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Ducati 848 Evo v Yamaha R6 v Daytona 675
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ย. 2010
- Ducati's new 848 Evo has taken the supersports category to new heights. But can the 140bho twin match the amazing 675 or Yamaha's screaming R6?
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The moment when the R6 is considered the most comfortable and most gentle power delivery. What a time
IKR?
comfortable LOL^^
OMG a comparison that puts the same tires on the bikes!! Awesome!! Liked!!!!
+JortsRider But different size engines. ;-)
Ziggy different amount of cylinders require different cc capacity.. I hope you learned a bit about engines in those two years since you commented that.
you're here just for the 848
True
The fact that the R6 did so well in the comparison, proves how awesome it is.
I've owned ALL 3 of these bikes, and have to say that this review is absolutely bang-on.
Everything he said is completely true (except that the 848 is actually 849cc)
I thought I'd never enjoy a bike more than my r6...until I got my 675, and couldn't imagine a 2 cylinder engine having as strong an engine with a top end like the 848evo.
Even if you test ride one, if it's accompanied, you won't be allowed to sample the best bits of either engine.
All brilliant, but the triumph is better than the
This report is almost 3 years old, the Triumph 675 now delivers over 120 hp and is a completely updated bike for 2013. Love to see a re-run of this comparo
We don’t need it, everyone’s knows that 675r beat them from the beginning.
I just sold my 06 r6, now I want an 848 evo : )
This is one of MCN's best videos!! (Im talking technically, not content.) Well filmed, well edited, great quality, great array of cameras. Hope they keep it up.
Also, liked how you tested each bike accurately and fairly, eliminating the variables and getting to the core of each bikes performance.
Twins and inlines works totally differently though in the way that they produce power. Like how the 675cc triple Daytona competes with the 600cc I4 Jap bikes, the 848cc twin Ducati is an equal competitor. Very different engines, CC's aren't the only thing to look at ;)
R6 he said was comfortable, that is funny. the other two, which i have not ridden must be hell on 2 wheels
AHS Society haha good point. I find the R6 the least comfortable of the 600s, but still much more comfortable than the 848. I have not hidden the 675 yet :(
A bigger cc bike is faster than smaller cc bikes. A more expensive bike has better components than a cheaper one. Thanks MCN keep up the in depth reporting.
Wow, you're a really fun guy to hang out with............ NOT
just angry the europeans can still build a better bike the the japs?
I've rode many 600cc bikes over a decade ago (no litre bikes), but haven't rode since until I bought my 2012 848 Evo a couple of months ago. Technology now has advanced leaps and bounds since then. This is the first bike I've ever owned. It's still being broken in, so it's been restricted. Considering that it's a middle weight bike, it's torquey enough get around town without it being a pain. It rides very smooth, looks fantastic, and you'll get compliments/looks all the time.
The 675R was 1 second quicker than the 848EVO around the same track, in another video. Dont know what tyres were on them though. ALSO, 848cc is definitely too much to compare to the R6 or 675, even if it's a twin. The Supersports class is 600cc 4 cl, 675cc 3cyl, or 750cc 2cyl.
I normally don't post, but this video is right up my alley. I've always had Japanese sportbikes with my most recent being a 2004 R6, and 2006 GSXR600. I wanted something different this go around, and was wanting another V-Twin. Ducati/Aprilia were the obvious choices, however, I found the Triumph by accident and it was instant love. I picked up a new D675 this past Tuesday, and have 260 miles on the clock thus far. Absolutely stunning machine in the twisty stuff. Cant wait to finish break-in. :)
Time for an update after 12 years! How did the Daytona hold up?
The Duke should be compared to a GSXR 750 to be fair since it is not a supersport at all!
Love my R. I was looking at the 848, and it is priced cheaper than the 675R. I just love the feel and power of the R. Super steady torque curve and constant delivery of power all the way up the tach. Highly adjustable ohlins suspension, and great brembos up front. After ditching the OEM exhaust and putting a 2bros CF slip on to the rear, I dropped 14 lbs off the bike and am sitting at about 395 wet. LOVE THIS BIKE!
Triumph for sure,
Please do another when the 765 comes out between it and the 959 & new r6! Would be great
I saw 256 on the R6 VS 257 km on the Daytona.
In my opinion both bikes are great machines, if you like an R6 is a beautiful and best good looking of all 600cc “with a powerful engine and good chasis, in the other hand the Daytona 675R is a track bike with great suspension and brakes and the best engine performance, it is a matter of taste!
So basically, 850cc>675>599. Mind blown! Thank fuck for reviews!
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 That's why I went for the 848, instead of an 1198. My 999S was another dry clutch bike and could get a bit snatchy when it got hot. The wet clutch on the 848 makes a big difference and the power/gearing is better suited to road riding.
As for comfort, I found my Fireblade to be more uncomfortable than the 848. Plus the low down grunt of a twin is so addictive.
I recall leaving naval air station Pensacola on my ducati 848 and as soon as I got out of sight of the gate guards I hid it came around a corner rolled on the throttle and that front and started to shake something fierce. I can identify with that heavy rear end but boy was that a fun bike
Isit me or MCN becomes what it supposed to become long time ago? I mean proper bike review ANNNDDD a Proper CAMERA!!! Finally!!
Great job man, understanding that they're all the same class of bike, aimed at the same market, and directly compete with each other.
Perfect comparison TY
Yes... Speed, velocity, comfortability and personal opinion with real life pov experience... Great comparison 😃
i have the 08 r6, love it but hate it coz you need to rev it to get anywhere. not so comfy when youre cruising in the centre of town
R6 comfortable? Let me tell you that is not a fact.
Relativity. Comfortable among the three. I wouldn't know....but thats what he said.
I do, I own two
As i said i would not know.
I just have the 2013 Daytona 675 ABS.
That's a nice bike, I sat on one at a bike show and liked it. I liked the Ducati 848 the least.
@TychoCelchu Indeed, I haven't read a single review of the 848/1098/1198 where it's been called anything but beautiful (even if they complain about it being uncomfortable or whatever). It's simply a head-turning piece of functional art. I didn't like the looks of the 999/749 but they were great bikes. I recently traded an f4 for an 1198s Corse edition to get in some serious track time. As much as i love ducs though still kept my cbr600rr for going around town, ducs hate traffic.
You're right about the GSX-R750, but the 848 is not in the "supersports" class either. Ducati have only homologated the old 748 in World Supersport, never the 848. The only reason the 848 is compared with these bikes is that there's nothing directly comparible to it.
@Archerke I currently own a 1098R, before that I had a GSXR750, GSXR1000, Honda1000R, R1, and a FZR600. I’ve tested the 848 not the 848 Evo, the Evo should be even better and I liked the 848. These bikes are only hard to ride at slow speeds and yes they are uncomfortable. These bike were not designed for comfort, but for speed. The 1098 is hard to ride on twisty roads, moving the bike from side to side is a lot of work.
@daRealCrazy Yep, the brakes are different and with all the engine mods, Cycle World registered 1.6 more hp from the EVO than the non-EVO.
But the CBR is slower and has no character in comparison (I used to have a CBR600RR - and loved it, not just trolling). The suspension in the 675 can be softened for road use and is like a magic carpet when done properly.
The CBR is a more rounded bike but it's nowhere near as involving to ride, it just depends what you want in a bike... I'd rather do a long touring trip on a CBR I know that much, but for track days or a 2 hour weekend blat it'd be the 675 every time for me
I own the same R6 but in black, and Im falling in love with the Ducati... I don't mind owning both bikes in the near future ;)
This video is testament to the supersports bike and the problems they suffer with sales. The 848 "wins" because of track performance, but the vast majority of these bike sales will be to ride on the road. It sounds like the R6 is probably the most usable road supersports, which is a shame as I really like the 848 but probably wouldn't get near a track most of the time.
r6 for sound and refinement, 848 for sound and looks. ducatis are such beautiful bikes
The last time Ducati competed in World Supersport was 2007 with the 748. The 848 has never competed in World Supersport. Quote from the FIM rules for Supersport:
"To be eligible for World Supersport, a motorcycle must have a four stroke engine of 400 to 600 cc for four cylinder machines, 500 and 675 cc for three cylinder engines and 600 and 750 cc for twins".
The only reason the 848 is compared to these bikes is relative performance and lack of anything directly comparible to the 848.
I'm afraid the title of this video is a bit misleading. The Ducati tested is a 2010 848. The 848 EVO is its replacement and came out in 2011 with 6 BHP more and better brakes.
Yeah was going to say the same, I prefer the 675 but can get why some people don't get on with it. I ran a CBR600F for commuting and an R6 for thrashing on the road and track. I'm getting a 675 to replace the R6 duties and another CBR600F for taking the Mrs out and touring etc
Keep it rubber down and all that
getting better whit the vids ! congrats!!!!
@bmwe92m Wrong. The 848 Evo came out in mid 2010.
If you watched the video, you would see that it says 848 Evo on the fairing. The lettering is also in black, whilst the lettering on the old 848 was white.
even though the cc diference is big, the horse power is pretty similiar on all of em and they have diferent numbers of cylinders.
sorry for my bad english, i hope i made my point here
R6 the comfy option, the others must be like sticking pins in your bollox!!!
i have a ducati 848 black metallic , its amazing the r6 and the triumph are great to but the ducati is what i have my dad bought me it for my birthday i am 19 and this bike is the #BOMB.
@2006R6s @2006R6s The fuel injected models were 2003 to 2006... but they made one year carb in 2002. The 2002 zx636 was the same body style as the 2000, 2001 models though.
Cool vid...that Ducati in black is catching my eye.
Dear Santa......
I’ve had a Daytona, but have an 848evo and wouldn’t swap back. Ducati’s makes you feel special.
Triumph all the way
Clearly, the best bike won! (But there's not much difference between the 848 EVO and the non-EVO). :)
Essentially, if you have 4cyl bikes at 600cc, tripples are allowed 675cc because they have 1 cylendar less (an extra 75cc) and a twin is allowed an extra 75 cc over a tripple because it has yet one less cylindar.
@arjvi ...thanks for the reply i hadn't thought of that, it makes perfect sense!
848 is a thing of beauty!...
@jhb972 Don't forget the sound quality. You can actually understand what's being said.
@MrFlyahh
I'm just pointing out that cubics don't say all.. It's all about configuration, engine type, gearing etcetc.
Good video, I wish you guys would invest in some remote mics though - it makes a world of difference for sound quality.
just because its there doesnt mean its directly comparable, and whhat else would you recomend you compare the last two to, you come up with a better idea and im sure theyll do it.
The people complaining about the cc difference obviously know nothing about the different engine configurations. Even in WSBK they let 1200cc 2 cylinders compete against the 1000cc 4 cylinders
Great job man,comparing 600,675 and 848...!!!you should've thrown a 1000 also to make the picture complete.
Can't argue with that mate, Ducati's are pretty expensive for what you get. It all depends what you want; some people want character some exhaust noise etc. The great thing is that there's something out there for everyone.
I love the look of most Yams, not sure about the current R1 but hey styling's about as subjective as it gets.
I'm going to go for a Triumph 675R next...
Let me clear something up - I don't think the CBR600RR is a tourer; it's a sports bike through and through. However, thanks to it's smooth engine and relitively comfortable riding position it's a better option than the other 600s (and 675) if you want to do any sort of distance.
yes i have an r6 and it is my first bike i would highly recommend it
In AMA, WERA, and world supersport the 848 evo is in the same class as the R6(gixxer 6er, cbr 600, zx6r) and the triumph 675. I believe the 2 cylinder V twins are allowed a maximum of 250 cc extra, the 3 cylinder i do not know. This just keeps the bikes competitive. For example the gsxr 750 is faster than the ducati 848 evo because it has 4 cylinders.
@TychoCelchu You're right. My bad. Got confused coz it's a 2011 model but indeed it already got released in the summer of 2010.
No worries mate it's All Good. My housemate BTW was a MASTER Ducati/Alfa guy. Google Lajos Silberstein. I got to briefly ride his vintage 900 punched out to 996, race slicks, battery zip tied to the frame, all of that. Incredible machines they are!
Because the GSXR750 isn't a supersport? An inline-4 750CC does not compare directly to an inline-4 600, an inline-3 675, or a twin 848. The three bikes in this test have three different engine configurations, making the difference in displacement rather insignificant.
@christrails look at the sv650, ninja650, gs500, all bikes that are beginner bikes made to learn on with enough power to stay with the bike for the next couple of years. imo, suzuki sv650 is the best beginner bike money can buy. also most popular bike in my neighborhood
V twins don't make power the same as inline engines. You give up power the high RPM range (where you never are riding around town), and gain much more power and torque in the midrange (where you actually find yourself on the streets). I understand a lot of people don't like Ducs, but to say a company that has more WSBK titles on production based bikes than anyone else is "garbage" is a little absurd. All of these are great bikes. Here's a suggestion: buy what makes you happy, and we will too
The guy from my the bike repair-shop told me that he wouldn't even give a Ducati to his enemy, because of the special tools you will have to own to repair it, the overpriced parts and the self-destroying electronics, especially on the old ones. But all that doesn't matter. Riding a bike is a very emotional thing. It has nothing to do with fuel economy or if that inline-four is slower or faster. If you ride a ducati you will agree to the emotion, the sound, the beauty and that gorgeous twin.
Have to agree with others. The vid quality is excellent. Love that 848!
oh yeah and 848 is like the definition of supersport right?dream on...
This goes both ways isn't it?!!!
@colonel520 not necessarily, they have different engine configurations. a 600cc 4 cylinder is comparable to a 800cc 2 cylinder. They're MCN, they wouldn't be that stupid to compare bikes of different classes.
Beauty, Power, Grace, ... thy name is Ducati
the 848 has a lot more cc! unfair test! but i still love them all
@MOOSERVERTE "a lot more cc"
v-twins generally require more cc to make the same amount of power, it's a different type of engine from an inline four. Yet it's both thinner and lighter than many bikes with less cc.
I just love the screamer!
@TychoCelchu I honestly never cared much about comfort since it's not really the point of a sport bike anyway. A lot of it has to do with the rider's height and weight. The clutch is a bit jerky, and in traffic it vibrates a lot and gets pretty damn hot. I considered an 848 but i wasn't really buying it as a daily road bike, if i didn't have the honda as a back up and i just wanted one bike i probably would have got the 848. Yeah you really get more usable power with the twins, plus the sound...
@StraightR1Chaos That's really a great, but nagging question though. The tq from the 848 allows me to keep sharper lines because it powers out better than others in their class. HP is for straights, Tq is for cornering.
The 100FtLb R1 is a ripping Superbike and is top5 IMO (I think I gave it #2 in a duc forum). When looking at 600/750, I chose the best I felt was out there. I'm no Ben Spies, so until then I have the best tool for the job at stake.
LOL, and I'm a Honda guy :p
You're right - 848 is not in the "supersports" class, used to be when it was the 748
@pmrowe22 I would agree if they were involved in an actual competitive race, but this is a review directed at consumers. They're all roughly the same weight and price range, the 848 is a v-twin i never said the 675 was
@destined2sleep the testing was done on a racetrack, the straight was probably not long enough to reach top speed
I love the price of the 848. Ducati gives you a near racelike bike for the race. But that damn R6 is a freaking screamer. I actually had a chance to ride one, and this Kawasaki fan is impressed It's actually quicker nd faster than the R1 from a few years back. I will not dis the 600cc bike anymore. I prefer Liter bikes but man those things are fast lil screamers.
Not to mention Yamaha's R7 Racing Bike. You cannot buy it unless you want to rent it fora day for $250,000. They Use a 750cc engine because it has the horsepower of a 1000cc but it has alot less weight. Not to mention more torque and more HP at higher RPMs.
I understand the comparison between the 600 and 675, but even then the 675 triple give you a bit more grunt in the middle rpm. What I don't understand is why your magazine and many others dumps the 848 on the supersport field. If its that good, then run it against the litre bikes, which it isn't. The fact is, Ducati shan't build a 600-699 because it simply wouldn't be competitive, and that should have been your result!
D. Paul Riderman I think if they had all the 600s in this comparison it would be stupid, but they chose one so it's more of a 600 vs 675 vs 848, which I found very informative. Maybe replacing the R6 with a GSXR 750 would have been better. Plus, I doubt a lot of the literbike crowd really considers an 848 or 675. It seems more of a snobby "well I ride a literbike" thing, and I have a 1000RR, I'm not talking out the wrong hole.
It's because the Ducati is a twin, it's power and weight is comparable to a 600 in-line four
Jesus people just comment without any knowledge. I know it's 3 years ago, but man it hurts to read all these comments.
I still own a Gixxer 750, I would love to have an 848 sitting next to it!!!!
@usmw1 But the bikes are very stable and powerful, they have a lot of torque and the riding style takes a little getting use to from the 4's. I think 600’s are harder to ride hard, because you have to keep the rpm’s at the boiling point and the bike move around more (not as stable). So no, the 848 Evo is not hard to ride unless your planning to cruse around town with your girl friend at 30 mph. I hope that answers some of your questions.
@pmrowe22 kawasaki built the 636 from 2002 to 2006. During that time, they also built a zx600rr. the point of all this is if Triumph wanted to compare their bike to other Super-sports, then they should have built a 600 instead of going the easy route and slapping on an extra 75cc's. notice how the top speed was equal to the R6. A V-type engine looses top speed, but makes considerable gains in low-end grunt.
@davimifs Why WSS? Because WSS doesn't allow 848's to compete due to just that. Let's not mention WSB though, as that might go the other direction (Checa, #1, Duc) or Super stock (Giugliano, #1, Duc) ;)
Piston velocity has to do with rod length and swing, not bore diameter. So how about valve float if we're talking higher revs? Desmo's have had that under control for decades.
The reason they compared these bikes is that they are in the same "supersport" Racing class. Triumph has 3 cylinders, Yam has 4, Ducati has 2. In order to make it fair they allow extra cc for the triumph and more for the ducati.
@jfrost2114 Supersport ruling is based on maximum power output and technical specification to keep the playing field even for different types of engines. You can run a liquid cooled, double overhead camshaft 4cyl 600, 3cyl 675 or 850 2cyl bike. You can also run an aircooled, single overhead camshaft 1200cc 2cyl (think Harley Davidson XR1200) or an aircooled, pushrod-actuated overhead valve 1350cc 2cyl! That last category is as yet uncontended, although Moto Guzzi are developing a bike for it.
@SERKANUSA Looks are relative. I'm a big fan of CBR's, but when shopping I felt the R6 was the best looking of the big 4 as well. The RC51 style central intakes make sense, but is a horrible styling wart it seems. Visually, I still like the intakes on the side(s) and can be engineered around that choice.
Just got my 848 Evo and love it. Some say they're uncomfortable, but I set up all my bikes with purpose so it's right at home for me. It seems when you get it in it's environment, it's spot on.
@ZeroBoostBuick But the manufacturers aren't the ones making the comparison, the MCN guys are. They also do sportsbike comparisons, where they compare bikes of all cc classes. The 675 has won international sportsbike of the year before.
Capacity & horsepower aren't the only deciding factors in what makes a good sportsbike.
There are a whole bunch of reviews of the 848 on youtube, where all they do is compare it to the 1198.
The Ducatis are like Mercs, somewhat more expensive than the competition, but the real cost is in the maintenance
Dude, I have an 848 evo and it's a pleasure to ride in the city. No bike 600cc or more is even remotely unleashable on the street, so saying so is a completely moot point. With that said, the Ducati's have a very usable low rpm torque band and a wet hydraulic clutch that makes it a bit easier to ride on the street.
Unless your all Mr Rossi`s then id say go with your heart im biast for the R6 because ive got one but they are all stunning bikes .So go with what floats ya boat!
me quedo con Daytona lo mejor de lo mejor...saludos desde tijuana bc mexico.
Triumph 3 - Cylinder 675 Competing with 4-Cylinder Superbikes. I think Triumph Deserves Thumbs up here
@bmwe92m at 1:43 in the vid you can read that's its a 848 evo not an 848.
Ducati 848 EVO - the best
WOW!! let's compare two 600 cc with a 848 cc. What a great idea. I wonder who's gonna win!?
+Thealien787 I see, that you don´t know much about engines... first, you have to know, that Ducati is 2 cylinder, and R6 is 4 cylinder... and V2 will never be strong as inline 4, so Ducati has to have bigger cubic capacity... + R6 has 95 KW and 848 has 99 KW , which is not big difference. AND you just can´t compare European bikes to Japan or USA bikes. European bikes will allways win, just think abaout it - Triumph, Aprilia, BMW, Ducati, MV Agusta, Bimota - the most complete bikes ever :) .
fredericenkos Hahaha Yeah, after I post that I was doing some research and figure that out. you were right I don't know much about engines. thanks for answering to my comment.
ye :D + ... ducati has really great suspension and weight... love italian bikes, even they are little bit ... well, not cheap :D
How about the torque? Not a big difference either, I think.. Also 5 bhpon a bike can make a difference.
more like lets compare a cheap,a medium priced one and a fucking expensive SS bike
@canyonchaser The bumped up compression does a good bit though.