Hi, I have bought the M12 Planer and here's my observations, an excerpt from my letter to the Milwaukee rep: The M12 planer is poorly designed. For the money this should be a precision 100% accurate tool. But is far from it. Since we spoke I have done some further measuring and testing. Please see below. All measuring done with vernier callipers and feeler gauges. The people designing these tools have absolutely no idea, they should be sacked. • With the depth set to zero and a straight edge on the front toe a .4mm feeler gauge easily slips in between the straight edge and the rear shoe. At zero these should be in the same plane with the blade just able to touch the straight edge. • On my M12 planer the rear shoe and front toe surfaces line up at .5mm depth setting. This is really where zero should be, however the blade then protrudes by approx. .7mm. Using the planer removes .7mm of material. • When testing the snipe I found it to measure up to .9mm, it should be zero, in a perfect world, .1mm would be acceptable to me. .9mm snipe, that’s crazy! • With the straight edge laid across the rear shoe over the front toe with the depth set to 2mm I can only fit 1.6mm feeler gauge between the straight edge and the front toe. This should measure 2mm. • In testing max depth of cut it is taking off 2mm, which is a combination of 1.6mm at the front toe and the balance in snipe. Should be 2mm at front toe with no snipe. • Another thing I noticed with the straight edge on the rear shoe is it is not perfectly flat front to rear. It kicks a little behind the kick stand port. Having thoroughly inspected the exploded view in the service parts list, (attached), I see no available adjustment to deal with the snipe. So unfortunately the issues with the depth of cut cannot be fixed. It is not a matter of simply recalibrating the front toe depth. Both must be done to fix it. I may try to find something to glue on to the rear shoe to raise it’s height like another user has done with the M18 to fix the same problem, he glued a piece of laminate to the shoe which worked for him. Then I would recalibrate the front toe, or send it back to Milwaukee to do under warranty. So until then I will continue to use it as is. It’s such a pity, this M12 planer could have been a real winner☹. Thought Milwaukee would have listened to the multitude of complaints about the M18 Planer and made sure they wouldn’t be repeated. But no they didn’t. Why????
* I have also since checked out the Bosch 12v planer and found it appears to be accurate by measurement, as I have not used it. But at zero depth the front toe is in the same plane exactly as the rear shoe and the tip of the blade just comes up into the same line as it should. This was checked laying a straight edge across the bottom of the plane. The depth measurements looked to be right although I didn't have feeler gauges with me in the store to measure, only a straight edge.
Appreciate you taking the time to share. I haven’t noticed any of your issues, but with how I use the smaller planer I may never would have. I typically use mine for rough things… taking out crown in studs, humps in floors, etc. the most precision I use it for would be fixing doors. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. Allows people to have more info to make a decision 👍
Son I finally got my hands on one. My only complain is that is slightly bigger than the Bosch, but has a roomier space for your fingers. I am not a fan of the safety switch as they pinch my fingers sometimes. Performance is very good, so I got rid of my Bosch.
Yeah I prefer it over my Bosch. It is just slightly bigger, but I would have not known it had I not had the Bosch sitting right there. The kickstand folding out of the way was enough for me 😂
After seeing a article on the Milwaukee planer , A older coworker joined the site I'm on & he has the Bosch its good but the I don't like the trigger & the depth adjuster but just bought the Milwaukee to get shipped to home Depot for $200 & a xc 5.0 off Amazon for 69$ vs $344 after taxes in store. I have the brushless Makita 3" planer but I think this will be better in do time especially the vacuum attachment. What sold me is the direction you can shoot debris , the depth adjuster, & trigger for sure
Yeah I’m pretty sure when I bought my Bosch it was the first 12v planer on the market… so Milwaukee had the advantage to look at theirs and see what they could do better.
Yeah it would be good at that for sure. I use mine a lot to even put studs in walls after I have framed. Sometimes a few stick out farther because of crown and it makes your drywall look bad. Doors, Cabinets. It’s the perfect size for me, super easy to use with one hand. The Bosch one is Good and worth having… but the few times I’ve used it so far, the Milwaukee better if the Brand doesn’t matter to someone.
I can give advice on how to fix the red belay on the Bosch without tape! At the back, below, on the left between the aluminum sole and the body there is a gap through which a needle passes and fixes this red tab.
Had to have a chuckle about your comments on the stand. I have a mains powered planer with a stand that can't be locked back that has had a few choice words directed towards it at times 🤣. The Milwaukee seems to be a good unit and performed well, I just couldn't justify the expenditure for the amount I use a planer.
Yeah it’s fine if you can always come from the edge of whatever your using it on, but sometimes that’s not the case… you have a small tool that does things like that you almost forget how much it cost and throw it 😂 Yeah it’s a specialty tool, so it depends on how much you use one 👍
This actually pisses me off a little bit because I didn’t want to get the M 18 Planer because I thought it was over priced for its performance compared to other 18 V players on the market. I put it off for so long and finally pull the trigger on it maybe six weeks ago and then they dropped this the M 12 would’ve been plenty enough for me I mostly finish carpentry with my planer.
Yeah I have never bought an 18v because I liked the size of the Bosch and was hoping they would come out with an M12. I had heard they might be coming out with one, but I wasn’t sure when.
That was a steal. It’s a good tool, if I wasn’t trying to keep from being on a bunch of different batteries I would have never been looking at the Milwaukee. It always did what I wanted it to do. At that price, you have to buy it 👍
@@MORGANSMaintenance yeah but that 12 volt is sure nice for finishing work I bought one for scribing the 40v definitely a 2 hand tool it will remove 4.5mm in one passor almost a quarter inch
The bag works ok for a quick/small job with small shavings… but other than that it fills up in 2 seconds and starts clogging up the planer. With the vacuum attachment taking multiple sizes you might could take a miter saw bag and put it on it… Thanks for your thoughts 👍
@@MORGANSMaintenance oh thats a great idea. It would help keep the mess minimal for maintenance requests that require doors that need shaving in occupied spaces.
I hear you on the batteries. But I also have the Bosch 12v sander and trim router. Those are both great tools for there purpose. Sander is probably my favorite sander I have. Keep up the good work.
If you are in Milwaukee or have neither Bosch tools or Milwaukee… yes. I think it’s the extra blade that helps The Bosch bogs down on the higher settings, it’s just hard to take off that much at a time. You go thinner and it works well. If you already have the Bosch and it’s working for you… it would be an upgrade, but the Bosch is still good enough to stay with what you got. I have just been trying to slowly get my batteries to all be the same. I have a buddy that’s been wanting my Bosch one for awhile, so I decided to get the Milwaukee and give him the Bosch.
I don’t think so because they are slightly a different size (thickness I think)… I ended up giving my Bosch planer to a friend, but next time I am around I will try to remember and check I do remember they are slightly different though because I gave him my extra opened blades thinking I couldn’t use them… but I didn’t try it.
Love how us blokes always use the excuse of a bargain for buying yet more tools. ' yeah love if i spend over 250, i get a discount which ive already spent on more tools '.
It’s think it was quieter on the higher setting/bigger shavings.. I think that second blade seems to help quite a bit. I noticed on playback the Bosch was getting into a knot which also gets louder. I felt like overall it may have been slightly quieter though.
Do you ever use a bigger electric planner not ether mains or 18v? I only have a 110v Makita, it's great but big and heavy, I pretty much only use a power plane for hanging doors. I have been looking at a cordless one for a long time, but not curious if the M12 is really all I need.
I use it on doors, studs, cabinets, etc… most anything I typically I used that for. I have an electric one but I can’t remember the last time I got it out. It is pretty powerful for a 12v tool. I think the M12 will be better than the Bosch just from the little I’ve used it the last few days trying it out.
@@MORGANSMaintenance thanks I think I might give the little M12 a go. Unless I find a great deal on an 18v kne I have batteries for, I can't resist a bargain
I know.. I’ve always said the Bosch and Milwaukee 12v tools have to be made at the same place. All my Bosch tools I previously had and the 1st and 2nd Generation on Milwaukee are identical. The batteries are the same except the tabs and polarity are backwards.
I’m a huge Milwaukee fan, and even though this was just the 1st video of yours I’ve ever seen, clearly you are too!!! In this Milwaukee vs Bosch 12v planer comparison, it was laughably obvious watching you portrayed Milwaukee to be so vastly superior. Look at the way you ran the boss using such short and choppy passes….and on top of that, you planed over the exact same spot on that beam that you ran the Milwaukee over!!! So course it’s gonna look like the Milwaukee is hoggin out tons of material while the Bosch is barely makin chips. Perhaps try being a little less biased on your next tool comparison, we were all laughing over your obvious agenda to promote one tool. ✌🏼
Sorry if it appeared biased.. if it was I wasn’t attempting for it to be. As I mentioned, both tools are good tools. To be honest the Milwaukee is superior, but If I was already in Bosch and not Milwaukee, I wouldn’t change platforms for it. This was intended as more of a feature comparison since I own both, but I decided to show them both in action for people to see. I don’t do many performance comparison videos because there will never be a “completely equal” test. The Bosch got into more of a knot than the Milwaukee did, but if you change boards or spots someone else will say it must have been a harder board, etc. As far as cutting…When you plane wood it doesn’t matter if you go over the same spot… it still planes wood to whatever thickness you have it set at. That’s what determines the chip size. The newer blades on the Milwaukee probably helped more than anything. I appreciate the feedback, it always helps.. thanks for watching 👍
Bought it ,used it and it's a great planer.
I use it on doors all the time. Really nice for its size
With the free battery Home Depot hack I just picked the m12 up for $163. I love it.
@@Motor-City_Ben-Diesel it is nice… I’ve used it on all kinds of doors
Hi, I have bought the M12 Planer and here's my observations, an excerpt from my letter to the Milwaukee rep: The M12 planer is poorly designed. For the money this should be a precision 100% accurate tool. But is far from it.
Since we spoke I have done some further measuring and testing. Please see below. All measuring done with vernier callipers and feeler gauges.
The people designing these tools have absolutely no idea, they should be sacked.
• With the depth set to zero and a straight edge on the front toe a .4mm feeler gauge easily slips in between the straight edge and the rear shoe. At zero these should be in the same plane with the blade just able to touch the straight edge.
• On my M12 planer the rear shoe and front toe surfaces line up at .5mm depth setting. This is really where zero should be, however the blade then protrudes by approx. .7mm. Using the planer removes .7mm of material.
• When testing the snipe I found it to measure up to .9mm, it should be zero, in a perfect world, .1mm would be acceptable to me. .9mm snipe, that’s crazy!
• With the straight edge laid across the rear shoe over the front toe with the depth set to 2mm I can only fit 1.6mm feeler gauge between the straight edge and the front toe. This should measure 2mm.
• In testing max depth of cut it is taking off 2mm, which is a combination of 1.6mm at the front toe and the balance in snipe. Should be 2mm at front toe with no snipe.
• Another thing I noticed with the straight edge on the rear shoe is it is not perfectly flat front to rear. It kicks a little behind the kick stand port.
Having thoroughly inspected the exploded view in the service parts list, (attached), I see no available adjustment to deal with the snipe. So unfortunately the issues with the depth of cut cannot be fixed. It is not a matter of simply recalibrating the front toe depth. Both must be done to fix it. I may try to find something to glue on to the rear shoe to raise it’s height like another user has done with the M18 to fix the same problem, he glued a piece of laminate to the shoe which worked for him. Then I would recalibrate the front toe, or send it back to Milwaukee to do under warranty. So until then I will continue to use it as is. It’s such a pity, this M12 planer could have been a real winner☹.
Thought Milwaukee would have listened to the multitude of complaints about the M18 Planer and made sure they wouldn’t be repeated. But no they didn’t. Why????
* I have also since checked out the Bosch 12v planer and found it appears to be accurate by measurement, as I have not used it. But at zero depth the front toe is in the same plane exactly as the rear shoe and the tip of the blade just comes up into the same line as it should. This was checked laying a straight edge across the bottom of the plane. The depth measurements looked to be right although I didn't have feeler gauges with me in the store to measure, only a straight edge.
Appreciate you taking the time to share.
I haven’t noticed any of your issues, but with how I use the smaller planer I may never would have. I typically use mine for rough things… taking out crown in studs, humps in floors, etc. the most precision I use it for would be fixing doors.
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. Allows people to have more info to make a decision 👍
Son I finally got my hands on one. My only complain is that is slightly bigger than the Bosch, but has a roomier space for your fingers. I am not a fan of the safety switch as they pinch my fingers sometimes. Performance is very good, so I got rid of my Bosch.
Yeah I prefer it over my Bosch. It is just slightly bigger, but I would have not known it had I not had the Bosch sitting right there.
The kickstand folding out of the way was enough for me 😂
I think I'm addicted to the M12 lineup
I have some bigger tools, but my M12 gets used the most.. even on bigger stuff
Same lol
The Bosch hose attachment is compatible with the CTS / Centec QuickClick system
Yeah, I knew that it was for a specific system. I always use the standard size hoses because they work with the most stuff.
Thanks for the info 👍👍
Impressive dust collection
Yeah it did a very good job 👍
After seeing a article on the Milwaukee planer , A older coworker joined the site I'm on & he has the Bosch its good but the I don't like the trigger & the depth adjuster but just bought the Milwaukee to get shipped to home Depot for $200 & a xc 5.0 off Amazon for 69$ vs $344 after taxes in store. I have the brushless Makita 3" planer but I think this will be better in do time especially the vacuum attachment. What sold me is the direction you can shoot debris , the depth adjuster, & trigger for sure
Yeah it is a super nice planer. I have used it several times since this video and I really like it.
@@MORGANSMaintenance awesome 👍🏾
Add another M12 tool to my shopping list. 😂
It’s always hard for me to turn down M12 tools 😂
This is what bosch should have some....milaukee took it and ran with it..
Yeah I’m pretty sure when I bought my Bosch it was the first 12v planer on the market… so Milwaukee had the advantage to look at theirs and see what they could do better.
That thing chews wood like a beaver on steroids. The compact size is very tempting, looks like a great tool for taking rough edges off lumber.
Yeah it would be good at that for sure. I use mine a lot to even put studs in walls after I have framed. Sometimes a few stick out farther because of crown and it makes your drywall look bad.
Doors, Cabinets. It’s the perfect size for me, super easy to use with one hand.
The Bosch one is Good and worth having… but the few times I’ve used it so far, the Milwaukee better if the Brand doesn’t matter to someone.
I can give advice on how to fix the red belay on the Bosch without tape! At the back, below, on the left between the aluminum sole and the body there is a gap through which a needle passes and fixes this red tab.
I donated mine to a friend, but I will pass on the info… Appreciate it 👍
Had to have a chuckle about your comments on the stand. I have a mains powered planer with a stand that can't be locked back that has had a few choice words directed towards it at times 🤣. The Milwaukee seems to be a good unit and performed well, I just couldn't justify the expenditure for the amount I use a planer.
Yeah it’s fine if you can always come from the edge of whatever your using it on, but sometimes that’s not the case… you have a small tool that does things like that you almost forget how much it cost and throw it 😂
Yeah it’s a specialty tool, so it depends on how much you use one 👍
Milwaukee a full siempre!!
I’m a big Milwaukee Fan myself… even though I really just started using their tools in the last couple years 👍
This actually pisses me off a little bit because I didn’t want to get the M 18 Planer because I thought it was over priced for its performance compared to other 18 V players on the market. I put it off for so long and finally pull the trigger on it maybe six weeks ago and then they dropped this the M 12 would’ve been plenty enough for me I mostly finish carpentry with my planer.
Yeah I have never bought an 18v because I liked the size of the Bosch and was hoping they would come out with an M12. I had heard they might be coming out with one, but I wasn’t sure when.
Just picked up the Bosch 12v planer at Lowe’s for $32 lol 6ah battery for $24, they must be liquidating their Bosch 12v line
That was a steal. It’s a good tool, if I wasn’t trying to keep from being on a bunch of different batteries I would have never been looking at the Milwaukee. It always did what I wanted it to do.
At that price, you have to buy it 👍
I watched this last night.
I might just have to switch to red!
I have a lot of money invested in yellow!’
Great tool
It’s a never ending rabbit hole 😂
My makita 40v I just snapped the kickstand off I just make sure I rotate the cutter head so I can place it on the blades
Yeah, they can become pretty annoying… 👍👍
I bet a 40v can chew through some wood.
@@MORGANSMaintenance yeah but that 12 volt is sure nice for finishing work I bought one for scribing the 40v definitely a 2 hand tool it will remove 4.5mm in one passor almost a quarter inch
Great UI/UX improvements from milwaukee, well thought and designed.
I really like it so far, just used it yesterday to scribe a filler installing some cabinets.
It seems great, but a dust collection bag for the m12 would’ve made it the best.
The bag works ok for a quick/small job with small shavings… but other than that it fills up in 2 seconds and starts clogging up the planer.
With the vacuum attachment taking multiple sizes you might could take a miter saw bag and put it on it…
Thanks for your thoughts 👍
@@MORGANSMaintenance oh thats a great idea. It would help keep the mess minimal for maintenance requests that require doors that need shaving in occupied spaces.
I have 1/2 dozen Milwaukee collectikn bacgs of various shapes and sizes. They all will fit if needed
@@MDRNY I did check and the bag off my smaller Miter saw fits it almost like it’s made for it.
Appreciate you letting us know 👍
Dang, I have the Bosch and like it…hate that kickstand too. Looks like I’m buying another tool.
I wanted this to make my batteries the same and I’ve had a buddy wanting to buy my Bosch… so that made it a little easier for me to swallow.
I hear you on the batteries. But I also have the Bosch 12v sander and trim router. Those are both great tools for there purpose. Sander is probably my favorite sander I have. Keep up the good work.
@@brianhall9019 👍
Yep, kickstand sucks.
Milwaukee 👍😊
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so you would replace the Bosch with Milwaukee? wow, the m12 doesn't bog as much as the Bosch.
If you are in Milwaukee or have neither Bosch tools or Milwaukee… yes. I think it’s the extra blade that helps
The Bosch bogs down on the higher settings, it’s just hard to take off that much at a time. You go thinner and it works well.
If you already have the Bosch and it’s working for you… it would be an upgrade, but the Bosch is still good enough to stay with what you got.
I have just been trying to slowly get my batteries to all be the same. I have a buddy that’s been wanting my Bosch one for awhile, so I decided to get the Milwaukee and give him the Bosch.
Great video !!! I have a question? Can I run Bosch 2" planer blades on Milwaukee 2" planer ?
I don’t think so because they are slightly a different size (thickness I think)… I ended up giving my Bosch planer to a friend, but next time I am around I will try to remember and check
I do remember they are slightly different though because I gave him my extra opened blades thinking I couldn’t use them… but I didn’t try it.
@@MORGANSMaintenance Thanks for the info bro. 🙂
Are the blades interchangeable between bosch and milwaukee?
@@jaival_rhaine no they aren’t, unfortunately they are different sizes
Love how us blokes always use the excuse of a bargain for buying yet more tools. ' yeah love if i spend over 250, i get a discount which ive already spent on more tools '.
You have to spend money to save money 😂😂
Hey Joey, it sounded like the M12 made less noise. Would you say that's right or are they too close to tell a difference.
It’s think it was quieter on the higher setting/bigger shavings.. I think that second blade seems to help quite a bit.
I noticed on playback the Bosch was getting into a knot which also gets louder.
I felt like overall it may have been slightly quieter though.
@@MORGANSMaintenance New blade also helps a lot to lower the noise.
@@donalexey 👍
Do you ever use a bigger electric planner not ether mains or 18v?
I only have a 110v Makita, it's great but big and heavy, I pretty much only use a power plane for hanging doors.
I have been looking at a cordless one for a long time, but not curious if the M12 is really all I need.
I use it on doors, studs, cabinets, etc… most anything I typically I used that for. I have an electric one but I can’t remember the last time I got it out.
It is pretty powerful for a 12v tool. I think the M12 will be better than the Bosch just from the little I’ve used it the last few days trying it out.
@@MORGANSMaintenance thanks I think I might give the little M12 a go. Unless I find a great deal on an 18v kne I have batteries for, I can't resist a bargain
@@heritagejonery3879 me either 😂. I just bought a M18 10” Miter Saw I didn’t need because it was a “bargain” 😂
😎🛠️😎🛠️😎
My man Ted 👍👍
I wonder who copied who? TTI took it from Bosch or the other way round?
I know.. I’ve always said the Bosch and Milwaukee 12v tools have to be made at the same place. All my Bosch tools I previously had and the 1st and 2nd Generation on Milwaukee are identical. The batteries are the same except the tabs and polarity are backwards.
@@MORGANSMaintenance They seems have settled some deal years ago.
Bosch should sue Milwaukee for copyright.
A lot of M12 and Bosch 12V tool look alike… along with the batteries. I’ve always said that I think they are manufactured in the same place.
I’m a huge Milwaukee fan, and even though this was just the 1st video of yours I’ve ever seen, clearly you are too!!!
In this Milwaukee vs Bosch 12v planer comparison, it was laughably obvious watching you portrayed Milwaukee to be so vastly superior.
Look at the way you ran the boss using such short and choppy passes….and on top of that, you planed over the exact same spot on that beam that you ran the Milwaukee over!!! So course it’s gonna look like the Milwaukee is hoggin out tons of material while the Bosch is barely makin chips.
Perhaps try being a little less biased on your next tool comparison, we were all laughing over your obvious agenda to promote one tool.
✌🏼
Sorry if it appeared biased.. if it was I wasn’t attempting for it to be. As I mentioned, both tools are good tools. To be honest the Milwaukee is superior, but If I was already in Bosch and not Milwaukee, I wouldn’t change platforms for it.
This was intended as more of a feature comparison since I own both, but I decided to show them both in action for people to see. I don’t do many performance comparison videos because there will never be a “completely equal” test. The Bosch got into more of a knot than the Milwaukee did, but if you change boards or spots someone else will say it must have been a harder board, etc.
As far as cutting…When you plane wood it doesn’t matter if you go over the same spot… it still planes wood to whatever thickness you have it set at. That’s what determines the chip size.
The newer blades on the Milwaukee probably helped more than anything.
I appreciate the feedback, it always helps.. thanks for watching 👍