As a Norwegian citizen I would like to say Ja, vi elsker dette landet, som det stiger frem, furet, værbitt over vannet, med de tusen hjem. Elsker, elsker det og tenker på vår far og mor og den saganatt som senker drømmer på vår jord. Dette landet Harald berget med sin kjemperad, dette landet Håkon verget medens Øyvind kvad; Olav på det landet malte korset med sitt blod, fra dets høye Sverre talte Roma midt imot. Bønder sine økser brynte hvor en hær drog frem; Tordenskjold langs kysten lynte, så den lystes hjem. Kvinner selv stod opp og strede som de vare menn; andre kunne bare grede, men det kom igjen! Visstnok var vi ikke mange, men vi strakk dog til, da vi prøvdes noen gange, og det stod på spill; ti vi heller landet brente enn det kom til fall; husker bare hva som hendte ned på Fredrikshald! Melodi: Rikard Nordraak Hårde tider har vi døyet, ble til sist forstøtt; men i verste nød blåøyet frihet ble oss født. Det gav faderkraft å bære hungersnød og krig, det gav døden selv si Fienden sitt våpen kastet, opp visiret for, vi med undren mot ham hastet; ti han var vår bror. Drevne frem på stand av skammen gikk vi søderpå; nu vi står tre brødresammen, og skal sådan stå! Norske mann i hus og hytte, takk din store Gud! Landet ville han beskytte, skjønt det mørkt så ut. Alt hva fedrene har kjempet, mødrene har grett, har den Herre stille lempet, så vi vant vår rett. Ja, vi elsker dette landet, som det stiger frem, furet, værbitt over vannet, med de tusen hjem. Og som fedres kamp har hevet det av nød til seir, også vi, når det blir krevet, for dets fred slår leir.
Dane here! First off huge thanks for this look at our IC4 (or class MG units which is their technical classification), as someone who sadly hasn't yet had a chance to try them out, i personally really appreciate this video! Now on to some points: The whole IC4 debacle has been a huge scandal here, one that while not quite discussed as often anymore, is certainly still felt in the continued running of the IC3 and IR4 units (Not that i'm complaining 😉). As an aside, one of the main technical issues has been the brakes wearing down prematurely and initially having very poor performance, but it's certainly not been the only one.. The plastic bags in lieu of more traditional bins is in fact a choice made with the environment, as well as efficiency in mind. The bags are made from 100% recycled plastic, and you were gonna have some sort of bag in the bin anyway. Having small carrying bags like this also speeds up cleaning the train, as they just remove the outer most one instead of having to change the bag in each bin. Lastly the railway museum, absolutely worth a visit if you have the time in Odense! Aside from their fairly impressive collection of vintage and not so vintage rolling stock, they also have many smaller exhibits to gawk at, such as scale models of the Storebælt and Øresund Fixed Link rail tunnels! Again, thanks for the great vid! Hope to see more like it from you in the future! EDIT: Misremembered a fact about the trash bags, they're in fact not bio-degradable, just made from recycled plastic.
The IC3 should have been phased out decades ago. I don’t know why Denmark did not electrify its main railway lines on Jylland (the entire railway north of Fredericia) and DSB should have more electric locomotives and EMU in its fleet, such as IR4.
@@brsvang521 Oh i absolutely agree, but i think unfortunately the answer to that can be chalked down to the politicians in Christiansborg just not really wanting to pay for it back then. There's undoubtedly more to it than that, but i think that's the gist of it. Like i said though, as a huge fan of the IC3 I'm not complaining at all, even if i know they've been kept in service far longer than they really should. I was also massively saddened by the retirement of the ME's late last year, even if that was again wholly necessary.
@@patrickreuvekamp really? In most countries, even many electric trains from the 80s and the 90s have been discontinued from the service. So you think DSB should continue to use their out-of-date diesel trains for more decades?
As someone who travelled a lot by train in the 80's, there is nothing that will ever come close to beating DSB's IC5 and Silver Arrow units. Yes, they were much slower, but the comfort onboard was just amazing. Both of these trains had conference rooms for business travellers, as well as an actual onboard bistro. I especially loved the conference area on the Silver Arrow units, because it had that 60's gentlemen's club vibe with wooden panels, brown leather chairs, oversized ash trays for cigars etc. They tried this concept on the IC3 in the early 90's, but it was sadly dropped rather quickly.
Oh yeah! The Silver Arrow with the Boeing 747-like humpbck locomotive where the operators sat above the large diesel engine room. That was a marvellous train. Lovely comfort and both Fist Class and Standard was with the nice small closed compartments. That was truly business class much like flying in the 60's with tables and seats om each side facing each other. And the on board dining was amazing. Not necessarily haute cuisine, but at least a nice hot meal. God, I also miss the train stewardesses/stewards that Fame around regularly with their huge trolley with all sorts of chocolate, snacks, coffee, Tea, bedre, sodas, and a huge selektion of magazines and newspapers.
DSB is the national railway in Denmark, not the nationalised. It has never been private. It has during the years taken over som smaller local private companies, but the main route you travel has always been serviced by DSB.
Well, if we're being incredibly pedantic, DSB actually was formed by nationalising a few private companies, but that was more than 135 years ago. So yeah, in living memory, it's always been the national railway operator.
I really prefer the IC3 over the IC4, the IC3's do have a proper 1st Class in a 2-1 configuration. The seats are not very different from standard class. I think that is something Danish or so. In 2018 i spent 4 hours and 45 minutes on a IC3-train from Copenhagen to Hamburg (via the ferry you mentioned) and that was really amazing :D
The seats in all our trains are the same throughout. 1st is just about service, not comfort, but the whole service part is lacking since they dropped the catering. 1st also used to be the only part of the train that had wi-fi. Then they implemented wi-fi in the whole train, although it was always unreliable, and then everyone got 4G on their phones which is a lot faster, so they got rid of the wi-fi
As a Dane this is sad to know we have such a disaster. You can call it Tramline instead of Letbane for the English viewers lol, the automatic voice says it all the time for each station. I am very depended on this since I live at the very end of the line. The plastic trashbags are 100% recycled material, they generally take up much less space, and it says right on the bag that they would like you to take it with you and throw it out somewhere else if used. Idk what other solution you had in mind, the trash is gonna be dropped in a plastic bag regardless.
I dont see the disaster in it when i ride it. It is the most comfortable train in denmark. But i know it cant brake sometimes and i think that is the first thing you are securing first when you make a train.
In some other countries I've visited e.g. Japan the bins are only beside the doors at 1 of the 2 ends of each train car, so you have to walk there to throw rubbish. Maybe we end up using less plastic by having the rubbish generated by all passengers in 1 car be thrown into 1 same bag located in the sole bin by the train door? Or I guess that in some areas worried about bombs hidden in bins, passengers may be expected to bring their own trash bags & use them to bring their own trash out of the train
6:55 on the bag it says “The plastic bag is made of 100% reused plastic” But Its typically made this ways so if a person gets sick under the ride they don’t have to use a bin!
I travelled on one of those trains on that route 4 years ago and there were no problems. In fact, at the time I thought it looked luxurious. Then again, it would do compared to the Irish Enterprise that runs between Belfast and Dublin and which I sometimes use - and find fairly cramped in standard class.
9 years ago, while i was living in Denmark, they were still debating the issue of IC trains and how long it was taking from AnsaldoBreda to fulfill the delivery. Not to mention the myriad of problems they were facing. One famously stopped in the middle of Storebæltsbroen (The Great Belt Bridge), can't remember if it was in the tunnel, the bridge itself or the island, but thing is, it broke down, during the summer I think, with overflown toilets and hours before they were able to move them. Oh, and a journalist from one of the leading news in Denmark happened to travel on the same train, and imagine the story fresh from the source itself. And to top it off, Berlusconi gifted to Gaddafi (yes, that Berlusconi of Italy and Gaddafi o Libya), one of the IC4 train sets that were destined for DSB, further adding to the delays. Go figure it.
Yeah, I know. Italian shame. AnsaldoBreda is so bad that only with the recent acquisition by Hitachi Rail (so renewal of the dreaded Fyra V250, now ETR 700, building the italian version of Bombardier Zefiro - the ETR 400, maintenance of ETR 500, and building new double decker and hybrid EMUs) it started getting a bit better.
If you go to google maps, you can still see Gaddafi's abandoned IC4 lying in some unused tracks built for the purpose in the outskirts of Tripoli. It is unclear what he intended to do with it, taking into consideration that Libya has no railways XD.
@@osasunaitor it was a gift, considering the relations between Silvio Berlusconi and Muammar Ghaddafi. Then the Arab revolution happened and everything went so downhill it's still an open fight between the two Libyan forces, who deny each the existence of the other one.
Everything i wanted to say about this disastrous spaghetti train has already been mentioned, so i just wanna compliment your pronunciation of the Danish city names, for an English speaker, you are doing remarkebly well
I have never seen a train in denmark in such poor maintenance state! So far, I have only used the IC3 (DSB MF) the few times I have been to Denmark or I have used them on my way through Schleswig-Holstein (heading south towards Hamburg). I always say, the IC3 is the best an most comfortable diesel powered train I have encountered so far! It is a joy to ride. Sadly, I also have heard about all the trouble the DSB had with the IC4... But things are about to change as the electrification is finally on its way. New Vectron locomotives were bought and I have heard, DSB is about to use german IC-cars pulled by Vectrons from next year on on some routes. This will be interesting! :) So, thank you for this entertaining video!
I work in the IC4 somewhat often and in my opinion the the poor maintenance of train in the video is only a bit worse than average and he was lucky to not see some of the other common issues of the IC4, such as. > Internal doors not working. Could be sensors not working, slow opening, delay in opening and the everyday thing of having to manually open the door (and they can be very tough). > Really warm or super cold wagons from faulty air conditioning. There is a reason why DSB staff jokingly call IC4 trains “IC4 seasons” or just “the 4 seasons”. > Bad smell from the toilets. > Missing big bins (in the rooms outside of the But yeah, it's going to be nice with some new trains, and I really hope they will be a succes :)
Wonderful videos. Thank you! (I am from Denmark so the IC3 and IC4 videos are of extra special interest to me).🙂 Ha-ha: a small thing. Jutland is actually the only part of Denmark that is NOT and island (as you called it in the beginning) as it is bordering the rest of Europe in Northern Germany as you experienced when driving from Hamburg to Aarhus. So it is actually a peninsula.❤️ This was a brilliant video. I also liked The one on the IC3 where you also mention this disaster of the IC4 as the Italian contractor who won the bid - due to EU lunacy - never found a way to live Up to the high standards for safety om Danish railways, where all trains and tracks are monitored live by both computer and people, and as a train run a red signal or is speeding on low speed sections, it is either slowed down Aor brought to a complete halt remotely. The same goes for the automatic collision detection where trains registered by the computer to be on collision course on the same (or inersecting or joining tracks), will be brought to immediate halt remotely. The Italians simply couldn't meet the zero tolerance for failure during massive testing and has therefore been delayed for decades to the point where this has actually cost sitting governments reelection. They have been running around on tracks in Denmark empty (well with a locomotive operator og course and some IT and testing engineers, of course), and the time and again presented with either major or minor bugs, but as the safety margin in Denmark is ZERO, that did NOT fly, and in the end they never went in regukar circulation as the extreme high speed train to replace the IC3. Driving in the IC3 one would regularly see one of those IC4 trains run empty like ghost trains side by side with your own train. Now a few of them have been put in on some routes but a much lower speed where the lousy Italian merch meets the Danish standards. The dream was that they would make the Journey Aarhus-Copenhagen in just under 2 hrs, but that required them to run 225 km/h and that will NEVER happen.
Before watching it, I just wanna put in my own experience with it, riding it a few times shortly after it actually came in service. The very first ride I sat by the entrance, close to the toilets. Shortly after a lady had gone into the toilet and sat down, the door decided to open on its own. Rather unfortunate. By the time I had to leave, I got water on my head, probably from a leaking condense tube or something. I haven't ridden in them in essentially forever, but judging by the title just your intro, it seems not a lot has changed. A quick edit as I went along. Never trust the digital screens. The DSB 1 marking on the wall was correct. Bit of a shame though, since the price difference between standard and DSB 1 is ridiculous.
@0.50 Normally you are quite accurate in your narrative content, but I have to advise you Aarhus may be located in the part of Denmark known as Jylland (Jutland) as you state, but Jylland is not an island - it is a peninsula.
we call this one the 4 seasons because every cart has a different temperature. you basically just grab the one with the right temperature for you. they also kinda jump when you start from a standstill. when they work they are great to drive(as a train driver) but they rarely do.
Well I can tell you the IC4's have flexible seating and uses the same seats in first class and standard class, similarly to airlines in Europe, The same will be the case on the new Alstom trains, which are already given the name "IC5". Though the talgo trains that have been ordered for services to Hamburg will feature dedicated first class seats. The argument against them on the IC4's and Alstom trains are because of flexibility and the wide range of uses these trains are deployed on from long distance cross country, to short regional services. First class in Denmark doesn't mean much though. You get free access to a selection of newspaper as well as fresh fruit and coffee, plus if you travel during the morning you'll get a free complimentary breakfast. Thats it though. I'd just say if unsure, then just stay in the seat you got reserved in case you got 1st class. I know that the IC4's are specifically chosen for the Lyntog+ services because of this. DSB anticipates many more business travellers on these trains than other services, therefore designating a whole carriage for 1st class rather than just a few rows like on other services. And for comparison, on regional services with multiple units coupled together, one of the 1st class sections is downclassed, hence DSB's desire for a uniform and more flexible design. Also having dysfunctional toilets, broken tables, and delays big enough to cause a missed connection is the best representation of the average DSB experience anywhere on TH-cam
DSB MG ( IC4 ) are made by Ansaldo Breda ( now Hitachi Rail Italy ) Ansaldo Breda is also known for the V250 ^Fyra^ from the NS & NMBS wich was ment for NS HiSpeed line. but the trains ended up breaking appart really quickly, maintenance was impossible and trains where lituarly falling appart. and Eschede 2.0 was just waiting around the corner. These trains are now in Service as ETR 700 trainsets. basically untouched only optically changed and further developed
The Railway Museum in Odense is one of my favourite museums in Denmark, definitely recommend it. As for the diesel ICE4 was the most uncomfortable train I ever took. The jitters from the gearbox and engine vibrations made me wished I got off after 15min.
@@SuperalbsTravels Danish Railway Museum operates a DSB MZ 1401. In Sydney we, well I, love this loco variant as can still be seen hauling freight daily on inner city rail lines rollin’ with commuter services. Here nicknamed ‘The Helga’, ‘The Cake Tin’, and ‘The Toaster,’ maintaining its wonderful stainless - and stained - metal livery. Quirk meant Aussies bought several of these - and was continue to run old EMDs and relatively ancient locos with no dramas. Tho reputedly drivers whinge and moan about Helga’s due to driving position and accelerator wheel ...
The rubbish bag system in Danish trains I find as one of the most brilliant and simplest solution ever. The standard plastic rubbish bin is taking some space and limiting the space for rubbish capacity. When I was traveling in Alstrom IC trains in other countries, while sitting next to the window my space for knees was very limited by a plastic bin hanging down from the table. And you cannot do anything about it, like push it or decrease its size. In the same time, after placing 2 plastic bottles of soda in that bin (even though I squeezed them) there was no more space for other rubbish and the bin lead could not even close what disrupted to the table opening system. Anyways, normally every plastic bin contains a plastic bag inside (often the black one) that visually does not seem to look very attractive. So my question is, why do we need a plastic bin if we place our rubbish in plastic bags anyway? And those plastic bags used by DSB looks much nicer than black ones and they are ecological.
It truly reminds me of the Dutch Fyra project. The AnsaldoBreda V250 rolling stock was plagued with so many defects, including exterior panels falling off mid-journey, that eventually the Dutch NS sold the trains back to Italy. In the end the project cost the Dutch taxpayer about €10bn and unlike in Denmark, had no positive sides whatsoever.
It had positive effects: it stopped the regular flexible intercity service between Amsterdam and Brussels from being replaced by a high speed train with mandatory reservation and airline style ticketing. The current service has an issue with excessive pricing since it started to use the high speed line, but it could have been a lot worse.
the IC4 were also built by AnsaldoBreda, which is the main cause of the problems. The company was blacklisted in many countries due to the endless problems, but now that Hitachi has bought the company, maybe they'll be able to build working trains again
The trains didnt cost 10 billion but 400 million, and the HSL line itself costed 7 billion. The HSL line does have a positive effect on travel time between Amsterdam and Brussel...
The most stupid idea ever of the Dutch Railway company was to buy trains from Italy. Yes, the Italians can make great pizzas, but not trains ! In the past, trains were purchased by excellent Dutch railway engineers. No way that they would be fooled by wannabe train builders. But nowadays, procurement is done by unexperienced arrogant MBA boys who pretend to know everything about making “business deals”. But without any knowledge of the business they are working in. The best recipe for disasters like the Fyra trains.
Who knows why in Italy the ETR 700 trains, which had problems in Holland, work very well......Maybe because the Dutch only know how to smoke Hashish and open "sexy-shops"? Here are the Ansaldo-Breda ETR trains in service in Italy: th-cam.com/video/BNDydmtAnxM/w-d-xo.html
When I was younger I would go to the Odense railway museum every time I visited my grandfather and I would recommend it, it shows a lot of Danish locomotives
I'm surprised you found the seats to be comfortable. I used to commute on these disasters on wheels and my bakside began to hurt in less than 20 minutes. I possible, I travel by IC or ICL instead, as these are almost always operated by IC3 rather than IC4. As a sign of how bad the IC4s are, DSB are actually planning to phase out the IC4s before the IC3s. As a side not, there is no catering onboard any trains in Denmark anymore. The trolleys you saw were probably just used for storage of coffee which is provided for first class. The trolleys were phased out years ago, so all the facilities for them onboard are useless, including the lifts. The new IC5 units from Alstom will feature improved vending machine based catering. The IC3s already have a very limited vending machine for drinks. I believe the IC5s will feature hot drinks and some foods/snacks as well, but that might subject to change.
@@Mgameing123 Oh I have, on a regular basis too. Not gonna lie, I didn't mind them. By no means goods, but not as bad as the IC4s in my opinion. It might be because my standards for small, regional trains are lower than for IC.
I worked for SJ Städ (SJ Cleaning) when I first moved to Sweden in 1988. The replacement of the had shell plastic bins for plastic bags took place during my tenure there. In those days SJ had total control of everything with no outsourcing. To empty the train's 300 bins the cleaners had to bend down to pick it up, then empty it and then bend down again to place it back in the holder. That's 600 bending downs to the train floor for each clean. With the bags you half that and quite often the passengers take the bin bag with them. Another problem with the plastic bins was we had to remove them and scrape out the chewing gum once a month on second class and once a day on first class carriages. Although some countries have bins in the train foyers passengers tend to throw trash on the floor by their seat or wedge it in the pocket in front of them if no personal bins are provided. Therefore the idea of the plastic bag is a good one. If you understood Danish you would know the lettering on the bag tells you it is bio-degradable and environmental friendly. And much more so than the washing up fluid we use to use to clean out the plastic bins in our cleaning hut.
I have seen a bin fall of a train in my time! On a class 150, I was putting an item in the bin will leaving the train at the end destination(Leeds) and the bin fell onto the platform! Good times!
Denmark IS a very environmentally conscious country. The bags on the bag of the seats are 100% made of recycled plastics AND are 100% recyclable; that is what's written on them in Danish.
I love the video, it explains a lot of questions I had about these trains, like the existence of the lifts lol but goddamn, I had to double-check you're from the UK and not Norway or Sweden, because your pronunciation really sounds like it! not that it's bad in any way, just found it fascinating lol thank you for the video!
We had a poor experience on this train too; the carriage in which our seats were reserved had broken air conditioning, so we sat in a different carriage, but were then evicted from our seats when the train got to Fredericia and loads of people got on. We were missing half a train too, so ended up standing all the way to Aarhus. Imagine the ridiculously rammed 17:49 CrossCountry Class 170 from Birmingham New Street to Nottingham but with knackered air conditioning, and you'll get the idea.
When at the start you mentioned that the IC4 was designed by Pinninfarina and mentioned it had a lot of problems, I had a little look around... Turns out they were built by AnsaldoBreda... so yeah, I'm surprised they even got them running. The Dutch and Belgian railways (NS and NMBS) ordered their intercity replacement from them (Fyra), but the build quality was so shoddy the contract was dissolved... eventually.
From what I've read, the root cause of the problem was that there wasn't a lot of companies interested in building diesel trains, so Ansaldo Breda had little or no competition, and railway companies who couldn't use electric trains just had to accept Ansaldo Breda's low standards.
@@peterknutsen3070 Maybe Denmark should have started electrifying back then, refurbish/repair the IC3s and borrow trains to fill in the gabs (if borrowing trains is a thing)?
As a train driver of these trains, I have to admit that they're certainly not our best rolling stock. Our IC3 and IR4 (or MF and ER) trains are both more comfortable, less noisy and more reliable than this one, even though they're 15-20 years older. It must be said that even by the lacklustre standards of our fleet of active IC4 trains, this particular train featured in the video seems to be in a pretty sorry state. As a driver, they're reasonable enough for longer journeys, if you get one of the better ones. Unfortunately they're now more often used for regional train services, which they're honestly not well suited for due to a very clunky gearbox and slow acceleration. As a passenger, I think the only thing I actually like more about this train compared to the IC3/IR4 trains is the ample leg room - which is hardly that impressive for a much newer train. We're definitely ready for those new electric trains in a few years time, when we've got more overhead wires sorted.
As a former employee in maintanance I can add, that the traincomputer is always fooling us upon start up with way too many failure infos on the screen , having us running back and forth several times between the drivers stand and the panels around the train, shutting down and re-starting sub systems until later only few error messages are left. Typical reaction of the train driver at the hand-over when we report "all ok": "Nooo wayyyy!!!" 😅
AnsaldoBreda lmao 💀 - Fyra wasn't enough for them, one of these exact trains with a Danish train logo on its wheels was found by a Danish TV show in Libya as a gift to Gaddaffi, painted in their national colours (missing from Denmark's order) as his personal train lol (still visible from maps: 32.828791°N 13.111563°E) 🤣
@@SuperalbsTravels Yes, and it's not normal plastic which last for many years. This bag smoulders within a couple of years. If dropped in the nature it completely dissolves within a few weeks leaving no pollution whatsoever. But of course in the trains they are collected and processed in a recycling system.
I regularly travel FlensburgOdense with the DSB on the IC3 and they’re some of my favorite trains to ride on. I haven’t taken an IC4 yet, but its a shame they’re in such poor condition. But I quite enjoyed the Jernbanemuseum, it (and Odense) are definitely worth a visit!
I'm from Aarhus Denmark, and brother you got it just right. The trains aren't very good in Denmark, but on the other side, it's very ''Hygge'' to take a train ride through Denmark.
The AnsaldoBreda trains are like modern high-end games: The trains are delivered half-finished, but after a period of tweeks and quality-based upgrades they function fine and they kinda serve the purpose they were built for. Have a look at what happened with 'our' Fyra V250 trains. Delivered to The Netherlands as the next generation intercity/high-speed intercity express hybrids. Went down in the books as The Netherlands greatest railway failure, suffering from major malfunctioning performances as overheating, and above all; Bottom plating falling off the train during the test phase. The defaults were so severe, the project was completely scrapped áfter pruchase, and all units were sent back to Italy, resulting in major losses for ''NS Highspeed'' ('NS international' nowadays). The end of the Fyra V250 it seemed, back in o'12. Ten years later, the trains finally are up to scrap and operating.. Well.. Just fine as a B-train in the Italian high speed brand. So on one hand: we might need to give these units a bit more time to grow and on the other hand; why aren't these units properly functioning (at léast on a basic level) from day one?! It might get better, but then again; They are built by AnsaldoBreda so who knows. In the end; I think it's a shame the Fyra never really got it's current condition as one of our international services. 🤷♀🤷♀
AnsaldoBreda certainly suffered from severe and continuous reliability problems as a manufacturer. It jumped from scandal to scandal (there are stil a few more that you didn't mention) until it got purchased by Hitachi in 2016. It now operates under the name Hitachi Rail Italy, and I hope that the Japanese have at last managed to bring these pesky Italians under strict control.
@@osasunaitor of course it was just to paint a picture, and I'm definitely not surprised they're more stories out there, concerning the builder. 😅 If only they just deliver from day one.
@@MeesterMichelM As Hitachi Rail Italy they're building hundreds of new regional trains for the Italian railways called "Rock". So far they've been working nicely and, even if I find them quite ugly, they're confortable trains and way better than the carriages they replaced. Probably the management change has improved the quality control. On the other hand not all the AnsaldoBreda products were terrible: we have Sirio trams in many Italian cities, their automatic metro system is considered among the best in the world (and it's in operation in Copenhagen as well), the ETR 400 and 500 run most of the Italian high-speed services. Even the ETR700 (the old Fyra) now seem to be running without any major reliability issue after a minor refurbrishment: I don't know why, maybe the Italian workshops have a long experience dealing with trains of that specific brand
The IC4 does not work. It was supposed to run 4 and 5 sets coupled together. It can not run more than two. It can not fill the need for a long distance long train,
I was actually really happy that the whole Fyra project failed. This line needs a normal intercity service, not a train with mandatory reservation and airline style ticketing.
Beside electrification, a new signal system is introduced, which require the trains to be updated to that system. As mentioned earlier the new trains is delayed, so the good old IC3 workhorse will be upgraded to the new system. No one will waste further money on IC4, so they will be relegated to secondary routes without electricity and with old signals.
Of all the trains in the world, I never thought that Denmark would be subject of a joke. Even a "third world" viewer like me managed some few chuckles out of the video. I don't know which is funnier though, the train or your remarks about the news in the lounge which happened to be about UK politics
Indeed, trains in Denmark are really out of date. DSB really lacks of good rolling stocks. Being a foreigner living in Denmark, I just feel like trains in Denmark really suck😂
after riding the little version IC2 sold for cheap to private operator Astra in Romania where it's not used as a HST DMU since we don't really have track or planning good enough to reach more than 140kmh (and that's for small parts of the trip), but rather as a small DMU for commuting medium range at decent enough speeds and i agree ... for Denmark standards the IC2 and the soon to arrive IC4 are way sub par with all the delays and technical breakdowns ... for us on the other hand it's pretty decent even if a little noisy compared with the old Siemens Desiro DMU's we currently have (some are 20 years old now) with the state operator CFR ... and even with all the bugs stated here that are present in the IC2 as well, it costs just 12 euros for 166 km of travel out of which a third of the trip is through the mountains in about 2 hours and 15 minutes (and standard delays are between 5 and 15 minutes and it's usually due to poor planning and unnecessary congestion) giving an average speed of around 70 km/h which is pretty much only possible near the capital where the modernized railway is ... oh and it's way cheaper than a car trip and around the same time overall ... and you can have a comfy and relaxed trip so that's a plus oh, all of this is only if the train doesn't get cancelled due to major breakdowns :D
Because the Danish didn't wanted this train only some few trains entered service (the IC4 ones) the IC2 ones never entered service in Denmark (I think) so they were sold to the Romanian train company Astra Trans Carpatic and they entered service there in 2018.
I used one once, going back from Roskilde, and it didn't fail! Today they have been changed into "standard" Siemens Vectron Electric trains, which to my knowledge doesn't function that much better!!
You did not mention that they shake and rattle and are noisy inside from both the engine and the rattling and that very often you can smell the brakes and /or exhaust fumes. I measured the noise on 1 trip and it was 60 Db which is not pleasant but the maximum allowed noise.
@@SuperalbsTravels you can tell when the train sets off, that it really doesn't want to run. It's shaking and fighting for traction. It feels like a miracle when the IC4 finally gets moving.
Pininfarina and Ansaldo Breda also designed and built the Norwegian class 72. Ansaldo Bredam also bulit the Oslo tram SL95, which is now out of commision. Pininfarina also designed lok2000 (norwegian el18 and swiss re460) and fiat multipla
Exciting sight on the IC4 train! In many of your conclusions I will agree with you, but you were probably also unlucky with all the defects and open technical cabinets. Usually it's not that bad. Also, usually, coffee is also provided to travelers in first class on IC/ICL and ICL+. Personally, I think the IC4 is an good train to travel on, as it has good legroom, is spacious and allows for more privacy (in IC3 all seats are in groups of four). But, in my oppinion the most annoying thing is all the vibrations while driving and the loud engine noise. Is that something that you noticed too? PS. The Railway Museum is definitely worth a visit. Keep up the good work! Greetings from Denmark
Not all IC3 have 4 seats-groups. It's depending on what kind of IC3 you ride with or/and if had be rebuilt inside. However I agree, the legroom and seatcomfort is better in IC4 than in IC3 and IR3. I know lots of traindrivers and conductors hate working with the IC4-trains.
@@Flosk89 In all 96 IC3s (MF), all standard class seats are in seating groups of four, apart from eight in the quiet area. The layout of IC3 is the same in all DMUs. However, in the electric IR4 (ER), with which they can be coupled, there are differences from EMU to train EMU.
I remember reading about the soon-to-come IC4 trains and how great they were going to be in the DSB mag. It was in 2001. I was 13. To this day I have never boarded one.
reminds me of the dutch highspeed ansaldobreda trains, we only had them in service for a month because they literally fell apart... we sent them back to italy immediately after
The IC3 trains are fantastic and in my experience, they are in great shape too, it's embarrassing we still use the IC4 trains. Would you be interested in documenting the IC3 someday to share with everyone? Shots of the exterior, interior, the coupling in transit and such. There are a few different versions although I think most have the basic carriages with the lovely 4x4 seat arrangement and the gray texture with the old DSB logo. There seemingly exists almost no videos or photos of the trains.
Britain like Spain isn't the only place to introduce problem trains then. Just watched your report on the Spanish dual guage HST with articulated bogies even at low speeds. These problem new articulated design type of bogies for Spain today worked fine on the NER then LNER in Britain from 1911 to the1950's! Too much cost cutting in design and manufacture nowadays? I'm getting into your posts, liked and subscribed!
@@SuperalbsTravels Yeah! I wonder what you’d make of Australian rail?! Your vids encourage us all 2 compare and contrast WRT national system characteristics.
It’s so true. I actually like the Danish railroad. I think the IC3 and IR4 are great trains and normally in the old days they ran on time 4 the most days of the year. But when I started using IC4 because they were introduced to us as a regional service on west Fyn (because no one els wanted them) I stoped using the railroad because they broke down every secend day 😭 so I Bort a car instead and never returned to rail agin 😀
If I remember correctly, this Danish train was introduced around the same time as Dutch railways (NS) introduced the Fyra. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyra The Fyra and he DSB IC4 were both built by the Italian AnsaldoBreda. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC4 They both regularly made the Dutch news at the time. For all the wrong reasons. The Fyra was incredibly unreliable and bits reportedly kept dropping off. AnsaldoBreda blamed the NS for all problems, apparently telling the NS not to use them in snow! (For instance.) All Fyras ended up being sent back to Italy and are now being used by Italian railways as the ETR 700. Hopefully in snow-free regions!
The Danish railways are ranked as the third best in Europe, despite the lack of electrification and lack of high-speed services. This is due to very impressive safety records, and due to the high frequency of intercity and regional service. Electrification is sorely needed, but even without it, it's actually working pretty well. The least frequent train connection in the country still runs every two hours - all other lines are served every hour, or better. Many of the highly used regional lines have trains at up to 180 km/h, making them very attractive. In many other countries, regional trains tend to top out at 120-160 km/h.
There are 2 considerations for Danish Rail as it is currently : One is that this IC4 train by manufacturerer AnseldoBreda was disasterous for DSB railways. had they ditched this train and bought new trains in 2014 immediately the company would have been bankrupt. They could only subsitute them on a mediam term period (e.g. in 2 years ...), and for time being have to muddle through with this junk (even in a prosperous country like DK ..). In 2025 DSB will introduce a tested and proven 200kmh variant of the Alsthom Coradia . Second point is that you have to consider that Denmark consists of one peninsula and many islands. these sea barriers had an effect on (historical) fragmented rail transport. Only since the 1930s was Jutland connected with Funen island and the islands Zealand with Lolland, and only since 1997 (just 25 years ago !) the Zealand Capital Region is connected with Funen and Jutland by the Great Belt Fixed Link. Just for 25 years you can travel nationwide uninterruptedly by rail.. That is a fairly new situation for DSB and one evolving. And even more so with the Öresund bridge to Sweden (2000) and the currently under construction Fehmarn Belt fixed link (tunnel) to Germany ... That said, despite all problems, Denmark was 2nd, behind Switzerland, in the '2017 European Railway Performance Index' . With the highes marks of the countries, on the criterium 'safety' .... Let's say that most problems are with this very IC4 train ..
We have already 4 units, if i'm right, in Romania. Multiple breakdowns are recorded and also trains being canceled due to the fact that their owner/depot is in the west side of the country and they are used in south-east most of the time. A lot of people think they are great, due to the fact that our rolling stock is old (40-50 years) but the lack of reliability makes them not to be trusted.
@@epender yes, and a bunch of the IC4's are soon to arrive to the same operator and hopefully they'll setup shop in south east as this is where they're moving them mostly
So why does the title say "Avoid this FAILED high speed train!", when the only complaints seem to be one or two issues with the fixtures and fittings? It seemed to be on time, and there didn't seem to be any serious complaints about the comfort. Are a few not-shutting-properly access panels reason enough to avoid it completely?
The reliability is a massive problem with these trains, but of course if my train doesn't break down itself, then it's hard to highlight this beyond a quick mention.
If the comfortable seats are the only plus whilst all the rest ist lousy, it deserves the criticism. And a major issue is reliability as well as functionality.
Remembering first time going with the IC4 on first class. the ticket controller excusing the low standard of 1st class. Els no real problems on my behalf, been using it some times as regional train. Guess it will be stocked out when the new IC trains by Alstrom arrive. Similar trains are used as regional trains in Italy- so guess not a huge controversial train
@@francescobortot6157 They were delivered to NS who originally placed the order with a significant delay, and were pulled from service just 39 days after entry due to serious structural and safety related issues, with all models promptly sold. Saying they've had "zero issues since refurbishment" may not be incorrect, but it's leaving out a very important part of these train's history. And yes, there are a lot of parallels between the ETR700's issues and those plaguing the IC4 programme.
@@PopFizzelz An independent research established that those structural problems could be solved (in fact the minister of the time was forced to resign...Google the real story). Today the ETR 700 are working great, so great that they are "promoted" Frecciarossa (Red Arrow).
Yes, that is the danish first. It is a good deal to use first, if u do travel in the morning. You will get a breakfast as well as tea and coffee as well as an included reservation. And btw. Jyland is not an island.
I think it would be interesting to see a video about Finnish railways. Finland's passenger train service is rated as the third highest quality in the European Union. I am very proud of this as a Finnish train enthusiast. The trains are spacious and clean, although in winter the timetables can be disappointing from time to time due to weather conditions.
@@SuperalbsTravels That's because there's some sort of agreement with DSB and the owners of the 7eleven franchise in Denmark, and they sell train tickets (except at stations with their own ticket office)
7:21 thats a danish outlet, not the Schuko one that is used across much of europe, although it is compatible with CEE 7/17 plugs, essentially an ungrounded Schuko plug.
Thanks for trying to get the danish pronunciation right - with varying result, however: Aarhus sounded fairly authentic, while Odense was a near fail .) Did you know that you quite often can find the pronunciation in the (english) WP article on each place (and mostly correct) - provided you can read the global IPA script?
Uk coach operators started using the small plastic bag system 30 odd years ago to speed up cleaning and deter things like crisp packets being stuffed into crevices
Yes, the Danish Railway Museum is very much worth visiting. You can get up close to the trains and sometimes there's rides on a veteran train. I think anyone interested in trains and railways should pay a visit if possible.
The power socket is the uniquely danish "type K" grounded socket, of course for non-grounded plugs it makes no difference, but it's not compatible with the "type E/F" grounded plugs used in most of europe.
It's absolutely mind-boggling to me that whoever ordered this disaster didn't repeatedly go: "Oh, this aspect of the IC4 is definitely way worse than what we already have!"
The top speed of IC4 is 180 km/h, like IC3 and its electrical version ER4. The top speed on the danish train network is 180 km/h (with many exceptions). 2007? When I moved to Denmark in 2008 the IC4 was not yet in service for a couple of years. Toilets are a problem child in all danish trains, sometimes none is working. And some of them are not beeing fixed in over eight month. You were not sitting im the first class. The first class is only a small compartment at one end of the train. That one with the yellow stripe on the outside and also: That stripe is longer than the actual first class compartment. The first class never differs much from the standard in Design. The IC3 ones have more legroom and 3 instead of 4 seats, thus a wider aisle. You have catering service in that compartment ( that one directly adjacent to the train drivers stand). The interior of the IC4 is made of very cheap material and by now worn out and moving parts damaged for good. The trains are called "four seasons" for the temperature in each car is different and obviously cannot be managed. The coolest car in winter may even be freezing, while heated in the next car. In summer there's garanteed one sauna-car. The 8 so called "power packs" don't shift their gears synchronized. When rolling slow or accelerating you better hold tight for it can get very bumpy. In one periode I used the train (last train out of Copenhagen) after work: Severe delays or cancellation due to technical issues more than every other day!!
As I’ve understood, DSB bought a proposed electric train only to modify it to diesel electric, ic4. This caused many problems, mainly uncontrolled noise and vibration throughout the cabins. I sometimes had to use these trains for my commute back in 2012-2014. Usually I would wait for an IC3 or a smaller regional line to avoid the deafening noise. At the time, even wearing a headset on full volume would not drown out the noise from the IC4. In later years, the trains that do run have gotten better, but it is still a complete failure. The newer Light Rail from Aarhus have also been a complete disaster when discussing the regional section of the track. Denmarks track record with successful trains isn’t too good these days.
If it's anything like when i used to travel a lot by train, then DSB Første, isn't so much a different class, as it is just a section where you're expected to stay quiet to allow people to rest. That said, this is bad... not that it's ever been stellar but...wow...
The poor maintenance of train in the video is in my opinion only a bit worse than average, and you were lucky to not see some of the other common issues of the IC4, such as. > Internal doors not working. It could be sensors not working, slow opening, delay in opening and the everyday issue of having to manually open the door (they can be very tough). > Really warm or super cold wagons from faulty air conditioning. It's not without reason DSB staff jokingly call IC4 trains “IC4 seasons” or just “the 4 seasons”. > Bad smell from the toilets. > Missing big bins (in the rooms outside the main seating areas) I often work in the IC4, but I work for an external company hired by DSB. For work I prefer IC3, but I actually prefer being passenger in IC4, because I like the seats better, IC4 trains are so spacious compared to the IC3 and on the main routs IC3 trains are often PACKED with people. Also, I find IC3 can be very shaky and bumpy during the ride, maybe stemming from the tracks. Occasionally a IC4 train will do some crazy shaking in the very beginning of acceleration but I find it to otherwise be riding smoothly. Great video! I also very much look forward to the new trains!
3:38 to me the yellow stripes above the window line should indicate 1st class (the same color code was used for the former German regional trains (red carriages w yellow stripe for 1st calss))
for the plastic bags, an integrated rubishbin would still have a plastic bag inside you would just see less of it. The ones hanging free there are inscribed with "The bag here is made of 100% recycled plastic" and with you either taking it with you to dumb into a bin yourself or letting it hang, it's more accesible for staff to throw away, and this way it also does not take away from your sitting space. I know on german regional and local trains the integrated bin takes away a good amount of leg-space and is most of the time, quite dirty
Another advantage over integrated bins is that there is no cleaning need to be done and bad smell not an issue, which have annoyed me a more than a few times. I have sometimes seen DSB staff just empty the contents of the plastic bag into the big trash they have with them and then hang the small plastic bag back for "reuse". They seem to only do it if is very clean.
Let me tell you, Im from denmark and take the train everyday to work. 90% Of the time the trains are delayed, 70% of the time the train have a malfunction and it will get cancelled.
As a Odense resident with job taking me to Aarhus and Copenhagen, IC4 is always a disappointment - ever since it started to serve on my regional line taking me from a small city between Fredericia and Vejle to Vejle in 2008. My job sometimes pay for DSB 1', and yes - it's almost impossible to see it on the seats. 1st class is always in the x1 carriage of DSB trains - 71, 81, 21 etc - and are indeed marked outside by the dual yellow lines in the old grey and blue colour scheme. The railway museum can be interesting. There's a lot of old trains but also some cut through new-ish trains and a bigger focus for children. If you're spending a lot of time you might spend 4 hours - except for when Thomas the Tank Engine is visiting in spring. Oh, and while ICL+ requires a seat reservation, most lines in Denmark does not. (and luckily IC3 are usually, at least since autumn, serving the 15.55 departure)
Many thanks for this honest assessment. It was refreshing to learn that other countries have difficulties introducing new trains - we tend, in the UK, to think it's only a UK problem and often hear "This never happens in European railways" - well now we know better! Although I don't think even our privatised Train Operating Companies would allow a train into service with electrical equipment cabinets open!!!!!
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Dont worry Denmark, your railways are still much better than the ramshackle railways we have over here in Norway
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Could be worse, could be a class 142 pacer
As a Norwegian citizen I would like to say
Ja, vi elsker dette landet, som det stiger frem, furet, værbitt over vannet, med de tusen hjem. Elsker, elsker det og tenker på vår far og mor
og den saganatt som senker drømmer på vår jord.
Dette landet Harald berget med sin kjemperad, dette landet Håkon verget medens Øyvind kvad; Olav på det landet malte korset med sitt blod, fra dets høye Sverre talte Roma midt imot.
Bønder sine økser brynte hvor en hær drog frem; Tordenskjold langs kysten lynte, så den lystes hjem. Kvinner selv stod opp og strede som de vare menn;
andre kunne bare grede, men det kom igjen!
Visstnok var vi ikke mange, men vi strakk dog til,
da vi prøvdes noen gange, og det stod på spill;
ti vi heller landet brente enn det kom til fall; husker bare hva som hendte ned på Fredrikshald!
Melodi: Rikard Nordraak
Hårde tider har vi døyet, ble til sist forstøtt; men i verste nød blåøyet frihet ble oss født. Det gav faderkraft å bære hungersnød og krig, det gav døden selv si
Fienden sitt våpen kastet,
opp visiret for,
vi med undren mot ham hastet; ti han var vår bror.
Drevne frem på stand av skammen gikk vi søderpå;
nu vi står tre brødresammen, og skal sådan stå!
Norske mann i hus og hytte, takk din store Gud! Landet ville han beskytte, skjønt det mørkt så ut. Alt hva fedrene har kjempet, mødrene har grett,
har den Herre stille lempet, så vi vant vår rett.
Ja, vi elsker dette landet, som det stiger frem, furet, værbitt over vannet, med de tusen hjem.
Og som fedres kamp har hevet det av nød til seir,
også vi, når det blir krevet, for dets fred slår leir.
Australia would like a word
@@heidirabenau511 trains in us seem to be set up as long distance tourist trains.
Dane here! First off huge thanks for this look at our IC4 (or class MG units which is their technical classification), as someone who sadly hasn't yet had a chance to try them out, i personally really appreciate this video! Now on to some points:
The whole IC4 debacle has been a huge scandal here, one that while not quite discussed as often anymore, is certainly still felt in the continued running of the IC3 and IR4 units (Not that i'm complaining 😉). As an aside, one of the main technical issues has been the brakes wearing down prematurely and initially having very poor performance, but it's certainly not been the only one..
The plastic bags in lieu of more traditional bins is in fact a choice made with the environment, as well as efficiency in mind. The bags are made from 100% recycled plastic, and you were gonna have some sort of bag in the bin anyway. Having small carrying bags like this also speeds up cleaning the train, as they just remove the outer most one instead of having to change the bag in each bin.
Lastly the railway museum, absolutely worth a visit if you have the time in Odense! Aside from their fairly impressive collection of vintage and not so vintage rolling stock, they also have many smaller exhibits to gawk at, such as scale models of the Storebælt and Øresund Fixed Link rail tunnels!
Again, thanks for the great vid! Hope to see more like it from you in the future!
EDIT: Misremembered a fact about the trash bags, they're in fact not bio-degradable, just made from recycled plastic.
The IC3 should have been phased out decades ago. I don’t know why Denmark did not electrify its main railway lines on Jylland (the entire railway north of Fredericia) and DSB should have more electric locomotives and EMU in its fleet, such as IR4.
@@brsvang521 Oh i absolutely agree, but i think unfortunately the answer to that can be chalked down to the politicians in Christiansborg just not really wanting to pay for it back then. There's undoubtedly more to it than that, but i think that's the gist of it. Like i said though, as a huge fan of the IC3 I'm not complaining at all, even if i know they've been kept in service far longer than they really should. I was also massively saddened by the retirement of the ME's late last year, even if that was again wholly necessary.
Thank you very much for all the information. And yes, much more to come. :)
@@brsvang521 The IC3's were constructed starting from the late eighties. This really isn't that old for trains.
@@patrickreuvekamp really? In most countries, even many electric trains from the 80s and the 90s have been discontinued from the service. So you think DSB should continue to use their out-of-date diesel trains for more decades?
As someone who travelled a lot by train in the 80's, there is nothing that will ever come close to beating DSB's IC5 and Silver Arrow units. Yes, they were much slower, but the comfort onboard was just amazing. Both of these trains had conference rooms for business travellers, as well as an actual onboard bistro. I especially loved the conference area on the Silver Arrow units, because it had that 60's gentlemen's club vibe with wooden panels, brown leather chairs, oversized ash trays for cigars etc. They tried this concept on the IC3 in the early 90's, but it was sadly dropped rather quickly.
I'm looking for IC5 video. Thanks for sharing.✌
I believe those IC5 sets ended up in Iran!
Denmark your trains away are way better then our London overground and Avantis here in Watford!
Spiderman into the spiderverse< they have 1 train, so you can´t say they are better than in the DENMARK!
Oh yeah! The Silver Arrow with the Boeing 747-like humpbck locomotive where the operators sat above the large diesel engine room. That was a marvellous train. Lovely comfort and both Fist Class and Standard was with the nice small closed compartments. That was truly business class much like flying in the 60's with tables and seats om each side facing each other. And the on board dining was amazing. Not necessarily haute cuisine, but at least a nice hot meal. God, I also miss the train stewardesses/stewards that Fame around regularly with their huge trolley with all sorts of chocolate, snacks, coffee, Tea, bedre, sodas, and a huge selektion of magazines and newspapers.
DSB is the national railway in Denmark, not the nationalised. It has never been private. It has during the years taken over som smaller local private companies, but the main route you travel has always been serviced by DSB.
Well, if we're being incredibly pedantic, DSB actually was formed by nationalising a few private companies, but that was more than 135 years ago. So yeah, in living memory, it's always been the national railway operator.
@@papaquonis And boy is he being incredibly pedantic!
@@bugsygoo I wear my pedantry with pride (mostly).
@@papaquonis 🤣
DSB is a private company driving for the Danish Government, they can actually lose all their routes if outbidded if they fail.
I really prefer the IC3 over the IC4, the IC3's do have a proper 1st Class in a 2-1 configuration. The seats are not very different from standard class. I think that is something Danish or so. In 2018 i spent 4 hours and 45 minutes on a IC3-train from Copenhagen to Hamburg (via the ferry you mentioned) and that was really amazing :D
I prefer them too! I also remember the train ferry, what an incredible journey...
The seats on IC3 are much better than on the newer IC4 trains
They really don’t
The seats in all our trains are the same throughout. 1st is just about service, not comfort, but the whole service part is lacking since they dropped the catering. 1st also used to be the only part of the train that had wi-fi. Then they implemented wi-fi in the whole train, although it was always unreliable, and then everyone got 4G on their phones which is a lot faster, so they got rid of the wi-fi
The irony of that the IC3 is just as fast.. in theory as the IC4
I am watching videos about trains on a sunday at 11am and I am somehow enjoying it. Nice videos bro!
As a Dane this is sad to know we have such a disaster.
You can call it Tramline instead of Letbane for the English viewers lol, the automatic voice says it all the time for each station. I am very depended on this since I live at the very end of the line.
The plastic trashbags are 100% recycled material, they generally take up much less space, and it says right on the bag that they would like you to take it with you and throw it out somewhere else if used. Idk what other solution you had in mind, the trash is gonna be dropped in a plastic bag regardless.
I dont see the disaster in it when i ride it. It is the most comfortable train in denmark. But i know it cant brake sometimes and i think that is the first thing you are securing first when you make a train.
@@MulleMap The main problem of the IC4 train is mainly the horrible reliability
@@SwiffyDK yes you are right. But the seats are comfortable
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In some other countries I've visited e.g. Japan the bins are only beside the doors at 1 of the 2 ends of each train car, so you have to walk there to throw rubbish. Maybe we end up using less plastic by having the rubbish generated by all passengers in 1 car be thrown into 1 same bag located in the sole bin by the train door? Or I guess that in some areas worried about bombs hidden in bins, passengers may be expected to bring their own trash bags & use them to bring their own trash out of the train
6:55 on the bag it says “The plastic bag is made of 100% reused plastic” But Its typically made this ways so if a person gets sick under the ride they don’t have to use a bin!
I guess the main reasoning of the bags is that it's much less labor intensive (so cheaper) to collect used bags than to empty bins.
@@runeodin7237 yeah, also that!
@@runeodin7237 The bags actually ask you to bring them with you, to dispose of them outside of the train. A lot of people don't do that though
I travelled on one of those trains on that route 4 years ago and there were no problems.
In fact, at the time I thought it looked luxurious. Then again, it would do compared to the Irish Enterprise that runs between Belfast and Dublin and which I sometimes use - and find fairly cramped in standard class.
I do like the look of these trains, just a shame they are so broken... :/
@@SuperalbsTravels 0:31 I think you are very cute! ✌
9 years ago, while i was living in Denmark, they were still debating the issue of IC trains and how long it was taking from AnsaldoBreda to fulfill the delivery. Not to mention the myriad of problems they were facing. One famously stopped in the middle of Storebæltsbroen (The Great Belt Bridge), can't remember if it was in the tunnel, the bridge itself or the island, but thing is, it broke down, during the summer I think, with overflown toilets and hours before they were able to move them. Oh, and a journalist from one of the leading news in Denmark happened to travel on the same train, and imagine the story fresh from the source itself.
And to top it off, Berlusconi gifted to Gaddafi (yes, that Berlusconi of Italy and Gaddafi o Libya), one of the IC4 train sets that were destined for DSB, further adding to the delays. Go figure it.
Yeah, I know. Italian shame.
AnsaldoBreda is so bad that only with the recent acquisition by Hitachi Rail (so renewal of the dreaded Fyra V250, now ETR 700, building the italian version of Bombardier Zefiro - the ETR 400, maintenance of ETR 500, and building new double decker and hybrid EMUs) it started getting a bit better.
If you go to google maps, you can still see Gaddafi's abandoned IC4 lying in some unused tracks built for the purpose in the outskirts of Tripoli.
It is unclear what he intended to do with it, taking into consideration that Libya has no railways XD.
@@osasunaitor it was a gift, considering the relations between Silvio Berlusconi and Muammar Ghaddafi.
Then the Arab revolution happened and everything went so downhill it's still an open fight between the two Libyan forces, who deny each the existence of the other one.
Well, considering the train disaster of Denmark and tram disaster in Gothenburg… Never trust Italians to make trains or trams for Nordic environments…
corruption at its finest. The only good thing about ic4 is the legroom. nothing else on the ic4 works near as good as on the ic3 trains. Sadly.
Everything i wanted to say about this disastrous spaghetti train has already been mentioned, so i just wanna compliment your pronunciation of the Danish city names, for an English speaker, you are doing remarkebly well
I have never seen a train in denmark in such poor maintenance state! So far, I have only used the IC3 (DSB MF) the few times I have been to Denmark or I have used them on my way through Schleswig-Holstein (heading south towards Hamburg). I always say, the IC3 is the best an most comfortable diesel powered train I have encountered so far! It is a joy to ride.
Sadly, I also have heard about all the trouble the DSB had with the IC4...
But things are about to change as the electrification is finally on its way. New Vectron locomotives were bought and I have heard, DSB is about to use german IC-cars pulled by Vectrons from next year on on some routes. This will be interesting! :)
So, thank you for this entertaining video!
IC3 is Serie 594 in Spain
@@hermenegildoc3933 The IC3 is Danish design from late 80's
DSB is using Vectron to pull the double-decker carriages on Zealand.
DSB will be using Vectrons to run to Hamburg with DB InterCity carriages from April.
I work in the IC4 somewhat often and in my opinion the the poor maintenance of train in the video is only a bit worse than average and he was lucky to not see some of the other common issues of the IC4, such as.
> Internal doors not working. Could be sensors not working, slow opening, delay in opening and the everyday thing of having to manually open the door (and they can be very tough).
> Really warm or super cold wagons from faulty air conditioning. There is a reason why DSB staff jokingly call IC4 trains “IC4 seasons” or just “the 4 seasons”.
> Bad smell from the toilets.
> Missing big bins (in the rooms outside of the
But yeah, it's going to be nice with some new trains, and I really hope they will be a succes :)
Wonderful videos. Thank you! (I am from Denmark so the IC3 and IC4 videos are of extra special interest to me).🙂
Ha-ha: a small thing. Jutland is actually the only part of Denmark that is NOT and island (as you called it in the beginning) as it is bordering the rest of Europe in Northern Germany as you experienced when driving from Hamburg to Aarhus. So it is actually a peninsula.❤️
This was a brilliant video. I also liked The one on the IC3 where you also mention this disaster of the IC4 as the Italian contractor who won the bid - due to EU lunacy - never found a way to live Up to the high standards for safety om Danish railways, where all trains and tracks are monitored live by both computer and people, and as a train run a red signal or is speeding on low speed sections, it is either slowed down Aor brought to a complete halt remotely. The same goes for the automatic collision detection where trains registered by the computer to be on collision course on the same (or inersecting or joining tracks), will be brought to immediate halt remotely. The Italians simply couldn't meet the zero tolerance for failure during massive testing and has therefore been delayed for decades to the point where this has actually cost sitting governments reelection. They have been running around on tracks in Denmark empty (well with a locomotive operator og course and some IT and testing engineers, of course), and the time and again presented with either major or minor bugs, but as the safety margin in Denmark is ZERO, that did NOT fly, and in the end they never went in regukar circulation as the extreme high speed train to replace the IC3. Driving in the IC3 one would regularly see one of those IC4 trains run empty like ghost trains side by side with your own train. Now a few of them have been put in on some routes but a much lower speed where the lousy Italian merch meets the Danish standards. The dream was that they would make the Journey Aarhus-Copenhagen in just under 2 hrs, but that required them to run 225 km/h and that will NEVER happen.
Before watching it, I just wanna put in my own experience with it, riding it a few times shortly after it actually came in service. The very first ride I sat by the entrance, close to the toilets. Shortly after a lady had gone into the toilet and sat down, the door decided to open on its own. Rather unfortunate. By the time I had to leave, I got water on my head, probably from a leaking condense tube or something.
I haven't ridden in them in essentially forever, but judging by the title just your intro, it seems not a lot has changed.
A quick edit as I went along. Never trust the digital screens. The DSB 1 marking on the wall was correct. Bit of a shame though, since the price difference between standard and DSB 1 is ridiculous.
@0.50 Normally you are quite accurate in your narrative content, but I have to advise you Aarhus may be located in the part of Denmark known as Jylland (Jutland) as you state, but Jylland is not an island - it is a peninsula.
Oops, thanks for the correction!
"sit here and watch my own country fall apart"
That's why I subscribe to you mate!
Hahahahahaha 🤣
we call this one the 4 seasons because every cart has a different temperature. you basically just grab the one with the right temperature for you. they also kinda jump when you start from a standstill. when they work they are great to drive(as a train driver) but they rarely do.
Well I can tell you the IC4's have flexible seating and uses the same seats in first class and standard class, similarly to airlines in Europe, The same will be the case on the new Alstom trains, which are already given the name "IC5". Though the talgo trains that have been ordered for services to Hamburg will feature dedicated first class seats. The argument against them on the IC4's and Alstom trains are because of flexibility and the wide range of uses these trains are deployed on from long distance cross country, to short regional services.
First class in Denmark doesn't mean much though. You get free access to a selection of newspaper as well as fresh fruit and coffee, plus if you travel during the morning you'll get a free complimentary breakfast. Thats it though.
I'd just say if unsure, then just stay in the seat you got reserved in case you got 1st class. I know that the IC4's are specifically chosen for the Lyntog+ services because of this. DSB anticipates many more business travellers on these trains than other services, therefore designating a whole carriage for 1st class rather than just a few rows like on other services. And for comparison, on regional services with multiple units coupled together, one of the 1st class sections is downclassed, hence DSB's desire for a uniform and more flexible design.
Also having dysfunctional toilets, broken tables, and delays big enough to cause a missed connection is the best representation of the average DSB experience anywhere on TH-cam
Haha, thank you for the comment! 😅
I haven't travelled in Denmark for some years now, it was nice to see how it looks. Parts of my extended family still live there.
Your pronunciation and enunciation are impeccable.✌
Thank you very much! :)
DSB MG ( IC4 ) are made by Ansaldo Breda ( now Hitachi Rail Italy )
Ansaldo Breda is also known for the V250 ^Fyra^ from the NS & NMBS wich was ment for NS HiSpeed line. but the trains ended up breaking appart really quickly, maintenance was impossible and trains where lituarly falling appart. and Eschede 2.0 was just waiting around the corner.
These trains are now in Service as ETR 700 trainsets. basically untouched only optically changed and further developed
The Railway Museum in Odense is one of my favourite museums in Denmark, definitely recommend it. As for the diesel ICE4 was the most uncomfortable train I ever took. The jitters from the gearbox and engine vibrations made me wished I got off after 15min.
Thanks for the suggestion, I will try to visit it!
@@SuperalbsTravels Danish Railway Museum operates a DSB MZ 1401. In Sydney we, well I, love this loco variant as can still be seen hauling freight daily on inner city rail lines rollin’ with commuter services. Here nicknamed ‘The Helga’, ‘The Cake Tin’, and ‘The Toaster,’ maintaining its wonderful stainless - and stained - metal livery. Quirk meant Aussies bought several of these - and was continue to run old EMDs and relatively ancient locos with no dramas. Tho reputedly drivers whinge and moan about Helga’s due to driving position and accelerator wheel ...
The rubbish bag system in Danish trains I find as one of the most brilliant and simplest solution ever. The standard plastic rubbish bin is taking some space and limiting the space for rubbish capacity. When I was traveling in Alstrom IC trains in other countries, while sitting next to the window my space for knees was very limited by a plastic bin hanging down from the table. And you cannot do anything about it, like push it or decrease its size. In the same time, after placing 2 plastic bottles of soda in that bin (even though I squeezed them) there was no more space for other rubbish and the bin lead could not even close what disrupted to the table opening system. Anyways, normally every plastic bin contains a plastic bag inside (often the black one) that visually does not seem to look very attractive. So my question is, why do we need a plastic bin if we place our rubbish in plastic bags anyway? And those plastic bags used by DSB looks much nicer than black ones and they are ecological.
It truly reminds me of the Dutch Fyra project. The AnsaldoBreda V250 rolling stock was plagued with so many defects, including exterior panels falling off mid-journey, that eventually the Dutch NS sold the trains back to Italy. In the end the project cost the Dutch taxpayer about €10bn and unlike in Denmark, had no positive sides whatsoever.
It had positive effects: it stopped the regular flexible intercity service between Amsterdam and Brussels from being replaced by a high speed train with mandatory reservation and airline style ticketing. The current service has an issue with excessive pricing since it started to use the high speed line, but it could have been a lot worse.
the IC4 were also built by AnsaldoBreda, which is the main cause of the problems. The company was blacklisted in many countries due to the endless problems, but now that Hitachi has bought the company, maybe they'll be able to build working trains again
The trains didnt cost 10 billion but 400 million, and the HSL line itself costed 7 billion. The HSL line does have a positive effect on travel time between Amsterdam and Brussel...
The most stupid idea ever of the Dutch Railway company was to buy trains from Italy. Yes, the Italians can make great pizzas, but not trains ! In the past, trains were purchased by excellent Dutch railway engineers. No way that they would be fooled by wannabe train builders. But nowadays, procurement is done by unexperienced arrogant MBA boys who pretend to know everything about making “business deals”. But without any knowledge of the business they are working in. The best recipe for disasters like the Fyra trains.
Who knows why in Italy the ETR 700 trains, which had problems in Holland, work very well......Maybe because the Dutch only know how to smoke Hashish and open "sexy-shops"?
Here are the Ansaldo-Breda ETR trains in service in Italy: th-cam.com/video/BNDydmtAnxM/w-d-xo.html
When I was younger I would go to the Odense railway museum every time I visited my grandfather and I would recommend it, it shows a lot of Danish locomotives
Sounds great! I will try and visit one day.
I'm surprised you found the seats to be comfortable. I used to commute on these disasters on wheels and my bakside began to hurt in less than 20 minutes. I possible, I travel by IC or ICL instead, as these are almost always operated by IC3 rather than IC4. As a sign of how bad the IC4s are, DSB are actually planning to phase out the IC4s before the IC3s.
As a side not, there is no catering onboard any trains in Denmark anymore. The trolleys you saw were probably just used for storage of coffee which is provided for first class. The trolleys were phased out years ago, so all the facilities for them onboard are useless, including the lifts. The new IC5 units from Alstom will feature improved vending machine based catering. The IC3s already have a very limited vending machine for drinks. I believe the IC5s will feature hot drinks and some foods/snacks as well, but that might subject to change.
Try riding a Lint 41 then you will repect the seats of the IC4.
@@Mgameing123 Oh I have, on a regular basis too. Not gonna lie, I didn't mind them. By no means goods, but not as bad as the IC4s in my opinion. It might be because my standards for small, regional trains are lower than for IC.
@@cheesekingofdenmark6910 Wierd. For me the seats on the lint (Arriva) are shit. Even Aarhus Letbane has better seats.
Yeah I thought they were alright! But the IC3 is better of course. :)
I have to lay down because the 💺 are so bad for my bad back. 😢
I worked for SJ Städ (SJ Cleaning) when I first moved to Sweden in 1988. The replacement of the had shell plastic bins for plastic bags took place during my tenure there.
In those days SJ had total control of everything with no outsourcing. To empty the train's 300 bins the cleaners had to bend down to pick it up, then empty it and then bend down again to place it back in the holder. That's 600 bending downs to the train floor for each clean. With the bags you half that and quite often the passengers take the bin bag with them. Another problem with the plastic bins was we had to remove them and scrape out the chewing gum once a month on second class and once a day on first class carriages.
Although some countries have bins in the train foyers passengers tend to throw trash on the floor by their seat or wedge it in the pocket in front of them if no personal bins are provided.
Therefore the idea of the plastic bag is a good one. If you understood Danish you would know the lettering on the bag tells you it is bio-degradable and environmental friendly. And much more so than the washing up fluid we use to use to clean out the plastic bins in our cleaning hut.
Great trip. I think this train is better having all standard class onboard, rather than First Class but using Standard Class Seat Configuration.
I agree, it just seems like a rip-off to be honest...
I have seen a bin fall of a train in my time! On a class 150, I was putting an item in the bin will leaving the train at the end destination(Leeds) and the bin fell onto the platform! Good times!
The Museum in Odesne is definetly worth it to visit. Where there two times with one ride on a steam train and it was really nice
Denmark IS a very environmentally conscious country. The bags on the bag of the seats are 100% made of recycled plastics AND are 100% recyclable; that is what's written on them in Danish.
yea lol ion know what else it wouldv been made out of.
Mf cardboard would be disasterous
I love the video, it explains a lot of questions I had about these trains, like the existence of the lifts lol
but goddamn, I had to double-check you're from the UK and not Norway or Sweden, because your pronunciation really sounds like it! not that it's bad in any way, just found it fascinating lol
thank you for the video!
The IC3 seats are unbeatable. Every carriage has the 4 seat + table configuration. It's so consistent and clean. Do you like the IC3?
I actually did one from Hamburg to Aarhus! It was a much nicer trip, but I'll make a video soon... :)
@@SuperalbsTravels Great. Can't wait.
We had a poor experience on this train too; the carriage in which our seats were reserved had broken air conditioning, so we sat in a different carriage, but were then evicted from our seats when the train got to Fredericia and loads of people got on. We were missing half a train too, so ended up standing all the way to Aarhus. Imagine the ridiculously rammed 17:49 CrossCountry Class 170 from Birmingham New Street to Nottingham but with knackered air conditioning, and you'll get the idea.
When at the start you mentioned that the IC4 was designed by Pinninfarina and mentioned it had a lot of problems, I had a little look around...
Turns out they were built by AnsaldoBreda... so yeah, I'm surprised they even got them running. The Dutch and Belgian railways (NS and NMBS) ordered their intercity replacement from them (Fyra), but the build quality was so shoddy the contract was dissolved... eventually.
From what I've read, the root cause of the problem was that there wasn't a lot of companies interested in building diesel trains, so Ansaldo Breda had little or no competition, and railway companies who couldn't use electric trains just had to accept Ansaldo Breda's low standards.
@@peterknutsen3070 Maybe Denmark should have started electrifying back then, refurbish/repair the IC3s and borrow trains to fill in the gabs (if borrowing trains is a thing)?
The railway museum is def a must see, have so much history and evreything is even translated into english for you.
As a train driver of these trains, I have to admit that they're certainly not our best rolling stock. Our IC3 and IR4 (or MF and ER) trains are both more comfortable, less noisy and more reliable than this one, even though they're 15-20 years older. It must be said that even by the lacklustre standards of our fleet of active IC4 trains, this particular train featured in the video seems to be in a pretty sorry state.
As a driver, they're reasonable enough for longer journeys, if you get one of the better ones. Unfortunately they're now more often used for regional train services, which they're honestly not well suited for due to a very clunky gearbox and slow acceleration.
As a passenger, I think the only thing I actually like more about this train compared to the IC3/IR4 trains is the ample leg room - which is hardly that impressive for a much newer train. We're definitely ready for those new electric trains in a few years time, when we've got more overhead wires sorted.
Thanks for the insightful comment! I agree about the legroom, it's so generous. :)
As a former employee in maintanance I can add, that the traincomputer is always fooling us upon start up with way too many failure infos on the screen , having us running back and forth several times between the drivers stand and the panels around the train, shutting down and re-starting sub systems until later only few error messages are left.
Typical reaction of the train driver at the hand-over when we report "all ok": "Nooo wayyyy!!!" 😅
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AnsaldoBreda lmao 💀 - Fyra wasn't enough for them, one of these exact trains with a Danish train logo on its wheels was found by a Danish TV show in Libya as a gift to Gaddaffi, painted in their national colours (missing from Denmark's order) as his personal train lol (still visible from maps: 32.828791°N 13.111563°E) 🤣
the Italian-Lybian relationship in the late 00s / early 10s was really something.
Lol, I love how one went to Libya, what a scandal the whole project is.
@@SuperalbsTravels You cannot blame Ansaldo for the train in Libya - that was sent as a gift from Silvio Berlusconi.
You did very good with the pronunciations, and good job at not laughing at Middelfart lol
The buyer is called Astra Trans Carpatic. Is one of the private operators from Romania.
Oh, I didn't know they were getting the IC4 as well?
@@SuperalbsTravels These trains are stocked, clean and good.
12:42 this line is also, where one of the last ICE TDs were still in passenger service.
True! What a fascinating train they were...
6:50 it says on the plastic bag that it is 100% recycled, so denmark is also actually the most ECO friendly cpountry in europe i think
Aha, interesting thank you!
@@SuperalbsTravels Yes, and it's not normal plastic which last for many years. This bag smoulders within a couple of years. If dropped in the nature it completely dissolves within a few weeks leaving no pollution whatsoever. But of course in the trains they are collected and processed in a recycling system.
Thanks for really giving a review. And all the background information.
Glad you enjoyed it, there's a lot more just like it on my channel! 😁
I regularly travel FlensburgOdense with the DSB on the IC3 and they’re some of my favorite trains to ride on. I haven’t taken an IC4 yet, but its a shame they’re in such poor condition. But I quite enjoyed the Jernbanemuseum, it (and Odense) are definitely worth a visit!
I'm from Aarhus Denmark, and brother you got it just right. The trains aren't very good in Denmark, but on the other side, it's very ''Hygge'' to take a train ride through Denmark.
a former general director of DSB once said "Who said that it should be a joy to take the train?"
The AnsaldoBreda trains are like modern high-end games: The trains are delivered half-finished, but after a period of tweeks and quality-based upgrades they function fine and they kinda serve the purpose they were built for.
Have a look at what happened with 'our' Fyra V250 trains. Delivered to The Netherlands as the next generation intercity/high-speed intercity express hybrids. Went down in the books as The Netherlands greatest railway failure, suffering from major malfunctioning performances as overheating, and above all; Bottom plating falling off the train during the test phase. The defaults were so severe, the project was completely scrapped áfter pruchase, and all units were sent back to Italy, resulting in major losses for ''NS Highspeed'' ('NS international' nowadays). The end of the Fyra V250 it seemed, back in o'12.
Ten years later, the trains finally are up to scrap and operating.. Well.. Just fine as a B-train in the Italian high speed brand.
So on one hand: we might need to give these units a bit more time to grow and on the other hand; why aren't these units properly functioning (at léast on a basic level) from day one?!
It might get better, but then again; They are built by AnsaldoBreda so who knows.
In the end; I think it's a shame the Fyra never really got it's current condition as one of our international services. 🤷♀🤷♀
AnsaldoBreda certainly suffered from severe and continuous reliability problems as a manufacturer. It jumped from scandal to scandal (there are stil a few more that you didn't mention) until it got purchased by Hitachi in 2016. It now operates under the name Hitachi Rail Italy, and I hope that the Japanese have at last managed to bring these pesky Italians under strict control.
@@osasunaitor of course it was just to paint a picture, and I'm definitely not surprised they're more stories out there, concerning the builder. 😅 If only they just deliver from day one.
@@MeesterMichelM As Hitachi Rail Italy they're building hundreds of new regional trains for the Italian railways called "Rock". So far they've been working nicely and, even if I find them quite ugly, they're confortable trains and way better than the carriages they replaced. Probably the management change has improved the quality control.
On the other hand not all the AnsaldoBreda products were terrible: we have Sirio trams in many Italian cities, their automatic metro system is considered among the best in the world (and it's in operation in Copenhagen as well), the ETR 400 and 500 run most of the Italian high-speed services. Even the ETR700 (the old Fyra) now seem to be running without any major reliability issue after a minor refurbrishment: I don't know why, maybe the Italian workshops have a long experience dealing with trains of that specific brand
The IC4 does not work. It was supposed to run 4 and 5 sets coupled together. It can not run more than two.
It can not fill the need for a long distance long train,
I was actually really happy that the whole Fyra project failed. This line needs a normal intercity service, not a train with mandatory reservation and airline style ticketing.
Beside electrification, a new signal system is introduced, which require the trains to be updated to that system.
As mentioned earlier the new trains is delayed, so the good old IC3 workhorse will be upgraded to the new system.
No one will waste further money on IC4, so they will be relegated to secondary routes without electricity and with old signals.
Of all the trains in the world, I never thought that Denmark would be subject of a joke. Even a "third world" viewer like me managed some few chuckles out of the video. I don't know which is funnier though, the train or your remarks about the news in the lounge which happened to be about UK politics
Indeed, trains in Denmark are really out of date. DSB really lacks of good rolling stocks. Being a foreigner living in Denmark, I just feel like trains in Denmark really suck😂
Hahaha, plenty of 'jokes' in this video. 😉
after riding the little version IC2 sold for cheap to private operator Astra in Romania where it's not used as a HST DMU since we don't really have track or planning good enough to reach more than 140kmh (and that's for small parts of the trip), but rather as a small DMU for commuting medium range at decent enough speeds and i agree ... for Denmark standards the IC2 and the soon to arrive IC4 are way sub par with all the delays and technical breakdowns ...
for us on the other hand it's pretty decent even if a little noisy compared with the old Siemens Desiro DMU's we currently have (some are 20 years old now) with the state operator CFR ... and even with all the bugs stated here that are present in the IC2 as well, it costs just 12 euros for 166 km of travel out of which a third of the trip is through the mountains in about 2 hours and 15 minutes (and standard delays are between 5 and 15 minutes and it's usually due to poor planning and unnecessary congestion) giving an average speed of around 70 km/h which is pretty much only possible near the capital where the modernized railway is ... oh and it's way cheaper than a car trip and around the same time overall ... and you can have a comfy and relaxed trip so that's a plus
oh, all of this is only if the train doesn't get cancelled due to major breakdowns :D
Because the Danish didn't wanted this train only some few trains entered service (the IC4 ones) the IC2 ones never entered service in Denmark (I think) so they were sold to the Romanian train company Astra Trans Carpatic and they entered service there in 2018.
DSB only use around 40-50 IC4 out of 82.
The IC2 went to service for a short period but later sold or scrapped.
I used one once, going back from Roskilde, and it didn't fail! Today they have been changed into "standard" Siemens Vectron Electric trains, which to my knowledge doesn't function that much better!!
You did not mention that they shake and rattle and are noisy inside from both the engine and the rattling and that very often you can smell the brakes and /or exhaust fumes. I measured the noise on 1 trip and it was 60 Db which is not pleasant but the maximum allowed noise.
Can't say I had that much of a problem in that regard! Do all carriages have engines? Mine wasn't too loud.
@@SuperalbsTravels you can tell when the train sets off, that it really doesn't want to run. It's shaking and fighting for traction. It feels like a miracle when the IC4 finally gets moving.
Pininfarina and Ansaldo Breda also designed and built the Norwegian class 72. Ansaldo Bredam also bulit the Oslo tram SL95, which is now out of commision. Pininfarina also designed lok2000 (norwegian el18 and swiss re460) and fiat multipla
The fact one ended up in Libya is even more hilarious as it was from DSB’s order
Hahahaha, it's hard to even believe that happened, but of course it actually did! 🤣
@@SuperalbsTravels Exactly!
@@SuperalbsTravels Well with a prime minister as Silvio Berlusconi anyting can happen (he was the one, who gifted it to Gaddafi).
We also have this model in Romania. It was bought by a Romania private operator Astra Trans Carpatic, 2nd hand from Norway
Exciting sight on the IC4 train! In many of your conclusions I will agree with you, but you were probably also unlucky with all the defects and open technical cabinets. Usually it's not that bad.
Also, usually, coffee is also provided to travelers in first class on IC/ICL and ICL+.
Personally, I think the IC4 is an good train to travel on, as it has good legroom, is spacious and allows for more privacy (in IC3 all seats are in groups of four). But, in my oppinion the most annoying thing is all the vibrations while driving and the loud engine noise. Is that something that you noticed too?
PS. The Railway Museum is definitely worth a visit.
Keep up the good work!
Greetings from Denmark
Not all IC3 have 4 seats-groups. It's depending on what kind of IC3 you ride with or/and if had be rebuilt inside. However I agree, the legroom and seatcomfort is better in IC4 than in IC3 and IR3.
I know lots of traindrivers and conductors hate working with the IC4-trains.
@@Flosk89 In all 96 IC3s (MF), all standard class seats are in seating groups of four, apart from eight in the quiet area. The layout of IC3 is the same in all DMUs.
However, in the electric IR4 (ER), with which they can be coupled, there are differences from EMU to train EMU.
Thanks, glad to hear I was just unlucky, and they're not all this bad though.
I remember reading about the soon-to-come IC4 trains and how great they were going to be in the DSB mag. It was in 2001. I was 13. To this day I have never boarded one.
reminds me of the dutch highspeed ansaldobreda trains, we only had them in service for a month because they literally fell apart... we sent them back to italy immediately after
You're not gonna believe this, but they were built by the same company!
@@SuperalbsTravels doesn't surprise me at all 😐
Your pronunciations of foreign place names are surprisingly good! - coming from a linguist :)
The IC3 trains are fantastic and in my experience, they are in great shape too, it's embarrassing we still use the IC4 trains.
Would you be interested in documenting the IC3 someday to share with everyone? Shots of the exterior, interior, the coupling in transit and such. There are a few different versions although I think most have the basic carriages with the lovely 4x4 seat arrangement and the gray texture with the old DSB logo. There seemingly exists almost no videos or photos of the trains.
You could argue that it would be embarrassing _not_ to use the IC4s too, then it would be even more of a waste!
Britain like Spain isn't the only place to introduce problem trains then. Just watched your report on the Spanish dual guage HST with articulated bogies even at low speeds. These problem new articulated design type of bogies for Spain today worked fine on the NER then LNER in Britain from 1911 to the1950's! Too much cost cutting in design and manufacture nowadays? I'm getting into your posts, liked and subscribed!
The "Nordic" trash bags are biodegradable. They are technically plastic, but are not that traditional oil based stuff.
Aha, thank you!
8:50 beautiful DSB “HELGA” MZ. We love that variant in Sydney, Australia, as we still use them daily hauling goods/freight.
Wish I was around to experience them!
@@SuperalbsTravels Yeah! I wonder what you’d make of Australian rail?! Your vids encourage us all 2 compare and contrast WRT national system characteristics.
@@SuperalbsTravels Chnls 2 Aussie Train Driver, Building Beautifully etc
@@tomsear1 Will visit one day.
It’s so true. I actually like the Danish railroad. I think the IC3 and IR4 are great trains and normally in the old days they ran on time 4 the most days of the year. But when I started using IC4 because they were introduced to us as a regional service on west Fyn (because no one els wanted them) I stoped using the railroad because they broke down every secend day 😭 so I Bort a car instead and never returned to rail agin 😀
The Odense Railway museum is really impressive!
I can feel the disaster will end when the Alstom Coradia ordered by DSB entered service.
Hopefully! ☺
Will be great to see your reviews of British HST's.
You should have tried the recline on the seats in front of you, they'd have reclined more.
Yes, that's true of reclining seats in a lot of countries, the ones next to the bulkhead can't recline fully.
If I remember correctly, this Danish train was introduced around the same time as Dutch railways (NS) introduced the Fyra. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyra
The Fyra and he DSB IC4 were both built by the Italian AnsaldoBreda. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC4
They both regularly made the Dutch news at the time. For all the wrong reasons.
The Fyra was incredibly unreliable and bits reportedly kept dropping off.
AnsaldoBreda blamed the NS for all problems, apparently telling the NS not to use them in snow! (For instance.)
All Fyras ended up being sent back to Italy and are now being used by Italian railways as the ETR 700.
Hopefully in snow-free regions!
That's right! The Fyra replacement actually finally entered service today! :)
I find the rail infra in Denmark shockingly bad considering its standard of living.
The Danish railways are ranked as the third best in Europe, despite the lack of electrification and lack of high-speed services. This is due to very impressive safety records, and due to the high frequency of intercity and regional service.
Electrification is sorely needed, but even without it, it's actually working pretty well. The least frequent train connection in the country still runs every two hours - all other lines are served every hour, or better.
Many of the highly used regional lines have trains at up to 180 km/h, making them very attractive. In many other countries, regional trains tend to top out at 120-160 km/h.
There are 2 considerations for Danish Rail as it is currently :
One is that this IC4 train by manufacturerer AnseldoBreda was disasterous for DSB railways. had they ditched this train and bought new trains in 2014 immediately the company would have been bankrupt. They could only subsitute them on a mediam term period (e.g. in 2 years ...), and for time being have to muddle through with this junk (even in a prosperous country like DK ..). In 2025 DSB will introduce a tested and proven 200kmh variant of the Alsthom Coradia .
Second point is that you have to consider that Denmark consists of one peninsula and many islands. these sea barriers had an effect on (historical) fragmented rail transport. Only since the 1930s was Jutland connected with Funen island and the islands Zealand with Lolland, and only since 1997 (just 25 years ago !) the Zealand Capital Region is connected with Funen and Jutland by the Great Belt Fixed Link.
Just for 25 years you can travel nationwide uninterruptedly by rail.. That is a fairly new situation for DSB and one evolving. And even more so with the Öresund bridge to Sweden (2000) and the currently under construction Fehmarn Belt fixed link (tunnel) to Germany ...
That said, despite all problems, Denmark was 2nd, behind Switzerland, in the '2017 European Railway Performance Index' . With the highes marks of the countries, on the criterium 'safety' ....
Let's say that most problems are with this very IC4 train ..
We have already 4 units, if i'm right, in Romania. Multiple breakdowns are recorded and also trains being canceled due to the fact that their owner/depot is in the west side of the country and they are used in south-east most of the time. A lot of people think they are great, due to the fact that our rolling stock is old (40-50 years) but the lack of reliability makes them not to be trusted.
Those are the smaller IC2 variant of these trains which were barely ever used in Denmark, DSB stopped using them in 2016.
@@epender yes, and a bunch of the IC4's are soon to arrive to the same operator and hopefully they'll setup shop in south east as this is where they're moving them mostly
So why does the title say "Avoid this FAILED high speed train!", when the only complaints seem to be one or two issues with the fixtures and fittings? It seemed to be on time, and there didn't seem to be any serious complaints about the comfort. Are a few not-shutting-properly access panels reason enough to avoid it completely?
Because this video is clickbait trash
As a Dane I would not recommend riding with IC4.
It's noisely, smells, and just a bad train except for the seat comfort.
The reliability is a massive problem with these trains, but of course if my train doesn't break down itself, then it's hard to highlight this beyond a quick mention.
If the comfortable seats are the only plus whilst all the rest ist lousy, it deserves the criticism. And a major issue is reliability as well as functionality.
Remembering first time going with the IC4 on first class. the ticket controller excusing the low standard of 1st class.
Els no real problems on my behalf, been using it some times as regional train. Guess it will be stocked out when the new IC trains by Alstrom arrive. Similar trains are used as regional trains in Italy- so guess not a huge controversial train
Reminds me of Italy's ETR 700!
both made by ansaldobreda, both have/had huge problems
Italy’s ETR700 had zero problems since entering service after refurbishment.
@@francescobortot6157 They were delivered to NS who originally placed the order with a significant delay, and were pulled from service just 39 days after entry due to serious structural and safety related issues, with all models promptly sold. Saying they've had "zero issues since refurbishment" may not be incorrect, but it's leaving out a very important part of these train's history. And yes, there are a lot of parallels between the ETR700's issues and those plaguing the IC4 programme.
@@PopFizzelz An independent research established that those structural problems could be solved (in fact the minister of the time was forced to resign...Google the real story). Today the ETR 700 are working great, so great that they are "promoted" Frecciarossa (Red Arrow).
@@francescobortot6157 And it's now Frecciarossa.
Yes, that is the danish first. It is a good deal to use first, if u do travel in the morning. You will get a breakfast as well as tea and coffee as well as an included reservation. And btw. Jyland is not an island.
I wonder why the DSB logo resembles a Stop sign though
Because that's what happens when these trains break down. 🤣
Me too, I really dislike their decision to go away from the old pretty logo..
@@Masterfighterx The red and white is nicer and more iconic than the grey/silver and navy blue from the 2000s though
I think it would be interesting to see a video about Finnish railways.
Finland's passenger train service is rated as the third highest quality in the European Union. I am very proud of this as a Finnish train enthusiast. The trains are spacious and clean, although in winter the timetables can be disappointing from time to time due to weather conditions.
What's the first and second? :)
I've already done one Finnish video on my channel, check it out! :)
Yeah, sure, 7-Eleven is a pan-nordic, Japanese, Koreanese and American equivalment of Polish Żabka.
Yup, they sure are everywhere!
@@SuperalbsTravels That's because there's some sort of agreement with DSB and the owners of the 7eleven franchise in Denmark, and they sell train tickets (except at stations with their own ticket office)
7:21 thats a danish outlet, not the Schuko one that is used across much of europe, although it is compatible with CEE 7/17 plugs, essentially an ungrounded Schuko plug.
Thanks for trying to get the danish pronunciation right - with varying result, however: Aarhus sounded fairly authentic, while Odense was a near fail .) Did you know that you quite often can find the pronunciation in the (english) WP article on each place (and mostly correct) - provided you can read the global IPA script?
Thanks, it seems quite a difficult language to get right.
Its good that we now gonna get electrical trains like the ones NS in Nederlands are buying for the HS lines.
Yes, they look really fancy too, I think!
So, one could consider the IC4 a success, as their unreliability finally pushed Denmark to electrify its network.
True, I suppose that is definitely a good thing! 🤣
Uk coach operators started using the small plastic bag system 30 odd years ago to speed up cleaning and deter things like crisp packets being stuffed into crevices
Yes, the Danish Railway Museum is very much worth visiting. You can get up close to the trains and sometimes there's rides on a veteran train. I think anyone interested in trains and railways should pay a visit if possible.
The power socket is the uniquely danish "type K" grounded socket, of course for non-grounded plugs it makes no difference, but it's not compatible with the "type E/F" grounded plugs used in most of europe.
It's absolutely mind-boggling to me that whoever ordered this disaster didn't repeatedly go: "Oh, this aspect of the IC4 is definitely way worse than what we already have!"
The top speed of IC4 is 180 km/h, like IC3 and its electrical version ER4. The top speed on the danish train network is 180 km/h (with many exceptions).
2007? When I moved to Denmark in 2008 the IC4 was not yet in service for a couple of years.
Toilets are a problem child in all danish trains, sometimes none is working. And some of them are not beeing fixed in over eight month.
You were not sitting im the first class. The first class is only a small compartment at one end of the train. That one with the yellow stripe on the outside and also: That stripe is longer than the actual first class compartment.
The first class never differs much from the standard in Design. The IC3 ones have more legroom and 3 instead of 4 seats, thus a wider aisle. You have catering service in that compartment ( that one directly adjacent to the train drivers stand).
The interior of the IC4 is made of very cheap material and by now worn out and moving parts damaged for good. The trains are called "four seasons" for the temperature in each car is different and obviously cannot be managed. The coolest car in winter may even be freezing, while heated in the next car. In summer there's garanteed one sauna-car.
The 8 so called "power packs" don't shift their gears synchronized. When rolling slow or accelerating you better hold tight for it can get very bumpy.
In one periode I used the train (last train out of Copenhagen) after work: Severe delays or cancellation due to technical issues more than every other day!!
Their design top speed is 200km/h for the signalling upgrade that won't happen in their lifetime.
As I’ve understood, DSB bought a proposed electric train only to modify it to diesel electric, ic4. This caused many problems, mainly uncontrolled noise and vibration throughout the cabins.
I sometimes had to use these trains for my commute back in 2012-2014. Usually I would wait for an IC3 or a smaller regional line to avoid the deafening noise. At the time, even wearing a headset on full volume would not drown out the noise from the IC4.
In later years, the trains that do run have gotten better, but it is still a complete failure.
The newer Light Rail from Aarhus have also been a complete disaster when discussing the regional section of the track.
Denmarks track record with successful trains isn’t too good these days.
New Zealand is coming from Zeeland province in the Netherlands, if I’m not mistaken.
1:40 BTW, "lyntog" (the colloquial Danish name for the Intercity high-speed trains) means "lightning train".
If it's anything like when i used to travel a lot by train, then DSB Første, isn't so much a different class, as it is just a section where you're expected to stay quiet to allow people to rest. That said, this is bad... not that it's ever been stellar but...wow...
At least on the older trains it's a lot nicer, with more space!
The poor maintenance of train in the video is in my opinion only a bit worse than average, and you were lucky to not see some of the other common issues of the IC4, such as.
> Internal doors not working. It could be sensors not working, slow opening, delay in opening and the everyday issue of having to manually open the door (they can be very tough).
> Really warm or super cold wagons from faulty air conditioning. It's not without reason DSB staff jokingly call IC4 trains “IC4 seasons” or just “the 4 seasons”.
> Bad smell from the toilets.
> Missing big bins (in the rooms outside the main seating areas)
I often work in the IC4, but I work for an external company hired by DSB. For work I prefer IC3, but I actually prefer being passenger in IC4, because I like the seats better, IC4 trains are so spacious compared to the IC3 and on the main routs IC3 trains are often PACKED with people.
Also, I find IC3 can be very shaky and bumpy during the ride, maybe stemming from the tracks. Occasionally a IC4 train will do some crazy shaking in the very beginning of acceleration but I find it to otherwise be riding smoothly.
Great video! I also very much look forward to the new trains!
3:38 to me the yellow stripes above the window line should indicate 1st class (the same color code was used for the former German regional trains (red carriages w yellow stripe for 1st calss))
It should, that's the international standard, but this time it was all confusing...
for the plastic bags, an integrated rubishbin would still have a plastic bag inside you would just see less of it. The ones hanging free there are inscribed with "The bag here is made of 100% recycled plastic" and with you either taking it with you to dumb into a bin yourself or letting it hang, it's more accesible for staff to throw away, and this way it also does not take away from your sitting space. I know on german regional and local trains the integrated bin takes away a good amount of leg-space and is most of the time, quite dirty
Another advantage over integrated bins is that there is no cleaning need to be done and bad smell not an issue, which have annoyed me a more than a few times.
I have sometimes seen DSB staff just empty the contents of the plastic bag into the big trash they have with them and then hang the small plastic bag back for "reuse". They seem to only do it if is very clean.
Scandenavia is a really organized region. I think its 1 in a hundred that such trains there have some problems. GREAT VID!
Yep, generally the trains here are pretty good! Thanks for watching. ☺
Let me tell you, Im from denmark and take the train everyday to work. 90% Of the time the trains are delayed, 70% of the time the train have a malfunction and it will get cancelled.
@@hamza9540 come to Poland. 1 hour late for long distance trains is kind of "normal", because track repair goes year-around
I took the IC3 on the same stretch a couple of years ago, and I have to say; the IC4s looks a lot less comfortable than what I experienced on the IC3.
As a Odense resident with job taking me to Aarhus and Copenhagen, IC4 is always a disappointment - ever since it started to serve on my regional line taking me from a small city between Fredericia and Vejle to Vejle in 2008. My job sometimes pay for DSB 1', and yes - it's almost impossible to see it on the seats. 1st class is always in the x1 carriage of DSB trains - 71, 81, 21 etc - and are indeed marked outside by the dual yellow lines in the old grey and blue colour scheme.
The railway museum can be interesting. There's a lot of old trains but also some cut through new-ish trains and a bigger focus for children. If you're spending a lot of time you might spend 4 hours - except for when Thomas the Tank Engine is visiting in spring.
Oh, and while ICL+ requires a seat reservation, most lines in Denmark does not.
(and luckily IC3 are usually, at least since autumn, serving the 15.55 departure)
Many thanks for this honest assessment.
It was refreshing to learn that other countries have difficulties introducing new trains - we tend, in the UK, to think it's only a UK problem and often hear "This never happens in European railways" - well now we know better! Although I don't think even our privatised Train Operating Companies would allow a train into service with electrical equipment cabinets open!!!!!
Thanks for watching! I saw one of these recently that was clearly having massive engine problems, it was screaming every time the gears changed! 😂
great train video