The core issue with this trilogy is that it was poorly managed (by the producers or other top executives). We have a three-part story being made by different people with almost no coordination between them. It could have been so much better if we had the same person/people writing the whole story.
JJ crammed at least 2 movies into it. It's like he wanted to remake or add parts of his version of 8 to this movie and then do his version of 9. This movie could've easily been like 5 hours long.
That's really what it was. TFA is a reboot of 4, TLJ is like it's own stand alone movie, JJ had to do 3 movies worth of traveling and charecter development into 1 film.
Yes! Out of all the people I saw discuss this film, only these two guys nail that The opening crawl about the emperor's message should have been in the Last Jedi, There is a moment the Rebels put out a call and having the Emperor respond message go out would be Hype as fuck.
It's a bummer too. I was initially really excited Disney announced ep 7. I was also one of the few that had a bad feeling about it all when I saw the trailer for ep 7. I was like... Ohhh they're not going to try anything new or expand the universe. They're just playing it safe and leaning on nostalgia.
I’m so goddamned relieved to hear you two share your unfiltered thoughts on this. Especially Lawrence’s objections to TLJ; so refreshing to hear thoughtful and intellectually-consistent arguments 🙏🏼
Force Healing is a light side force ability. So Anakin could have learned it. But once he turned to the dark side that ability is lost. So he couldn't have saved Padme. Palpatine did not heal himself back to life. I thought it was implied he attached his essence onto his body. Sort of like Voldemort. The Harry Potter analogies are spot on
Matt H. Quit trying to explain or make excuses for shitty writing and rushed screenplays. These movies had no plan or consensus among those who were making them, and they couldn't care less about the people they were making them for.
They didn't tease the emperor at the end of TLJ because the made it all up as they went along. They had no plan. They didn't expect to bring him back but kinda had to after Rian killed off who was suppose to be the antagonist of the trilogy in the 2nd movie of the trilogy.
The original director for episode 9 even came out and said he had no plans to bring the emperor back. They genuinely just let each director do whatever they wanted to. At least the prequels had a consistent and coherent story across all 3 movies that made sense.
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 I think JJ had no plans to bring the Emperor back because Snoke was supposed to be in the Emperor's place. But, Episode 8 killed Snoke off like nothing so they had no choice but to write around it. I think JJ could've gotten away with saying Snoke wasn't actually dead, he just went into hiding, but I digress.
Spoilers for Rebels but Obi Wan says Jedis use the force for knowledge and defense, and when Maul comes for revenge, Obi Wan still kills him, but only does so by countering Maul's attack, which is self-defense. I think the Emperor's schtick is to bait Jedi into attacking him with hate so they are tempted, but he doesn't try to strike them so they are not acting in self defense. That's just the lore though, what he does here is stupid.
Not even a spoiler: Opening crawl: is palpatine alive? 30sec later: im baaAack! Kylo ren then voices the audience: "i have so many questions, finally i can get some answers..." Palpatine: NOPE it was mee, alll along.
@@Featherwick @Featherwick didnt they say it like a question tho? Something like: the emperor is alive? Kylo found clues that wil lead him to the possible blabla... Oh cool, a kylo ren adventure act. Nope act concluded 30 seconds later with palpatine going "lol im back now u listen to me lmaooo"
Theres no way Kylo was more powerful than anakin at the end of revenge. Anakin was made of the force. And throughout the whole trilogy kylo was trying to be as strong as Vader
My favorite bullshit 'bit' of the movie Spoiler ahead: The end spacefight improv... 1 star destroyer has death star gun = another death star end game, sigh. 2 1000 star destroyers, just adding bigger numbers to make it hype... 3 the weak spot is A SINGLE ANTENNA. 4 Finn INSTANTLY knows this weak spot and goes for it. 5 general pryde INSTANTLY knows this and rerouts this to ONE stardestroyer. 6 finn INSTANTLY knows this, and knows the new weak spot is a NEW ANTENNA! 7 so the new plan is to launch a ground troop attack with horses on the exterior of a star destroyer to throw some grenades under the antenna instead of just shooting it with something. wut?
@@YonkoDonko Possibly the same tech as Droideka shields from Clone Wars. Blasters won't penetrate, but Ahsoka showed people on Dantooine that you could roll a grenade at a slow enough speed that it goes through. So blaster fire wouldn't take it out due to shielding I assume, but they could get a ground team inside the shielding with bombs. @cloudsRniceC0M3 Also, Finn definitely has some force abilities, was how he could sense where the weakspot is, also is an Ex-Stormtroopepr so would know potential layouts of key systems, even if it is an old Imperial Star Destroyer, is probably very similar to First Order tech. I'm not trying to excuse some of the weird no planning things of this movie, just giving a possible explanation.
@@Mosan13 that would make sense why would they just not turn the ship or go to another antenna why would only one planet killing star destroyer have a radar dish
@@fullm3tal90 maybe it's a one or the other thing. like, if you liked tfa, then you were probably disappointed by tlj not being cohesive with it, but if you didn't like tfa, then you maybe appreciate tlj for what it is - a pretty good film that should not be in a trilogy. I personally like tfa over tlj any day, but I also like tpm over rots, so what do i know?
Dude's 0 for 3 on lightning strikes. Got bailed out by Anakin for his only impressive kill too. Emperor has to be the most overrated villian in cinematic history
i feel like this trilogy is like James says about you shouldn't do in sketch comedy, someone sets a scene so you should go with it, not just say no and set your own scene, but they do this twice episode 8 and 9 feel like they are just saying "no, that is not what happened " to their respective last movie, there are lots of things don't make sense in 8, but they didn't need to try to unmake every single thing,like the rey family thing, they already did a switcharoo in 8, run with it , don't just unmake it, take makes both 8 and 9 worse off.
@@hughcafritz3997 it is a issue that 8 didn't do it's job right as the middle movie of a trilogy, but to say there was nothing is wrong, i don't agree with lawdowg view of Rian Johnson just subverting everything just cuz he wanted to be smug, there definitely was notes that could direct episode 9, things like the resistance being almost wiped out, a new order that is seemingly so terrifying that the people didn't go help a in-universe legend like Leia, kylo, who is inexperienced and not exactly the most balanced with his emotions, as the supreme commander, rey, who could be a new bastion of hope unbound by the past. There's stuff there that could render a hero's journey, to say there was nothing that they needed to bring back the original villain, in my opinion, is wrong.
@@hughcafritz3997 You could say the same about Episode IV. To claim there is nothing to go off from TLJ is not only disingenuous, it displays a stunning lack of imagination.
Always remember JJ Abrams did not want to be in charge of the trilogy storyline. He wanted to make a fun action film with nostalgia and leave his mystery boxes and walk away.
I felt sad and empty leaving both TLJ and RoS. I was a little mad at Rian Johnson but more so I'm just disappointed and sad because I feel like these movies could've been really cool. At least we got the Mandalorian. Far as I'm concerned these movies are fan fic and everything 1-6 is canon
J.J and Kathleen Kennedy threw out George Lucas' outline for the whole trilogy, Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy threw out JJ Abrams' outline for the entire trilogy, JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy threw out Rian Johnsons' direction for the trilogy. So, we get this, and there's a common denominator there. Begins with a "K."
@@jimjam7928 trust me , i have game of thrones bed covers lmao all the books , yes it wasnt up to par , but it forsure wasnt BAD TV , go watch the walking dead and compare it lolol , it just wasnt the best , it was okay imo, but i agree it was down hill after 5, but i enjoyed it all till to the end , season 8 made me cry , , , , , , because of how bad the fucked it , i really hope we get a book soon , come on GRRM please us
I think this is a pretty apt comparison. I enjoyed GoT season 8, and I enjoyed all the Star Wars movies from the latest trilogy. But they weren't good. However, Rise of Skywalker left me with a sense of closure, whereas the last episode of GoT left me completely hollow. Not good hollow either. I wanted it to break my spirit, and instead it just gave me blue balls. What _did_ end up giving me that catharsis was Kit's speech in the documentary. Fuck, that destroyed me. Thank you Kit, you are the best. And JJ, you're still my favorite director, even if this wasn't exactly great.
TROS left my family heartbroken. Bringing back Palpatine completely retconned Anakin's legacy. He sacrificed himself to save Luke and KILL Palpatine in the OT. That's how Star Wars has been understood and connected with it's audience for decades.
@@RileyE. So 'balance' is only temporary now? That may be how real life works, but that nihilism doesn't have any place in Star Wars. 'Balancing' the Force has always meant the complete destruction of the Sith aka Palpatine/Darth Sidious. That was Anakin's legacy. After TROS, we can't even say Anakin brought this new temporary 'balance' to the Force, because Darth Sidious survived ROTJ. The new heroes are not facing a new foe. They're facing Sidious, no matter how Disney and LFM try to ambiguously spin it.
DescendentCross its not. “balance” was explained by lucas himself. the balance of the force is whenever the light side controls it. the dark side/sith is like a corruption of the force that needs to be wiped away in order to restore balance.
After all this time, coming back to this video gave me an idea. If Force Ghosts can hold physical objects, and physical objects can be teleported from one place to another, then Obi-Wan, Luke, Yoda, Anakin, Leia AND Ben Solo can pick up lightsabers and just appear wherever they want, fighting crime, Sith, monsters, you name it. And even if we accept the idea that it can only happen on Force heavy worlds, those seem to be the most important ones anyway, so they can eternally safeguard whatever ancient temples, artifacts, secrets hidden on them.
You noticed that too? I remember the score was at 86 from 2k reviews up to whatever it's at now. That's only from the verified reviews. The all audience score sits at 78
My biggest issue is the setup for the final ship battle. I’ve yet to hear an explanation for how the rebel ships get there that doesn’t, at the same time, negate the existence of the beacons and why the star destroyers can’t just leave the same way the ships came in.
I think what the person who said resurrection completely undermines Anakin's arc also referred to the fact that he was the chosen one to destroy the Sith, something he does when he redeems himself. But because of this movie Palpatine didn't die and so Vader and Luke didn't necessarily bring balance to the force and weren't good enough. Vader's sacrifice was basically for nothing besides buying them a few years. Then Rey strolls in and with few issues, defeats Palpatine single handedly when he's at his most powerful (I get she had the dead Jedi "in her" but still). And that's still with her barely having any training. They tried to fix it but she's still OP and still had far far less training than even Luke had.
Not only did JJ confirm that Finn was about to tell Rey that he's force sensitive, he also confirmed that originally he was supposed to confess his feelings for her, but they had no chemistry so they scrapped that.
I reallly feel like they should have given this the “part 1 part 2” release strategy. It would have given JJ ample time to answer the open questions. And time for him to wrap up the trilogy satisfyingly.
It would also give JJ more time to learn about already established Star Wars lore and the rules of the universe, but he obviously can't be bothered with such trivial things.
@@richardwainwright507 There are 40 years worth of rough guidelines created by the movies and EU that define the technology and abilities that people can use. Following those rules are important to make sure that the story is logical (for that universe) and doesn't create endless plot holes. Otherwise the story could quickly turn into a confusing mess that doesn't have any real stakes for the characters and can invalidate the decisions of previous characters, which is what we see with this Disney trilogy. Hyperspace is a good example. It has already been established that it is a straight line point-to-point method of travel, can't be activated when the ship is within a gravity well, and the ship will be destroyed if it flies through another gravity well or another object. Basically every pre-Disney movie, book, and video game has followed these rules and it has allowed creative story elements like blockading an area to prevent someone escaping and Interdictor Star Destroyers. Then JJ comes along and seems to think that Hyperspace is just some kind of magic warp where people can go in or out whenever or wherever that want, and that significantly degrades the quality of the story since there are no rules anymore so any character can do any convenient plot thing at any time.
My one wish for the sequel trilogy was that the whole Finn using the lightsaber and Rey not wanting anything to do with the force to be carried out, I think that if Finn continued to use the lightsaber but was never shown to be force sensitive while Rey ends up having to use the force would have been a very interesting dynamic. It could have been something where Unity and teamwork always beat out a single evil in the sense that Kylo is a single sith or the emperor is a single sith. Also, it could have opened things up for a cool ending scene where Rey manages to get a hold of less lightsaber while Finn has Lukes and then it's revealed that Finn is force sensitive and there's a cool fight scene with both Rey and Finn use the full extent of their power, once again tying into an overarching theme of unity ad being stronger when working as a single coherent unit.
They locked the RT score for a couple of days. Few days ago it's STILL sitting on 86% despite getting THOUSANDS of new reviews. Statistically speaking that shouldn't be possible.
So you guys think it made sense for Luke to contemplate murdering his nephew in TLJ? Did you watch the same original trilogy I did? Luke learns the lesson that people can be changed and you don’t have to kill them, by the end of that trilogy. That wasn’t Luke in episode 8
I do think it made sense for Luke to contemplate killing his nephew, especially because I've watched the OT. When Luke fought Vader in ROTJ, his plan was always to redeem his father, until emotions and temptation clouded his judgement and he nearly faltered. TLJ shows that he struggled with exactly that while training Ben. Luke understood better than anyone the destruction that would follow if he allowed Ben to fulfill Luke's vision. Luke experienced the loss of friends and family, witnessed entire civilizations conquered, knows the Big Bads aren't above destroying entire planets because he's seen it. Again in a moment of emotion and temptation, he sought to end it quickly to spare the galaxy another Vader -- and ultimately decided to spare Ben. I find this infinitely more interesting than making Luke infallible, above temptation and emotion, removed from his humanity, and turned into some two-dimensional character who thinks only in "lawful" and "good." It shows that even Jedi Masters, for all their experience and wisdom, can still have these moments the audience can relate to, nearly giving in to passion or shame or anger before coming to their senses. For all the problems I had with TLJ, Luke's character was not one of them.
Finns character ark in FA was he fled, found Rey, stuck with her to flee, then tried to flee with two random space farers, then stuck around only to rescue Rey. In TLJ he immediately asks where Rey is, then tries to flee to find her. He ends the movie trying to give up everything for the resistance, an ark... Then he does nothing in ROSW.
I cant believe Disney did a trilogy and didn't plan it out with how well they planned out marvel and saw what happens when you don't with DC. its mind boggling
@@E7ernalWolf ordinarily I would say no, but when the head of the franchise tries to pretend like they have no source material for adaptation, then proceeds to lift story elements from source material, then yes.
Also what you’re feeling subconsciously is having been conned. It’s how you feel if a con job is done on you; you don’t want to believe implicitly that you’ve been tricked and swindled
Lawrence hit on something I've been struggling to put together with these films when he mentioned transforming human moments into lore. Similarly, it seems like people are so eager for every detail in a visual storytelling medium to be literal and secretly relevant. Finn using a lightsaber in episode seven wasn't some inexplicable feat, but somehow "he touched a lightsaber" became "he must be a jedi." The broom kid at the end of episode eight seemed explicitly symbolic to me (i.e., touching on the themes of jedi not owning the force and inspiration mattering), but so many people jumped to the conclusion that he's going to be the next protagonist. Rey and Kilo transfering rain water, and Luke transfering the dice seemed deliberately ambiguous, but still pretty metaphorical, and now suddenly the writers decided that had to be categorized as some kind of defined force power. I'm realizing now what bothers me about these films is this sort of collective need to establish unambiguous lore at the cost of any kind of mystery or magical realism.
A good writer could've taken the obstacles put in place by the last jedi and written something compelling. TLJ ended with the resistance facing an impossible obstacle, and Rey with an impossible decision to make regarding Ben Solo/how to grow as a jedi. And Abrams ignored all that, because he's not a good enough writer to run with compelling character givens.
In The Last Jedi, the basic plot was survival, the resistance is trying to survive in the face of destruction, people are dying left right and center so others can keep going, Luke questions whether the Jedi deserve to survive, as does Klyo with the sith and Jedi, empire and rebellion (let the past die). Rose's final line is about survival (saving what you love) Luke gives his life so that the resistance might survive. Seems pretty obvious considering how much they talk about it. Even Poes ark is about survival, at first sacrificing multiple ships to gain victory, then learning to preserve lives at the end to become a better leader rather than chase glorious victory. Even DJ (Del Torro) preaches survival by the motto of Don't Join (remain neutral)
I'd love to see more vids of yall discussing movies and shows. Particularly, The Mandalorian and Watchmen. Gameplay streams arnt my thing but I could listen to this stuff all day.
I’m conflicted about RJ. Knives Out was good, but TLJ sucked because he was too tunnel-visioned on “subversion” in a saga where it doesn’t belong. I think Lawrence nailed it when he said “it felt like watching some guy crossing his arms and smirking at me the whole time.” JJ did the best he could with the flaming trash heap RJ left behind, but we really probably just needed an Episode 10 to wrap things up without it feeling rushed. Would’ve been more satisfying if JJ had done all three, but it could’ve also been fixed had he done 7, 9, and 10.
I knew something was wrong ever since episode 7. It was an OK film but it had something missing. How is it possible to get this much money from investors without a solid vision?
The force achieves balance when only lightside force users exist. The darkside is itself the imbalance. The whole "a strong darkside user creates a strong lightside user" and vice versa is some bullshit TLJ made up.
I'm sad that Funhaus isn't what it once was, but it has given me time to get to know Bruce and Lawrence better as I follow their channels and my gods are the both of you quality dudes.
@@Dayrahl but the good thing is there's plenty of time for context my friend. They could have spent 8 hours (the whole series) just introducing the world and who wants that much lore in one (series) sitting?
@@gokulauri I don't think you watched the series man, if so you wouldn't have said that previous comment on the first book as the series was adapted to the first and second books.... The short stories..... But of course screen writers have to make it easier for likes of you to understand..
don't they say anakin will restore balance to the force. this all sounds like palpatine, leia and han restored the balance throught heir kids. when you think it's gonna be luke who does. can't wait to not watch 10/11/12, lucas said there would be no more after ROTJ but here we are.
The star destroyers were manned by sith troopers, the red armored stormtroopers, and the only one that we saw inside of was the command ship that had the antenna
just do a revan trilogy already ffs you made him cannon disney USE him, it ties into the mandalorian as well since it covers the destruction of mandalore.
there are large cults of siths that did not follow the rule of two. i only know this because ive read the comics about 3 major Sith cults that didnt chose sides in the war.
Bruce, they did show Kylo being very powerful (more so than Anakin) in the beginning of The Force Awakens, when he stops a blaster shot mid-air and keeps it there. That was pretty powerful.
The only actual interesting story was Kylo Ren and Finn... Kylos story just fizzled out and ended in such a disappointing way. Finns story could've been good if he was actually force sensitive and maybe if he trained with Rey and one of them had to die in the end or something. But why would they say afterwards on an interview that he wanted to say he was force sensitive? Okay I thought Poh was also force sensitive, that's the reason he was such a good pilot so why would it be such a big deal that Finn wanted to tell Rey about it... idk fuck this new trilogy lol sorry had to rant
I think, as to the point of "should filmmakers try to appease the audience" especially to the extent of the Sonic delay, that the audience should be able to ensure their voices are heard and met to a degree. Remember the Xbox One debacle? When it demanded online connection, a Kinect always attached, and a weird system for lending games to your friends? Then Microsoft buckled under the pressure of their audience, "appeasing" them. Sure, that's two different mediums, but they still share a need to rake in oodles of dollars, and a happy audience will do that for them.
But it turns out that the Xbox policy was actually ahead of its time. When was the last time you lended a game to someone? You can’t even do that on PC and the vast majority of game sales on console are download rather than disc based, meaning you can’t even lend them if you wanted to. The always online aspect and Kinect aspects were bad, but the game lending aspect debacle was massively overblown.
What if love is a forcepower in the starwars universe? Love is an emotion like fear, suffering or peace and calm. This power turned anakin to the dark side. It also turned him back to the light side.
Taking the skywalker name is also crazy for Rey if you think about it. “She’s a skywalker she must be a good guy. So Rey are you related to Luke or Leia?” “Oh emporer palpetine.” “Oh well that’s the exact opposite.”
I hate the sequels but there was two ships actually. side by side. not just one. So I don't understand why people thinks there was only one ship when we clearly see Finn looking the moment that Chewie is arrested and we see the first order trooper look at the knife and there are two ships o the screen.
Did the calling of the past Jedis also help kill Palp with him taking over Ren? Also, Finn never reveals his I gotta tell you moment? Just asking may have missed it.
The Harry Potter thing was actually only set up in that same movie, when they were explaining that wands have a saved search history. Voldemort's wand had the echoes of everyone it killed. Then again, it's been years since I watched any of those movies, it might have been the next one that expanded on it
I feel like the intention (or better idea anyway) was for the balance of the force to end up contained within Rey. Palpatine's idea of his power and Sithness jumping into Rey ended up happening, but because all the Jedi are "within her" their combined wisdom accumulated over the centuries ends up balancing the inherent corruption of the power the Force gives. Hence from now on Rey would start a new lineage of grey Jedi type force users, call them "Skywalkers" if you like. Instead of two opposing Force factions causing galactic conflict, there would only be the conflict within a given Force user. This is also signified by her new lightsaber being an orange color, instead of red or blue/green. Instead of a destructive galactic conflict where good prevails, there is now only the personal conflict where good prevails.
I thought RotS was ok but my biggest complaint was why did the Rebels start attacking the Star Destroyer Cannons AFTER Lando shows up with the fleet. "Every cannon destroyed is a planet saved." Shouldn't they have started doing that when they first got to Exogol?
I think I read that the memory of Han was actually projected to Ben from Leia using a similar ability to Luke. Makes more sense why it killed her if that's the case I guess
Man I missed you guys. I haven't watched Funhaus in around two years, because I don't exactly like the state of it. This was a great return to what made the old dynamic work excellently, a couple pals just shooting the breeze, nerding out over something. I had a three hour drive this afternoon, and this helped keep me company for a major portion of it. Thank you!
This was an interesting discussion. I mean no offense, but I honestly expected you to love this movie, Bruce. You seem to just love Star Wars, good or bad, so it's nice to see you express an opinion I didn't expect. Just interesting. In response to you asking if I thought the movie insulted my intelligence, I would say yes. This movie was a textbook case of trying to listen to and please the fans. I think a lot of people forget that the OT, and even the Prequels, were not made for the fans. They were Lucas' movies that Lucas made because they were movies he thought would be good (even not directing ESB and ROTJ, he was strongly involved in writing and post-production), for better and worse. The Sequel trilogy started with JJ just trying make a palatable movie that could go in a lot of directions, and did just fine. As was discussed, Johnson threw a wrench in that. For whatever anyone's opinion of that movie may be, it was poorly constructed from a narrative standpoint, and I would strongly agree with Lawrence with the belief that the movie is a social message first and a movie second. This left an impossible task for IX. I never once thought IX would be anything more than okay at best, because where do you go from there? And then I wonder how much creative control JJ actually had on this movie. It felt very much like design by committee. The Sequels as a whole have felt like a response to the Prequels. Regardless of opinion of the Prequels, the Disney-era has opted to just not acknowledge them at all outside of some voice line from old actors. No Midichlorians, no Podracing (which seemed like a perfect fit for Canto Blight), no nothing at all. Disney knows that the Prequels aren't liked but don't understand why, and because they don't understand the fans, they will never be able to give the fans what they want, because honestly the fans don't know what they want either. In the end, the ultimate reason for the Sequel Trilogy's failure is that there was no creative vision. Only dollar signs in executives eyes.
I felt like what Palatine was saying if she strikes him down in anger it'll be her falling to the dark side and that's his way in to possess her. But since she killed him without any anger she didn't fall to the dark side so he couldn't come in.
Don't studios test screen their movies with audiences and sometimes change things in the movie based on their feedback? Even change the endings?! Just thinking about what Bruce said, that he's worried that creators will be forced to change their vision because some people in a test audience/internet don't like what they saw.
There are rumors that this is the cut that made it after 3 different cuts from test screenings! That's the crazy thing. Apparently the first two cuts were so bad that even casual fans rated it below a 40/100
10:06 yes! As much as I enjoyed having the old cast for nostalgia's sake, it always ran the risk of them dying or having their characters treated poorly. It would have been more interesting to focus on creating an original plot with new heroes facing a new threat in a galaxy shaped by the legacy of the OT heroes long after they've passed on.
I think the thing about Bruce talking about nobody dying was Disney wanting the characters to go back into the toy chest so they can continue selling them as toys. These movies felt like ways to market the characters and items as products which bums me out.
Lol JJ could have built off of 8. Instead he said fuck it. At the end of the day he had to make a good movie. He didn't and that's not on 8 that's on 9.
the rise of skywalker is a dumb action movie akin to transformers and fast and furious. i dont think it is a good movie but it is enjoyable. the characters all defied logic and just were not interesting. Babu fiek or whatever was the best character. the action was amazing though. thank you for coming to my review talk
Star Wars is a dumb action franchise akin to Transformers and Fast & Furious. But because it was one of the first GOOD dumb action franchises, nobody wants to accept that.
the problem with this new trilogy is that you have to READ through ALL the cannon material to kind of understand and make sense of 'the force'. But even after reading all the canons, still doesnt justify Finn getting cucked lol
Yeah I'm with you, I felt nothing for the movie. That warm fuzzy Star Wars feeling I get from some of the other films just wasn't there , unfortunately.
FINN was actually supposed to tell that he's Rey's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.
So what does that make us?
The Schwartz is strong with this one Yogurt
Absolutely nothing
@@jordanpike5816 Cat Roommate
"Woww, they were 𝑟𝑜𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠"
"The whole thing felt like some dude crossing his arms and smirking at me." The most accurate description possible
Lawrence: *DEEP ANALYTICAL DISCUSSION*
Bruce: *THANK YOU RECTALBLASTER6969!!! PAY IT FORWARD*
Gotta love Bruce! I'm genuinely surprised he hasn't brought up Ska in this whole discussion...
"I don't know how I feel about Star Wars anymore."
Man. Same.
The core issue with this trilogy is that it was poorly managed (by the producers or other top executives). We have a three-part story being made by different people with almost no coordination between them. It could have been so much better if we had the same person/people writing the whole story.
How does kathleen Kennedy still have a job.
xdan9xx Because the movie still made a billion dollars. And at the end of the day for blockbusters that’s all the higher ups care about
the fate of star wars is a 9 part saga where most of the movies suck
I also didn't love the starting premise of the empire is back and let's destroy the new republic we never see
@The Real Duke thats what we said about phantom menace but my nephews love pod racing no matter how bad jar jar is
It feels like they crammed 3 movies worth of content in 2 hours
JJ crammed at least 2 movies into it. It's like he wanted to remake or add parts of his version of 8 to this movie and then do his version of 9. This movie could've easily been like 5 hours long.
That's really what it was. TFA is a reboot of 4, TLJ is like it's own stand alone movie, JJ had to do 3 movies worth of traveling and charecter development into 1 film.
If only it were 3 good movies.
Yeah, Bruce and Lawrence really outdid themselves with this stream 😉
Those would be some 3 empty and pointles movies then...
Love Lawrence he's so on point
Yes! Out of all the people I saw discuss this film, only these two guys nail that The opening crawl about the emperor's message should have been in the Last Jedi, There is a moment the Rebels put out a call and having the Emperor respond message go out would be Hype as fuck.
As far as I'm concerned the saga ends at episode 6
It's a bummer too. I was initially really excited Disney announced ep 7. I was also one of the few that had a bad feeling about it all when I saw the trailer for ep 7. I was like... Ohhh they're not going to try anything new or expand the universe. They're just playing it safe and leaning on nostalgia.
...and begins at 4.
@@theroguerider was gonna say this
And started at episode "3"
I’m so goddamned relieved to hear you two share your unfiltered thoughts on this. Especially Lawrence’s objections to TLJ; so refreshing to hear thoughtful and intellectually-consistent arguments 🙏🏼
Titus Orelius I’ll point out that it’s a 2 1/2 hour review you’re watching, but sure.
Force Healing is a light side force ability. So Anakin could have learned it. But once he turned to the dark side that ability is lost. So he couldn't have saved Padme. Palpatine did not heal himself back to life. I thought it was implied he attached his essence onto his body. Sort of like Voldemort. The Harry Potter analogies are spot on
@@matth.4320 yes
Matt H. Quit trying to explain or make excuses for shitty writing and rushed screenplays. These movies had no plan or consensus among those who were making them, and they couldn't care less about the people they were making them for.
@@UxCANxDOxIT I don't think he's trying to excuse it in any way... He's just pointing out the similarities to HP.
"It's over Palpatine, I have two lightsabers."
"You underestimate my power."
"Don't do it!"
They didn't tease the emperor at the end of TLJ because the made it all up as they went along. They had no plan. They didn't expect to bring him back but kinda had to after Rian killed off who was suppose to be the antagonist of the trilogy in the 2nd movie of the trilogy.
The original director for episode 9 even came out and said he had no plans to bring the emperor back. They genuinely just let each director do whatever they wanted to. At least the prequels had a consistent and coherent story across all 3 movies that made sense.
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 I think JJ had no plans to bring the Emperor back because Snoke was supposed to be in the Emperor's place. But, Episode 8 killed Snoke off like nothing so they had no choice but to write around it.
I think JJ could've gotten away with saying Snoke wasn't actually dead, he just went into hiding, but I digress.
@@kirabook tbh, it coulda been like a reference to the use of doubles for Padme in the prequel trilogy, and gone well if written correctly. Shame
Kotor 2 does such a good job with the force having its own agenda, and Kreia trying to break free from that. Lawrence's points are also spot on.
Spoilers for Rebels but Obi Wan says Jedis use the force for knowledge and defense, and when Maul comes for revenge, Obi Wan still kills him, but only does so by countering Maul's attack, which is self-defense. I think the Emperor's schtick is to bait Jedi into attacking him with hate so they are tempted, but he doesn't try to strike them so they are not acting in self defense. That's just the lore though, what he does here is stupid.
Not even a spoiler:
Opening crawl: is palpatine alive?
30sec later: im baaAack!
Kylo ren then voices the audience: "i have so many questions, finally i can get some answers..."
Palpatine: NOPE it was mee, alll along.
No I mean the opening crawl literally says palpatine is alive.
If you really think about it, the opening crawl is the entire first act.
@@Featherwick @Featherwick didnt they say it like a question tho?
Something like: the emperor is alive? Kylo found clues that wil lead him to the possible blabla...
Oh cool, a kylo ren adventure act. Nope act concluded 30 seconds later with palpatine going "lol im back now u listen to me lmaooo"
@@cloudsRniceC0M3 The opening crawl said, "The dead speak!" And it went on to lay out Palpy's plan pretty explicitly, even mentioning him by name.
Theres no way Kylo was more powerful than anakin at the end of revenge. Anakin was made of the force. And throughout the whole trilogy kylo was trying to be as strong as Vader
Yeah but Kylo fucks
hey bruce, hey lawrence
Hey Martin
@@tylerbeaumont Hey Tyler
MrCheesegr8r hey, mr cheese
What’s up dog
Waffle Maker you messed it up :(
My favorite bullshit 'bit' of the movie
Spoiler ahead:
The end spacefight improv...
1 star destroyer has death star gun = another death star end game, sigh.
2 1000 star destroyers, just adding bigger numbers to make it hype...
3 the weak spot is A SINGLE ANTENNA.
4 Finn INSTANTLY knows this weak spot and goes for it.
5 general pryde INSTANTLY knows this and rerouts this to ONE stardestroyer.
6 finn INSTANTLY knows this, and knows the new weak spot is a NEW ANTENNA!
7 so the new plan is to launch a ground troop attack with horses on the exterior of a star destroyer to throw some grenades under the antenna instead of just shooting it with something. wut?
Yeah, but the horses looked cool...
They said they can't destroy the antenna from the air so they had to use the ground I don't understand shields I guess?
@@YonkoDonko Possibly the same tech as Droideka shields from Clone Wars. Blasters won't penetrate, but Ahsoka showed people on Dantooine that you could roll a grenade at a slow enough speed that it goes through. So blaster fire wouldn't take it out due to shielding I assume, but they could get a ground team inside the shielding with bombs.
@cloudsRniceC0M3 Also, Finn definitely has some force abilities, was how he could sense where the weakspot is, also is an Ex-Stormtroopepr so would know potential layouts of key systems, even if it is an old Imperial Star Destroyer, is probably very similar to First Order tech.
I'm not trying to excuse some of the weird no planning things of this movie, just giving a possible explanation.
@@Mosan13 that would make sense why would they just not turn the ship or go to another antenna why would only one planet killing star destroyer have a radar dish
Finn knows this because of the force
There really was no plan, this movie made me feel indifferent, I hated TLJ, and loved TFA.
Turbid TG1 I hated TfA loved TLJ
@@fullm3tal90 maybe it's a one or the other thing. like, if you liked tfa, then you were probably disappointed by tlj not being cohesive with it, but if you didn't like tfa, then you maybe appreciate tlj for what it is - a pretty good film that should not be in a trilogy. I personally like tfa over tlj any day, but I also like tpm over rots, so what do i know?
Turbid watches papa Bruce
I feel the same. I was kind of not even interested in seeing this. It's a shame really
NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR OPINION TURBID.
But seriously tho, I didnt like any of them, I loved Rogue Juan and thats it.
Two hours and twenty minutes later, I learned ol' Emp Palps has a bad track record with his force lightning.
Dude's 0 for 3 on lightning strikes. Got bailed out by Anakin for his only impressive kill too.
Emperor has to be the most overrated villian in cinematic history
i feel like this trilogy is like James says about you shouldn't do in sketch comedy, someone sets a scene so you should go with it, not just say no and set your own scene, but they do this twice episode 8 and 9 feel like they are just saying "no, that is not what happened " to their respective last movie, there are lots of things don't make sense in 8, but they didn't need to try to unmake every single thing,like the rey family thing, they already did a switcharoo in 8, run with it , don't just unmake it, take makes both 8 and 9 worse off.
@umsiplescara the issue was that 8 didn’t do anything to set anything up for the finish. There was nothing to go on
@@hughcafritz3997 it is a issue that 8 didn't do it's job right as the middle movie of a trilogy, but to say there was nothing is wrong, i don't agree with lawdowg view of Rian Johnson just subverting everything just cuz he wanted to be smug, there definitely was notes that could direct episode 9, things like the resistance being almost wiped out, a new order that is seemingly so terrifying that the people didn't go help a in-universe legend like Leia, kylo, who is inexperienced and not exactly the most balanced with his emotions, as the supreme commander, rey, who could be a new bastion of hope unbound by the past. There's stuff there that could render a hero's journey, to say there was nothing that they needed to bring back the original villain, in my opinion, is wrong.
umsimplescara I’m not saying that nine didn’t do anything wrong I’m saying that nine didn’t have a fair shot bc it didn’t have anything to go off
@@hughcafritz3997 You could say the same about Episode IV. To claim there is nothing to go off from TLJ is not only disingenuous, it displays a stunning lack of imagination.
Always remember JJ Abrams did not want to be in charge of the trilogy storyline. He wanted to make a fun action film with nostalgia and leave his mystery boxes and walk away.
Sounds like his entire career at this point. The guy doesn't seem to ever want to write an ending, just a bunch of empty mysteries.
@@thysens felicity is the only thing he's done start to finish I think
I felt sad and empty leaving both TLJ and RoS. I was a little mad at Rian Johnson but more so I'm just disappointed and sad because I feel like these movies could've been really cool. At least we got the Mandalorian. Far as I'm concerned these movies are fan fic and everything 1-6 is canon
Finn was robbed
Now i see what he meant about "You won't Disney plus me"
He should have been the main character, a stormtrooper who turned and trained to become a jedi
I literally thought Rey was going to say she was iron man.
*Iron Person
true star wars fans will think she was gonna say she was the senate
Did you just assume his gender?
Did anyone else feel.like 85% of Finn's dialogue in 9 was screaming "Rey" or some other name or one word?
Finn's charecter deserved so much better.
"You're mah queen, Rey"
Yeah they really didn't know what to do with Finn in this movie.
That's all he does in all 3 movies
Funny he brings up Justice League. Chris Terrio was the writer for that as well as episode IX....
J.J and Kathleen Kennedy threw out George Lucas' outline for the whole trilogy, Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy threw out JJ Abrams' outline for the entire trilogy, JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy threw out Rian Johnsons' direction for the trilogy. So, we get this, and there's a common denominator there. Begins with a "K."
This movie leaves us exactly where ROTJ left us. Theres no difference where the galaxy is left and where the Jedi are left at the end.
The only difference is Mary Sue girl truly saves the galaxy because Luke, Vader and the rebels weren't good enough.
@@Shadowfire204 LOL
bruce , this is how i felt about season 8 of game of thrones , it was my favorite IP of all time , and i was seriously sad about how bad it was .
@@jimjam7928 i liked it all the way to the end of season 7 , 7 was ok not bad imo
@@jimjam7928 trust me , i have game of thrones bed covers lmao all the books , yes it wasnt up to par , but it forsure wasnt BAD TV , go watch the walking dead and compare it lolol , it just wasnt the best , it was okay imo, but i agree it was down hill after 5, but i enjoyed it all till to the end , season 8 made me cry , , , , , , because of how bad the fucked it , i really hope we get a book soon , come on GRRM please us
I think this is a pretty apt comparison. I enjoyed GoT season 8, and I enjoyed all the Star Wars movies from the latest trilogy. But they weren't good.
However, Rise of Skywalker left me with a sense of closure, whereas the last episode of GoT left me completely hollow. Not good hollow either. I wanted it to break my spirit, and instead it just gave me blue balls. What _did_ end up giving me that catharsis was Kit's speech in the documentary. Fuck, that destroyed me. Thank you Kit, you are the best. And JJ, you're still my favorite director, even if this wasn't exactly great.
"It felt like the entire movie was some dude crossing his arms and like smirking at me" - Lawrence
That's a great description of episode 8.
TROS left my family heartbroken. Bringing back Palpatine completely retconned Anakin's legacy. He sacrificed himself to save Luke and KILL Palpatine in the OT. That's how Star Wars has been understood and connected with it's audience for decades.
He still saved his son
@@RileyE. So 'balance' is only temporary now? That may be how real life works, but that nihilism doesn't have any place in Star Wars. 'Balancing' the Force has always meant the complete destruction of the Sith aka Palpatine/Darth Sidious. That was Anakin's legacy. After TROS, we can't even say Anakin brought this new temporary 'balance' to the Force, because Darth Sidious survived ROTJ. The new heroes are not facing a new foe. They're facing Sidious, no matter how Disney and LFM try to ambiguously spin it.
@@Leppy0014 or was the complete destruction of the dark side a misinterpretation of balance in the force
I am wholly against bringing Sidious back like this, it unashamedly doubles down on the nostalgia baiting rather than pursuing fresh ideas.
DescendentCross its not. “balance” was explained by lucas himself. the balance of the force is whenever the light side controls it. the dark side/sith is like a corruption of the force that needs to be wiped away in order to restore balance.
After all this time, coming back to this video gave me an idea.
If Force Ghosts can hold physical objects, and physical objects can be teleported from one place to another, then Obi-Wan, Luke, Yoda, Anakin, Leia AND Ben Solo can pick up lightsabers and just appear wherever they want, fighting crime, Sith, monsters, you name it.
And even if we accept the idea that it can only happen on Force heavy worlds, those seem to be the most important ones anyway, so they can eternally safeguard whatever ancient temples, artifacts, secrets hidden on them.
I dont think anyone in production knew what they were doing
Especially the J.J
Rian Johnson screwed JJ up, by JJ screwing up Rian.
that's the saddest thing about this trilogy. It had great actors, top notch special effects, good music but it all ultimately amounted to nothing.
I just don’t know about JJ Abrams doing the best with what he had.
Rotten Tomatoes locked the user score for over week lol 86%. Look at metacritic
You noticed that too? I remember the score was at 86 from 2k reviews up to whatever it's at now. That's only from the verified reviews. The all audience score sits at 78
My theory about anakins wife dying was that sidious used her life force to keep anakin alive.
yeah anikan
Anikan
Lol yah, I got the made up word wrong. Sorry I'll edit it
All words are made up bruh
My biggest issue is the setup for the final ship battle. I’ve yet to hear an explanation for how the rebel ships get there that doesn’t, at the same time, negate the existence of the beacons and why the star destroyers can’t just leave the same way the ships came in.
I think what the person who said resurrection completely undermines Anakin's arc also referred to the fact that he was the chosen one to destroy the Sith, something he does when he redeems himself. But because of this movie Palpatine didn't die and so Vader and Luke didn't necessarily bring balance to the force and weren't good enough. Vader's sacrifice was basically for nothing besides buying them a few years. Then Rey strolls in and with few issues, defeats Palpatine single handedly when he's at his most powerful (I get she had the dead Jedi "in her" but still). And that's still with her barely having any training. They tried to fix it but she's still OP and still had far far less training than even Luke had.
I don't know why, but I like these casual discussions. It's like listening to two of our friends.
Darth Vader's redemption is ruined and everyone need to know this
Not only did JJ confirm that Finn was about to tell Rey that he's force sensitive, he also confirmed that originally he was supposed to confess his feelings for her, but they had no chemistry so they scrapped that.
I felt they had some chemistry in 7, but then neither of them spoke until ep 9 and it ruined it.
I reallly feel like they should have given this the “part 1 part 2” release strategy. It would have given JJ ample time to answer the open questions. And time for him to wrap up the trilogy satisfyingly.
MrMclarenmagic 100%! For me the movie could have easily been 30 minutes longer just to flesh out things they only partly established
It would also give JJ more time to learn about already established Star Wars lore and the rules of the universe, but he obviously can't be bothered with such trivial things.
befru “Rules of the Universe” Dude there are no rules, there is no true ending, no stone tablet that says what really happened. It’s all made up.
@@richardwainwright507 There are 40 years worth of rough guidelines created by the movies and EU that define the technology and abilities that people can use. Following those rules are important to make sure that the story is logical (for that universe) and doesn't create endless plot holes. Otherwise the story could quickly turn into a confusing mess that doesn't have any real stakes for the characters and can invalidate the decisions of previous characters, which is what we see with this Disney trilogy.
Hyperspace is a good example. It has already been established that it is a straight line point-to-point method of travel, can't be activated when the ship is within a gravity well, and the ship will be destroyed if it flies through another gravity well or another object. Basically every pre-Disney movie, book, and video game has followed these rules and it has allowed creative story elements like blockading an area to prevent someone escaping and Interdictor Star Destroyers. Then JJ comes along and seems to think that Hyperspace is just some kind of magic warp where people can go in or out whenever or wherever that want, and that significantly degrades the quality of the story since there are no rules anymore so any character can do any convenient plot thing at any time.
i think jj abrams never should do a star wars movie
Yes!!! I honestly really wanted to hear both your's and Lawrence's opinions on this film, especially after the recent FilmHaus episode. Thank you!
Lawrence is like "fuck youuuuuuuu star wars" all stream, love it.
My one wish for the sequel trilogy was that the whole Finn using the lightsaber and Rey not wanting anything to do with the force to be carried out, I think that if Finn continued to use the lightsaber but was never shown to be force sensitive while Rey ends up having to use the force would have been a very interesting dynamic. It could have been something where Unity and teamwork always beat out a single evil in the sense that Kylo is a single sith or the emperor is a single sith. Also, it could have opened things up for a cool ending scene where Rey manages to get a hold of less lightsaber while Finn has Lukes and then it's revealed that Finn is force sensitive and there's a cool fight scene with both Rey and Finn use the full extent of their power, once again tying into an overarching theme of unity ad being stronger when working as a single coherent unit.
How is the Death Star still in tact on that planet? I watched it blow up into nothing.
Lawrence
“ive thought about that a lot” Sontag
They locked the RT score for a couple of days. Few days ago it's STILL sitting on 86% despite getting THOUSANDS of new reviews.
Statistically speaking that shouldn't be possible.
So you guys think it made sense for Luke to contemplate murdering his nephew in TLJ? Did you watch the same original trilogy I did? Luke learns the lesson that people can be changed and you don’t have to kill them, by the end of that trilogy.
That wasn’t Luke in episode 8
Andrumaz
It was his evil twin brother Jake Skywalker as Mark Hamill said...
I do think it made sense for Luke to contemplate killing his nephew, especially because I've watched the OT. When Luke fought Vader in ROTJ, his plan was always to redeem his father, until emotions and temptation clouded his judgement and he nearly faltered.
TLJ shows that he struggled with exactly that while training Ben. Luke understood better than anyone the destruction that would follow if he allowed Ben to fulfill Luke's vision. Luke experienced the loss of friends and family, witnessed entire civilizations conquered, knows the Big Bads aren't above destroying entire planets because he's seen it. Again in a moment of emotion and temptation, he sought to end it quickly to spare the galaxy another Vader -- and ultimately decided to spare Ben. I find this infinitely more interesting than making Luke infallible, above temptation and emotion, removed from his humanity, and turned into some two-dimensional character who thinks only in "lawful" and "good."
It shows that even Jedi Masters, for all their experience and wisdom, can still have these moments the audience can relate to, nearly giving in to passion or shame or anger before coming to their senses. For all the problems I had with TLJ, Luke's character was not one of them.
So glad you guys did this! Really wanted to know your thoughts
Bruce is pissed because jar jar never turned up
jammyb 89 Jar Jar > Rey/Kylo
@@lukenotskywalker2957 how did I not see that!... Shit!
Finns character ark in FA was he fled, found Rey, stuck with her to flee, then tried to flee with two random space farers, then stuck around only to rescue Rey.
In TLJ he immediately asks where Rey is, then tries to flee to find her. He ends the movie trying to give up everything for the resistance, an ark...
Then he does nothing in ROSW.
I cant believe Disney did a trilogy and didn't plan it out with how well they planned out marvel and saw what happens when you don't with DC. its mind boggling
Wasn't the "force connection" explored in KotOR between Revan and Bastila?
Yes, and again in Kotor 2 with Kreia and the outcast. They stole and and hoped nobody noticed
@@synshenron92 I don't know that you can steal from your own franchise.
@@E7ernalWolf ordinarily I would say no, but when the head of the franchise tries to pretend like they have no source material for adaptation, then proceeds to lift story elements from source material, then yes.
Also what you’re feeling subconsciously is having been conned. It’s how you feel if a con job is done on you; you don’t want to believe implicitly that you’ve been tricked and swindled
Lawrence hit on something I've been struggling to put together with these films when he mentioned transforming human moments into lore. Similarly, it seems like people are so eager for every detail in a visual storytelling medium to be literal and secretly relevant. Finn using a lightsaber in episode seven wasn't some inexplicable feat, but somehow "he touched a lightsaber" became "he must be a jedi." The broom kid at the end of episode eight seemed explicitly symbolic to me (i.e., touching on the themes of jedi not owning the force and inspiration mattering), but so many people jumped to the conclusion that he's going to be the next protagonist. Rey and Kilo transfering rain water, and Luke transfering the dice seemed deliberately ambiguous, but still pretty metaphorical, and now suddenly the writers decided that had to be categorized as some kind of defined force power. I'm realizing now what bothers me about these films is this sort of collective need to establish unambiguous lore at the cost of any kind of mystery or magical realism.
I liked the force skyping they added in TLJ but they went over kill with it transfering physical objects.
Imagine the writers when they thought of the BIG THUNDERSTORM scene:
“Let’s add bass! Kids love it when somebody drops the bass.”
A good writer could've taken the obstacles put in place by the last jedi and written something compelling. TLJ ended with the resistance facing an impossible obstacle, and Rey with an impossible decision to make regarding Ben Solo/how to grow as a jedi. And Abrams ignored all that, because he's not a good enough writer to run with compelling character givens.
As a wise man once said... "We get it and thats it!" lol
In The Last Jedi, the basic plot was survival, the resistance is trying to survive in the face of destruction, people are dying left right and center so others can keep going, Luke questions whether the Jedi deserve to survive, as does Klyo with the sith and Jedi, empire and rebellion (let the past die). Rose's final line is about survival (saving what you love) Luke gives his life so that the resistance might survive.
Seems pretty obvious considering how much they talk about it. Even Poes ark is about survival, at first sacrificing multiple ships to gain victory, then learning to preserve lives at the end to become a better leader rather than chase glorious victory.
Even DJ (Del Torro) preaches survival by the motto of Don't Join (remain neutral)
I'd love to see more vids of yall discussing movies and shows. Particularly, The Mandalorian and Watchmen. Gameplay streams arnt my thing but I could listen to this stuff all day.
Prequels > Sequels bc they actually had character development
Don't forget originality and world building.
I'll watch anything Clone Wars related over the other eras.
Yall on crack
matching my curser up to Bruce's was satisfying
Robert Pierce it’s almost like your touching
I think it is called docking.
The last scene where all the ships arrived could have better if they tied in the last scene in TLJ where Luke inspires the resistance.
I’m conflicted about RJ. Knives Out was good, but TLJ sucked because he was too tunnel-visioned on “subversion” in a saga where it doesn’t belong. I think Lawrence nailed it when he said “it felt like watching some guy crossing his arms and smirking at me the whole time.”
JJ did the best he could with the flaming trash heap RJ left behind, but we really probably just needed an Episode 10 to wrap things up without it feeling rushed. Would’ve been more satisfying if JJ had done all three, but it could’ve also been fixed had he done 7, 9, and 10.
Lawrence on point
I knew something was wrong ever since episode 7. It was an OK film but it had something missing. How is it possible to get this much money from investors without a solid vision?
I really wish this was a podcast so I could listen to this without having TH-cam open on my phone!
The force achieves balance when only lightside force users exist. The darkside is itself the imbalance. The whole "a strong darkside user creates a strong lightside user" and vice versa is some bullshit TLJ made up.
I'm sad that Funhaus isn't what it once was, but it has given me time to get to know Bruce and Lawrence better as I follow their channels and my gods are the both of you quality dudes.
In Kylos new comic I'm pretty sure ben does NOT kill lukes students. But I could be wrong, I was just skimming the book.
Should have just watched the witcher instead...
As someone who didn't play the game or read the books the Witcher show didn't do a good job of introducing world.
@@Dayrahl but the good thing is there's plenty of time for context my friend. They could have spent 8 hours (the whole series) just introducing the world and who wants that much lore in one (series) sitting?
@@gokulauri really? The moment you over saturate lore in one go, takes away from the story your trying to tell
@@gokulauri now I know you're playing with me. Such a goon
@@gokulauri I don't think you watched the series man, if so you wouldn't have said that previous comment on the first book as the series was adapted to the first and second books.... The short stories..... But of course screen writers have to make it easier for likes of you to understand..
don't they say anakin will restore balance to the force. this all sounds like palpatine, leia and han restored the balance throught heir kids. when you think it's gonna be luke who does. can't wait to not watch 10/11/12, lucas said there would be no more after ROTJ but here we are.
The star destroyers were manned by sith troopers, the red armored stormtroopers, and the only one that we saw inside of was the command ship that had the antenna
just do a revan trilogy already ffs you made him cannon disney USE him, it ties into the mandalorian as well since it covers the destruction of mandalore.
there are large cults of siths that did not follow the rule of two.
i only know this because ive read the comics about 3 major Sith cults that didnt chose sides in the war.
Bruce, they did show Kylo being very powerful (more so than Anakin) in the beginning of The Force Awakens, when he stops a blaster shot mid-air and keeps it there. That was pretty powerful.
The only actual interesting story was Kylo Ren and Finn... Kylos story just fizzled out and ended in such a disappointing way. Finns story could've been good if he was actually force sensitive and maybe if he trained with Rey and one of them had to die in the end or something. But why would they say afterwards on an interview that he wanted to say he was force sensitive? Okay I thought Poh was also force sensitive, that's the reason he was such a good pilot so why would it be such a big deal that Finn wanted to tell Rey about it... idk fuck this new trilogy lol sorry had to rant
I think, as to the point of "should filmmakers try to appease the audience" especially to the extent of the Sonic delay, that the audience should be able to ensure their voices are heard and met to a degree.
Remember the Xbox One debacle? When it demanded online connection, a Kinect always attached, and a weird system for lending games to your friends?
Then Microsoft buckled under the pressure of their audience, "appeasing" them.
Sure, that's two different mediums, but they still share a need to rake in oodles of dollars, and a happy audience will do that for them.
But it turns out that the Xbox policy was actually ahead of its time. When was the last time you lended a game to someone? You can’t even do that on PC and the vast majority of game sales on console are download rather than disc based, meaning you can’t even lend them if you wanted to. The always online aspect and Kinect aspects were bad, but the game lending aspect debacle was massively overblown.
What if love is a forcepower in the starwars universe? Love is an emotion like fear, suffering or peace and calm. This power turned anakin to the dark side. It also turned him back to the light side.
Taking the skywalker name is also crazy for Rey if you think about it.
“She’s a skywalker she must be a good guy. So Rey are you related to Luke or Leia?”
“Oh emporer palpetine.”
“Oh well that’s the exact opposite.”
I hate the sequels but there was two ships actually. side by side. not just one. So I don't understand why people thinks there was only one ship when we clearly see Finn looking the moment that Chewie is arrested and we see the first order trooper look at the knife and there are two ships o the screen.
Did the calling of the past Jedis also help kill Palp with him taking over Ren? Also, Finn never reveals his I gotta tell you moment? Just asking may have missed it.
No he doesn't but JJ said he was going to say he was force sensitive
Yoda 64 thank you very much for that, I appreciate your time to answer!
The Harry Potter thing was actually only set up in that same movie, when they were explaining that wands have a saved search history. Voldemort's wand had the echoes of everyone it killed.
Then again, it's been years since I watched any of those movies, it might have been the next one that expanded on it
I feel like the intention (or better idea anyway) was for the balance of the force to end up contained within Rey. Palpatine's idea of his power and Sithness jumping into Rey ended up happening, but because all the Jedi are "within her" their combined wisdom accumulated over the centuries ends up balancing the inherent corruption of the power the Force gives. Hence from now on Rey would start a new lineage of grey Jedi type force users, call them "Skywalkers" if you like. Instead of two opposing Force factions causing galactic conflict, there would only be the conflict within a given Force user. This is also signified by her new lightsaber being an orange color, instead of red or blue/green.
Instead of a destructive galactic conflict where good prevails, there is now only the personal conflict where good prevails.
I thought RotS was ok but my biggest complaint was why did the Rebels start attacking the Star Destroyer Cannons AFTER Lando shows up with the fleet. "Every cannon destroyed is a planet saved." Shouldn't they have started doing that when they first got to Exogol?
More reviews please! Love to hear your opinions on movies and shows!
I second this
I think I read that the memory of Han was actually projected to Ben from Leia using a similar ability to Luke. Makes more sense why it killed her if that's the case I guess
Man I missed you guys. I haven't watched Funhaus in around two years, because I don't exactly like the state of it. This was a great return to what made the old dynamic work excellently, a couple pals just shooting the breeze, nerding out over something. I had a three hour drive this afternoon, and this helped keep me company for a major portion of it. Thank you!
This was an interesting discussion. I mean no offense, but I honestly expected you to love this movie, Bruce. You seem to just love Star Wars, good or bad, so it's nice to see you express an opinion I didn't expect. Just interesting. In response to you asking if I thought the movie insulted my intelligence, I would say yes. This movie was a textbook case of trying to listen to and please the fans. I think a lot of people forget that the OT, and even the Prequels, were not made for the fans. They were Lucas' movies that Lucas made because they were movies he thought would be good (even not directing ESB and ROTJ, he was strongly involved in writing and post-production), for better and worse. The Sequel trilogy started with JJ just trying make a palatable movie that could go in a lot of directions, and did just fine. As was discussed, Johnson threw a wrench in that. For whatever anyone's opinion of that movie may be, it was poorly constructed from a narrative standpoint, and I would strongly agree with Lawrence with the belief that the movie is a social message first and a movie second. This left an impossible task for IX. I never once thought IX would be anything more than okay at best, because where do you go from there? And then I wonder how much creative control JJ actually had on this movie. It felt very much like design by committee. The Sequels as a whole have felt like a response to the Prequels. Regardless of opinion of the Prequels, the Disney-era has opted to just not acknowledge them at all outside of some voice line from old actors. No Midichlorians, no Podracing (which seemed like a perfect fit for Canto Blight), no nothing at all. Disney knows that the Prequels aren't liked but don't understand why, and because they don't understand the fans, they will never be able to give the fans what they want, because honestly the fans don't know what they want either.
In the end, the ultimate reason for the Sequel Trilogy's failure is that there was no creative vision. Only dollar signs in executives eyes.
I felt like what Palatine was saying if she strikes him down in anger it'll be her falling to the dark side and that's his way in to possess her. But since she killed him without any anger she didn't fall to the dark side so he couldn't come in.
Don't studios test screen their movies with audiences and sometimes change things in the movie based on their feedback? Even change the endings?! Just thinking about what Bruce said, that he's worried that creators will be forced to change their vision because some people in a test audience/internet don't like what they saw.
There are rumors that this is the cut that made it after 3 different cuts from test screenings! That's the crazy thing. Apparently the first two cuts were so bad that even casual fans rated it below a 40/100
10:06 yes! As much as I enjoyed having the old cast for nostalgia's sake, it always ran the risk of them dying or having their characters treated poorly. It would have been more interesting to focus on creating an original plot with new heroes facing a new threat in a galaxy shaped by the legacy of the OT heroes long after they've passed on.
I think the thing about Bruce talking about nobody dying was Disney wanting the characters to go back into the toy chest so they can continue selling them as toys. These movies felt like ways to market the characters and items as products which bums me out.
Lol JJ could have built off of 8. Instead he said fuck it. At the end of the day he had to make a good movie. He didn't and that's not on 8 that's on 9.
the rise of skywalker is a dumb action movie akin to transformers and fast and furious. i dont think it is a good movie but it is enjoyable. the characters all defied logic and just were not interesting. Babu fiek or whatever was the best character. the action was amazing though. thank you for coming to my review talk
Babu is best boy
Star Wars is a dumb action franchise akin to Transformers and Fast & Furious.
But because it was one of the first GOOD dumb action franchises, nobody wants to accept that.
The reason palpating didn't get absorbed into her body I'm pretty sure is because he already absorbed them when he died
1:19:20
Bruce: "Om un dih oo abuba hey Lawrence did you ever see Justice League?"
Lawrence: *rips internet cable out the wall*
didnt the last jedi have the object teleporting thing`? like Kylo getting wet becaise it was reining where Rei was?
the problem with this new trilogy is that you have to READ through ALL the cannon material to kind of understand and make sense of 'the force'. But even after reading all the canons, still doesnt justify Finn getting cucked lol
Video starts with Law-Dog already rambling 😂😂😂
Yeah I'm with you, I felt nothing for the movie. That warm fuzzy Star Wars feeling I get from some of the other films just wasn't there , unfortunately.