Best Mushroom Substrate Sterilizer Based On Cost, Profitability, And Farm Efficiency: DIY Steam Tank
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You gotta film what your showing dude!
Thanks for sharing your process! Mad respect
A quick thank you for sharing!
Your idea is simply brilliant! Would you consider hinting toward a material list? Possibly best temp and time required?
Aircrete panels are about $12 dollars per bag, one bag can make three to four panels at 36 inches x 32 inches x 2 inches thick. depending on the amount of insulation you need. You can make them in house to cut cost which if they get damaged you could replace them yourself. Or you could turn the tank upside down and pour the aircrete around the tank within a lightweight box.
I do all types of construction I'm very familiar with the board that you're talking about it's used for tiling and certain type of masonry work If my suggestion to you is before laying your sheets put a bed of mortar in between with a quarter inch trowel!
Also be sure to use the correct Screws Designed and made for that board. The sheets are made to build tile showers..... Installed and mortar correctly i have been doing this for More years than fingers and toes. 🍻
What are the new tanks made of? Can you show the details of the tank construction?
Thanks for the video. Great stuff.
Thank you for sharing!
Very easy to scale down to a totem size and hook up to the top of a pressure cooker. Pasteurization is definitely achievable but those higher temperatures for sterilization you would want to be extra careful everything could handle it. Out side and PPE
Have you looked into used stainless cheese making vats? They are set up for steam and are insulated.
Good day! What is the capacity of your boiler?
Super cool none the less. Super efficient and way cheaper than a huge medical autoclave.
What is the sterilization tank u are using?
I am just starting my adventure.. Hope to get to this point some time... great work!
Does this work for grain?
How do you control the pressure inside the tank?
I am sorry, what's the temperature and time he is using? 3 days at 212 degrees?
Wouldn't kingspan aka polyurethane insulation boards be a better option for insulating the tanks?
Thanks for the video! Do you guys throw the bags out after they are finished producing or are they reusable?
What boilers do you use?
What are the New tanks made of?
Paint the concrete boards with rubber paint bro. More insulation, less brittle..frame them too, that's a good idea. You can fit the insulation board into the back of the frame. I'm working something similar out. The flex seal paint will work great. Test the paint on a broken piece and decide if you need a primer, but you shouldnt need any.
Hii wtf
What about doing an insulation walls out of drayd colonated mushroom bags fore any thank ?
Can you show the object at the same time?
Hi, is this video still accurate or have you found something that works better now? Thanks!
try Fiberfrax or KaoWool refractory blanket...used in furnaces
Question ~ Have you ever thought of drying your spent fruiting blocks and using them as fuel for your sterilization process?
Thats a really good idea but how much energy would it take to remove the moisture?
It takes a good sunbathing, so basically, free energy from the Sun
@@ermitanyo777 Where I live you get more rain than sun 😂 I guess if you are in the desert be a good idea
@@tinkertom3683 just placing them in a green house or breaking them up and spreading it out in your home or an enclosed are would work just fine. May take a little while, but it will dry eventually.
How do u guys sterilize ur grain on a big scale? Autoclave?
Kaowool might be a good insulation if you coat it with something so fibers don’t fly away. And it isn’t brittle.
Does Anyone Know the tub thats hes using for creating this bulk sterilizer?? 0:07
Couple questions if you don't mind- you mentioned woodchip bags... Do you use just straight woodchips in the bags? And, how long does it take the mycelium to colonize and fruit, in those? Thanks!
Read growing gourmet and medicinal mushrooms by Paul Stamets
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I had my eye on that book a while back, guess I'll grab a copy. Thanks ; )
0:49. What kind of box did you use ?
I know its an old video but I'm wondering if you framed in the cement board than used spray form as extra insulation you could get an extra 21 to 25 ish R value just with 3.5 inches of spray form
We use polyisocyinate panels
Love that farm boss
How much weight for each bag?
Hi there - quick question - why wouldnt you just soak your hay in calcium hydroxide for 2 hours? It will work for oyster mushrooms.I am new to this but it seems to work very well if you keep things clean. Keeping things simple imo is best. Please let me know why you dont like this method or what you found to be bad about it. THANKS!!!
Good question I want to know the answer too
hello! any experience of using something as alternativ to those autoclavabe spawn bags? it seems they are not available in many countries
I'm trying cold water pasturizarion with grocery bags for in house kits
Why don't you visit a metalwork shop, get them to make you an auger or two? Failing that look through used farming equipment and find an auger bit. A respray paint job is good as new. What do you do with the used sawdust spored material?
Talking to much and not enough details...or a walk around to explain the system
Classic
What state are you guys in?
Is the 120 Canadian or US bags? :)
Make a lid that is tall enough so that you could stack another 3 rows of blocks! You could use clamps to hold it in place....
Do you make holes in the polythene bags for the passage of the stem?
No holes, the bags are filled and sealed before sterilizing. The filter patch allows enough steam to escape unless you're using a pressure cooker.
Bro, what you think about using coffee grounds to grow mushrooms? Im new into growing mushrooms i live in Trinidad
it works
a lot of crap loves to grow on coffee grounds. there are better ways. also depends what mushroom you're growing.
Coffee can be used, but it's prone to contamination.
I could not understand how the steam in the full closed polythene bags passes through the sterilization.
get the foam panels u had on screen they amazing
ps u can get for 22-34 each not 50 if u look around i built entire warehouse for cannabis grower with those boards
Nice
This is pasteurization it's not sterilisation?
You can build can build a 4ft by 8ft by 3 ft steamer box for greater capacity..
WHAT ABOUT USING CERAMIC FIBER BLANKET?
Use hemp panels.
Hi. Would you mind showing us the construction please? I suspect I'm not the only visual learner here. Thank you.
Brian... 6 min... Look into the insulation properties of aircrete... can be made in place...
John Grogan yup I know about it.
A container is a container at this point. You can lay a tarp out, stack 1000 bags, close it up with pallets or stack cinder blocks around it and pump in steam. Old school.
I run UN barrels at 4psi. Perfect blocks and grains too. Also been running lime pasteurized SUPPLEMENTED blocks. So far so good.
Concrete blankets would make excellent tarps. These are insulated tarp/blankets that cover freshly laid concrete in the winter so that it doesn't freeze and crack. They are very heavy. I love the idea of piping in steam to a bunch of bags under a tarp! This makes so much sense! Would there be a hose going through the tarp with holes to release the steam throughout the enclosed area to ensure no dead pockets that didn't receive adequate heat?
Newbie here, why not boil them?
Thanks for the video. I have a steamer for removing wall paper that will be re-purposed for sterilization.
Will you ever get an autoclave?
Dave Kohler doubt it but who knows
I would've to know what plastic tank it is you're using for this. I've had a search and can't find anything suitable.
Grape harvesting bin
What temperature do you need to get up to and for how long
Between 160-180*F for. 2 to 2 and half-hour.!!!
Reddrick Roberts no bud, those are pasteurization temps not sterilization temps
Up to 250f
"It's not the critic that counts."
Much respect for your efforts.
You've probably considered this, but how do 275 gallon frame totes hold up in those temperatures? (Semi-translucent tanks supported with aluminum framing) those run $25-$150 in my area. Might be an easy/cheap solution for ramping up production.
there are a few growers playing around with them for sure
Where do you get your bags.
He's a Unicorn bag distributor as well so he would get a deal for his own useage I'm sure.
this is not sterilization, it is pasteurization. 212F / 100C is not high enough temp to sterilize.
Kinda wish I could have seen the operation instead of your face just a tip.
Is there a follow up on this? Did you use this thru 2018?
I'm sure I talk about somewhere. Yes they work. We use polyisocyinate panels for insulation, moving blankets and expanding foam in the corners to make a seal for the lid.
th-cam.com/video/vsFzL-Zqi7c/w-d-xo.html this video is close to the working prototype
@@whatthefungus I've been sitting on the materials to build something like this for close to a year, just have not had time. Now in the off season, hope to complete it over the next month. Plan is to use 8x8x16 concrete blocks, set on a 6" slab with a 6" concrete ceiling, a wood hatch on the front. Dimensions (ID) will be 80"x48"x41" tall (should hold 200 xls-A bags at 9lbs each sawdust). Also using a single 55g drum as an electric boiler that I made using 2, 4500w water heater elements, which is already built and tested, boils like a madman, 36 gallons of 130F water to 212F in 45 minutes (seems to outperform our current propane boiler), this drum is going to go inside the concrete enclosure, which should greatly increase efficiency, hoping I'll be able to turn off one of the elements when it gets up to temp and also looking at using 240v water heater timers. Also plan to use a 2nd passive drum located outside the enclosure with an equalizer tube pass thru to the boiler drum, essentially double the water supply, provide an external fill point and sight glass. I dont anticipate using more than 18 gallons over 12 hours, but will have to see what happens in reality, may add more external drums. Now we don't cool our bags past the point of being able to carry them over to a cooling rack, despite that I keep hearing we should, but then we also have little contamination, perhaps we do but goes unnoticed...IDK, We also inoculate at 10% or greater, most everything grows like crazy, maybe that helps too, IDK. Anyway been watching to see how this worked out for you, Very nice!!! Jeff M.
I'm confused, you say STERILIZE but don't you actually mean PASTEURIZE? because you are heating the tubs with steam and i doubt you are getting any significant pressure buildup in those tubs so shouldn't the temp be at around the boiling point of water(100C) at best which would only pasteurize the substrate because it's nowhere near the temp to be able to kill some spores. Am i wrong here? what am i missing?
You are right. The is a difference between pasteurize and sterilize. Because of this wrong information many people make mistakes all the time.
Super pasteurization
@@garfunkle660 That is a made up term for pasteurising for a long time but sure...
@@CMZneu Pasteurization is about 160 to 170*F. Sterilization is about 250*f. Super pasteurization is 212*f.. isnt it? What did I miss
100c will not sterilise u need 120c to 140c?
Have you thought about about building a frame mold for the top? Expand foam in a can. Say 4”-6” thick. Cut away mold and fit on top. Do the same for the sides. Make a kiln type sterilizer. Container is perfect by the way.
labour is the killer, spreading it out only compounds the problem rather than alleviating it. Sure it is less to concentrate on at once and also reduces the the likely hood of wasted time but the massive increase in labour is not worth the reduced load and small loss occasionally in efficiency. Hopefully you worked this out pretty quickly and moved to larger volumes over less days (fyi, a bagger will pay for itself in about 3 months based on your numbers)....
Am using the drum here . .
Take a drink every time he points into the distance WITHOUT pointing the camera (it's a VIDEO bro .. show us?????)
thats dope
I see a lot of guys using lime to sterilize maybe not biggest production is you but I mean you can buy lime by the ton and I don't think it's as expensive as as gas or whatever your heating with their
You really remind me of the 'you betcha' guy
Hot tub conversion
dude chuck some fiberglass on your poly-whatever panels for longevity ;)
should be a pretty cost effective solution, just bear in mind that you'll need heat to set the glass off quickly, maybe use one of your unused fruiting tents with a heater going around 35c
Lots of talk, not enough details of the system.
I suggest not using the cement panels. Go with solid foam boards, less expensive and much better. The best r value per inch is Polyisocyanurate. You can also go with thicker pipe insulation, which will help.
I wouldn't call those sterilizers, they are definitely pasteurizers. You could have built retorts from 250 gal or bigger used propane tanks and saved alot of money. Plus you'll only need to hold the heat for 1.5 hrs saving you on fuel and time. Build a walk in retort and trash that pasteurization system and you'll be miles ahead.
John wow your so right! Some welding, a little steel and you got a mobile retort that you can forklift bags in and out! The door would be a mother tucker to figure out tho....hydraulic... magnetic?
Liquid water tops out at 212 degrees, but steam can be much hotter, this is true sterilization
No doubt the boiler could produce steam in excess of 212f depending on the pressure. The issue is that he's admittedly only going for, and will only be getting 212f at the end of the designed system- being the bags. Pasteurization and Sterilization are not interchangeable terms. Cool setup, and works with their growing techniques. That's the most important thing. Finding what works for you, what and how you grow.
How does one become a professional mycologist?
Please tell me I would like to understand the process of sterilization
Grain sterilization at atmospheric pressure you need the grains to reach at least 180 degrees Fahrenheit, for about 24 hours. With an autoclave, you can achieve sterilization at 15 psi for about 2-3 hours depending on the quantity of grains.
The camera movement makes this hard to watch. The way it follows your eyes is freaky
to me it looks inefficient... considering you can just lime pasteurize it with a high ph in the 12s.... all that energy your using and time 😵...
719Moto Mx its worth it trust me. I use I water heater elements 1500 watts steam sterilizer 55 gallon steal drum. Verse ph balance. Hrydro lime cost 60 cents per bag that's 40 bags is 24.00 in cost verse 4 dallors of electricity
heat is the only tried and tru method
the ph never drops back to nuetral, its a proven fact that they grow better at a more basic ph but closer 8 or 9, 12 is too high.
North Florida Fungi I heard it helps yield
Not if you are growing lion mane
pasteurization? I dont think this is sterilizing.
Ricky from trailer park boys
Thanks for the video, but can you please give details of that Sterilizer instead of talk and talk ??
Hello brother I am gonna start this business please help me
once again .... missing detail... just talking
he's selling his mentorship
13:25 STILL talking. :)
More camera on the system as you narrate off camera, because one cannot visualize what your talking about. No offense, but your handsome mug need only be seen as a point of reference for size when your hand or nothing else is sufficient .I would have liked to have seen close-ups of mechanical connections ,valves, concrete panels(?),safety/steam pressure controls , i.e. everything you spoke about but never showed on video. Definitely deserves a remake .I'm looking forward to it.
Hmmm.. I hope your replacing the trees. Because. .. it sounds unsustainable as hell.
He's only using wastes from wood products production. Mushroom farming really helps the environment.
Trees are replaceable.
I got excited when I saw the titles and thumbnails of your videos but then I realized it's just a dude talking the entire time :(
After 8 minutes he spills a bit
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this is such a self satisfied duck
But you are simply showing us your head. Otherwise thanks
What's the point of making a video if you're only showing your face and just flashing sometimes what you're actually talking about?
Wow you took 14 minutes to say 2 minutes worth of stuff maybe look back and see how many times you repeated yourself also the only time I ever got to see what you were talking about was in the thumbnail
How many mushrooms have you eaten 😋
Me. I eat alot minimum 8 max 15 gram weekly this time I grew golden teacher also have bunch of Mckennaii left from last kits I found a place here in Holland that sells their 2100cc (2Liter) box for 30€. Yum. Golden teacher it felt like dmt past weekend I ate 11g. Wheeeeee. I'm a fatass though so I need a little bit more🍄
You waste too much time talking about stuff that doesn't pertain to the video topic. If it's about the sterilization system, no one wants to hear about your production levels or labor needed etc...
i do