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Hey Ken! I love the videos! If you want to see a really weird passing fad computer company look up Rock City Computers. They had this weird cube shaped PC balanced on its corner.
@@andredeketeleastutecomplex No the name was definitely Rock City Computers. I posted a reply with a link to a picture I had lying around but I think it obviously needs approval before it's allowed. It was in the early 2000's and it was interesting because it looked like nothing anyone had seen before. They were overpriced but definitely went into production. I hate it when we change universes. XD
To be fair most mothers think Blue Eyes White Dragon is a form of Pikachu so a mother is not exactly the best person to take as credible witness. Hell my mother told me to use my pokemon cards that look the cutest while I was playing Halo. Mothers do not know what the younglings are into because that is an uncles place to know things.
This video just cast light onto a mystery that I've been unable to answer for years. Whenever I try to recall my family's first computer (early 2000s), I distinctly remember it having the iconic shape and color of the iMac, but at the same time I also seemed to recall it running some version of Windows. Having watched this video, I'm now 100% confident that this exact computer was the one we used to have.
Ever thought that maybe if it were a MS-DOS compatible work Mac? I've seen people run Windows 3.0, 3.1 and Windows 95 on 'em, too. Edit: Yeah, I don't believe it to be a MS-DOS compatible iMac now that I think about it. Actually, a lot of Macs have been MS-DO compatible in the rather recent past, but I doubt the first-gen iMacs were ever one of them.
@@trpstrincllc4866 Intel Dot Station? That was an Aol terminal/dumb PC, it couldn't be used as a normal PC without using a hacked BIOS and to flash that BIOS you had to short-circuit the BIOS chip on the motherboard...
To be honest, I think the level of similarity between the eOne and iMac is quite common today and fewer lawsuits. Also, Apple has been guilty of the same thing as eMachines in Trade Dress cases.
Damn straight. I was working in a phone shop when the Samsung Galaxy S launched, and everyone was all like "oh, they're copying Apple". That couldn't have been further from the truth. If you look at Samsung's phones (their sliders and candy-bars) prior to the launch of the iPhone, plenty of them had that distinctive black face with silver trim that the iPhone 3G eventually took on. Strangely, when Samsung decided to apply _their own design language_ to a touch screen phone, people cried foul.
Honestly, the big thing is that the iMacs looked a lot like older TVs there...one joke that I remember hearing was that Mac was copying the designs of Prison TVs at the time due to the transparent case...though, that was common everywhere with different colors (Nintendo had several systems using it as well). My uncle had a portable TV that looked almost exactly like the iMac as well, including the handle, except it also have a VCR built into it as well, and had an adaptor to plug into the car hooked on due to it being, largely, used when he went camping.
For the noise, it might happen because for some ungodly reason the sound drivers in Win98 have enabled monitoring of the input jacks by default in the mixer. Disabling that (setting it to 0) should resolve any interference issues.
Good suggestion, I was thinking the noise was making coming from the CPU, CRT monitor or the graphics chipset, or maybe the hard drive, all those components generate a lot of RFI.
Regarding the slow boot of Win98: There was well known problem back then, when Win98 was set to DHCP on one of the network interfaces, but wasn't able to get an IP. It basically screamed out for an IP for a very long time, which made the boot process very slow - you might check this. Finally, Windows would assign itself an "APIPA" IP-Adress, starting with 169.x.x.x, which was always a sign, that something did not work well. Good old days!
When you degaussed that monitor, it brought back so many memories of the old PC I had growing up. I remember randomly pressing the "degauss" button while messing around with the monitor settings and being highly entertained when the picture warped with that loud electrical sound. Man, I wish I still had a CRT monitor...
go and buy one. few years back i went to one of those small shops that sell cheap old computer parts and bought 10 crts. they were 3 bucks each. they still work, they're at my farm, along with 10 computers set up in a lan. had a lot of fun in that retro lan, but unfortunately my friends never want to go there anymore. the little shts.
One episode of the Bastard Operator From Hell tells you to degauss at the start of a flashback sequence. You can bet I did that back when I was still using a CRT.
@@thewiirocks Travaglia is still writing new instalments. I check in for new ones every six months or so. The series is enough of a Long Runner that going on an Archive Binge gets you a sort of time-lapse of the evolution of computing technology from the early 1990s to the present.
I remember seeing the iMac for the first time and wanting on so badly 😂 24 years later I’ve finally purchased a box complete 1998 Lime Green G3. She’s sitting proudly on display in my dining room 😊
Here are a couple of notes I have from this video: 3:00 98FE was thinking that Mendocino Celeron was a Pentium II, because it basically is (just with the on-die L2 cache running at full speed) Additionally, the eOne also came shipped with Windows Me (Millennium Edition) in the later part of the eOne manufacturing before they were discontinued in the later part of 2000. It’s just like how the iMac originally came with Mac OS 8 (more specifically 8.1) upon its release in 1998 and later came shipped with Mac OS 9 (starting with 9.0.4) in the slot-loading revisions from mid-2000 to 2003, when the iMac G3s were discontinued. However, taking from Ken's words, one is an OS that is less stable, and the other is more stable.
the image of that one computer lab at school filled with various color iMacs is still fresh in my head 20+ years later... and seeing these still makes me feel a sense of futurism
My first computer was a eMachine. Got it for a little over $400 on sale at Walmart for Christmas 2001. It wasn't a bad first computer. It did everything it was supposed to do. And I learned how to tinker on computers with it.
I had an E1 that I got for my son. Eventually it ended up with my mother for her to use, then it moved on to a neighbor of hers (by which time it was so old it could collect Social Security). eMachines made some decent computers
Back in 2004-ish, My mom bought a Emachines pc set up from walmart. monitor, pc, speakers, keyboard, and mouse for i believe $600-$700 back then. I believe it was a Celeron D with 256mb of ram. God i hated that thing but it worked. *Edit* The Emachines Ken showed at 13:08 was the one my mom bought. Guess it did have 512mb lol
dell and HP would do samethink Limit the Amount of Ram on cheaper PC once you added more Ram them computer was good including eMachines and Gateway i think Dell got sued for limited PCS
i've got one of these! i've still got it safely stashed away because it was this little gem i grew up with. it wasn't till a few years ago i learned about its history. glad you did a video on it! :D
I really have to wonder what the legal argument went like? was it something like "granted while the eMachines customers would never mistake the two, BUT our customers are a bit clueless and stupid, so they would totally confuse the two"
I distinctly remember my elementary school having two computer labs, one for the iMac and one full of the eOne. Even as an 8 year old I was staunchly Anti-Apple, so I always went to the eOne lab over the Mac lab!
I owned several Mac clones back in the day, to be honest the PowerComputing clone was a better pc than the macs of its day. I kept that PowerComputing humming for years, upgraded memory, harddrive and processor. It got me into learning how to fix and repair pcs
I had E Machine, yah your right was not the fastest Machine, but was able to upgrade it a little, and it lasted for 7 years, until the fan on the CPU stopped working g and ended up with a square in the motherboard were the CPU used to be, but a great computer, love the video, happy holidays my friend.
"Remember, in the 80s and 90s, you could have a computer in any color you want.... as long as it's beige" Someone should have told that to Silicon Graphics with their: Personal Iris (gray, 1988) Indigo (guess what color it was, 1991) Crimson (guess what color it was, 1992) Indigo2 (teal or purple, 1992) Indy (blue, 1993) O2 (blue, 1996)
Laptops were mostly not-beige by the late 90's. Silver, grey, and black were prominent. Micron/Micron PC/MPC spiced things up in silver and dark purple for a while before going black and silver on their rebadged and recolored versions of Samsung laptops.
@@jeremykothe2847 Well I did have access to Indy's and Indigo2's at school (1995-1999) and in the early aughts I bought a couple for personal use and then started buying lots of them that a friend and I would refurbish and resell. They were still beige boxes, but my favorite workstations from the era were the Sun SPARCstation IPX and IPC... they were like the size and shape of a lunchbox and opened like one too (though without a hinge). To fit the motherboard into such a small footprint, half was on the bottom and half was on the top :)
A Personal Iris 4D/20 with 14" monitor had a starting price of $13,500. A fully loaded model with 19" monitor would set you back $34k. In 1988. Comparatively, the high-end Mac IIfx was $12k around the same time, and the average B&W Mac (an SE/30) was $6500, while a IIci was about $8800. Average PC prices were between $2-6k. Which of these do you think 90% of people working outside of a UNIX-based graphic design department would be familiar with?
I always thought the original iMacs were cheaply built but wow you see the difference in build quality @10:10. At least the eMachine has a floppy drive. That was the no.1 complaint the market had with the iMac. It literally had no I/O other than the CD-ROM or network so literally everyone bought a USB drive. Regarding the hissing on the audio line out. I had a 1st gen mac mini back in the day and the hissing was an issue too. I had to buy a USB adaptor to plug my headphones into which cancelled the noise. So it may not be a shielding thing.
I have both machines, and there really are some similar things between the two, which would be subject to a lawsuit, but not to the point of removing the machine from the market. Apple has always been a company with dishonest competitiveness tactics, they sued any and all manufacturers that dared to release an all-in-one computer. Compaq already had all-in-one computers with a 13 or 14-inch display since 1994, for example. Apple wanted to pull it out of the market, simply because the E-one was a better machine than theirs. In technical specs, the 233mhz imac was as fast as a pentium 2 ~350mhz, but what about games? At that time, the computer was basically used for 3 things: Editing documents, surfing the internet for a few hours at low speed, and GAMES. E-one had a mediocre graphics solution for hardcore gamers, but this ATI model was just perfect for the overwhelming majority of games released until then, the biggest benefit was the compatibility with Windows 98 and MSDOS, it had the video capture card , which allowed you to connect a VCR or video game directly to it. If a father or mother wanted to buy a computer and a TV to put in their child's room, this machine won by leaps and bounds. It also had some cute details, like the ability to play CDs even with the machine turned off, there was a small LCD display in front of it to select tracks, as well as a discman. It also had an integrated floppy drive, its screen gave the impression of being bigger. I work restoring this kind of thing, I have a lot of technical knowledge, and looking at it 20 years later, I can see how it was superior to an iMac: The tube and flyback DO NOT usually fail on these models, you can easily find them with a factory flyback, which doesn't even make pops! The tube is not blurred (a sign of wear on the tube barrel), I have never found one that had something missing on the motherboard (even its capacitors resist well. The casing, even after so many years, still has the same color as when it was new . The imacs, both the 98 and the 2001, are easy to present problems with flyback (mainly because jobs had the stupid idea to remove the fan in the second revision), the image tube after 20 years is already deteriorated and difficult to use 1024x768 with clarity, their cd drive usually fails, and they use a proprietary type , the speakers of iMacs tend to crack and break, and they turn yellow, lose their color (especially the blue ones, which end up turning green). I'm not a fanboy, I love them both, but facts are facts.
I use to sell these for a living and Macs. And their call center was in the same town, so a LOT of their staff, bought from me and gave me insight. I could almost get them down to free with the rebates, coupons, and other items. Personally, at the time, I didn’t feel Apple case was that strong, but the argument that eMachines was terrible and Apple made a great case. I think the main thing at that time, was that eMachines, were assuming that Apple had set a standard, and the standard design shouldn’t be protected. Like IBM saying you can’t make a case a rectangle, and paint it beige. However, they didn’t actually argue that in court. I could talk for a few hours about these things. But, in the end they were garbage machines, with INSANE failure rates, so the world is probably better off that we had the experience and moved on.
I owned a couple of them and luckily, I never had any problems. They were cheap and just good enough to do what I needed, which were the only things that mattered to me back then.
@@jrmarcus Lot's of people had no issues, about 70% ;) but as the guy that had to warranty them, we only see the bad ones, and with the numbers we sold, and that high of failure rate, it was sometimes2-3 a day. Almost for sure at least 1 every other day. But during that "gold rush" era, with the internet booming to the average user, we would sell 4 a day on average. The main failure was the modem, or the integrated sound cards. We never repaired he emachines, we just gave the person a new one, and sent back any. Too hard to work on. Honestly, just like the Apple DuoDock, if you never got on the internet with it, you had even higher odds of never having an issue. Because you would never encounter that buggy modem. I mean that was the good news, you got a computer for like 100 bucks and if it broke within a year, you just got a new one, took, less than 15 minutes to do the exchange. The bad news, we often had no way to rescue the last years worth of content on the HDD. I sold a number of these eOnes to a local guy who used them as internet machines in bars around town. The net was so new, people would get excited to try it at bars and this unibody build for the price was perfect. (Note, I had one of the normal ones for a while I gave my little siblings for homework, they had that thing for a good 5 years, it was fine. Just remembered that.)
I have one of the ATX G3 clone cases. Missing sidepanels. I restored it & still use it for my holodeck computer system. I will say, the RGB on all the incidental components makes it look way more like star trek when you're seeing it through transluscent plastic.
Hah, I still have an eMachine or 2 in my collection of computer junk. The later towers actually weren't too bad. I never saw an E1 until now though. Seems they included everything Apple *should have* put on the early iMac, but doing an almost direct copy of the design was probably not the best idea.😂 I also have one of those early iMacs, which surprisingly still boots up.😉
Emachines was still crummy sometimes. My mom bought a W3609 back in 06 with vista. Doesn’t sound bad until you realize it shipped with 512MB of Ram and a Celeron D 356. At least it was 64-bit?
I had an eMachine tower that I picked up used in the early 2000s. It had modest specs but it was reliable and I was able to do some upgrades. If I'd had access to an eMachines One I would have jumped on it in spite of the QC issues.
that squealing is probably due to bad capacitors. the 8-bit Guy had a Mac LC III that was making the same kind of sounds due to caps that needed to be replaced.
I mean maybe there is something to be said about the shape of CRTs limiting the overall shape to some variation of a box or “teardrops” if one didn’t want a bunch of empty space.
I have that etower you showed in the beginning of the video. It's all original for a few case screws and the power supply, thee keyboard, mouse and speakers are gone, it's still running Windows ME. My aunt bought it from a circuit city back in 1999 or 2000
Windows 98 has a bug where the system tries to get an IP address from DHCP even when the cable is disconnected, it takes a long time. Just set a static IP address.
I think I just disabled DHCP in networking. Not really sure but, I had my 450mhz Prentium II booting win 98(& SE) in about 42 seconds on average back then.
That startup also could have taken as long as it did if that's the original hard drive it came with, they do wear out over time. It likely didn't take that long back then and with a fresh Windows 98 install.
I've gotta find an old CRT monitor just so I can degauss it from time to time. It's one of those things that just feels awesome. I remember this on my monitors growing up, and that it wouldn't fire again immediately. So it just got better the longer you waited. Had absolutely no idea what it "did", but I do remember how satisfying it was to watch the screen wobble and that sound it made.
Interesting! I do have computers that are even older than the eOne and they sound fine-with the original caps! Maybe the eOne just uses cheaper electronics?
@@ComputerClan Well, you gotta reduce costs somehow, and im sure at that price point they went as cheap as possible. I have not seen the motherboard, but i would put my money on the caps around the audio circuitry being all el cheapo brand, leaky and out of spec.
_"Inadequate shielding... "_ Really? Or is it perhaps caused by leaky caps because it's a 24 year-old computer that was designed to meet a price point that is less than half that of the Apple? Did it make those noises back in 1999? I doubt it very much.
There was a pizza shop i used to go to a bunch that had one of these ontop of a drinks fridge being used as a TV. I remember it being there from about 2004 to 2009ish. I guess they bought it as a PC when it was new. Then once it got too slow just used the screen for a tv. They must of had it plugged into a set top box or just an old VCR to use a tuner.
This thing probably has bad caps and the HDD is failing. Replace it with SSD and Win98 will fly on this thing. And you can probably overclock this Celeron a lot.
I'm still not a huge fan of the verdict against emachines... Sure it looked close, but it wasn't really a copy once you get to the details, and let's be fair... Most computers look nearly identical, especially at the time. I don't think you saw HP suing dell for their beige boxes.... It's all a bit sad
would the computer still be perceived as similar if the eone ditched the transparent scheme for a more boring beige look (computer and all accessories)
Almost certainly not. In 2000 frosted transparent turquoise and white meant "Apple Product" and to a lesser extent "item meant to be compatible with Apple product", and Apple had spent millions in advertising to make the connection with the public. And frankly it's a fanciful enough color scheme to choose that it was fair to not begrudge Apple that as their signature tradedress. These days their signature colors seem to modulate between white and grey metallic, which would be much harder to win a case like this with. Emachines had a much stronger case for the teardrop design being simply a utilitarian way for an all in one desktop to be made at the time, but the colors were damning.
When the iMac came out my Mum was very confused because Immac was the name of a hair removal cream (its now called Veet. Maybe Apple sued them). She couldn't work out how these plastic things in the newspaper advert removed hair.
I have an eMachines PC. With an AMD athlon ii x2 255.. came with a GeForce 6150SE. Removed it from its case. Installed it in a atx compliant server chassis. Upgraded it to 8 GB DDR2, Gave it a gtx 750Ti and a PCI to 1Gbps lan adapter and a pcie to usb 3.0 internal and USB 3.0 A card. It runs windows 10 pretty well. It's also set up to run Linux Mint. I can boot into either.
I remember these contraptions. Back then we cooperated with an interior designer specialized in offices. A typical PC setup from IBM, Fujitsu-Siemens, HP and so on wasn't cool enough and a real Mac couldn't run Windows. So they equipped every desk they sold with THIS and we had to support it. It was crap!
You also have to turn off the memory check in BIOS. And the speakers were bloody awfull using that unit. They often just stopped working without warning.
like the ASUS Vivo AIO All-in-One Desktop PC, 23.8” Full HD Touch Display, Intel Core i5 Processor, 8GB DDR4 RAM, 128GB SSD + 1TB HDD, Windows 10, V241FA-DS501T that is so much like the new imac
There has to be something wrong with it. Shouldn’t be that slow booting up. Try changing the hard drive, replace the cmos battery, check to see if the memory is are matched up correct or one of them are bad, then I’d check all of the capacitors.
There's almost 800 comments, so someone's pointed out that a lengthy Win9x startup time may be the result of having no active network cable connected, right? Plug in a suitable network cable (or disable the onboard NIC in Device Manager) and I reckon that long startup delay will go away.
They weren't trying to copy Apple. They were trying to take an established good idea and improving upon it by installing Windows. (i'm not a first-time Ken viewer)
Ugh, don't even get me started on Microsoft: I have so much evidence on why they shouldn't be involved with video games (in this case Minecraft) or make mobile apps (especially chat platform type apps) and that's enough proof for why they shouldn't have existed long enough to do either of those things in the first place.
I owned an E Machine desktop, upgraded every component over time, and it lasted for years. I currently use a 2010 Gateway Desktop w/ a Pentium i7, and a recent memory upgrade and SSD swap is keeping it alive 13 years later.
Finally a new video! Glad to see you do one on the eOne, especially considering that Clint from LGR did one on it too. Also, I knew you were going to have some moment you'd yell "Martha!" after you did that 10 years later transition and then transformed into old Ken, lol
Should not have been banned. It was different enough. Just think about how all phones and TVs look the same now. Heck, look at retail brand packaging in grocery stores... so much similarity.
Hey, you know when this computer came out I was selling computers, and this thing was fiery competence in the eyes of customers, and even after the lawsuit it keep seeling in Mexico for a few years.
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Anyone old enough to remember Franklin that cloned the Apple II by actually cloning the Apple II roms? Back in 1982 I was at a guy's house in Wenatchee WA and he was selling Franklin computers out of his garage when two guys in suits show up at his house introducing themselves as attorney's for Apple computer. I left, so I did not directly hear what was said. The gist was he had to immediately stop selling Franklins computers or he would be included in Apple's upcoming multi-million-dollar lawsuit against Franklin. Well, that was the end of that guy's side business out of his garage.
Great video! It has always been a “unique” machine, and even though it might not be the highest spec system, the large amount of ports does make it a cool All In One. “Wow, this new iMac can run Windows? And it’s Never Obsolete?? What a steal!” (After mail in rebate)
You forgot one thing. Steve Jobs was behind most of these copycat lawsuits. After Microsoft copied his OS design Steve would never let that happen again. Remember his suing HTC for copping apples lock screen slider
I worked in the warehouse of my local Sears when the iMac came out, and MAN did those things sell. We'd get a pallet in, and they'd all be gone by the end of day.
I actually own one of these in its box with everything including the mouse! Sadly when I booted the PC it made a small crackling noise and now the crt doesn’t work. The computer itself is probably fine. I definitely would like to find someone who could help repair the thing!
0:12 Unfortunately thats not illegal. you can make something similar, but for example you change its color, littlebit of shape, logo and name. you practically made new thing. many car company make similar looking car... they are not fighting. A best example is mouse, there is so many different type and shape for mouse. If i took your logic, you cant make a new mouse. But now company chane their logo, colore and wala new mouse.
In 1996, Bandai included a blue translucent colorway in the OG batch of Tamagotchi. Also, Tamagotchi had glitter in some of the translucent colorways. Apple could never 😜
@@IsoMacintosh yeah, i was just very entertained as a kid that my Tamagotchi matched those iMacs and those vtech phones too. Add a inflatable chair and you were the cool kid. Simpler times. 😆
Many years ago my dad bought an e-machine laptop with a “warranty”. Except it was later revealed that the warranty didn’t actually exist, and they wouldn’t help my dad fix or replace his laptop… until he contacted the local news and they did a story about it. The company suddenly changed their mind and got my dad a new laptop. LOL thats all I need to know about emachines.
daft idea to have an all-in-one CRT pc when LCD portables were on the market. I see they backtracked from that 'hip' design direction when they worked out they were just making a cheap thing look cheaper
Honestly, as one who obtained it for the remarkable price of free from a recycler (this means no hard drive, no accessories, and in as-is condition), the eOne isn't too shabby of a mid-range 98FE machine if you have a newer hard drive in there and have a RAM upgrade.
I had one of these. It was my first computer that connected to the internet. It was an aweful computer. I needed to get this thing services every few months, one of the only time I'm glad I took the extended warrenty. It finally completely died after a little over a year. Though I wish I held onto the keyboard and mouse.
The "floppy drive pinout on the original iMac motherboard" story I heard went like this: The iMac was developed hastily from a Powerbook G3 motherboard, and they didn't remove the pinout in the first generation. I can't find any reference for this story, but it does seem plausible.
These machines are a PAIN to open up, but once apart are nearly identical to a bondi blue iMac G3. The motherboard, hard drive and disc drive are all held in place by one screw in a basket cage style like the iMac. Often times when you put the plastic bottom piece back on, you will contort and cut your hands connecting the AV-IN port grounding connector to the bottom piece. It is awful and if you don’t reconnect it, AV IN does not work General build quality is atrocious. One of mine had its power port bezel fall out and my current 500Mhz eOne is missing its “boombox controls” door Spoiler: When you replace the broken CD ROM drive with an aftermarket, the powered off music playing abilities stop working I own and have owned several eOne machines. They are an absolute joy to use for basic tier computing. The CD-ROM drives tended to wear out and not read disks, so mine has a replacement DVD-RW. Faceplate doesn’t match but it works well. Great video!
So what was so original about Apple's take on the VT220 terminal from DEC? Slap some translucent panels on it and a silly puck mouse and there you go. Apple get away with murder, it seems.
The E-Machine "squeal" is the result of failing to understand how "ground" works in a computer. The CD-ROM drive had a different ground voltage tie point than the audio amplifiers. The squeal you hear is this voltage differential across the ground plane, then amplified by the audio amplifier to drive the loudspeaker. Apple engineers had a good handle on how this grounding stuff works. E-Machines did not. In fact, most PC makers during this time ("CD-ROM multi-media!") had extremely noisy audio systems before they finally figured it out.
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Hey Ken! I love the videos! If you want to see a really weird passing fad computer company look up Rock City Computers. They had this weird cube shaped PC balanced on its corner.
@@RandomGreymane Sounds interesting! I'm having trouble finding it. Is there a place I can read more information about this?
@@ComputerClan maybe he ment Rocket City Computers
@@andredeketeleastutecomplex No the name was definitely Rock City Computers. I posted a reply with a link to a picture I had lying around but I think it obviously needs approval before it's allowed. It was in the early 2000's and it was interesting because it looked like nothing anyone had seen before. They were overpriced but definitely went into production. I hate it when we change universes. XD
To be fair most mothers think Blue Eyes White Dragon is a form of Pikachu so a mother is not exactly the best person to take as credible witness. Hell my mother told me to use my pokemon cards that look the cutest while I was playing Halo. Mothers do not know what the younglings are into because that is an uncles place to know things.
This video just cast light onto a mystery that I've been unable to answer for years. Whenever I try to recall my family's first computer (early 2000s), I distinctly remember it having the iconic shape and color of the iMac, but at the same time I also seemed to recall it running some version of Windows. Having watched this video, I'm now 100% confident that this exact computer was the one we used to have.
Ever thought that maybe if it were a MS-DOS compatible work Mac? I've seen people run Windows 3.0, 3.1 and Windows 95 on 'em, too.
Edit: Yeah, I don't believe it to be a MS-DOS compatible iMac now that I think about it.
Actually, a lot of Macs have been MS-DO compatible in the rather recent past, but I doubt the first-gen iMacs were ever one of them.
@@neerjachopra1139 No, neither of my parents would've had the need nor know-how to do something like that.
There was another one to that had a dark blue or a black color scheme.
@@trpstrincllc4866 Intel Dot Station? That was an Aol terminal/dumb PC, it couldn't be used as a normal PC without using a hacked BIOS and to flash that BIOS you had to short-circuit the BIOS chip on the motherboard...
Fun Fact: if you put an E1 next to an M1 Mac you will get the first level of Doom.
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PCMCIA actually stands for People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms. Get it together, Ken!
Pretty Crappy Mobo & Cpu In Action
PCM as in Pulse Code Modulation + CIA, that's what I do to get it right.
Genius pun
@@fifaworldcup1994 Genius what??
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To be honest, I think the level of similarity between the eOne and iMac is quite common today and fewer lawsuits. Also, Apple has been guilty of the same thing as eMachines in Trade Dress cases.
Damn straight. I was working in a phone shop when the Samsung Galaxy S launched, and everyone was all like "oh, they're copying Apple". That couldn't have been further from the truth. If you look at Samsung's phones (their sliders and candy-bars) prior to the launch of the iPhone, plenty of them had that distinctive black face with silver trim that the iPhone 3G eventually took on. Strangely, when Samsung decided to apply _their own design language_ to a touch screen phone, people cried foul.
I think the fact that Apple failed when they claimed infringement over the rounded black rectangle did relax everyone a lot.
yeah i never even thought of the emachines computers as apple ripoffs. they were ugly all-in-one pcs i tried to talk my friends parents out of buying.
Honestly, the big thing is that the iMacs looked a lot like older TVs there...one joke that I remember hearing was that Mac was copying the designs of Prison TVs at the time due to the transparent case...though, that was common everywhere with different colors (Nintendo had several systems using it as well).
My uncle had a portable TV that looked almost exactly like the iMac as well, including the handle, except it also have a VCR built into it as well, and had an adaptor to plug into the car hooked on due to it being, largely, used when he went camping.
@@phat-kid The Apples or the clones? Heh those were probably Apple's worst machines ever... The mouse alone...
For the noise, it might happen because for some ungodly reason the sound drivers in Win98 have enabled monitoring of the input jacks by default in the mixer. Disabling that (setting it to 0) should resolve any interference issues.
Good suggestion, I was thinking the noise was making coming from the CPU, CRT monitor or the graphics chipset, or maybe the hard drive, all those components generate a lot of RFI.
@@Lachlant1984 or aging capacitors!
@@RetroTechChris Oh sure it could be, and given the price of the machine I'd say the capacitors weren't the highest quality even when new.
@@RetroTechChris I'd put my money on this as it's old and that thing for sure has a lot of caps inside.
Regarding the slow boot of Win98: There was well known problem back then, when Win98 was set to DHCP on one of the network interfaces, but wasn't able to get an IP. It basically screamed out for an IP for a very long time, which made the boot process very slow - you might check this. Finally, Windows would assign itself an "APIPA" IP-Adress, starting with 169.x.x.x, which was always a sign, that something did not work well. Good old days!
that was never an issue for me because i've always used fixed IP on my lan setups. still do.
@@GraveUypo The problem was that people who even did not have a LAN, but for example just a network card, where affected by this slow-boot issue
Yep, if something has gone out to lunch, look for 169.254.x.x for your ip.
When you degaussed that monitor, it brought back so many memories of the old PC I had growing up.
I remember randomly pressing the "degauss" button while messing around with the monitor settings and being highly entertained when the picture warped with that loud electrical sound. Man, I wish I still had a CRT monitor...
go and buy one. few years back i went to one of those small shops that sell cheap old computer parts and bought 10 crts. they were 3 bucks each. they still work, they're at my farm, along with 10 computers set up in a lan. had a lot of fun in that retro lan, but unfortunately my friends never want to go there anymore. the little shts.
There's nothing more satisfying than hitting that degauss button!
One episode of the Bastard Operator From Hell tells you to degauss at the start of a flashback sequence. You can bet I did that back when I was still using a CRT.
@@Roxor128 That’s friggin’ hilarious. I loved the BOFH so much back in the day!
@@thewiirocks Travaglia is still writing new instalments. I check in for new ones every six months or so. The series is enough of a Long Runner that going on an Archive Binge gets you a sort of time-lapse of the evolution of computing technology from the early 1990s to the present.
I remember seeing the iMac for the first time and wanting on so badly 😂 24 years later I’ve finally purchased a box complete 1998 Lime Green G3. She’s sitting proudly on display in my dining room 😊
Does her CD-ROM drive work?
Here are a couple of notes I have from this video:
3:00 98FE was thinking that Mendocino Celeron was a Pentium II, because it basically is (just with the on-die L2 cache running at full speed)
Additionally, the eOne also came shipped with Windows Me (Millennium Edition) in the later part of the eOne manufacturing before they were discontinued in the later part of 2000. It’s just like how the iMac originally came with Mac OS 8 (more specifically 8.1) upon its release in 1998 and later came shipped with Mac OS 9 (starting with 9.0.4) in the slot-loading revisions from mid-2000 to 2003, when the iMac G3s were discontinued. However, taking from Ken's words, one is an OS that is less stable, and the other is more stable.
I used an Eone as my first computer for years.
I started FL and stuff on one of these E machines it was nothing special but it worked
I have one too, (including the original mouse) it was my first computer, still works great. (I'm nostalgic about old hardware)
Did it have that sound issues as new? I'd suspect not, but that it's age induced issue.
I used external speakers, the one built into it worked, but did not sound nice.
@@AndrewCamarata I was meaning more about that "coil whine" style erratic sound which was mentioned in video.
the image of that one computer lab at school filled with various color iMacs is still fresh in my head 20+ years later... and seeing these still makes me feel a sense of futurism
That was horrible. They always had the pinwheel of death.
Our computer lab actually used these e-machines back when I was in elementary. I know it was an emachine cause it ran off of a Windows Program
I thought hard about getting one of these for college - the options and size made it the almost perfect dorm room computer.
My first computer was a eMachine. Got it for a little over $400 on sale at Walmart for Christmas 2001. It wasn't a bad first computer. It did everything it was supposed to do. And I learned how to tinker on computers with it.
You HAD to learn how to tinker with both software (thanks to Windows) and hardware (thanks to E- machines)
I had an E1 that I got for my son. Eventually it ended up with my mother for her to use, then it moved on to a neighbor of hers (by which time it was so old it could collect Social Security). eMachines made some decent computers
Back in 2004-ish, My mom bought a Emachines pc set up from walmart. monitor, pc, speakers, keyboard, and mouse for i believe $600-$700 back then. I believe it was a Celeron D with 256mb of ram. God i hated that thing but it worked.
*Edit* The Emachines Ken showed at 13:08 was the one my mom bought. Guess it did have 512mb lol
dell and HP would do samethink Limit the Amount of Ram on cheaper PC once you added more Ram them computer was good including eMachines and Gateway i think Dell got sued for limited PCS
i've got one of these! i've still got it safely stashed away because it was this little gem i grew up with. it wasn't till a few years ago i learned about its history. glad you did a video on it! :D
As a kid. I always wanted one of those iMacs. They looked so cool and it was all in one meaning it took up minimal space. I wanted it
If Apple decided to build a car they would sue anything that has 4 wheels for stealing their design
I really have to wonder what the legal argument went like? was it something like "granted while the eMachines customers would never mistake the two, BUT our customers are a bit clueless and stupid, so they would totally confuse the two"
I distinctly remember my elementary school having two computer labs, one for the iMac and one full of the eOne. Even as an 8 year old I was staunchly Anti-Apple, so I always went to the eOne lab over the Mac lab!
Yes same! That Imac in the computer lab in 1999 was the first and last time i have ever used an apple product
I owned several Mac clones back in the day, to be honest the PowerComputing clone was a better pc than the macs of its day. I kept that PowerComputing humming for years, upgraded memory, harddrive and processor. It got me into learning how to fix and repair pcs
I had E Machine, yah your right was not the fastest Machine, but was able to upgrade it a little, and it lasted for 7 years, until the fan on the CPU stopped working g and ended up with a square in the motherboard were the CPU used to be, but a great computer, love the video, happy holidays my friend.
"Remember, in the 80s and 90s, you could have a computer in any color you want.... as long as it's beige"
Someone should have told that to Silicon Graphics with their:
Personal Iris (gray, 1988)
Indigo (guess what color it was, 1991)
Crimson (guess what color it was, 1992)
Indigo2 (teal or purple, 1992)
Indy (blue, 1993)
O2 (blue, 1996)
Laptops were mostly not-beige by the late 90's. Silver, grey, and black were prominent. Micron/Micron PC/MPC spiced things up in silver and dark purple for a while before going black and silver on their rebadged and recolored versions of Samsung laptops.
Yeah, but *you* couldn't have one :P
@@jeremykothe2847 Well I did have access to Indy's and Indigo2's at school (1995-1999) and in the early aughts I bought a couple for personal use and then started buying lots of them that a friend and I would refurbish and resell.
They were still beige boxes, but my favorite workstations from the era were the Sun SPARCstation IPX and IPC... they were like the size and shape of a lunchbox and opened like one too (though without a hinge). To fit the motherboard into such a small footprint, half was on the bottom and half was on the top :)
A Personal Iris 4D/20 with 14" monitor had a starting price of $13,500. A fully loaded model with 19" monitor would set you back $34k. In 1988. Comparatively, the high-end Mac IIfx was $12k around the same time, and the average B&W Mac (an SE/30) was $6500, while a IIci was about $8800. Average PC prices were between $2-6k. Which of these do you think 90% of people working outside of a UNIX-based graphic design department would be familiar with?
My ‘97 Compaq was black
I always thought the original iMacs were cheaply built but wow you see the difference in build quality @10:10.
At least the eMachine has a floppy drive. That was the no.1 complaint the market had with the iMac. It literally had no I/O other than the CD-ROM or network so literally everyone bought a USB drive.
Regarding the hissing on the audio line out. I had a 1st gen mac mini back in the day and the hissing was an issue too. I had to buy a USB adaptor to plug my headphones into which cancelled the noise. So it may not be a shielding thing.
I have both machines, and there really are some similar things between the two, which would be subject to a lawsuit, but not to the point of removing the machine from the market.
Apple has always been a company with dishonest competitiveness tactics, they sued any and all manufacturers that dared to release an all-in-one computer. Compaq already had all-in-one computers with a 13 or 14-inch display since 1994, for example.
Apple wanted to pull it out of the market, simply because the E-one was a better machine than theirs. In technical specs, the 233mhz imac was as fast as a pentium 2 ~350mhz, but what about games? At that time, the computer was basically used for 3 things: Editing documents, surfing the internet for a few hours at low speed, and GAMES. E-one had a mediocre graphics solution for hardcore gamers, but this ATI model was just perfect for the overwhelming majority of games released until then, the biggest benefit was the compatibility with Windows 98 and MSDOS, it had the video capture card , which allowed you to connect a VCR or video game directly to it. If a father or mother wanted to buy a computer and a TV to put in their child's room, this machine won by leaps and bounds. It also had some cute details, like the ability to play CDs even with the machine turned off, there was a small LCD display in front of it to select tracks, as well as a discman. It also had an integrated floppy drive, its screen gave the impression of being bigger.
I work restoring this kind of thing, I have a lot of technical knowledge, and looking at it 20 years later, I can see how it was superior to an iMac: The tube and flyback DO NOT usually fail on these models, you can easily find them with a factory flyback, which doesn't even make pops! The tube is not blurred (a sign of wear on the tube barrel), I have never found one that had something missing on the motherboard (even its capacitors resist well. The casing, even after so many years, still has the same color as when it was new .
The imacs, both the 98 and the 2001, are easy to present problems with flyback (mainly because jobs had the stupid idea to remove the fan in the second revision), the image tube after 20 years is already deteriorated and difficult to use 1024x768 with clarity, their cd drive usually fails, and they use a proprietary type , the speakers of iMacs tend to crack and break, and they turn yellow, lose their color (especially the blue ones, which end up turning green).
I'm not a fanboy, I love them both, but facts are facts.
I use to sell these for a living and Macs. And their call center was in the same town, so a LOT of their staff, bought from me and gave me insight. I could almost get them down to free with the rebates, coupons, and other items. Personally, at the time, I didn’t feel Apple case was that strong, but the argument that eMachines was terrible and Apple made a great case. I think the main thing at that time, was that eMachines, were assuming that Apple had set a standard, and the standard design shouldn’t be protected. Like IBM saying you can’t make a case a rectangle, and paint it beige. However, they didn’t actually argue that in court. I could talk for a few hours about these things. But, in the end they were garbage machines, with INSANE failure rates, so the world is probably better off that we had the experience and moved on.
I owned a couple of them and luckily, I never had any problems. They were cheap and just good enough to do what I needed, which were the only things that mattered to me back then.
@@jrmarcus Lot's of people had no issues, about 70% ;) but as the guy that had to warranty them, we only see the bad ones, and with the numbers we sold, and that high of failure rate, it was sometimes2-3 a day. Almost for sure at least 1 every other day. But during that "gold rush" era, with the internet booming to the average user, we would sell 4 a day on average. The main failure was the modem, or the integrated sound cards. We never repaired he emachines, we just gave the person a new one, and sent back any. Too hard to work on.
Honestly, just like the Apple DuoDock, if you never got on the internet with it, you had even higher odds of never having an issue. Because you would never encounter that buggy modem.
I mean that was the good news, you got a computer for like 100 bucks and if it broke within a year, you just got a new one, took, less than 15 minutes to do the exchange. The bad news, we often had no way to rescue the last years worth of content on the HDD.
I sold a number of these eOnes to a local guy who used them as internet machines in bars around town. The net was so new, people would get excited to try it at bars and this unibody build for the price was perfect.
(Note, I had one of the normal ones for a while I gave my little siblings for homework, they had that thing for a good 5 years, it was fine. Just remembered that.)
I had mine from 16 years old to 23 years old never failed but yea it wasn’t the best machine
I have one of the ATX G3 clone cases. Missing sidepanels. I restored it & still use it for my holodeck computer system. I will say, the RGB on all the incidental components makes it look way more like star trek when you're seeing it through transluscent plastic.
Hah, I still have an eMachine or 2 in my collection of computer junk. The later towers actually weren't too bad. I never saw an E1 until now though. Seems they included everything Apple *should have* put on the early iMac, but doing an almost direct copy of the design was probably not the best idea.😂 I also have one of those early iMacs, which surprisingly still boots up.😉
Emachines was still crummy sometimes. My mom bought a W3609 back in 06 with vista. Doesn’t sound bad until you realize it shipped with 512MB of Ram and a Celeron D 356. At least it was 64-bit?
I had an eMachine tower that I picked up used in the early 2000s. It had modest specs but it was reliable and I was able to do some upgrades. If I'd had access to an eMachines One I would have jumped on it in spite of the QC issues.
that squealing is probably due to bad capacitors. the 8-bit Guy had a Mac LC III that was making the same kind of sounds due to caps that needed to be replaced.
I mean maybe there is something to be said about the shape of CRTs limiting the overall shape to some variation of a box or “teardrops” if one didn’t want a bunch of empty space.
I have that etower you showed in the beginning of the video. It's all original for a few case screws and the power supply, thee keyboard, mouse and speakers are gone, it's still running Windows ME. My aunt bought it from a circuit city back in 1999 or 2000
Windows 98 has a bug where the system tries to get an IP address from DHCP even when the cable is disconnected, it takes a long time. Just set a static IP address.
I think I just disabled DHCP in networking. Not really sure but, I had my 450mhz Prentium II booting win 98(& SE) in about 42 seconds on average back then.
That startup also could have taken as long as it did if that's the original hard drive it came with, they do wear out over time. It likely didn't take that long back then and with a fresh Windows 98 install.
The absurd thing about this is that the iMac was actually almost the same shape as a Lear Siegler ADM31 terminal from the 1970s.
I've gotta find an old CRT monitor just so I can degauss it from time to time. It's one of those things that just feels awesome. I remember this on my monitors growing up, and that it wouldn't fire again immediately. So it just got better the longer you waited. Had absolutely no idea what it "did", but I do remember how satisfying it was to watch the screen wobble and that sound it made.
I had an eOne.. it was actually a good machine at the time. Loved mine
10:46
S U S
*5 seconds later*
YOU'VE BEEN XSERVED
(Bad joke)
The E-One is the definition of "Sure you can copy my homework but change it up a little so no one notices"
how do you feel about desktop cases, I wonder.
@@Holret IDK I am more of a laptop kind of guy
that's like claiming (Simpsons-style) that Malibu Stacey is a "new" doll because all she has is a new hat.
The audio noise (lack of filtering) is most likely bad capacitors, im sure it was not that bad when new, even tho its still a crappy sound system.
Interesting! I do have computers that are even older than the eOne and they sound fine-with the original caps! Maybe the eOne just uses cheaper electronics?
@@ComputerClan Well, you gotta reduce costs somehow, and im sure at that price point they went as cheap as possible. I have not seen the motherboard, but i would put my money on the caps around the audio circuitry being all el cheapo brand, leaky and out of spec.
_"Inadequate shielding... "_ Really? Or is it perhaps caused by leaky caps because it's a 24 year-old computer that was designed to meet a price point that is less than half that of the Apple? Did it make those noises back in 1999? I doubt it very much.
There was a pizza shop i used to go to a bunch that had one of these ontop of a drinks fridge being used as a TV. I remember it being there from about 2004 to 2009ish. I guess they bought it as a PC when it was new. Then once it got too slow just used the screen for a tv. They must of had it plugged into a set top box or just an old VCR to use a tuner.
I remember when these were new. Even back then I thought it was a bit rich that Apple would object to someone copying someone else's design.
Finally a new video in a billion years, keep up the great work Ken!
It's only been 3 weeks. 😂 But thank you!
It did feel like a billion years though
That’s why your videos are so good, you take your time making them….
This thing probably has bad caps and the HDD is failing. Replace it with SSD and Win98 will fly on this thing. And you can probably overclock this Celeron a lot.
I'm still not a huge fan of the verdict against emachines... Sure it looked close, but it wasn't really a copy once you get to the details, and let's be fair... Most computers look nearly identical, especially at the time. I don't think you saw HP suing dell for their beige boxes.... It's all a bit sad
My very first computer in 2002 was an eMachine
would the computer still be perceived as similar if the eone ditched the transparent scheme for a more boring beige look (computer and all accessories)
Almost certainly not. In 2000 frosted transparent turquoise and white meant "Apple Product" and to a lesser extent "item meant to be compatible with Apple product", and Apple had spent millions in advertising to make the connection with the public. And frankly it's a fanciful enough color scheme to choose that it was fair to not begrudge Apple that as their signature tradedress. These days their signature colors seem to modulate between white and grey metallic, which would be much harder to win a case like this with.
Emachines had a much stronger case for the teardrop design being simply a utilitarian way for an all in one desktop to be made at the time, but the colors were damning.
@@benjaminolson7206 yeah about what I suspected
I love the TV-output/composite on the side. Or is it TV-input?
Tbh the specs weren't that bad for the time
When the iMac came out my Mum was very confused because Immac was the name of a hair removal cream (its now called Veet. Maybe Apple sued them). She couldn't work out how these plastic things in the newspaper advert removed hair.
I don't really think Ken is "Krazy". More like "slightly unhinged"
I've probably become more tame over the years 😂
Part of me wants to amp up the crazy, tho. 🤔
Heh… the hard drive casing..
I have an eMachines PC. With an AMD athlon ii x2 255.. came with a GeForce 6150SE. Removed it from its case. Installed it in a atx compliant server chassis. Upgraded it to 8 GB DDR2, Gave it a gtx 750Ti and a PCI to 1Gbps lan adapter and a pcie to usb 3.0 internal and USB 3.0 A card. It runs windows 10 pretty well. It's also set up to run Linux Mint. I can boot into either.
I remember these contraptions. Back then we cooperated with an interior designer specialized in offices. A typical PC setup from IBM, Fujitsu-Siemens, HP and so on wasn't cool enough and a real Mac couldn't run Windows. So they equipped every desk they sold with THIS and we had to support it. It was crap!
You also have to turn off the memory check in BIOS.
And the speakers were bloody awfull using that unit. They often just stopped working without warning.
like the ASUS Vivo AIO All-in-One Desktop PC, 23.8” Full HD Touch Display, Intel Core i5 Processor, 8GB DDR4 RAM, 128GB SSD + 1TB HDD, Windows 10, V241FA-DS501T that is so much like the new imac
The eMachines desktop at 13:07 was the same one my grandma had back in the day. Fond memories of playing flash games on Internet Explorer.
Finally after LGR’s review of this thing, we finally got the Computer Clan’s review!
Robot Arena! I played that game so much when I was younger but forgot what it was called. Thank you for randomly unlocking that core memory.
The sound probalem might be because of how old the thing is. Sound problems usually come from leaking capacitors
There has to be something wrong with it. Shouldn’t be that slow booting up. Try changing the hard drive, replace the cmos battery, check to see if the memory is are matched up correct or one of them are bad, then I’d check all of the capacitors.
There's almost 800 comments, so someone's pointed out that a lengthy Win9x startup time may be the result of having no active network cable connected, right? Plug in a suitable network cable (or disable the onboard NIC in Device Manager) and I reckon that long startup delay will go away.
They weren't trying to copy Apple. They were trying to take an established good idea and improving upon it by installing Windows.
(i'm not a first-time Ken viewer)
Yeah but the idea (all on one pc with a crt) was actually a bad idea
Ugh, don't even get me started on Microsoft: I have so much evidence on why they shouldn't be involved with video games (in this case Minecraft) or make mobile apps (especially chat platform type apps) and that's enough proof for why they shouldn't have existed long enough to do either of those things in the first place.
I owned an E Machine desktop, upgraded every component over time, and it lasted for years. I currently use a 2010 Gateway Desktop w/ a Pentium i7, and a recent memory upgrade and SSD swap is keeping it alive 13 years later.
Finally a new video! Glad to see you do one on the eOne, especially considering that Clint from LGR did one on it too. Also, I knew you were going to have some moment you'd yell "Martha!" after you did that 10 years later transition and then transformed into old Ken, lol
I find it funny how job will go after other companies saying they copied his companies products but when he did it he said it was innovation.
gimme an example
Apple also sued someone made a rectangular phone with rounded corners.
Apple products seem to be designed with keeping parts as mediocre as possible while keeping the price as high as possible.
Should not have been banned. It was different enough.
Just think about how all phones and TVs look the same now. Heck, look at retail brand packaging in grocery stores... so much similarity.
all CRT tv's and monitors all had the same basic deign so the shape shouldnt matter
My family had one of these. It was crap, but I wish we'd held on to it if it's valuable now.
Hey, you know when this computer came out I was selling computers, and this thing was fiery competence in the eyes of customers, and even after the lawsuit it keep seeling in Mexico for a few years.
Why didn't you include Design Patent 413,105? "Computer Enclosure" by Jobs et al, August 24,1999.
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Anyone old enough to remember Franklin that cloned the Apple II by actually cloning the Apple II roms? Back in 1982 I was at a guy's house in Wenatchee WA and he was selling Franklin computers out of his garage when two guys in suits show up at his house introducing themselves as attorney's for Apple computer. I left, so I did not directly hear what was said. The gist was he had to immediately stop selling Franklins computers or he would be included in Apple's upcoming multi-million-dollar lawsuit against Franklin. Well, that was the end of that guy's side business out of his garage.
9:43 lmfao it sound like a boiling tea kettle
Great video! It has always been a “unique” machine, and even though it might not be the highest spec system, the large amount of ports does make it a cool All In One. “Wow, this new iMac can run Windows? And it’s Never Obsolete?? What a steal!” (After mail in rebate)
Kinda ironic that a scammer replied to you, given some of Ken's scam debunking. (I reported it as spam.)
Yeah it is, I guess they tend to appear pretty often nowadays.
You forgot one thing. Steve Jobs was behind most of these copycat lawsuits. After Microsoft copied his OS design Steve would never let that happen again.
Remember his suing HTC for copping apples lock screen slider
I worked in the warehouse of my local Sears when the iMac came out, and MAN did those things sell. We'd get a pallet in, and they'd all be gone by the end of day.
I actually own one of these in its box with everything including the mouse! Sadly when I booted the PC it made a small crackling noise and now the crt doesn’t work. The computer itself is probably fine. I definitely would like to find someone who could help repair the thing!
Throw it in trash where it belongs, along with the imac
0:12 Unfortunately thats not illegal. you can make something similar, but for example you change its color, littlebit of shape, logo and name. you practically made new thing.
many car company make similar looking car... they are not fighting. A best example is mouse, there is so many different type and shape for mouse. If i took your logic, you cant make a new mouse. But now company chane their logo, colore and wala new mouse.
In 1996, Bandai included a blue translucent colorway in the OG batch of Tamagotchi. Also, Tamagotchi had glitter in some of the translucent colorways. Apple could never 😜
See through plastic was quite popular in the 90s and early 00s
@@IsoMacintosh yeah, i was just very entertained as a kid that my Tamagotchi matched those iMacs and those vtech phones too. Add a inflatable chair and you were the cool kid. Simpler times. 😆
So Apple was upset that eOne was better made than iMac? :O
so apple stole a TV designed case and then says there is unlimited ways another company can deign a case .....
Many years ago my dad bought an e-machine laptop with a “warranty”. Except it was later revealed that the warranty didn’t actually exist, and they wouldn’t help my dad fix or replace his laptop… until he contacted the local news and they did a story about it. The company suddenly changed their mind and got my dad a new laptop. LOL thats all I need to know about emachines.
daft idea to have an all-in-one CRT pc when LCD portables were on the market. I see they backtracked from that 'hip' design direction when they worked out they were just making a cheap thing look cheaper
8:22 "still loading. MARTHA!!" made me laugh.
They were probably thinking Sosumi
Honestly, as one who obtained it for the remarkable price of free from a recycler (this means no hard drive, no accessories, and in as-is condition), the eOne isn't too shabby of a mid-range 98FE machine if you have a newer hard drive in there and have a RAM upgrade.
I had one of these. It was my first computer that connected to the internet. It was an aweful computer. I needed to get this thing services every few months, one of the only time I'm glad I took the extended warrenty. It finally completely died after a little over a year. Though I wish I held onto the keyboard and mouse.
If the system specs weren't kinda bleh even for the time, it'd have been a sweep little rig.
Never knew this computer existed! Thanks for informing us about this fake iMac Krazy Ken
The "floppy drive pinout on the original iMac motherboard" story I heard went like this: The iMac was developed hastily from a Powerbook G3 motherboard, and they didn't remove the pinout in the first generation. I can't find any reference for this story, but it does seem plausible.
the level of cope is insane, im sorry, i cant even finish this
These machines are a PAIN to open up, but once apart are nearly identical to a bondi blue iMac G3. The motherboard, hard drive and disc drive are all held in place by one screw in a basket cage style like the iMac.
Often times when you put the plastic bottom piece back on, you will contort and cut your hands connecting the AV-IN port grounding connector to the bottom piece. It is awful and if you don’t reconnect it, AV IN does not work
General build quality is atrocious. One of mine had its power port bezel fall out and my current 500Mhz eOne is missing its “boombox controls” door
Spoiler: When you replace the broken CD ROM drive with an aftermarket, the powered off music playing abilities stop working
I own and have owned several eOne machines. They are an absolute joy to use for basic tier computing. The CD-ROM drives tended to wear out and not read disks, so mine has a replacement DVD-RW. Faceplate doesn’t match but it works well.
Great video!
Mmmmm... If you put them next to each other they don't look alike, so there are clear and huge differences between the two
So what was so original about Apple's take on the VT220 terminal from DEC? Slap some translucent panels on it and a silly puck mouse and there you go. Apple get away with murder, it seems.
The E-Machine "squeal" is the result of failing to understand how "ground" works in a computer. The CD-ROM drive had a different ground voltage tie point than the audio amplifiers. The squeal you hear is this voltage differential across the ground plane, then amplified by the audio amplifier to drive the loudspeaker. Apple engineers had a good handle on how this grounding stuff works. E-Machines did not. In fact, most PC makers during this time ("CD-ROM multi-media!") had extremely noisy audio systems before they finally figured it out.