Temp Step, with all due respect, you DEFINITELY don't know what you are talking about. The "mere tradition of men" HAS BEEN THE SAME tradition for at least 3,500 years. And the Talmud is way deeper than your mental capacity may reach. So, before making a fool of yourself, be wise and keep your ignorance to yourself. Shalom alecha! 🇮🇱 Am Israel chay
God bless you Dr Brown ... you are doing an incredible work. You are a blessing for the body of Christ. Love from Democratic Republic of Congo in Africa
As a Jew, I'm thankful that I found Jesus Christ, and am well settled in it. Nothing can dim my faith. God protected me from these blind teachers of fables.
@@MarkusGhambari Praise the Lord for that. I'm glad you see the light. It's next to impossible for us to shake off the meaningless beliefs that were past down to us. Christ is the Lord.
@@steve2841 I can only imagine depending on your parents, the more orthodox, the more difficult. Same with Islam. But thankfully nothing is impossible for God :)
@@MarkusGhambari we were totally secular, but the curse of Christ rejection..is still ingrained in us as a race. I been a missionary worker for 12 years.
@@MarkusGhambari So happy for you Markus, I came to jesus from an islamic background too. So happy for you and pray that you're safe wherever you live.
You will not see Me again until you say : *_"Blessed is He Who comes in THE NAME OF THE LORD."_* The blindness is for the sake of the gentiles, of those who have been given eyes to see and ears to hear anyway. *Behold! The Lamb of God, Who taketh away the sins of the world!*
Rabbi Asher keeps saying that this text is hyperbolic. The definition of hyperbole is, “Excessive exaggeration”. This text is a clear reading without exaggeration which clearly demonstrates that it is meant to be interpreted as literal.
The builders rejected the cornerstone and then the Israelis house fell down. But then the Cornerstone was offered to the Gentiles and the Gentiles built a temple in their hearts that this world will and cannot undermine. Narrow is the path that leads to salvation.
Dr Brown is so clear minded and asks a very simple question *"Who else could be so highly exalted over Abraham, Moses and the angels?"* Simple and easy question from scripture. But all that happens is Romans 11 : 8. I pray the Lord opens the Rabbi's eyes. It's always possible since he's willing to have a dialogue about it.
Mr Liver - alive in Christ AMEN, intellectually honest people follow the evidence to the logical conclusion even if they don't like it. I pray the Rabbi gets some intellectual honesty.
The only intellectual honesty to be offered is this - _Is. 43;11 I, I am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior._ This one verse Brown will not discuss and if he addresses it he does the 'Christian shuffle' which is to reinterpret it (God is a plural unity) and skirt the obvious statement made. I've sent this verse to him repeatedly over the last 2 years and he will not address it.
+MrArtist1971 "Is. 43;11 I, I am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior." Thanks for proving again that Jesus is in fact God, good job bro! " I've sent this verse to him repeatedly over the last 2 years and he will not address it." Yes, most people will avoid those who behave like stalkers like a plague! May I suggest a different approach? may the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
No offense to Meza but he's unprepared for this. Brown is cherry picking the Isaiah 53 reference and shoe horning it to fit Christian doctrine - as all Christians do. The suffering servant is clear if you simply read the preceding chapters. Isaiah 44;1 But now hear, O Jacob my servant , Israel whom I have chosen! Isaiah 44;21 Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel, for you are my servant ; I formed you; you are my servant; O Israel, you will not be forgotten by me. Isaiah 45;4 For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I called you by your name, I name you, though you do not know me. Isaiah 48;20 Go out from Babylon, flee from Chaldea, declare this with a shout of joy, proclaim it, send it out to the end of the earth; say, “The Lord has redeemed his servant Jacob!” Isaiah 49;3 And he said to me, “You are my servant , Israel, in whom I will be glorified.”
@@MrArtist1971 Those are two totally different contexts that don't connect. Israel is nowhere exalted to the level of YHWH. (Also, just to start, you misrepresented Isaiah 49:3. I don't have the energy to check the others given how lengthy this reply will be, but there is a definite narrative shift at verse 5: "And now YHWH says-he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him, to gather Israel back to himself..." This isn't talking about Israel, so 49:3 doesn't extend far enough to draw any sort of unbroken narrative from.) Moroever, the context of the suffering in 53 is of another entity suffering _for_ Israel. Isaiah starts using phrases like "for the transgression of my people" and "pierced for our trangressions": how is Israel the servant suffering for the sake of Isaiah's people when the sufferer is being portrayed as a separate being from Isaiah's people? There is also the textual evidence that Israel is referred as a female. The suffering servant is a male. Israel is the Daughter of Zion, yet the suffering servant is "he". Now that's especially important when you recognize that a sharp subject change happen at 52:13: "for YHWH will go before you". Then in the next verse the servant spoken is male (not a daughter) and he's given the language of divine exaltation. More importantly, it isn't just Christians who interpret this figure as a human being. It's messianic interpretation goes back to Judaism. In fact, I've even seen it said, and I've had it said to me, that the prophecy is about a Persian king.
@@blanktrigger8863 Yeah, interpretation and perspective casts a wide net. I don't have the energy either. These debates get tedious as they branch into increasing twists and turns. The fact remains is that Torah is the trunk, the beginning; God's commandments and laws to be obeyed. Christian and Judaic 'views' of 'whatever messiah' is a quick path to nowhere. We're called to obey the only true El - YHWH. I'm continually bombarded by Christian heresy telling me to go against the clear Words of Elohim, which I will not heed. I appreciate your well thought out points but you know where I stand. God bless you and lead you into obedience and truth and keep you from deceit.
@@MrArtist1971 The problem with that statement is that at the very least the idea of a diune YHWH is present even in Torah. It's also present very clearly in prophecy, ergo the Ancient Days sharing his divinity with the "one like a son of man". Or the divine exaltation of the suffering servant which is extremely similar to the language of the prophecy in Daniel. It has nothing to do with deceit, but rather one's willingness to see that even those who wrote the Old Testament were struggling to wrap their minds around the trinitarian nature of YHWH. If that openness isn't there, the truth evades perception.
@@blanktrigger8863 Again, this has nothing to do with anything. This kind of discussion is very atypical of Christian distractions AWAY from the commandments of YHWH and down the road of interpretation. Pointless. If you're interested in the trinity I suggest you research it's origin. It's heresy and Catholic.
It's important to witness to the Jews. I witnessed to one and there was unbelief. I witnessed to another Jewish person saying " He was pierced through for our transgressions......" And that woman said OH, THAT'S JESUS!!!! SO, WE SPEAK, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT USES HOLY SCRIPTURE TO OPEN THEIR EYES AND THEIR HEARTS!!!! Keep speaking with gentleness and respect. Some plant, some water, but it is God Who causes the increase. Jesus is coming soon!!!!!!
@@ericdumont610 And so He did: He came unto His own, and His own rejected Him. And now the signs are everywhere that the End of this chapter of earth's history may be winding down, which will ultimately be heralded by Jesus' return. He came as a Lamb the first time and laid down His life for the atonement of all sin for those who accept Him; next, He will come in fury and justice as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah ["It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplement; then THEY WILL LOOK ON ME WHOM THEY PIERCED. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a first born. ... and will say to Him, 'What are these wounds between your arms?' and He will answer, "Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends'" (from Zechariah, chapters 12 and 13)] , wiping out His enemies and bringing peace for a thousand years. "Even so, come! Lord Jesus!"
@@ericdumont610 Eric, yes, The Lord Jesus Christ was born in human flesh about 2000 years ago!!! But He's coming in the clouds very very soon to meet His adopted children in the air. Christian's call that event the rapture of the Church!!!! Then, God's wrath will be poured out on the Earth for 7 years to all those people who reject Jesus Christ and the gospel message of salvation. Have you heard the good news about Jesus Christ and how He so loved the people He created, that He came to Earth to die on the cross for our sins against God and His Ten Commandments?? Here is a short version: No other god's before Me, do not worship idols nor serve them, nor bow down to them, do not use God's Name in vain, Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy ( work 6 day's and rest one day and come to Lord Jesus Christ's Church to worship God and hear what God has to say, honor your parents, do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, don't tell lies, do not covet anything of your neighbors. God says, "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and the wages of sin is death but the FREE GIFT of GOD is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. His blood covers our sins. He was buried and rose victoriously from the dead on the third day just like He said He would!!!! HE'S ALIVE TODAY AND HE'S INVISIBLE! God says, "For by grace you have been saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the GIFT OF GOD NOT AS A RESULT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST. God loves justice, and our sins against Him deserve punishment; so The Holy Father sent His Son Jesus Christ to take the punishment we deserve upon Himself, thus satisfying God's justice and wrath; so NOW GOD CAN OFFER HIS GRACE AND MERCY BY FAITH ALONE IN JESUS WORK ON THE CROSS FOR YOUR SINS. IT IS A FREE GIFT OF GOD NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST. If you believe God's testimony and are willing to repent of your sins, you can be saved. Jesus came to offer us forgiveness of sins, eternal life, to set us FREE FROM SINS, and the hope of Heaven. Please call upon Jesus Christ's Name and invite Him into your life as Savior and Lord. There is a place called Heaven where all who are saved will go to when they die. There is a place called Hell where those people who reject Jesus will go to when they die. It is a place where people will suffer eternally and be separated from God forever. Please be reconciled to God today!!!! Hope to see you in Heaven. Pray, and ask The Lord to lead you to His Faithful Church. He is able.
@@carolbrock5798 esus of Nazareth' supposedly lived in what is the most well-documented period of antiquity - the first century of the Christian era - yet not a single non-Christian source mentions the miracle worker from the sky. All references - including the notorious insertions in Josephus - stem from partisan Christian sources (and Josephus himself, much argued over, was not even born until after the supposed crucifixion). The horrendous truth is that the Christian Jesus was manufactured from plundered sources, re-purposed for the needs of the early Church. It is not with a human being that the Jesus myth begins. Christ is not a deified man but a humanised god who happened to be given the name Yeshu. Those real Jesuses, those that lived and died within normal human parameters, may have left stories and legends behind, later cannibalised by Christian scribes as source material for their own hero, but it is not with any flesh and blood rebel/rabbi/wonder-worker that the story begins. Rather, its genesis is in theology itself.
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Awesome conversation by both individuals. Good finish. Thanks Dr. Brown for giving the last word to Rabbi Meza, and then beseeching the audience to seek out the truth on their own. This demonstrates your gentlemanliness as well as your faith in God's Word and Spirit.
The rabbi keeps saying that it's not talking about one person, but it is so clear it is singular! How can he twist Scriptures like this? If God was talking about a group of prophets, He could have said so easily. The Bible is so true that Israel is blinded and hard-hearted. They will NOT believe whatever you say. No wonder Yeshua wept for Jerusalem! We will pray for Israel's eyes to be opened.
Belinda G It’s not quite correct to say that “Israel is blinded and hard-hearted” since Dr. Brown is an example of a Jew who isn’t “blinded and hard-hoarded” and there are thousands of others too. It was Paul who said that 2000 years ago.
N B N B, I don’t see any of those particular words (“them in verse 8” and “deaths in verse 9”) as you say in Isaiah 53. Are you sure you’re talking about Isaiah 53 or some other chapter? Anyway, I see actually 3 “Servants” in the Scroll of Isaiah: (1), Cyrus (2). Israel (3). The Messiah for example the Scripture says, in Isaiah 49:5 and 6: “Now says Yahveh who formed Me from the womb to be His Servant, to bring Jacob again to him, and that Israel be gathered to Him (for I am honorable in the eyes of Yahweh, and my God is become my strength); yes, He says, "It is too light a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give you for a light to the nations, that you may be my salvation to the end of the earth." So here we have this particular “Servant” (which the prophet Isaiah was speaking on behalf of Yahveh), was “formed in the womb” by Yahveh Himself, and was later to “to bring back Jacob (Israel) to Him (Yahveh)” so that “Israel would be restored to Him” (or gathered to Him). This Servant shall be “glorious (וְאֶכָּבֵד֙) in the eyes of Yahveh” and Yahveh “will be the Servant’s Strength.” Then the prophet Isaiah says, “And He (Yahveh) says: “It is too light a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give you for a light to the nations, that you may be my salvation to the end of the earth." Therefore, The Servant HERE, could not be Israel, because at this time Israel would be out of His Favor, but is in need to be “brought back to Him” and be “restored.” Also, this cannot be Isaiah the prophet because the language used by Isaiah describes someone else. It also cannot be Cyrus because he was never “a Light to the Nations” and Yahveh’s “Salvation” to the end of the earth.” Only MY OPINION and I can say confidently that I was honest in my hermeneutical interpretation; for I desire the truth wherever IT leads. Sincerely, David.
@@David-kk4dr In Isaiah 53:8 according to the Hebrew text we read: "For the transgression of my people a plague befell *them (lamo)."* And in verse 9 the Hebrew word for "death" is plural so it's literally "deaths" although it should be noted that plural in the Hebrew Bible doesn't always denote a plural in number but rather a plural in intensity. But still, the plural form of "death" here makes the most sense in the context of the passage and with the servant being called "them" in verse 8. Regarding Isaiah 49, the Prophet Isaiah is speaking here about himself. The primary purpose of the prophets was to the bring the people back to God and this is what the text is speaking about here. Even in this passage however the servant is referred to as Israel (verse 3). Isaiah is singled out because he was among the righteous of Israel who are to be a light to the nations. And the righteous of Israel are also tasked with bringing the rest of Israel back to God and that's why read that the servant/Israel of verse 3 is tasked with bringing Israel back to God (verse 5).
@@David-kk4dr You might be able to say regarding Isaiah 53:8 that the "them" refers to the immediate antecedent - i.e. for the transgression of my people a plague befell them (my people).
N B @ N B, thank you for your response. What I see in verse 8 is the Servant is condemned to death. He would be “taken away” and “cut off from the land of the living.” The latter verb (נִגְזַר֙) “He was cut off” is always used of a violent and premature death (as in 2 Kings 6:4 cutting timber or trees; 2 Chron. 26:21 King Uzziah; Psa. 88:5 regarding those who go down to the pit etc.). What is not so clear in verse 8 is how the Servant’s death is connected to his “arrest” (מֵעֹ֤צֶר the very first word in verse 8) which word is also found in Psalm 107:39, and which is defined as “to restrain; to shut up as in imprison” see also 2 Kings 17:4. So, verse 8 begins מֵעֹ֤צֶר וּמִמִּשְׁפָּט֙ (“From prison and from judgement...”). Therefore, the main possible interpretations are: (1). “Without” arrest and “without” judgment the servant was taken away, that is, he was not legally arrested and did not receive a fair trial. Or, (2). from the midst of the arrest (confinement, restraint, or oppression) and “judgement” he was taken away by death. And lastly, (3). By reason of arrest and a judgement he was taken away, that is, he was arrested and then sentenced to die. If you notice that in verse 5 it was the Servant’s suffering only, which was substitutionary; but in verse 8 it is his death itself. The servant would become, potentially the substitution of all those who committed “sins” and “iniquities” (our sins and our iniquities, v.5) “for the sin of My people (Israel) who deserved the punishment” (v.8). Again, I repeat this is my opinion and I don’t like quarreling, but I don’t mind respectful and honorable reason and debate. Shalom, David.
Isaiah 53 is a complete biography of Jesus Christ, His life, ministry, death, resurrection and prophetic telling of the Gospel. If we lost the New Testament, this one passage would allow us to reconstruct enough of the Gospel to bring someone to salvation.
T 1985 Why not both? Yeshua Messiah is both a form and a son of YHVH yet he was both and prayed to his Father YHVH in the garden before his crucifixion. He was both flesh and spirit. Yeshua always did the will of his Father, taught his word and served him unto death and resurrection. He sits at the right hand of his Father even now.
YHWH can do anything. YHWH can worship himself as elohim. Jesus had to fulfil the commandments. First being know YHWH is elohim... Or are you suggesting that YHWH Is not omnipotent? Or that Yahawashi sinned?
T 1985 This rabbi dude is wrong an you are also. Daniel 9 24-25 answers this. An the first verse on Daniel 9:26 Make an end to sins. INTERCEDE on our behalf. Then it says to Annoit the Holy of One Israel this is the Messiah. Also gave US time. From Nehemiah building the walls in Jerusalem to the time of Jesus on earth. That's prophecy is for 483 years then the clock stops short 7 years cause the prophecy first told was for 490 years . So then you see the Messiah is cut off (Die) just like Isaiah 53 says. An then it says (NOT FOR HIMSELF). He didn't die cause of anything He did .. So it wasn't for Himself it was our crimes. So He reconciles our sins.. Daniel answers Isaiah 53
The servant is clearly named. Its Jacob-Israel. "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, the offspring of Abraham, my friend; you whom I took from the ends of the earth, and called from its farthest corners, saying to you, “You are my servant, I have chosen you and not cast you off.” ~ Isaiah 41:8-9 But now hear, O Jacob my servant, Israel whom I have chosen! ~ Isaiah 44:1 Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel, for you are my servant; I formed you; you are my servant; O Israel, you will not be forgotten by me. ~ Isaiah 44:21 For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I called you by your name, I name you, though you do not know me. ~ Isaiah 45:4 "Go out from Babylon, flee from Chaldea, declare this with a shout of joy, proclaim it, send it out to the end of the earth; say, “The Lord has redeemed his servant Jacob!” ~ Isaiah 48:20 "And he said to me, “You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.” ~ Isaiah 49:3
@@reecemesser - Consider this...God always verified His prophets, so that it will be clear to you. God always named His servants, so that you are not deceived. God shows us the identity of His servant in Isaiah 53 by name: "For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I called you by your name, I name you” Isaiah 45:4. You will never find a mysteriously nameless, un-assigned servant in the Hebrew Scriptures. Please start with Isaiah 41. The named, righteous servant is Jacob-Israel, who God said with clarity that God had: chosen, redeemed, glorified, named, will not cast off (Isaiah 41:8-9, Isaiah 44:1, Isaiah 44:21, Isaiah 45:4, Isaiah 48:20, Isaiah 49:3). "O Jacob, and Israel, for you are my servant” Isaiah 44:21 God "has redeemed his servant Jacob!” Isaiah 48:20 "O Jacob my servant, Israel whom I have chosen!” Isaiah 44:1 “You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.” Isaiah 49:3 "my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I called you by your name, I name you” Isaiah 45:4 “You are my servant, I have chosen you and not cast you off.” ~ Isaiah 41:9 These are crystal clear statements from God Almighty that gives everyone a direct, very clear reference as to who the suffering servant actually is. Please remember - God always names His servants! In the Hebrew Scriptures, there were originally no chapter breaks. If you read the text unabridged, then it would be more simple for readers to understand the correct narrative. The Christian Roman Catholic and Christian protestant church religion attempt to teach you their mysterious, un-named servant and that this is a clear reference to Jesus. God identifies His servants by name. The suffering servant in Isaiah 53 is not named, because God already names His servant many times in the passages leading up to Isaiah 53. Additionally, Isaiah 53 is the main passage the Christian Church hangs their prophetic understanding of Jesus on. If the writers of the new testament thought Isaiah 53 was a clear reference to Jesus, then why wasn’t Isaiah 53 quoted at length or by passage all over the place?? We see the servant quoted by name extensively in Isaiah. It's just so clear.
I think the paradoxes seen in Isaiah 53 are just so beautiful. So like God to say things like this: ... Who shall declare his generation? For he was cut off out of the land of the living ... he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days ... ... He made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death ... So, whomever is being spoken of here would (1) have no children, and yet have children; (2) be brought to the grave as a wicked person, and yet laid in the grave of the rich. Who else could this be speaking of except for our Jesus? And if this is referring to a general group of martyrs, how do these great details apply to do many people? And if this is all hyperbolic language, does not that take away from the uniqueness of the message? Why, then, would Isaiah say that this prophecy is something that people "had not [before] heard" and will have to "consider" (Isaiah 52:15), and what would cause Isaiah to ask who would believe the report if it's just hyperbolic language which could apply to any martyrs?
+ASKDrBrown Thank you my brother in Christ Jesus. I only came across your excellent work in a debate in which you sided with Dr James White, only last night too. I thank the Lord for showing you both to me. I had known a little of Dr White before that, but never really took much interest in his work, until I seen you both destroy the unitarians arguments in that debate. I love Dr White as well, my ONLY problem with him is how he is so easily offended by what other people think and say, especially about other so called "religions", if he could learn to overcome that and work with others as well, he'd be an unstoppable force against these heretics and their silly claims. Other than that, he's an amazing apologist, as are you yourself. Thank you, and God bless you brother.
@@Majobri nahh its not speaking about israel many jews know that Herz Homberg (18th-19th c.) The fact is, that it refers to the King Messiah, who will come in the latter days, when it will be the Lord's good pleasure to redeem Israel from among the different nations of the earth.....Whatever he underwent was in consequence of their own transgression, the Lord having chosen him to be a trespass-offering, like the scape-goat which bore all the iniquities of the house of Israel.21 21. Driver and Neubauer, p. 400-401 The musaf (additional) service for the Day of Atonement, Philips machzor (20th c.) Our righteous anointed is departed from us: horror hath seized us, and we have non to justify us. He hath borne the yoke of our iniquities, and our transgression, and is wounded because of our transgression. He beareth our sins on his shoulder, that he may find pardon for our iniquities. We shall be healed by his wound, at the time that the Eternal will create him (the Messiah) as a new creature. O bring him up from the circle of the earth. Raise him up from Seir, to assemble us the second time on Mount Lebanon, by the hand of Yinnon.22 22. A. Th. Philips, Machzor Leyom Kippur / Prayer Book for the Day of Atonement with English Translation; Revised and Enlarged Edition (New York: Hebrew Publishing Company, 1931), p. 239. The passage can also be found in, e.g., the 1937 edition. Also, Driver and Neubauer, p. 399
Brothers and sisters Pray for Asher meza so that God may enlighten the eyes of his understanding,that God may open his heart to understand the scriptures and embrace Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.
The Messiah has to be from the line of David. He had to come from Christ era. He couldn't possibly come now, because it would be, absolutely impossible to prove that your from the " line of David" because the temples been destroyed. Thats where the records were kept . As a nation, the people of Israel, while desiring the advent of the Messiah, were so far separated from God in heart and life that they could have no true conception of the character or mission of the promised Redeemer. Instead of desiring redemption from sin, and the glory and peace of holiness, their hearts were fixed upon deliverance from their national foes, and restoration to worldly power. They looked for Messiah to come as a conqueror, to break every yoke, and exalt Israel to dominion over all nations. Thus Satan had succeeded in preparing the hearts of the people to reject the Saviour when He should appear. Their own pride of heart, and their false conceptions of His character and mission, would prevent them from honestly weighing the evidences of His Messiahship. For more than a thousand years the Jewish people had waited the coming of the promised Saviour. Their brightest hopes had rested upon this event. For a thousand years, in song and prophecy, in temple rite and household prayer, His name had been enshrined; and yet when He came, they did not recognize Him as the Messiah for whom they had so long waited. "He came unto His own, and His own received Him not." John 1:11. To their world-loving hearts the Beloved of heaven was "as a root out of a dry ground." In their eyes He had "no form nor comeliness;" they discerned in Him no beauty that they should desire Him. Isaiah 53:2.
Please do some research. Asher Meza IS NOT A JEW. He is a Colombian guy who pretends to be a Jew Rabbi. His mother was and is a gentile (not Jew). He tried to initiate his Synagogue in Ecuador (south of Colombia) and it was a total failure. Asher Meza is not even considered as a Rabbi by most Jews. Asher Meza is a fake.
Shalom corovan Lopez, with respect to you and your beliefs how could you make such a statement? You mentioned to pray for Asher for him to receive enlightenment and understand scripture. Rabbi Meza may be misconstrued as being unlearned according to a Christian perspective but make no mistake, He is very knowledgeable and very wise. In order to become a rabbi much study must be done for several years. The rabbi i study under took 8hours of study everyday for 5 years. Not just anyone can do that. It requires very much dedication, and just because he doesnt subscribe to the christian faith doesn't mean he is under a veil. He understands the Torah as many of us do at face value. יחוח gave us His Torah and instructed Israel not to have any other gods. That is exactly what we are doing. Shalom to you and your family.
No offense to Meza but he's unprepared for this. Brown is cherry picking the Isaiah 53 reference and shoe horning it to fit Christian doctrine - as all Christians do. The suffering servant is clear if you simply read the preceding chapters. Isaiah 44;1 But now hear, O Jacob my servant , Israel whom I have chosen! Isaiah 44;21 Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel, for you are my servant ; I formed you; you are my servant; O Israel, you will not be forgotten by me. Isaiah 45;4 For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I called you by your name, I name you, though you do not know me. Isaiah 48;20 Go out from Babylon, flee from Chaldea, declare this with a shout of joy, proclaim it, send it out to the end of the earth; say, “The Lord has redeemed his servant Jacob!” Isaiah 49;3 And he said to me, “You are my servant , Israel, in whom I will be glorified.”
@@allopez8563 I think there's a problem when considering the exaltation, as was stated. From the beginning, R. Meza's approach and view of the text was a unique one.
@@NoRushpk The Jews have no religion without the Temple, and they are not looking to rebuild the Temple because it would convict them of their sins. They are a lost people.
Good job Dr. Brown, you made your points very clear, while its nice you have these discussions and important as well, it must be frustrating when folks dance around direct questions, its like trying to nail jello to the wall, nothing seems to stick, hopefully the Rabbi will consider the text in quiet time honestly instead of dancing around the truth trying to win a losing argument or maybe its a case of the truth could cost him his position so he does not want to hear it.
The day our Lord died for us , was the day the Heavens were created for the Spirits of his people. We were Born Again under his Mercy and Love from him and his Father. This was the start of a day of Truth and the Life of the souls of his Children. All Glory to Jesus who sits on the Right hand of the Father. Peace to his people on Earth and in the Heavens above. Home is in the Heavens with our Shepard Jesus Christ our Father.
Rabbi Asher sounds like a really nice reasonable bloke, nor aggressive. However he sounds like he doesn't like where his arguments would logically take him! Dr. Mike Brown I praise the Lord that you are so gracious!
He came to his own and his own received him not. Having eyes to see, they do not see, having EARS to hear, they do not hear. Little do the Jewish people know that most of them will not obtain eternal life because they refuse to receive their Messiah, Yeshua. They should be witnessing to the nation's not the other way around. Most of them have failed, but not all. Many are believing in the Messiah.
This is a perfect example of the power of a "good relationship". Rabbi Meza and Dr. Brown have a well established friendly relationship. The discussion flowed well without lots of interruptions as we've seen with other Rabbi's or orthodox Jews. We need to listen, and trust that God will get our point across after we listen.
Psalm 45:1-7 45 My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer. 2 Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever. 3 Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty. 4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things. 5 Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee. 6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Proverbs 30:4 4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? Isaiah 45:11 11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. Psalm 110:1 110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Jeremiah 23:3-5 3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. 4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the Lord. 5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. Isaiah 7:14 14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Psalm 22:16 16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. Isaiah 53 53 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
This dude just does not care about the truth. He can't answer simple questions to save his life and always tries to confuse the point lol. He argued like a Muslim.
Excellent conversation, kudos to Rabbi Asher for being so open minded and cordial. Regardless, it seems evident that Issiah 53 can’t just be about all the prophets, as not all the prophets died, where burried in a rich man’s tomb, said no lies, and weren’t violent as Issiah 53 describes. And most importantly, in Issiah 52 it states “Isaiah 52:15 [15] so shall he sprinkle *many nations*. This evidently can’t be about all the prophets and or a pure remnant as there isn’t global attestation to them, except for one individual…Yeshua ben Yosef the eternal Word of God who became flesh
What I see in many is their hesitancy to honestly debate the possibility that Jesus could really be the Messiah/Chosen One because of fear of rejection by family, friends or community. But who we must fear more is the rejection of God. “Fear of man will prove to be a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD is kept safe.” Proverbs 29:25
I agree with the Dr , its all in the singular and if it was meant to speak of prophets in general then it wouldnt give specifics about His death, resurrection and being exalted above the angels
'"This was to fulfil the word of Isaiah the prophet: " Lord, who Has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed. For this reason they could not believe, because as Isaiah says elsewhere: " He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn - and I would heal them." (John 12:38-40)
When a person gets defensive and angry , usually they are wrong. This is how i react when i know i am being schooled. I hate it just as much as this Rabbi hates it.
No other individual death was seen as something that healed the people. sampson died and killed alot of phillistines but he didnt suffer because of others sins he suffered because of his own
Lance Lewis Yes, and not every messenger as the rabbi characterized, was persecuted by the evil people he was sent to. Jonah went to Nineveh and to his shock and horror they just repented!
Successful Longlife Samson ate honey from a bees hive in a dead lion carcass, as a Nazarite (vowed) he was not to touch anything dead also not to drink wine but was in the vineyard, there are other examples, sin is disobedience
@@successfullonglife674 was it not that he wanted a wife from among the Philistines, a non-believer, when the Israelites were commanded to marry another believer?
The Rabbi's stand, where the suffering servant is an ambiguous plural group (of messengers & prophets, possibly including Jesus as well) feels like "spiritualizing" a topic. The whole context of that section of Isaiah clearly speaks to the singular one, who would be high and lifted up. It sounded like the Rabbi's rebuttal to this is that the rewards for the messengers and prophets (on the other side of death) would be reflective of this "high and lifted up" simply because we don't know what those rewards are explicitly. I've had many conversations with people who read a verse and refuse to (or are blind to) see it for what it is saying, grammatically and contextually, so this doesn't surprise me. That being said, I'm curious if Rabbi Asher Meza were to "play it forward," on the opposing argument, whether seeing how precisely Jesus fulfills those verses exactly, and goes on to exactly fit so many others, if that the Rabbi might reconsider his view that Isaiah 53 is pluralistic & spiritualized? God bless you both. Rabbi Asher Meza, you are an incredible scholar and knowledgeable teacher and have much to offer the world with regard to the things of God. I just hope pray that the Lord would open your eyes to show you just how perfectly you Messiah has met the Spirit-infused scripture and loves you so that you can tie it all together.
Yes. I'd say Psalm 22 puts your face right next to Jesus as hes dying. I've shown so many non religious people Psalm 22 not giving any context, just to read it. EVERY SINGLE PERSON said they know its talking about Jesus. Its amazing!
@@nb3500 really explain to me when this happened to King David They pierced My hands and My feet; 17 I can count all My bones. They look and stare at Me. 18 They divide My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots This we know happened to Jesus. How dose this explain David's situation We know that it is a psalm of David but it is not about David
when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: 5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. 7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: 8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. 9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. 10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Greetings Dr Brown The Suffering Servant in Isaiah ch. 42, 49, 50, 52, 53, is both the nation Israel, the Jews, and also the personified Israel in their King Jehoshua son of Joseph, the "one for the pasha" see Gen 30:22-24, and Gen ch 27:9 in Targum ben Uzziel. The key to understand this, is in the Yom Kippur ceremony in Leviticus ch16. Understanding the typology of the two kids of the goat, and the ram in Lev 16:5 is the key. Typology of the two kids of the goat and the ram is derived from Gen ch 27, the story of the blessing of Jacob by Isaac. In Gen 27, Esau is born hairy/saw-eer, and Jacob in order to get the blessing from Isaac must become become hairy/saw-eer and is told to depart to Laban, Jacob becomes saw-eer aza-zel, that is goat of departurue, or scapegoat. Hebrew word saw-eer means hairy or goat and is used in Lev 16:5, the ram represents Isaac, as in Gen 22:13. Hebrew word aza-zel also means "strong one agaist God", or "God fighter", and is simmilar to the meaning of the name "Israel" the name given to Jacob in Gen 32:28 In the Yom Kippur ceremony we have represented Esau/Christians, Jacob/Jews, and Isaac/Jehoshua son of Joseph. The "common era, or Christian era" is a global Day of Attonment with one "saw-eer" sacrificed "for the pasha", and the other a scapegoat for the sins of humanity.
@A. David Ever Greetings David, theology is very interesting, it is insight into the will of God in the affairs of men. Yom Kippur, is the Day of Reconciliation between members of Biblical family of the Messiah, Christians and Jews are His childeren. Embedded in the Ten Commandments there is a promise, the promise of Rest, Shabbat. All promises in the Bible are about the Messiah, and the Messiah is about Rest, Shabbat. In the Christian part of the Bible we have: "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." (Mat 11:28-30)
So the nation Israel did no violence, neither was deceit found in his mouth? (53:9) Aren't you forcing your theological perspective onto the text, that speaks in clear terms of one individual? ("he", "him", "his", "a man") by what rule of biblical interpretation do you disqualify the clear reading of the text, in favor of a metaphor?
@@clayjo791 The one and only promise of the Bible is to bring into the world the Messiah and His Shabbat, i do not disqualify the Messiah as the only fulfillment of all prophecies, that is all promises. First promise is in Genesis 3:15, "the seed of the women", preparatory fulfillment of this promise was the birth of Isaac and his twin sons Esau and Jacob. Global Day of Atonement was on Golgotha, notice that on either side of the Messiah we have two sinners, it is a triune sacrifice for the sins of the world, the two sinners on either side of the Messiah represent, the Christian Church, and the Jewish nation. Same as in the Day of Atonement in Lev 16:5 we have a triune sacrifice, so on Golgotha we have triune sacrifice for the sins of the world, all three represent the One Messiah.
Prayer and fasting for this time of witness because no amount of witness will change them unless God opens their eyes, however, we must still try for God may just do that and thank you Dr Brown for your patience and love in witnessing! Romans 11:25-26 KJV For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. [26] And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Isaiah 52:10 The Lord has [c]MADE BARE (all to see) HIS HOLY ARM In the eyes of all the nations; And all the ends of the earth shall see The salvation of our God. WHAT PROPHET IS IDENTIFIED AS ARM OF THE LIVING GOD? Isaiah 53:1 Who has believed our report? And to whom has the ARM OF THE LORD been revealed? Isaiah 59:16 He saw that there was no man, And wondered that there was no intercessor;Therefore HIS OWN ARM BROUGHT SALVATION FOR HIM; And His own righteousness, it sustained Him.
John 14:13 Jesus declares,"If you ask anything in My name, I will do it." Remember when Jesus taught us to pray in Matthew 6:6-15; He said,"pray to your Father." So here, clearly Jesus is telling us that if we pray to the Father and ask anything in His name, "He will do it" - this describes Jesus as the Arm of the Lord. He is the One who gets things done, the One who executes, fixes, and brings to pass. The Arm of the Lord refers to Lord's strength and ability to accomplish whatever He chooses to do. In the other words, Jesus as the Arm of the Lord signifies His Omnipotent and proactive nature. John 1:3 says, "All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made."
Arm of the Lord is identified in another Isaiah verse as a Divine being. It's Christ Jesus...... No contest. The poor blind jews will soon see their hideous blunder, of blunders.
When God's written word was given through the Hebrew prophets, Satan studied with diligence the messages concerning the Messiah. Carefully he traced the words that outlined with unmistakable clearness Christ's work among men as a suffering sacrifice and as a conquering king. In the parchment rolls of the Old Testament Scriptures he read that the One who was to appear was to be "brought as a lamb to the slaughter," "His visage . . . so marred more than any man, and His form more than the sons of men." Isaiah 53:7; 52:14. The promised Saviour of humanity was to be "despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; . . . smitten of God, and afflicted;" yet He was also to exercise His mighty power in order to "judge the poor of the people." He was to "save the children of the needy," and "break in pieces the oppressor." Isaiah 53:3, 4; Psalm 72:4. These prophecies caused Satan to fear and tremble; yet he relinquished not his purpose to thwart, if possible, the merciful provisions of Jehovah for the redemption of the lost race. He determined to blind the eyes of the people, so far as might be possible, to the real significance of the Messianic prophecies.
I wish Rabbi Tovia Singer would debate more. He gives strong answers and convinces so many of his Jewish followers but he has rarely allowed his views to be held up to scrutiny by those in the know. He did debate Michael Brown in the 90s and has point blank refused to debate him since which, to my mind, says a lot.
Isaiah 57:15 15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I DWELL IN THE HIGH AND HOLY PLACE, WITH HIM ALSO THAT IS OF A CONTRITE AND HUMBLE SPIRIT, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite one. Zechariah 2:8-13 8 For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye. 9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me. 10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord. 11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee. 12 And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. 13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the Lord: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation. Daniel 9:24-25 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Isaiah 48:12-16 12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. 13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. 14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans. 15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous. 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. Isaiah 50:2-7 2 Wherefore, when I came, was there no man? when I called, was there none to answer? Is my hand shortened at all, that it cannot redeem? or have I no power to deliver? behold, at my rebuke I dry up the sea, I make the rivers a wilderness: their fish stinketh, because there is no water, and dieth for thirst. 3 I clothe the heavens with blackness, and I make sackcloth their covering. 4 The Lord God hath given me the tongue of the learned, that I should know how to speak a word in season to him that is weary: he wakeneth morning by morning, he wakeneth mine ear to hear as the learned. 5 The Lord God hath opened mine ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back. 6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting. 7 For the Lord God will help me; therefore shall I not be confounded: therefore have I set my face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be ashamed. Isaiah 49:1-6 49 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. 2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; 3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified. 4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the Lord, and my work with my God. 5 And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength. 6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. Isaiah 9:6-7 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. Psalm 40:5-7 5 Many, O Lord my God, are thy wonderful works which thou hast done, and thy thoughts which are to us-ward: they cannot be reckoned up in order unto thee: if I would declare and speak of them, they are more than can be numbered. 6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, Micah 5:1-3 5 Now gather thyself in troops, O daughter of troops: he hath laid siege against us: they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek. 2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. 3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. Psalm 78:35 35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.
When you say Isiah 53 out loud without telling anyone who it is about or where it comes from. The people familiar with Jesus will KNOW it's Jesus and will say " That is from the new testament", and the people who do not believe Jesus is the messiah will say " I don't believe in the New testament, why are you reading from that? " . Then you tell them it is Isiah. LOVE doing that. Just reading this you KNOW unless taught the wrong way, you KNOW it is Jesus because of its incredible detail!!
that is not a smart response... it's only for people that are not knowledgeable about their faith.... you know jews that are jews but aren't really religious because they don't study... sort of like people who claims to believe in jesus but and wear a cross but in reality they just claim christianity because the fear of hell..... have you actually tried speaking this outloud to a jew at all and see what the response was?
I see the 'rabbi' making some assumptions which are not in the text. For example, he talks about prophets in Isaiah 53 when the text doesn't say so. He says it doesn't refer to one person when the text says 'My servant' and NOT 'servants'. Again, the text does not say 'his seeds' but the rabbi keeps saying his seeds. He also mentions Jeremiah but Jeremiah didn't suffer for his people. He seems to be arguing like a muslim
Why don't you let the guy finish his thoughts? Why do you interrupt every time? Why ask a question if you only wish to hear your own voice inturrupting? You keep making the same point because you don't let the man finish his thought. I'm new to the faith and all I got out of this is that if you don't believe in someone's opinion, you must interrupt them as often as possible and not let them complete a thought, then move on to a new subject.
I don't know Dr. Brown if you read these comments, considering this video is already old from 2017. I just want to say you could have gone further, at the end of the discussion reading what it's written in Deut 18, 18 where YEHOVAH Himself tells Moses "נביא אקים להם מקרב אחיהם כמוך ונתתי דברי בפיו ודבר אליהם את כל אשר אצונו והיה האיש אשר לא ישמע אל דברי אשר ידבר בשמי אנכי מעמו אדרש, this is completely destroying Rabbi Meza of his theory about every suffering prophet as his explanation on Isaiah 53
The problem is that he has rejected the Messiah and therefore a spirit of confusion has him bound. The Father is the only one who can open his eyes and bring clarity of truth back to him.
Shalom, Rabbi Meza and Mr. Brown. With all due respect, you both are mistaken in the point of "Who is speaking" in Isaiah 53:1-9. To understand Isaiah 53, one should start in Isaiah 52-13. The subject speaking in the beginning of Isaiah 53 are the "kings of the nations" who will have their mouths opened of astonishment upon seeing Israel (the smallest amongst the powerful nations) raised and exalted. The kings of nations that had Israel captive are saying among themselves : "because of the transgressions of my people he was afflicted". The Midrash does not mention anything about the Messiah in Isaiah 53. This is wrong! What is said is that "My Servant" (EXPLICITLY DESCRIBED AS BEING ISRAEL SEVERAL TIMES BY ISAIAH) will be raised higher than Moses, higher than the angels, higher than the prophets of Israel. Know that according to ANY RABBINICAL COMMENTARY the "MY SERVANT" TERM USED IN ISAIAH 41-53 IS ISRAEL, AS IT IS WRITTEN EXPLICITLY IN THE TEXT OF ISAIAH. The term "MY SERVANT" does not change from Isaiah 41 through Isaiah 53, it refers always to ISRAEL. Rabbi Meza is right about the word "Messiah" does not appear NOT EVEN ONCE IN THE WHOLE TANAKH referring to the figure of the Messiah of the Jewish people. ALL the verses where the word "mashiach" appear in the Tanakh refer to a specific "anointed" person, not to the Messiah himself. NONE of the Messianic verses in the Tanakh mention the word "ha'mashiach" anywhere, but rather talks about how the world will be transformed. Mr. Brown, the last Messianic chapters of the Prophet Ezekiel clearly tell us that the Messiah will have children himself, and also will bring sacrifice offers to the Temple (the third temple) for his own unintentional sins. In Isaiah 53:11 the text says clearly that "My servant, the righteous one, by his KNOWLEDGE (NOT by his blood) SHALL CAUSE MANY TO BE JUST (many people of the nations will be just)". Shouldn't Isaiah have written "by HIS BLOOD My servant, the righteous one, shall cause many to be just" ??? ISRAEL is mentioned in the Tanakh in different ways, as individual, as a "man" (by Isaiah), as a "child" (by Hosea), as a "G-d' first born son" (by Moshe Rabeinu, in Exodus), as a "son of G-d" (by Hosea), as a "nation of priests" (by Moshe, in Exodus), as the "worm of Jacob", etc. despite all these terms are the singular, they refer to the People Israel as a group. Exodus 4:22 "22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh: Thus saith the LORD: Israel is My son, My first-born." Hosea 11:1 "1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and out of Egypt I called My son." Isiah 43 "10 Ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He; before Me there was no God formed, neither shall any be after Me." Pay close attention to G-d speaking to Israel "You are My WITNESSES, saith the LORD, AND MY SERVANT WHO, I HAVE CHOSEN". "My servant" is a singular term, but it referes to "My WITNESSES" in the plural... so, if you still have any doubt about the singular "My servant" described explicitly by the prophet Isaiah actually refers to a plural "My WITNESSES" (the people Israel), then I don't know what world you live in, Mr. Brown. Oh, wait, there's more if you are still in doubt about "My servant" referring to Israel. Isaiah 44:21 "21 Remember these things, O Jacob, and ISRAEL, FOR THOU ART MY SERVANT; I HAVE FORMED THEE, THOU ART MINE OWN SERVANT, O ISRAEL, thou shouldest not forget Me. And Isaiah repeats this definition of "My servant" all way through chapter 53. DO CHRISTIANS REALLY FEAR G-D??? If they did, they would NEVER DARE TO interpolate Jesus in the middle of Isaiah, knowing that Isaiah DEFINES EXPLICITLY OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT "MY SERVANT" IS ISRAEL. With all due respect, it is not even a matter of interpretation, as the term "My servant" is EXPLICITLY IDENTIFIED SEVERAL TIMES AS BEING ISRAEL. It is a matter of CLEAR REJECTION of the text of Isaiah by the Christians, who do want the chapter 53 of Isaiah to be changed only to support their idolatrous ideology. Convert yourselves to THE ONLY ONE G-D OF ISRAEL, STOP WORSHIPING IDOLS!!! NO MAN, NOR ANY IMAGE OF MAN SHOULD BE WORSHIPED BY ANYBODY WHO FEARS THE G-D OF ISRAEL. Shalom aleichem! 🇮🇱
P C “So I will set up One Shepherd over them, My servant David-He will tend them, He will feed them Himself and be their shepherd. I, ADONAI, will be their God, and My servant David will be Prince among them. I, ADONAI, have spoken.” Ezekiel 34:23-24 TLV “As a result of the anguish of His soul He will see it and be satisfied by His knowledge. The Righteous One, My Servant will make many righteous and He will bear their iniquities. Therefore I will give Him a portion with the great, and He will divide the spoil with the mighty- because He poured out His soul to death, and was counted with transgressors. For He bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors.” Isaiah 53:11-12 TLV God doesn’t please to punish Israel.
Ezekiel 34:12 , it is very interesting the fact that you mixed truly Messianic verses (Ezekiel 34:23-24) with verses that report what will happen to Israel ("My servant") in the Messianic era (Isaiah 53:11-12). Well, let's start with Ezekiel 34-23-24; these verses talk about "My servant David will be a shepherd over them", indicating that the Messiah will be a direct descendant from king David, and this fact is repeated over and over again by all the prophets of Israel. G-d promised King David that his throne will never lack a king, meaning that the one who will be king over the Jewish people and lead the Jews in the ways of G-D will descend from him (King David). The "shepherd" means simply "the leader", "the one who guides". In fact, the verse 34:24 mentions exactly the word "prince" (as we can read below). And this "shepherd" ("leader") will lead the Jewish people over the mountains of the Land Israel, where they will inhabit in COMPLETE PEACE (thing that hasn't happened). Indeed, after the first century C.E. (period of the Jesus) the Jewish people was expelled to the long exile in the four corners of the world, and have been suffering ALL KINDS OF ATROCITIES by the nations. Theses verses of Ezekiel are truly talking about the Messiah, who has not yet arrived, as you and everybody else know that the Jewish people are still spread around the world and not ALL living peacefully in the mountains of Israel, as this chapter of Ezekiel mentions. Ezekiel 34:24-28 24 And I the LORD will be their God, and My servant David prince among them; I the LORD have spoken. 25 And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause evil beasts to cease out of the land; and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods. 26 And I will make them and the places round about My hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in its season; there shall be showers of blessing. 27 And the tree of the field shall yield its fruit, and the earth shall yield her produce, and they shall be safe in their land; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bars of their yoke, and have delivered them out of the hand of those that made bondmen of them. 👉 28 And they shall no more be a prey to the nations, neither shall the beast of the earth devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid. Oops, read very carefully this verse of Ezekiel 34:28. The Holocaust, when over 6 MILLION JEWS were brutally killed in one go by the nations, happened just less than 80 years ago. But didn't G-D say (through the prophet Ezekiel) that when the Messiah is in the world, the people Israel (the Jewish people) "SHALL NO MORE BE A PREY TO THE NATIONS, NEITHER SHALL THE BEAST OF THE EARTH DEVOUR THEM" ??? How could Jesus possibly be the Jewish Messiah mentioned by the prophet Ezekiel in this chapter that you pointed out yourself?? This chapter of Ezekiel proves exactly the point that Jesus is DEFINITELY NOT the Jewish Messiah. Now, let's just get the correct translation of your verses of Isaiah 53:11-12, because the one you proposed is COMPLETELY WRONG. Isaiah 53-11-12 יא מֵעֲמַל נַפְשׁוֹ, יִרְאֶה יִשְׂבָּע ,בְּדַעְתּוֹ יַצְדִּיק צַדִּיק עַבְדִּי, לָרַבִּים; וַעֲונֹתָם, הוּא יִסְבֹּל. 11 Of the travail of his soul he shall see to the full, even My servant, by his knowledge DID justify the Righteous One to the many, and their iniquities he DID bear. יב לָכֵן אֲחַלֶּק-לוֹ בָרַבִּים, וְאֶת-עֲצוּמִים יְחַלֵּק שָׁלָל, תַּחַת אֲשֶׁר הֶעֱרָה לַמָּוֶת נַפְשׁוֹ, וְאֶת-פֹּשְׁעִים נִמְנָה; וְהוּא חֵטְא-רַבִּים נָשָׂא, וְלַפֹּשְׁעִים יַפְגִּיעַ. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion among the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty; because he bared his soul unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Isaiah is narrating the trajectory of Israel from chapter 41 through 53. Israel (the righteous ones) is defined explicitly several times as "My servant" from chapters 41 through 53, and talks prophetically about their exile in Babylon. The righteous "Jews" were exiled in Babylon together with the wicked "Jews" for over 70 years due to the transgressions of the wicked ones amongst them. And all that generation that went to Babylon died in Babylon, and never returned to Jerusalem. Even the righteous "Jews" were buried together with the transgressors in Babylon ("because he bared his soul unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors"). There was no punishment of the righteous with death whatsoever. This is an idea invented by ignorant Christianity of first centuries C.E. that has lasted until today. The righteous was carried away to Babylon together with the transgressors to instill the good ways of G-d among the people Israel. The righteous ones should bring back the ones astray. The purpose of G-d allowing the righteous ones ("My servant") to be sent to the exile was rather a support and example to the wicked ones. Only when they all together realized that ONLY ONE way of justice existed (the way of G-D of Israel), they were allowed to return to Jerusalem to rebuild the Temple and the city destroyed by Nabuchadnaser. But the generation that returned was born in Babylon, it was not the same who went unto the exile. That generation who went unto the exile in Babylon (righteous ones and wicked ones) died and was buried in Babylon. I hope you read the texts in context, for a text without context is just a pretext. Shalom!! 🇮🇱
GM P , it is not worth it debating with people who REJECT explicit passages of the Tanakh. Mr. Brown knows the truth himself, but he convinces people otherwise because of his personal gain by doing so. He is not that stupid of a man to not see the truth. Even my 8 year-old niece reads the Bible and understands clearly that the term "My Servant" is used for Israel, because it is said explicitly by the Prophet Isaiah. This is about basic text reading skills, which the Christians seem to lack. Mr. Brown is a deceitful man and he will have to present before HaShem's court one day and explain himself. He can fool men, but not The Eternal. Shalom, Shalom!
GM P, of course it is worth it explaining the misconception that Christianity created around the Hebrew Scripture... there are a lot of people who need clarification, and I'm happy if I can help. However, debating with someone like Mr. Brown, who knows the truth and still wants to fool people and himself, is completely pointless.
GM P, your tactic sounds ingenuous, but you know what you are trying to do... I was not born yesterday. You know Mr. Brown's perspective and you also know every single point that I've explained clearly in details. No need to debate anyone. This is not a competition; this is a matter of you deciding to accept either G-d's words or Paul's words. New Testament is opposite to Tanakh. If you know in your heart what is true, you should know where to go. You are absolutely right: you won't force me or anyone to do something so ridiculous such as debating somebody so discredited like Mr. Brown. Stay out of trouble. Shalom
The Servant song of Isaiah 53 parallels II Kings in parts concerning King Hezekiah . There are some who suggest that King Hezekiah suffered of the pigment distorting disease of old world leprosy as well. This narrative is the Kings and leaders that surrounded Judah during the stand down. Imagine the handful of survivors that told the tale of the Assyrian army completely devastated in this miraculous turn of events. Who would believe our report?
Rabbi Asher Meza knows that Jews stopped talking Torah, to Christians, a long time ago; because of the J.C. conflict of interest. Now I propose to reveal for the first time, that which has never been discussed, which is the only explanation to the Chapter and verses discussed here. There were 12 tribes in Israel, but the house became divided, and as a result impossible to stand, or stave off an Assyrian assault, going in and taking the 10 tribes of Israel to Assyria. This Chapter explained by the 10 tribes, bares their own guilt, caused by their idolatrous behavior, which caused wars and then abandonment. The Gentiles have had their way with Judah and Benjamin, since then; as these two tribes were downtrodden for 2300 years; and mistakenly blamed for and by the 10 tribes. This took in the blame that Judah(now called Jews, had killed their pascal lamb. When in fact this chapter tells the truth about a plural group, in singular fashion; as none other than the ones who God saved and sent to Babylon for safe keeping, for their sin of not keeping the 7th year smittah. Isaiah is talking about sinful Israel; reveals the fact Judah was saved, when the Assyrians attacked. Lastly how all honor and glory goes to Judah/Benjamin as the holy one of Israel, that 10 men of the tribe/nations would come to take hold of to learn Judaism. And this my friends will rejoin the stick of Israel to Judah, and not the fictitious, idolatrous religion of Christianity. What were you never told which will hurl you through time and space??? That the 10 tribes of Israel were never lost, but were the known to Judah in Jerusalem as across the Euphrates river, which sent the caravan for their king Jesus story. Israel known as Parthia, never told to you, existed and was a nemesis to Rome in that day. Stay to the Torah, and don't let Dr. Brown bamboozle you!!! Shalom
Theres merit to the Rabbi's interpretation. But the unity of the songs, the unique status, and the absolutely archetypal way in which Jesus fits these passages leaves very little room for doubt this is a stunning messianic prophecy.
Christians don’t claim Isaiah 53 talks about The LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Torah itself states Isaiah 53 refers to JESUS CHRIST our Lord and Savior GOD said he will blind the Jews until they recognized him who they pierced, but how blind can you be to deny the obvios and most logical interpretation of Isaiah 53 is beyond my understanding, but GOD has the answer for it
That apparently only applies to some as many Jews are coming to Christ, however you’re right the vail will be removed once the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, or something like that anyways Amen. And yeah you’re right this attempt on the other guys part is pathetic.
Rabbi Meza's interpretation of Isaiah 53 is actually something I've been entertaining for some time lately. I would take it a few different ways, however. I wouldn't say it is just the prophets and martyrs of the Jews, but the prophets and martyrs of the world. I would include Martin Luther King Jr., Socrates, Gandhi, and others as well. Many of the Righteous Among the Nations would be on this list. Whenever society becomes corrupted, God sends a messenger to warn them of their ways. But more often than not, the world hates those who call out their evil. But the evil needs to be called out because it leads the society to destruction if they do not repent. Perhaps the society will turn back after they are appalled by their evil, and how they treated the prophet who warned them (They will look on the one whom they have pierced). They will then turn from their sin in shame, thus their society will be saved (By his stripes we are healed). Other times they will not turn back and their society will be destroyed. Then the history books will recall the wisdom of the prophet and contrast it with the folly of the people (Therefore I will give him a portion among the great). Even with this interpretation, it is far from getting Jesus off the hook of being the subject of Isaiah 53. Rabbi Meza confirmed this, that Jesus would count in his interpretation. Even Jewish literature talks about the evil of the generation of Jesus' time, so the people were ripe for a prophet, and the very messages Jesus taught are exactly the kind that addressed the people's evil, -the rich pharisees exploiting the poor and acting righteous on the outside. But it cannot suffice to say that Jesus was only a prophet like Isaiah. He claimed to be God (or else his followers claimed him to be). If Jesus was not God, he is either a heretic, or his message got terribly corrupted. And since it seems his followers were genuinely convinced he did rise from the dead, then we must say his message was corrupted by God himself. So we cannot say Jesus was a mere prophet. Instead, I would take it a step further: not only is Jesus one among the many prophets Isaiah 53 is about, but he is the gold-standard. The archetype itself points to Jesus as the ultimate prophet.
Ahhh so we need to read the hebrew in order to understand this. Because God has no way to reach out to the world in their own language. This is what happens when you stop listening to the spirit of God.
@A. David Ever I see nothing wrong with going back to Hebrew and greek but to say that the spirit of GOD cannot reveal truth to any man in any language is crazy.
2 Corinthians 3:14 King James Version (KJV) 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
Dr. Brown is amazingly insightful and Rabbi Meza is a polite and a seemingly good man. I agree wholeheartedly with Dr. Brown even though I felt that he interupts Rabbi Meza too often. Perhaps that is common in Jewish debates (I don't know), and he did give the Rabbi a chance to get his points accross especially at the end.
I’m greatly honoured Dr Browns cause to prove that 53rd chapter of Isiah is talking about the Messiah. But it is the blinding of the Jew, which is now blessing the Gentiles. Once the day & time of Gentiles is over, this spiritual vale will be removed by Joshua himself, when he comes to deliver his people the Jew and bring them into the Kingdom.
It's good to see that what we have is a respectful debate, even in the midst of a strong disagreement. I think Dr. Brown clearly wins the argument, but unfortunately winning an argument has never closed this gap.
May ABBA FATHER YEHOVAH open the eyes of this Rabbi Meza, I pray the veil will be taken off of his eyes, the scales fall from his eyes, so he may see his own Jewish MESSIAH YESHUA, blessed be HIS HOLY NAME, with his own eyes, and be Saved....soon🙏☝️ The Rabbi contradicted himself in different occasions and the only way out of his contradictions was by saying the verses are spoken in a parabolic way, even if this chapter of Isaiah 53 is as clear as pure waters. This won't change YESHUA IS the Jewish MESSIAH spoken in Daniel chapt 9 to be cut off before the destruction of the 2nd temple.
@Noé André It's an interpretation of the face of a tortured man found on the shroud of Turin. It's a matter of individual belief or faith to say it's the face of Jesus.
Isaiah 53:1 “Who has believed our message? And to whom has the Arm Of The LORD been Revealed?” Isaiah 51:9 “Awake, awake, Arm Of The LORD, clothe Yourself With Strength! Awake As In Days Gone By, As in Generations Of Old. Was it not You Who Cut Rahab (Egypt) To Pieces, Who Pierced That Monster Through? Who Was In The Desert With The Israelites? The LORD/Holy Spirit/Angel of The LORD! Exodus 14:19-20 and Psalm 95. Isaiah 1:24-31 too long to write here. Isaiah 33:10-24 too long to write here. The LORD Almighty is who you are looking for. He does come in search of his people, but none are found. Isaiah 63:5 “I looked, but there was NO ONE TO HELP (that includes Jesus), I was appalled that NO ONE gave support; So My Own Arm Achieved Salvation for me, And My Own Wrath sustained me.” Isaiah 50:2 “When I Came, WHY WAS THERE NO ONE? When I Called, WHY WAS THERE NO ONE TO ANSWER? Was My Arm To Short To Deliver You? Do I Lack The Strength To Rescue You? By A Mere Rebuke I Dry Up The Sea, I Turn Rivers Into A Desert; Their Fish Rot For Lack Of Water and Die Of Thirst.” I encourage you to read all the chapter. Keep in mind that the LORD Almighty is Speaking and the Sovereign LORD (Consciousness) is outside of all creation, thus knowing all things and controlling all events. In other words: the LORD Almighty’s Consciousness is out of creation while the physical manifestation in in creation. And they talk about one another. No Jesus required and no Son of God/Father required. Actually, funny fact - the Father is the LORD Almighty who is the Redeemer, Savior and Holy one of Israel. No Jesus required.
Jesus was the Passover lamb he was inspected for three days and was found without blemish can God put his wrath on a sinless soul can God punish a righteous man Jesus laid down his life no one took it he laid it down and he raised it up not the father Jesus his own words he laid it down he brought it back up
It is clear that Isaiah 53 is referring to a specific individual, because the text is in the singular, and because from Isaiah 40 onward, this servant is described in such biographical detail that it could not possibly be applied to a group of people. Rabbi Asher also failed to account for how the language in Isaiah 53 appears to be talking about an expiatory sacrifice -- appealing to the ambiguity of the pronoun "for" can't account for all the verses which appear to talk about expiation (v 10-11: the servant is an "Offering for sin" that makes many "righteous"), or how the servant's death has a causal effect on the healing of the Israelite people. Too many of Dr. Brown's points went unanswered here, but it was a good debate from both men.
God is longsuffering as we have read in the Old Testament but this same attribute of God is found in the New Testament as well since God never changes as we read in Malachi 3:6, “For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed” but he also shows us great patience which is just another word for longsuffering. Paul is concerned that we might take God’s longsuffering for granted which is why he wrote “Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance” (Rom 2:4) because for Paul it was “for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life” (1st Tim 1:16). Peter knew a lot about longsuffering as he betrayed Jesus three times and yet wants us to “consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation-as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you” (2nd Pet 3:15) since “The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance” (2nd Pet 3:9).
At 27 minutes in Dr Brown insists that by the suffering servant's bruises or suffering isreal is healed. That did not happen when Yeshuah exited the building. The temple was destroyed, Israel has been persecuted for over 2000 years, how did Yeshuah fulfil the verse in question during this debate? I respect Dr Brown he possesses much wisdom no doubt about it and his desire to serve God but his desire to exalt Yeshuah is heavier . There are 40,000 plus denominations/sects that all have their own take on their interpretation of the bible. Has Yeshuah truly brought healing to the nations or more separation/antisemitism? There have been many wise people that have risen up in history that bring healing. In many cultures there are claims to have a "chosen one". Look at Catholicism that has many saints including the virgin Mary and millions of their followers today claim to see them and receive miracles. The only point i want to get across is there is no salvation from anyone else but יחוח, He is our healer, He is our Master, He is our protector and there is no one else with Him or beside Him. See now that I, I am He, And there is no Elohim besides Me. I put to death and I make alive. I have wounded, and I heal. And from My hand no one delivers! Deḇarim (Deuteronomy) 32:39 By the Word of יהוה the heavens were made, And all their host by the Spirit of His mouth, Gathering the waters of the sea together as a heap; Laying up the deep in storehouses. Tehillim (Psalms) 33:6-7 “You are My witnesses,” declares יהוה, “And My servant whom I have chosen, so that you know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no Ěl formed, nor after Me there is none. “I, I am יהוה, and besides Me there is no saviour. “I, I have declared and saved, and made known, and there was no foreign mighty one among you. And you are My witnesses,” declares יהוה, “that I am Ěl. “Even from the day I am He, and no one delivers out of My hand. I work, and who turns it back?” “I am יהוה, your Set-apart One, Creator of Yisra’ĕl, your Sovereign.” Yeshayah (Isaiah) 43:10-13, 15 with respect to everyone on the comment box, shalom
This is probably the bjs toon I've seen. Everyone who has accepted Christ has been healed. That Israel rejects him and therefore are not healed it their fault.
Yeshua prophecyed the war between the Jews and Romans and that the romans will destroy the temple and Judea Look matth 24 luke 21 mark 13 And he said how and in which time the believer can escape. And the history PROVE THAT THIS HAPPEND
*Isaiah 52,10* The Lord will lay bare *his holy arm* in the sight of all the nations and all the ends of the earth will see the salvation of our God. *Isaiah 53,1-2* 1 Who has believed our message and to whom has *the arm of the Lord* been revealed? 2 *He* grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. *He* had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. *Isaiah 63,5* I looked, but there was no one to help, I was appalled that no one gave support; so *my own arm* achieved salvation for me, and my own wrath sustained me. *Isaiah 53,11-12* 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and *he was numbered with the transgressors;* and he bare the sin of many, and *made intercession* for the transgressors. *Isaiah 59,16* And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that *there was no intercessor:* therefore *his arm* brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. *Luke 22,37* It is written: *‘And he was numbered with the transgressors;* and I (Jesus) tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” *Isaiah 33,2* *O Lord,* be gracious unto us; we have waited for thee: *be thou their arm* every morning, our salvation also in the time of trouble. *Isaiah 51,9* Awake, awake, put on strength, *O arm of the Lord;* awake, *as in the ancient days, in the generations of old.* Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon? *Micah 5,2* But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, *yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.* *Isaiah 40,10* Behold, the Lord God will come with strong hand, and *his arm shall rule for him:* behold, *his reward is with him, and his work before him.* *Rev. 22,12-13* 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and *my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.* 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. *Matthew 16,27* For *the Son of man* shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then *he shall reward every man according to his works.* *Psalms 98,9* Before the Lord; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity. *John 5,22* For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: *Isaiah 51,4-5* 4 Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people. 5 My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and *mine arms* shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on *mine arm* shall they trust. *Isaiah 48,12-17* 12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; *I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.* 13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. 14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and *his arm* shall be on the Chaldeans. *15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.* 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: *and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.* *17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God* which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. *Isaiah 63,1-6* 1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. 2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? 3 *I have trodden the winepress alone;* and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; *and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments,* and I will stain all my raiment. 4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come. 5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore *mine own arm* brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me. 6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth. *Rev. 19,11-16* 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. *13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.* 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: *and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.* *16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.* *Exalted, Extolled, High, Lifted up* *(Hebrew: "Ram" & "Nissa")* *Isaiah 6,1* In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, *high and exalted,* and the train of his robe filled the temple. (Ram & Nissa) *Isaiah 57,15* For thus says the One who is *high and lifted up,* who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: “I dwell in the high and holy place, and also with him who is of a contrite and lowly spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly, and to revive the heart of the contrite. (Ram & Nissa) *Isaiah 33,5* The Lord is *exalted;* for he dwelleth on *high:* he hath filled Zion with judgment and righteousness. (Ram & Nissa) *Isaiah 33,10* *Now will I rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself.* (Ram & Nissa) *Isaiah 52,10+13* 10 The Lord hath made bare *his holy arm* in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God. [...] 13 Behold, *my servant* shall deal prudently, he shall be *exalted and extolled, and be very high.* (Ram & Nissa) *Hebrew 1,3* Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, *when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high* *Psalm 110,1* The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. *Isaiah 9,6* For unto us *a child is born, unto us a son is given:* and the government shall be upon his shoulder: *and his name shall be called* Wonderful, Counsellor, *The mighty God,* The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. *Isaiah 10,20-21* 20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. 21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto *the mighty God.* *Titus 3,4* But after that the kindness and love of *God our Saviour* toward man appeared, *Titus 3,6* Which he shed on us abundantly through *Jesus Christ our Saviour;* *Isaiah 43,10-11* 10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that *I am he:* before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. *11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.* *John 8,24* I (Jesus) said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that *I am he,* ye shall die in your sins.
@@swissapologetics Isaiah 49:6 our Rabbis of blessed memory say that this servant prophesied about the downfall of babylon. But even so, Isiah 49:7 is talking about the nation of Israel so not 2 Israel, same Israel
Enoch 45 1. Parable the second, respecting these who deny the NAME of the HABITATION of the HOLY ONES, and of the Lord of spirits Enoch 46 2. He answered and said to me, This is the SON OF MAN, to whom righteousness belongs; with whom righteousness has DWELT; and who will REVEAL all the treasures of that which is concealed: for the Lord of spirits has CHOSEN HIM; and his portion has surpassed all before the Lord of spirits in everlasting uprightness Enoch 47 3. At that time I beheld the Ancient of days, while he sat upon the throne of his glory, while the book of the living was opened in his presence, and while all the powers which were above the heavens stood around and before him 4. Then were the hearts of the SAINTS full of joy, because the consummation of righteousness was arrived, the supplication of the saints heard, and the blood of the righteous appreciated by the Lord of spirits Enoch 48 6. In his presence he EXISTED, and has REVEALED to the SAINTS and to the righteous the WISDOM of the Lord of spirits; for he has preserved the lot of the righteous, because they have HATED and REJECTED this world of iniquity, and have detested all its works and ways, in the name of the Lord of spirits 11. In his presence shall they fall, and not be raised up again; nor shall there be any one to take them out of his hands, and to lift them up: for they have DENIED the LORD OF SPIRITS, and HIS MESSIAH The name of the Lord of spirits shall be blessed ...
By the way for those jews who received Him as their own, no problem for them about being raptured. But as it was in the time of Noah, those who refused Him will be left behind to sort out they salvation. Although the 144.000 will be jews already converted.
I say Isaiah 53 is speaking of the marters of Israel as in context with the previous and preceding chapters it speaks of the redemption of zion (which would be understood as the rightious of Israel) from their long exile after which they "will be lifted up and exulted very high" and "many nations will be startled and kings will shut their mouths because of him" etc. Also throughout the book of Isaiah, Israel is refferred to as the servant of the Lord. For example it says "You Israel are my servant, you whome I have called from the ends of the earth and have said unto you you are my servant." Etc.
Isaiah 53 is already fulfilled because the nations already know it = The servant is the messiah!!! 52:15 is after Isaiah 53 has been fulfilled! otherwise the verse 52,15 would be nonsense! ⚠️⚠️⚠️ How can Isaiah 52:15 enter before Isaiah 53 is fulfilled?⚠️⚠️⚠️ the nations + kings! Will close their mouth in amazement before something is even fulfilled? And before something is fulfilled, we will see something that has not yet been fulfilled! And we will understand what has not happened yet! !!Therefore, in Isaiah 53, the nations cannot speak. = The servant is the messiah!!! And Isaiah 53 is already fulfilled because the nations already know it
...😳😳😳 this guy isn't looking at his Bible. His argument makes now sense. "Prophets suffer, therefore, this is about all prophets." Dr. brown "Yeah, but Isaiah 52:13 says he is more highly exalted than anyone." "You're quoting midrash." Dr b "No, that's the Bible." "You're not allowed to quote that because we don't agree on it." What?!
While I believe in Torah and seek to obey it as much as possible, I am a Christian seeking beyond the anti-semitic doctrines handed down through ‘Gentile church fathers’. There is so much in the Tanahk that suppers Yahshua as being the Messiah of Israel and I believe Dr. Brown is more sound in his understanding this. I have a heart for the Jewish people and have been criticized as being a Jew by many Christians for my advocacy and practice of Torah in the Spirit of Messiah. I don’t believe debates are the way, however, it can meet people where they are, which seems to meet many Jews where they are. But Dr. Brown certainly handles himself in a godly way and in love. I love seeing testimonies of Jews who find Messiah as they are all looking for something beyond religion and traditions - they are looking for something real! I believe that, generally speaking, that if a Jew pursues YHWH in a way of faith rather than tradition, that Jew will find their Messiah. While I don’t want to go into a long array of supporting Scriptures, the ‘New Testament’ (which I believe is a misleading name for the B’rit Chadasha) supports Torah and so does the apostle Paul. It does reject Talmudism or man made traditions that supersede the Scriptures. The Bible, including the Messianic Writings, are verifiable in many ways and critiques from atheists, Muslims, and even Jews (while Jews seem to be the strongest critiques levied against the Messianic Writings), they are all found, in my opinion, wanting and all of the Jews I have heard try to rebut Messiah as Yahshua need to come up with abstract things to explain Yahshua away. Many Jews don’t have a problem with Yahshua, rather the problem lies with Paul. For me, I am a Bible believer seeking to following Yah in the Halacha of Messiah as best I can, empowered by the Spirit of Yah/Messiah and have had many supernatural experiences; I have been delivered from demons and have been and seen many people healed from various ailments. My life has radically changed for the better. I am a free man in Messiah! Here, no one can argue against. For me, the subjective only upholds and confirms the objective truth of Yahshua sitting on the throne, at the right hand of YHWH, making intercession for the transgressors! May the truth and love of Yah constrain us and may as many Jewish brethren seek Yah openly and by faith and come into the fullness and reality of their Jewish identity! Praise Yah that I am an Israelite now, engrafted into believing Israel, because of what Messiah did and He will come back and rule the earth! Shalom and amen!
I would like to point to Isaiah 59:16 where it talks about the LORD himself interceding and bringing salvation by *His own arm* because he did not find any who would do it. And what does 53 says? It says to whom has the *arm of the LORD* been revealed?!
Isaiah 53 is already fulfilled because the nations already know it = The servant is the messiah!!! 52:15 is after Isaiah 53 has been fulfilled! otherwise the verse 52,15 would be nonsense! ⚠️⚠️⚠️ How can Isaiah 52:15 enter before Isaiah 53 is fulfilled?⚠️⚠️⚠️ the nations + kings! Will close their mouth in amazement before something is even fulfilled? And before something is fulfilled, we will see something that has not yet been fulfilled! And we will understand what has not happened yet! !!Therefore, in Isaiah 53, the nations cannot speak. = The servant is the messiah!!! And Isaiah 53 is already fulfilled because the nations already know it
Jesus is the Messiah! Isaiah 52:15 is after Isaiah 53 has been fulfilled! So we know the nations cannot speak as the rabbis interpret it in Isaiah 53 because those who spoke in Isaiah 53: 1 heard the words of the proclamation but did not believe! but it is said of the nations! they do not know anything about it until it is fulfilled! So the nations should not even know that the rabbis are waiting for the Messiah who will make them great and strong again! 52,15 so he will sprinkle many nations,[4] and kings will shut their mouths because of him. For what ⚠️⚠️⚠️they were NOT TOLD, they will see, and what they have NOT HEARD⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️, they will understand. WE READ ONE SENTENCE FURTHER! 53,1 1 Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? WHAT AN INTERPRETATION OF LIES BY THE RABBIS So only the Israelites can speak in Isaiah 53!
@@Hannestv4607 Why would you feel the need to share that? Jesus never did anything to be called the messiah. All I see from you is, that the nations this the natuons that. The nation's know that Isaiah 52 came after Isaiah 53 😆 🤣 😂 what da heck are you talking about! You make no sense whatsoever! Isaiah 52 as you said are the kings of nations talking. However, they have recognized and are astonished because that "ISRAEL the SERVANT" were right all along. Isaiah 53 where the servant Israel suffered has happened. Doesn't the Holocaust count? The suffering servant is ISRAEL and the nations are to follow the God of Israel. It's not Israel that has to follow the gods of the nations! Your Jesus was a fabrication of Rome. It doesn't matter if the characters and locations Rome used were Jewish. The underlying message of the NT is PAGAN!
Houston we have a problem.... Orthodox rabbis say Oral law was inspired and given at Sinai with Torah, that it is truth, but yet we have all these different rabbis teaching differently on Isaiah 53... I think the game of circular telephone is broken. lol So much for inspired oral law lol
The Messiah has to be from the line of David. He had to come from Christ era. He couldn't possibly come now, because it would be, absolutely impossible to prove that your from the " line of David" because the temples been destroyed. Thats where the records were kept . As a nation, the people of Israel, while desiring the advent of the Messiah, were so far separated from God in heart and life that they could have no true conception of the character or mission of the promised Redeemer. Instead of desiring redemption from sin, and the glory and peace of holiness, their hearts were fixed upon deliverance from their national foes, and restoration to worldly power. They looked for Messiah to come as a conqueror, to break every yoke, and exalt Israel to dominion over all nations. Thus Satan had succeeded in preparing the hearts of the people to reject the Saviour when He should appear. Their own pride of heart, and their false conceptions of His character and mission, would prevent them from honestly weighing the evidences of His Messiahship. For more than a thousand years the Jewish people had waited the coming of the promised Saviour. Their brightest hopes had rested upon this event. For a thousand years, in song and prophecy, in temple rite and household prayer, His name had been enshrined; and yet when He came, they did not recognize Him as the Messiah for whom they had so long waited. "He came unto His own, and His own received Him not." John 1:11. To their world-loving hearts the Beloved of heaven was "as a root out of a dry ground." In their eyes He had "no form nor comeliness;" they discerned in Him no beauty that they should desire Him. Isaiah 53:2.
"He couldn't possibly come now, because it would be, absolutely impossible to prove that your from the " line of David" because the temples been destroyed. Thats where the records were kept " *That makes no sense . It's like claiming that the Gog and Magog war must have been fulfilled already since we don't know wo are the Magogites now. The Messiah won't be appointed by people but by G-d himself so it's irrelevant whether the Jews know they're genealogy . God knows , it's enough.* The Jews rejected Jesus since there are *clear prophecies* about the Messiah and he didn't fulfilled them . What it has to do with their hearts being seperated from G-d ? The Jews in 7th century Arabia also rejected Muhammad so were they wrong also then ? "He came unto His own, and His own received Him not." John 1:11 To their world-loving hearts the Beloved of heaven was "as a root out of a dry ground." In their eyes He had "no form nor comeliness;" they discerned in Him no beauty that they should desire Him. Isaiah 53:2 Quoting a lier can't prove nothing . Matthew , Mark and Luke claimed that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan in 9 o'clock and John claimed that he was crucified on the 14th day of Nisan in 12 o'clock , so he clearly was an unreliable person .
The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day. Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. Gradually I began to hate them.
The requirements of this "highly exualted" figure should also include "sprinkle many nations" (isa 52:15) and there is no prophet who are called to sprinkle many nations except the Messiah Himself and when the text says that "He will be highly exualted", there is only one possible candidate and that is the Messiah, Jesus Christ.
The obfuscation by Meza reminds me of the cognitive dissonance of the Jehovah's Witnesses. They both seem to read a text, and then it is processed thru their presuppositions, and it comes out garbled and incoherent. Just read the text for what it ways, then you can either accept it, or reject it. Trying to say the text doesn't say what it does just makes you look thick-headed, just like JWs. It is frustrating to listen when the Scriptures are clear, but the presuppositions prevail in the mind of those who are perishing.
I find it quite strange, as Christians, we can accept any and all scripture as God's given word and we do not need to make up wild accusations or crazy interpretations to make it sound like it is saying something it is not, while ALL other false religions and heretics need to do exactly that, as well as completely ignore what certain passages and verses from scripture teaches us. We'll all find out in the end, but my salvation is in Christ, YOU can choose what you want!
Neither do we need to hide behind any particular languages, as though the original translators were stupid, and they culdn't convey what the words meant! God has no language, He can communicate to anyone anywhere, if you need to make your "god" weak by trying to say he can't protect and transmit his words properly, even through men, then you can keep your weak god, I'm sticking with the Almighty!
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Thanks for uploading sir, your videos are like treasures to many people.
They are heresies that try to turn people from God's commandments. Please return to Elohim.
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Modern Judaism is a mere tradition of men. Talmud is a heresy
Temp Step, with all due respect, you DEFINITELY don't know what you are talking about. The "mere tradition of men" HAS BEEN THE SAME tradition for at least 3,500 years. And the Talmud is way deeper than your mental capacity may reach. So, before making a fool of yourself, be wise and keep your ignorance to yourself.
Shalom alecha! 🇮🇱 Am Israel chay
Dr. Brown, you are a gem.
God bless you Dr Brown ... you are doing an incredible work. You are a blessing for the body of Christ. Love from Democratic Republic of Congo in Africa
As a Jew, I'm thankful that I found Jesus Christ, and am well settled in it. Nothing can dim my faith.
God protected me from these blind teachers of fables.
It's really difficult for a Jew to come to Christ, isn't it? I came from an Islamic background :)
@@MarkusGhambari Praise the Lord for that. I'm glad you see the light. It's next to impossible for us to shake off the meaningless beliefs that were past down to us.
Christ is the Lord.
@@steve2841 I can only imagine depending on your parents, the more orthodox, the more difficult. Same with Islam. But thankfully nothing is impossible for God :)
@@MarkusGhambari we were totally secular, but the curse of Christ rejection..is still ingrained in us as a race.
I been a missionary worker for 12 years.
@@MarkusGhambari So happy for you Markus, I came to jesus from an islamic background too.
So happy for you and pray that you're safe wherever you live.
You will not see Me again until you say : *_"Blessed is He Who comes in THE NAME OF THE LORD."_*
The blindness is for the sake of the gentiles, of those who have been given eyes to see and ears to hear anyway.
*Behold! The Lamb of God, Who taketh away the sins of the world!*
Rabbi Asher keeps saying that this text is hyperbolic. The definition of hyperbole is, “Excessive exaggeration”. This text is a clear reading without exaggeration which clearly demonstrates that it is meant to be interpreted as literal.
The builders rejected the cornerstone and then the Israelis house fell down. But then the Cornerstone was offered to the Gentiles and the Gentiles built a temple in their hearts that this world will and cannot undermine. Narrow is the path that leads to salvation.
Dr Brown is so clear minded and asks a very simple question *"Who else could be so highly exalted over Abraham, Moses and the angels?"*
Simple and easy question from scripture.
But all that happens is Romans 11 : 8.
I pray the Lord opens the Rabbi's eyes. It's always possible since he's willing to have a dialogue about it.
Mr Liver - alive in Christ
AMEN, intellectually honest people follow the evidence to the logical conclusion even if they don't like it. I pray the Rabbi gets some intellectual honesty.
The only intellectual honesty to be offered is this - _Is. 43;11 I, I am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior._ This one verse Brown will not discuss and if he addresses it he does the 'Christian shuffle' which is to reinterpret it (God is a plural unity) and skirt the obvious statement made. I've sent this verse to him repeatedly over the last 2 years and he will not address it.
Christianity thy name is INTERPRETATION.
MrArtist1971 That is one of my favorite verses ! Blessings bro !!!
+MrArtist1971
"Is. 43;11 I, I am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior."
Thanks for proving again that Jesus is in fact God, good job bro!
" I've sent this verse to him repeatedly over the last 2 years and he will not address it."
Yes, most people will avoid those who behave like stalkers like a plague! May I suggest a different approach?
may the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
Please keep keep uploading these. This is so educating.
He can't answer this Sir.Your videos are so much informative. God bless you. May God open his eyes in Jesus Name.
No offense to Meza but he's unprepared for this. Brown is cherry picking the Isaiah 53 reference and shoe horning it to fit Christian doctrine - as all Christians do. The suffering servant is clear if you simply read the preceding chapters.
Isaiah 44;1
But now hear, O Jacob my servant , Israel whom I have chosen!
Isaiah 44;21
Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel, for you are my servant ; I formed you; you are my servant; O Israel, you will not be forgotten by me.
Isaiah 45;4
For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I called you by your name, I name you, though you do not know me.
Isaiah 48;20
Go out from Babylon, flee from Chaldea, declare this with a shout of joy, proclaim it, send it out to the end of the earth; say, “The Lord has redeemed his servant Jacob!”
Isaiah 49;3
And he said to me, “You are my servant , Israel, in whom I will be glorified.”
@@MrArtist1971 Those are two totally different contexts that don't connect. Israel is nowhere exalted to the level of YHWH.
(Also, just to start, you misrepresented Isaiah 49:3. I don't have the energy to check the others given how lengthy this reply will be, but there is a definite narrative shift at verse 5: "And now YHWH says-he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him, to gather Israel back to himself..." This isn't talking about Israel, so 49:3 doesn't extend far enough to draw any sort of unbroken narrative from.)
Moroever, the context of the suffering in 53 is of another entity suffering _for_ Israel. Isaiah starts using phrases like "for the transgression of my people" and "pierced for our trangressions": how is Israel the servant suffering for the sake of Isaiah's people when the sufferer is being portrayed as a separate being from Isaiah's people?
There is also the textual evidence that Israel is referred as a female. The suffering servant is a male. Israel is the Daughter of Zion, yet the suffering servant is "he".
Now that's especially important when you recognize that a sharp subject change happen at 52:13: "for YHWH will go before you". Then in the next verse the servant spoken is male (not a daughter) and he's given the language of divine exaltation.
More importantly, it isn't just Christians who interpret this figure as a human being. It's messianic interpretation goes back to Judaism. In fact, I've even seen it said, and I've had it said to me, that the prophecy is about a Persian king.
@@blanktrigger8863 Yeah, interpretation and perspective casts a wide net. I don't have the energy either. These debates get tedious as they branch into increasing twists and turns. The fact remains is that Torah is the trunk, the beginning; God's commandments and laws to be obeyed. Christian and Judaic 'views' of 'whatever messiah' is a quick path to nowhere. We're called to obey the only true El - YHWH. I'm continually bombarded by Christian heresy telling me to go against the clear Words of Elohim, which I will not heed. I appreciate your well thought out points but you know where I stand. God bless you and lead you into obedience and truth and keep you from deceit.
@@MrArtist1971 The problem with that statement is that at the very least the idea of a diune YHWH is present even in Torah. It's also present very clearly in prophecy, ergo the Ancient Days sharing his divinity with the "one like a son of man". Or the divine exaltation of the suffering servant which is extremely similar to the language of the prophecy in Daniel.
It has nothing to do with deceit, but rather one's willingness to see that even those who wrote the Old Testament were struggling to wrap their minds around the trinitarian nature of YHWH. If that openness isn't there, the truth evades perception.
@@blanktrigger8863 Again, this has nothing to do with anything. This kind of discussion is very atypical of Christian distractions AWAY from the commandments of YHWH and down the road of interpretation. Pointless. If you're interested in the trinity I suggest you research it's origin. It's heresy and Catholic.
It's important to witness to the Jews. I witnessed to one and there was unbelief. I witnessed to another Jewish person saying " He was pierced through for our transgressions......" And that woman said OH, THAT'S JESUS!!!! SO, WE SPEAK, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT USES HOLY SCRIPTURE TO OPEN THEIR EYES AND THEIR HEARTS!!!! Keep speaking with gentleness and respect. Some plant, some water, but it is God Who causes the increase. Jesus is coming soon!!!!!!
AMEN!
Carol Brock he was supposed to have come 2000 years ago, as stated in your bible.
@@ericdumont610 And so He did: He came unto His own, and His own rejected Him. And now the signs are everywhere that the End of this chapter of earth's history may be winding down, which will ultimately be heralded by Jesus' return. He came as a Lamb the first time and laid down His life for the atonement of all sin for those who accept Him; next, He will come in fury and justice as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah ["It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplement; then THEY WILL LOOK ON ME WHOM THEY PIERCED. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a first born. ... and will say to Him, 'What are these wounds between your arms?' and He will answer, "Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends'" (from Zechariah, chapters 12 and 13)] , wiping out His enemies and bringing peace for a thousand years. "Even so, come! Lord Jesus!"
@@ericdumont610 Eric, yes, The Lord Jesus Christ was born in human flesh about 2000 years ago!!! But He's coming in the clouds very very soon to meet His adopted children in the air. Christian's call that event the rapture of the Church!!!! Then, God's wrath will be poured out on the Earth for 7 years to all those people who reject Jesus Christ and the gospel message of salvation. Have you heard the good news about Jesus Christ and how He so loved the people He created, that He came to Earth to die on the cross for our sins against God and His Ten Commandments?? Here is a short version: No other god's before Me, do not worship idols nor serve them, nor bow down to them, do not use God's Name in vain, Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy ( work 6 day's and rest one day and come to Lord Jesus Christ's Church to worship God and hear what God has to say, honor your parents, do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, don't tell lies, do not covet anything of your neighbors. God says, "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and the wages of sin is death but the FREE GIFT of GOD is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. His blood covers our sins. He was buried and rose victoriously from the dead on the third day just like He said He would!!!! HE'S ALIVE TODAY AND HE'S INVISIBLE! God says, "For by grace you have been saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the GIFT OF GOD NOT AS A RESULT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST. God loves justice, and our sins against Him deserve punishment; so The Holy Father sent His Son Jesus Christ to take the punishment we deserve upon Himself, thus satisfying God's justice and wrath; so NOW GOD CAN OFFER HIS GRACE AND MERCY BY FAITH ALONE IN JESUS WORK ON THE CROSS FOR YOUR SINS. IT IS A FREE GIFT OF GOD NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST. If you believe God's testimony and are willing to repent of your sins, you can be saved. Jesus came to offer us forgiveness of sins, eternal life, to set us FREE FROM SINS, and the hope of Heaven.
Please call upon Jesus Christ's Name and invite Him into your life as Savior and Lord. There is a place called Heaven where all who are saved will go to when they die. There is a place called Hell where those people who reject Jesus will go to when they die. It is a place where people will suffer eternally and be separated from God forever. Please be reconciled to God today!!!! Hope to see you in Heaven. Pray, and ask The Lord to lead you to His Faithful Church. He is able.
@@carolbrock5798 esus of Nazareth' supposedly lived in what is the most well-documented period of antiquity - the first century of the Christian era - yet not a single non-Christian source mentions the miracle worker from the sky. All references - including the notorious insertions in Josephus - stem from partisan Christian sources (and Josephus himself, much argued over, was not even born until after the supposed crucifixion). The horrendous truth is that the Christian Jesus was manufactured from plundered sources, re-purposed for the needs of the early Church.
It is not with a human being that the Jesus myth begins. Christ is not a deified man but a humanised god who happened to be given the name Yeshu. Those real Jesuses, those that lived and died within normal human parameters, may have left stories and legends behind, later cannibalised by Christian scribes as source material for their own hero, but it is not with any flesh and blood rebel/rabbi/wonder-worker that the story begins. Rather, its genesis is in theology itself.
There is only one person in our planet's history who fits the description in Isa 53.
Sean Creahan : Jacob- Israel
@born again - Can you support your statement " the only person who knows the old testament better than anybody is Jesus Christ"?
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A nice civil conversation. I like these two men 😊
Awesome conversation by both individuals. Good finish. Thanks Dr. Brown for giving the last word to Rabbi Meza, and then beseeching the audience to seek out the truth on their own. This demonstrates your gentlemanliness as well as your faith in God's Word and Spirit.
The rabbi keeps saying that it's not talking about one person, but it is so clear it is singular! How can he twist Scriptures like this? If God was talking about a group of prophets, He could have said so easily. The Bible is so true that Israel is blinded and hard-hearted. They will NOT believe whatever you say. No wonder Yeshua wept for Jerusalem! We will pray for Israel's eyes to be opened.
Belinda G It’s not quite correct to say that “Israel is blinded and hard-hearted” since Dr. Brown is an example of a Jew who isn’t “blinded and hard-hoarded” and there are thousands of others too. It was Paul who said that 2000 years ago.
N B N B, I don’t see any of those particular words (“them in verse 8” and “deaths in verse 9”) as you say in Isaiah 53. Are you sure you’re talking about Isaiah 53 or some other chapter? Anyway, I see actually 3 “Servants” in the Scroll of Isaiah: (1), Cyrus (2). Israel (3). The Messiah for example the Scripture says, in Isaiah 49:5 and 6: “Now says Yahveh who formed Me from the womb to be His Servant, to bring Jacob again to him, and that Israel be gathered to Him (for I am honorable in the eyes of Yahweh, and my God is become my strength); yes, He says, "It is too light a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give you for a light to the nations, that you may be my salvation to the end of the earth."
So here we have this particular “Servant” (which the prophet Isaiah was speaking on behalf of Yahveh), was “formed in the womb” by Yahveh Himself, and was later to “to bring back Jacob (Israel) to Him (Yahveh)” so that “Israel would be restored to Him” (or gathered to Him). This Servant shall be “glorious (וְאֶכָּבֵד֙) in the eyes of Yahveh” and Yahveh “will be the Servant’s Strength.” Then the prophet Isaiah says, “And He (Yahveh) says: “It is too light a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give you for a light to the nations, that you may be my salvation to the end of the earth." Therefore, The Servant HERE, could not be Israel, because at this time Israel would be out of His Favor, but is in need to be “brought back to Him” and be “restored.” Also, this cannot be Isaiah the prophet because the language used by Isaiah describes someone else. It also cannot be Cyrus because he was never “a Light to the Nations” and Yahveh’s “Salvation” to the end of the earth.” Only MY OPINION and I can say confidently that I was honest in my hermeneutical interpretation; for I desire the truth wherever IT leads. Sincerely, David.
@@David-kk4dr In Isaiah 53:8 according to the Hebrew text we read: "For the transgression of my people a plague befell *them (lamo)."* And in verse 9 the Hebrew word for "death" is plural so it's literally "deaths" although it should be noted that plural in the Hebrew Bible doesn't always denote a plural in number but rather a plural in intensity. But still, the plural form of "death" here makes the most sense in the context of the passage and with the servant being called "them" in verse 8. Regarding Isaiah 49, the Prophet Isaiah is speaking here about himself. The primary purpose of the prophets was to the bring the people back to God and this is what the text is speaking about here. Even in this passage however the servant is referred to as Israel (verse 3). Isaiah is singled out because he was among the righteous of Israel who are to be a light to the nations. And the righteous of Israel are also tasked with bringing the rest of Israel back to God and that's why read that the servant/Israel of verse 3 is tasked with bringing Israel back to God (verse 5).
@@David-kk4dr You might be able to say regarding Isaiah 53:8 that the "them" refers to the immediate antecedent - i.e. for the transgression of my people a plague befell them (my people).
N B @ N B, thank you for your response. What I see in verse 8 is the Servant is condemned to death. He would be “taken away” and “cut off from the land of the living.” The latter verb (נִגְזַר֙) “He was cut off” is always used of a violent and premature death (as in 2 Kings 6:4 cutting timber or trees; 2 Chron. 26:21 King Uzziah; Psa. 88:5 regarding those who go down to the pit etc.). What is not so clear in verse 8 is how the Servant’s death is connected to his “arrest” (מֵעֹ֤צֶר the very first word in verse 8) which word is also found in Psalm 107:39, and which is defined as “to restrain; to shut up as in imprison” see also 2 Kings 17:4. So, verse 8 begins מֵעֹ֤צֶר וּמִמִּשְׁפָּט֙ (“From prison and from judgement...”). Therefore, the main possible interpretations are: (1). “Without” arrest and “without” judgment the servant was taken away, that is, he was not legally arrested and did not receive a fair trial. Or, (2). from the midst of the arrest (confinement, restraint, or oppression) and “judgement” he was taken away by death. And lastly, (3). By reason of arrest and a judgement he was taken away, that is, he was arrested and then sentenced to die. If you notice that in verse 5 it was the Servant’s suffering only, which was substitutionary; but in verse 8 it is his death itself. The servant would become, potentially the substitution of all those who committed “sins” and “iniquities” (our sins and our iniquities, v.5) “for the sin of My people (Israel) who deserved the punishment” (v.8). Again, I repeat this is my opinion and I don’t like quarreling, but I don’t mind respectful and honorable reason and debate. Shalom, David.
Isaiah 53 is a complete biography of Jesus Christ, His life, ministry, death, resurrection and prophetic telling of the Gospel. If we lost the New Testament, this one passage would allow us to reconstruct enough of the Gospel to bring someone to salvation.
*Wrong.*
T 1985 Why not both? Yeshua Messiah is both a form and a son of YHVH yet he was both and prayed to his Father YHVH in the garden before his crucifixion. He was both flesh and spirit. Yeshua always did the will of his Father, taught his word and served him unto death and resurrection. He sits at the right hand of his Father even now.
YHWH can do anything. YHWH can worship himself as elohim. Jesus had to fulfil the commandments. First being know YHWH is elohim...
Or are you suggesting that YHWH Is not omnipotent? Or that Yahawashi sinned?
T 1985 This rabbi dude is wrong an you are also.
Daniel 9 24-25 answers this. An the first verse on Daniel 9:26
Make an end to sins.
INTERCEDE on our behalf.
Then it says to Annoit the Holy of One Israel this is the Messiah.
Also gave US time. From Nehemiah building the walls in Jerusalem to the time of Jesus on earth. That's prophecy is for 483 years then the clock stops short 7 years cause the prophecy first told was for 490 years .
So then you see the Messiah is cut off (Die) just like Isaiah 53 says. An then it says (NOT FOR HIMSELF). He didn't die cause of anything He did .. So it wasn't for Himself it was our crimes.
So He reconciles our sins..
Daniel answers Isaiah 53
You see, Jesus can worship himself and be God because he is a narcissist.
Isaiah 53 is about Jesus He is the one who suffered for us
The servant is clearly named. Its Jacob-Israel.
"But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, the offspring of Abraham, my friend; you whom I took from the ends of the earth, and called from its farthest corners, saying to you, “You are my servant, I have chosen you and not cast you off.” ~ Isaiah 41:8-9
But now hear, O Jacob my servant, Israel whom I have chosen! ~ Isaiah 44:1
Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel, for you are my servant; I formed you; you are my servant; O Israel, you will not be forgotten by me. ~ Isaiah 44:21
For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I called you by your name, I name you, though you do not know me. ~ Isaiah 45:4
"Go out from Babylon, flee from Chaldea, declare this with a shout of joy, proclaim it, send it out to the end of the earth; say, “The Lord has redeemed his servant Jacob!” ~ Isaiah 48:20
"And he said to me, “You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.” ~ Isaiah 49:3
@@organicskincare Go on from Isaiah 49:3 onwards into different chapters you'll see there's another servant, Jesus Christ.
@@reecemesser - Consider this...God always verified His prophets, so that it will be clear to you. God always named His servants, so that you are not deceived.
God shows us the identity of His servant in Isaiah 53 by name: "For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I called you by your name, I name you” Isaiah 45:4.
You will never find a mysteriously nameless, un-assigned servant in the Hebrew Scriptures. Please start with Isaiah 41. The named, righteous servant is Jacob-Israel, who God said with clarity that God had: chosen, redeemed, glorified, named, will not cast off (Isaiah 41:8-9, Isaiah 44:1, Isaiah 44:21, Isaiah 45:4, Isaiah 48:20, Isaiah 49:3).
"O Jacob, and Israel, for you are my servant” Isaiah 44:21
God "has redeemed his servant Jacob!” Isaiah 48:20
"O Jacob my servant, Israel whom I have chosen!” Isaiah 44:1
“You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.” Isaiah 49:3
"my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I called you by your name, I name you” Isaiah 45:4
“You are my servant, I have chosen you and not cast you off.” ~ Isaiah 41:9
These are crystal clear statements from God Almighty that gives everyone a direct, very clear reference as to who the suffering servant actually is.
Please remember - God always names His servants! In the Hebrew Scriptures, there were originally no chapter breaks. If you read the text unabridged, then it would be more simple for readers to understand the correct narrative.
The Christian Roman Catholic and Christian protestant church religion attempt to teach you their mysterious, un-named servant and that this is a clear reference to Jesus. God identifies His servants by name. The suffering servant in Isaiah 53 is not named, because God already names His servant many times in the passages leading up to Isaiah 53.
Additionally, Isaiah 53 is the main passage the Christian Church hangs their prophetic understanding of Jesus on. If the writers of the new testament thought Isaiah 53 was a clear reference to Jesus, then why wasn’t Isaiah 53 quoted at length or by passage all over the place?? We see the servant quoted by name extensively in Isaiah. It's just so clear.
@@organicskincare amein!
Wrong. Read your bible.
I think the paradoxes seen in Isaiah 53 are just so beautiful. So like God to say things like this:
... Who shall declare his generation? For he was cut off out of the land of the living ... he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days ...
... He made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death ...
So, whomever is being spoken of here would (1) have no children, and yet have children; (2) be brought to the grave as a wicked person, and yet laid in the grave of the rich.
Who else could this be speaking of except for our Jesus?
And if this is referring to a general group of martyrs, how do these great details apply to do many people?
And if this is all hyperbolic language, does not that take away from the uniqueness of the message? Why, then, would Isaiah say that this prophecy is something that people "had not [before] heard" and will have to "consider" (Isaiah 52:15), and what would cause Isaiah to ask who would believe the report if it's just hyperbolic language which could apply to any martyrs?
I love how respectful you both were to each other and just had a nice conversation ❤❤❤
Dr. Brown, you really have patience. This is clearly speaking about Jesus. Who can ever be lifted up higher than Moses and Abraham? Only God.
+ASKDrBrown
Thank you my brother in Christ Jesus. I only came across your excellent work in a debate in which you sided with Dr James White, only last night too.
I thank the Lord for showing you both to me. I had known a little of Dr White before that, but never really took much interest in his work, until I seen you both destroy the unitarians arguments in that debate.
I love Dr White as well, my ONLY problem with him is how he is so easily offended by what other people think and say, especially about other so called "religions", if he could learn to overcome that and work with others as well, he'd be an unstoppable force against these heretics and their silly claims. Other than that, he's an amazing apologist, as are you yourself.
Thank you, and God bless you brother.
Never got around to Isaiah 53:10, "Yet it pleased THE LORD TO BRUISE HIM; HE has put Him to grief ..." Profound!
Let us not forget. Pax Christi
Ancient Rabbis believed that Isaiah 53 pointed to the Messiah. See "Sanhedrin 98b"......
They also believed it was speaking of Moses so your point is? Every Jew knows it speaks of Israel. Isaiah 43:1, Isaiah 44:1 and so on
@@Majobri true
When the dead sea scrolls surfaced in 1947 the Book of Isaiah particularly 53 is identical to the Constantine Bible.
@@Majobri nahh its not speaking about israel many jews know that
Herz Homberg (18th-19th c.)
The fact is, that it refers to the King Messiah, who will come in the latter days, when it will be the Lord's good pleasure to redeem Israel from among the different nations of the earth.....Whatever he underwent was in consequence of their own transgression, the Lord having chosen him to be a trespass-offering, like the scape-goat which bore all the iniquities of the house of Israel.21
21. Driver and Neubauer, p. 400-401
The musaf (additional) service for the Day of Atonement, Philips machzor (20th c.)
Our righteous anointed is departed from us: horror hath seized us, and we have non to justify us. He hath borne the yoke of our iniquities, and our transgression, and is wounded because of our transgression. He beareth our sins on his shoulder, that he may find pardon for our iniquities. We shall be healed by his wound, at the time that the Eternal will create him (the Messiah) as a new creature. O bring him up from the circle of the earth. Raise him up from Seir, to assemble us the second time on Mount Lebanon, by the hand of Yinnon.22
22. A. Th. Philips, Machzor Leyom Kippur / Prayer Book for the Day of Atonement with English Translation; Revised and Enlarged Edition (New York: Hebrew Publishing Company, 1931), p. 239. The passage can also be found in, e.g., the 1937 edition. Also, Driver and Neubauer, p. 399
@@Majobri in fact they do not it speak of king messiah bro
Brothers and sisters Pray for Asher meza so that God may enlighten the eyes of his understanding,that God may open his heart to understand the scriptures and embrace Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.
The Messiah has to be from the line of David. He had to come from Christ
era.
He couldn't possibly come now, because it would be, absolutely
impossible to prove that your from the " line of David" because the
temples been destroyed. Thats where the records were kept .
As a nation, the people of Israel, while desiring the advent of the
Messiah, were so far separated from God in heart and life that they
could have no true conception of the character or mission of the
promised Redeemer. Instead of desiring redemption from sin, and the
glory and peace of holiness, their hearts were fixed upon deliverance
from their national foes, and restoration to worldly power.
They looked for Messiah to come as a conqueror, to break every yoke,
and exalt Israel to dominion over all nations. Thus Satan had succeeded
in preparing the hearts of the people to reject the Saviour when He
should appear. Their own pride of heart, and their false conceptions of
His character and mission, would prevent them from honestly weighing the
evidences of His Messiahship.
For more than a thousand years the Jewish people had waited the
coming of the promised Saviour. Their brightest hopes had rested upon
this event. For a thousand years, in song and prophecy, in temple rite
and household prayer, His name had been enshrined; and yet when He came,
they did not recognize Him as the Messiah for whom they had so long
waited.
"He came unto His own, and His own received Him not." John 1:11.
To their world-loving hearts the Beloved of heaven was "as a root out
of a dry ground." In their eyes He had "no form nor comeliness;" they
discerned in Him no beauty that they should desire Him. Isaiah 53:2.
Please do some research. Asher Meza IS NOT A JEW. He is a Colombian guy who pretends to be a Jew Rabbi. His mother was and is a gentile (not Jew). He tried to initiate his Synagogue in Ecuador (south of Colombia) and it was a total failure. Asher Meza is not even considered as a Rabbi by most Jews. Asher Meza is a fake.
corvan lopez he don’t have to embrace sh*t
Shalom corovan Lopez, with respect to you and your beliefs how could you make such a statement? You mentioned to pray for Asher for him to receive enlightenment and understand scripture. Rabbi Meza may be misconstrued as being unlearned according to a Christian perspective but make no mistake, He is very knowledgeable and very wise. In order to become a rabbi much study must be done for several years. The rabbi i study under took 8hours of study everyday for 5 years. Not just anyone can do that. It requires very much dedication, and just because he doesnt subscribe to the christian faith doesn't mean he is under a veil. He understands the Torah as many of us do at face value. יחוח gave us His Torah and instructed Israel not to have any other gods. That is exactly what we are doing. Shalom to you and your family.
No offense to Meza but he's unprepared for this. Brown is cherry picking the Isaiah 53 reference and shoe horning it to fit Christian doctrine - as all Christians do. The suffering servant is clear if you simply read the preceding chapters.
Isaiah 44;1
But now hear, O Jacob my servant , Israel whom I have chosen!
Isaiah 44;21
Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel, for you are my servant ; I formed you; you are my servant; O Israel, you will not be forgotten by me.
Isaiah 45;4
For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I called you by your name, I name you, though you do not know me.
Isaiah 48;20
Go out from Babylon, flee from Chaldea, declare this with a shout of joy, proclaim it, send it out to the end of the earth; say, “The Lord has redeemed his servant Jacob!”
Isaiah 49;3
And he said to me, “You are my servant , Israel, in whom I will be glorified.”
R. Meza totally killed it with the exclusivity point. Awesome job R. Meza! 🤙
What? No neither could refute the other but the Christian convinced somewhat more than the jewish.
@@allopez8563 I think there's a problem when considering the exaltation, as was stated. From the beginning, R. Meza's approach and view of the text was a unique one.
@@NoRushpk The Jews have no religion without the Temple, and they are not looking to rebuild the Temple because it would convict them of their sins. They are a lost people.
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It's not hard to kill it, the NT promotes human sacrifice and theophagy.
Isaiah wasn't promoting human sacrifice.
Good job Dr. Brown, you made your points very clear, while its nice you have these discussions and important as well, it must be frustrating when folks dance around direct questions, its like trying to nail jello to the wall, nothing seems to stick, hopefully the Rabbi will consider the text in quiet time honestly instead of dancing around the truth trying to win a losing argument or maybe its a case of the truth could cost him his position so he does not want to hear it.
No one can continue to fight against God (or His plan of redemption) forever.
The day our Lord died for us , was the day the Heavens were created for the Spirits of his people. We were Born Again under his Mercy and Love from him and his Father. This was the start of a day of Truth and the Life of the souls of his Children. All Glory to Jesus who sits on the Right hand of the Father. Peace to his people on Earth and in the Heavens above. Home is in the Heavens with our Shepard Jesus Christ our Father.
Yay! Someone who knows who Jesus is! That's so rare ❤
Rabbi Asher sounds like a really nice reasonable bloke, nor aggressive. However he sounds like he doesn't
like where his arguments would logically take him! Dr. Mike Brown I praise the Lord that you are so gracious!
He came to his own and his own received him not. Having eyes to see, they do not see, having EARS to hear, they do not hear. Little do the Jewish people know that most of them will not obtain eternal life because they refuse to receive their Messiah, Yeshua. They should be witnessing to the nation's not the other way around. Most of them have failed, but not all. Many are believing in the Messiah.
This is a perfect example of the power of a "good relationship". Rabbi Meza and Dr. Brown have a well established friendly relationship. The discussion flowed well without lots of interruptions as we've seen with other Rabbi's or orthodox Jews. We need to listen, and trust that God will get our point across after we listen.
Psalm 45:1-7
45 My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer.
2 Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.
3 Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty.
4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.
5 Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee.
6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Proverbs 30:4
4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Isaiah 45:11
11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
Psalm 110:1
110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Jeremiah 23:3-5
3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the Lord.
5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Isaiah 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Psalm 22:16
16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Isaiah 53
53 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
You guys are great. So enlightening.
This dude just does not care about the truth. He can't answer simple questions to save his life and always tries to confuse the point lol. He argued like a Muslim.
Hi ! Who you talking about? Brown ?
@A. David Ever yeah me to ..thas why i became a Christian.
Excellent conversation, kudos to Rabbi Asher for being so open minded and cordial.
Regardless, it seems evident that Issiah 53 can’t just be about all the prophets, as not all the prophets died, where burried in a rich man’s tomb, said no lies, and weren’t violent as Issiah 53 describes.
And most importantly, in Issiah 52 it states “Isaiah 52:15
[15] so shall he sprinkle *many nations*.
This evidently can’t be about all the prophets and or a pure remnant as there isn’t global attestation to them, except for one individual…Yeshua ben Yosef the eternal Word of God who became flesh
What I see in many is their hesitancy to honestly debate the possibility that Jesus could really be the Messiah/Chosen One because of fear of rejection by family, friends or community. But who we must fear more is the rejection of God.
“Fear of man will prove to be a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD is kept safe.”
Proverbs 29:25
There is an equal skip lettering sequence in Isaiah 53 of 17 letter skips that writes out Yeshua is my name! Check out Sid Roth, a Rabbi found this.
Wow- the equivocating and deflection by Rabbi Asher is.......astounding,
Would enjoy another exchange if you think it would prove beneficial...
This is truly how you conduct a debate!
dr brown makes a very good argument an to me I see it that way an im convinced Coupled with Jesus own statements
I agree with the Dr , its all in the singular and if it was meant to speak of prophets in general then it wouldnt give specifics about His death, resurrection and being exalted above the angels
Your words are so beautifully spoken
'"This was to fulfil the word of Isaiah the prophet: " Lord, who Has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed. For this reason they could not believe, because as Isaiah says elsewhere: " He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn - and I would heal them." (John 12:38-40)
When a person gets defensive and angry , usually they are wrong. This is how i react when i know i am being schooled. I hate it just as much as this Rabbi hates it.
No other individual death was seen as something that healed the people. sampson died and killed alot of phillistines but he didnt suffer because of others sins he suffered because of his own
Lance Lewis
Yes, and not every messenger as the rabbi characterized, was persecuted by the evil people he was sent to. Jonah went to Nineveh and to his shock and horror they just repented!
What sin did Sampson commit?
@@successfullonglife674 he murdered 30 philistines
Successful Longlife Samson ate honey from a bees hive in a dead lion carcass, as a Nazarite (vowed) he was not to touch anything dead also not to drink wine but was in the vineyard, there are other examples, sin is disobedience
@@successfullonglife674 was it not that he wanted a wife from among the Philistines, a non-believer, when the Israelites were commanded to marry another believer?
The Rabbi's stand, where the suffering servant is an ambiguous plural group (of messengers & prophets, possibly including Jesus as well) feels like "spiritualizing" a topic. The whole context of that section of Isaiah clearly speaks to the singular one, who would be high and lifted up. It sounded like the Rabbi's rebuttal to this is that the rewards for the messengers and prophets (on the other side of death) would be reflective of this "high and lifted up" simply because we don't know what those rewards are explicitly.
I've had many conversations with people who read a verse and refuse to (or are blind to) see it for what it is saying, grammatically and contextually, so this doesn't surprise me. That being said, I'm curious if Rabbi Asher Meza were to "play it forward," on the opposing argument, whether seeing how precisely Jesus fulfills those verses exactly, and goes on to exactly fit so many others, if that the Rabbi might reconsider his view that Isaiah 53 is pluralistic & spiritualized?
God bless you both. Rabbi Asher Meza, you are an incredible scholar and knowledgeable teacher and have much to offer the world with regard to the things of God. I just hope pray that the Lord would open your eyes to show you just how perfectly you Messiah has met the Spirit-infused scripture and loves you so that you can tie it all together.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus. Marana tha. 🙏
Dr. Brown is on point again!
Take note, this is what debating with someone without revelation from the Holy Spirit sounds like.
Yes, truly amazing
Please. You can preach 'revelation' all day long but it will never overturn what God Himself has clearly stated.
@@MrArtist1971 Is 'revelation' and that which 'God Himself has clearly stated' not... the same thing..?
The 22 psalm should also be debated, this is a great depliction of the death and .Crucifixion
Yes. I'd say Psalm 22 puts your face right next to Jesus as hes dying. I've shown so many non religious people Psalm 22 not giving any context, just to read it. EVERY SINGLE PERSON said they know its talking about Jesus. Its amazing!
@@duke2311 yes it is the bible was written by God. The more I study it the more I understand that only God could of written such an amazing book.
@@mariopiazza3379 God bless you Mario. Keep up the fight for Jesus no matter the cost
@@duke2311 Amen thankyou friend God bless you too
@@nb3500 really explain to me when this happened to King David
They pierced My hands and My feet;
17 I can count all My bones.
They look and stare at Me.
18 They divide My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots
This we know happened to Jesus. How dose this explain David's situation
We know that it is a psalm of David but it is not about David
when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Greetings Dr Brown
The Suffering Servant in Isaiah ch. 42, 49, 50, 52, 53, is both the nation Israel, the Jews, and also the personified Israel in their King Jehoshua son of Joseph, the "one for the pasha" see Gen 30:22-24, and Gen ch 27:9 in Targum ben Uzziel.
The key to understand this, is in the Yom Kippur ceremony in Leviticus ch16.
Understanding the typology of the two kids of the goat, and the ram in Lev 16:5 is the key.
Typology of the two kids of the goat and the ram is derived from Gen ch 27, the story of the blessing of Jacob by Isaac.
In Gen 27, Esau is born hairy/saw-eer, and Jacob in order to get the blessing from Isaac must become become hairy/saw-eer and is told to depart to Laban, Jacob becomes saw-eer aza-zel, that is goat of departurue, or scapegoat.
Hebrew word saw-eer means hairy or goat and is used in Lev 16:5, the ram represents Isaac, as in Gen 22:13.
Hebrew word aza-zel also means "strong one agaist God", or "God fighter", and is simmilar to the meaning of the name "Israel" the name given to Jacob in Gen 32:28
In the Yom Kippur ceremony we have represented Esau/Christians, Jacob/Jews, and Isaac/Jehoshua son of Joseph.
The "common era, or Christian era" is a global Day of Attonment with one "saw-eer" sacrificed "for the pasha", and the other a scapegoat for the sins of humanity.
@A. David Ever Greetings David, theology is very interesting, it is insight into the will of God in the affairs of men.
Yom Kippur, is the Day of Reconciliation between members of Biblical family of the Messiah, Christians and Jews are His childeren.
Embedded in the Ten Commandments there is a promise, the promise of Rest, Shabbat.
All promises in the Bible are about the Messiah, and the Messiah is about Rest, Shabbat.
In the Christian part of the Bible we have: "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." (Mat 11:28-30)
So the nation Israel did no violence, neither was deceit found in his mouth? (53:9) Aren't you forcing your theological perspective onto the text, that speaks in clear terms of one individual? ("he", "him", "his", "a man") by what rule of biblical interpretation do you disqualify the clear reading of the text, in favor of a metaphor?
@@clayjo791 The one and only promise of the Bible is to bring into the world the Messiah and His Shabbat, i do not disqualify the Messiah as the only fulfillment of all prophecies, that is all promises.
First promise is in Genesis 3:15, "the seed of the women", preparatory fulfillment of this promise was the birth of Isaac and his twin sons Esau and Jacob. Global Day of Atonement was on Golgotha, notice that on either side of the Messiah we have two sinners, it is a triune sacrifice for the sins of the world, the two sinners on either side of the Messiah represent, the Christian Church, and the Jewish nation.
Same as in the Day of Atonement in Lev 16:5 we have a triune sacrifice, so on Golgotha we have triune sacrifice for the sins of the world, all three represent the One Messiah.
The truth of whose coming is all through the bible. The prophecy starts I Genesis and continues throughout. Very clear in Revelation.
Prayer and fasting for this time of witness because no amount of witness will change them unless God opens their eyes, however, we must still try for God may just do that and thank you Dr Brown for your patience and love in witnessing!
Romans 11:25-26 KJV
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. [26] And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Isaiah 52:10 The Lord has [c]MADE BARE (all to see) HIS HOLY ARM In the eyes of all the nations; And all the ends of the earth shall see The salvation of our God. WHAT PROPHET IS IDENTIFIED AS ARM OF THE LIVING GOD?
Isaiah 53:1 Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the ARM OF THE LORD been revealed?
Isaiah 59:16
He saw that there was no man, And wondered that there was no intercessor;Therefore HIS OWN ARM BROUGHT SALVATION FOR HIM; And His own righteousness, it sustained Him.
John 14:13 Jesus declares,"If you ask anything in My name, I will do it."
Remember when Jesus taught us to pray in Matthew 6:6-15; He said,"pray to your Father."
So here, clearly Jesus is telling us that if we pray to the Father and ask anything in His name, "He will do it" - this describes Jesus as the Arm of the Lord. He is the One who gets things done, the One who executes, fixes, and brings to pass.
The Arm of the Lord refers to Lord's strength and ability to accomplish whatever He chooses to do. In the other words, Jesus as the Arm of the Lord signifies His Omnipotent and proactive nature.
John 1:3 says, "All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made."
Arm of the Lord is identified in another Isaiah verse as a Divine being.
It's Christ Jesus...... No contest.
The poor blind jews will soon see their hideous blunder, of blunders.
@Ken Brownsher if Yeshúa Is yachad with God, then He Is God, AND GOD's children are his
@Ken Brownsher we are his children
@Ken Brownsher when will u people let go of ur ego
When God's written word was given through the Hebrew prophets, Satan studied with diligence the messages concerning the Messiah.
Carefully he traced the words that outlined with unmistakable clearness Christ's work among men as a suffering sacrifice and as a conquering king. In the parchment rolls of the Old Testament Scriptures he read that the One who was to appear was to be "brought as a lamb to the slaughter," "His visage . . . so marred more than any man, and His form more than the sons of men." Isaiah 53:7; 52:14.
The promised Saviour of humanity was to be "despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; . . . smitten of God, and afflicted;" yet He was also to exercise His mighty power in order to "judge the poor of the people." He was to "save the children of the needy," and "break in pieces the oppressor." Isaiah 53:3, 4; Psalm 72:4.
These prophecies caused Satan to fear and tremble; yet he relinquished not his purpose to thwart, if possible, the merciful provisions of Jehovah for the redemption of the lost race. He determined to blind the eyes of the people, so far as might be possible, to the real significance of the Messianic prophecies.
Beautifully expressed, mark.
*Wrong.*
*Wonderful, mark epsteen. You are absolutely correct.*
I wish Rabbi Tovia Singer would debate more. He gives strong answers and convinces so many of his Jewish followers but he has rarely allowed his views to be held up to scrutiny by those in the know. He did debate Michael Brown in the 90s and has point blank refused to debate him since which, to my mind, says a lot.
Isaiah 57:15
15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I DWELL IN THE HIGH AND HOLY PLACE, WITH HIM ALSO THAT IS OF A CONTRITE AND HUMBLE SPIRIT, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite one.
Zechariah 2:8-13
8 For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.
9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me.
10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord.
11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
12 And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.
13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the Lord: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation.
Daniel 9:24-25
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Isaiah 48:12-16
12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.
16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
Isaiah 50:2-7
2 Wherefore, when I came, was there no man? when I called, was there none to answer? Is my hand shortened at all, that it cannot redeem? or have I no power to deliver? behold, at my rebuke I dry up the sea, I make the rivers a wilderness: their fish stinketh, because there is no water, and dieth for thirst.
3 I clothe the heavens with blackness, and I make sackcloth their covering.
4 The Lord God hath given me the tongue of the learned, that I should know how to speak a word in season to him that is weary: he wakeneth morning by morning, he wakeneth mine ear to hear as the learned.
5 The Lord God hath opened mine ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back.
6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.
7 For the Lord God will help me; therefore shall I not be confounded: therefore have I set my face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be ashamed.
Isaiah 49:1-6
49 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the Lord, and my work with my God.
5 And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength.
6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
Isaiah 9:6-7
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
Psalm 40:5-7
5 Many, O Lord my God, are thy wonderful works which thou hast done, and thy thoughts which are to us-ward: they cannot be reckoned up in order unto thee: if I would declare and speak of them, they are more than can be numbered.
6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
Micah 5:1-3
5 Now gather thyself in troops, O daughter of troops: he hath laid siege against us: they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek.
2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
Psalm 78:35
35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.
Wonderful conversation. Would love to hear discussion of Malachi 3:1, Isaiah 40:3, Mark 1:3, John 1:23, Matthew 11:10-11
Thus Rabbi really is stretching to make his point, and it’s really not that complicated
When you say Isiah 53 out loud without telling anyone who it is about or where it comes from. The people familiar with Jesus will KNOW it's Jesus and will say " That is from the new testament", and the people who do not believe Jesus is the messiah will say " I don't believe in the New testament, why are you reading from that? " . Then you tell them it is Isiah. LOVE doing that. Just reading this you KNOW unless taught the wrong way, you KNOW it is Jesus because of its incredible detail!!
that is not a smart response... it's only for people that are not knowledgeable about their faith.... you know jews that are jews but aren't really religious because they don't study... sort of like people who claims to believe in jesus but and wear a cross but in reality they just claim christianity because the fear of hell..... have you actually tried speaking this outloud to a jew at all and see what the response was?
I see the 'rabbi' making some assumptions which are not in the text. For example, he talks about prophets in Isaiah 53 when the text doesn't say so. He says it doesn't refer to one person when the text says 'My servant' and NOT 'servants'. Again, the text does not say 'his seeds' but the rabbi keeps saying his seeds. He also mentions Jeremiah but Jeremiah didn't suffer for his people. He seems to be arguing like a muslim
Why don't you let the guy finish his thoughts? Why do you interrupt every time? Why ask a question if you only wish to hear your own voice inturrupting? You keep making the same point because you don't let the man finish his thought. I'm new to the faith and all I got out of this is that if you don't believe in someone's opinion, you must interrupt them as often as possible and not let them complete a thought, then move on to a new subject.
I don't know Dr. Brown if you read these comments, considering this video is already old from 2017. I just want to say you could have gone further, at the end of the discussion reading what it's written in Deut 18, 18 where YEHOVAH Himself tells Moses "נביא אקים להם מקרב אחיהם כמוך ונתתי דברי בפיו ודבר אליהם את כל אשר אצונו והיה האיש אשר לא ישמע אל דברי אשר ידבר בשמי אנכי מעמו אדרש, this is completely destroying Rabbi Meza of his theory about every suffering prophet as his explanation on Isaiah 53
The people weren't healed by Jeremiah's suffering dude. This guy sows unbelievable amounts of confusion.
Lol
The problem is that he has rejected the Messiah and therefore a spirit of confusion has him bound. The Father is the only one who can open his eyes and bring clarity of truth back to him.
Great Northwest Bear For some reason I thought you were talking about me, I was about to say wait what? But yeah you’re right though.
Dickheads Rebuked - its all good
Great Northwest Bear Lol.
Shalom, Rabbi Meza and Mr. Brown.
With all due respect, you both are mistaken in the point of "Who is speaking" in Isaiah 53:1-9. To understand Isaiah 53, one should start in Isaiah 52-13.
The subject speaking in the beginning of Isaiah 53 are the "kings of the nations" who will have their mouths opened of astonishment upon seeing Israel (the smallest amongst the powerful nations) raised and exalted.
The kings of nations that had Israel captive are saying among themselves : "because of the transgressions of my people he was afflicted".
The Midrash does not mention anything about the Messiah in Isaiah 53. This is wrong! What is said is that "My Servant" (EXPLICITLY DESCRIBED AS BEING ISRAEL SEVERAL TIMES BY ISAIAH) will be raised higher than Moses, higher than the angels, higher than the prophets of Israel.
Know that according to ANY RABBINICAL COMMENTARY the "MY SERVANT" TERM USED IN ISAIAH 41-53 IS ISRAEL, AS IT IS WRITTEN EXPLICITLY IN THE TEXT OF ISAIAH. The term "MY SERVANT" does not change from Isaiah 41 through Isaiah 53, it refers always to ISRAEL.
Rabbi Meza is right about the word "Messiah" does not appear NOT EVEN ONCE IN THE WHOLE TANAKH referring to the figure of the Messiah of the Jewish people. ALL the verses where the word "mashiach" appear in the Tanakh refer to a specific "anointed" person, not to the Messiah himself. NONE of the Messianic verses in the Tanakh mention the word "ha'mashiach" anywhere, but rather talks about how the world will be transformed.
Mr. Brown, the last Messianic chapters of the Prophet Ezekiel clearly tell us that the Messiah will have children himself, and also will bring sacrifice offers to the Temple (the third temple) for his own unintentional sins.
In Isaiah 53:11 the text says clearly that "My servant, the righteous one, by his KNOWLEDGE (NOT by his blood) SHALL CAUSE MANY TO BE JUST (many people of the nations will be just)".
Shouldn't Isaiah have written "by HIS BLOOD My servant, the righteous one, shall cause many to be just" ???
ISRAEL is mentioned in the Tanakh in different ways, as individual, as a "man" (by Isaiah), as a "child" (by Hosea), as a "G-d' first born son" (by Moshe Rabeinu, in Exodus), as a "son of G-d" (by Hosea), as a "nation of priests" (by Moshe, in Exodus), as the "worm of Jacob", etc. despite all these terms are the singular, they refer to the People Israel as a group.
Exodus 4:22
"22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh: Thus saith the LORD: Israel is My son, My first-born."
Hosea 11:1
"1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and out of Egypt I called My son."
Isiah 43
"10 Ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He; before Me there was no God formed, neither shall any be after Me."
Pay close attention to G-d speaking to Israel "You are My WITNESSES, saith the LORD, AND MY SERVANT WHO, I HAVE CHOSEN". "My servant" is a singular term, but it referes to "My WITNESSES" in the plural... so, if you still have any doubt about the singular "My servant" described explicitly by the prophet Isaiah actually refers to a plural "My WITNESSES" (the people Israel), then I don't know what world you live in, Mr. Brown.
Oh, wait, there's more if you are still in doubt about "My servant" referring to Israel.
Isaiah 44:21
"21 Remember these things, O Jacob, and ISRAEL, FOR THOU ART MY SERVANT; I HAVE FORMED THEE, THOU ART MINE OWN SERVANT, O ISRAEL, thou shouldest not forget Me.
And Isaiah repeats this definition of "My servant" all way through chapter 53.
DO CHRISTIANS REALLY FEAR G-D??? If they did, they would NEVER DARE TO interpolate Jesus in the middle of Isaiah, knowing that Isaiah DEFINES EXPLICITLY OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT "MY SERVANT" IS ISRAEL.
With all due respect, it is not even a matter of interpretation, as the term "My servant" is EXPLICITLY IDENTIFIED SEVERAL TIMES AS BEING ISRAEL. It is a matter of CLEAR REJECTION of the text of Isaiah by the Christians, who do want the chapter 53 of Isaiah to be changed only to support their idolatrous ideology.
Convert yourselves to THE ONLY ONE G-D OF ISRAEL, STOP WORSHIPING IDOLS!!! NO MAN, NOR ANY IMAGE OF MAN SHOULD BE WORSHIPED BY ANYBODY WHO FEARS THE G-D OF ISRAEL.
Shalom aleichem! 🇮🇱
P C
“So I will set up One Shepherd over them, My servant David-He will tend them, He will feed them Himself and be their shepherd. I, ADONAI, will be their God, and My servant David will be Prince among them. I, ADONAI, have spoken.”
Ezekiel 34:23-24 TLV
“As a result of the anguish of His soul He will see it and be satisfied by His knowledge. The Righteous One, My Servant will make many righteous and He will bear their iniquities. Therefore I will give Him a portion with the great, and He will divide the spoil with the mighty- because He poured out His soul to death, and was counted with transgressors. For He bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors.”
Isaiah 53:11-12 TLV
God doesn’t please to punish Israel.
Ezekiel 34:12 , it is very interesting the fact that you mixed truly Messianic verses (Ezekiel 34:23-24) with verses that report what will happen to Israel ("My servant") in the Messianic era (Isaiah 53:11-12).
Well, let's start with Ezekiel 34-23-24; these verses talk about "My servant David will be a shepherd over them", indicating that the Messiah will be a direct descendant from king David, and this fact is repeated over and over again by all the prophets of Israel. G-d promised King David that his throne will never lack a king, meaning that the one who will be king over the Jewish people and lead the Jews in the ways of G-D will descend from him (King David). The "shepherd" means simply "the leader", "the one who guides". In fact, the verse 34:24 mentions exactly the word "prince" (as we can read below). And this "shepherd" ("leader") will lead the Jewish people over the mountains of the Land Israel, where they will inhabit in COMPLETE PEACE (thing that hasn't happened). Indeed, after the first century C.E. (period of the Jesus) the Jewish people was expelled to the long exile in the four corners of the world, and have been suffering ALL KINDS OF ATROCITIES by the nations.
Theses verses of Ezekiel are truly talking about the Messiah, who has not yet arrived, as you and everybody else know that the Jewish people are still spread around the world and not ALL living peacefully in the mountains of Israel, as this chapter of Ezekiel mentions.
Ezekiel 34:24-28
24 And I the LORD will be their God, and My servant David prince among them; I the LORD have spoken.
25 And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause evil beasts to cease out of the land; and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods.
26 And I will make them and the places round about My hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in its season; there shall be showers of blessing.
27 And the tree of the field shall yield its fruit, and the earth shall yield her produce, and they shall be safe in their land; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bars of their yoke, and have delivered them out of the hand of those that made bondmen of them.
👉 28 And they shall no more be a prey to the nations, neither shall the beast of the earth devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.
Oops, read very carefully this verse of Ezekiel 34:28. The Holocaust, when over 6 MILLION JEWS were brutally killed in one go by the nations, happened just less than 80 years ago. But didn't G-D say (through the prophet Ezekiel) that when the Messiah is in the world, the people Israel (the Jewish people) "SHALL NO MORE BE A PREY TO THE NATIONS, NEITHER SHALL THE BEAST OF THE EARTH DEVOUR THEM" ???
How could Jesus possibly be the Jewish Messiah mentioned by the prophet Ezekiel in this chapter that you pointed out yourself??
This chapter of Ezekiel proves exactly the point that Jesus is DEFINITELY NOT the Jewish Messiah.
Now, let's just get the correct translation of your verses of Isaiah 53:11-12, because the one you proposed is COMPLETELY WRONG.
Isaiah 53-11-12
יא מֵעֲמַל נַפְשׁוֹ, יִרְאֶה יִשְׂבָּע ,בְּדַעְתּוֹ יַצְדִּיק צַדִּיק עַבְדִּי, לָרַבִּים; וַעֲונֹתָם, הוּא יִסְבֹּל.
11 Of the travail of his soul he shall see to the full, even My servant, by his knowledge DID justify the Righteous One to the many, and their iniquities he DID bear.
יב לָכֵן אֲחַלֶּק-לוֹ בָרַבִּים, וְאֶת-עֲצוּמִים יְחַלֵּק שָׁלָל, תַּחַת אֲשֶׁר הֶעֱרָה לַמָּוֶת נַפְשׁוֹ, וְאֶת-פֹּשְׁעִים נִמְנָה; וְהוּא חֵטְא-רַבִּים נָשָׂא, וְלַפֹּשְׁעִים יַפְגִּיעַ.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion among the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty; because he bared his soul unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Isaiah is narrating the trajectory of Israel from chapter 41 through 53. Israel (the righteous ones) is defined explicitly several times as "My servant" from chapters 41 through 53, and talks prophetically about their exile in Babylon. The righteous "Jews" were exiled in Babylon together with the wicked "Jews" for over 70 years due to the transgressions of the wicked ones amongst them. And all that generation that went to Babylon died in Babylon, and never returned to Jerusalem. Even the righteous "Jews" were buried together with the transgressors in Babylon ("because he bared his soul unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors").
There was no punishment of the righteous with death whatsoever. This is an idea invented by ignorant Christianity of first centuries C.E. that has lasted until today. The righteous was carried away to Babylon together with the transgressors to instill the good ways of G-d among the people Israel. The righteous ones should bring back the ones astray. The purpose of G-d allowing the righteous ones ("My servant") to be sent to the exile was rather a support and example to the wicked ones. Only when they all together realized that ONLY ONE way of justice existed (the way of G-D of Israel), they were allowed to return to Jerusalem to rebuild the Temple and the city destroyed by Nabuchadnaser. But the generation that returned was born in Babylon, it was not the same who went unto the exile. That generation who went unto the exile in Babylon (righteous ones and wicked ones) died and was buried in Babylon.
I hope you read the texts in context, for a text without context is just a pretext.
Shalom!! 🇮🇱
GM P , it is not worth it debating with people who REJECT explicit passages of the Tanakh. Mr. Brown knows the truth himself, but he convinces people otherwise because of his personal gain by doing so. He is not that stupid of a man to not see the truth. Even my 8 year-old niece reads the Bible and understands clearly that the term "My Servant" is used for Israel, because it is said explicitly by the Prophet Isaiah. This is about basic text reading skills, which the Christians seem to lack.
Mr. Brown is a deceitful man and he will have to present before HaShem's court one day and explain himself. He can fool men, but not The Eternal.
Shalom, Shalom!
GM P, of course it is worth it explaining the misconception that Christianity created around the Hebrew Scripture... there are a lot of people who need clarification, and I'm happy if I can help. However, debating with someone like Mr. Brown, who knows the truth and still wants to fool people and himself, is completely pointless.
GM P, your tactic sounds ingenuous, but you know what you are trying to do... I was not born yesterday. You know Mr. Brown's perspective and you also know every single point that I've explained clearly in details. No need to debate anyone. This is not a competition; this is a matter of you deciding to accept either G-d's words or Paul's words. New Testament is opposite to Tanakh. If you know in your heart what is true, you should know where to go.
You are absolutely right: you won't force me or anyone to do something so ridiculous such as debating somebody so discredited like Mr. Brown.
Stay out of trouble.
Shalom
The Servant song of Isaiah 53 parallels II Kings in parts concerning King Hezekiah . There are some who suggest that King Hezekiah suffered of the pigment distorting disease of old world leprosy as well. This narrative is the Kings and leaders that surrounded Judah during the stand down. Imagine the handful of survivors that told the tale of the Assyrian army completely devastated in this miraculous turn of events. Who would believe our report?
Rabbi Asher Meza knows that Jews stopped talking Torah, to Christians, a long time ago; because of the J.C. conflict of interest. Now I propose to reveal for the first time, that which has never been discussed, which is the only explanation to the Chapter and verses discussed here. There were 12 tribes in Israel, but the house became divided, and as a result impossible to stand, or stave off an Assyrian assault, going in and taking the 10 tribes of Israel to Assyria. This Chapter explained by the 10 tribes, bares their own guilt, caused by their idolatrous behavior, which caused wars and then abandonment. The Gentiles have had their way with Judah and Benjamin, since then; as these two tribes were downtrodden for 2300 years; and mistakenly blamed for and by the 10 tribes. This took in the blame that Judah(now called Jews, had killed their pascal lamb. When in fact this chapter tells the truth about a plural group, in singular fashion; as none other than the ones who God saved and sent to Babylon for safe keeping, for their sin of not keeping the 7th year smittah. Isaiah is talking about sinful Israel; reveals the fact Judah was saved, when the Assyrians attacked. Lastly how all honor and glory goes to Judah/Benjamin as the holy one of Israel, that 10 men of the tribe/nations would come to take hold of to learn Judaism. And this my friends will rejoin the stick of Israel to Judah, and not the fictitious, idolatrous religion of Christianity. What were you never told which will hurl you through time and space??? That the 10 tribes of Israel were never lost, but were the known to Judah in Jerusalem as across the Euphrates river, which sent the caravan for their king Jesus story. Israel known as Parthia, never told to you, existed and was a nemesis to Rome in that day. Stay to the Torah, and don't let Dr. Brown bamboozle you!!! Shalom
When you type in Isaiah 53 in youtube, not a whole lot comes up, seems like there would be soo much on it.
Theres merit to the Rabbi's interpretation. But the unity of the songs, the unique status, and the absolutely archetypal way in which Jesus fits these passages leaves very little room for doubt this is a stunning messianic prophecy.
Christians don’t claim Isaiah 53 talks about The LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Torah itself states Isaiah 53 refers to JESUS CHRIST our Lord and Savior
GOD said he will blind the Jews until they recognized him who they pierced, but how blind can you be to deny the obvios and most logical interpretation of Isaiah 53 is beyond my understanding, but GOD has the answer for it
That apparently only applies to some as many Jews are coming to Christ, however you’re right the vail will be removed once the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, or something like that anyways Amen. And yeah you’re right this attempt on the other guys part is pathetic.
Rabbi Meza's interpretation of Isaiah 53 is actually something I've been entertaining for some time lately. I would take it a few different ways, however. I wouldn't say it is just the prophets and martyrs of the Jews, but the prophets and martyrs of the world. I would include Martin Luther King Jr., Socrates, Gandhi, and others as well. Many of the Righteous Among the Nations would be on this list.
Whenever society becomes corrupted, God sends a messenger to warn them of their ways. But more often than not, the world hates those who call out their evil. But the evil needs to be called out because it leads the society to destruction if they do not repent. Perhaps the society will turn back after they are appalled by their evil, and how they treated the prophet who warned them (They will look on the one whom they have pierced). They will then turn from their sin in shame, thus their society will be saved (By his stripes we are healed). Other times they will not turn back and their society will be destroyed. Then the history books will recall the wisdom of the prophet and contrast it with the folly of the people (Therefore I will give him a portion among the great).
Even with this interpretation, it is far from getting Jesus off the hook of being the subject of Isaiah 53. Rabbi Meza confirmed this, that Jesus would count in his interpretation. Even Jewish literature talks about the evil of the generation of Jesus' time, so the people were ripe for a prophet, and the very messages Jesus taught are exactly the kind that addressed the people's evil, -the rich pharisees exploiting the poor and acting righteous on the outside.
But it cannot suffice to say that Jesus was only a prophet like Isaiah. He claimed to be God (or else his followers claimed him to be). If Jesus was not God, he is either a heretic, or his message got terribly corrupted. And since it seems his followers were genuinely convinced he did rise from the dead, then we must say his message was corrupted by God himself. So we cannot say Jesus was a mere prophet. Instead, I would take it a step further: not only is Jesus one among the many prophets Isaiah 53 is about, but he is the gold-standard. The archetype itself points to Jesus as the ultimate prophet.
Spiritual things have to be spiritually discerned.
God's word is clear. The boy was just ill prepared.
Ahhh so we need to read the hebrew in order to understand this.
Because God has no way to reach out to the world in their own language.
This is what happens when you stop listening to the spirit of God.
@A. David Ever I see nothing wrong with going back to Hebrew and greek but to say that the spirit of GOD cannot reveal truth to any man in any language is crazy.
All y’all need to read this article. Will shed some light on the subject.
hethathasanear.com/Yeshua.html
This is what the Muslims say when their religion is questioned.
2 Corinthians 3:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
Dr. Brown is amazingly insightful and Rabbi Meza is a polite and a seemingly good man. I agree wholeheartedly with Dr. Brown even though I felt that he interupts Rabbi Meza too often. Perhaps that is common in Jewish debates (I don't know), and he did give the Rabbi a chance to get his points accross especially at the end.
I’m greatly honoured Dr Browns cause to prove that 53rd chapter of Isiah is talking about the Messiah. But it is the blinding of the Jew, which is now blessing the Gentiles. Once the day & time of Gentiles is over, this spiritual vale will be removed by Joshua himself, when he comes to deliver his people the Jew and bring them into the Kingdom.
It's good to see that what we have is a respectful debate, even in the midst of a strong disagreement.
I think Dr. Brown clearly wins the argument, but unfortunately winning an argument has never closed this gap.
May ABBA FATHER YEHOVAH open the eyes of this Rabbi Meza, I pray the veil will be taken off of his eyes, the scales fall from his eyes, so he may see his own Jewish MESSIAH YESHUA, blessed be HIS HOLY NAME, with his own eyes, and be Saved....soon🙏☝️
The Rabbi contradicted himself in different occasions and the only way out of his contradictions was by saying the verses are spoken in a parabolic way, even if this chapter of Isaiah 53 is as clear as pure waters. This won't change YESHUA IS the Jewish MESSIAH spoken in Daniel chapt 9 to be cut off before the destruction of the 2nd temple.
Yehovah has become my Yeshua..amen.
@Noé André
An artist impression of the face on the shroud of turin.
@Noé André
It's an interpretation of the face of a tortured man found on the shroud of Turin. It's a matter of individual belief or faith to say it's the face of Jesus.
@Noé André
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Isaiah 53:1 “Who has believed our message? And to whom has the Arm Of The LORD been Revealed?”
Isaiah 51:9 “Awake, awake, Arm Of The LORD, clothe Yourself With Strength! Awake As In Days Gone By, As in Generations Of Old. Was it not You Who Cut Rahab (Egypt) To Pieces, Who Pierced That Monster Through?
Who Was In The Desert With The Israelites? The LORD/Holy Spirit/Angel of The LORD! Exodus 14:19-20 and Psalm 95.
Isaiah 1:24-31 too long to write here.
Isaiah 33:10-24 too long to write here.
The LORD Almighty is who you are looking for.
He does come in search of his people, but none are found.
Isaiah 63:5 “I looked, but there was NO ONE TO HELP (that includes Jesus), I was appalled that NO ONE gave support; So My Own Arm Achieved Salvation for me, And My Own Wrath sustained me.”
Isaiah 50:2 “When I Came, WHY WAS THERE NO ONE? When I Called, WHY WAS THERE NO ONE TO ANSWER? Was My Arm To Short To Deliver You? Do I Lack The Strength To Rescue You? By A Mere Rebuke I Dry Up The Sea, I Turn Rivers Into A Desert; Their Fish Rot For Lack Of Water and Die Of Thirst.” I encourage you to read all the chapter. Keep in mind that the LORD Almighty is Speaking and the Sovereign LORD (Consciousness) is outside of all creation, thus knowing all things and controlling all events. In other words: the LORD Almighty’s Consciousness is out of creation while the physical manifestation in in creation. And they talk about one another.
No Jesus required and no Son of God/Father required. Actually, funny fact - the Father is the LORD Almighty who is the Redeemer, Savior and Holy one of Israel. No Jesus required.
Nice work, now through all 53.
Jesus was the Passover lamb he was inspected for three days and was found without blemish can God put his wrath on a sinless soul can God punish a righteous man Jesus laid down his life no one took it he laid it down and he raised it up not the father Jesus his own words he laid it down he brought it back up
While Jonah suffered when he was sent to wicked individuals it was suffering he brought upon himself. He did not suffer at the hands of the wicked.
It is clear that Isaiah 53 is referring to a specific individual, because the text is in the singular, and because from Isaiah 40 onward, this servant is described in such biographical detail that it could not possibly be applied to a group of people. Rabbi Asher also failed to account for how the language in Isaiah 53 appears to be talking about an expiatory sacrifice -- appealing to the ambiguity of the pronoun "for" can't account for all the verses which appear to talk about expiation (v 10-11: the servant is an "Offering for sin" that makes many "righteous"), or how the servant's death has a causal effect on the healing of the Israelite people. Too many of Dr. Brown's points went unanswered here, but it was a good debate from both men.
God is longsuffering as we have read in the Old Testament but this same attribute of God is found in the New Testament as well since God never changes as we read in Malachi 3:6, “For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed” but he also shows us great patience which is just another word for longsuffering. Paul is concerned that we might take God’s longsuffering for granted which is why he wrote “Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance” (Rom 2:4) because for Paul it was “for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life” (1st Tim 1:16). Peter knew a lot about longsuffering as he betrayed Jesus three times and yet wants us to “consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation-as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you” (2nd Pet 3:15) since “The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance” (2nd Pet 3:9).
At 27 minutes in Dr Brown insists that by the suffering servant's bruises or suffering isreal is healed. That did not happen when Yeshuah exited the building. The temple was destroyed, Israel has been persecuted for over 2000 years, how did Yeshuah fulfil the verse in question during this debate? I respect Dr Brown he possesses much wisdom no doubt about it and his desire to serve God but his desire to exalt Yeshuah is heavier . There are 40,000 plus denominations/sects that all have their own take on their interpretation of the bible. Has Yeshuah truly brought healing to the nations or more separation/antisemitism? There have been many wise people that have risen up in history that bring healing. In many cultures there are claims to have a "chosen one". Look at Catholicism that has many saints including the virgin Mary and millions of their followers today claim to see them and receive miracles. The only point i want to get across is there is no salvation from anyone else but יחוח, He is our healer, He is our Master, He is our protector and there is no one else with Him or beside Him.
See now that I, I am He, And there is no Elohim besides Me. I put to death and I make alive. I have wounded, and I heal. And from My hand no one delivers!
Deḇarim (Deuteronomy) 32:39
By the Word of יהוה the heavens were made, And all their host by the Spirit of His mouth, Gathering the waters of the sea together as a heap; Laying up the deep in storehouses.
Tehillim (Psalms) 33:6-7
“You are My witnesses,” declares יהוה, “And My servant whom I have chosen, so that you know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no Ěl formed, nor after Me there is none. “I, I am יהוה, and besides Me there is no saviour. “I, I have declared and saved, and made known, and there was no foreign mighty one among you. And you are My witnesses,” declares יהוה, “that I am Ěl. “Even from the day I am He, and no one delivers out of My hand. I work, and who turns it back?” “I am יהוה, your Set-apart One, Creator of Yisra’ĕl, your Sovereign.”
Yeshayah (Isaiah) 43:10-13, 15
with respect to everyone on the comment box, shalom
This is probably the bjs toon I've seen.
Everyone who has accepted Christ has been healed. That Israel rejects him and therefore are not healed it their fault.
Yeshua prophecyed the war between the Jews and Romans and that the romans will destroy the temple and Judea
Look matth 24 luke 21 mark 13
And he said how and in which time the believer can escape. And the history PROVE THAT THIS HAPPEND
*Isaiah 52,10*
The Lord will lay bare *his holy arm* in the sight of all the nations and all the ends of the earth will see the salvation of our God.
*Isaiah 53,1-2*
1 Who has believed our message and to whom has *the arm of the Lord* been revealed?
2 *He* grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. *He* had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
*Isaiah 63,5*
I looked, but there was no one to help, I was appalled that no one gave support;
so *my own arm* achieved salvation for me, and my own wrath sustained me.
*Isaiah 53,11-12*
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and *he was numbered with the transgressors;* and he bare the sin of many, and *made intercession* for the transgressors.
*Isaiah 59,16*
And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that *there was no intercessor:* therefore *his arm* brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
*Luke 22,37*
It is written: *‘And he was numbered with the transgressors;* and I (Jesus) tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”
*Isaiah 33,2*
*O Lord,* be gracious unto us; we have waited for thee: *be thou their arm* every morning, our salvation also in the time of trouble.
*Isaiah 51,9*
Awake, awake, put on strength, *O arm of the Lord;* awake, *as in the ancient days, in the generations of old.* Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?
*Micah 5,2*
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, *yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.*
*Isaiah 40,10*
Behold, the Lord God will come with strong hand, and *his arm shall rule for him:* behold, *his reward is with him, and his work before him.*
*Rev. 22,12-13*
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and *my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.*
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
*Matthew 16,27*
For *the Son of man* shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then *he shall reward every man according to his works.*
*Psalms 98,9*
Before the Lord; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.
*John 5,22*
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
*Isaiah 51,4-5*
4 Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.
5 My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and *mine arms* shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on *mine arm* shall they trust.
*Isaiah 48,12-17*
12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; *I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.*
13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and *his arm* shall be on the Chaldeans.
*15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.*
16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: *and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.*
*17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God* which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
*Isaiah 63,1-6*
1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3 *I have trodden the winepress alone;* and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; *and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments,* and I will stain all my raiment.
4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore *mine own arm* brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.
*Rev. 19,11-16*
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
*13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.*
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: *and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.*
*16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.*
*Exalted, Extolled, High, Lifted up*
*(Hebrew: "Ram" & "Nissa")*
*Isaiah 6,1*
In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, *high and exalted,* and the train of his robe filled the temple. (Ram & Nissa)
*Isaiah 57,15*
For thus says the One who is *high and lifted up,* who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: “I dwell in the high and holy place, and also with him who is of a contrite and lowly spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly, and to revive the heart of the contrite. (Ram & Nissa)
*Isaiah 33,5*
The Lord is *exalted;* for he dwelleth on *high:* he hath filled Zion with judgment and righteousness. (Ram & Nissa)
*Isaiah 33,10*
*Now will I rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself.* (Ram & Nissa)
*Isaiah 52,10+13*
10 The Lord hath made bare *his holy arm* in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
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13 Behold, *my servant* shall deal prudently, he shall be *exalted and extolled, and be very high.* (Ram & Nissa)
*Hebrew 1,3*
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, *when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high*
*Psalm 110,1*
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
*Isaiah 9,6*
For unto us *a child is born, unto us a son is given:* and the government shall be upon his shoulder: *and his name shall be called* Wonderful, Counsellor, *The mighty God,* The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
*Isaiah 10,20-21*
20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto *the mighty God.*
*Titus 3,4*
But after that the kindness and love of *God our Saviour* toward man appeared,
*Titus 3,6*
Which he shed on us abundantly through *Jesus Christ our Saviour;*
*Isaiah 43,10-11*
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that *I am he:* before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
*11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.*
*John 8,24*
I (Jesus) said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that *I am he,* ye shall die in your sins.
Isiah 43:1
@@Majobri
What do you want to say with that?
@@swissapologetics Israel in the singular
@@Majobri
Yes and in Isaiah 49 it are two Israels. One is the Messiah, called Israel, and the other is the Nation Israel.
@@swissapologetics Isaiah 49:6 our Rabbis of blessed memory say that this servant prophesied about the downfall of babylon. But even so, Isiah 49:7 is talking about the nation of Israel so not 2 Israel, same Israel
The ultimate sacrifice to humanity wasn't of animals blood, but with the blood of the son of man "Jesus Christ", the only saviour of humanity.
Add Isaiah 53 is talking about someone buried with the rich and resurrected.
Enoch 45
1. Parable the second, respecting these who deny the NAME of the HABITATION of the HOLY ONES, and of the Lord of spirits
Enoch 46
2. He answered and said to me, This is the SON OF MAN, to whom righteousness belongs; with whom righteousness has DWELT; and who will REVEAL all the treasures of that which is concealed: for the Lord of spirits has CHOSEN HIM; and his portion has surpassed all before the Lord of spirits in everlasting uprightness
Enoch 47
3. At that time I beheld the Ancient of days, while he sat upon the throne of his glory, while the book of the living was opened in his presence, and while all the powers which were above the heavens stood around and before him
4. Then were the hearts of the SAINTS full of joy, because the consummation of righteousness was arrived, the supplication of the saints heard, and the blood of the righteous appreciated by the Lord of spirits
Enoch 48
6. In his presence he EXISTED, and has REVEALED to the SAINTS and to the righteous the WISDOM of the Lord of spirits; for he has preserved the lot of the righteous, because they have HATED and REJECTED this world of iniquity, and have detested all its works and ways, in the name of the Lord of spirits
11. In his presence shall they fall, and not be raised up again; nor shall there be any one to take them out of his hands, and to lift them up: for they have DENIED the LORD OF SPIRITS, and HIS MESSIAH The name of the Lord of spirits shall be blessed
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By the way for those jews who received Him as their own, no problem for them about being raptured. But as it was in the time of Noah, those who refused Him will be left behind to sort out they salvation. Although the 144.000 will be jews already converted.
I say Isaiah 53 is speaking of the marters of Israel as in context with the previous and preceding chapters it speaks of the redemption of zion (which would be understood as the rightious of Israel) from their long exile after which they "will be lifted up and exulted very high" and "many nations will be startled and kings will shut their mouths because of him" etc. Also throughout the book of Isaiah, Israel is refferred to as the servant of the Lord. For example it says "You Israel are my servant, you whome I have called from the ends of the earth and have said unto you you are my servant." Etc.
Isaiah 53 is already fulfilled because the nations already know it = The servant is the messiah!!!
52:15 is after Isaiah 53 has been fulfilled! otherwise the verse 52,15 would be nonsense! ⚠️⚠️⚠️ How can Isaiah 52:15 enter before Isaiah 53 is fulfilled?⚠️⚠️⚠️ the nations + kings! Will close their mouth in amazement before something is even fulfilled? And before something is fulfilled, we will see something that has not yet been fulfilled! And we will understand what has not happened yet!
!!Therefore, in Isaiah 53, the nations cannot speak. = The servant is the messiah!!!
And Isaiah 53 is already fulfilled because the nations already know it
...😳😳😳 this guy isn't looking at his Bible. His argument makes now sense.
"Prophets suffer, therefore, this is about all prophets."
Dr. brown "Yeah, but Isaiah 52:13 says he is more highly exalted than anyone."
"You're quoting midrash."
Dr b "No, that's the Bible."
"You're not allowed to quote that because we don't agree on it."
What?!
While I believe in Torah and seek to obey it as much as possible, I am a Christian seeking beyond the anti-semitic doctrines handed down through ‘Gentile church fathers’. There is so much in the Tanahk that suppers Yahshua as being the Messiah of Israel and I believe Dr. Brown is more sound in his understanding this. I have a heart for the Jewish people and have been criticized as being a Jew by many Christians for my advocacy and practice of Torah in the Spirit of Messiah. I don’t believe debates are the way, however, it can meet people where they are, which seems to meet many Jews where they are. But Dr. Brown certainly handles himself in a godly way and in love. I love seeing testimonies of Jews who find Messiah as they are all looking for something beyond religion and traditions - they are looking for something real! I believe that, generally speaking, that if a Jew pursues YHWH in a way of faith rather than tradition, that Jew will find their Messiah. While I don’t want to go into a long array of supporting Scriptures, the ‘New Testament’ (which I believe is a misleading name for the B’rit Chadasha) supports Torah and so does the apostle Paul. It does reject Talmudism or man made traditions that supersede the Scriptures.
The Bible, including the Messianic Writings, are verifiable in many ways and critiques from atheists, Muslims, and even Jews (while Jews seem to be the strongest critiques levied against the Messianic Writings), they are all found, in my opinion, wanting and all of the Jews I have heard try to rebut Messiah as Yahshua need to come up with abstract things to explain Yahshua away. Many Jews don’t have a problem with Yahshua, rather the problem lies with Paul.
For me, I am a Bible believer seeking to following Yah in the Halacha of Messiah as best I can, empowered by the Spirit of Yah/Messiah and have had many supernatural experiences; I have been delivered from demons and have been and seen many people healed from various ailments. My life has radically changed for the better. I am a free man in Messiah! Here, no one can argue against. For me, the subjective only upholds and confirms the objective truth of Yahshua sitting on the throne, at the right hand of YHWH, making intercession for the transgressors! May the truth and love of Yah constrain us and may as many Jewish brethren seek Yah openly and by faith and come into the fullness and reality of their Jewish identity! Praise Yah that I am an Israelite now, engrafted into believing Israel, because of what Messiah did and He will come back and rule the earth! Shalom and amen!
I would like to point to Isaiah 59:16 where it talks about the LORD himself interceding and bringing salvation by *His own arm* because he did not find any who would do it. And what does 53 says? It says to whom has the *arm of the LORD* been revealed?!
The thing the Rabbi misses, is there has only ever been one good teacher.
No one can understand this verse if people still don't know who is this person but I think this is nearly going to happen
Am I the only one that notices Dr Brown interruption of every person or rabbi that tries to get a clear point across? He interrupts all the time.
Isaiah 53 is already fulfilled because the nations already know it = The servant is the messiah!!!
52:15 is after Isaiah 53 has been fulfilled! otherwise the verse 52,15 would be nonsense! ⚠️⚠️⚠️ How can Isaiah 52:15 enter before Isaiah 53 is fulfilled?⚠️⚠️⚠️ the nations + kings! Will close their mouth in amazement before something is even fulfilled? And before something is fulfilled, we will see something that has not yet been fulfilled! And we will understand what has not happened yet!
!!Therefore, in Isaiah 53, the nations cannot speak. = The servant is the messiah!!!
And Isaiah 53 is already fulfilled because the nations already know it
Jesus is the Messiah! Isaiah 52:15 is after Isaiah 53 has been fulfilled! So we know the nations cannot speak as the rabbis interpret it in Isaiah 53 because those who spoke in Isaiah 53: 1 heard the words of the proclamation but did not believe!
but it is said of the nations! they do not know anything about it until it is fulfilled! So the nations should not even know that the rabbis are waiting for the Messiah who will make them great and strong again!
52,15 so he will sprinkle many nations,[4] and kings will shut their mouths because of him. For what ⚠️⚠️⚠️they were NOT TOLD, they will see, and what they have NOT HEARD⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️, they will understand.
WE READ ONE SENTENCE FURTHER!
53,1 1 Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
WHAT AN INTERPRETATION OF LIES BY THE RABBIS
So only the Israelites can speak in Isaiah 53!
@@Hannestv4607 Why would you feel the need to share that? Jesus never did anything to be called the messiah. All I see from you is, that the nations this the natuons that. The nation's know that Isaiah 52 came after Isaiah 53 😆 🤣 😂 what da heck are you talking about! You make no sense whatsoever!
Isaiah 52 as you said are the kings of nations talking. However, they have recognized and are astonished because that "ISRAEL the SERVANT" were right all along. Isaiah 53 where the servant Israel suffered has happened. Doesn't the Holocaust count? The suffering servant is ISRAEL and the nations are to follow the God of Israel. It's not Israel that has to follow the gods of the nations! Your Jesus was a fabrication of Rome. It doesn't matter if the characters and locations Rome used were Jewish. The underlying message of the NT is PAGAN!
Houston we have a problem.... Orthodox rabbis say Oral law was inspired and given at Sinai with Torah, that it is truth, but yet we have all these different rabbis teaching differently on Isaiah 53... I think the game of circular telephone is broken. lol So much for inspired oral law lol
courtneybrad That makes no sense! The book of Isaiah is not Torah, it's from the "Prophets".
LOL, Um, I am very aware of that. You do understand that rabbis teach from more than just Torah and claim its from oral law right?
The Messiah has to be from the line of David. He had to come from Christ
era.
He couldn't possibly come now, because it would be, absolutely
impossible to prove that your from the " line of David" because the
temples been destroyed. Thats where the records were kept .
As a nation, the people of Israel, while desiring the advent of the
Messiah, were so far separated from God in heart and life that they
could have no true conception of the character or mission of the
promised Redeemer. Instead of desiring redemption from sin, and the
glory and peace of holiness, their hearts were fixed upon deliverance
from their national foes, and restoration to worldly power.
They looked for Messiah to come as a conqueror, to break every yoke,
and exalt Israel to dominion over all nations. Thus Satan had succeeded
in preparing the hearts of the people to reject the Saviour when He
should appear. Their own pride of heart, and their false conceptions of
His character and mission, would prevent them from honestly weighing the
evidences of His Messiahship.
For more than a thousand years the Jewish people had waited the
coming of the promised Saviour. Their brightest hopes had rested upon
this event. For a thousand years, in song and prophecy, in temple rite
and household prayer, His name had been enshrined; and yet when He came,
they did not recognize Him as the Messiah for whom they had so long
waited.
"He came unto His own, and His own received Him not." John 1:11.
To their world-loving hearts the Beloved of heaven was "as a root out
of a dry ground." In their eyes He had "no form nor comeliness;" they
discerned in Him no beauty that they should desire Him. Isaiah 53:2.
"He couldn't possibly come now, because it would be, absolutely
impossible to prove that your from the " line of David" because the
temples been destroyed. Thats where the records were kept "
*That makes no sense . It's like claiming that the Gog and Magog war must have been fulfilled already since we don't know wo are the Magogites now. The Messiah won't be appointed by people but by G-d himself so it's irrelevant whether the Jews know they're genealogy . God knows , it's enough.*
The Jews rejected Jesus since there are *clear prophecies* about the Messiah and he didn't fulfilled them . What it has to do with their hearts being seperated from G-d ? The Jews in 7th century Arabia also rejected Muhammad so were they wrong also then ?
"He came unto His own, and His own received Him not." John 1:11
To their world-loving hearts the Beloved of heaven was "as a root out
of a dry ground." In their eyes He had "no form nor comeliness;" they
discerned in Him no beauty that they should desire Him. Isaiah 53:2
Quoting a lier can't prove nothing . Matthew , Mark and Luke claimed that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan in 9 o'clock and John claimed that he was crucified on the 14th day of Nisan in 12 o'clock , so he clearly was an unreliable person .
The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.
Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying.
Gradually I began to hate them.
The requirements of this "highly exualted" figure should also include "sprinkle many nations" (isa 52:15) and there is no prophet who are called to sprinkle many nations except the Messiah Himself and when the text says that "He will be highly exualted", there is only one possible candidate and that is the Messiah, Jesus Christ.
The obfuscation by Meza reminds me of the cognitive dissonance of the Jehovah's Witnesses. They both seem to read a text, and then it is processed thru their presuppositions, and it comes out garbled and incoherent. Just read the text for what it ways, then you can either accept it, or reject it. Trying to say the text doesn't say what it does just makes you look thick-headed, just like JWs. It is frustrating to listen when the Scriptures are clear, but the presuppositions prevail in the mind of those who are perishing.
I find it quite strange, as Christians, we can accept any and all scripture as God's given word and we do not need to make up wild accusations or crazy interpretations to make it sound like it is saying something it is not, while ALL other false religions and heretics need to do exactly that, as well as completely ignore what certain passages and verses from scripture teaches us.
We'll all find out in the end, but my salvation is in Christ, YOU can choose what you want!
Neither do we need to hide behind any particular languages, as though the original translators were stupid, and they culdn't convey what the words meant!
God has no language, He can communicate to anyone anywhere, if you need to make your "god" weak by trying to say he can't protect and transmit his words properly, even through men, then you can keep your weak god, I'm sticking with the Almighty!