A Beginner's Guide to Magic | Warhammer the Old World | Square Based Show
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In our first of many DEEP DOIVES Rob and Val explore the core rules around Magic in Warhammer the Old World, discuss some of the basic math around your chance of casting spells, and then go through every spell from every lore in the core rule book. It's a long one, but we think you'll have a good time!
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
10:15 Levels of Wizardry
12:38 What Spells a Wizard Knows
14:30 Spell Generation
18:23 Spell Types Overview
39:40 Choosing a Target
43:57 Casting Spells
44:20 Dispelling Spells
48:30 Miscast Table
55:25 Magic Math
01:04:00 Magic Lore Factions
01:08:00 Battle Magic
01:22:22 Daemonology
01:37:28 Dark Magic
01:51:49 Elementalism
02:06:46 High Magic
02:23:12 Illusion
02:36:40 Necromancy
02:48:22 Waaagh! Magic
03:00:00 Wrap-up
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As a dwarf player, I don’t know why I watched 3 hours about magic, seems like some elf nonsense. But I had a good time watching it! Great job guys, looking forward to more deep dives!
You've got to bring a good honest immovable grudgin anvil.
Know thy enemy.
I'm also a Dwarf player and I'm watching this to understand magic better so I can defeat magic.
Every deep dive needs to start with the submarine noise. Arguably the double awoooga. Val’s fuck up just established a new precedent.
The double is serious
This is the first Warhammer product I’ve ever bought. I’m putting together a force for a local escalation league to help learn the rules so this is a big help.
I wish I could live life with half the enthusiasm Val puts into his interpretive dance intros.
It breaths life into my day.
I watch your videos more than once... sometimes more than three times! I love your videos! I can listen to you geeks talk-Hammer all day, over and over again! Keep up the great work!
I think we're ok with this? Should we start using a safe word?
The more of these you put out the more i'm tempted to give old world a try. Love watching you guys bounce off each other with such great enthusiasm ❤
You have now been my favorite Old world channel! Keep em coming! :D
Love you Val! Thanks for coming on my show last week!
You two continue crush it!
Im new to the Old World and watching 😁 really excited to get in and ive chosen Dwarfs as my 1st army.
Enjoying the content, thanks
What's Magic is the way these two speak to my heart
I'm in love with the idea of a Beastlord with Mangelder, his bestigors having the Manbane standard, and that demonology spell for potentially -5 leadership.
Guys... I am one minute in and no matter how informative the video will be, thank you for your chemistry and the way that you present stuff!
Our pleasure!
If anyone else did a 3hr hour video on magic it would have been dry as ….., great job guys.
1 hour after dropping I've already enjoyed 3 hours of pure and unadulterated joy. #Squareblessed
Haha, tbis is the first time Ive watched on my TV instead of my phone.....let me tell you that the Val intro in 75 inch is something to behold.
So many cool spells to try but they’re gonna be difficult to learn. If only GW made a set of reference cards we could readily buy in shops or on their website.
And even if you did get a chance to pre-order, if you live in the East Coast USA, you couldn't get them anyway because the snow storms delayed all of the shipments to stores.
Indeed, you need no engagement bait, ngl, i started watching this to make an informed decision on my sorcerers' lores, staid for the mathgammer, fun and vibes, built my last chosennas you were talking about the lores I can't even take and still learned a lot about what I'll be up against
3 hours in and still a fan. What a thiccc, juicy review.
Thanks gang! I’d never have been able to sit and read all those, so big shout out to Val and Rob for helping this poor ADHDer out
I like the part where we deep dive!
Every deep dive needs that sound, put a smile on my face😂. Solid again lads. I commute home at the weekends and always listen to you guys for the 3 1/2 hours drive! Gutted I couldn't come to the opening at HQ as I only live 30 mins away but daughter was sick so couldn't make it. Keep up the great work lads, we are all still learning but it's fun doing it together, don't change a thing lads.
3 hours of lovely background awesomeness while I paint some models. I ended up starting Wood Elf army and I 100% blame your video :D
That submarine intro was glorious!
Absolutely love the deep dive alarm 😂 3 hours is nearly enough square based for a week.. Don't kill yourselves chasing more but anything you put out I'll keep clicking it O7
We will keep making!! Thanks!!
@@SquareBasedOldWorld I made it out the other side! I want to see Biggles Dwarf vs the 8 Feet of Gork
3 days and I made it to the end. A deep dive *insert sound effect* indeed! Great stuff.
I think the value of a lot of these Lores is increased by the Lore Familiar magic item which lets you choose your spells, especially ones like Elementalisim which have only a couple really good spells which if you can guarantee you can do a lot of list building around.
Id wish they kept that crazy shit on the miscast table. I need more of that gameplay in my life
Also, somehow this has made me even more excited to get my Night Gobbos on the table. It's going to be mayhem 😂
I could not think of what one might do with Hammerhand unless playing Warriors of Chaos or a treeman, but if I am understanding Shield of the Lady for the Handmaidens of Bretonnia, it would mean they can be in the rear of the unit safe but still cast Hammerhand as if still in the front fighting rank. This could be very useful for a level 1 or 2 Damsel.
Nice. Looking forwards to the Empire overview you’ve said is coming soon and more deep dives with both of you.
The deep dive intro, it made my day!
You smashed this video out the park guys.
Information was great and going need to watch the video more than once lol.
Outstanding review and the best intro to date, cried with laughter - even more hilarious on twitch. Deep dive!!
Thanks for the video
Our lads are in essentially sweat shop conditions, pumping out these videos thick and fast for our mass consumption!! 💕
Grafting like champions
@@SquareBasedOldWorld like champions, musicians and standard bearers. Full command.
YOu guys are killing it with all this amazing content! Keep it up!
By far the most entertaining warhammer duo. Keep up the great content!
Brilliant stuff as always, fun and educational, really loved getting Val's initial impressions on alot of the spells
Def the best Old World channel. Factions dives are awesome. Can't wait for the rest.
This helps with my night shift 👌
If I am going to Canada this year, I need a Pint or five with Val. What a dude!
This video is as long as a lord of the rings movie and packs more content. I love it!
Another epic show. Loving this, keep it up guys.
ALL the magical vortices!
Third watch, still learning every time 👍
Deep dive on Lizards please… 🙏
Loving all the content you guys are putting out! Keep up the good work
I love Val's sound board shenanigans
What an epic video. Love your work lads! You both have excellent chemistry feeding off each other, keep it up! I’m working on my Warriors of Chaos list and this video really helped in deciding how to flesh it out (taking more than one wizards now😂😂😂)
The casting odds table analysis is amazingly interesting. I thought that low level wizards were useless before seeing this!
That was a wonderful video. I’m excited to see how wild Bret can be with magic!
I survived till the end..I might have absorbed %10 of the content.. Worth
I tell you what is magic. These podcasts baby.
Oh you.
This channel carry the hype for TOW so hard! Thank you guys!
Great stuff fellas - really excited to get some games in.
HAND OF DALE
@43:00 laser line plus the corner 45° arrow tool are indispensable
Phenomenal work thank you for what you're doing! Pretty sure you guys are why I'm getting into the old world!
What an opening! love it!
This podcast is giving me LIFE
Keep in mind the Phantasmagoria only triggers at the end of the enemies movement. So they have a chance to dispel, and move away from it before it even can make them Impetuous or Panic (and Impetuous can't even trigger turn one).
This was what I was coming here to say. Even if you plop it down turn one and the trigger it by moving, they don't really suffer any ill effects from impetuous unless we circle all the way around to their turn again AND they fail to dispel it a second time.
Someone's gotta correct me if I'm wrong. From the Sister's of the Thorn rules, their Deepwood Coven ability states that they know one spell "chosen by their controlling player before armies are deployed." That reads that it's not randomly generated. If so, that's crazy-useful to guarantee you have Curse of Arrow Attraction.
Or plague of rust....
I went all the way! I managed to magnetise 13 Ungors, put three Dragon Ogres together and paint a Bray-shaman. Good times!
This is so great. Thank you for all of the hard work.
Thank you too!
This was so very helpful. Thanks!
This was great. Listened on Spotify so just wanted to leave a comment for the algorithm so here's my top 58 albums of last year
58. Asagraum - Veil of Death, Ruptured
57. Ghosts of Atlantis - Riddles of the Sycophants
56. Issa - Lights of Japan
55. Tradtorned - Into The Void
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Incredible video, lots of awesome info.
The major secondary benefit of dispel magic from my pov is that it makes casting harder to proc in the first place therefore you don't have to risk dispells as often
Also it would seem you can cast shield of saphery first and then cast another enchantment spell on the same unit since it only states it gets rid of ones cast previously
Also I see those devious cogs turning in your mind Rob with regards to vortex spam ;P It was some of the first magical shenanigans I thought of as well
Sisters of the thorn pillars of fire spam seems like a ridiculous standoff tactic since you can kite the casters away from potential dispels and keep crisping units whilst hampering their charges
Wind blast is also a contender for me since you can utilize the poisoned javelins at 12" and follow up with a wind blast to widen the distance even more, seems like a bit more reliable damage but less control so a combination of the 2 would probably be ideal
The fact that they are a special choice means that you can run 7 of them (@2k) as well which is just plain ridiculous since they all get to CHOOSE their spells BEFORE DEPLOYMENT from both battle magic and elementalism... the ultimate utility unit imho
I'm going to have vietnam flashbacks every time someone casts Drain Magic now.
Jesus christ these intros are the best
Ok, now I *NEED* some people with lots of O&G make a narrative game, both using O&G, both taking as many wizards as possible and the entire battle turning into a place with giant godfeet of magic stomping all over the field xD
I genuinely tried this my first game with two wizards. The fickle foot of Gork was more interested in stomping me than the bretonnians, but man it was worth it.
Well I'm going to give this a listen while I support some STLs for spicing up my units in my Vampire counts army.. looking good, Witches in the wood should look super cool.
Since you asked for comments on drain magic, I think it's a very weak effect. As Rob noticed, it's a remains in play, which means you opponent will get another free chance to dispel it, this time at it's base value, before they cast any spells. At 9+ that's trivial for a level 4 and pretty easy for even a level 2. Even if it's not dispelled it's quite weak. Unless you have low level wizards attempting high difficulty spells the +2 casting value requirement will mostly be irrelevant. A level 4 doesn't really care if it needs to roll a 6 instead of 4, on 2d6 since it's aiming for much higher than that or it will be easily dispelled.
So for this spell to have any impact at all you need to:
1 Successfully cast it.
2 Opponent fail to dispel it
3 Opponent fail to dispel it at it's base value on their turn
4 Opponent roll exactly 1 or 2 below the new modified casting value
That's an absurd requirement. Overall a very disappointing signature. Should have been -2 to the opponents casting roll, and lasts until your next start of turn sub phase instead of remains in play.
It's cast on a 9, you have to beat the casting value to dispel, so the dispel on their turn needs a 10+. That's pretty easy for a lvl 4 to beat, but pretty good against multiple lower level casters who are failing more than they succeed, and that's where the +2 casting value is also at its most effective. Certainly a very matchup dependent spell, but does not seem bad.
@@mikereed4594 That's true, good point. Yeah still quite easy for a level 4 but a little bit harder than I'd thought.
I agree it's decent against multiple low level casters. It's just a shame that that's already when you're dispelling most enemy spells with your level 4. You'd really want drain magic to help when you're evenly matched or even behind (like against Chaos +6 to cast). But drain magic will do basically nothing there.
Awesome video guys! Great Submarine intro 😂
Waaagh! magic is without a doubt THE most chaotic magic there is and man does it look like that now more than ever.
Thanks again Rob and Val for all the work you guys do, so much. Cheers!
You guys are fantastic.
One thing I realized for assailant spells is that if you have higher Initiative than your opponent, you can wipe out their front line and prevent them from hitting back. So hammerhand is brutal vs dwarfs let's say, because you take away their heavy armor and take down several front rank models with great weapons before they get to hit you
I think Rob has convinced me to start a beastmen army
Me too
Rob has convinced me to expand me to expand my Beastmen army
Great video!
Wind Blast is a killer - you can push enemy units off the board instantly killing them or pushing them into dangerous terrain etc. Brutal
1:09:32 loremaster of hoeth casting hammerhand with ASF sounds good. He can do that in addition to chopping down fools with his greatsword.
Enjoyed the deep doive
love the show, and Vals intro shenanigans makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. Thanks for the deep dive :D
"We cover all rules and all spell lores"
Lies! Deceptions!
We is my rune magic mate !?
Runes are the future, you umgak! - Bardin Goreksson
Imagine calling runes magic? By grungis beard!!
@@SquareBasedOldWorld well, as the runes are future, lesser umgak races could learn better options than simple magic. Natural order would be to present Rune Lore as last, emphasising it's being a best solution of all previously shown.
Due to modesty I would not expect a full dedicated show only focusing on Rune Lore (as it would be ... welll quite short!).
Helblaster with Engineer and Curse of Arrow Attraction on the target = a battlefield of pink mist 😄
Best Old World content!
Im just out here raw dogging all 3 hours of this video. Very Square Based
About Phantasmagoria, I am guessing there will be discussions about enemy units that didnt move but are in range of the template. The casting player will say they endet their movement inside and the defending player will say "i didnt end any move since i didnt move".
2:48:29 WAG magic! Does it help you get married to a footballer?
I for one cannot wait for my 8 5 inch goblins template list
High Magic can only be cast once per caster. Range: Self. Hex says "cannot be cast on the same unit multiple times". You are casting it on yourself. With multiple spellcasters, you can put down multiple hexes.
I survived to the end of the video and am engaging in the content, and NOT taking Rob's content bait. (Joke from 2:49:00)
If you have two lvl2 wizards vs one lvl 1 wizard, the two lvl2 wizards can also spread out, and make it so that the lvl4 wizard can't be in dispel range of both.
I watch every show multiple times to address the views/subscriber situation.
I watch them all a lot
I can't wait to see what bonuses to cast dark magic the Dark Elves get
I'm going to start beginning work calls like Val
What about double ones on fated dispel? Who suffers miscast effects? If I missed the answer - sorry!
No one
Oh! Oh! It's Magic!
1:22:15 Here you say that you get to pick spells if you roll doubles? This isn't true though right? It just says you re-roll duplicate results. I think the picking on a double is from another edition. Also at 14:30 you say the same thing? You both seem very sure so I'm confused if I've missed something.
That was my read from the rules as well. Great video deep dive into Magic though! Lot is new, so important to dump out all the other editions of Warhammer Fantasy from the brain. 😅
Val's glasses remind me of DeNiro's driving glass in Killers of the Flower Moon. Also, putting over 3 hours into the Magic phase before the rulebook hits us normies' hands is so Square Bassed. Love it, guys.
Keen to see more Duip Duives!
I think I saw a unit of marauders can be skirmishers. 20-30 of them marked Tzentch and 5 Lv2 sorcerers spamming blue fire at +3 sounds wild.
Id only Steed of Shadows could be cast before the charge phase, an 8x3 brick of say, chosen, or Knights of the Realm on foot. A 13-18 inch charge range.
It’s still a fantastic spell though, but damn, I’d take it start of charge phase on an 11+!
Also, Daemonic Vessels, you guys kept talking about it buffing units, but it clearly says “self”, caster and mount only. The units don’t get +1 Str, attacks, and AP1. Only ever the caster.
Only other thing you guys seem to be missing is that most remain in play spells, like Drain Magic, templates, and buffs and hexes can be dispelled each round for its casting value. As it’s cast you need to beat the casters roll, but the next turn it’s dispelled at its value. Or that’s how I’ve seen it played in multiple places.
Also, great work and great videos.