RIP Adobe Flash Player (a Retrospective) - Krazy Ken's Tech Talk
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- Today, we say goodbye to Adobe Flash Player. Check out more cool links and info below. 👇
Flash revolutionized the Internet and pop culture, but it faced some struggles near the end. Today, we'll celebrate the history, explore the technology, and yes… we'll dissect Steve Jobs' "Thoughts on Flash" open letter. Get ready for a mega-nostalgic trip!
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I hope you enjoy the final Krazy Ken episode for 2020! I have a new thank-you's and notes quick:
First off, Michael MJD made a demo about Flashpoint which lets you play Flash games-even after the support ends! Go ahead and check that out! th-cam.com/video/yyw5qT3XbhM/w-d-xo.html
Second, thanks to Sage for helping out with this episode! Check out his tech / gaming channel here. th-cam.com/channels/1YdCbwdttqgFo4mo9kj3Ug.html
Third, I recently launched my first-ever podcast, called No Cameras Allowed, and it's on multiple platforms. Feel free to subscribe, listen, and enjoy! It's been really fun to make. anchor.fm/computerclan
And big thanks to Internet Archive and BlueMaxima's Flashpoint for making this episode possible!
Enjoy, everyone! : )
@Computer Clan, All of us will miss flash player so as we live on, we will remember Adobe flash in our hearts. we must move on, goodbye adobe, macromedia and everyone(EXCEPT STEVE JOBS) for making us some good memories. we will miss you, :((((((
The end of an "Internet Era"... I recall my college days where the instructor said this "Flash is a terrible all be it entertaining programing platform, I will not be teaching You(MY Class) how to make webgames or websites. There are infinitely more capable programing languages that You(My Class) will learn to utilize." Paul Jones 2008... He was right at the time JAVA was taking off as a programing environment and the C, C++ and C# languages were vastly infinitely more capable and relatable...
I’m an Aussie so it came out in 2021!
i was born in 2007
Im currently downloading flashpoint infinity 9.0
"We didn't realize we were making memories, we just knew we were having fun."
-Winnie The Pooh
Everybody forgot about when Microsoft tried to compete with Adobe Flash
It was called Microsoft Silverlight
I was thinking of doing an episode on that, actually. Hmm…
Oh god I forgot about that
@@ComputerClan I’d love to see that
@@ComputerClan wow i never even heard of it
I remember Netflix needing it for drm
I'm happy to see that flashpoint has almost all the obscure games I used to play on the laptop.
Yeah, I was honestly surprised that they had all the more obscure ones I liked, I archived many of them myself before I even _discovered_ Flashpoint!
Same, I was already using it to play some 2012 flash and Unity games that got taken down. I wasn't expecting any of them to be there.
@@doctahjonez they had a whole lot of spongebob and sonic flash games I use to play which surprised since I played most of them on some sketchy websites back 10 or 9 years by now.
@@Tamago-xe4eb Yeah I'd never expect them to have more obscure games like that. I'm glad the community archiving the games for flashpoint is that active
@Raguraam S same please say the name if you found it
It shall live on in Flashpoint, a great piece of internet history.
I believe you meant live on... Maybe click edit? (EDITED)
How about the way back machine
@asdrubale bisanzio good point
But will Flashpoint be shut down if Flash content starts to get blocked on Jan. 12?
@Yoriichi Tsugikuni The updates removing flash didn't fully distribute yet. So yes they can occationally still work but that won't be long.
The final challenge of 2020, saying goodbye to flash
@leonstm bruh for some reason flash works for me still
don't worry you can play flash games and watch flash animations by using flashpoint
👇FLASHPOINT👇
bluemaxima.org/flashpoint/downloads/
Unless you have any understanding of cybersecurity and the disaster that flash was
@@lojainalbher6734 There is also a way to get flash working in browser if you're into that sort of thing.
@@alfredolara8 because you didn’t update even if it’s recommended, DONT. If you want to play games on Chorme/Edge, and don’t update!
Flash Adobe player was the only one to play games during school
Thankyou Flash. You were a big part of my teen years! The 2000’s wouldn’t of been the same without Flash.
*wouldn't have
The 2000’s were my childhood years, I have many memories of flash games like riddle school, super mario flash, poptropica, and lots of games on cartoon network, disney, nick, newgrounds, and so much more. Just way too many to mention, but flash games and videos were a huge chunk of my childhood in the 2000’s.
*wouldn’t have
Your comment was edited and you didn’t even corrected this in your editing.
“Don’t cry because it’s over. Smile because it happened.” - Dr. Seuss.
It's just sad
F in the chat for my childhood on coolmath games
@@letsmakegames947 F for the F of flash the most iconic F
I've seen this comment on literally any mc soundtrack
I shall continue to smile
As someone who used Flash on Android a couple of times I have to fully agree with Steve Jobs. Flash on mobile touchscreen devices was crap, especially considering how slow those CPUs were at the time
Rest in peace, Flash Player! 1996 - 2020
Truly a dark day in computer/gaming history thank you for the memories flash my childhood would missing something if not for the games and animations
He was so young :( he was gonna be 27 this year
R.I.P ADOBE FLASH PLAYER.
Let's celebrate this short life it has been a great run boys other and see you on the other side the drip finally stops Memento Mori
Flash x Unus Annus?
@@typodoeseverything momento mori
It was a good run. I remember playing on flash games a lot when I was little. Heck you couldn’t play anything with out flash then.
@@anas100x I'm assuming you never watched Unus Annus. If so, you missed out on a lifetime of laughs.
@@typodoeseverything x Bojack Horseman
I know you covered TH-cam, but it really was amazing how ubiquitous flash video was. It was frustrating being and early iPhone user and not being able to access a lot of video. I also remember downloading .flv files back in the day to save web videos. Maybe you should cover real player next.
Does anyone remember the TH-cam Player used to use Adobe Flash until 2015...
Flash based video players worked well on computers with not much speed. Resource light and efficient. TH-cam was stupid to drop it. At least some pron video sites still use flash video players.
@@theannoyedmrfloyd3998 Nope. HTML5 runs perfectly fine on low end machines. There wasn't any significant performance boost in flash; more often then not the exact opposite was the case.
As far as Porn Sites go... Not really, no. They basically all switched to HTML5. When I got my first Smartpone in 2013 or 2014 I think, many Pornsites (not "regular" Websites, most have switched at that point), quite a lot Sites didn't really work on Phones, because of the lack of HTML5 and/or non mobile optimized sites. And especially since ever more users consumed porn on their mobile devices, they were forced to implement HTML5 players.
And if loosing tons of your customers wouldn't be bad enough, Adobe didn't exactly kept it a Secret they would stop Flash in 2021. We all knew, Porn sites knew as well. So if a handfull of Pages didn't update by then, a Porn Website without a working Player will propably not make you any money, just saying.
After all.... it's a good thing Flash finally dies. It SUCKS. Great back then, but times changed. The only thing that was truly fantastic with flash were the great Flashgames. Tons of fun, playing that things in school. At least, there is now flashpoint to preserve those games.
@@theannoyedmrfloyd3998
flash always used more resources, when I had a low end of it always slowed down and had problems with flash content
@@sagichdirdochnicht4653
exactly, your comment is on point
@@theannoyedmrfloyd3998 you talking about 50 dollar pc's? Stop complaining
I still remember making my first point and click escape room game on Flash and publishing it on Newgrounds.
I learned how to draw basic vector art from tutorials on Newgrounds, and referenced actionscript books on learning to 'code'.
It was such an innocent time...
When Flash started dying off and it became widely known that it was prone to security issues I started using Flash Standalone player to play Flash Flash Revolution and the occasional flash animation. It was more stable too, ran better at high framerates.
I have mixed emotions. 1) I've been preparing an End of Flash video for a month and now I'm going to kill it because this was so good. 2) I've always liked your stuff, you're very funny, so I hate you. 3) Our first foray into games was using Director and Flash so it's very nostalgic for me. I might just focus on that part and link your video for the other stuff I'm tossing. 4) Jobs actually gave Adobe a chance to get Flash working on the iPhone but they missed all their deadlines for creating a compact, bug-free player. It was after that, that Steve wrote the letter. 5) Not that it is relevant to your video, but Adobe also got Cold Fusion out of the Macromedia deal and as CF was our major dev platform that was important to us. Once again, fantastic job. Great channel. I hate you.
I downloaded the SWF for flash games I used to play, so I can still play them. Sadly some of them, such as the Animator vs Animation game, just says the game was stolen, so I'm unable to play some games.
RIP Flash player I had so much memories with you *crying*
I’m crying rn
*cri
I remember updating it almost all the time lol
This is sad. I remember a lot in 2011 I used to get those out of date flash pop ups on Internet Explorer
strange that many people still created Flash projects even as Adobe announced its end of life. I am sure there'll still be people developing games and animations, only now it'll be a niche piece of technology.
I mean, I got VMs set up to allow me to make 90s and 2000s websites just for my own fun, so I've got Flash (and Director, or at least, what I could find of it and Shockwave) installed on there so I can build vintage websites and browser games, pre HTML5... Yeah, this is what I do when I'm bored, lul.
That's not true Flash i.e Adobe Animate is currently the standard for tv animation, it's head to head with Toonboom in market share. The authoring tool and the SWF format will continue being developed by Adobe, the deprecation of the browser plug-in has no bearing in non-interactive media like shorts, movies and tv shows. On the programing side of things, It's still used in apps/games for mobile devices thanks to the AIR SDK which lets you develop and deploy for multiple platforms like iOS Android and PC without depending on the flash player, also it's still essential in web marketing for HTML5 content like web banners, the only real competition it has in that arena is Google Web Designer.
I generally don't care about half of what is presented, but Ken makes anything worth watching. Bravo to you, Ken, for making me want to be involved and learn. You are good at presenting (anything!)
I enjoyed this episode of the Computer Clan!
Adobe 🧱 Flash Player changed my life, even if pen 🖊 computing never took off.
🦊💻🦊
dude I love adobe flash player I used to play so many web browser games im so sad its going to be dead R.I.P flash player 1996-2021
Don’t worry, HTML 5 has its built-in flash player, and it is much more futuristic than Adobe’s Flash Player. HTML 6 is coming soon with an even better flash player than all.
@@aarushtripathi3683 Thanks man for letting me know
@@masterpoolplayz9255 Not a problem. Happy New Year.
@@aarushtripathi3683 Happy New year to you even if I am a little late
Your channel started in 2007. Yep, your channel is much older than my. My channel started in 2009 even today I still miss the full customization of backgrounds.
Hurray for the podcast!
Flash was one of the reasons I finally threw out my Pentium II for an Athlon XP in 2003. No longer did I have to right-click and choose low quality mode just to get barely acceptable performance out of my favourite Newgrounds games and cartoons!
I think you forgot one thing: Apple had a _vested_ interest in ending Flash because they, along with Google, were heavily involved co-developing HTML 5.0, which could do most things that Flash could do. Indeed, much of the final HTML 5.0 standard that was released on October 28, 2014 was the work of Apple and Google.
I remember learning to animate with some macromedia program in middle school. But definitely started coding AS2.0+ in high school
For the record, Steve Jobs not supporting Flash on iPhone had literally nothing to do with the fall of Flash. And security vulnerabilities were an issue but also not the main reason Flash died.
What killed flash was Html5. Large parts of what flash could do was natively supported in the main standard for web pages. Nobody would pay Adobe licensing fees or for their Flash creative suite tools when responsive web design and animations were supported in html5. Html5 also had the canvas feature for 3D support eventually.
Adobe themselves mention HTML5 as the primary reason they were shutting down support for Flash in their discontinued support statement of the product.
"lack of openness" from steve jobs is hilarious
I made my living in the 90s creating animations with flash and interactive contents for flash player
*i remember playing flash games in school and having the time of my life! flash will be missed indeed. rip flash 1996-2020*
See? Even the mushroom man himself liked flash games. RIP
When I was little, it seemed that you cannot play any game on the web without Flash.
It was for 10 years
All Facebook games use Flash.
Flash...
Was built for something that is also long gone: 90's internet.....
Great, this video came out right at 00:00. So crucial
@CHARLY Charly In my timezone
I feel bad for Johnathan Gay. Imagine how he was bullied in school and such, "Woah look its mister gay!"
ye, my thoughts exactly too
Wait he isnt gay?
Yeah, this is pretty mean. People must see the light and step away from hate completely. We are a humans and everyone is equally valuable as the other one! Also respect nature and animals.
But i thought hes gai
Technically minors get the title “master” rather than “mister”, so he would have been “Master Gay” in school.
I am a 90's man and I still remember Adobe Flash Player!
I remember playing Mario 63 back in 2011 while I was 7, good times!
For those who don't know, there is actually a flash emulator that works in browsers called Ruffle. It's still in early development, but if you want flash back then this is the best option.
There is also flash point which u can play games offline
@@ZeCoolGuy-lk5mg or still download flash (offline installer) from the official website? Which Will still work after the 12th january?
@@jonnyprogamer for flash point you can download
@@ZeCoolGuy-lk5mg just download flash player offline installer and put never check for updates here
internet explorer: fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/latest/help/install_flash_player_ax.exe
opera and chrome: fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/latest/help/install_flash_player_ppapi.exe
firefox: fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/latest/help/install_flash_player.exe
@@jonnyprogamer dude to use flash point u gotta download flash
Rip and happy new year!
R.I.P. Flash lot of fun with games, animation, and coding actionscript...
R.I.P Flash,
I'll still enjoy using Adobe Animate for HTML5 Canvas and as my goto animation tool.
RIP Flash... I remembered back then I had to install this plugin before I even watch TH-cam videos... Even I used to play Flash games waaaaay back then.
Also, happy new year 2021! Hope you have a great 2021! Keep up with the great content!
i was here during the premiere, can’t wait to see myself in the replay!
i remember playing flash games on some websites back then
dang, everything is gonna go away
I remember playing Flash games when I was very little. One of the most nostalgic to me is Super Mario Flash 1 and 2, which are based on Super Mario Bros. (SNES) and Super Mario World, respectively. These games are broken in Ruffle, but are thankfully archived on BlueMaxima's Flashpoint.
Do they work in Ruffle now?
I remember dealing with pornographic malware that was likely let onto the family desktop by Flash when I was like 7.
I have fond memories of the Flash era. It is definitely a big part of the history of computing.
Brings me back to a long time ago. You’ll be missed Adobe Flash!!!
Thank you flash for powering all my childhood games like Sonic, papas hot doggeria, burgeria, fireboy and watergirl 1,2 and 3 etc including those I would play on the school computers when my friends and I were on lunch break or bored. Good memories. You served us well
I still remember that I relied on Adobe Flash from mid 2007 till early 2017, to visit, interact with websites like Yahoo, TH-cam, MSN.
Bad news is that I can't play educational materials from CDs, DVDs which relied on Flash. I miss them.
Good news is that I don't even have to Worry about my Desktop/Laptop performance especially that run on older OS and processors, and that also rely on HDD. These days, every computer run on SSDs, Javascript, high tech processors, may include ARM based processors, thus computers run faster.
(Looks At 2020)
*And now, you have officially carried it too far, Buddy.*
Glad you mentioned shockwave. Kudos. I once made a three cd director based game if you want to chat.
all around good summary, glad you got to the Steve Jobs - Flash ( kiss of death ) letter. That did in fact seal the deal... and he was right.
I remeber when i got my first computer i just went on the internet and played some games on it using Flash Player
Oh yes Candystand mini golf! I love playing that game!
This was a big part of our lives🙏
The first thing that springs to mind for me when I think back on flash animations and the like is a little series by a team called 'Camp Chaos' and their take on a band, that at the time was quite noterious over the actions it took over a site called Napster... and the drummer of said band that was taking users to court... 'Napster Bad' I think, is the first animation in that series.
In an alternate timeline where Apple failed before bringing Steve back, flash is still the go-to plug in. Up until the iphone and ipad, everything used flash. Even if it wasn't great, people made it work. I believe that if Steve didn't say "no, our platform isn't going to support flash, and we're still going to be successful," flash would have never died.
I remember when the HP palm tablet came out and one of it's big selling points was "we have flash." Oh those were the days.
It would be something if flash was still the standard, but updated so much that it was fast, safe and efficient, but still supported old flash content
Flash Player is all about flashbacks... great times for my childhood nostalgia.
I'll miss you guys :(
Funnily enough I’ve been binging Homestar Runner lately since nostalgia hit from the past -
They have their own YT channel, check em out. And awesome props for showing them and Edds World too.
I remember being in school and going to addicting games those was the days
I am surprised you failed to mention this... It was common knowledge that the primary (unofficial) reason that Apple didn't support Flash is because it would compete with the App Store. Apple knew flash would be quickly updated to support touch, and thus, users could easily run Flash apps. Why would developers waste time creating IOS-specific versions of their apps when the Flash version works everywhere? This drastically impacts the usefulness of the store and the revenue it generates. This was a serious concern at the time, because lack of developer support will kill any platform.
I started my career as an E-learning Developer in the early 90s using Authorware and Director. When Flash came along that made my job so much easier and more creative. Flash technology became integrated with almost every learning development tool available during the early 2000s. Flash was a big part of my toolbox and allowed me to create much better content than I otherwise would have been able to create. Honestly I wish that Flash was staying around in some form because HTML 5 can't replicate its capabilities and never will.
Just became a member! Feeling great.
I also have tons of good...great memories of flash content from end of the world to salad fingers to curveball the list goes on. That nick robinson fella did an interesting vid about some old disney christmas advent calender or something that really interplays with flashes revival software and the developers are actually working on putting the game out its nice to know we can still have some if not all of our flash memories preserved for our future selves if not future generations...
You always do such good work and your videos keep improving with your editing skills by adding a little humor and editing funny tidbits in. Keep up the good work man! Def subbed to you.
I've got some memories with Flash, played various fan-games and watched animations that used Flash. There were also some problems caused by Flash, such as it being used as a malware vector on the Pentium 4 PC that used to be my daily driver (sasser virus killed the previous hdd).
I was a Flash developer 2008ish through 2012. We had a lot of Flash content and I think that was too much of a weight that kept us in the past. The company I was working for didn't really exist after I left.
Rest in peace Flash Games....
You’re literally my childhood
Happy new year 2021!
Ahh yes... Adobe Flash. Man those were good times.
In my childhood I always loved to play flash games on newgrounds or Sonic romhacks on letsplaysega.com or watch flash animations like eddsworld or Bowsers kingdom all on my trusty intel iMac from 2006. I still have that same Mac on my desk, and I will NEVER get rid of it.
Funny story though; in junior high I was able to update Adobe Flash to the latest and greatest version, while everyone else meanwhile couldn't play games because they were running an outdated version every time they tried to install it, they couldn't, because of not having administrator privileges. I guess you can say, that was the best thing being the attention hoot LOL. But that fame didn't last long since the IT crew tracked it down and disabled my user account for a few days for downloading\installing illegal content.
I remember playing coolmathgames and scratch games. It got adobe flash plugin. Its sad to see them go.
You should have mentioned Adobe’s direct competitor to Flash, Adobe LiveMotion! Content creators who were working back in the day will remember that there was a lot of noise when it came out; it had some decent features that Flash couldn’t do. However, it failed miserably, and if I remember correctly was a major contributing reason for why Adobe went ahead and bought Macromedia.
I don't know any other computer games besides Flash that was my whole childhood
it still works
Still works? :D
Poor flash. He was a great DC character :-(
newgrounds always just gives me so much nostalgia even though i've never used it. It reminds me of sites like habbo hotel, splooder, and old roblox
Me too. I barely ever used Newgrounds and instead relied on other flash sites. But I still knew about the site.
As influential and important Flash is as a 2000s boy, I'm glad it went away. It's probably for the better
RIP flash. 1996-2020. You'll be missed...
So Ruffle is a flash emulator that has been adopted by sites that are flash-dependent like Homestar Runner and Albinoblacksheep but there are problems. First, Homestar Runner's Stinkoman 20X6 game is still broken. The level where you protect 1-UP doesn't work right. Main page 24 doesn't have the blur effect that's supposed to be there (they say "Ruffle doesn't support Actionscript 3 which is what made the blurry stuff blurry on this page.") In a lot of places, the ends of sound clips are cut off.
R.I.P Flash
We'll never forget you
All those years building a flash decompiler and Java player have gone to waste
One of the last dying throws was something I worked on, a UK video on demand set-top-box service, running the Air environment. A bizarre choice but a bit of work for people with deprecated skills.
You’d be surprised that a lot of British school kids still play flash and shockwave games on Windows Media Player since game sites are blocked in most schools.
Rest In Peace, Adobe Flash.
F
Thank you for video and energy you put on it 😁👍
You're welcome : ) Thank you for watching.
Great retrospective. “End of the World” is still as charming and hilarious as it was back in the day.
Totally
Don't cry because it's over
Smile because it's happened
Dr. Seuss
It's also worth mentioning Ruffle for people who want to have that browser experience, and to also visit Flash based websites.
I still distinctly remember my college flash 5 teacher reading her code. "On click event, on press..." with a very thick Indian accent. I still miss flash honestly. I spent time learning it so of course I do. Strong bad ft odd
I'm kinda surprised that nobody is mentioning ruffle (a flash emulation project).
R.I.P. Flash :[
I'm going to miss shockwave games.
Rumbleline two, burning rubber 6 , getto getaway.. oh my God...