MC5, Baby! Spring, 1969, I'm 17 and at the Grande Ballroom in Detroit, Michigan, USA. Russ Gibb is the MC that night and off he goes: "Alright, Boys and Girls, Guy and Dolls, here they are...they used to be called The Motor City Five, now they're just known as the MC5!!" "Kick out the jams, Motherf-ckers! Na na na naaaa, na na na naaa...!!!" Man, they were loud.
@@danalawrence4473 All I remember was going there with three friends in the spring of my senior year in high school. Don't remember who else played that night. I did, around the same time, see The Frost there. I think I saw Jethro Tull about that time but didn't know who they were. I saw someone who had a crazy acting guy up front with, as I remember, a flute. I also did a number of concerts at the Eastown Theatre. And starting in 1970 at the Birmingham Palladium. And of course at The Hideout starting in 1966. Bob Seger and The Last Turd. I mean, the Last Heard.
@@TheTomryan123 I've been to them all. I saw ELP at the Easttown, right before their first record came out. I saw many shows at the Grande: Mothers, Paupers, Blue Cheer, Jefferson Airplane, Steppenwolf, Procul Harum. Saw Tony Williams Lifetime with Mecki-Mark Men at the Palladium. And saw the Amboy Dukes solo at the Northland geodesic dome. 🙂
@@danalawrence4473 So damn cool! I saw Steppenwolf at the Grande. Maybe we were there at the same time. When I saw them the drummer started playing the air with his sticks, eyes closed. Then he started leaning back on his throne and then fell backward off the stool. I kinda remember someone having to get him up and back in place. Does that ring a bell?
Another banger of a video Andy. Just the right amount of snarkiness combined with some content that moderately reflects the title of the video. Perfection my brother.
I'm a "like-er" of the Velvets and Ramones but remain a like-er of Andy, who will never really be the British Rick Beato but is certainly a more entertaining personality. Has anyone pointed out that when the Velvet Underground were discussed the picture shown was of the Strokes? The Strokes, who would certainly qualify for this video.
Why is it I so enjoyed being berated for being a Velvet Underground fan by a man in a flat cap wearing his jumper around his head 😂 valid criticism of the band and it's pretentious fans, still love the music. I heard " I'm Waiting for my Man" at full blast on a PA in a deconscretated church.....sounded like the greatest thing I ever heard.
It's really just different flavors of pretention -- ELP's pretensions of being accomplished classical composers vs. Velvet Underground incorporating modern classical/minimalism/drone influences from Cale's experiences with The Dream Syndicate and Theatre of Eternal Music with composers La Monte Young and Tony Conrad, as well as Jon Hassell! Pretentious AF for sure, but also progressive.
Wayne Kramer was the last surviving member of the MC5- and I will tell you, Andy, since I grew up in suburban Detroiit, that there has never been a mightier band than the MC5. The sheer volume of their concerts was astonishing. I saw them open for both Blue Cheer (with the then Psychedelic Stooges playing just before the MC5 did) and for Jimi Hendrix. They were utterly committed to their music, and I think you may have it wrong here. You are saying that they are un-prog- and from your perspective you are correct, since they were really a band that played on blues patterns. But... they were prog in how experimental they were, from the Sun Ra tribute of Starship, to the unholy din of Black to Comm, sheer utter freakouts at such high decibel that you felt it for days. The 45rpm version of Looking at You is so over the top in overdrive and distortion that it outprogs prog metal bands. Porcupine Tree would be proud! Listen to this, less than 3 minutes of anarchy, and play it loud! th-cam.com/video/-qVKdxOO9l0/w-d-xo.html
If i remember well, he worked his arse off during the 70s, and then he made those strange Red Noise. It was a very transitional time and Red Noise brilliance got lost in translation and airwaves too. Exception made to mr António Sérgio in Portugal, working at several Lisbon's National FM rockstations, who played a lot of BeBop Deluxe and Red Noise in the second half of the decade and even further on. Sérgio had great admiration for Bill Nelson's music, and that's where i remember Nelson from, during my sheltered teenage. There was even a Red Noise single on the jukebox of a billiards and pinball arcade, in my quiet province town in Northern PT. Go figure. Some artists have the gift of shining in backwater places.
Gotta say this. What is it about Yorkshire that can produce three of the most talented guitarists/musicians. John McLaughlin, Allan Holdsworth and Bill Nelson. OK John grew up in Whitley Bay and Bill's chops weren't quite the same level. But as musicians, influencers and innovators !
I'm one of the few Americans who actually saw Be Bop Deluxe live. Anyone who knows anything about them here, I consider is a real music lover. The live version of Adventures in a Yorkshire Landscape is one of my top favorite live tracks. Totally underrated!
Despite you "not knowing" anything (mostly) about these bands, I love this video just as a story of your life in the context of the music you have encountered - brilliant!!!
It's 20 degrees outside and I greatly enjoyed this video while wearing a short sleeved shirt. Central heating is awesome. Hopefully one day we'll see a warm Andy Edwards.
Prog or not, pretentious or not, cool or goofy, old, middle or young as long as there’s some atmosphere that gives me a natural high, that’s all I care about
04:00 to 5:16: 😃😃😃😃😃😃😃. Quite good, this. And then the 'Am I on fire?' bit. Really good fun, thank you Andy! But then you saved the very best part for the very last, didn't you? Great stuff, truly exhilarating.
Another friday evening, sitting on the couch, the wife doesn't want to watch TV but wants to read the book she started to read the other day. Which again gives me the freedom to put my headphones on and turn on the 52" TV, start youtube, and, since it shows on top of my start page, select the newest video of Andy. The wife briefly looks up, notices that it is "that guy" again, and says 'Hey, your friend again'. Me: 'Not a friend, acutally. I often don't agree with him or have no idea what he's talking about, but he never ever bores me.' And thats the point I want to make here: unlike so many others Andy never ever - not once - bores me. That is it, that is what I have to say.
MC 5 drummer Dennis Thompson died a couple months after Wayne Kramer and was the last living member of MC 5. Side note, John Sinclair, the spiritual guidance of MC 5 also died earlier this year marking an end to an era for Detroit rock and roll.
Re any Stooges claim to progness : at the end of their 2nd album, Funhouse, they had a track "LA Blues" which is like a Velvet-Undergroundised free form jazz track. That might be the longish end-of-album track you briefly mentioned. I've heard it described as free form jazz - that's more your thing, so you'd be better placed to say if that's a description that might fit at a pinch, or if it's just silly messing around, trying to sound avant-garde. Anyway, that might be their best effort at something progish. There might also be something on their "Raw Power" album, but I've not listened to them for ages and can't particularly remember the tracks on that besides "Search and Destroy"
Still sounds better than king crimson. the stooges deflated prog acts, retrospectively thinking about it, in the early 70s and what was to come, before the sex pistols could ever lay claim to such a thing Funhouse, the album you refer to , is better than anything prog ever produced( and I love tales from the topographic oceans) So there
No it hasn't- the stooges early 3 albums wipe the floor with anything prog had on offer anything apart from muso/ virtuoso/ aspirational posturing that is Still love relayer though
What about Blue Oyster Cult? Do they rate as prog or non prog? They had WWII references for what it’s worth, and drug deals that ended badly but what do you make of a song like She’s As Beautiful as a Foot? Acid rock? I don’t know but I like them. So Andy, prog? Non?
(Commenting in real time as I watch). Talking of 2nd albums, "Sister Ray" off the VU's 2nd album must be proto-prog, as it's proto-heavy-metal. I love Sister Ray. After you get past the initial crude guitar riff (which isn't a particularly fun riff) and they all start messing around a bit more, it's a delight. I love some of the weird little organ lines that John Cale weaves in now and then over the furious strumming.
Saw the title of this video & thought "he's made an entire video just to moan about the Ramones & VU hasn't he". But I didn't expect it to be delivered like a chilly Fagin twiddling his fingers waiting for the lads to bring the lovely baubles. You got me again.
You have to remember that MC5 and The Stooges were virtually unknown outside of Michigan/Southern Ontario when they were at their underground acid rocking zenith, when they had Zenta New Year Oct. 30/31 1968. With the releases of both bands debut albums in 1969, they still could not draw flies outside their home territory unless they were on the bill with a big name band. It was not until the punk rock thing that triggered the reissue of MC5/Stooges albums in 1977 that we started to hear about them again. Since then and with Iggy's solo career, that interest has soared over the years. Ramones are indeed a bubblegum band and not in the same league as MC5/Stooges who were real rockers.
Hi Andy! About Motörhead, the proggy album you missed just by one year, is not 1982's Iron Fist BUT Another Perfect Day, recorded with ex Thin Lizzy Brian Robertson in 1983. Check that album - that's where Lëmmy's Gruppe sounded the most prog. And in 1991's ''1916'' they had a symphonic piece on the title track. Worth listening. Cheers from PT.
Maybe it's better to call it "Ten Garage Rock Bands," based on the two groups pictured in your advert, Andy. Where are the blues, country, funk, and reggae bands? Last I checked, they were pretty "unproggy!"
Most amusing. One minor factual error though: contrary to your assertion, the Jesus & Mary Chain were not spoilt middle class kids - the Reid brothers grew up in a Glasgow tenement, had blue collar dad who was made redundant and Bobby Gillespie's father was also blue collar and a trade union activist. In comparison, David Lee Roth was the son of a millionaire showbiz lawyer. However, I'm with you on the musical side!
The only band worthy of comment among this group is AC/DC. I'll give the Ramones a nod because it's a folk art of sorts. Dopey and dumb and limited in talent, but they played with a ferocity that was unique. They essentially invented the "downstroke" style of guitar playing -- most likely because they simply learned incorrectly. But they made it work. And a couple of songs are quite memorable. So...I'll give credit where credit is due.
@dibdab101 One does not "stomach" or "not stomach" prog, one let's it wash over them as "the prog" sends mindmelding sound waves and scapes, crackling, wending and bouncing over and under, throughout your brain wrinkles, until your mind and consciousness grow 3 sizes bigger and you moult becoming something... MORE. You are likened to a caterpillar transforming into a proggy Iron Butterfly spreading its wings, soaring out and away from the garden of eden, away from that tree full of leaves that smelt oddly of apple pie and landing gracefully in The Court of the Crimson King, your colourful wings scintillating with refracted lights and sound. No longer concerned with mundane annoyance or ill effect, you drink fully of the sweetest nectar, your stomach satiated and at ease. * Hope I got the pretentiousness level right. 😉🦋🤔
Love 10, 9, 8, 6, and 3. Also love Jazz, ELP and Mahavishnu Orchestra! Wayne Kramer is the real deal and super nice guy. I met him around 2000. Just listened to my UK album this morning.
Andy has great comedic presence. And I don't know if it was intentional or not, but I laughed every time he said "Jesus & The Mary Chain" as opposed to "The Jesus & Mary Chain."
I'm massively into punk , but I saw the Ramones live once and it just sounded to me like one long song with a droney singer. Does the fact that the whole set sounded like one long song in fact make them accidentally prog ?
By the 18:32 mark I'm not sure if I'm watching a scene from Downfall or attending a jumble sale after the bomb has dropped. This is bordering on performance art. Kudos. Another prog connection to motorhead, Larry Wallis was in Mk1 Motorhead and also previously Pink Fairies. Also, Lucas Fox, original Mk1 Motorhead Drummer is on a single on Dawn records by Ross Stagg, produced by someone who also worked with Arthur Brown and Kingdom Come. And of course, Lemmy played in Sam Gopal, which was pretty hippy and out there. Motorhead were more like a newly discovered element on the periodic table than a compound of existing ones.
Listening to Andy ranting about them just made me want to listen to them + John Cale and Lou Reed. I was a big enough fan of Velvet and Reed in the 90s that I saw Reed live at the end of that decade. One of my better concert memories. I got into John Cale a few years ago, I like that someone so old still releases music.
@@lonewolf8667 It's kind of weird how Cale has avoided major popularity, he was in this iconic band, he produced important works by Patti Smith, The Modern Lovers and the Stooges, he played on Nick Drake's 2nd album and he has had a massive output as a solo artist, producing a lot of exceptional music. But he's still not that well known.
Today the band delivering visceral R&R and a prog ascetic is King Gizzard the Lizard Wizard. They bring the rock, always something unexpected and dangerous
King Gizzard's early to mid career stuff is really something special. After the "KG" and "LG" albums they lost me a bit. Up until then I guess Stu really was the leader of the band conceptually and went all out with quirky compositions. Murder Of The Universe is my favourite, I think, or Microtonal Flying Banana with all the weird tunings. Andy should definitely give them a chance someday. Nowadays they became a bit of a jam band but given that they used to pump out 3-5 albums per year I can't really complain because I got a band's worth of material with their ealier output.
Andy, you might be interested to know Pau the drummer for the Warning was last year's drummer of the year per Modern Drummer magazine. She also sings and plays drums at the same time and she is only 22 years old. Oh and she writes most of their sings too....
There's lots of catchy riffs, hooks, melodies and harmonies in Clash somgs. A clever mixture of pop, rock, punk and reggae, rather than straight up rock.
Much of prog is complacent, self-satisfied, conservative, empty show-boating with an interest only in demonstrating technical ability. The real antithesis of this is bands happy to recognise their limitations yet nevertheless try to transcend them via imagination, determination and sheer bloody-mindedness. I give you Henry Cow who created music designed not to flaunt their abilities but to extend them. Progressive, yes, but certainly not "prog".
A list of The Ten Best Top 10 Prog videos please. PS do you have a bet on with someone that you will get the word VISCERAL into every video somewhere ? I haven't see a video yet where you do not slip in VISCERAL ( at least once ) Do you get a quid every time ?
I've got a theory that mainly two bands, Yes and Genesis, sparked a fierce backlash: And the positive end result of this, was that new music listeners got presented with something simple, four chords and relentless 1-2-3-4 - and got into it. There's a thin line between pretentiousness and some kind of genuine achievement, and everyone's a snob in one way or another. Personally to my ears I agree about the the Velvet Underground, whose legacy is about proving that if you’re weird enough, people will call it art, disagree a bit about Ramones.
early 90s, went to a party and stuck gong you on. I just remember they were E'd up and liked it. Somebody said "were this like rave in t'olden days?" perfect
I love Andy's humorous rants but the music nerd in me eventually has to put his foot down. If one defines progressive rock as a kind of music that pushes the boundaries of conventional rock music, then a few bands on this list definitely meet this standard. The Stooges pulled from the world of free jazz particularly on their second album Funhouse. I would argue that is the greatest rock album of all time and incorporated the volume of rock and the anarchy of jazz better than many of the the fusion bands. The MC5 also incorporated jazz into their music and used to do a cover of Pharaoh Sanders Upper and Lower Egypt. Finally, if the fusion of classical music into rock is an essential component to prog rock, then the Velvet Underground are exactly doing that. Except they are not encorporating Bach but rather the music of 20th Century composers like La Monte Young. A lot of the music that was inspired by these bands moved rock music forward in much more interesting way than prog bands ever did. British Post Punk of the late 70's and the American underground music of the 80's is far more interesting than the cheesy 80's fusion of bands like Chick Corea's Elektic Band. The 90's indie/ post hardcore bands like Slint or Rodan have far more in common with King Crimson's Larks Tongues in Aspic than 80's neo prog bands. Anyway these are just my opinions and clearly Andy's click bait worked on m
Bookending (almost) 2 bands out of the triumvirate of originators of the Detroit hard rock sound, The Stooges and MC5. Alice Cooper being the third but he hardly belongs on this list. Very nice. I've donated to the Jellyman paypal as my Xmas good deed because I've never seen a Pharaoh nearly freeze to death before seeing this video.
I’ve only heard 1 counting crows album (the biggie - August & Everything After) - I find it way way to wordy. The singer never stops, he fills every bloody bar of music with words .
When the velvet underground opened for the Mother's at the Fillmore , when they finished their set, frank zappa announced from the stage "man those guys sucked, didn't they".
id imagine the opposite to prog is pop, not being judgmental or anything, it just makes sense, i like a lot of prog but generally not the ones people expect, i have increasingly broad musical taste, i started collecting 60s and early 70s stuff during the early 80s, particularly psychedelic stuff, but i have, soul, blues, folk, jazz,, punk, new wave, krautrock,80s alternative,classical , exotica, reggae, rythym and blues, and pop as well, and i like different things at different times. i did like rock music first i guess.......the stooges and MC5 , i like both of them particularly the MC5 who were very influential on the melbourne underground music scene in the 80s, i did get a bit sick of flat out guitar rock sometimes but all my mates loved it. one of my best freinds was a guy named john Nolan who played great guitar in a band called the powder monkeys who were very much in that vein (lol< that was unintentional but saddly they are pretty much all dead from drug related issues, that was a pretty hard band, but they have an awesome reputation and were very good)....i was more of a tripper but so was john. we had quite a few mushroom experiences together. the velvet underground can get a bit annoying but i do quite like waiting for my man and heroin,lol, cant stand jesus and mary chain though, they were just too much of a VU clone. i love Dr Feelgood, the wilco era, but i did see them without wilco in the 80s a few times , and johnny thunders , i saw him at melbourne uni in mid 80s....i never liked ac dc much as a kid but i love em now, just the bon scott stuff but those first 4 OZ albums kick arse. Australia actually had some great 70s bands, la de das, aztecs, coloured balls,madder lake,spectrum,chain ,carson, Tully, Tamam shud, and plenty more, i have a huge collection of oz 70s stuff. i love hawkwind too , actually wearing a hawkwind t shirt right now. not a big ramones fan except for a couple of songs, they get very repetetive, lots of my old mates loved them though. good on you mate, take it easy.
Brilliant and funny.... that sweater as a scarf is an epic fail. The best part of it, is that shivering, coughing with that sweater/scarf, you look like the cover of the Jethro Tull Aqualung album. If you had mentioned that you just returned from the Army up the road with some salvation a la mode and a cup of tea. That would of been incredible.... well done 🤣😂
I think you might have dodged a bullet in not taking the job with Counting Crows. They were looking for a drummer after their fourth album "Hard Candy," and then they had a greatest hits album with a new song, with their new drummer, who was in Cheryl Crow's band, and then that dumb song on the "Shrek II" soundtrack, and didn't record an album until 2007. I would say that there were "proggy" elements to CCs' second album, "Recovering The Satellites", particularly the tracks "Children In Bloom" and the title song. That's what I got out of them, what passed as "prog" in a time I wasn't particularly listening to prog in the mid-to-late 90s, early 2000s, anyway. I wish you great success with the arts center. I hope you can survive until the warmer months!
Hey Andy, love your videos! You’ve opened my eyes to so many great jazz rock fusion and prog bands and I appreciate everything you’re doing! You also actually rock yourself and I really dig your music too! In the interest of discussion though, I disagree with your take on the Ramones, as compared to the Sex Pistols. The Ramones came out with their style before the Sex Pistols and it’s obvious the Sex Pistols just copied the Ramone’s style. The Ramones were around before the Sex Pistols and were much more popular, so it’s obvious who took from who. Also, I would contend that the Ramones song “The KKK Took My Baby Away” is more ahead of its time than “God Save the Queen”. “The KKK Took My Baby Away” is the earliest instance I can think of where a white rock singer is talking about being in a relationship with a black woman (as opposed to just having sex with a black woman) and missing her and wanting to protect her. That’s much more forward thinking than being against the queen - everyone should be against the queen and America learned how to deal with kings and queens hundreds of years ago. But that’s just my American bias showing. Keep all the great, funny, opinionated videos coming, even if you keep your English bias (tongue in cheek, of course!).
I listened to the Ramones "It's Alive" when it came out. A double album of noise. Side 1 was ok, but halfway thru side 2 it began to pall and the final two sides were a real chore to get thru.
Your initial presentation of antiprog or unprog immediately and without thinking had me utter, “The Destroyers, George Thorogood and The Destroyers.” -certainly their first album which is something I bought about the same time as Yes-Fragile. I enjoyed the number one pick of Ramones as there are some similarities between Ramones and Destroyers, but the Ramones’ more stylistic package presentation in a way makes them seem slightly more prog in some odd way. Now that I think about it more though, maybe it’s not so odd. I distinctly remember Andy a couple years ago (or maybe a year ago) making philosophical parallels between punk and prog…
Here's something we can all do to help Andy. Let the commercials play all the way through, don't click 'Skip'. Maybe even start the video and let it run all the way through after you've watched it once yourself.
It’s great to follow Andy’s rise over the years from unknown drummer to professional click baiter.
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I was just thinking about Iggy watching this and read this and lost my false teeth cracking up
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Good stuff Andy! Awesome delivery and humour. The fact that you're all bundled up in a freezing cold studio adds to the hilarity!
@thevoid6818 nonsense
Pass the popcorn, Andy is brilliant blend of serious music commentary and comedy! Cheers from Kansas, Andy!
Hey Andy, you'd be nice and warm in California if you'd stuck with Counting Crows.
If there was a monster that had 6 ball sacks with 12 balls in total, the Counting Crows would be sucking them.
That one-man AC/DC tribute act has got success written all over it.
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Andy has Tommy Cooper levels of natural funny bones.
It's got everything: The glasses, the hat, the wrestling head pull-over... I don't know what more to ask.
MC5 is one of the few bands that released a live album (Kick Out The Jams) as their debut.
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@@apollomemories7399 And it is one of the greatest live albums ever released, that's what.
the original plan for please please me....
Was not expecting a one man cover of Hells Bells 😂
It wasn't as good as his one-man cover version of 'War Pigs', but pretty good! 😉🤫
MC5, Baby! Spring, 1969, I'm 17 and at the Grande Ballroom in Detroit, Michigan, USA. Russ Gibb is the MC that night and off he goes: "Alright, Boys and Girls, Guy and Dolls, here they are...they used to be called The Motor City Five, now they're just known as the MC5!!"
"Kick out the jams, Motherf-ckers! Na na na naaaa, na na na naaa...!!!"
Man, they were loud.
What show? Man, I loved seeing the 5 at the Grande!
@@danalawrence4473 All I remember was going there with three friends in the spring of my senior year in high school. Don't remember who else played that night. I did, around the same time, see The Frost there. I think I saw Jethro Tull about that time but didn't know who they were. I saw someone who had a crazy acting guy up front with, as I remember, a flute. I also did a number of concerts at the Eastown Theatre. And starting in 1970 at the Birmingham Palladium. And of course at The Hideout starting in 1966. Bob Seger and The Last Turd. I mean, the Last Heard.
@@TheTomryan123 I've been to them all. I saw ELP at the Easttown, right before their first record came out. I saw many shows at the Grande: Mothers, Paupers, Blue Cheer, Jefferson Airplane, Steppenwolf, Procul Harum. Saw Tony Williams Lifetime with Mecki-Mark Men at the Palladium. And saw the Amboy Dukes solo at the Northland geodesic dome. 🙂
@@danalawrence4473 So damn cool! I saw Steppenwolf at the Grande. Maybe we were there at the same time. When I saw them the drummer started playing the air with his sticks, eyes closed. Then he started leaning back on his throne and then fell backward off the stool. I kinda remember someone having to get him up and back in place. Does that ring a bell?
@ I regret it does not, but that does not mean it did not happen when I was there…😊
You keep us laughing out here in western Colorado. Love watching your subs increase!
Another banger of a video Andy. Just the right amount of snarkiness combined with some content that moderately reflects the title of the video. Perfection my brother.
'content that moderately reflects the title of the video' ....my mission statement
I'm a "like-er" of the Velvets and Ramones but remain a like-er of Andy, who will never really be the British Rick Beato but is certainly a more entertaining personality. Has anyone pointed out that when the Velvet Underground were discussed the picture shown was of the Strokes? The Strokes, who would certainly qualify for this video.
@@bobkannen4272 Yeah, it’s a thing he does 😆
Awesome concept...going nuts with top ten lists 😂
You need merch...Prog Deviant! T-shirts.😃
Gotta love some honest musician talk.
That would be a great t-shirt
Great video as always. Absolutely agree about Ramones and Velvet Underground. Loved your dedication, doing the video in freezing conditions.
Why is it I so enjoyed being berated for being a Velvet Underground fan by a man in a flat cap wearing his jumper around his head 😂 valid criticism of the band and it's pretentious fans, still love the music. I heard " I'm Waiting for my Man" at full blast on a PA in a deconscretated church.....sounded like the greatest thing I ever heard.
It's really just different flavors of pretention -- ELP's pretensions of being accomplished classical composers vs. Velvet Underground incorporating modern classical/minimalism/drone influences from Cale's experiences with The Dream Syndicate and Theatre of Eternal Music with composers La Monte Young and Tony Conrad, as well as Jon Hassell! Pretentious AF for sure, but also progressive.
Wayne Kramer was the last surviving member of the MC5- and I will tell you, Andy, since I grew up in suburban Detroiit, that there has never been a mightier band than the MC5. The sheer volume of their concerts was astonishing. I saw them open for both Blue Cheer (with the then Psychedelic Stooges playing just before the MC5 did) and for Jimi Hendrix. They were utterly committed to their music, and I think you may have it wrong here. You are saying that they are un-prog- and from your perspective you are correct, since they were really a band that played on blues patterns. But... they were prog in how experimental they were, from the Sun Ra tribute of Starship, to the unholy din of Black to Comm, sheer utter freakouts at such high decibel that you felt it for days. The 45rpm version of Looking at You is so over the top in overdrive and distortion that it outprogs prog metal bands. Porcupine Tree would be proud! Listen to this, less than 3 minutes of anarchy, and play it loud! th-cam.com/video/-qVKdxOO9l0/w-d-xo.html
Bill Nelson has been officially acknowledged as a prog master but there is so little buzz around him. I don't get it.
If i remember well, he worked his arse off during the 70s, and then he made those strange Red Noise. It was a very transitional time and Red Noise brilliance got lost in translation and airwaves too. Exception made to mr António Sérgio in Portugal, working at several Lisbon's National FM rockstations, who played a lot of BeBop Deluxe and Red Noise in the second half of the decade and even further on. Sérgio had great admiration for Bill Nelson's music, and that's where i remember Nelson from, during my sheltered teenage. There was even a Red Noise single on the jukebox of a billiards and pinball arcade, in my quiet province town in Northern PT. Go figure. Some artists have the gift of shining in backwater places.
His solo work along with Hammill, so undervalued!
Gotta say this. What is it about Yorkshire that can produce three of the most talented guitarists/musicians. John McLaughlin, Allan Holdsworth and Bill Nelson. OK John grew up in Whitley Bay and Bill's chops weren't quite the same level. But as musicians, influencers and innovators !
I'm one of the few Americans who actually saw Be Bop Deluxe live. Anyone who knows anything about them here, I consider is a real music lover. The live version of Adventures in a Yorkshire Landscape is one of my top favorite live tracks. Totally underrated!
@ oh yeah, that solo on Yorkshire Landscape🔥
I'm 50 and never listened to velvet underground until 2 years ago and I love their tracks
Good grief. That's prison for you.
The Ramones have to be the most overrated band ever.
But the kitty purring really brightened up my day. Bliss ❤
Ramones: kindergarten rock. La la la rock.
I think you unwittingly nailed it with the first band you mentioned in the video - Chas N Dave
Despite you "not knowing" anything (mostly) about these bands, I love this video just as a story of your life in the context of the music you have encountered - brilliant!!!
It's 20 degrees outside and I greatly enjoyed this video while wearing a short sleeved shirt. Central heating is awesome. Hopefully one day we'll see a warm Andy Edwards.
Hilarious video Andy. And you created a new fashion style. 😂
This is by far the funniest of your videos I've seen so far 👏
Prog or not, pretentious or not, cool or goofy, old, middle or young as long as there’s some atmosphere that gives me a natural high, that’s all I care about
Amen. It's about the tunes, after all. Or should be.
The Ramones are totally not prog, nor are they really punk. They are bubblegum - the Bay City Rollers - on steroids. And I love it!
@Ramones, correct, but there was their unbelievable rainbow concert , and that was punk, more than all other bands.
04:00 to 5:16: 😃😃😃😃😃😃😃. Quite good, this.
And then the 'Am I on fire?' bit. Really good fun, thank you Andy!
But then you saved the very best part for the very last, didn't you? Great stuff, truly exhilarating.
Another friday evening, sitting on the couch, the wife doesn't want to watch TV but wants to read the book she started to read the other day. Which again gives me the freedom to put my headphones on and turn on the 52" TV, start youtube, and, since it shows on top of my start page, select the newest video of Andy. The wife briefly looks up, notices that it is "that guy" again, and says 'Hey, your friend again'. Me: 'Not a friend, acutally. I often don't agree with him or have no idea what he's talking about, but he never ever bores me.' And thats the point I want to make here: unlike so many others Andy never ever - not once - bores me. That is it, that is what I have to say.
there are 2 hawkwind covers,and a pink fairies cover on the debut motorhead album
MC 5 drummer Dennis Thompson died a couple months after Wayne Kramer and was the last living member of MC 5. Side note, John Sinclair, the spiritual guidance of MC 5 also died earlier this year marking an end to an era for Detroit rock and roll.
Re any Stooges claim to progness : at the end of their 2nd album, Funhouse, they had a track "LA Blues" which is like a Velvet-Undergroundised free form jazz track. That might be the longish end-of-album track you briefly mentioned. I've heard it described as free form jazz - that's more your thing, so you'd be better placed to say if that's a description that might fit at a pinch, or if it's just silly messing around, trying to sound avant-garde. Anyway, that might be their best effort at something progish. There might also be something on their "Raw Power" album, but I've not listened to them for ages and can't particularly remember the tracks on that besides "Search and Destroy"
Don't forget that weird chanty song on their debut.
Still sounds better than king crimson.
the stooges deflated prog acts, retrospectively thinking about it, in the early 70s and what was to come, before the sex pistols could ever lay claim to such a thing
Funhouse, the album you refer to , is better than anything prog ever produced( and I love tales from the topographic oceans)
So there
@@puntimatii11 What a load of baloney. Your "retrospective thinking" has seriously let you down.
No it hasn't- the stooges early 3 albums wipe the floor with anything prog had on offer
anything apart from muso/ virtuoso/ aspirational posturing that is
Still love relayer though
@@puntimatii11 You still here?
I too would put The Ramones at #1. The blind don’t see their shallowness, but you and me, we do.
What about Blue Oyster Cult? Do they rate as prog or non prog? They had WWII references for what it’s worth, and drug deals that ended badly but what do you make of a song like She’s As Beautiful as a Foot? Acid rock? I don’t know but I like them. So Andy, prog? Non?
That(!) was a good one! The Hells Bells impersonation nearly had me falling out of my chair (Brian)...
Un-prog, silly concept. Makes you realize how ill-defined prog is in the first place.
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Prog is whatever it wants to be, that's why I love it!
Well, if cheesy glam-tinged bands such as Dream Theater and Queensryche pass off as prog superbands then clearly that label means absolutely nothing.
(Commenting in real time as I watch). Talking of 2nd albums, "Sister Ray" off the VU's 2nd album must be proto-prog, as it's proto-heavy-metal. I love Sister Ray. After you get past the initial crude guitar riff (which isn't a particularly fun riff) and they all start messing around a bit more, it's a delight. I love some of the weird little organ lines that John Cale weaves in now and then over the furious strumming.
The Ramones?
No, it's just the way i walk.
Nice list as always. Good points made. 👍
Have a fantastic weekend Andy
Saw the title of this video & thought "he's made an entire video just to moan about the Ramones & VU hasn't he". But I didn't expect it to be delivered like a chilly Fagin twiddling his fingers waiting for the lads to bring the lovely baubles. You got me again.
Awesome video Andy have a great weekend also I have lost my voice from a cold ❤😢👃🤧😥
You have to remember that MC5 and The Stooges were virtually unknown outside of Michigan/Southern Ontario when they were at their underground acid rocking zenith, when they had Zenta New Year Oct. 30/31 1968. With the releases of both bands debut albums in 1969, they still could not draw flies outside their home territory unless they were on the bill with a big name band. It was not until the punk rock thing that triggered the reissue of MC5/Stooges albums in 1977 that we started to hear about them again. Since then and with Iggy's solo career, that interest has soared over the years. Ramones are indeed a bubblegum band and not in the same league as MC5/Stooges who were real rockers.
Andy..you are a superb drummer, musician, you got something to give...thank you....I will ..follow!
Hi Andy! About Motörhead, the proggy album you missed just by one year, is not 1982's Iron Fist BUT Another Perfect Day, recorded with ex Thin Lizzy Brian Robertson in 1983. Check that album - that's where Lëmmy's Gruppe sounded the most prog. And in 1991's ''1916'' they had a symphonic piece on the title track. Worth listening. Cheers from PT.
Not to mention, Fast Eddie's Prog past in Zeus! A surprisingly accomplished guitarist and it sometimes came out in Motörhead.
Boiling the prog here, Andy.... (Don't know what that means but sounds good)
Lemmy loved the Ramones, there's your prog link.
Probably liked them as incidental, background music. Motorhead are so more cutting edge than The Ramones:)
@Bobmacca64 Motorhead wrote a song about The Ramones. Lemmy was best mates with Joey Ramone.
@BBlooger Was he? Didn't know it.
probably liked their dealers
MC5 put a Sun Ra cover on their first album. That’s pretty prog, I think.
Maybe it's better to call it "Ten Garage Rock Bands," based on the two groups pictured in your advert, Andy. Where are the blues, country, funk, and reggae bands? Last I checked, they were pretty "unproggy!"
Raw Power by the Stooges is visceral RocknRoll at its best
Absolutely agree about Raw Power. Same goes for the songs I Gotta Right and I'm Sick of You.
Most amusing. One minor factual error though: contrary to your assertion, the Jesus & Mary Chain were not spoilt middle class kids - the Reid brothers grew up in a Glasgow tenement, had blue collar dad who was made redundant and Bobby Gillespie's father was also blue collar and a trade union activist. In comparison, David Lee Roth was the son of a millionaire showbiz lawyer. However, I'm with you on the musical side!
@@DarkSideOfTheMoule Don’t you mean Jesus and the Mary chain? 🤓😂
@@JojoFryrocks 🤣
Have you considered turning on the three huge wall mounted radiators..... I am here to help
They are not radiators, they are huge lego bricks
Some say that 12:55 - 13:45 is the most consummate and professional Youtubing ever seen.
The only band worthy of comment among this group is AC/DC. I'll give the Ramones a nod because it's a folk art of sorts. Dopey and dumb and limited in talent, but they played with a ferocity that was unique. They essentially invented the "downstroke" style of guitar playing -- most likely because they simply learned incorrectly. But they made it work. And a couple of songs are quite memorable. So...I'll give credit where credit is due.
finally Andy...a music video for us, the ones who enjoy listening to you but cannot stomach prog!...hooraayy!!!!
@dibdab101 One does not "stomach" or "not stomach" prog, one let's it wash over them as "the prog" sends mindmelding sound waves and scapes, crackling, wending and bouncing over and under, throughout your brain wrinkles, until your mind and consciousness grow 3 sizes bigger and you moult becoming something... MORE. You are likened to a caterpillar transforming into a proggy Iron Butterfly spreading its wings, soaring out and away from the garden of eden, away from that tree full of leaves that smelt oddly of apple pie and landing gracefully in The Court of the Crimson King, your colourful wings scintillating with refracted lights and sound. No longer concerned with mundane annoyance or ill effect, you drink fully of the sweetest nectar, your stomach satiated and at ease.
* Hope I got the pretentiousness level right. 😉🦋🤔
Andy I have to say I've really enjoyed this video , funny , informative , entertaining , what more could you ask for !
Love 10, 9, 8, 6, and 3. Also love Jazz, ELP and Mahavishnu Orchestra! Wayne Kramer is the real deal and super nice guy. I met him around 2000. Just listened to my UK album this morning.
Andy has great comedic presence. And I don't know if it was intentional or not, but I laughed every time he said "Jesus & The Mary Chain" as opposed to "The Jesus & Mary Chain."
I was already in tears after “am I on fire” 😂
@@JojoFryrocks I laughed at that too!
I'm massively into punk , but I saw the Ramones live once and it just sounded to me like one long song with a droney singer. Does the fact that the whole set sounded like one long song in fact make them accidentally prog ?
Mate, I find this flat cap trend to be very disheartening. If i had your barnet, i would show it off at every turn!
Andy, why have you got loads of radiators in your studio and still no heat? Also you need some fingerless gloves to pull off the Steptoe look!
By the 18:32 mark I'm not sure if I'm watching a scene from Downfall or attending a jumble sale after the bomb has dropped. This is bordering on performance art. Kudos. Another prog connection to motorhead, Larry Wallis was in Mk1 Motorhead and also previously Pink Fairies. Also, Lucas Fox, original Mk1 Motorhead Drummer is on a single on Dawn records by Ross Stagg, produced by someone who also worked with Arthur Brown and Kingdom Come. And of course, Lemmy played in Sam Gopal, which was pretty hippy and out there. Motorhead were more like a newly discovered element on the periodic table than a compound of existing ones.
Hysterical
Venus In Furs sounds seriously proggy. Cale's well proggy.
Using viola has to be a bit proggy, he also has classical influences.
The Murder Mystery is properly out there.
Listening to Andy ranting about them just made me want to listen to them + John Cale and Lou Reed. I was a big enough fan of Velvet and Reed in the 90s that I saw Reed live at the end of that decade. One of my better concert memories.
I got into John Cale a few years ago, I like that someone so old still releases music.
@@lonewolf8667 It's kind of weird how Cale has avoided major popularity, he was in this iconic band, he produced important works by Patti Smith, The Modern Lovers and the Stooges, he played on Nick Drake's 2nd album and he has had a massive output as a solo artist, producing a lot of exceptional music. But he's still not that well known.
Yet, strangely prog adjacent in his solo career and collaborations.
Today the band delivering visceral R&R and a prog ascetic is King Gizzard the Lizard Wizard. They bring the rock, always something unexpected and dangerous
King Gizzard's early to mid career stuff is really something special. After the "KG" and "LG" albums they lost me a bit. Up until then I guess Stu really was the leader of the band conceptually and went all out with quirky compositions. Murder Of The Universe is my favourite, I think, or Microtonal Flying Banana with all the weird tunings. Andy should definitely give them a chance someday. Nowadays they became a bit of a jam band but given that they used to pump out 3-5 albums per year I can't really complain because I got a band's worth of material with their ealier output.
Andy, you might be interested to know Pau the drummer for the Warning was last year's drummer of the year per Modern Drummer magazine. She also sings and plays drums at the same time and she is only 22 years old. Oh and she writes most of their sings too....
There's lots of catchy riffs, hooks, melodies and harmonies in Clash somgs. A clever mixture of pop, rock, punk and reggae, rather than straight up rock.
Some of these bands I hear for the first time... And I really regret checking them out :D
Much of prog is complacent, self-satisfied, conservative, empty show-boating with an interest only in demonstrating technical ability.
The real antithesis of this is bands happy to recognise their limitations yet nevertheless try to transcend them via imagination, determination and sheer bloody-mindedness.
I give you Henry Cow who created music designed not to flaunt their abilities but to extend them. Progressive, yes, but certainly not "prog".
Great performance of Hells Bells btw, tnx
Stay warm, Andy!
A list of The Ten Best Top 10 Prog videos please. PS do you have a bet on with someone that you will get the word VISCERAL into every video somewhere ? I haven't see a video yet where you do not slip in VISCERAL ( at least once ) Do you get a quid every time ?
I've got a theory that mainly two bands, Yes and Genesis, sparked a fierce backlash: And the positive end result of this, was that new music listeners got presented with something simple, four chords and relentless 1-2-3-4 - and got into it. There's a thin line between pretentiousness and some kind of genuine achievement, and everyone's a snob in one way or another. Personally to my ears I agree about the the Velvet Underground, whose legacy is about proving that if you’re weird enough, people will call it art, disagree a bit about Ramones.
We need a top ten list of your favorite top ten lists.
I am waiting on Andy Edwards merch!
Motorheads tribute song to the Ramones (Ramones) was great!
I like Pet Sematary. The soundscape they are able to pull there is just surprising to my ears.
Right. We're going to start a movement where we only talk about things we don't know about.
Hilarious. "How many crow bands do you need?" I thought the same thing back when i heard about them.
early 90s, went to a party and stuck gong you on. I just remember they were E'd up and liked it. Somebody said "were this like rave in t'olden days?" perfect
I love Andy's humorous rants but the music nerd in me eventually has to put his foot down. If one defines progressive rock as a kind of music that pushes the boundaries of conventional rock music, then a few bands on this list definitely meet this standard. The Stooges pulled from the world of free jazz particularly on their second album Funhouse. I would argue that is the greatest rock album of all time and incorporated the volume of rock and the anarchy of jazz better than many of the the fusion bands. The MC5 also incorporated jazz into their music and used to do a cover of Pharaoh Sanders Upper and Lower Egypt. Finally, if the fusion of classical music into rock is an essential component to prog rock, then the Velvet Underground are exactly doing that. Except they are not encorporating Bach but rather the music of 20th Century composers like La Monte Young. A lot of the music that was inspired by these bands moved rock music forward in much more interesting way than prog bands ever did. British Post Punk of the late 70's and the American underground music of the 80's is far more interesting than the cheesy 80's fusion of bands like Chick Corea's Elektic Band. The 90's indie/ post hardcore bands like Slint or Rodan have far more in common with King Crimson's Larks Tongues in Aspic than 80's neo prog bands. Anyway these are just my opinions and clearly Andy's click bait worked on m
Bookending (almost) 2 bands out of the triumvirate of originators of the Detroit hard rock sound, The Stooges and MC5. Alice Cooper being the third but he hardly belongs on this list. Very nice.
I've donated to the Jellyman paypal as my Xmas good deed because I've never seen a Pharaoh nearly freeze to death before seeing this video.
I’ve only heard 1 counting crows album (the biggie - August & Everything After) - I find it way way to wordy. The singer never stops, he fills every bloody bar of music with words .
I always confuse Counting Crows, Black Crows, and Sheryl Crow. 😂
Hey, local people, get Andy an electric blanket!!!
When the velvet underground opened for the Mother's at the Fillmore , when they finished their set, frank zappa announced from the stage "man those guys sucked, didn't they".
What's the song at the end Any? It's unknown to the usual fonts.
It is AI I'm afraid...that is how lifelike it is now
id imagine the opposite to prog is pop, not being judgmental or anything, it just makes sense, i like a lot of prog but generally not the ones people expect, i have increasingly broad musical taste, i started collecting 60s and early 70s stuff during the early 80s, particularly psychedelic stuff, but i have, soul, blues, folk, jazz,, punk, new wave, krautrock,80s alternative,classical , exotica, reggae, rythym and blues, and pop as well, and i like different things at different times. i did like rock music first i guess.......the stooges and MC5 , i like both of them particularly the MC5 who were very influential on the melbourne underground music scene in the 80s, i did get a bit sick of flat out guitar rock sometimes but all my mates loved it. one of my best freinds was a guy named john Nolan who played great guitar in a band called the powder monkeys who were very much in that vein (lol< that was unintentional but saddly they are pretty much all dead from drug related issues, that was a pretty hard band, but they have an awesome reputation and were very good)....i was more of a tripper but so was john. we had quite a few mushroom experiences together. the velvet underground can get a bit annoying but i do quite like waiting for my man and heroin,lol, cant stand jesus and mary chain though, they were just too much of a VU clone. i love Dr Feelgood, the wilco era, but i did see them without wilco in the 80s a few times , and johnny thunders , i saw him at melbourne uni in mid 80s....i never liked ac dc much as a kid but i love em now, just the bon scott stuff but those first 4 OZ albums kick arse. Australia actually had some great 70s bands, la de das, aztecs, coloured balls,madder lake,spectrum,chain ,carson, Tully, Tamam shud, and plenty more, i have a huge collection of oz 70s stuff. i love hawkwind too , actually wearing a hawkwind t shirt right now. not a big ramones fan except for a couple of songs, they get very repetetive, lots of my old mates loved them though. good on you mate, take it easy.
Brilliant and funny.... that sweater as a scarf is an epic fail. The best part of it,
is that shivering, coughing with that sweater/scarf, you look like the cover of
the Jethro Tull Aqualung album. If you had mentioned that you just returned
from the Army up the road with some salvation a la mode and a cup of tea.
That would of been incredible.... well done 🤣😂
I think you might have dodged a bullet in not taking the job with Counting Crows. They were looking for a drummer after their fourth album "Hard Candy," and then they had a greatest hits album with a new song, with their new drummer, who was in Cheryl Crow's band, and then that dumb song on the "Shrek II" soundtrack, and didn't record an album until 2007. I would say that there were "proggy" elements to CCs' second album, "Recovering The Satellites", particularly the tracks "Children In Bloom" and the title song. That's what I got out of them, what passed as "prog" in a time I wasn't particularly listening to prog in the mid-to-late 90s, early 2000s, anyway. I wish you great success with the arts center. I hope you can survive until the warmer months!
MC5 was inducted into the R&RHOF this year for Musical Excellence
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The Jesus and Mary Chain were from a council estate in East Kilbride I like them but I also like Gong.
Hey Andy, love your videos! You’ve opened my eyes to so many great jazz rock fusion and prog bands and I appreciate everything you’re doing! You also actually rock yourself and I really dig your music too! In the interest of discussion though, I disagree with your take on the Ramones, as compared to the Sex Pistols. The Ramones came out with their style before the Sex Pistols and it’s obvious the Sex Pistols just copied the Ramone’s style. The Ramones were around before the Sex Pistols and were much more popular, so it’s obvious who took from who. Also, I would contend that the Ramones song “The KKK Took My Baby Away” is more ahead of its time than “God Save the Queen”. “The KKK Took My Baby Away” is the earliest instance I can think of where a white rock singer is talking about being in a relationship with a black woman (as opposed to just having sex with a black woman) and missing her and wanting to protect her. That’s much more forward thinking than being against the queen - everyone should be against the queen and America learned how to deal with kings and queens hundreds of years ago. But that’s just my American bias showing. Keep all the great, funny, opinionated videos coming, even if you keep your English bias (tongue in cheek, of course!).
What’s the name of that venue you’re in? “Chilly Neck?”
The Ramones song Daytime Dilemma on the epic “Too Tough to Die” album is their Prog moment-over 4 minutes long with clearly defined sections!
I listened to the Ramones "It's Alive" when it came out. A double album of noise. Side 1 was ok, but halfway thru side 2 it began to pall and the final two sides were a real chore to get thru.
Your initial presentation of antiprog or unprog immediately and without thinking had me utter, “The Destroyers, George Thorogood and The Destroyers.” -certainly their first album which is something I bought about the same time as Yes-Fragile. I enjoyed the number one pick of Ramones as there are some similarities between Ramones and Destroyers, but the Ramones’ more stylistic package presentation in a way makes them seem slightly more prog in some odd way. Now that I think about it more though, maybe it’s not so odd. I distinctly remember Andy a couple years ago (or maybe a year ago) making philosophical parallels between punk and prog…
....the Beatboxing of AC/DC made my day 😂
Along with the En Vogue from a previous video Andy can sing the hits.
Really hitting the Prog Model Airplane Glue today, aren't ya?
I smell like I'm on fire. Classic😂😂😂
In the 80’s I was the first kid on my block who had The Eddie Jobson Zinc album.
Here's something we can all do to help Andy. Let the commercials play all the way through, don't click 'Skip'. Maybe even start the video and let it run all the way through after you've watched it once yourself.
I'm willing to help but I'm skipping ads that talk about grooming my ballsack or applying perfume to my balls and arse area
Props for the image of Curly, Moe and Larry.