The wagon layout was it's selling point. It maintained car like characteristics in size and handling for those that did not want an SUV style. Length wise the wagon may be similar to an SUV, but height wise it was smaller than an SUV. This car filled a niche that no one else offered in comparison and that was the selling point of it's wagon layout. If it goes the standard SUV layout then there are tons of other options out there that offer traction control and are more capable with real 4x4 capabilities.
I got a good deal on a 2024 Premium. While the big screen is laggy at startup, Android Auto works great, and something nobody mentions is that you can press the "talk" button on the steering wheel and use voice commands like "set fan to high" or "set temperature to 70"... so most things can be done hands free, instead of touching the screen. I had my last Outback for 12 years, and the 2024 is a big upgrade in interior and ride quality in my opinion.
Same. I traded in my 2015 Premium for a 2024 Limited and I'm very happy now after a few months learning process re:infotainment skills. I've not used the voice commands other than a long-press on the steering wheel to talk to Android Auto. I guess I need the cheat sheet on Subaru voice commands because they are very specific.
They’ve really bucked that trend well. Even with the Forester’s $3k price increase, it’s cheaper than a lot of its awd competitors, and Subaru dealers almost never mark anything up.
I bought a '24 OB Onyx. Paid cash. I don't have to think about a new car for 10 years. Live in northern Wisconsin. Great in snow and cold. Does all I need.
2018 Subaru Forester In six years of ownership, I have replaced: -Rear right wheel bearing -Rear left wheel bearing -AC recharge I have spent less on repairs than most of my coworker's spend in two months on their lease. And I get to keep this paid off thing until it doesn't run anymore, which saves me thousands over a lease.
@kenfrank2730 Not ideal. But I live in the rust belt, and Cleveland Ohio literally had the city of Cleveland reimburse residents for wheel damage caused by them not maintaining the streets, so.... If that's the worse of it, I'm OK with it. Nothing structural, nothing drive train or engine related, which is more than some companies can claim....
Great video! Your sense of humor never dissapoints! With the demise of the Legacy with which it shares so much, I figured it would be only a matter of time before this form factor Outback is replaced by something else.
I just looked at new Crosstreks and Outbacks. The Outback is roomy and comfortable and would make a good road or camping car. Excellent video as always, Tyler.
I bought an Outback 2024 Wilderness a while back, partly because of your videos. I personally find it pretty fun to drive on curvy roads. Only things that I'm not a huge fan of is the down shifting can be weird (feels like the CVT disconnects sometimes when coming to a stop and it lurches a bit as there's no engine/transmission resistance/braking when it happens), and the gas mileage isn't great on the Wilderness model, but I knew that going in. But I was able to get to some neat trailheads because of the extra offroad capabilities so it works out I guess.
Reaching some of the trailheads in my area are just beyond our 2021 Forester's abilities. After walking an extra mile or two I usually find that someone made it in their Wilderness.
Great review. The steering is truly subpar, esp at higher speeds. Nevertheless, I found the plusses and the overall value enough to get an '25 Outback Premium.
I bought a CTW a month ago and LOVE it! BF bought an OBW 2 weeks ago and also LOVES it. We take his whenever we go somewhere and his seats are amazingly comfy. I use mine for a daily driver and an occasional 50 mile drive to see the kids. It’s smaller, but handles great! These vehicles are so fun and the safety features can’t be beat!
I appreciate subarus for having really great visibility and having good tires with a lot of cushion. So many manufacturers make cars with huge pillars and thin rubber band tires on big 20 inch wheels, and it's just not comfortable.
Great video. Well balanced review. You hit the downsides (that all vehicles have) well, and don't gloss over them like so many other reviewers do. -Test mule pics of the new OB are definitely a larger Forester, nearly Ascent sized generic looking SUV. It's lost all presented of a wagon. I can't see it differentiating value proposition the OB will have anymore. Oh, and I'm sure it will be $3000-$5000 more than current. I was really hoping the new OB would be just a little blockier yet still retain its distinctive lifted wagon profile that's been its hallmark for decades.
Comparing the reliability of the Outback with gasoline RAV4 AWD....did any of you take into consideration the Outback's problem with oil leakage etc? Would like to know how the buyers of Outback justify its reliability issues compared to a gasoline AWD RAV4. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I wasn’t reading many problems with oil leakage (though I’ve heard some about it with prior gens). The data here is mostly from NHTSA complaints where there were a ton of complaints with the Outback, but an overwhelming majority were down to things I mentioned and not oil seepage. A RAV might be more proven, I don’t think anyone would try to argue otherwise, but for many, the Subie is good enough and it’s a more comfortable/refined car.
@@Realistick 2005 outback, at 120K kms oil leakage was a concern, I add a bottle of oil conditioner every oil change and the seals have stayed tight and dry since then.
They have been making hybrids since 2014 XV aka Crosstrek. Unless it’s a complete Toyota setup don’t buy a Subaru hybrid. It’s just pure garbage for the extra price and literally not better mpg’s
Wife wants me to look for another car that was capable in all elements but didn't want an SUV. I had the Outback high on the list as a possible option for it's car like feel and driving characteristics. If they go the route as any other standard SUV out there, then it's off the list.
I was very impressed with the Outback when shopping for a new vehicle. It would have been the logical choice for most of my driving needs. The Touring XT is especially delightful.
Tyler, you have made a number of Subie videos all with mostly high praise. Even though you apparently have yet to own one. I believe you are a closet Subaru Fanaboy! 😂 I've owned a 2004 Forester, and 2010, 2015, & 2022 OBs. All have been great cars for the time I owned them. The 2015 had a very minor oil leak that was repaired under warranty & the 2022 needed an early battery replacement. Otherwise they were all sold, reliable, comfortable transportation.
@@magnoliap5824I have eyes and I know how to adjust my mirrors, i use my rearview mirror and I do what's called a shoulder check. You should try it sometime. There are no cars with blindspots.
Over the last few years I have driven some 'loaner' cars while having service done: GET the Outback XT in a higher trim level - the XT's get 'sound deadening' glass which makes a HUGE difference. I drove an Outback Premium with the 2.5 and the base stereo, and it was NOT up to par my 2021 Limited XT. Make the steering better (like the new Crosstrek Wilderness), and put a faster chip in the infotainment. I've never had a car I like more than my Outback. It's the best compromise of comfort and functionality I've ever owned! If the next gen Outback is a longer Forester, I will be shopping for a '25 Touring XT or a '25 Limited XT. (And I will get the Gold Warrantee again from Subaru.)
@@kenfrank2730 my wife has a '20 Legacy Limited w/2.5 - I really like driving this car (very similar to my old Passat) but I would prefer the Sport for the XT power and iirc Steering upgrade, but to be honest I prefer getting in and out of the lifted Outback over the Legacy. (I'm not 30 anymore)
It only needs two things: 1) Toyota Hybrid engine ⛽️ 2) New infotainment system 😣 Subbie, make the interior exactly like Honda. All physical buttons. 👍
I don't really understand the tech complaints. The screen brightness I agree with, but I feel it applies to most vehicles. The part you demonstrated with temperature moving slowly was ironic, as that's the thing that actually has a button. The wireless CarPlay functionality is quicker than wired CarPlay on Toyotas I've tried, and the wired Android Auto experience is quicker yet (have not tried wireless). Radio functionality is seamless if that is something you care about. Navigation next instructions can display in the center stack, while not distracting from the other gauge clusters. More shortcuts are present on the bottom row now, and the entire system is loaded before I've backed out of my parking spot. I also can control basically everything I care about in an ergonomic way with the wheel controls, which I can't say for VW (yet), and I don't have to worry about future software updates because its current state is stable and it relies primarily on my device for media. Would it be nice if more HVAC buttons were physical? Sure. But the day-to-day is totally fine with the software performance improvements over the last 4 years. Was it acceptable at launch 4 years ago? No. Is it now? I would argue more than acceptable. The HVAC controls are still worse than dials for ease of use, but now by only a little. In my opinion, being able to use the screen for a massive map that actually lets you look ahead due to its vertical height is a huge plus that easily overwhelms its cons. It makes the car vastly preferable for navigating an unfamiliar city. I am much more likely to be unfamiliar with a location than I am with a vehicle I plan to keep for 10 years.
I agree that a lot of people can get used to it, but at best, it’s tolerable and simple. I don’t think that’s what people want from such a large unit, especially as it ages. It’s painfully slow on startup, and the clip you see of me just me messing around with it to show the screen was while the car was warmed up! The vertical map orientation is a good point, I do like that, but I own a new Toyota as a long term test car and while it’s infotainment isn’t snappy, it’s more responsive than the Outback’s (though the I can’t remember the difference in carplay response) and the carplay icon sizes are larger despite it being an 8 inch screen. Plus, none of the Toyotas embed any climate controls whatsoever! In summary, I’m critiquing it because I think Subaru does need to improve it and it’s my biggest complaint with the well-rounded outback. Is it a dealbreaker for many people in the market? Meh, probably not.
I had a 2020 Outback,loved it. Hated - DESPISED the screen. Unfortunately totaled it in August. Bought a 2024 Crosstrek. And word for word, I agree with your comment. It's improved so much, it no longer bothers me at all.
You nailed all the points I’ve come to learn as well, including the issues / shortcomings such as their Infotainment unit. I’d spring for the turbo model as it works less hard and some report the same of better fuel economy than the naturally aspirated. Big but is that Infotainment system and is one able to switch off those multiple alerts if one desires to. Thanks for your review and confirming many aspects 👍🏼
@@Realistick thanks for your reply. I look forward to the 2026 model which as you may know more, will be announced in a few months (spring of 2025?). But then, it seems scary to purchase a newly designed vehicle more than ever (think of Toyotas and the unprecedented issues they’ve had in the past 18 months) and when all vehicle priced went up about 25% since 2021. Our hard earned dollars need to matter more now than ever. I’m waiting for the official news release of the new 2026 Passport Trailsport before buying anything; I think that will be a winner and I like their proven V6 that was also updated in the Pilot.
@@Realistickthat light is annoying on our 22 Legacy Limited XT! I've also noticed our Legacy is more responsive when you hit the gas pedal than the Outback XT, but I assume that's due to a somewhat lower curb weight. Still, we will likely be buying an Outback very soon. To me, the regular engine is a boat anchor. It's got to be an XT.
I disagree with the driver engagement. It's a lot of fun to drive my XT and I do push the handling to it's limits on A/T tires to boot. It's fantastic.
Wish they'd build one with a real transmission instead of a CVT and WITHOUT ANY roof rack. (Existing roof rack is visible from the side from space or 10 miles away, and the rot out in Florida sun, meaning that IF you can still get the part, you get to remove the headliner to replace the roof rack.) Timing chain and a 6 cylinder engine would help, too. BIGGEST DEFICIENCY in Outback AND Crosstrek is that the load space in the rear is 2" less tall that a FORESTER! That 31" dimension in my old Forester allowed a washing machine IN THE BOX to come home from Lowe's, with the rear hatch fully closed - something the more expensive Outback CAN'T do!
I've loved my 2020 Outback XT and haven't needed to upgrade, as the improvements haven't made it worth it for me in the past five years. However, I would jump if they offered a 360-view camera, proper HUD, and front cross-traffic alert. The infotainment software needs an upgrade too.
If you have the large screen, make sure you update the software to the latest if you haven't. Makes some simple but much-needed changes to e.g. the climate controls. th-cam.com/video/QfuEPRcXDFA/w-d-xo.html
If it really looks like this I’ll be a bit sad for the Outback. Was thinking of changing in a couple of years but I’ll be sticking with the crosstrek for now
Pretty much the same, slightly improved infotainment (wireless carplay, hvac control layout change) and different front end styling but that’s about it.
hopefully by the time you start working as a Doctor that price tag won't be a worry. Best of luck to you, Our world needs good Doctors.. who are also good drivers!
I have the 24 OB Onyx with base engine. Beware the gas mileage, I’m getting 19/24 which is about 25% less than the advertised 26/32. Dealership has checked it twice and all they say is there’s nothing wrong with the car. I can’t wait to get rid of it.
I'm torn between this and Mazda cx70.cx70 has stronger motor/tranny, 5000 lbs towing and is made in Japan, but more expensive. Outback is prolly best of all all wheels on snowy and wet hiways and low center of gravity. Tuff decisions..
Awesome review! The commentary is off-the-chain hilarious! 😆 Nice color combo on your Touring XT spec as well, really liking that Cosmic Blue on Java Brown.
Subaru traditionally is extremely conservative with their redesigns and Outback is a huge seller for the brand. I doubt they will change things all that much with a redesign as the current gen hits the sweet spot in so many ways.
@@iamcosmicdude That's awesome. Encouraging to hear from some people who have good luck with cvts. Most people will be better off changing the fluid though.
I just bought a 2025 Outback Limited, moving up from a 2015 model. The tech may be a bit dated, but going from a back-up camera and blindspot sensors, to what's on the '25 I'm stoked. "Oh yeah honey, the Outback is out back." 🤣
I can't see Subaru changing the general style / shape of the current Outback. I mean, it fits perfectly between the Forester and the Accent. But if Subaru does drastically change the Outback, I am getting a CX-50. You hear that Subaru? Please don't force me to get a Mazda!
if the outback gets away from the wagon appeal while also increasing the price more than $1K(ish) they're going to be in trouble I have a 2024 forester (honestly wish i bought the outback instead after driving my cousin's onyx) and I'm patiently waiting for the 2026 outback to see just how far off of the wagon path they're going might end up going for a 2025 outback later next year if the rumors are true
“Wagon” in the U.S a true Wagon is not allowed to have rear tinted windows, because it has the same laws as Sedans. The Outback is more of a crossover than a Wagon. It’s not a Subaru Legacy with an extended interior like the old Legacy Outbacks.
By law, it’s a crossover. And maybe the cladding and body lines make it look less like the Legacy than it used to but funny enough, if the battery dies, the gauge cluster actually thinks its a legacy! It also still shares the same length and wheelbase as the Legacy.
I'm coming back to Subaru if they get rid of the busy-box ipad screen. Knobs, buttons, and tactile controls please. Otherwise, it's been fun Subaru, best of luck.
It would be almost perfect if it didn't have some of the climate controls on the touch screen. My current vehicle has that and it can be a pain to use.
Нормальная тачка, купил 2025 outback premium, проехал 4300 миль (7000км почти что уже). Говорят ближе к концу гарантии нужно покупать обслуживание на двигатель, тк его чинить будут потом сто процентов. Ну я или продам, или докуплю доп обслуживание это. Уже аварию в жопу пережила, не моя вина, мне отреставрировали все за 14к долларов, бампер и ходовую проверили, на другом ТО даже не заметили, что машина в ремонте была, тк слишком элитный сервис. Так вот седан тот раздолбил себе перед, что в нас гнал, а у нас все окей визуально было.
1:08 No. If you are above average height, like you and I, the rearview mirror and A-pillars block a significant amount of the forward visibility. If you want to experience exceptional visibility, sit in a 1993 or earlier Saab 900. The HVAC controls are unforgivable. This alone eliminates this car as a logical choice. The seats are not shaped like any human I've ever met. If the key fob battery dies you are stranded. If you leave the liftgate open it kills the battery. This is laughable.
If the key fob battery dies, you are not stranded. A little key pops out that can get you into the car and then you press the key to the power button. Visibility was good for me, maybe not legendary, but good. I had the liftgate open awhile for filming b-roll and I didn’t run into issues but I have heard many battery complaints. No car is perfect but the Outback is a nice ride for a lot of people.
@@Realistick Ah, good to know about the key fob, I didn't know that. But here's the plot twist -- when the key fob battery is nearly dead it causes the power locks to malfunction and they continually lock and unlock themselves until the car battery dies. True story.
How can you say 'outdated electronics'? Everybody who gets into our 23 Outback raves about the big screen and the available options. It is like jumping into the Bat Mobil! Handling is also premium, and your annoying beep can be turned off.
Based on the camouflaged spy shots its fairly generic large crossover, i bet the wilderness trim will be sweet though and legend has it there will be a new infotainment interface and lots of physical controls for hvac etc.
I’m excited to hear the rumors about an improved infotainment, that has been a consistent sore point across the lineup. It seems that a lot of people are fine with it, some hate it but *almost* nobody likes it.
@Realistick I mean i can vouch for that.. it took a few updates of the infotainment in my 22 wrx with the 11.6 in larger screen setup for it to really run smoothly. I use android auto anyway, but now that ive gotten accustomed to it the setup works fine. Nevertheless its not as smooth or reactive as a smart phone, which is how these should all be aiming to perform.
That’s the exact reason I bought a 2025 Subaru outback Limited I do not like the New body style that I’ve seen on spy photos they changed the Subaru Forrester. It looks like a Ford Explorer just my opinion.
Every Subaru model seems to have a fatal flaw that Subaru just doesn’t fix until the model life cycle runs out. The new models tend to introduce a new fatal flaw of some kind. If we luck out, & Subaru gets it mostly right, buy that model just before it gets refreshed.
Number 1: Outback is the closest thing to a (reasonably priced) "station wagon." My prediction: people are going to get sick of the same old tired SUV look and return to wagons. The Outback is imperfect but it has a somewhat lower center of gravity and is a tad sleeker than the ugly SUV boxes.
Well, you are rated the hottest AF man of automovtive TH-camrs! So onto the Subby......good review....wanting to upgrade from my 2017 Crosstrek. I really want the Forester, with a Turbo....apparently NOT gonna happen, best I can hope for is a Hybrid...Oh goddy. (not)
The 2026 Honda Passport Trailsport is going to be the best mid range off-roader. Honda is getting serious about mid range off-roading. Subaru just adds gold accents.
Subaru’s safety systems are extremely annoying… which makes me think they do work lol. There was some recent spy photos and it’ll be weird seeing the Outback go full SUV and away from wagon. Though if they offer a hybrid, which will be necessary, that’ll be a game changer. Subaru has close ties with Toyota… use them. Only thing I wish they’d do differently is either add more luxury items to the Wilderness trim, or offer that beautiful blue/green color on more trims.
Pure nonsense. I would NEVER buy a new OLD design. Crosstek and Forester were redesigned, taking out all the bugs people complained about. Best to WAIT for 2026 NEW Outback if you want to buy this model, unless you are really stressed for cash, and want to get the better deal on soon outdated design. I waited for the 2025 Forester, and I absolutely love my 2025 NEW design Forester. So, don't spend tons of money just to help dealers clear their inventory. Let them worry about the floor plan costs. Get the most for your money.
Glad you like your car but you’re forgetting that the Outback is losing the wagon form factor that’s made it standout for decades. A lot of people love that, this is their last chance to get it, and it should be much cheaper too. Just because you have one outlook, doesn’t mean everyone needs to share it or else they’re wrong🥸
No I’m so mad I love my outback for the wagon look that will be there downfall I will not buy a hybrid or bigger looking outback you can’t take a big Subaru down a wide trail backroad stupid
The wagon layout was it's selling point. It maintained car like characteristics in size and handling for those that did not want an SUV style. Length wise the wagon may be similar to an SUV, but height wise it was smaller than an SUV.
This car filled a niche that no one else offered in comparison and that was the selling point of it's wagon layout. If it goes the standard SUV layout then there are tons of other options out there that offer traction control and are more capable with real 4x4 capabilities.
I got a good deal on a 2024 Premium. While the big screen is laggy at startup, Android Auto works great, and something nobody mentions is that you can press the "talk" button on the steering wheel and use voice commands like "set fan to high" or "set temperature to 70"... so most things can be done hands free, instead of touching the screen. I had my last Outback for 12 years, and the 2024 is a big upgrade in interior and ride quality in my opinion.
Same. I traded in my 2015 Premium for a 2024 Limited and I'm very happy now after a few months learning process re:infotainment skills. I've not used the voice commands other than a long-press on the steering wheel to talk to Android Auto. I guess I need the cheat sheet on Subaru voice commands because they are very specific.
This is one of the best reviews of the Subaru outback and Subaru touring XT .. many thanks from a lifetime Subaru driver
I love my 2023 XT, best vehicle I ever owned period.
everything you love becomes a crossover on a long enough timeline
Even lamborghini
Imagine Miata SUV.
@@seb5945 They came for the corolla and the mustang. Nothing is sacred
Kinda like crabs?
Recently had to car shop for the wife. Subarus are hella good deals in comparison to other awd vehicles
They’ve really bucked that trend well. Even with the Forester’s $3k price increase, it’s cheaper than a lot of its awd competitors, and Subaru dealers almost never mark anything up.
@@Realistick not only was there no mark up, i got cash off the top 🙏
I bought a '24 OB Onyx. Paid cash. I don't have to think about a new car for 10 years. Live in northern Wisconsin. Great in snow and cold. Does all I need.
2018 Subaru Forester
In six years of ownership, I have replaced:
-Rear right wheel bearing
-Rear left wheel bearing
-AC recharge
I have spent less on repairs than most of my coworker's spend in two months on their lease. And I get to keep this paid off thing until it doesn't run anymore, which saves me thousands over a lease.
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic Replacing wheel bearings at only 6 years? Not good.
@kenfrank2730 Not ideal. But I live in the rust belt, and Cleveland Ohio literally had the city of Cleveland reimburse residents for wheel damage caused by them not maintaining the streets, so.... If that's the worse of it, I'm OK with it. Nothing structural, nothing drive train or engine related, which is more than some companies can claim....
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for the update.
@@kenfrank2730 I had the same problems. Wheel bearings lasted about 40K. I got quite sick of dealing with them.
Great video! Your sense of humor never dissapoints!
With the demise of the Legacy with which it shares so much, I figured it would be only a matter of time before this form factor Outback is replaced by something else.
I just looked at new Crosstreks and Outbacks. The Outback is roomy and comfortable and would make a good road or camping car.
Excellent video as always, Tyler.
Thanks🤠
Drove a 2024. The suspension is buttery smooth. They did a great job with that.
I bought an Outback 2024 Wilderness a while back, partly because of your videos. I personally find it pretty fun to drive on curvy roads. Only things that I'm not a huge fan of is the down shifting can be weird (feels like the CVT disconnects sometimes when coming to a stop and it lurches a bit as there's no engine/transmission resistance/braking when it happens), and the gas mileage isn't great on the Wilderness model, but I knew that going in. But I was able to get to some neat trailheads because of the extra offroad capabilities so it works out I guess.
Reaching some of the trailheads in my area are just beyond our 2021 Forester's abilities.
After walking an extra mile or two I usually find that someone made it in their Wilderness.
We own a 2011 Outback, 6-cylinder, no CVT, no driver-assist tech, no slow display screen. It has 60K miles and we plan on keeping it forever.
You don’t know what you’re missing. It’s called denial.😮
2010 Impreza but with 167k miles. Old cars ftw.
2005 outback 180K kms. Drives like a rally car, can't justify getting rid of it for a car crippled with tech
Great review. The steering is truly subpar, esp at higher speeds. Nevertheless, I found the plusses and the overall value enough to get an '25 Outback Premium.
I bought a CTW a month ago and LOVE it! BF bought an OBW 2 weeks ago and also LOVES it. We take his whenever we go somewhere and his seats are amazingly comfy. I use mine for a daily driver and an occasional 50 mile drive to see the kids. It’s smaller, but handles great! These vehicles are so fun and the safety features can’t be beat!
I appreciate subarus for having really great visibility and having good tires with a lot of cushion.
So many manufacturers make cars with huge pillars and thin rubber band tires on big 20 inch wheels, and it's just not comfortable.
Great video. Well balanced review. You hit the downsides (that all vehicles have) well, and don't gloss over them like so many other reviewers do.
-Test mule pics of the new OB are definitely a larger Forester, nearly Ascent sized generic looking SUV. It's lost all presented of a wagon. I can't see it differentiating value proposition the OB will have anymore. Oh, and I'm sure it will be $3000-$5000 more than current. I was really hoping the new OB would be just a little blockier yet still retain its distinctive lifted wagon profile that's been its hallmark for decades.
Picked up a 25 Wilderness and it checks all the boxes.
Comparing the reliability of the Outback with gasoline RAV4 AWD....did any of you take into consideration the Outback's problem with oil leakage etc? Would like to know how the buyers of Outback justify its reliability issues compared to a gasoline AWD RAV4. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I wasn’t reading many problems with oil leakage (though I’ve heard some about it with prior gens). The data here is mostly from NHTSA complaints where there were a ton of complaints with the Outback, but an overwhelming majority were down to things I mentioned and not oil seepage. A RAV might be more proven, I don’t think anyone would try to argue otherwise, but for many, the Subie is good enough and it’s a more comfortable/refined car.
th-cam.com/video/ORPKEq9a4kA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gc8jvhLbWckwdH0w
I have a 2011 Outback with over 178,000 miles and have never had a problem with oil leakage.
@@Realistick 2005 outback, at 120K kms oil leakage was a concern, I add a bottle of oil conditioner every oil change and the seals have stayed tight and dry since then.
resale prices for these lifted outbacks 2020-2025 will go up when the next gen comes out that's for sure so grab one now!
It is an outback... not exactly a car known for resale. Got my 4 year old outback for 12k under original msrp.
The day the hybrid Outback hits North America I’ll be the first in line to order one.
An E-CVT will be a major upgrade.
But is a cvt 😢
@@Mirror1973 I have a GR Corolla for a fun car. For a super efficient daily a CVT isn’t a deal breaker for me(personally)
They have been making hybrids since 2014 XV aka Crosstrek. Unless it’s a complete Toyota setup don’t buy a Subaru hybrid. It’s just pure garbage for the extra price and literally not better mpg’s
you'll likely lose the spare wheel. Outbacks (at least where I live) are one of the few cars that still provide a full size spare
Wife wants me to look for another car that was capable in all elements but didn't want an SUV. I had the Outback high on the list as a possible option for it's car like feel and driving characteristics.
If they go the route as any other standard SUV out there, then it's off the list.
I was very impressed with the Outback when shopping for a new vehicle. It would have been the logical choice for most of my driving needs. The Touring XT is especially delightful.
Tyler, you have made a number of Subie videos all with mostly high praise. Even though you apparently have yet to own one. I believe you are a closet Subaru Fanaboy! 😂
I've owned a 2004 Forester, and 2010, 2015, & 2022 OBs. All have been great cars for the time I owned them. The 2015 had a very minor oil leak that was repaired under warranty & the 2022 needed an early battery replacement. Otherwise they were all sold, reliable, comfortable transportation.
The Outback is a great value even in the base model, you get everything you'd want for a colder climate.
Base has no blind spot monitoring however
@@magnoliap5824I have eyes and I know how to adjust my mirrors, i use my rearview mirror and I do what's called a shoulder check. You should try it sometime. There are no cars with blindspots.
Ok then turn your head and check your blindspots @@magnoliap5824
Over the last few years I have driven some 'loaner' cars while having service done:
GET the Outback XT in a higher trim level - the XT's get 'sound deadening' glass which makes a HUGE difference.
I drove an Outback Premium with the 2.5 and the base stereo, and it was NOT up to par my 2021 Limited XT.
Make the steering better (like the new Crosstrek Wilderness), and put a faster chip in the infotainment.
I've never had a car I like more than my Outback. It's the best compromise of comfort and functionality I've ever owned!
If the next gen Outback is a longer Forester, I will be shopping for a '25 Touring XT or a '25 Limited XT. (And I will get the Gold Warrantee again from Subaru.)
Any opinion on the Sport?
@@kenfrank2730 my wife has a '20 Legacy Limited w/2.5 - I really like driving this car (very similar to my old Passat) but I would prefer the Sport for the XT power and iirc Steering upgrade, but to be honest I prefer getting in and out of the lifted Outback over the Legacy. (I'm not 30 anymore)
I bought my 2025 Subaru outback onyx edition 3 days ago, i gotta say it was the greatest choice i had ever made.
Just needs a hybrid and it would be a hot seller; cross shopped this hard with the RAV4 Hybrid and 4Runner
Can you get the limited with a non turbo? I keep a car for a cery long time and concerned the turbo won't last. We do drive our car very easy.
I like the Outback and Crosstrek but having almost everything in that touch screen is a deal breaker for me. VW has done the same thing.
New '26 Outback photos suggest it will be an enlarged '25 Forester (longer, taller, same boxy shape, larger wheels) - wagon swoopiness will be gone.
The new model looks like crap on 4 wheels. either I get a 2025 or wait 5 yrs for another redesign.
It only needs two things:
1) Toyota Hybrid engine ⛽️
2) New infotainment system 😣
Subbie, make the interior exactly like Honda. All physical buttons. 👍
3) better fuel economy.
@@kenfrank2730 it is there: 1) Toyota Hybrid engine ;)
I wish the new redesign makes the Outback sleeker and sexier like Volvo wagons are. They're unnecessarily rugged and cheap looking atm.
I don't really understand the tech complaints. The screen brightness I agree with, but I feel it applies to most vehicles. The part you demonstrated with temperature moving slowly was ironic, as that's the thing that actually has a button. The wireless CarPlay functionality is quicker than wired CarPlay on Toyotas I've tried, and the wired Android Auto experience is quicker yet (have not tried wireless). Radio functionality is seamless if that is something you care about. Navigation next instructions can display in the center stack, while not distracting from the other gauge clusters. More shortcuts are present on the bottom row now, and the entire system is loaded before I've backed out of my parking spot.
I also can control basically everything I care about in an ergonomic way with the wheel controls, which I can't say for VW (yet), and I don't have to worry about future software updates because its current state is stable and it relies primarily on my device for media. Would it be nice if more HVAC buttons were physical? Sure. But the day-to-day is totally fine with the software performance improvements over the last 4 years. Was it acceptable at launch 4 years ago? No. Is it now? I would argue more than acceptable. The HVAC controls are still worse than dials for ease of use, but now by only a little.
In my opinion, being able to use the screen for a massive map that actually lets you look ahead due to its vertical height is a huge plus that easily overwhelms its cons. It makes the car vastly preferable for navigating an unfamiliar city. I am much more likely to be unfamiliar with a location than I am with a vehicle I plan to keep for 10 years.
I agree that a lot of people can get used to it, but at best, it’s tolerable and simple. I don’t think that’s what people want from such a large unit, especially as it ages. It’s painfully slow on startup, and the clip you see of me just me messing around with it to show the screen was while the car was warmed up! The vertical map orientation is a good point, I do like that, but I own a new Toyota as a long term test car and while it’s infotainment isn’t snappy, it’s more responsive than the Outback’s (though the I can’t remember the difference in carplay response) and the carplay icon sizes are larger despite it being an 8 inch screen. Plus, none of the Toyotas embed any climate controls whatsoever!
In summary, I’m critiquing it because I think Subaru does need to improve it and it’s my biggest complaint with the well-rounded outback. Is it a dealbreaker for many people in the market? Meh, probably not.
I had a 2020 Outback,loved it. Hated - DESPISED the screen.
Unfortunately totaled it in August. Bought a 2024 Crosstrek. And word for word, I agree with your comment. It's improved so much, it no longer bothers me at all.
You nailed all the points I’ve come to learn as well, including the issues / shortcomings such as their Infotainment unit. I’d spring for the turbo model as it works less hard and some report the same of better fuel economy than the naturally aspirated. Big but is that Infotainment system and is one able to switch off those multiple alerts if one desires to. Thanks for your review and confirming many aspects 👍🏼
I really hope the new car allows us to shut off the Lane Departure Warning without putting a warning light on the dash like it currently does!
@@Realistick thanks for your reply. I look forward to the 2026 model which as you may know more, will be announced in a few months (spring of 2025?). But then, it seems scary to purchase a newly designed vehicle more than ever (think of Toyotas and the unprecedented issues they’ve had in the past 18 months) and when all vehicle priced went up about 25% since 2021. Our hard earned dollars need to matter more now than ever.
I’m waiting for the official news release of the new 2026 Passport Trailsport before buying anything; I think that will be a winner and I like their proven V6 that was also updated in the Pilot.
@@Realistickthat light is annoying on our 22 Legacy Limited XT! I've also noticed our Legacy is more responsive when you hit the gas pedal than the Outback XT, but I assume that's due to a somewhat lower curb weight. Still, we will likely be buying an Outback very soon. To me, the regular engine is a boat anchor. It's got to be an XT.
I disagree with the driver engagement. It's a lot of fun to drive my XT and I do push the handling to it's limits on A/T tires to boot. It's fantastic.
Wish they'd build one with a real transmission instead of a CVT and WITHOUT ANY roof rack. (Existing roof rack is visible from the side from space or 10 miles away, and the rot out in Florida sun, meaning that IF you can still get the part, you get to remove the headliner to replace the roof rack.) Timing chain and a 6 cylinder engine would help, too. BIGGEST DEFICIENCY in Outback AND Crosstrek is that the load space in the rear is 2" less tall that a FORESTER! That 31" dimension in my old Forester allowed a washing machine IN THE BOX to come home from Lowe's, with the rear hatch fully closed - something the more expensive Outback CAN'T do!
I've loved my 2020 Outback XT and haven't needed to upgrade, as the improvements haven't made it worth it for me in the past five years. However, I would jump if they offered a 360-view camera, proper HUD, and front cross-traffic alert. The infotainment software needs an upgrade too.
If you have the large screen, make sure you update the software to the latest if you haven't. Makes some simple but much-needed changes to e.g. the climate controls. th-cam.com/video/QfuEPRcXDFA/w-d-xo.html
I'd buy one if they had a Toyota turbocharged 4 cylinder mated to an Aisin Warner 8 speed automatic.
They can't afford to take the MPG hit on a big seller which is why the CVT won't go away.
If it really looks like this I’ll be a bit sad for the Outback. Was thinking of changing in a couple of years but I’ll be sticking with the crosstrek for now
I just bought a 2025 onyx xt edition outback. Does remote start cone standard? Doesn't seem to work whenever I try the 3 clicks
Im about to test drive a 2020 touring xt. How does it compare to the newer iterations like the 2025?
Pretty much the same, slightly improved infotainment (wireless carplay, hvac control layout change) and different front end styling but that’s about it.
i don't finish med school until 2027 but man I wish they still make a wagon that starts under 35k by then
hopefully by the time you start working as a Doctor that price tag won't be a worry.
Best of luck to you, Our world needs good Doctors..
who are also good drivers!
@@annmcfarlane3064 $80 a hour and cant afford a new outback
The “infotainment” screen is one of my main reasons to wait for the 2026.. I hope the new design is a big improvement.
I have the 24 OB Onyx with base engine. Beware the gas mileage, I’m getting 19/24 which is about 25% less than the advertised 26/32. Dealership has checked it twice and all they say is there’s nothing wrong with the car. I can’t wait to get rid of it.
I'm torn between this and Mazda cx70.cx70 has stronger motor/tranny, 5000 lbs towing and is made in Japan, but more expensive.
Outback is prolly best of all all wheels on snowy and wet hiways and low center of gravity. Tuff decisions..
Awesome review! The commentary is off-the-chain hilarious! 😆
Nice color combo on your Touring XT spec as well, really liking that Cosmic Blue on Java Brown.
Bought a 2025 outback limited in August
Subaru traditionally is extremely conservative with their redesigns and Outback is a huge seller for the brand. I doubt they will change things all that much with a redesign as the current gen hits the sweet spot in so many ways.
It looks like a full blown SUV instead of a wagon. Seems they shit the bed with the redesign, sadly.
@ Im hoping that’s not the case, but you may be right
Wireless carplay has deadzone issues 😢
Unfortunately they still have their less than long term durable CVT.
Hybrid model may be in the works. No more belt CVT.
234,000 miles on my 2010 OB CVT with original torque converter and valve body, no fluid changes.
@@0HOON0 it's a chain
@@iamcosmicdude Metal belt
@@iamcosmicdude That's awesome. Encouraging to hear from some people who have good luck with cvts.
Most people will be better off changing the fluid though.
I just bought a 2025 Outback Limited, moving up from a 2015 model. The tech may be a bit dated, but going from a back-up camera and blindspot sensors, to what's on the '25 I'm stoked.
"Oh yeah honey, the Outback is out back." 🤣
I can't see Subaru changing the general style / shape of the current Outback. I mean, it fits perfectly between the Forester and the Accent. But if Subaru does drastically change the Outback, I am getting a CX-50. You hear that Subaru? Please don't force me to get a Mazda!
Seems like non-hybrid only Outback is hurting Subaru. They are owned 30% by Toyota, but no hybrid? Strange strategy.
if the outback gets away from the wagon appeal while also increasing the price more than $1K(ish) they're going to be in trouble
I have a 2024 forester (honestly wish i bought the outback instead after driving my cousin's onyx) and I'm patiently waiting for the 2026 outback to see just how far off of the wagon path they're going
might end up going for a 2025 outback later next year if the rumors are true
“Wagon” in the U.S a true Wagon is not allowed to have rear tinted windows, because it has the same laws as Sedans. The Outback is more of a crossover than a Wagon. It’s not a Subaru Legacy with an extended interior like the old Legacy Outbacks.
By law, it’s a crossover. And maybe the cladding and body lines make it look less like the Legacy than it used to but funny enough, if the battery dies, the gauge cluster actually thinks its a legacy! It also still shares the same length and wheelbase as the Legacy.
Hi, can you please fly to Europe or Japan and do a Levorg review?
how does it stack up to Forester?
It’s more premium and affordable, yet more dated than the forester. I put a link in the video description to my full comparison!
I'm coming back to Subaru if they get rid of the busy-box ipad screen. Knobs, buttons, and tactile controls please. Otherwise, it's been fun Subaru, best of luck.
It would be almost perfect if it didn't have some of the climate controls on the touch screen. My current vehicle has that and it can be a pain to use.
Нормальная тачка, купил 2025 outback premium, проехал 4300 миль (7000км почти что уже).
Говорят ближе к концу гарантии нужно покупать обслуживание на двигатель, тк его чинить будут потом сто процентов. Ну я или продам, или докуплю доп обслуживание это.
Уже аварию в жопу пережила, не моя вина, мне отреставрировали все за 14к долларов, бампер и ходовую проверили, на другом ТО даже не заметили, что машина в ремонте была, тк слишком элитный сервис. Так вот седан тот раздолбил себе перед, что в нас гнал, а у нас все окей визуально было.
it´s a good car unfortunately it cost in Germany between $ 50 -55k with only 167 NA HP 😞and thats why this car is very rare here 😭. Thanks.
Just needs new engine subaru!
so what will change for 2026?
All we can actually say with some confidence (based on spy photos and the dealer event) is that it is no longer a wagon style and it is larger.
Noo it's not going away😢😢 I love this raised wagon😭
I'm really hoping the rumors aren't true too but they seem unfortunately solid :/
It is turning into a legit SUV shape in 2026...near ascent size
@@Hallowsaw don't we have enough of those??? Smh
@Realistick oh yea I hope something changes their mind😪
@@Hallowsaw Isnt that just a Forrester then?
Big mistake to change the roof rack on the Wilderness... moved backwards.
1:08 No. If you are above average height, like you and I, the rearview mirror and A-pillars block a significant amount of the forward visibility. If you want to experience exceptional visibility, sit in a 1993 or earlier Saab 900.
The HVAC controls are unforgivable. This alone eliminates this car as a logical choice. The seats are not shaped like any human I've ever met. If the key fob battery dies you are stranded. If you leave the liftgate open it kills the battery. This is laughable.
If the key fob battery dies, you are not stranded. A little key pops out that can get you into the car and then you press the key to the power button. Visibility was good for me, maybe not legendary, but good. I had the liftgate open awhile for filming b-roll and I didn’t run into issues but I have heard many battery complaints. No car is perfect but the Outback is a nice ride for a lot of people.
@@Realistick Ah, good to know about the key fob, I didn't know that. But here's the plot twist -- when the key fob battery is nearly dead it causes the power locks to malfunction and they continually lock and unlock themselves until the car battery dies. True story.
Bought a new 2024 and the touch sensitive tech did not work. Dealer could not fix it and would not take the car back!
How can you say 'outdated electronics'? Everybody who gets into our 23 Outback raves about the big screen and the available options. It is like jumping into the Bat Mobil! Handling is also premium, and your annoying beep can be turned off.
Based on the camouflaged spy shots its fairly generic large crossover, i bet the wilderness trim will be sweet though and legend has it there will be a new infotainment interface and lots of physical controls for hvac etc.
I’m excited to hear the rumors about an improved infotainment, that has been a consistent sore point across the lineup. It seems that a lot of people are fine with it, some hate it but *almost* nobody likes it.
@Realistick I mean i can vouch for that.. it took a few updates of the infotainment in my 22 wrx with the 11.6 in larger screen setup for it to really run smoothly. I use android auto anyway, but now that ive gotten accustomed to it the setup works fine. Nevertheless its not as smooth or reactive as a smart phone, which is how these should all be aiming to perform.
The 2026 actually looks nice. Initially it looked boxy but it’s really not.
I spot a Sony! Just can't tell if it's an A7C or A7CII.
I hope they continue with the wagon. We love our 2023 Premium. Everything being a SUV/CUV these days is lame and vanilla.
Unfortunately its not going to be a wagon anymore for the 2026 model
That’s the exact reason I bought a 2025 Subaru outback Limited I do not like the New body style that I’ve seen on spy photos they changed the Subaru Forrester. It looks like a Ford Explorer just my opinion.
I saw a sneak preview of the 2026 and yep, more of an SUV look.
I wish Subaru Outback which was for many years by Consumer Reports the best Wagon - would be more reliable car...
Give me a manual with eyesight, seating for 7 and a turbo
The new leaked spy photos of the supposed ‘26 Outback look disappointing 😢
Every Subaru model seems to have a fatal flaw that Subaru just doesn’t fix until the model life cycle runs out. The new models tend to introduce a new fatal flaw of some kind. If we luck out, & Subaru gets it mostly right, buy that model just before it gets refreshed.
Dear Subaru, DO NOT make the outback bulkier. Thanks.
wish they had v6 or H6
The Outback has kept the wagon alive in the mainstream market. Now it is time to pass the baton to the new Crown Signia.
Number 1: Outback is the closest thing to a (reasonably priced) "station wagon." My prediction: people are going to get sick of the same old tired SUV look and return to wagons. The Outback is imperfect but it has a somewhat lower center of gravity and is a tad sleeker than the ugly SUV boxes.
I want a new subaru but I don't want the infotainment system
I want the car, but the infotainment center is a deal breaker. its terrible.
You have no idea what the redesign will look like. Or if it will be redesigned.
Not true! Volvo also makes wagons in 2024!
I didn't say wagons were gone, I said that the Outback is the last of the affordable ones left until the upcoming redesign.
foglights look like pimples, i missed the big fogs from the 90’s
If the future Outback won’t fit in my garage with my ski box mounted, I won’t buy one. I’ll buy a Volvo.
Why you shouldn't ... CVT!
Well, you are rated the hottest AF man of automovtive TH-camrs! So onto the Subby......good review....wanting to upgrade from my 2017 Crosstrek. I really want the Forester, with a Turbo....apparently NOT gonna happen, best I can hope for is a Hybrid...Oh goddy. (not)
The 2026 Honda Passport Trailsport is going to be the best mid range off-roader. Honda is getting serious about mid range off-roading. Subaru just adds gold accents.
What it needs is 5" less ground clearance and lower belt line.
New engine subaru! Or full hybrid system! In Europe it's esiancial these days... That why toyota winning sales...
I will give you one reason not to buy it - it is neither great off road nor great on road. It is mediocre at everything.
Subaru’s safety systems are extremely annoying… which makes me think they do work lol.
There was some recent spy photos and it’ll be weird seeing the Outback go full SUV and away from wagon. Though if they offer a hybrid, which will be necessary, that’ll be a game changer. Subaru has close ties with Toyota… use them.
Only thing I wish they’d do differently is either add more luxury items to the Wilderness trim, or offer that beautiful blue/green color on more trims.
Pure nonsense. I would NEVER buy a new OLD design. Crosstek and Forester were redesigned, taking out all the bugs people complained about. Best to WAIT for 2026 NEW Outback if you want to buy this model, unless you are really stressed for cash, and want to get the better deal on soon outdated design. I waited for the 2025 Forester, and I absolutely love my 2025 NEW design Forester. So, don't spend tons of money just to help dealers clear their inventory. Let them worry about the floor plan costs. Get the most for your money.
Glad you like your car but you’re forgetting that the Outback is losing the wagon form factor that’s made it standout for decades. A lot of people love that, this is their last chance to get it, and it should be much cheaper too. Just because you have one outlook, doesn’t mean everyone needs to share it or else they’re wrong🥸
No I’m so mad I love my outback for the wagon look that will be there downfall I will not buy a hybrid or bigger looking outback you can’t take a big Subaru down a wide trail backroad stupid
2026 spy photos look absolutely bland. Looses all it's appeal. Hard pass.
It’s hideous though