) Multiply low and high sides of driver frequency range together, then derive square root. Do this for both drivers. 2) Do this with derived values of both drivers. Having done this, and looking at graphs side by side, it seems to work. Now then, I already purchased 2 way crossovers for my project, and the value isn't too far off. I bought 2.5K, and the answer from the equations is 1,626. I will build with the 2.5K and see what happens.
As an owner of a full klipsch system these make me jelly!!!! I'm going to have to build a set now.
Awesome DIY. Klipsch has been raising prices (even before the pandemic) based on heavy marketing. I do like their sensitive speakers and this DIY project is really interesting.
Klipsch arent even that sensitive about the same as most other speakers in the range. The way they do their testing is wrong and the opposite of what is basically agreed upon so that they can get these higher numbers to deceive people. ill never buy Klipsch just because of that
@@patrickrosington1174 That’s interesting. Ages ago I owned a pair of Klipsch KG 5.2’s. Spec wise it was 96 db 34-20KHZ. They were the shortest ownership I’ve had for any speaker. Sold them after a 8 mos. I don’t believe for a moment it went down to 34Hz. Too harsh and bass was flat.
@@epi2045 it's -3dB @34Hz and they meet the target. that being said, two 10" drivers can't sound too authoritative that low..
I bet if I took a year break from your channel (won't though since this is my first video of yours!), and then came back, the subscribers will have at least tripled! Quality stuff all around brother.
Thank you! I appreciate hearing that! You're awesome! 👌
Hey m8 nice video... I have a Klipsch Horn speaker which termites got into.Thats another story....I made them from an actual Blueprint back in 1975 i still have one which i will repair....these speakers give out massive crystal clear sound,i even loaned them to a rockband and they were very impressed,,,i just wish i had that table saw you have.....
Like the hand blocking the screw penetrating the speaker when screwing it in with the drill. Thats literally the most important part of this build ha!
Absolutely! Great catch! I meant to mention something about that, but didn't.
I discovered that myself the hard way once....Thought I was the only one who figured that trick out!
Hi, thanks a lot for your perfect content! Please continue 😁
I have a question.
I used to have Klipsch RF62 in my dedicated room. I changed them recently.
Now I'm listening to them in stereo in my living room and while a like their sound I find their look too "common".
Do you think there is a chance I can build new cabinets and reuse the same electronic components without losing the sound I like? Or even improve it?
Thanks in advance for your advise.
Stéphane
Badass bro! What a nice build.👍 Is this a flat pack people can buy and build?
This is great. I would say they'd make a good set of right left speakers too
I completely agree with that. They fill up an area much more than you would expect for speakers this size.
nice build.
love it ...pair this with some low watt tubes...whoo wee
Great build! I’d love to duplicate the old Polk audio towers with (8) 6.5’s and a 15” passive. Or some Def Tech towers with side firing powered sub? So many possibilities! BTW, I could watch that CNC all day
Thank you! I appreciate it. I've always wanted to recreate the definitive technologies or even the golden ear. I used to have some, I ended up giving them away to a friend that always wanted them when I started really getting into speaker building. That is definitely on the list to build someday. I never thought about building some Polk towers, but you might be on to something.
sda-srs
@@josephlalock8378 yes!
Why not the holy Grail? rarest of rare. Frazier model 11's! I have set 50 of 100 if you would like dimensions. 😮
@@Toid I remember when the SDA-SRS speakers came out. They were a beast and sounded pretty good. They were not as transparent as the Apogee Scintilla or as fast but they made a good showing of themselves. Nothing like playing Ride of the valkyries with a PS Audio 200Cx cranked through them. Would make a fun play. Then again the Klipsch Korner horns were awesome too! Oh the old speakers, so many good ones to be had. For our system at home we have a set of four KD-4 for the corners and a KD-2.5 MTM for the center. Great image in a bad listening space. Nice build. Did you consider trying to source the actual drivers used in the KTP speakers?
Nice build and amazing colour but I was curious why you used crimp connectors and not solder and why there was no speaker gasket / threaded inserts for speaker screws.
I have the Klipsch klf-30's old but great sound.
Great builds and as an audiophile, I can just hear the crispness of the speakers, even though YT compresses and I'm listening on PC speakers...blechhhh! Impressive dude! I'd follow that all day long, look forward to more! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Love the CNC, buddy. You have came really far in your builds. Great look.
Thank you James!
Great job, look cool. It would be super interesting if you sent one to Danny at GR Research to see what he thinks!
If painting MDF, I mix Elmer's white glue with water 70/30 (glue/water) and apply it with a chip brush. After two coats are allowed to dry, spray or brush on desired paint
Awesome built. Do you think you can build a speaker inspired by Tannoy XT 8F? Or a full range speaker based on Lii Audio Origin S-10?
LOL at the touch plate plug 2:57. Exactly how mine is!
Haha! Nice! Maybe someday I'll actually get around to installing one.
@@Toid Me too. For now I just leave it like that so I don't lose it.
@@James01520 same here 😁
Cool build. Did you use any dampening? Best! 💚🎸
Awesome video! Been waiting for this one since you hinted a couple weeks ago. Can’t decide if I wanna build these or the 6’s… I also recently saw a video for the magnat cinema ultras which look like a good way to get a LCRS with limited space and easy build
@toids dyi audio how do you determine the wattage/voltage for your cross-over components? Do you design the cross-over with xsim?
Brilliant
Amazing build. Have you tried building an active reference monitor. I haven't seen anyone attempt to that build yet. 🙂
Let's make a 25 inch or 30 inch woofer. Great work!! Brilliant!
Great job. Which CNC machine and software would you recommend - yours seems to work well. :)
I would really liked to have seen a lot more footage and detail on building and wiring in the electronics/crossover circuit and an explanation of the four port speaker connector and its use.
something tells me that he goes into more detail in the guides he sells
Badass. Great channel for me. Sub. Wait thwat the hell? WHy do you have that mega badass equipment? lol
I just looked at the 10 posts in the build log and didn't see the sound demo in your comments. Did I miss it? Excited about this set up.
No. I didn't have time to put it up last night. It'll be going up later today.
Thanks for the heads up and I hope you and yours are all doing better
Thank you. We are feeling better. Also the sound demo is up now.
What software and IR tools did you use to model and measure the speaker responses ?
Great work! How do we cut the fancy shapes when we don't own a small CNC machine like yours? I have great skills but no computerized cutting gear.
Nice looking HT speakers, remind me a lot of the DIY Sound Group HTM's.
Came here to say this same thing. I've built 3 htm 8s
@@SkubaSam I have Fusion 12s, the HTM's predecessor. Fantastic speakers!
Looks very similar to your JBL srx build. How do these two build compare and contrast? Also, can you share what type of surround build you would pair with this build being LRC?
love it when you use the chop saw. Hope the people watching don't pick up those bad habits. but Nice speaker build.
I discovered this channel about a month ago. I absolutely love watching you build speakers. Do ever you sell them?
Thank you. I do sell some occasionally. Just depends on what someone wants.
@@Toid Just a suggestion. You should quit your day job & start manufacturing home audio. You're a likeable guy & you do amazing work.
@@MushmouthJoe thank you. I appreciate it!
@@Toid I am also interested in purchasing these home theater speakers if you sell speakers like these.
What is the crossover unit you installed seperately in the box and did you buy that or make it?
You'd better be making a version of this with the de250, I'd buy those plans in a heartbeat
hi,
great job, your work seems really great. and your builds are are very close to a speaker I've been looking at, the Ojas speakers. and he has an 8'' speaker coaxial with a mod for an outside compression driver with waveguide. he bases his build on a jbl 328c but my guess is it could be done your way.... what do you think? the form factor, the looks and the sound seem to be really nice. the cross over is jbl made since it's a intagrable ceiling speaker that gets moded after with an L-pad. but a home made cross over sounds good, right up your alley. cheers.
Does crimping vs soldering make a difference? Or mainly personal preference?
Hiah.. so were you just copying the port depth and diameter (and qty) to match the pre-existing design or did you use your design software to calculate the port tube length and diameter based on the correct resonant frequency? did you want the low end to be that high at 80 hz? I'm assuming since this is a small volume enclosure that's perfectly ok given that a system like this would have a sub, etc? Other than that very nice flat frequency response.. Having a cnc like that certainly is a hefty but worthwhile investment too. :)
As someone new to speaker building, I wondering if this driver config might work well in my 3 empty EV ELX112's.
Didn’t see the demo on your page? Very cool build
Yeah it'll be up later today. I ran out of time last night to do it
Toid, I have pioneer CS-911A speaker boxes and want to renovate them into one of your builds. Can you do a video and a build for us that have vintage speaker boxes and want to use those boxes to make a really good set of speakers on the cheap. Is there any way to do this? There's millions of those vintage speaker boxes lying around needing to be upgraded.
Wow! What a fantastic sounding speaker, I’m super impressed and jealous. Wish I had a machine to cut out the cabinet MDF.
how do you know that it sounds fantastic ?
you are hearing a recording of it on your own speakers
that is like watching a video about food that you have never tried before and saying how amazing it tastes
@@Crushonius the entire point of all the graphs was to show the real time performance metrics of said speakers. people who can read that understand how shits going to sound.
I had a set of "homebuilt" speakers similar in size and shape to the JBL C-34 (1950s-60s) design. They were different from the JBL though, because the back at the corner was "open" to the wall corner at the bottom. The instructions were to sit the speaker 2" from each of the walls at the corner. It seems that they were copies of a Klipsch design. 12" woofer, 6 or 8" midrange, and a horn tweeter. Anyone know of a similar design? Lost'em in a house fire, but I loved'em. After I posted this I went hunting and found the original design. They were by Electro-Voice Aristocrat corner speaker copies, and Paul Klipsch designed them for E-V.
Any way we can get your cut files for the CNC? Also, if you don't mind, what CNC machine is that? Looks sweeeeet.
I love these. I wish I could wall mount them because I don’t have nearly enough room in my living room and the couch is all the way back to the wall. 😢 guess it’s bookshelf speakers for me
Great build. But I will never put cross overs in my cabinets again. If you leave them external you can modify it anytime and hide them any where. May need more wire to hide stuff but a lot easier to tweak.
I would be interested in a video on dipole and bipole speakers diy build and the different interactions of them.
Hi, was wondering if you could help me. I am looking for a diy speaker project for music. I want to try horn loaded, large woofer like this. Rock, pop, country. Looking for excellent musical clarity and liveliness. Will double as home theatre fronts, but not too concerned about that. Its all about the music. Would these work, or do younhave another recommendation? Thanks.
Great video, thank you. I didn't see you put any sound absorbing material inside would they not benefit from it? From a personal view, I get inspired by the idea of custom build speakers until I see what's involved, ie, all your woodworking skills and equipment, and then I cry. 😩
I have a pair of celestion retro KR 8 speakers and the plastik body is compelitly cracked this project look nice to rebuild with there drivers Only one problem the the bullet horn tweeter is completely intergrate into the plastik body waveguide there is no screw-on socket and mounting plate on the driver any idea to solve this??
I read someone on here (TH-cam) bought some used ones from a theater that was closing down. He said they were the best speakers he ever used. I believe he used them for a 2channel setup
There was a guy on the forum that recently built these and loved them so much. He was using them to channel before he got the theater built. Check it out: toidsdiyaudio.com/forums/discussion/the-home-theater-build-code-named-tht/ starts on page 7
I am wanting to build a sealed speaker using a horn. but my Woofer (a 12" SB34NRX75-6 needs crossed below 500Hz so thinking of a four way using the Eminence Beta-8A to bridge between the Woofer and the Horn. probably 200Hz, 850Hz and 4kHz. where the Horn I want to use can cross Selenium HC23-25 and the Selenium D250-X. Not sure what tweeter to use but probably the Beston RT002A Ribbon Tweeter. Think I only seen you build two ways with a Horn and woofer. But what is your opinion on this design?
how did you cut the parts? i cannot seem to find the cnc files to cut the speaker panels? since you show cnc cutting in the video
I looked high and low for ABS and PVC pipe with a 2.5 inch inside diameter. I can't find it anywhere. Can the ports be reworked to more modular pipe dimensions?
Projects such as these, remind me of a project that is still popular where i live.
Its called Tangen AVdesign inConcert Miles. Using two Beyma 15p80Nd 15" pro drivers and a Beyma TPL-150H tweeter horn.
Its not cheap, but quality seems to be really high. 2022 these will cost you around 2200-2700 euro to build.
They can be used with passive filtering, but active seems to be the way, to keep that +100 db efficiency and dynamics.
One builder went from Klipsch RF-7 Mk II to inConcert Miles, and he said they were way better in every aspect, plus they can play much louder.
And RF-7 Mk II cost around 6000 euro here. There is a few threads on the inConcerts, also in english.
Great videos! have you experimented much with higher quality crossover parts, do you feel that spending more money on inductors, resistors, capacitors and speaker wire can improve the clarity of the speakers? Thanks! 🔈👍🏻
JR, I can answer that. If your building high end stereo speakers, AND you have the high quality front end components then yes. It's a balancing act, $60 foil caps on a $120 woofer is a waste. Same cap on a $250 mid or tweeter might be mid price. Balance the XO parts with the drivers. IMO XO should be about 1/2 to 2/3 the cost of the drivers. Of course it depends on the order of the XO and # of parts.
Believe me it's not a waste. With quality components on cheap drivers you can make them sound very very good indeed and really make them sound very premium. Also if the person who.made this video could add gaskets, screw inserts as well as resonating deadening stuffing in the cabinet that would help a lot as well for (sound) quality. Still a nice job and good looking speakers
How do you choose the Drivers, why the Celestion CDX1-1745-8 and not lets say a B&C DE 25 which you used in the Cinema 7 i think? Would be really Interested.
I need something that has an F3 below 80 Hz. I would prefer 65 to 70 Hz. Any thoughts on how to get more flat response below 100 Hz?
How sensitive are these would they be a good build for a 10x2 watt class a tube amplifier set up?
I lost my old big PA ones. Looking into building another set, maybe 4. For behind the pc. Just need to compact it up a bit.
Spackle works good to stop the mdf from absorbing the paint.
it'd be inbteresting to see these run thru Erins audio analysis
Loved it. How well do they image? How was the Bass? Tight and punchy? Horn Tweeters or compression drivers, I keep hearing that they are shrill and tiring for long listening. What was your experience with these? Can these be considered for stereo system? Thank you for your content.
One of the great things about this waveguide, is it doesn't have the honkiness associated with typical compression drivers in a horn. I have no issues listening to these without tiring out. It should be pointed out that these are really designed to be crossed over to a subwoofer around 80hz. So you aren't going to get a lot of bass below that.
I'm looking for the video that explains how you create (or buy) the crossover.
I was like, is he really banging that shit on the corner of that board? :-D Amazing build, sir!
A great build as always, thank you. Have you come across any "builds" based on the idea of a Klipsch Fives, basically something to blow the socks off a soundbar but connect directly to the TV
I never thought about it. Maybe I'll look into it sometime
@@Toid I had pondered using a “soundbar” amp kit but driving drivers from a bookshelf kit
Nice build, but question: why did you decide not to put some foam/wool inside? isn't that best practice for every speaker?
Can you do videos on PRV speakers? They have very good sensitivity too
excellent build will you be building anything like a jbl 4722n or qsc sc-2150, would love to see your build of these large home theatre speakers as I would be wanted to build these later on in the year.
keep up the great work!!
Thank you. The next build is going to be pretty epic. It's pretty big. I think you guys will really like them.
Czy w zawartości do kupienia (planach) jest plik do wycinania na cnc ?
I'm moving away from home theater but I'm a big fan of the Klipsch Heritage series. My "money is no problem" purchase would be some custom Cornwalls but that ain't gonna happen. These look like they could combine Heresy and Cornwall attributes. If you were building these for 2 channel music listening what changes would you make to the components and/or cabinet? Given my skills at this point, I definitely do not want to go 100% DIY and your plans look like a great resource for the cautious DIYer. I've built two sets of CSS speakers and I'm rehabbing some Cerwin Vegas currently.