Brian: *gives deeply thoughtful analysis about the proper usage of stifle in a complex format and the value of dress down* Also Brian: Heh "Massive tool"
Although, he always says that stifle is a bad card. And also says that wasting the delver deck is a bad idea. From my limited experience, it has always been good. I have loam in my deck, they don’t 😂
34:17 It's a trigger, and if you Stifle the trigger, the battle will go to the graveyard. > 310.7. If a battle’s defense is 0 and it isn’t the source of an ability which has triggered but not yet left the stack, it’s put into its owner’s graveyard. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)
The combination of years of control experience to fetch with minimal life loss and playing DS is always a funny thing 😆. Not sure how round 3 briefly turned into a sultai vs mono white creatureless control mirror, but it was hilarious.
"Would you like to make some fuck Beserker!" Is what I've been hearing in my head since you did the deck tech, and glad you're also in that frame of mind.
checked the comments to see if someone said it first -- i think he got focused on the notion of the goblin token making daze worthless or something, maybe he'll reply
🎉🎉🎉 trophy, baby! I have been watching for a while and I think this is the best league video you’ve made. It has everything boshnroll viewers love: Thoughtful analysis ✅ Hilarious misplays ✅ Demolishing delver ✅ Demolishing combo ✅ Maindeck spice getting sided out ✅ Summoning cards to the top of your deck ✅ Hellbent opponent summoning cantrips to the top of their deck ✅ …what did I miss? Oh yeah, island thoughtseize keep, haha The cherry on top was that big brain moment at the end. Your videos have helped me become a better cEDH and legacy player. Thanks for all these amazing videos!
At 1:10:50, why not Daze the Caves of Chaos Adventurer picking up Watery Grave? That lets you play a 2/2 Death's Shadow next turn for sure and you have the option of FoW if they do something completely unreasonable.
I know that you don't typically play shadow, but in match 5 game 1 at 1:10:53 wouldn't the better play be to daze the caves of chaos and pick up watery grave. It lets you shock in next turn to turn on the shadow and you get to keep force just in case.
Simian Spirit Guide blows Daze out. You could make them have it and it would work more often than not, but it is a much worse situation if they do have it. I think both lines are close. Daze flops to Spirit Guide, Force flops to Fury. We already see a Fury in the graveyard so they are more likely to be able to stop the Daze than clearing 2 Death's Shadows with Fury on the turn we are tapped out. Once we untap everything is fine again because the Dress Down protects the Death's Shadows and presents the sneaky win. Daze would also be good for the reason you described. It's a close decision and I think either of them lead to "if they have the thing we are screwed". Though I prefer the Force line because it seems more consistent with the information we have.
When Brian pilots combo decks, he plays them like control decks trying to sculpt the perfect turn instead of just jamming. And when he plays Death's Shadow decks, he plays them like control decks trying to preserve his life total by not shocking despite a Shadow in hand.
I have actually been workshopping a Shadownought list myself recently!! Last night i stumbled upon this list on mtggoldfish while I was looking for recent stiflenought showings, and i was so pumped to see you play the very thing i have had on my mind lately and even take it to a 5 - 0! I was playing around with maybe having Fling instead of Berserk, but i do think Berserk giving trample post Dress Down is nice. I am disappointed you didn't mention using Berserk as wonky removal especially for a 1/1 delver or DRC. I was also playing around with having Lazav for slightly higher threat density. Post-mortem lunge could be spicy, too, since it grants haste through Dress Down...but you only get one crack unless you have extra cheese like Slip Out the Back. Lastly, i was sorely tempted by Urza's Saga, but i really think mising wins with the full 4 wastelands is too good to give up.
Haha, I played a Shadow-Nought deck on my channel that released the same day at this video! Great minds ;) I just missed on the trophy as well, but it was a straight UB list
dress down is so sick in this deck, it’s like a borderline decent card in legacy as just cantrip + btfo saga + pseudo stifle your opponents’ etb creatures, but the fact that it is also a modal spell that combos with your threats in this deck, and can even entwine on rare occasions and do all of the above, is just too saucy I agree that green splash seems weak here especially since blood moon seems hard to beat and it doesn’t have to be, you could have an island and a swamp in this deck stifle itself was also just okay, as usual, but I’m not thrilled about only 4 dress downs as nought combo-ers, stifle probably fine and pitches to force trying to think of other pairings you could’ve had this league, I think this deck is really good against cephalid breakfast, maybe 8 cast is tough? But idk dress down really good there. Mono red probably not ideal matchup but it worked out this league
Do you think adding a single sylvan library would just be too greedy? It seems busted with shadow early but considering you may only run one maybe too much of the time (because of other life loss) its just 2 mana mirri's guile? edit:Nevermind got to the part of the video that talks about it
Negative. Uro escaping is an alternate casting cost, not a trigger. That would be like Stifling "pay 1 life and exile a blue card" to cast Force of Will.
I never understood why delver style decks ever stopped running stifle. That card was the backbone of this entire league. Incredible play btw. This was really fun to watch.
Lots of opps making very questionable blocks this league. I sorta understand being blown out by Dress Down because that's not stock (tho well within range for a Shadow deck), but the Snuff blow out was pretty crazy
Delver/Reanimate: I'm a hyper tuned deck built for speed and consistency This deck: I dunno, deaths shadow is good right? And what about dreadnought, he's a pretty scary dude right? I'll think of a plan during the game
Here me out, game two against delver, if you fluster the ponder then they don’t hit the land can’t play murktide and give yourself another turn. I think it would have been more optimal as you wouldn’t have had another chance to fluster anyway to hit that ponder
Haven't watched the matches yet, but Sylvan Library over Court of Cunning seems an obvious choice as it avoids REB and allows you to keep your life total low against stp-decks.
I wonder one day if Bosh will go full postal and just have 5-0's in every one of his titles, good for the algorithm a would be genuene surprise when he 5-0's
I think this deck needs more threats instead of berserk. Wouldn't Uro fit the theme of cheating things into play with dress down? 🤔 Why do you spoil how you do on the title of the video???!?!? What exiting is left when wiever already know that you are going to win every match? You wouldn't put 0-4 drop on the title either, so there must be something else to put in the title than the ending. Please be better than that.
@@BoshNRoll I would love to. I tried to look for it, but the most recent post I find was 2 months ago. Could you please link the post in question here so I can read it?
Getting killed by a 1/1 death shadow empowered by dress down is like getting stabbed by a toothpick that turns out to be the hilt of a lightsaber.
Brian: *gives deeply thoughtful analysis about the proper usage of stifle in a complex format and the value of dress down*
Also Brian: Heh "Massive tool"
Although, he always says that stifle is a bad card. And also says that wasting the delver deck is a bad idea. From my limited experience, it has always been good. I have loam in my deck, they don’t 😂
Brian getting the final win after his anime mastermind moment. "Wait if I bring this random card in, I beat their prison elements." What a video.
Right!
34:17 It's a trigger, and if you Stifle the trigger, the battle will go to the graveyard.
> 310.7. If a battle’s defense is 0 and it isn’t the source of an ability which has triggered but not yet left the stack, it’s put into its owner’s graveyard. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)
That last game, with the sideboard tech doing EXACTLY what you needed it to, was amazing
Love it when a plan comes together
Okay I am going to build this deck with my college savings
Worth it
Less debt that way, stonks
Why go to college when will be replaced by robots in a few years anyway
@@pavelsamsonov8061 jajajajajaja
The combination of years of control experience to fetch with minimal life loss and playing DS is always a funny thing 😆. Not sure how round 3 briefly turned into a sultai vs mono white creatureless control mirror, but it was hilarious.
I absolutely love undefeated runs. I forget after clicking and the wins are still surprises to me.
"Would you like to make some fuck Beserker!" Is what I've been hearing in my head since you did the deck tech, and glad you're also in that frame of mind.
At 1:10:54 , is it better to daze the watery grave and replay it? Since you keep the force and get 2 2/2s instead of 1/1s?
checked the comments to see if someone said it first -- i think he got focused on the notion of the goblin token making daze worthless or something, maybe he'll reply
Well, well, well if that isn't another classic BoshNRoll Stiflenought trophy in the books!
Recent pox videos: Zero
Recent Dreadnought trophies: 2
Is the brand shifting??
@@BoshNRoll I thought the brand was shark still?!
Pretty sure the brand is now just "Degenerate fools make legacy players cry"
"Massive Tool"
Got a good chortle out of me. Never change Bosh
@47:00: Solitude, Initiative, Recruiter... nah who needs Torpor Orb
@1:14:25: Good use of Torpor Orb!
🎉🎉🎉 trophy, baby! I have been watching for a while and I think this is the best league video you’ve made. It has everything boshnroll viewers love:
Thoughtful analysis ✅
Hilarious misplays ✅
Demolishing delver ✅
Demolishing combo ✅
Maindeck spice getting sided out ✅
Summoning cards to the top of your deck ✅
Hellbent opponent summoning cantrips to the top of their deck ✅
…what did I miss? Oh yeah, island thoughtseize keep, haha
The cherry on top was that big brain moment at the end. Your videos have helped me become a better cEDH and legacy player. Thanks for all these amazing videos!
Grats on the 5-0 trophy! Slick gameplay and neat deck. Keep up the great work, sir!
Dress Down doing some serious work here. Great games. Watching these videos makes my lunch breaks fantastic. Thanks Brian.
That first game just shows how well you need to know the games interactions and stack rules. That was a sweet game and use of life.
At 1:10:50, why not Daze the Caves of Chaos Adventurer picking up Watery Grave? That lets you play a 2/2 Death's Shadow next turn for sure and you have the option of FoW if they do something completely unreasonable.
This gameplay was riveting. Tight games that you played superbly. Makes me want to play this deck.
Would love to see some more content with it 😊
This league was so sick!! Awesome and well done
Bosh: I have enough experience now to know where to click on modo.
Also bosh: submits a deck with 62 cards !
That's just extra fuel for the fire.
I know that you don't typically play shadow, but in match 5 game 1 at 1:10:53 wouldn't the better play be to daze the caves of chaos and pick up watery grave. It lets you shock in next turn to turn on the shadow and you get to keep force just in case.
Simian Spirit Guide blows Daze out. You could make them have it and it would work more often than not, but it is a much worse situation if they do have it. I think both lines are close. Daze flops to Spirit Guide, Force flops to Fury. We already see a Fury in the graveyard so they are more likely to be able to stop the Daze than clearing 2 Death's Shadows with Fury on the turn we are tapped out. Once we untap everything is fine again because the Dress Down protects the Death's Shadows and presents the sneaky win. Daze would also be good for the reason you described. It's a close decision and I think either of them lead to "if they have the thing we are screwed". Though I prefer the Force line because it seems more consistent with the information we have.
That was really fun to watch
Love the content man! Thanks for the uploads!
I loved when you told your opponent dress down was still in play. Really looking out for the homies lol
Game 1 of match 1 was lovely to watch.
Great video and great TSwift reference 😂
that one was a lot of fun to watch esp rounds 1 and 5
When Brian pilots combo decks, he plays them like control decks trying to sculpt the perfect turn instead of just jamming. And when he plays Death's Shadow decks, he plays them like control decks trying to preserve his life total by not shocking despite a Shadow in hand.
Just good fundamentals 😅
Buddy of mine was playing BUG Shadow a little while ago. Goyf, Berserk, and Sylvan Library overperformed with the nuking of lifetotal for Shadow
I have actually been workshopping a Shadownought list myself recently!!
Last night i stumbled upon this list on mtggoldfish while I was looking for recent stiflenought showings, and i was so pumped to see you play the very thing i have had on my mind lately and even take it to a 5 - 0!
I was playing around with maybe having Fling instead of Berserk, but i do think Berserk giving trample post Dress Down is nice. I am disappointed you didn't mention using Berserk as wonky removal especially for a 1/1 delver or DRC.
I was also playing around with having Lazav for slightly higher threat density.
Post-mortem lunge could be spicy, too, since it grants haste through Dress Down...but you only get one crack unless you have extra cheese like Slip Out the Back.
Lastly, i was sorely tempted by Urza's Saga, but i really think mising wins with the full 4 wastelands is too good to give up.
Fling is fine, but gets massively blown out to counter magic
Haha, I played a Shadow-Nought deck on my channel that released the same day at this video! Great minds ;) I just missed on the trophy as well, but it was a straight UB list
Now that is a title!
Man game 1 of round 2 looked DISMAL on that Thoughtseize but you really managed to wiggle through it. Impressive!
WOOO this one is a sweet one
Congrats on the undefeated league!
Fantastic league I’ll have to steal this list as well. Huge fan gonna probably take the dimir option
Berserk is awesome, berserking your opponent's creature is one of my favorite interactions in magic
Highly satisfying R5 win. 👍
Lateral thinking ftw
Last match felt so good
This might become my 1st legacy deck
Hey Jay, hope you have a beautiful day!
Matches 2 and 3 had some serious "Wasteland: The Gathering" gameplay
“The legacy experience”
Love to see UNDEFEATED in these vids.
dress down is so sick in this deck, it’s like a borderline decent card in legacy as just cantrip + btfo saga + pseudo stifle your opponents’ etb creatures, but the fact that it is also a modal spell that combos with your threats in this deck, and can even entwine on rare occasions and do all of the above, is just too saucy
I agree that green splash seems weak here especially since blood moon seems hard to beat and it doesn’t have to be, you could have an island and a swamp in this deck
stifle itself was also just okay, as usual, but I’m not thrilled about only 4 dress downs as nought combo-ers, stifle probably fine and pitches to force
trying to think of other pairings you could’ve had this league, I think this deck is really good against cephalid breakfast, maybe 8 cast is tough? But idk dress down really good there. Mono red probably not ideal matchup but it worked out this league
great deck!
that was squeaky clean
Is it worth it to put a Veil in the sideboard for storm considerations given the green splash? Don’t know what I would cut for it.
Edit: and discard.
Awesome League
Another trophy with dreadnought! Hell yeah!
Love it!
Can you stifle the exit the battlefield clause on dress down and keep it in play forever?
It would stay in play until its trigger condition is met again (the next end step). Cool trick that hadn't occurred to me though!
Do you think adding a single sylvan library would just be too greedy? It seems busted with shadow early but considering you may only run one maybe too much of the time (because of other life loss) its just 2 mana mirri's guile? edit:Nevermind got to the part of the video that talks about it
Can you stifle the uro escape trigger?
Negative. Uro escaping is an alternate casting cost, not a trigger. That would be like Stifling "pay 1 life and exile a blue card" to cast Force of Will.
You can stifle the "When Uro enters the battlefield, sacrifice it unless it escaped" trigger. Not that you'd want to do that to an opponent's Uro.
I never understood why delver style decks ever stopped running stifle.
That card was the backbone of this entire league.
Incredible play btw. This was really fun to watch.
match 5 game 1, why force instead daze and get back shock land? you would go on 11 and keep force in hand;) opp has no mana to pay
Nothing like a good Berk to kill 'em dead.
Lots of opps making very questionable blocks this league. I sorta understand being blown out by Dress Down because that's not stock (tho well within range for a Shadow deck), but the Snuff blow out was pretty crazy
Obligatory algorithmic contribution
Seemed a bit odd that you'd shuffle away berserk G1 with dreadnought and stifle also in hand. I'd be inclined to go for it, you did have FoW backup.
Berserk is a card I want to draw into once I'm sure my threat sticks.
@@BoshNRoll Not a fan of using it as removal on creatures that have summoning sickness or already dealt combat damage?
@@janhornbllhansen4903 Berserk is carefully worded so neither of those things are possible.
@@BoshNRoll Good answer /blush. I could've sworn someone did that to me once.
I was so ready to dust off my 2 beta berserks, then saw them hit the sideboard each match:/
Delver/Reanimate: I'm a hyper tuned deck built for speed and consistency
This deck: I dunno, deaths shadow is good right? And what about dreadnought, he's a pretty scary dude right? I'll think of a plan during the game
This deck is never losing to thassa's oracle decks 😅
There's few things more beautiful than stifling an Oracle trigger while your opponent just emptied out their library.
Why Watery Grave instead of more Underground Seas? Hi, I’m not super good at deck building, so have no idea why not go OG dual lands
Death's Shadow, bro
It’s a Death’s Shadow deck. You need to be able to reduce your life total on purpose.
@@BoshNRollI realized this 20 minutes in. And forgot to amend my comment.
@@BoshNRolland thank you for the explanation!
Hello!
Hello!
Woot woot!
As always, I see "undefeated" I click
Torpor Orb from the top rope!
Go Dimir and switch berserk for 1-2 murktides? Fun league all in all
Here me out, game two against delver, if you fluster the ponder then they don’t hit the land can’t play murktide and give yourself another turn. I think it would have been more optimal as you wouldn’t have had another chance to fluster anyway to hit that ponder
Would be interesting to see Varolz, the Scar-Striped in this kind of shell.
Damn I wish legacy was a paper format
Haven't watched the matches yet, but Sylvan Library over Court of Cunning seems an obvious choice as it avoids REB and allows you to keep your life total low against stp-decks.
Sylvan Library is a must play if u splash green at least in the sideboard
love this videos but posting the results in the title ruins the suspense!
I wonder one day if Bosh will go full postal and just have 5-0's in every one of his titles, good for the algorithm a would be genuene surprise when he 5-0's
I would prefer this honestly. Or some false "5-0?" Clickbates.
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Begone, Satan
I think this deck needs more threats instead of berserk. Wouldn't Uro fit the theme of cheating things into play with dress down? 🤔
Why do you spoil how you do on the title of the video???!?!? What exiting is left when wiever already know that you are going to win every match? You wouldn't put 0-4 drop on the title either, so there must be something else to put in the title than the ending. Please be better than that.
There’s a whole post about this in the community tab if you care to read it.
@@BoshNRoll I would love to. I tried to look for it, but the most recent post I find was 2 months ago. Could you please link the post in question here so I can read it?