Analysis of a debate is almost meaningless without having seen the debate. I think it's part of being an informed voter that you suffer through the debates themselves otherwise you're just choosing a spinster and take on their opinion
Agree, though if I'm being hyper critical, Starmer did look a little flustered, and Sunak did leave him stumped a couple of times (a little frustrating to watch given there are clear answers available to shoot down Sunak's questioning).
@Alistair. Spot on about how Kier should have answered the "You are not interesting" question. We don't need an interesting PM. We need a competent one
@@wynwow My point of reference is Vincent d'Onifro's character in "Men In Black", where he's playing an alien bug monster riding around inside the body of an unlucky farmer and pretending to be human with mixed success.
Starmer clearly wanted to stay dignified and look respectable. Sunak was deeply unpleasant. He basically went after the reform vote. I agree with Rory that if you were scoring this as a 6th form debate Sunak would win because he didn’t let Starmer speak, but in terms of likeability and being a decent person Starmer wins and the Yougov data reflects that.
The problem is that the public claims to want more professionalism in politics but then historically rewards whoever shouts the loudest and makes the biggest promises. Sunak will have won some voters with his approach.
Was surprised at the 'chosen audience member' that said the most important thing for a PM was charisma!, We had that with Johnson and he was a disaster, boring but good at the job is far far better.
@@matthewn1805 Both John Major and Gordon Brown were very capable and hardworking but were severely lacking in charisma. Especially John Major and anyone that remembers the headlines and news of the time, will remember how much he was scorned for being so boring. Both Major and Brown did not get themselves reelected. Ultimately, the public will expect a bit of charisma as they want to be led. Boris had too much charisma and very little in the way of capability and when that happens, charisma becomes nothing more than a clown show.
Rory has such a wealth of experience and his clear thinking is a delight to listen to. I hope he can lend some of his clarity of thought to the next Labour administration.
Sunak was very aggressive and at times looked like a spoiled school child wanting to have his own way all the while, he does not like being told he’s wrong
@@micecollective7555Starmer, every day. Rishi would give half to his mates, keep a quarter for himself & tell me that 25p is a good return before locking the gate to his mansion. The rest would remain “unaccounted for”.
Wishing Sunak used rudness, interruptions and pathetic way of using accusations rather than SAYING MIRE THAN TAX REDUCTIONS. He was better before. Now, sadly, he has lost the plot: causing rather than approaching forces, regardless of 'who' is on the opposition, is a very BAD attitude! To me, K S was much, much more honest and believable now!
debates are for boomers little buddy, they used to be a thing 20+ years ago, this Gollum creature stewart is living in the past paying attention to them ,obviously.
These comments annoy me. Focus on something real. If it were the other way round, e.g. Rory telling Boris what Boris was going to do, you'd immediately accept this as "Rory telling us what Boris is going to do because Boris is lying". I don't like Sunak and I'll be voting Labour but come on.
Sunak's aggressive behaviour reminds me of a comment by Dennis Healey's comment about an aggressive response from Geoffrey Howe. Like being savaged by a dead sheep.
All I saw in Sunak was an entitled public school boy with no manners shouting over everybody. His only tactic he has is shouting repeated unfounded claims in the hope of scaring voters, very project fear. I dont think any of it changes much, after all the debate events we have had I bet there were not many people were even watching this.
I think that you probably saw what you wanted to see, wearing your choice of coloured and extremely bigoted spectacles. Other than your knowledge of the person's life, what screamed public school to you about Sunak? What shouted entitled? Please answer.
@@simonjess8471 " what screamed public school to you about Sunak? " - Um....maybe that fact that he was educated, at great expense, at Winchester College, one of the top 30 private schools in the country
@@simonjess8471 I see someone just listened to Sunak saying Starmer didn't answer questions, he literally answered the immigration question and was 2 seconds later accused of not answering it. You're why our system is broken.
@@lcg8220 He repeatedly said that we are behind in processing applications and he would do more to get rid of the backlog. Anyone can say that, as it is precisely what both sides have said for 3 decades. Perhaps you can answer the question that everyone wanted him to answer, but that he did not. What is that process?
I am in my early 60s and retired at 53. Lots of people gave me pushback because they had difficulty grasping the concept of not working if you don’t have to. I looked at my life as stages. I earned everything I have now through a lot of hard work, but I owe it to myself to “stop and smell the roses” in my final stage of life. In my case I left the country after I retired and live in Latin America. It allowed me to get away from all the negative things happening in America while appreciating my new environment. I have yet to meet anyone who regrets retirement.
I think this is something I should do, but I've been stalling for a long time now. I don't really know which firm to work with; I feel they are all the same but it seems you’ve got it all worked out with the firm you work with so i surely wouldn’t mind a recommendation.
and Starmer isn't an entitled bratt get real for goodness sake you Labour trolls got it wrong last time and ignored true Labour people your getting it wrong again the polls are fooling you again.
Richi "won" what exactly? Starmer could have sat there and read the paper and ignored it all and that would still have been more persuasive than small-bloke with platinum chip on shoulder.
American observer here. Can't watch the debates across the pond, so I greatly appreciate having two respectable adults explain the inner workings of UK politics. Cheers guys.
Awh its a right carry on! Party's competing to be elected, telling you what they will do for you and end up not keeping to their word. We are in a political crisis here as far as governments go... similar to yours in the States
@@MarySheridan-hl8bi Whoa whoa whoa. Let's be real for a second. It's bad over here but America is utterly f*cked. America isn't even "America" anymore. It's the United States of Win At All Costs. And I do mean ALL costs, regardless of the damage it's doing. It's nowhere near as bad here I'm thrilled to say.
Starmer did struggle with the aggressive style of Sunak & seemed uncomfortable at times. But that's a win for me, dignified, under control well mannered. As for Sunak, arrogant, rude smug, entitled & not capable of controlling himself I don't want a Prime Minister like that.
@@chrisman5882 yeah you're so right. I would much rather someone who worked at hedge funds, & made millions as a partner of a company that helped trigger the 2008 financial crisis. & as PM has handed out contracts to his mates & his wife's family business yeah he's not self serving in any way, he's really got our interests at heart.
@@sue8046 let’s see who will take your tax money under labour Hmm union bosses, private health system will take a big chunk from NHS . And Tony’s friends, he start a war ones and he still owns money to people
When Sunak highlighted specific Labour Councils that had gone bankrupt, Starmer had an easy riposte - Tory-controlled Woking (the worst bankruptcy of the lot). He missed an open goal on that one.
No you are wrong, Starmer said that councils of all colours were bankrupt and may have mentioned Woking, from memory he said a few. It just got swamped in Sunaks bluster and Husain I think mentioned it but that also got lost
Sunak is like a broken record. Why can't we close our borders. Answer, Labour will put up taxes by £2000. What's your favourite colour? Answer Labour will put up taxes by £2000.......😂
It's the Trump strategy. Just keep pushing the lie over and over, until people start to think there's something in it or else nobody would be talking about it that much.
Interruptions, speaking over and shouty-shouty debates diminish British politics. The person supervising the debate should have been stronger and keep the PM in check.
Yep you are a knobEd then. And for the record… x-factor got shelved a few years ago and hasn’t been broadcast since. I never watched it and even I knew that.
Starmer comes across as steady and slightly boring whereas Sunak is shrill and rude. I'm not a labour voter normally but I prefer steady and boring to the shrill politics of Sunak at al. The moderator was useless. I switched off and watched the football instead.
All this crap about personalities is silly ..its all about real policies in action every day in peoples lives .The Cons policies are NOT WORKING AND BREXIT IS NOT WORKING ...
I don't understand how these two individuals are being compared on level ground! One of them has a character we can understand, the other has NO intention of honouring the manifesto he presents. How can any of you dignify this proven liar with your time. The tories will do what they always do, anything else is a lie. If we fall for it, we deserve what we get. The tories have been laughing at you for 14 years. Memento semper
@@martinpawley647come on… Georgia had Every man behind the ball after the 2nd minute, if England played like that they’d get slaughtered for being too defensive
@@archie7218 I’m not saying they weren’t! All I’m saying is that if England played like that against a significantly weaker Portuguese side they wouldn’t get any plaudits.
Mishal Husain was atrocious & blatantly biased in the prime ministers favour too, allowing him to shout over herself & Starmer, whilst also giving him the last say on almost every topic. Woeful mediation.
Im 49 & I’m one of the many who are physically disabled & told I would never work again, I personally think I could work if I got the operation done that I need, I have degenerative disc disease in my lumbar spine & need multi level fusion surgery, the surgeon decided that he wouldn’t do what was needed & try to do bare minimum which hasn’t worked now in more pain than before & on waiting list again for the job to be done properly. There’s a lot of waste happening in our health service from not doing what’s needed to fix people to not doing anything at all, if my surgery was done properly I think as long a pain was managed I could go back to work & this is what tweeds to happen get people healthier so they can get back to work would make this nation better & bring wealth to people instead of just writing them off for good like the situation I’m currently in.
On question of x2 best leaders... Sir Keir missed a trick.His line could have been, I am Labours ELECTED leader, Sunak lost to Liz Truss and was parachuted into the role, in desperation.
There's 2m people with Long Covid in the UK. There's the nub of the rise in people not working. And the Tories have stopped most people getting the vaccine that would reduce the incidence of Long Covid. Labour should be making more of that.
@@angiej4865I am a typical older worker and grafter who had COVID very early and before any vaccine. I just can't work the long hours that I used to, though more functional than many 😢
@@angiej4865yeah the two million figure is from the UK Office of National Statistics. Other countries managed to keep Covid cases much lower but the Conservatives handled the pandemic very badly and caused a lot of unnecessary death and long term illnesses.
So many of have changed role and had to adapt to Long covid and it is debilitating for many. The numbers are probably even an underestimate as the counting has stopped.
The existence of humanity is on the precipice. There has been almost no mention during the campaign by Labour or the Tories about the environmental crisis.
Did anyone else hear Sunak say "fuck sake" at one point? Audience was clapping something Starmer said and I could swear I distinctly heard him say "fuck sake" but it was very quiet
Sunak came across again as an entitled boor. Starmer, as a supply teacher on a bad day. However, I'd trust one to take fewer bribes and apply deep thought to mending our benighted country, so I'll stick with him.
Programme shouldn’t be called a “debate”, this was a question and answer session (be it with frequent annoying interruptions from Sunak who sounded quite frankly desperate).
What the debate showed me is that Sunak is clearly a libertarian. All he has to offer is low taxes (and the Rwanda policy). He made no mention of the things that actually matter to most people, eg health service, education, police, the state of our roads, employment. He wants to give our tax money back to us, so we can pay for these things out of our own pockets. In reality, only the wealthy could afford private health care, private education and private refuse collection. The sooner we are shot of him the better. The only problem is that swathes of England appear to have been fooled by Reform UK, who are cut from the same cloth as Sunak. Will this madness ever end?
Haven't you noticed, even how the camera pans more on Sunak when he tries to overtalked to Starmer, and the questions BBC chose to push the culture war of the Tories, the debate was abysmally biased.
'there's not been enough from either campaign on education' Don't forget that one of Labour's central missions is to 'break down the barrier to opportunities' which is all about education
Imagine being in Philip Davies' constituency knowing that whichever way you vote you could be contributing to him getting a sack load of most definitely undeserved wonga.
Sunak was directly involved is causing the credit crunch, which led directly to austerity, which has led directly to the cost of living crisis and the collapse of public services. That should be Labours attack line.
Why is this allowed to happen? The BBC adjudication of this Q&A was one sided and allowed the petulant un-elected prime minister to rant on and lie throwing untrue allegations at the opposition leader and cutting short his replies! Sir Kier conducted himself in a mature and statesman like fashion yet the pint size PM ranted like a school child in its first public school debate. More of the same? No thanks… The most important thing for me… Country First, Party (self promotion) Second)
Wow the BBC is completely inpartial👀👀. I wonder how they manged to pack that clapping crowd. I'm surprised there's that many clapping tories left in the country.
I don't even know why I watched it to be honest whole thing was a pointless mess. Did I learn anything? Not really. Rishi Sunak was irritating and awful making this fell more like a school playground debate with how he behaved. I can't imagine the wider electorate being impressed by any of this absolutely dreadfall stuff. Leave the US style presidential debates in the US.
It's interesting to hear you talking about Sunak, 'losing his job as Prime Minister; for example, as if he's a genuine Prime Minister of a genuine administration that has tried to run the country. Why can't you two own that we have had a 14 year kleptocracy. This man doesn't care. He was a Human Lobby for the financial industries. Good riddance. Oh, he won't be humiliated by losing, he'll be doing something else almost immediately. And, that something else will happen because he now has insider knowledge about our government. Disgraceful.
TB would have wiped the floor with Sunak. That’s what Starmer is lacking, the confidence to attack and be bold and brutal. TB had that ability to go for the jugular. Starmer much more focused on technical detail than soundbites. Pros and cons to that
Can’t agree with Alastair’s comment about Husain - she was so clearly biased in favour of Sunak and made several inappropriate comments, including indirectly mentioning Corbyn!
On discussion onf foreign policy; my view is that the UK has become very inward looking, probably as a result of Brexit and the likes of Johnson (clueless about the subject), Farage (need I say more), Sunak (lacking European heritage). I am a Brit living in France but may have to return to the UK as a result of Brexit; perish the thought.
Spot on Rory. Sunak tried the attack dog with the same arguments throughout and it just got very boring and rude. Starmer should have put him in his place like the out of touch comment which shut him up and got an applause from audience but only did it once. The host was very biased and never shut Sunak up and kept interrupting Starmer.
Because Reform is way more popular than they are making out…. Soaring a head in fact and this is because Nigel is representing the vast majority of the country.
At this juncture following hot on the heels of 'Gamblegate', Sunak knows full well that he hasn't got a hope in hell of reentering Number 10 as Prime Minister on the afternoon of May 5th. Whilst I understand that he has to go through the performance of debating with Starmer and acting as if he has a real chance of the Tories getting a majority, his real adversary and his real goal should be to poke holes in Farage's Reform party policies to ensure that those voters who will flow away from the Tories towards Reform, come back as much as possible. Reform have to be stopped in their tracks and if Sunak was a true leader and really cared about doing something for the country, it is this. That should be his mission now. Of course, he's missed that opportunity with his wishy-washy, weak response in not immediately suspending the offending MPs and Tory staff. So whilst Alistair and Rory's analysis is fascinating in many ways, it is really irrelevant who has won this latest 'battle' as it is abundantly clear that Sunak has lost the war. I can't tell whether there is a concerted effort in the media and amongst other parties to downplay Farage and Reform or whether it is blissful ignorance that they are unable to foresee how things may play out if Reform get their foothold in parliament. The Tories must absolutely have a thorough house cleaning post election and really sort themselves out and get rid of fools like Rees-Mogg, Braverman, Patel, Gove and others that have taken the party too close to the right or simply make them look absolutely incompetent. If they do not, then Reform will slowly but surely start to occupy the space of being the de facto right wing party. That, will be a disaster. Please do not underestimate either Farage or his party under his leadership. To do so, will be fatal.
I find these post-debate discussions more useful than the debates to be honest, Kier and Rishi are - under the circumstances of them - two people with the charisma of a muddy puddle. It unfortunately says quite a lot about the state of them that the substance has be drawn out by dissection rather than being clear from the outset. It's a shame neither of the leaders have actually gone on the podcast with you two, because the interviews with Ed Davey, Angela Rayner, and Rachel Reeves were remarkably informative in a media environment bent on sales over substance.
This won’t have changed a thing. I had to turn it off because Sunak was insufferable. Starmer could have easily shut down Sunak on immigration… “What are we going to do with migrants that arrive illegally? The same as you’ll have to do with 99% of arrivals you don’t ship to Rwanda. Except we’ll process them rather than burning more money on hotels”
Problem with the debates is the lack of a referee who will stop interruptions, which are designed to shutdown what ever the other person says, we should shut down the other mike to try and prevent this.
Starmer was calm. Looked a bit lost on immigration at one point. Processing claims faster and allowing vetted asylum seekers to work, and in turn pay taxes, would have been a good policy
Thing is immigration isn’t an issue in Wales and Scotland. It’s an England problem and the people of these nations are sick to back teeth of hearing about it rather than how these parties can help improve these nations.
They are going to ruin the country. These two fannies talking about two cheeks of the same butt whilst ignoring the Reform Party that huge numbers will be voting for….. they are going to be in for a big shock.
Kier Starmer must have been useless in court. Even the jury would have been frusterated with him. In a court room the judge would have controlled Sunak. Starmer either has stage fright waiting for judge to save him. He is used to address the judge and not the jury. He thinks that he doesn't need to try because Tories are losing all by themselves, again it is a legal approach as he knows that the case is clear to the judge and that is all that matters. He is also traumatised by the loss of the last ekection where at the door steps everyone complains about the unfainess of the Tories but in ticking the box they worry about the value of their houses and taxes going up. My brother in law is like that, he joins in when complaining about the unfairness but he votes concervative but tells my sister that his vote is private. Mind you in 2015, he was brazen about Brexit and claiming that the UK didn't need EU, even though he is an importer and has contracts suppliers in the EU. He is regrettinfg now but when I used to tell him that in twn years time the UK would be on his knees begging to get in again which was got under his patriatic skin and winning the war not realising how the UK lost the empire.
This comment section seems to get more left leaning by the day, Rishi sunak did well today got his point across kier starmmer kept looking shocked and cowardly on certain questions
Sadly for Sunak, aggression is not strength. These leader debates are also pointless - we don't have a presidential system in the UK. Interviews to explore the depth of a leaders policies offer much better insight.
It feels like most of the parties don’t talk to a lot of the younger people out there (40 yo or lower). They always seem to talk to the older voters who funnily enough vote more because they’ve got more time on their hands etc… Those under 40 have had such a rough ride - first generation worse off than the previous one - homes, university, economy trashed etc…..
So if and when Sunak ends up getting swept who is the logical leader for the opposition party? Seems like everyone has been so badly damaged by years of incompetence.
I couldn't watch it. I tried, but the background noise really distracted me. All three speakers were close-miced, so I don't understand why they allowed so much background bleed.
Genuinely don't watch the debates anymore because the interrupting really annoys me. I have 2 young kids and there's no way I'd consider it appropriate for them to act like Sunak does in debates. It's like watching Trump
There was no mention of levelling up. Also, Rishi's plans for welfare have been in place since David Cameron became prime minister and have persecuted those who are in genuine need. Finally, Rishi Sunak was rude and repeatedly spoke over Starmer.
Is politics now a game of ping-pong. We need depth, considered opinion based on evidence - but more importantly a vision of the future and how it might be achieved and how people's lives would be protected and enhanced.
Sunak really was very rude. If he had just listened and responded calmly he would have come across better. He came across well when he answered the questions about Women and brought his Daughters up. The rest of his constant hectoring was irritating.
@@annphillips1086 would you ? I’ve got 3 children and I’m a campaigner for Reform and yet I have a child amongst these three that has gone against the grain in our family and is voting for another party…. You sound rather intolerant to me as we have no problem with our son’s decision. Your children will probably never be honest with you about who they are voting for because of your intolerance so it’s probably a risky game that you are playing with your family dynamics.
@@Bedmoments Kind of ironic, that, given that Reform epitomises intolerance. I brought my offspring up to be thoughtful, caring and independent people and obviously as adults they can vote for whomever they choose. I don't own them. But I would be extremely saddened if they were to support the deeply unpleasant (and not even competent) Farage.
@@annphillips1086 you said you would disown them not that you would be saddened…… the left have proven themselves to be entirely intolerant and incredibly entitled and self righteous. You fail to see your own hypocrisy whilst trying to justify your position. Farage is a brilliant example of how a leader should be in a great country like England and the whole of the UK. He’s a patriot, he is not afraid of standing up for this country and he’s on the side of the people…. He will be in the hot seat in the next election after this one as people will be alarmed at the mess keir is going to make…. Get ready for the hiked up prices on everything and operation Detroit which is the pay per mile system…. Now that will be very interesting 😂
A relation of mine was in the Wilson government, and he said the greatest thing of British politics, Wilson and Heath would have a go at each other in the arena of Parliament and then enjoy your game of chess later together
I can’t watch any of the debates. The empty repeated phrases from either side, the made up facts, the ‘stump speeches’ - it’s doing my head in. The honest analysis of these guys - and analysts like them - is what’s keeping me interested in politics. Honest, open debates across the parties it’s what’s needed to restore faith in our system. True democracy.
Who else watched this instead of the debate.
Jupp. Indeed
I chose two guys I really enjoy watching rather than two guys that make me cringe.
Analysis of a debate is almost meaningless without having seen the debate. I think it's part of being an informed voter that you suffer through the debates themselves otherwise you're just choosing a spinster and take on their opinion
Who won: The Media (only people making money out of this), won.
It's like watching match of the day really 😂
Between a calm person & a hysterical one, always "bet" on the calm one 😂
Agree, though if I'm being hyper critical, Starmer did look a little flustered, and Sunak did leave him stumped a couple of times (a little frustrating to watch given there are clear answers available to shoot down Sunak's questioning).
@Alistair. Spot on about how Kier should have answered the "You are not interesting" question. We don't need an interesting PM. We need a competent one
Hopefully one that can spell competently. Not just a part of a machine.
Sunak appears to be a box of components that have been poorly assembled
@@wynwow My point of reference is Vincent d'Onifro's character in "Men In Black", where he's playing an alien bug monster riding around inside the body of an unlucky farmer and pretending to be human with mixed success.
Starmer clearly wanted to stay dignified and look respectable. Sunak was deeply unpleasant. He basically went after the reform vote. I agree with Rory that if you were scoring this as a 6th form debate Sunak would win because he didn’t let Starmer speak, but in terms of likeability and being a decent person Starmer wins and the Yougov data reflects that.
Sunak was rude and aggressive I wasn't impressed by him .
@@pip1723Some people like that. Not me.
I would hope that in a 6th form debate the parties would be prevented from speaking over each other, that's not a debate.
The problem is that the public claims to want more professionalism in politics but then historically rewards whoever shouts the loudest and makes the biggest promises. Sunak will have won some voters with his approach.
Starmer has run out of steam.
"Maybe if the Prime Minister would listen, he won't be so out of touch with the country" FLAWLESS VICTORY!
Was surprised at the 'chosen audience member' that said the most important thing for a PM was charisma!, We had that with Johnson and he was a disaster, boring but good at the job is far far better.
@@matthewn1805 The charisma remark was stupid.
Flawless victory? I’ll have a glass of whatever you’re having 🤣🤡
@@matthewn1805 Both John Major and Gordon Brown were very capable and hardworking but were severely lacking in charisma. Especially John Major and anyone that remembers the headlines and news of the time, will remember how much he was scorned for being so boring. Both Major and Brown did not get themselves reelected. Ultimately, the public will expect a bit of charisma as they want to be led. Boris had too much charisma and very little in the way of capability and when that happens, charisma becomes nothing more than a clown show.
I smell a rat it was rigged for sunak why was he reading his answers did he have prior knowledge of the questions ? He still managed to blow it .
Rory has such a wealth of experience and his clear thinking is a delight to listen to. I hope he can lend some of his clarity of thought to the next Labour administration.
He's a Tory
... and a decent man.
@@martinholmes-ue9koAn old style Tory. He’s nothing like this lot currently on the way out.
Rory is a Tory - though, it seems, one of the exceedingly rare half decent ones
@@shahpurpatell9120 no such thing as a decent Tory. I hope Labour don't take him on board.
Starmer was cool as a cucumber whereas Sunak was irritable and tetchy.
Sunak was very aggressive and at times looked like a spoiled school child wanting to have his own way all the while, he does not like being told he’s wrong
Oh dear! He will be voted out, and it will be deserved. The unfortunate part, is that will be the total opposite of the victory.
Probably frustrated, like the rest of us at Starmers inability to answer a simple question
Saint IKEA Starmer had his mouth open as if he was catching flies.
@@micecollective7555 No brainer.
@@micecollective7555Starmer, every day. Rishi would give half to his mates, keep a quarter for himself & tell me that 25p is a good return before locking the gate to his mansion. The rest would remain “unaccounted for”.
Wishing Sunak used rudness, interruptions and pathetic way of using accusations rather than SAYING MIRE THAN TAX REDUCTIONS. He was better before. Now, sadly, he has lost the plot: causing rather than approaching forces, regardless of 'who' is on the opposition, is a very BAD attitude! To me, K S was much, much more honest and believable now!
debates are for boomers little buddy, they used to be a thing 20+ years ago, this Gollum creature stewart is living in the past paying attention to them ,obviously.
Richie was tetchy (and trotted out the tired phrase "crystal clear" SEVEN times!)
Starmer was calmer
And 'mark my words' - how many times?!
@@jeanblemings5352 I did mark his words: 0/10
Calm, concise is what we need ✌
Prime Minister Titchy Tetchy. Soon to be ex Prime Minister after the General Election result.
Rishi Sunak keeps telling Keir Starmer what Keir Starmer is going to do.. This seems absurd to me.
This was exactly what I thought!
I believe that is in the absence of Starmer telling us what he will do, as he has no idea. Starmer will of course win this race to the bottom.
@@simonjess8471la-la land
These comments annoy me. Focus on something real.
If it were the other way round, e.g. Rory telling Boris what Boris was going to do, you'd immediately accept this as "Rory telling us what Boris is going to do because Boris is lying".
I don't like Sunak and I'll be voting Labour but come on.
I think Saint IKEA Starmer has forgot what he is going to do.
Sunak's aggressive behaviour reminds me of a comment by Dennis Healey's comment about an aggressive response from Geoffrey Howe. Like being savaged by a dead sheep.
All I saw in Sunak was an entitled public school boy with no manners shouting over everybody.
His only tactic he has is shouting repeated unfounded claims in the hope of scaring voters, very project fear.
I dont think any of it changes much, after all the debate events we have had I bet there were not many people were even watching this.
I think that you probably saw what you wanted to see, wearing your choice of coloured and extremely bigoted spectacles. Other than your knowledge of the person's life, what screamed public school to you about Sunak? What shouted entitled? Please answer.
Be careful i got a permanent ban on another platform for saying just what you have
@@simonjess8471everything about his approach shouts entitled public schoolboy.
Stop crying. The pain will be over soon
@@simonjess8471 " what screamed public school to you about Sunak? " - Um....maybe that fact that he was educated, at great expense, at Winchester College, one of the top 30 private schools in the country
@@simonjess8471 The accent for a start, followed by the air of arrogance.
I don’t agree that the debate was well moderated. The PM was allowed to interrupt far too much. The moderator was not firm enough with him.
I think that if Starmer had answered one straight question, it may have taken some heat off him.
@@simonjess8471He doesn't talk in soubdbytes.
She also kept interrupting Starmer but not Sunak and didn't correct numerous very obvious lies.
@@simonjess8471 I see someone just listened to Sunak saying Starmer didn't answer questions, he literally answered the immigration question and was 2 seconds later accused of not answering it. You're why our system is broken.
@@lcg8220 He repeatedly said that we are behind in processing applications and he would do more to get rid of the backlog. Anyone can say that, as it is precisely what both sides have said for 3 decades. Perhaps you can answer the question that everyone wanted him to answer, but that he did not. What is that process?
I am in my early 60s and retired at 53. Lots of people gave me pushback because they had difficulty grasping the concept of not working if you don’t have to. I looked at my life as stages. I earned everything I have now through a lot of hard work, but I owe it to myself to “stop and smell the roses” in my final stage of life. In my case I left the country after I retired and live in Latin America. It allowed me to get away from all the negative things happening in America while appreciating my new environment. I have yet to meet anyone who regrets retirement.
I think this is something I should do, but I've been stalling for a long time now. I don't really know which firm to work with; I feel they are all the same but it seems you’ve got it all worked out with the firm you work with so i surely wouldn’t mind a recommendation.
Thank you for this Pointer. It was easy to find your handler, She seems very proficient and flexible. I booked a call session with her.
Starmer looked uncomfortable because he kept getting interrupted. He can't answer a damn question when he's getting shouted at by an entitled brat.
and Starmer isn't an entitled bratt get real for goodness sake you Labour trolls got it wrong last time and ignored true Labour people your getting it wrong again the polls are fooling you again.
Richi "won" what exactly? Starmer could have sat there and read the paper and ignored it all and that would still have been more persuasive than small-bloke with platinum chip on shoulder.
American observer here. Can't watch the debates across the pond, so I greatly appreciate having two respectable adults explain the inner workings of UK politics. Cheers guys.
You're not missing out!
You think you get to throw our tea in the river and hundreds of years later snoop on our politicians? Get outta here, buddy!
😉
Awh its a right carry on! Party's competing to be elected, telling you what they will do for you and end up not keeping to their word. We are in a political crisis here as far as governments go... similar to yours in the States
@@MarySheridan-hl8bi Whoa whoa whoa. Let's be real for a second. It's bad over here but America is utterly f*cked. America isn't even "America" anymore. It's the United States of Win At All Costs.
And I do mean ALL costs, regardless of the damage it's doing. It's nowhere near as bad here I'm thrilled to say.
@@MarySheridan-hl8bi tbf I don't think we're anywhere near the situation in the USA.
It's amazing to have access to analysis of this quality at the touch of a button. Thank you
Clement Atlee was not charismatic but he was one of our greatest peacetime prime ministers ,
There is a certain irony in that comment given the times.
Greatest of all prime ministers!
@@SittaCarolinensisand not given enough credit
Will you please take your head out of your arse and focus. The result of this election will decide how many of us will die without need. Fix up
he contributed to genocide in malaysia, the UK has never had a good pm, not once.
Watch you and not the debate because I simply can’t bare watching Sunak
Me too.
Starmer did struggle with the aggressive style of Sunak & seemed uncomfortable at times. But that's a win for me, dignified, under control well mannered.
As for Sunak, arrogant, rude smug, entitled & not capable of controlling himself
I don't want a Prime Minister like that.
You want a lawyer for PM ?
When was last time you trust a lawyer?
When they're acting on your behalf
@@chrisman5882 yeah you're so right.
I would much rather someone who worked at hedge funds, & made millions as a partner of a company that helped trigger the 2008 financial crisis.
& as PM has handed out contracts to his mates & his wife's family business yeah he's not self serving in any way, he's really got our interests at heart.
@@sue8046 let’s see who will take your tax money under labour
Hmm union bosses, private health system will take a big chunk from NHS .
And Tony’s friends, he start a war ones and he still owns money to people
@@sue8046 when did you last trust a lawyer?
When Sunak highlighted specific Labour Councils that had gone bankrupt, Starmer had an easy riposte - Tory-controlled Woking (the worst bankruptcy of the lot). He missed an open goal on that one.
He missed so much more than just one open goal. Very sloppy performance
@@stankarpenkokeep taking the pills
No you are wrong, Starmer said that councils of all colours were bankrupt and may have mentioned Woking, from memory he said a few. It just got swamped in Sunaks bluster and Husain I think mentioned it but that also got lost
We must not forget that Starmer was a human rights lawyer, so of course he cares about people, welfare, poverty etc.
Or as the Tories would call him, an enemy of people 😂
is that why he is called Sir Kid Starver? He has dumped the ladder after he got to the top
Or that his Dad was a toolmaker
What about Jimmy Saville he let him off. Someone who cares?
@@flojo7449 🤦♂️
Sunak is like a broken record. Why can't we close our borders. Answer, Labour will put up taxes by £2000. What's your favourite colour? Answer Labour will put up taxes by £2000.......😂
It's the Trump strategy. Just keep pushing the lie over and over, until people start to think there's something in it or else nobody would be talking about it that much.
Interruptions, speaking over and shouty-shouty debates diminish British politics. The person supervising the debate should have been stronger and keep the PM in check.
I think she should have had a VETO button for when Rishi wouldn’t shut up and just kept on talking over everyone. Horrible fella.
Can we have an election to vote out the BBC audience as well - the questions were boring and repetitive and predictable.
I agree
Did you want something about EastEnders or X factor?
Yep you are a knobEd then. And for the record… x-factor got shelved a few years ago and hasn’t been broadcast since.
I never watched it and even I knew that.
Starmer comes across as steady and slightly boring whereas Sunak is shrill and rude. I'm not a labour voter normally but I prefer steady and boring to the shrill politics of Sunak at al. The moderator was useless. I switched off and watched the football instead.
I hate that we're expected to judge people by their ability in an adversarial presentation tv show. That doesn't mean they are good leaders.
All this crap about personalities is silly ..its all about real policies in action every day in peoples lives .The Cons policies are NOT WORKING AND BREXIT IS NOT WORKING ...
Darren Jones of Labour is doung a good job of ripping the Tories to shreds on other TV debates. I hope he gets a higher profile in the future
Who won really depends on whether honesty was a requirement.
0-0 draw?
farage won
Sunak has learnt from other presenters,tv presenters and personalities that interruptions and butting in are the way to go .
I don't understand how these two individuals are being compared on level ground! One of them has a character we can understand, the other has NO intention of honouring the manifesto he presents. How can any of you dignify this proven liar with your time. The tories will do what they always do, anything else is a lie. If we fall for it, we deserve what we get. The tories have been laughing at you for 14 years. Memento semper
I didnt waste my time watching the debate. Instead I watched Georgia stuff Portugal in the Euros! Better to watch this now.
@@peterm7548 Great match. Are you watching England because this is called passion and commitment.
@@martinpawley647come on… Georgia had Every man behind the ball after the 2nd minute, if England played like that they’d get slaughtered for being too defensive
I hate these “debates” it’s like watching kids bullying each other.
@@Lankyfool234georgia were quality mate
@@archie7218 I’m not saying they weren’t! All I’m saying is that if England played like that against a significantly weaker Portuguese side they wouldn’t get any plaudits.
He is also rude and not very good as a PM, kier was being polite and gentleman
😂 he won’t be able to hold his own with Nigel in parliament 😂
@@Bedmoments. Another one that shouts.
@@elss8717 you will all be shouting at Starmer soon when you realise how utterly useless he is going to be.
@@Bedmoments And why is he going to be useless?
@@elss8717 just wait and see for yourself.
Mishal Husain was atrocious & blatantly biased in the prime ministers favour too, allowing him to shout over herself & Starmer, whilst also giving him the last say on almost every topic. Woeful mediation.
Sunak really alienated me. Shouting and lying are not good debating skills. They are the weapons of a bully.
Public school stuff!!
Im 49 & I’m one of the many who are physically disabled & told I would never work again, I personally think I could work if I got the operation done that I need, I have degenerative disc disease in my lumbar spine & need multi level fusion surgery, the surgeon decided that he wouldn’t do what was needed & try to do bare minimum which hasn’t worked now in more pain than before & on waiting list again for the job to be done properly.
There’s a lot of waste happening in our health service from not doing what’s needed to fix people to not doing anything at all, if my surgery was done properly I think as long a pain was managed I could go back to work & this is what tweeds to happen get people healthier so they can get back to work would make this nation better & bring wealth to people instead of just writing them off for good like the situation I’m currently in.
As a supporter I used to bet on Carlisle United to loose as it made me feel better most weeks
On question of x2 best leaders... Sir Keir missed a trick.His line could have been, I am Labours ELECTED leader, Sunak lost to Liz Truss and was parachuted into the role, in desperation.
The pictures of Angela Rayner and Penny Mordant laughing backstage at a debate suggests to me that testerone might be an obstacle here!
How anyone watched that debate is beyond me. Why on earth the BBC thought it was a good idea to do the debate next to a protest is beyond me!
There's 2m people with Long Covid in the UK. There's the nub of the rise in people not working. And the Tories have stopped most people getting the vaccine that would reduce the incidence of Long Covid. Labour should be making more of that.
2 million? FFS...
@@angiej4865I am a typical older worker and grafter who had COVID very early and before any vaccine. I just can't work the long hours that I used to, though more functional than many 😢
That’s because so many people have reacted badly to the new vaccine. Some of my friends have been very ill
@@angiej4865yeah the two million figure is from the UK Office of National Statistics. Other countries managed to keep Covid cases much lower but the Conservatives handled the pandemic very badly and caused a lot of unnecessary death and long term illnesses.
So many of have changed role and had to adapt to Long covid and it is debilitating for many. The numbers are probably even an underestimate as the counting has stopped.
The existence of humanity is on the precipice. There has been almost no mention during the campaign by Labour or the Tories about the environmental crisis.
The Labour manifesto has a lot on the environment
Did anyone else hear Sunak say "fuck sake" at one point? Audience was clapping something Starmer said and I could swear I distinctly heard him say "fuck sake" but it was very quiet
I didn’t hear it but was it possible he was saying “for gods sake”? They can sound similar!
😂 didn’t, but would not surprise me. Little man is quite the vile little being.
It’s defo ffs!
At the closing part… I thought I heard it too!
@@cjl1434 yes timestamp 1:13:44/45 ish
Sunak came across again as an entitled boor. Starmer, as a supply teacher on a bad day. However, I'd trust one to take fewer bribes and apply deep thought to mending our benighted country, so I'll stick with him.
It is absolutely lovely to listen to a polite, honest, informative and entertaining debate.
Programme shouldn’t be called a “debate”, this was a question and answer session (be it with frequent annoying interruptions from Sunak who sounded quite frankly desperate).
What the debate showed me is that Sunak is clearly a libertarian. All he has to offer is low taxes (and the Rwanda policy). He made no mention of the things that actually matter to most people, eg health service, education, police, the state of our roads, employment. He wants to give our tax money back to us, so we can pay for these things out of our own pockets. In reality, only the wealthy could afford private health care, private education and private refuse collection. The sooner we are shot of him the better. The only problem is that swathes of England appear to have been fooled by Reform UK, who are cut from the same cloth as Sunak. Will this madness ever end?
Haven't you noticed, even how the camera pans more on Sunak when he tries to overtalked to Starmer, and the questions BBC chose to push the culture war of the Tories, the debate was abysmally biased.
'there's not been enough from either campaign on education'
Don't forget that one of Labour's central missions is to 'break down the barrier to opportunities' which is all about education
Imagine being in Philip Davies' constituency knowing that whichever way you vote you could be contributing to him getting a sack load of most definitely undeserved wonga.
Rory Stewart's analyses are much more thoughtful and unbiased than those from Alastair Campell
That is because Rory Stewart is a reasonable human being.
@@simonjess8471 I wish that he comes back to politics
Sunak was directly involved is causing the credit crunch, which led directly to austerity, which has led directly to the cost of living crisis and the collapse of public services. That should be Labours attack line.
Why is this allowed to happen?
The BBC adjudication of this Q&A was one sided and allowed the petulant un-elected prime minister to rant on and lie throwing untrue allegations at the opposition leader and cutting short his replies!
Sir Kier conducted himself in a mature and statesman like fashion yet the pint size PM ranted like a school child in its first public school debate.
More of the same? No thanks…
The most important thing for me… Country First, Party (self promotion) Second)
Yes I agree. Why aren’t the commentators stating the untruths. Sunak lied tonight and the fact checkers proved it.
Wow the BBC is completely inpartial👀👀. I wonder how they manged to pack that clapping crowd. I'm surprised there's that many clapping tories left in the country.
I don't even know why I watched it to be honest whole thing was a pointless mess. Did I learn anything? Not really. Rishi Sunak was irritating and awful making this fell more like a school playground debate with how he behaved. I can't imagine the wider electorate being impressed by any of this absolutely dreadfall stuff. Leave the US style presidential debates in the US.
Protesters shouting made it completely unwatchable
It got a bit better towards the end, but yes.
That was Rishi Sunak, not the protesters
It's interesting to hear you talking about Sunak, 'losing his job as Prime Minister; for example, as if he's a genuine Prime Minister of a genuine administration that has tried to run the country. Why can't you two own that we have had a 14 year kleptocracy. This man doesn't care. He was a Human Lobby for the financial industries. Good riddance. Oh, he won't be humiliated by losing, he'll be doing something else almost immediately. And, that something else will happen because he now has insider knowledge about our government. Disgraceful.
TB would have wiped the floor with Sunak. That’s what Starmer is lacking, the confidence to attack and be bold and brutal. TB had that ability to go for the jugular. Starmer much more focused on technical detail than soundbites. Pros and cons to that
Can’t agree with Alastair’s comment about Husain - she was so clearly biased in favour of Sunak and made several inappropriate comments, including indirectly mentioning Corbyn!
On discussion onf foreign policy; my view is that the UK has become very inward looking, probably as a result of Brexit and the likes of Johnson (clueless about the subject), Farage (need I say more), Sunak (lacking European heritage).
I am a Brit living in France but may have to return to the UK as a result of Brexit; perish the thought.
There's an alternate world out there somewhere where these two are the leaders of the two main parties
Spot on Rory. Sunak tried the attack dog with the same arguments throughout and it just got very boring and rude. Starmer should have put him in his place like the out of touch comment which shut him up and got an applause from audience but only did it once. The host was very biased and never shut Sunak up and kept interrupting Starmer.
Starmer is not a man of his word. Look how he’s treated Welsh Labour and the refusal of more powers for the nation.
The moderator was shocking....
a true blue indeed
She got the biggest round of applause for mentioning Corbyn 🙄
Ah, so you thought Sunak won? Blame the referee? Perhaps they should adopt VAR, or maybe you should accept that our next Prime Minister is a dead dud.
Just finished the question time episode and popped into TH-cam to see if you were live, Good timing!
Why does Starmer do these debates? There is a lot of downside risk and very little upside risk. He is way ahead in the polls… WHY?
Because Reform is way more popular than they are making out…. Soaring a head in fact and this is because Nigel is representing the vast majority of the country.
At this juncture following hot on the heels of 'Gamblegate', Sunak knows full well that he hasn't got a hope in hell of reentering Number 10 as Prime Minister on the afternoon of May 5th. Whilst I understand that he has to go through the performance of debating with Starmer and acting as if he has a real chance of the Tories getting a majority, his real adversary and his real goal should be to poke holes in Farage's Reform party policies to ensure that those voters who will flow away from the Tories towards Reform, come back as much as possible. Reform have to be stopped in their tracks and if Sunak was a true leader and really cared about doing something for the country, it is this. That should be his mission now. Of course, he's missed that opportunity with his wishy-washy, weak response in not immediately suspending the offending MPs and Tory staff. So whilst Alistair and Rory's analysis is fascinating in many ways, it is really irrelevant who has won this latest 'battle' as it is abundantly clear that Sunak has lost the war. I can't tell whether there is a concerted effort in the media and amongst other parties to downplay Farage and Reform or whether it is blissful ignorance that they are unable to foresee how things may play out if Reform get their foothold in parliament. The Tories must absolutely have a thorough house cleaning post election and really sort themselves out and get rid of fools like Rees-Mogg, Braverman, Patel, Gove and others that have taken the party too close to the right or simply make them look absolutely incompetent. If they do not, then Reform will slowly but surely start to occupy the space of being the de facto right wing party. That, will be a disaster. Please do not underestimate either Farage or his party under his leadership. To do so, will be fatal.
I find these post-debate discussions more useful than the debates to be honest, Kier and Rishi are - under the circumstances of them - two people with the charisma of a muddy puddle. It unfortunately says quite a lot about the state of them that the substance has be drawn out by dissection rather than being clear from the outset. It's a shame neither of the leaders have actually gone on the podcast with you two, because the interviews with Ed Davey, Angela Rayner, and Rachel Reeves were remarkably informative in a media environment bent on sales over substance.
This won’t have changed a thing. I had to turn it off because Sunak was insufferable.
Starmer could have easily shut down Sunak on immigration…
“What are we going to do with migrants that arrive illegally? The same as you’ll have to do with 99% of arrivals you don’t ship to Rwanda. Except we’ll process them rather than burning more money on hotels”
I don’t think the debate is a debate to remember until polling day, the people are set in there ways because the views is getting out the Tories.
Problem with the debates is the lack of a referee who will stop interruptions, which are designed to shutdown what ever the other person says, we should shut down the other mike to try and prevent this.
I noticed the arrival of both, the reception they received and how they responded was a marked difference. I certainly resonated with me.
Sunak really got my back up, I was sick of his rude interjections and his silly soundbites.
I thought he was doing his Piers Morgan impression😂😂🇬🇧
@@johnmccann5104 😂 very true!
@@Firepea I think both are like marmite....liked or loathed.... personally I don't mind Morgan and miss him holding politicians to account on GMTV 😉🇬🇧
Starmer was calm. Looked a bit lost on immigration at one point. Processing claims faster and allowing vetted asylum seekers to work, and in turn pay taxes, would have been a good policy
Thing is immigration isn’t an issue in Wales and Scotland. It’s an England problem and the people of these nations are sick to back teeth of hearing about it rather than how these parties can help improve these nations.
This is the greatest show in TH-cam by miles. Well done gents. Nice to see people with opposing views and ideas just talking for once...
Give it six months and everyone will be complaining about Keir Starmer if he becomes PM
They are going to ruin the country. These two fannies talking about two cheeks of the same butt whilst ignoring the Reform Party that huge numbers will be voting for….. they are going to be in for a big shock.
when he becomes pm
@@giftedsmith1511 indeed, then where will these under left loons go for help, they will have to form their own far left party 🤣
Kier Starmer must have been useless in court.
Even the jury would have been frusterated with him.
In a court room the judge would have controlled Sunak.
Starmer either has stage fright waiting for judge to save him.
He is used to address the judge and not the jury.
He thinks that he doesn't need to try because Tories are losing all by themselves, again it is a legal approach as he knows that the case is clear to the judge and that is all that matters.
He is also traumatised by the loss of the last ekection where at the door steps everyone complains about the unfainess of the Tories but in ticking the box they worry about the value of their houses and taxes going up.
My brother in law is like that, he joins in when complaining about the unfairness but he votes concervative but tells my sister that his vote is private.
Mind you in 2015, he was brazen about Brexit and claiming that the UK didn't need EU, even though he is an importer and has contracts suppliers in the EU.
He is regrettinfg now but when I used to tell him that in twn years time the UK would be on his knees begging to get in again which was got under his patriatic skin and winning the war not realising how the UK lost the empire.
This comment section seems to get more left leaning by the day, Rishi sunak did well today got his point across kier starmmer kept looking shocked and cowardly on certain questions
…so aligning with the rest of the country then?
Sadly for Sunak, aggression is not strength. These leader debates are also pointless - we don't have a presidential system in the UK. Interviews to explore the depth of a leaders policies offer much better insight.
It feels like most of the parties don’t talk to a lot of the younger people out there (40 yo or lower). They always seem to talk to the older voters who funnily enough vote more because they’ve got more time on their hands etc… Those under 40 have had such a rough ride - first generation worse off than the previous one - homes, university, economy trashed etc…..
Starmer was excellent. He has transformed British politics in such a short time. Incredible achievement
LOL! I hope you get your £30.
@@Steve-fk1jg Clearly sarcasm.
So if and when Sunak ends up getting swept who is the logical leader for the opposition party? Seems like everyone has been so badly damaged by years of incompetence.
I couldn't watch it. I tried, but the background noise really distracted me. All three speakers were close-miced, so I don't understand why they allowed so much background bleed.
Genuinely don't watch the debates anymore because the interrupting really annoys me. I have 2 young kids and there's no way I'd consider it appropriate for them to act like Sunak does in debates. It's like watching Trump
Starmer is like Burr "They don't need to know me, they just don't like you!"
That is entirely true and will be entirely good enough for him. Mourn our future.
2,000 recycling bins! 37 minute cities! 15 more taxes!
There was no mention of levelling up. Also, Rishi's plans for welfare have been in place since David Cameron became prime minister and have persecuted those who are in genuine need. Finally, Rishi Sunak was rude and repeatedly spoke over Starmer.
As an independent voter who is not inclined to either of them, none of them are visionary leaders but rishi Sunak has more clarity
The Aliens tagline has never been more appropriate:
"Whoever wins, we lose"
Is politics now a game of ping-pong. We need depth, considered opinion based on evidence - but more importantly a vision of the future and how it might be achieved and how people's lives would be protected and enhanced.
Well said. 1 topic, 1 hour.
I love this bromance 😍
Surely, the stiffness comes from holding the large Ming vase. Sunak is empty handed.
Not sure about that... I think Soontax is carrying a chamber-pot full of Therese Coffeyandcake's turds and urine...
And Starmer is empty headed, with no answer. Does not look good for the UK.
Sunak really was very rude. If he had just listened and responded calmly he would have come across better. He came across well when he answered the questions about Women and brought his Daughters up. The rest of his constant hectoring was irritating.
Look people, if you love your kids, VOTE REFORM!!!
Absolutely, not these two fannies.
I love my kids, but I'd disown them if I found out any of them had vote Reform.
@@annphillips1086 would you ? I’ve got 3 children and I’m a campaigner for Reform and yet I have a child amongst these three that has gone against the grain in our family and is voting for another party…. You sound rather intolerant to me as we have no problem with our son’s decision. Your children will probably never be honest with you about who they are voting for because of your intolerance so it’s probably a risky game that you are playing with your family dynamics.
@@Bedmoments Kind of ironic, that, given that Reform epitomises intolerance. I brought my offspring up to be thoughtful, caring and independent people and obviously as adults they can vote for whomever they choose. I don't own them. But I would be extremely saddened if they were to support the deeply unpleasant (and not even competent) Farage.
@@annphillips1086 you said you would disown them not that you would be saddened…… the left have proven themselves to be entirely intolerant and incredibly entitled and self righteous. You fail to see your own hypocrisy whilst trying to justify your position.
Farage is a brilliant example of how a leader should be in a great country like England and the whole of the UK. He’s a patriot, he is not afraid of standing up for this country and he’s on the side of the people…. He will be in the hot seat in the next election after this one as people will be alarmed at the mess keir is going to make…. Get ready for the hiked up prices on everything and operation Detroit which is the pay per mile system…. Now that will be very interesting 😂
A relation of mine was in the Wilson government, and he said the greatest thing of British politics, Wilson and Heath would have a go at each other in the arena of Parliament and then enjoy your game of chess later together
I think Sunak was very punchy tonight and Starmer looked startled at times. He seemed to freeze!
Punchy is not the word I would have used Tetchy and LIAR come to mind though .....
Starmer seemed more aghast at the sheer effrontery, impertinence and gall of Sunak's lies and misrepresentation of fcats
like a little yappy dog
How many people in the audience asking questions to the leaders are planted by the parties do you think
I think if we're all being honest with ourselves, Sunak won that debate. It is what it is. It wont change the result anyway.
I can’t watch any of the debates. The empty repeated phrases from either side, the made up facts, the ‘stump speeches’ - it’s doing my head in. The honest analysis of these guys - and analysts like them - is what’s keeping me interested in politics. Honest, open debates across the parties it’s what’s needed to restore faith in our system. True democracy.