The 104 is still my favourite watch of all time despite all the watches I owned over the years. It’s a perfect allrounder and looks stunning. I don‘t mind the polishing even if it means it‘ll accumulate scratches over time. On the contrary, it looks great with those battle marks. 😊
I love a countdown bezel. Partly for obvious reasons but I think mainly because it shows the manufacturer has put some thought into it rather than blindly followed whatever's fashionable.
I picked up the new green dial version (I, rather than A) about a month ago. Wearing on MN-style strap. Great looker, light on the wrist, and adds some color variety to my rotation. I have more expensive watches (akin to your Omegas and Tudors), but I find that I am enjoying the Sinn 104 just as much. Go figure…
Ah thats awesome congrats! Green is such an awesome color and the 104 is definitely suited for it. Yeah Sinn tends to have that effect for sure it makes me think about what more I could possibly want in a watch! Having watches of different price points makes the hobby much more fun i think and actually for the past 3 weeks my gshocks have been dominating my wrist and I dont see that run ending anytime soon!😂😂
Oooo that's the one with the fully luminous dial right? I absolutely love that one!! I've been wanting to get a damasko for such a long time especially the DC82. Central chronograph minute hand is just too good. But yeah if you're pairing a 104 with a damasko then the polished case is perfect!!
@@thewatchidiot yes, full lume and I love it. It’s funny because I was also checking out the DC82, but I wanted something totally oposite to the 104 (white dial and mate). I just found your channel, good job, already subscribed!
Lol yeah you definitely got something quite the opposite! How has the case and bezel held up against scratches? Pretty well I'd imagine? And that's so awesome to hear that you're enjoying the content and welcome to the channel!! Lots more to come👍
I have the DA47 and the 104 Matte and love both. DA47 lume is amazing and legibility is the best. My 104 has old world charm and that aluminum bezel and hands reminds me of my 3861 Speedy
Enjoyed your video! I've watched several reviews on this model since I'm considering one with the anthracite dial. It seems to be a hit with most people. You mentioned the "hates" on it adding up which led to passing it on. What were the others hates other than polished case? That's the only mentioned in video. Many loves, just one hate. Appreciate information from collectors who've spent some time with a piece that I'm interested in. I was actually looking at Sinn for the 556 line at first but then I saw this one, focused changed quick. Lol Thank for the review! Take care
I love the polished look of the 104. I think that's a unique characteristic of the watch. I have the green ltd ed with Arabics and stunning dial, the perfect 104 IMHO. I have a U1 which is awesome but I would like the U50.
Yeah the polishing is definitely is very much a 104 thing but the green dial arabic numeral version is an absolute gem! It looks seriously good and actually I think I prefer the arabics as well so if I were to buy a 104 again it would definitely be with the arabics! Yeah I loved my U1 however it just didnt get enough wrist time to justify keeping it bc it was a bit too big and too tooly to be worn in most situations, although I loved it for those reasons exactly lol. The U50 fixes the versatility problem partially so it is definitely tempting me and its on my wishlist for sure! I do hope the UX is eventually released in the U50 size bc that would be ideal for me bc I absolutely love how bizarre the oil filled dial illusion is
This watch is on my list since many years but I never pulled the trigger. Maybe also due to the polished case?! One day I will get this one. As I am German I love the brand and also Nomos is on my list. My first watch around 1.000,- was the Stowa Flieger classic :-) Nice video and it is great that this beauty found a new home not that far away...
I gave my 104 (arabic numeral version) to my father. He never wears it😢. I miss it. Anyway, Sinn does a fully brushed case now too. You should check it out. Day/date also moved to 6 o’clock.
Looool that's an awesome gift to give but fingers crossed he gifts it back to you😂 yeah the 105 is an awesome watch! However it's a bead blasted case which is awesome however not quite as versatile for my taste. I do love the vertical day date at the 6 tho it's super cool and I love that it's never been done like that on any watch as far as I know . And the UTC version is awesome too they're on my wishlist! I have too many sinns on my wishlist😂
I have the 356, love it. I had been looking at the 104 too, but I agree with you on the case. It would be much more proper if it were brushed. The other thing that has kept me from pulling the trigger is the cursive 'Automatic' on the dial. I would much prefer that to be in block letters instead. Those are just preferences, and I have no doubt this is an outstanding watch, its just doesn't do it for me.
Ah yeah like a spring bar to spring bar measurement looool! that's actually a good one bc that can make quite a big difference when it comes to how a watch would wear with a strap!
Been eyeing the 104 for a long time. One of the main things holding me back is that, nearly every close up video I've seen of the 104, makes it seem that it is a 'scratch magnet'. Not sure if that is due to the polished case.
Many thanks for the balanced review of your old friend TWI. I don't think I've actually seen a Sinn in real life as my local AD's do not stock the brand. There is an AD in the midlands where my sister lives so next time I'm over there I'll pop in and take a look. I had to laugh when the new G-Shock square decided an hour had passed, nice one. It's interesting that you use the count down bezel on this one, I tend to use the bezel on my diver watches as a count up. Keep up the great work TWI.
Thanks for watching Anthony! And yeah give Sinn a look next time you get a chance bc they really are awesome and unique. I love their aesthetic and they make some incredible tool watches! I must say their oil filled quartz diver the UX is high up on the list bc of how crazy the dial looks in the oil. It's basically painted on the crystal! It's a weird but awesome illusion and it's got 10,000m wr to boot😂😂 Yeah I loved that gshock moment I forgot I had the hourly chime on and I just love hearing the beeps lol. Yeah it's quite nifty to use the countdown bezel although most of the time I end up using the countdown bezel like a normal dive bezel lol! Thanks for the support Anthony 😁
The accuracy has always been around 3-5 seconds fast per day depending on what I'm doing. Its pretty awesome and every Sinn I've owned performs just about the same so it looks like Sinn does regulate them before they are shipped out!
yeah the sand blasted version looks pretty awesome! However, as much as I like the brutal tool watch look of it I do think that it takes away the versatility of being able to dress it up if need be. Other than maybe some of the blasted Octo finissimos, I dont think sand blasted cases work for dressier outfits. Fingers crossed for a fully brushed version😁
@@thewatchidiot yeah definitely agree with you there. I'm sure there are others who would love to have a brushed version so hopefully Sinn is watching this video! Also the 104 is popular enough to get an extra case finish
Yeah no doubt about it! If they can have a bunch of dial colors then I'm sure they can spare a different case finish. It would be pretty awesome if they at least have it a go on the basic black dial variants of the 104.
I had a few Sinn 104s. I felt like the dial was a bit too boring. Needed a pop of color or something. I had the green dial and it still didn't do it for me. Also the full Polish wasn't my thing. Love the case shape so I ended up with a EZM 2 with the 3H dial. Is the pops of red and the blasted case fit the bill. I also think the hydro technology is pretty bad-ass.
Yeah I think I'm on the same boat as you I would have liked it being brushed to hit the right balance but the ezm models using that case really do look amazing! I like the sand blasted look but for me it does take away a little bit from the versatility which makes me reconsider bc I know I won't be wearing it as much as I'd like. I love the case and pretty much any Sinn with that case is on my wishlist 😂😂
Nice video, mate. I own the 104 and I although I think it's a superb watch, the one issue that keeps me from being super happy is.... the polished case. For that reason currently I'm having a professional brushing the case for me. Should look awesome when it's done. As for other watches that are 'pretty much perfect': the Hamilton Khaki Field automatic. Con: the crystal has no AR coating. So I had the crystal replaced. I like the idea of modding your watch: you can make your favourite watch 'perfect' and it becomes 'one of a kind', like a personal signature.
Great minds think alike then!! But that's awesome that you're going to the next step and getting a pro to get it fully brushed and can I ask how much the brushing will cost? With this sort of option I think the world of watches can open up quite a bit bc brushing a watch can take it to the next level! And like you said it can be a personal signature or a piece unique which will always feel cool looool I used to have a khaki field mechanical and it was awesome but the lack of AR in addition to the slightly domed crystal brought about sooooo many reflections it absolutely drove me crazy! But that's awesome that you got it replaced bc in my mind crystal replacements was always a Seiko/citizen kind of thing but now the options have opened up!
@@thewatchidiot Hiya! The brushing will cost me €175. Vertical brushing of the sides, since horizontal brushing would be difficult and more expensive. Yeah you can mod pretty much any watch these days. I ordered a Hamilton-specific crystal feom Crystal Times (which are no longer available) but I'm pretty sure there are many options (you'll need a 32 mm diam. crystal).
Ah ok that's not a bad price to pay for good work being done by a pro on a watch of that caliber! I think I'll have to give some of my watches a second look now! Yeah the mod world is pretty amazing thankfully I was deep in the Seiko world before getting into modding to give me a head start lol
@@thewatchidiot FYI, the watch ended up looking awesome! A little more subdued, without the 'cheap' or über-tool aesthetic (depending on what you prefer, haha) you get from a bead-blasted case. A worthy investment.
Got my 104 in after moving on from my 556, I totally get what you mean about the brushing. I wish the entirety of the case was satinized just like the 556, but it's something I can live with since this dial is just so perfect. If they come out with a pully brushed/satin one, it'll be hard not to pounce.
Yeah the 104 would have absolutely incredible if it came fully brushed! Given the 104's popularity I'm sure a brushed version would be very well received. But yeah the dial is so perfectly proportioned that it's still all worth it!
Pretty much agree on all points. I am currently enjoying the white dial versio It's the one I always gravitated towards... And, this makes #3 for me.. not going to get into it, but it is sort of explained in my comment on your recent Seamaster video and question about rebuys. It's a keeper for sure this time. The black dial I was going to consider that's about equal in desirability for me would have been the Arabic numerals version.
Thoroughly enjoyed your review. The highly polished steel is one aspect that I like about this watch. For me, I didn't even consider the 104 with the matte finish. As your 104 has been around awhile, I curious as to what type of accuracy your are seeing?
This is exactly what drew me to this watch. Everyone hates the polish for a tool watch I think it adds alot to it, I also decided on the red second hand version gave it a little sporty feel to it. Its still a tool watch... lol
Thank you so much Renee I'm glad you enjoyed the video!! As for the accuracy mine was great while I had it it was always right around 4-5 seconds fast. What's the accuracy like on yours? Yeah I can see how the fully polished case will work for some people like yourself and David here and the same thing goes for the fully sand blasted version. I just wish they had a fully/partially brushed version for those in the middle like me! Given the popularity of the 104 I dont think it's too much to ask for especially if they start off the black dial variants only. Hopefully one day!
@@thewatchidiot When I received it, it was already set to the day and time and was running one second fast over a 3 day period. I let it wind down and gave it a full wind a week later and it was 8 seconds fast. After several days of natural movement it has settled down to one second fast.
Ah did you get yours from Watchbuys? I love it that they set the time and date before sending it out! But wow that's amazing accuracy on your example! Definitely fits the overall character of the watch😁
Best Sinn is the EZM 1 not the EZM 1.1, the EZM 1, if you can find one. It has the last of the Lamania 5100 movements. Mine is in for its 1st service in about 15 years! We made the drive from Leipzig to Frankfurt to visit my wife's Mom and I thought I would go to look at the Sinn watches and have mine EZM 1 checked out. The service only costs 600 Euro, a steal compared to Rolex or for my A. Lange! I couldn't walk out without a watch, so I bought a EZM 2b. I have 2-3 on my radar. You really can't go wrong with a Sinn.
A good next Sinn watch would be the U50, it’s the perfect and I am saving up to add one to my collection. Another cool looking German watch is MUHLE GLASHUTTE WATCH S.A.R. RESCUE-TIMER LUMEN. This watch doesn’t have the German day wheal but it’s made like a tank the ultimate tool watch. My fav is U50, how is the time keeping and service situation with Sinn? As they are not cheap watches and my only hesitation is U50 will be my first Sinn watch and I hope it will live up to my expectations.
Just looked up the Muhle and its a seriously cool watch and I love that the fully lumed dial seems to have a blue glow instead of the usual green glow! Love the case as well Yes I absolutely love the U50!! I used to own the U1 and I loved wearing it however I ended up selling it bc it was just a bit too big and I couldnt wear it as much as I would have liked to. The U50 solves that problem completely so I definitely would love to get one at some point. The time keeping on all the Sinns I've owned in the past have been very good theyve all been about 3-6 seconds fast a day which is awesome! As for service I never had any problems with them while I've owned them but given that they use ETA and Sellita movements it should be quite easy to get them service which is a big plus point. Yeah they are pricey watches but as far as the U50 living up to your expectations goes I really do think you'll emjoy it! My U1 was unlike anything Ive ever owned and it was a tough decision to sell it. The look and feel of the U1 and U50 is just so unique so if you love the ultra tool watch aesthetic then you'll love it!
Are you by chance referring to the matte bead blasted case version? It's a great looking watch but unfortunately the matte finish does make it a bit less versatile. If not could you post a link?!
@@thewatchidiot agree with you on this one, full matte is too much, full polished is too much. There is a reason a lot of watches have a mixed finish. I guess you could get the tops of the polished one brushed by a watch maker..
@Fraser Poole exactly! If I do rebuy the 104 with the Arabic numerals then I do think getting at least the tops brushed would be a good way to go but fingers crossed Sinn just makes a brushed variant soon😂
Thanks man I'm glad you're enjoying the channel!! I checked out the Guinand and it's a pretty awesome watch for sure! Gotta love the German day wheel and it really does look great on that bracelet too. I also happen to love that case shape in general and it's pretty cool that they have a selection of chronograph hand colors to choose from and I think the orange one is the best of them strangely enough!!
The super bummer thing about Sinn watches is that you can't go to an AD and try them on. If I spend over $500 on a watch I sure want to see it with my own eyes.
Yeah it would have been awesome to be able to see what they're like in person and to just browse through the line up especially bc so many Sinns need to be felt in real life to get the full picture. I dont know where you're located but Watchbuys.com, the only North American AD, holds roadshows in a few cities around the US to give people the opportunity to handle all the watches they sell in person. The spots fill up quickly but its a fun event!
That's awesome, and yeah they've still got the U1 at 1000m and then a UX that's an oil filled quartz that's rated to 10,000m! They're still not a household name but they've made some awesome advancements!
No longer under $1500, so now we have discuss as value under 2k unfortunately. The U50 I have closer to 3k... Still great watches but really pushing the value for $.
The closeup on the scratches on the lugs is the reason i dislike polished cases. The Sinn 104 would be so much more versatile in a brushed or bead-blased case.
Yeah fully polish isn't ideal and while the bead blasted version is super super cool however a bit too tool-y for every day use for me. If only they'd make a brushed version!!
@@thewatchidiot Indeed! Maybe that will be the next limited edition version. Once I saw they had the bead blasted matte version, I ordered immediately. I'm on day 3 without taking it off and couldn't be happier.
Yeah limited edition at the very least although it would be awesome if it was regular production model as well😁 oh wow that's awesome that you just got yours in so recently! I don't see you taking it off your wrist for quite a bit longer, I don't think I'd take it off my wrist if I had one!
Had a Sinn 104 but I sold it. It was okay, not great but I didn’t think it was all that. The case reminded me of my first automatic - Chinese and very cheap. I couldn’t really see past the similarity - all polished with no brushed surfaces
i agree. i just got a special edition 104 all matte case and bracelet......waited over a year for it and boy did it dissappoint. all the hype it doesn't even come close in quality to my damasko DA044 or my oris aquis. the bracelet is absolute crap!!
Yeah the short power reserve can definitely be a problem depending on the owner's usage especially if they wear it only during the week and let it rest over the weekend. Thankfully it wasnt too much of a problem for me but yeah its pretty close to being perfect!
@Dillon Quick at that point then it'll be good to go over the weekend but unless it's on a winder during the week, it'll have to be reset every weekend unfortunately
Great watch but Sinn should allow Europe ADs to sell the matte version which is only available in US and North America, plus Australia. Sinn are losing lots of customers. Are you listening Sinn?
Yeah a watch that really ought to be a standard production watch should at least be sold to more markets. Given the popularity of the 104 I don't think having a fully matte version and a fully brushed version of the black dial variants (to start off with) would be too much to ask for! I for one will pretty much buy a fully brushed black Arabic numeral version immediately!
Yes absolutely and I love them for it! Same if I were to rebuy the 104 I think i would go for the arabic numeral variant as well. I love the font of the numerals as well!
The 104 is better with the Arabic numerals. I have one and the watch is about as perfect as it gets. It deserves an In-House movement should Sinn ever produce one. The SW200 does not do the watch justice and I would have preferred a solid case back. It is a Flieger and note The Countdown timer bezel. The anti-reflective coating is excellent. Well engineered. I have also a U1 to complement the 104. Forgive me father I have Sinned as I am a Sinner!
Yes I love the arabic numeral one! If I were to rebuy one it would definitely be the one with the arabic numerals bc i just love the font Sinn used for it. Yeah it would be pretty awesome if it got an in house movement in there given how popular it is however for the time being the sellita will suffice for me. Btw, the arabic numeral version has a matte dial as well right? Yeah unfortunately I sold the U1 last year! I do miss it it really is unlike anything else I've owned although the U50 is looking mighty tempting right now. "forgive me father i have SInned as I am a Sinner" is the perfect line 😂😂
Oh dear god, for some reason I always thought it was matte which isn't ideal for me. Gloss is just perfect so that paired with the arabic numerals is just too good. I absolutely loved the gloss black dial on my 556 I nicknamed it "the black hole" (now I kinda wish you said matte 😂😂😂)
Quite a number of the Meister collection by Junghans have a german day within the dial. They're a bit retro and minimalist in their design and are more of a dress watch look than what the rest of your collection looks like. ETA 2824 inside, so a solid timekeeper, like the Sinn. Here's one with an english calendar; th-cam.com/video/WSMLGF9K4xg/w-d-xo.html
loooool yeah its such an awesome watch but it makes sense for me not to have one unfortunately. BUT if they release a fully brushed version and maybe a gloss black dial then i think it's going to find its way into the collection quickly lol
Please reconsider renaming yourself. You're not an idiot and you shouldn't refer to yourself as that. It's bad energy. Much love from a fellow enthusiast.
@@6re881 I am a Sinn fan but brands like Christopher Ward make it hard to spend the cash on a new 104 with Sinn. I may pick up a used 104 if the right deal comes along.
There is a lot more to manufacturing a watch than the movement and bezel insert. This is anti magnetic, 20bar, wearable size, great design, perfect alignment and fantastic bezel action, made in Germany, great brand, regulated so forth
I like Sinn but not as a German watch. I believe German watches are half way German when they use generic Swiss movements. A perfect German watch should not only have the day in German but a German made engine makes the complete German watch like Damasko, Wempe, Glsshutte Original, A. Lange & Sohne. So even though Sinn makes good watches but to me they are not 100% pure German!!!!
Lol other than damasko all the other German brands you listed are way more expensive!! It would be cool if Sinn made their own movement for sure bc I'm sure they'd make a pretty awesome one! I think they've reached a stage where they can try and make one. However, I think not considering them to be very German is selling them a little short bc in the end if there was a solid case back hardly anyone would be able to tell the difference between an in house movement and a sellita on a daily basis. I'd much rather them concentrate on making even more brand new proprietary technology for their watches!
@@thewatchidiot I think absolutely the same. German go all in for best engineered watch mostly tool ones not luxury. Going for a swiss made mouvement is just the most efficient way to go for the price point. Easier to enjoy the case machining and style.
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have you ever owned a watch that is pretty much perfect for you BUT for some reason it didn't quite click?
Black bay 58 for me
Ah gotcha, what exactly didn't click with you? Same thing is happening with my blue bay 58 I love it but it just isn't wowing me
No…still own the 104 and wear it regularly.
Rolex explorer 39 mm MK2. Not very fan of the black dials but I made an exception for this one. As time passes by I somehow regret it.
This happens to me often. It’s incredible with the massive choice of watches available, the perfect watch for me remains elusive.
The 104 is still my favourite watch of all time despite all the watches I owned over the years. It’s a perfect allrounder and looks stunning. I don‘t mind the polishing even if it means it‘ll accumulate scratches over time. On the contrary, it looks great with those battle marks. 😊
I bought a Sinn 104, black dial, Arabic numerals, H link bracelet a few months ago and love it. It’s a great, versatile watch.
Just FYI Sinn now has a matte finish 104. I have one with the white dial and I love it. It's my daily wear.
I love a countdown bezel. Partly for obvious reasons but I think mainly because it shows the manufacturer has put some thought into it rather than blindly followed whatever's fashionable.
I love the 104. i have reduced my collection from a lot to „only“ 6 watches, the 104 stayed and will stay…
This watch looks amazing without the numerals.
Yeah it really does it goes so nicely with the overall simple and toolish aesthetic! And thankfully it makes for some awesome lume as well!
I picked up the new green dial version (I, rather than A) about a month ago. Wearing on MN-style strap. Great looker, light on the wrist, and adds some color variety to my rotation. I have more expensive watches (akin to your Omegas and Tudors), but I find that I am enjoying the Sinn 104 just as much. Go figure…
Ah thats awesome congrats! Green is such an awesome color and the 104 is definitely suited for it. Yeah Sinn tends to have that effect for sure it makes me think about what more I could possibly want in a watch! Having watches of different price points makes the hobby much more fun i think and actually for the past 3 weeks my gshocks have been dominating my wrist and I dont see that run ending anytime soon!😂😂
Love my Sinn 104. Four years and going strong.
I already have a Damasko DA47 with that “mate” look, I want to get the 104 because of the polish look. I think would be a great combo.
Oooo that's the one with the fully luminous dial right? I absolutely love that one!! I've been wanting to get a damasko for such a long time especially the DC82. Central chronograph minute hand is just too good.
But yeah if you're pairing a 104 with a damasko then the polished case is perfect!!
@@thewatchidiot yes, full lume and I love it. It’s funny because I was also checking out the DC82, but I wanted something totally oposite to the 104 (white dial and mate). I just found your channel, good job, already subscribed!
Lol yeah you definitely got something quite the opposite! How has the case and bezel held up against scratches? Pretty well I'd imagine?
And that's so awesome to hear that you're enjoying the content and welcome to the channel!! Lots more to come👍
Very interesting comment 👌
I have the DA47 and the 104 Matte and love both. DA47 lume is amazing and legibility is the best. My 104 has old world charm and that aluminum bezel and hands reminds me of my 3861 Speedy
Enjoyed your video! I've watched several reviews on this model since I'm considering one with the anthracite dial. It seems to be a hit with most people. You mentioned the "hates" on it adding up which led to passing it on. What were the others hates other than polished case? That's the only mentioned in video. Many loves, just one hate. Appreciate information from collectors who've spent some time with a piece that I'm interested in.
I was actually looking at Sinn for the 556 line at first but then I saw this one, focused changed quick. Lol
Thank for the review! Take care
Sinn 104 in white is superb
Yeah that version is pretty awesome! I like that they've tried out different dial variations but I'm just hoping they'll try brushing the case😬
I love the polished look of the 104. I think that's a unique characteristic of the watch. I have the green ltd ed with Arabics and stunning dial, the perfect 104 IMHO. I have a U1 which is awesome but I would like the U50.
Yeah the polishing is definitely is very much a 104 thing but the green dial arabic numeral version is an absolute gem! It looks seriously good and actually I think I prefer the arabics as well so if I were to buy a 104 again it would definitely be with the arabics!
Yeah I loved my U1 however it just didnt get enough wrist time to justify keeping it bc it was a bit too big and too tooly to be worn in most situations, although I loved it for those reasons exactly lol. The U50 fixes the versatility problem partially so it is definitely tempting me and its on my wishlist for sure! I do hope the UX is eventually released in the U50 size bc that would be ideal for me bc I absolutely love how bizarre the oil filled dial illusion is
This watch is on my list since many years but I never pulled the trigger. Maybe also due to the polished case?! One day I will get this one. As I am German I love the brand and also Nomos is on my list. My first watch around 1.000,- was the Stowa Flieger classic :-)
Nice video and it is great that this beauty found a new home not that far away...
the 104 is really beautiful watch!
I gave my 104 (arabic numeral version) to my father. He never wears it😢. I miss it. Anyway, Sinn does a fully brushed case now too. You should check it out. Day/date also moved to 6 o’clock.
Looool that's an awesome gift to give but fingers crossed he gifts it back to you😂 yeah the 105 is an awesome watch! However it's a bead blasted case which is awesome however not quite as versatile for my taste. I do love the vertical day date at the 6 tho it's super cool and I love that it's never been done like that on any watch as far as I know . And the UTC version is awesome too they're on my wishlist! I have too many sinns on my wishlist😂
I have the 356, love it. I had been looking at the 104 too, but I agree with you on the case. It would be much more proper if it were brushed. The other thing that has kept me from pulling the trigger is the cursive 'Automatic' on the dial. I would much prefer that to be in block letters instead. Those are just preferences, and I have no doubt this is an outstanding watch, its just doesn't do it for me.
Love that the man goes all out on the measurements!
Loool thanks!! Time to find even more dimensions to put in!😂😂
@@thewatchidiot you can do outer edge of lug to outer edge of lug in line with the lug holes lol
@@thewatchidiot LOL!
Ah yeah like a spring bar to spring bar measurement looool! that's actually a good one bc that can make quite a big difference when it comes to how a watch would wear with a strap!
@@thewatchidiot yea exactly
Been eyeing the 104 for a long time. One of the main things holding me back is that, nearly every close up video I've seen of the 104, makes it seem that it is a 'scratch magnet'. Not sure if that is due to the polished case.
Thanks for the great review. Maybe you'll find a watch in Guinand's line up. Those are real Sinn watches, too.
Many thanks for the balanced review of your old friend TWI. I don't think I've actually seen a Sinn in real life as my local AD's do not stock the brand. There is an AD in the midlands where my sister lives so next time I'm over there I'll pop in and take a look. I had to laugh when the new G-Shock square decided an hour had passed, nice one. It's interesting that you use the count down bezel on this one, I tend to use the bezel on my diver watches as a count up. Keep up the great work TWI.
Thanks for watching Anthony! And yeah give Sinn a look next time you get a chance bc they really are awesome and unique. I love their aesthetic and they make some incredible tool watches! I must say their oil filled quartz diver the UX is high up on the list bc of how crazy the dial looks in the oil. It's basically painted on the crystal! It's a weird but awesome illusion and it's got 10,000m wr to boot😂😂
Yeah I loved that gshock moment I forgot I had the hourly chime on and I just love hearing the beeps lol. Yeah it's quite nifty to use the countdown bezel although most of the time I end up using the countdown bezel like a normal dive bezel lol! Thanks for the support Anthony 😁
Laco has German Date wheel… great flieger watches…. Especially the Laco Kiel 2, beautiful chronograph with German date
How is the accuracy of that movement ? Thx
The accuracy has always been around 3-5 seconds fast per day depending on what I'm doing. Its pretty awesome and every Sinn I've owned performs just about the same so it looks like Sinn does regulate them before they are shipped out!
I agree. This would be the perfect watch if it was fully brushed instead of polished.
Yeah would have been much better if it wasn't fully polished but have you seen the sand blasted special edition on the 104?
yeah the sand blasted version looks pretty awesome! However, as much as I like the brutal tool watch look of it I do think that it takes away the versatility of being able to dress it up if need be. Other than maybe some of the blasted Octo finissimos, I dont think sand blasted cases work for dressier outfits. Fingers crossed for a fully brushed version😁
@@thewatchidiot yeah definitely agree with you there. I'm sure there are others who would love to have a brushed version so hopefully Sinn is watching this video! Also the 104 is popular enough to get an extra case finish
Yeah no doubt about it! If they can have a bunch of dial colors then I'm sure they can spare a different case finish. It would be pretty awesome if they at least have it a go on the basic black dial variants of the 104.
I had a few Sinn 104s. I felt like the dial was a bit too boring. Needed a pop of color or something. I had the green dial and it still didn't do it for me. Also the full Polish wasn't my thing. Love the case shape so I ended up with a EZM 2 with the 3H dial. Is the pops of red and the blasted case fit the bill. I also think the hydro technology is pretty bad-ass.
Yeah I think I'm on the same boat as you I would have liked it being brushed to hit the right balance but the ezm models using that case really do look amazing! I like the sand blasted look but for me it does take away a little bit from the versatility which makes me reconsider bc I know I won't be wearing it as much as I'd like. I love the case and pretty much any Sinn with that case is on my wishlist 😂😂
You could just introduce a brushed finish on your Sinn, it is very easily done.
Nice video, mate. I own the 104 and I although I think it's a superb watch, the one issue that keeps me from being super happy is.... the polished case. For that reason currently I'm having a professional brushing the case for me. Should look awesome when it's done. As for other watches that are 'pretty much perfect': the Hamilton Khaki Field automatic. Con: the crystal has no AR coating. So I had the crystal replaced.
I like the idea of modding your watch: you can make your favourite watch 'perfect' and it becomes 'one of a kind', like a personal signature.
Great minds think alike then!! But that's awesome that you're going to the next step and getting a pro to get it fully brushed and can I ask how much the brushing will cost?
With this sort of option I think the world of watches can open up quite a bit bc brushing a watch can take it to the next level! And like you said it can be a personal signature or a piece unique which will always feel cool looool
I used to have a khaki field mechanical and it was awesome but the lack of AR in addition to the slightly domed crystal brought about sooooo many reflections it absolutely drove me crazy! But that's awesome that you got it replaced bc in my mind crystal replacements was always a Seiko/citizen kind of thing but now the options have opened up!
@@thewatchidiot Hiya! The brushing will cost me €175. Vertical brushing of the sides, since horizontal brushing would be difficult and more expensive.
Yeah you can mod pretty much any watch these days. I ordered a Hamilton-specific crystal feom Crystal Times (which are no longer available) but I'm pretty sure there are many options (you'll need a 32 mm diam. crystal).
Ah ok that's not a bad price to pay for good work being done by a pro on a watch of that caliber! I think I'll have to give some of my watches a second look now!
Yeah the mod world is pretty amazing thankfully I was deep in the Seiko world before getting into modding to give me a head start lol
@@thewatchidiot FYI, the watch ended up looking awesome! A little more subdued, without the 'cheap' or über-tool aesthetic (depending on what you prefer, haha) you get from a bead-blasted case. A worthy investment.
Got my 104 in after moving on from my 556, I totally get what you mean about the brushing. I wish the entirety of the case was satinized just like the 556, but it's something I can live with since this dial is just so perfect. If they come out with a pully brushed/satin one, it'll be hard not to pounce.
Yeah the 104 would have absolutely incredible if it came fully brushed! Given the 104's popularity I'm sure a brushed version would be very well received. But yeah the dial is so perfectly proportioned that it's still all worth it!
Pretty much agree on all points. I am currently enjoying the white dial versio It's the one I always gravitated towards... And, this makes #3 for me.. not going to get into it, but it is sort of explained in my comment on your recent Seamaster video and question about rebuys.
It's a keeper for sure this time.
The black dial I was going to consider that's about equal in desirability for me would have been the Arabic numerals version.
Thoroughly enjoyed your review. The highly polished steel is one aspect that I like about this watch. For me, I didn't even consider the 104 with the matte finish. As your 104 has been around awhile, I curious as to what type of accuracy your are seeing?
This is exactly what drew me to this watch. Everyone hates the polish for a tool watch I think it adds alot to it, I also decided on the red second hand version gave it a little sporty feel to it. Its still a tool watch... lol
Thank you so much Renee I'm glad you enjoyed the video!! As for the accuracy mine was great while I had it it was always right around 4-5 seconds fast. What's the accuracy like on yours?
Yeah I can see how the fully polished case will work for some people like yourself and David here and the same thing goes for the fully sand blasted version. I just wish they had a fully/partially brushed version for those in the middle like me! Given the popularity of the 104 I dont think it's too much to ask for especially if they start off the black dial variants only. Hopefully one day!
@@thewatchidiot When I received it, it was already set to the day and time and was running one second fast over a 3 day period. I let it wind down and gave it a full wind a week later and it was 8 seconds fast. After several days of natural movement it has settled down to one second fast.
Ah did you get yours from Watchbuys? I love it that they set the time and date before sending it out! But wow that's amazing accuracy on your example! Definitely fits the overall character of the watch😁
At the below $2,000 price point, I wonder if it's better to just wear the watch for 10 years or until it stops working, and then get it serviced?
You can find plenty Seiko 5s with German day wheel
Best Sinn is the EZM 1 not the EZM 1.1, the EZM 1, if you can find one. It has the last of the Lamania 5100 movements. Mine is in for its 1st service in about 15 years! We made the drive from Leipzig to Frankfurt to visit my wife's Mom and I thought I would go to look at the Sinn watches and have mine EZM 1 checked out. The service only costs 600 Euro, a steal compared to Rolex or for my A. Lange! I couldn't walk out without a watch, so I bought a EZM 2b. I have 2-3 on my radar. You really can't go wrong with a Sinn.
Watches with the german datewheel, would most likely be those that stem from there like Nomos, Glashutte and ofc Lange.
Yep, the polished case is the only thing which stopped me ever pulling the trigger 😮💨
Love everything else but it’s a solid 9/10🫡
Go for the EZM 3. Same case, fully brushed and 1.000 Gauss antimagnetic;))
Thought the EZM 3 was bead blasted?
A good next Sinn watch would be the U50, it’s the perfect and I am saving up to add one to my collection. Another cool looking German watch is MUHLE GLASHUTTE WATCH S.A.R. RESCUE-TIMER LUMEN. This watch doesn’t have the German day wheal but it’s made like a tank the ultimate tool watch. My fav is U50, how is the time keeping and service situation with Sinn? As they are not cheap watches and my only hesitation is U50 will be my first Sinn watch and I hope it will live up to my expectations.
Just looked up the Muhle and its a seriously cool watch and I love that the fully lumed dial seems to have a blue glow instead of the usual green glow! Love the case as well
Yes I absolutely love the U50!! I used to own the U1 and I loved wearing it however I ended up selling it bc it was just a bit too big and I couldnt wear it as much as I would have liked to. The U50 solves that problem completely so I definitely would love to get one at some point. The time keeping on all the Sinns I've owned in the past have been very good theyve all been about 3-6 seconds fast a day which is awesome! As for service I never had any problems with them while I've owned them but given that they use ETA and Sellita movements it should be quite easy to get them service which is a big plus point.
Yeah they are pricey watches but as far as the U50 living up to your expectations goes I really do think you'll emjoy it! My U1 was unlike anything Ive ever owned and it was a tough decision to sell it. The look and feel of the U1 and U50 is just so unique so if you love the ultra tool watch aesthetic then you'll love it!
You can get the 104 in a completely brushed finish. It cost a little bit more but it's out there.
Are you by chance referring to the matte bead blasted case version? It's a great looking watch but unfortunately the matte finish does make it a bit less versatile. If not could you post a link?!
@@thewatchidiot agree with you on this one, full matte is too much, full polished is too much. There is a reason a lot of watches have a mixed finish. I guess you could get the tops of the polished one brushed by a watch maker..
@Fraser Poole exactly! If I do rebuy the 104 with the Arabic numerals then I do think getting at least the tops brushed would be a good way to go but fingers crossed Sinn just makes a brushed variant soon😂
Isn’t there a special edition brushed Sinn 104?
Just found your channel, great stuff. Check out the Guinand Series 60. 70's driver Chrono PLUS the German Date. Looks great on their 5 link bracelet.
Thanks man I'm glad you're enjoying the channel!! I checked out the Guinand and it's a pretty awesome watch for sure! Gotta love the German day wheel and it really does look great on that bracelet too.
I also happen to love that case shape in general and it's pretty cool that they have a selection of chronograph hand colors to choose from and I think the orange one is the best of them strangely enough!!
thanks
The super bummer thing about Sinn watches is that you can't go to an AD and try them on. If I spend over $500 on a watch I sure want to see it with my own eyes.
Yeah it would have been awesome to be able to see what they're like in person and to just browse through the line up especially bc so many Sinns need to be felt in real life to get the full picture. I dont know where you're located but Watchbuys.com, the only North American AD, holds roadshows in a few cities around the US to give people the opportunity to handle all the watches they sell in person. The spots fill up quickly but its a fun event!
@@thewatchidiot Oh sweet I didn't know. I am in Southern CA. Thanks
Yeah as far as I remember they went out to LA so definitely worth going to it!
Would love a brushed version
I remember this brand when I first saw it 16 years ago ... they used to have a deep dive model ! Too bad the brand didn't pick up ..
That's awesome, and yeah they've still got the U1 at 1000m and then a UX that's an oil filled quartz that's rated to 10,000m! They're still not a household name but they've made some awesome advancements!
I'm pleased the brand is where it's at. When someone recognises my 104 or U1 I know they are a watch guy. It's a brand for tool watch insiders.
Currently thinking about swapping my mühle terrasport 2 for a sinn 104, but i am not sure yet
That muhle is a good looking watch! Quite different in terms of look but it's could be a nice change! Which way are you leaning?
I assume that you are aware of the fact that the Sinn 104 with black dial is available in a fully matte finish?
No longer under $1500, so now we have discuss as value under 2k unfortunately. The U50 I have closer to 3k... Still great watches but really pushing the value for $.
The closeup on the scratches on the lugs is the reason i dislike polished cases. The Sinn 104 would be so much more versatile in a brushed or bead-blased case.
There’s one bead blasted available, matter of fact!
Yeah fully polish isn't ideal and while the bead blasted version is super super cool however a bit too tool-y for every day use for me. If only they'd make a brushed version!!
@@thewatchidiot Indeed! Maybe that will be the next limited edition version. Once I saw they had the bead blasted matte version, I ordered immediately. I'm on day 3 without taking it off and couldn't be happier.
Yeah limited edition at the very least although it would be awesome if it was regular production model as well😁 oh wow that's awesome that you just got yours in so recently! I don't see you taking it off your wrist for quite a bit longer, I don't think I'd take it off my wrist if I had one!
Had a Sinn 104 but I sold it. It was okay, not great but I didn’t think it was all that. The case reminded me of my first automatic - Chinese and very cheap. I couldn’t really see past the similarity - all polished with no brushed surfaces
i agree. i just got a special edition 104 all matte case and bracelet......waited over a year for it and boy did it dissappoint. all the hype it doesn't even come close in quality to my damasko DA044 or my oris aquis. the bracelet is absolute crap!!
The short power reserve is also significant negative.
Otherwise, a close to perfect watch
Yeah the short power reserve can definitely be a problem depending on the owner's usage especially if they wear it only during the week and let it rest over the weekend. Thankfully it wasnt too much of a problem for me but yeah its pretty close to being perfect!
@@thewatchidiot what if you only wear it on the weekends?
@Dillon Quick at that point then it'll be good to go over the weekend but unless it's on a winder during the week, it'll have to be reset every weekend unfortunately
Great watch but Sinn should allow Europe ADs to sell the matte version which is only available in US and North America, plus Australia. Sinn are losing lots of customers. Are you listening Sinn?
Yeah a watch that really ought to be a standard production watch should at least be sold to more markets. Given the popularity of the 104 I don't think having a fully matte version and a fully brushed version of the black dial variants (to start off with) would be too much to ask for! I for one will pretty much buy a fully brushed black Arabic numeral version immediately!
Check the new 105. Fixes as the 104's annoyances.
Great watch. Sinns really are overengineered. I think I might go for the Arabics just to be ultra- tool-oriented in aesthetic.
Yes absolutely and I love them for it! Same if I were to rebuy the 104 I think i would go for the arabic numeral variant as well. I love the font of the numerals as well!
Sinn, improve the clasp, add ceramic bezel, and put a chronometer movement with 50+ power reserve in the 104 and you can have $3,000 of mine.
all that would definitely make for an incredible 3k watch! for the time being I'll settle for just a brushed version lol!
Check Guinand, Laco, archimede...
The 104 is better with the Arabic numerals. I have one and the watch is about as perfect as it gets. It deserves an In-House movement should Sinn ever produce one. The SW200 does not do the watch justice and I would have preferred a solid case back. It is a Flieger and note The Countdown timer bezel. The anti-reflective coating is excellent. Well engineered. I have also a U1 to complement the 104. Forgive me father I have Sinned as I am a Sinner!
Yes I love the arabic numeral one! If I were to rebuy one it would definitely be the one with the arabic numerals bc i just love the font Sinn used for it. Yeah it would be pretty awesome if it got an in house movement in there given how popular it is however for the time being the sellita will suffice for me. Btw, the arabic numeral version has a matte dial as well right?
Yeah unfortunately I sold the U1 last year! I do miss it it really is unlike anything else I've owned although the U50 is looking mighty tempting right now. "forgive me father i have SInned as I am a Sinner" is the perfect line 😂😂
@@thewatchidiot It has a gloss finish dial.
Oh dear god, for some reason I always thought it was matte which isn't ideal for me. Gloss is just perfect so that paired with the arabic numerals is just too good. I absolutely loved the gloss black dial on my 556 I nicknamed it "the black hole" (now I kinda wish you said matte 😂😂😂)
Sellita is the best option for this price point imo. Way easier and cheaper to service. Known reliability.
Quite a number of the Meister collection by Junghans have a german day within the dial. They're a bit retro and minimalist in their design and are more of a dress watch look than what the rest of your collection looks like. ETA 2824 inside, so a solid timekeeper, like the Sinn.
Here's one with an english calendar; th-cam.com/video/WSMLGF9K4xg/w-d-xo.html
The intro sounds like you have not let go…
loooool yeah its such an awesome watch but it makes sense for me not to have one unfortunately. BUT if they release a fully brushed version and maybe a gloss black dial then i think it's going to find its way into the collection quickly lol
Brushed case is easily achieved with a Scotch Brite pad
yeah that'll work for sure but getting a perfectly consistent finish is the tricky part!
Please reconsider renaming yourself. You're not an idiot and you shouldn't refer to yourself as that. It's bad energy. Much love from a fellow enthusiast.
They are $ 1890.00 now and the exact same watch with zero improvements. They are no longer the bargain
But they are still cheaper than the swiss competition. Sinn is no longer and underdog brand.
@@6re881 I am a Sinn fan but brands like Christopher Ward make it hard to spend the cash on a new 104 with Sinn. I may pick up a used 104 if the right deal comes along.
Sellita and bisel no cerámic. More argumentsssss?????
There is a lot more to manufacturing a watch than the movement and bezel insert. This is anti magnetic, 20bar, wearable size, great design, perfect alignment and fantastic bezel action, made in Germany, great brand, regulated so forth
I like Sinn but not as a German watch. I believe German watches are half way German when they use generic Swiss movements. A perfect German watch should not only have the day in German but a German made engine makes the complete German watch like Damasko, Wempe, Glsshutte Original, A. Lange & Sohne. So even though Sinn makes good watches but to me they are not 100% pure German!!!!
Lol other than damasko all the other German brands you listed are way more expensive!! It would be cool if Sinn made their own movement for sure bc I'm sure they'd make a pretty awesome one! I think they've reached a stage where they can try and make one.
However, I think not considering them to be very German is selling them a little short bc in the end if there was a solid case back hardly anyone would be able to tell the difference between an in house movement and a sellita on a daily basis. I'd much rather them concentrate on making even more brand new proprietary technology for their watches!
@@thewatchidiot I think absolutely the same. German go all in for best engineered watch mostly tool ones not luxury. Going for a swiss made mouvement is just the most efficient way to go for the price point. Easier to enjoy the case machining and style.
Matte case is better. Hate the polish