"Do You Feel Ashamed?" Julia Hartley-Brewer CLASHES With LGBTQ Campaigner
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- Health Secretary Victoria Atkins says she has had "enough" of a "culture of secrecy and ideology" around gender care for children.
Writing in the Daily Telegraph, she criticised NHS England practitioners, in response to a landmark review into gender care practices.
The Cass review said children had been "let down" by a lack of research on the use of puberty blockers and it called for gender services to match the standards of other NHS care.
The paediatrician behind Wednesday's report, Dr Hilary Cass, said clinicians were also affected by the "toxicity" of public debate around transgender identities.
TalkTV's Julia Hartley-Bewer clashes with campaigner for the LGBTQ+ community Zoe Chowney over gender care for children and whether those with differing opinions hsould be labelled as 'right-wing bigots'.
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Men Are Not Women. Women Are Not Men
Yeah your right, trans women are women and trans men are men thank you for clarifying that :))
@@Scarlettvoid The fact you have to distinguish with use of the hyphenated prefix 'trans' refutes your claim.
A=A
The law of identity bows to no man, or woman.
@@Scarlettvoid in the words of Alan Partridge... "I think you know you're wrong, don't you?" 😂😂😂..... we just laugh at you guys.....
@@LordEriolTolkien How Dare you ?? 😤
XY chromosomes can never be found in women and XX chromosomes can never be found in men. Impossible to change. It's that simple.
Wear what you like, stay out of women’s spaces! Leave kids alone!
I used to feel that way too. But now it feels like they are cosplaying women. Like we are a costume. And that bothers me. Because being female is a lot more than wearing makeup and a dress.
@@SequoiaDryad
Most of the time women wear trousers 👖 it's only on special occasions we wear a dress and high heels 👠. Also we are not as sexually motivated as men
it really is that simple
What’s a woman’s space dear? Do explain.
@@robertdexter5342I didn’t think anyone was so dim that this had to be explained, but women’s washrooms, locker rooms, hospital wards, medical clinics and prisons are examples of “women’s spaces”. 🤦♀️
Society is utterly doomed if such objective facts need explanation.
A man in Drag is fine with me, but it will always be a man.
You are skating on thin ice, bud. Better hope the FBI doesn't catch wind of your blatant bigotry and hate speech.
Hilarious! Did you think that up all by yourself?
He's not fooling anyone
He could star in horror movie without (more) make-up.
only himself...
so he didn't want to conform .... didn't make him female.
It's not about conforming. We don't conform to our sex we just be. I think some people may have been another gender in a past life
@@rampakeshbharat1938 damn, you beat me to it 😂
Dear God, it's time to stop pandering to these unhinged individuals.
tbf this person is a moderate voice and not one of the unhinged.
leave the children alone !
All an all your just another brick in the wall!
You leave them alone
You leave the children alone. Other peoples children are not your business.
@@Scarlettvoid typical braindead reply from an NPC
@@Scarlettvoid Okay MAP
There are not extremists on both sides. The extremists are those pushing this nonsense on children and the public
Hear hear!
100%
Exactly! It's extreme to mutilate children and not extreme to stop it!
I want to go back to when it was the LGB and we didn't have to worry about these stupid activist ruining everything.
@@myplaylist7007 it never needed to be 3 letters. G would have done.
Be trans and own it. Do as you like with your life and your adult body. Like or dislike others. That’s a free society. But - don’t harm children, don’t pretend biology is wrong, and respect my right to like or dislike you too.
Nobody has brought up the subject of decieving children - if they see someone like this they will think they are a woman - and under law in schools a man is not allowed to take a female to the toilet.
Yeah, I wanted to be taller. I wanted not to start going bald at 15. But I didn't go round demanding everyone pretend I was 6'6" and looked like Brad Pitt because, you know, reality.
In my eyes, your a Norse God my friend 👍
Grass never grows on a busy motorway...
@Ed.southeast that's weird, I didn't detect any bitterness, just realism, rather refreshing!
Well said - wishes aren't reality - if only.
Nobody in UK is against trans people. This isnt Qatar or Somalia
People just dont like being bullied into upholding a highly questionable ideology
spot on
I don’t want to be apart of their lie and I defend kids from being mutilated.
@clovermark39 like 99% of people
Do you thinks transexuals are a conpiracy and that there's no such thing?
@@kevtb874 I didn't say that.
I'm not talking about the people, I'm talking about the ideology - it's based on a lie, because no mammal has ever been observed to change gender.
All the aggression is coming from the trans movement.
Any aggressive coming from the non trans movement is frustration based on the push for us to accept your views and feelings and ultimately being pushed onto children which to me just screams child predators
Definitely child abuse.
The tiny hats invented this rubbish. They are behind all the wars and social chaos.
Just ridicule coming from the non trans movement.
Zoe nailed it here. Let's just let people be people.
JHB as usual totally missing the point as usual and not embracing Zoe and her absolutely perfect suggestions.
@@widearchshark3981 transwomen never, ever have to go through a colposcopy, dying from ovarian cancer at 25, having an ectopic pregnancy burst and the unbearable pain of a belly full of blood, giving natural birth, Pap smears. Perimenopause and menopause. Never, ever do they have to experience that nor any of the other gynecological difficulties natal females endure. They don’t know what it’s like to be a natal female and they never, ever will. Please explain to me how it is hate to point out OBVIOUS differences between male and female anatomy.
@@annabodot962 neither do women die of prostate cancer. Are you actually gatekeeping being a woman because you potentially have to suffer more?
I think we can all agree that biologically there are differences. But why does that mean someone can't feel they are trapped in the wrong body? Shouldn't they be allowed to live their life how they wish without prejudice?
That's why I liked Zoe. She gave a balanced answer to this whole thing. Just let people live their lives.
But this doesn't compute for JHB who sees everything in black and white and can only engage with extremist teenagers.
Make Asylums Great Again - MAGA
Unfortunately, the inmates have taken over.
@@sterling-gd3hx Exactly. We used to lock them up and get them to see doctors, but now we let them run our institutions and lecture us.
You would need so many. But there are plenty of space, for those people in Saudi Arabia, or Iran. Such big countries have a lot of space.
Excellent 😂😂😂
I love this!
I cannot believe we are at a stage where we seriously have to discuss and defend biological facts!
Absolutely..we live in a twisted world 🌎
people are trained to ignores .. science proved the Bi ble was nonsense 100 years ago...
Haven't you heard, 2 + 2 now equals 3 or 5 but never 4.
I know right!! The worlds gone insane!
@@Neil-AspinallI saw that video, it's where someone is saying even maths is racist
The world is broke, how this insanity is even a thing is beyond me
I find life very distressing these days. Hard to keep hope
Do you know why in medias GREED together with homeless is never discussed?
It's because we have abandoned the idea of serving a higher power/purpose. Society is all about the individual now..... rather than seeing ourselves as small parts of a bigger, more important society. Because everyone believes 'they' are right, society is dividing more and more against itself. If more of us shared a common ideology, society would be more cohesive. The idea of God and the Church has been replaced Ed by the idea of I and Me.
I couldn’t agree more Ben it beggars belief.
magic seems to be popular throughout the ages ...
All the aggression has come from the transformers, everybody else is merely defending themselves & protecting their kids.
He can want all he wants, just like he can lie all he wants, doesn't mean its true.
At least these people show themselves as absolutely unhinged individuals every time that they are given airtime
AMEN 🙏🏼
I think this is what she is pointing to on both sides. She was completely lucid, very pleasant, and said nothing that was confrontational or controversial. She just expressed herself, after quite frankly Julia went off on one. There are many extremists in the trans community on the left, and certainly extremes on the right. Some issues you have to draw boundaries on, but where you can meet in the middle, if we're aiming for a decent society, peaceful and prosperous society, we must.
I mean as things go, this person was pretty reasonable tbh. If you want to pretend to be a women and don't get bent out of shape if people won't carry on the pretence and you don't want special privileges or access to female spaces... then go for it. It's when they demand a falsehood to be true and the indoctrination of kids that I have an issue with.
@@phily8093 HE.
@@tyhar7493 Exactly, they were perfectly reasonable. I agree with them, its like school kids fighting in the playground while the adults look on in embarrassment.
Don't think he's seeing straight
😂
Dang, I cackled at this 😂
@@skeppsica witches cackle alot luv don't worry
Cluster B.
😂
So that's a dude then.
Yes it is , but I must say he has really great hair !
@@evieshore3270 Only because of hormone injections.
Who Julian Brewer ?
@anti-ciOnly because of the wig hes wearing tixen-9852
@@leehenry5764 Could be, but looks real to me.
that's a bloke wearing lipstick
"DUDE LOOKS LIKE A LADY" AREOSMITH
....and a dress. And from what I see in other comments - a wig. You know what they say about pigs and lipstick or men and dresses. Neither creates the "desired" effect.
So what
Lol why always red lipstick
Bet he still shaves ears and nose lol
XX female, XY male. if someone chooses to live as the opposite chromosomes, that is up to them. what they can't do, is change their chromosomes.
Sorry but rhere is also people who have mixed set of cromosomes XXY and YYX etc.
@@SatumainenOlentothat’s anomaly 🤷🏻♂️ ppl born with one leg from some reason and we still consider humans as two legged ,right ? 🤷🏻♂️
Nice to see this person speaking rationally and calmly about this divisive issue. The interviewer was less impartial and more hostile.
Stonewall said there would be NO debate. One side threatens people and it's not the people who want to protect children.
And there we have it Ladies and Gentlemen, the man in a dress can offer no evidence to support his claims.
No extreme views at all. Just common sense and decency on the right.
Imagine feeling discomfort about something, but then, instead of analysing yourself to find out why that is, you just blame everyone else for it.
This is the level of intelligence we're dealing with here, folks.
They can try to sound as rational as they want but the minute they touch a kid ALL bets are off. And that line has already been crossed.
She should ask, " How's it hanging" that would sort it.
Watch the back tracking from certain people and organisations. I don't care what they do as long as they leave children ALONE. No one cares any more , sick of people walking on egg shells around certain members of the public who suffer from one delusional belief or another. Not complying.
These people are sooo self-centred, it is a scandal what has happened to some of these confused children and an investigation should be held and those compliant jailed
Give him a pill and move on ffs.
I saw a man recently wearing a dress. I didnt know whether to laugh or cry. Its enough to see these people (not on a camera - not on a picture - but in real life) to know something is wrong.
Oh dear...
Mozart wore wigs and tights , women even fought to wear trousers
@@thetransagender2866 Still never claimed to be a woman though.
@@thetransagender2866that’s fashion, not mental illness. I went through it as a child because I was exposed to things no 6 year old should be. I didn’t want to be a girl because of it. I was a tomboy in the 70s played football and cricket wanted to join the army. Thankfully my mum spoke truth over me and said God made you a girl get on with it. No pandering I was angry at the time but so happy she loved me enough to be truthful. Most kids go through something weird. I’m happily married to a man and we have 4 children if that had of been me now I would have people telling me yes be a boy here drugs. It would have ruined my life. Protect children if adults want to dress the opposite sex then just get on with it stop confusing kids.
@@thetransagender2866 It is so tedious when people blur relevant distinctions. Mozart wore a wig in an era when upper-class men wore wigs. He did not present as a woman. He did not claim to be a woman or demand to be referred to as a woman. Those are four different things.
The reality for those with sexual dysphoria is undeniably disturbing, but to rehabilitate them should not require those without this affliction to deny the basis of their biological reality & experience.
I don’t think you mean biological reality. Objectively, biological reality cannot be changed by surgery or wearing make-up. And if it was only about THEIR experience why do they insist upon certain words and behaviour from others who do not share the delusion.
Nobody is denying their reality or experience. Alcoholism is a terrible disease that is very often caused by people's trauma. It doesn't mean we should allow an alcoholic to drive and risk others safety so we don't hurt their feelings.
It must be a very difficult experience to think you are the wrong gender but it doesn't mean your difficult experience should affect other people's lives negatively.
A woman shouldn't have to see a penis in the changing rooms because it's attached to a man who's got problem with accepting who they truly are.
Nobody has a right to force their trauma onto others! It's abuse.
Any barrier to a trans lived experience was described as 'transphobic'....this included any form of debate, questioning or critical analysis..."just believe" was the mantra!
Now ya saying 'can't we all just get along'...No, No, No, it's time for:
ACOUNTABILTY 👌
My main issue with this whole trans thing is the willing lack of linguistic accuracy and honesty. A biological man who wants to live as a woman is not a trans woman, he is a trans man ie a man who is trans. The insistence on twisting the definition of week know and week used words to suit their narrative is simply dishonest and unacceptable.
Is that a bloke??? FFS...
Yep he sure is
Yes. Some men are wired differently to other blokes and funny so they say they're women
Quite obviously.
"Can't we just come together and talk rationally"?....well one side tried, the other side threw it's teddy bear in the corner and adopted a "no platform" strategy.
Yes, I'm tired of the whole existence argument. No one is denying their existence 🤦🏻♀️
People are though and people would want said people dead
@@Scarlettvoidthere are extremists on both sides of the argument..
@@davids.2317Like Julia asks, what are the so-called extremists on the gender critical side saying? That men can’t be women and children shouldn’t be mutilated? Lock us all up I guess.
@@Scarlettvoid how do you kill something you don't believe exsists?
@@Gingerblaze you dont believe that trans people exist ?
MAN IN A DRESS. 😅
My god! At last, a reasonable polite discussion from someone who has genuinely been through it.
This transwoman is about to be cancelled merely for saying, "I don't think trans children are a thing; I think they're probably confused or experimenting". What a world we live in.
There is NO middle-ground about this at all...
Just LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE, is all we ask !!!
What a lovely Transwoman. I’m glad she exists 💖
Creepy creepy creepy. All I see.
What a mess.
Funny how now....they want rational conversations.
Support lgb not lgbt because thats just a fantasy
What if people don’t want to support both
And b is just hedging your bets.
No problem with gays or lesbians whatsoever, good luck to them. They have never bullied anyone.
What do you mean support? Who is being supported and how?
@@count69 I think he mean back.
All these people are like.....me me me me my my my my.....enough about you back to me!!
“But enough about me. Let’s talk about you. What do you think of my pronouns?”
Enough about me, I - how about us as a society.
Extreme views on both sides...
my backside...
Stop giving these activists attention.
Who is this bloke in drag ?
many reasons ... a whole thesis!
Transformers, robots in disguise!
kids need support, not surgery and life changing irreversible drugs!
I don't know this person but I would not be surprised if a month ago he'd be shouting 'bigot!' with no provocation.
I hope the Cass report makes a difference, but I worry about the depth of brainwashing over the last 10 years. Hard to undo.
Brewer doing what she does best.. Ignoring real issues the British people face
I’ll never understand why those of us who will never experience this have the most to say. I don’t know why we feel that we need to make this debate about us. We should say less and listen more and also be grateful that we haven’t faced the difficulties Trans people do. I stand by them and wish them well.
As much as he knows he's a man, I reckon the extreme side he's trying thinking of is when he's not accepted as a woman in woman spaces. It's not extreme. It's a boundary.
I was a too tall too skinny girl with ugly teeth and also prayed every night to look different. These feelings are not exclusive to trans. I’ve still got ugly teeth unfortunately but I don’t think the trans ‘community’ would be interested in my feelings but I’m expected to care about theirs .
"Ugly" (like beauty) is in the eye of the beholder
You'll find somebody - not all men are shallow - there are plenty of men out there that will see you for what you are and like what they see.
It fascinates me that liberals think something as dynamic as our climate should NOT change but something as absolute as our gender SHOULD.
Anyone fed up of hearing the word trans?
If people just accepted them as people who exist this wouldn't have to be a thing. It's just an easy target for the right to get angry about that's topical and gets clicks.
They had to give up gay bashing since gays won and became mainstream and accepted. Trans people will too. They are just going through the same exact fight for acceptance gay people did a generation ago.
@@kevtb874 this is the opposite. Same sex attraction exsists in many species including humans. Beliving you are the opposite sex and undergoing extreme, medical csstratinmg surgical and hormonal body modification procedures, is not.
"Trans" is not something one is, it isn't even something that can be done. Its a belief.
@@Gingerblazeit's hard to examine whether animals can be trans because we can't ask them but the spectrum of hormones and people and possibilites suggests it can be so.
Are trans people faking? Why do they continue to exist if it's not real?
What should be done instead? What's your solution?
"Transformers - robots/men/women in disguise" The younger people won't get that - these people are decepticons.
I think this guest is very reasonable, and is a nice person
I think this lad presented his view and himself very well. Good on you mate.I don't neccesserilly agree with the presenter.. you only have to read comments in social media to see some quite toxic comments on the "other side" its a mess but sensible folk like this fella seem to a good contribution to the discussion.
Nobody, I do not care who or what you are, wins rights by taking them off others, in the eighties gay n lesbian people just wanted equal rights, not rights to push it in the face of anybody else, but that is exactly what is happening now.
Thailand has it right they call themselves "Ladyboys" over there not "Women", ask Alan Partridge.
Most of South East Asia I believe. Indonesia has the term Benchong.
Lol..I just listened to Alan audio book..he really is strange dude lol..we need to talk about Alan
You're showing your age as I am in recognising it, but you're right.
Not really a 'clash', more of an amicable discussion.
They seem to be very much in agreement.
Finally, somebody measured, who is able to converse from the LGBTQ side! You need to get her back on Julia!
If men wore makeup & dresses & women didn't does that mean in that world a man that identifies as a woman wouldn't wear dresses & makeup??
So simple. But probably a spiral self destruct conundrum to the Trans dude.
This man is not helping. Excuses and more excuses! Nobody cares about him,we care about children. Nobody thinks he's a woman.
This whole thing must stop.
Not one will admit they were wrong.
.
I agree with Julia 100%
However,.it is nice to see a calm person from the trans community & a ,calm discussion,thankyou
What I don't get is why you can't just go do your own thing. Be what you want to be and don't shove your views down my throat everyday.
Low self esteem in someone who has no practical skills or abilities to acquire the attention they desperately seek.
Comedy requires the ability to be funny. Sports require the ability to be athletic. Dressing up, being loud and being a victim gets plenty of attention while requiring no skills or effort and is possible from anyone. So it's easy.
Unfortunately the attention doesn't last long before people get bored and sick of it so the behaviour has to get more extreme to attract people's focus.
@@kieranb7047 Spot on . 👍
@@kieranb7047
I agree. He failed as a man
Because you can't decide to be a man if you are a woman and vice versa - it's nonsense - certainly do it in private but don't expect the rest of us to comply.
It's far more serious than acting like kids in the playground.
That's a man
in lipstick
Julia, as always hits the nail on the head 😊
"I hate all this polorization in the debate", is such a stupid comment. Often debates are at polar opposites in their logic, that's the nature of debate.
That guy should have been offered therapy as a child not surgery.
The big face is the give away 😂
OMG just listening to him is exhausting. These people desperately need proper therapy to shift them out of this horrific delusion
I have had a celebrity crush on JK Rowling for a long time and the fact she speaks her mind makes her even better :D
She has a fantastic imagination and talent to write all of those books!
If folk stopped talking about it all the time and left kids out of it there would be no issue.
I would not want that man in my locker room
Well said Julia, your guest was really squirming. All the toxicity is on their side.
The more these people talk, the more ridiculous they sound .
Yes, THERE ARE extremists on BOTH sides. There are just as many people still calling real trans people mentally ill as there are LGBTQ activists calling regular people all kinds of inappropriate things. Each side needs to admit and address this for any meaningful dialogue to happen.
I am 'trans stature".
You may think I am average height at 6 foot, but I feel that I am a 'little person' who was born in the wrong body and I am really only 4 foot 3.
Now I demand that you must affirm my feelings and give me all the same disability assistance that any other little person is entitled to get.
It isn't extremist to want to protect children
Why are these people given airtime
Yet you watch aghast? Bet you knocked one out.
This women is a honest person and is listening to the other side of the story, we need this kind of person to talk to the children who are effected by these issues well done both sides….
Why? Zoe is s CEO of a tech company, not a parent.
@@Gingerblaze😂😂 I know lol
We are just bored with these people ramming it down our throats saying that we should bow down to their thoughts that we should run around after them.
This lady is awesome!
I wouldn't say ashamed as a gay man because for a long time many of us have seen and denounced the toxicity of the LGBT community and hence why a lot of us don't have anything to do with the LGBT community and instead mix with like minded individuals in multiple groups.
A lot of us have been waiting for the rest of society to wake up as the community has needed a well deserved spanking for a long time as what used to be a movement for equal rights has become a struggle to remain relevant and feel special which no one is.
Its the community who needs to learn how to mix with other groups as opposed to the current and narcissistic approach of it being all about them - their feelings are not the only feelings that matter and it's time they learnt it's about more than just them - which in this instance has come about due to the fundamental lack of honesty and care trans activists and their supporters have given to other groups which has led to vulnerable children being harmed.
Where does a person join the LGBTARTHSTE+-Q community? I have yet to see anywhere..
I wish everyone spoke like Zoe… although she is denying that there is a problem from the Trans community
He can't think of anything to support his views.
Emotions over facts rules
The constant changes and movements in her eyes and expressions told me that she was also in an uncertain state of mind.
I better think what my party thinks so I don't lose my job.
I really feel uncomfortable watching men playing as women. Really uncomfortable 😣
"Getting old now I was born in the 70s" Well I was born in the 50s
Sixties here
I was born in the 1970 and I look so much younger than him. Maybe because I accepted the world and myself as we are without having a decades long his-sy fit.
How to i complain to the NHS asking why i am waiting for a hip replacement and that was in 2019 and still waiting ? Do you know what's ment by quality of life ? Me neither
Julia is gorgeous. A real woman.❤️😍
why is that Bruce dressed like a shirley ?
That’s a horrible thing to say about Julia Brewer
@@thetransagender2866You are trying but failing, oh dear how sad never mind.
Well said Austrailian, but your government is the wokest in the Southern hemisphere, the only one run by mainly white people - virtue signalling anyone?
It's extreme to mutilate children and not extreme to oppose it!