Wire Pulling Knot
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“Hey, what knot would you use for trying to pull a 3 strand, 00 wire cable up to a platform from the end of it? It's too thick to do a sheet bend. And I tried both a prusik and a clove hitch but neither of those seemed to work.” - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
Beautiful! I absolutely LOVE how I could tie this knot in the first 10 seconds of the video. No life intros, no promotions, just straight FACTS! Love it!
Yeah, videos which start with a summary combine the best of "shorts" and longer form.
No way! Dude you're awesome I was NOT expecting any sort of response, especially not that quickly! :)
First class amateur right there!
check out pipe hitch, and icicle hitch.
Bro from which book can we learn all types of knot
I have actually used this knot at work as an electrician. You should show how to tie it with the working end of the rope doing the wraps, since that is the easiest out in the field.
I’ve also used this knot to help me pick up stakes in the ground.
This is one of my top 5 knots for sure.
This is a (very) slight modification of the icicle hitch. A fantastic knot. Pretty situational, but the best there is when that situation comes up.
The icicle hitch might be a little bit quicker to tie when you have access to the poles end. But it’s barely anything to talk about.
@3:36 the knot is a klemheist knot.
a similar, single end friction hitch, like the one you demonstrate in the video is the icicle hitch. I used it on some #6 cable tied with mule tape and broke the wire before it slipped. It has the added benefit of not rolling free if tied on soft materials like rope.
I used this today to uproot a particularly stubborn overgrown weed. The roots were too embedded to pull by hand, so I threw the wire pulling knot right around the base of the trunk of the weed and tied the other end off on my car. A slow creep forward and it came right out :)
The Icicle Hitch does a splendid job on slippery surfaces. This is like a variation of it. I like both, but this seems to make more sense.
Needed to tighten up a long clothes line (steel cable). Found this video and used this knot on both ends with a doubled cow hitch (so it would have a pulley effect). Worked a treat! Thank you!
This knot is improved by sliding it a ways down the wire/pipe/etc. and following it with a series of lark's head knots. If you're pulling this wire through a conduit, or PEX pipe through a series of stud holes where the end could snag, simply wrap the end section with electrical (for wires) or duct (for everything else) tape, and ensure it forms a smooth transition from the object to the rope. The reason for this is for that cinching knot to form a lightly loaded backstop, where it will never be challenged, while the series of lark's head knots spreads the load to the object in a way that keeps strong control of it, but without causing point loads. This prevents damage, while also guiding the object better than just grabbing its neck, where it will now have a massive mechanical advantage on that stub that sticks past the knot. That stub will therefore have some multiple of your own strength working with any snag to maximize irritation. The industrial big wire pulling grip looks more like a "chinese finger cuffs" weave of metal wire that surrounds a length of the end of the wire. This also gets tighter as you pull, but I do believe the far end of that is taped down to the wire to at least comfort the electrician.
Can't picture what you mean when you said to follow it with a series of larks head knots. Guess I'll get out some cordage and try to figure it out.
Kellum grip ,works well and doesn't make a bulge on the wire.
@@chronicon5616 Imagine a fishing pole. The pole is your pull-rope, once it's under tension, and the eyelets guide your limp fishing line. By using lark's heads every few inches or feet (depending on the material you're moving), you're picking the thing up farther down in its mass, so the tension load on it is lower, which is good.
The cost of that is you will be trying to lift something like a fishing line, but the top flops over. So, you put a series of lark's heads from your main support knot to the end part. Now, your rope is doing the tension, and the top of the object is simply along for the ride. Now, there is a bonus in that the lark's heads should add some clamping force individually, so that takes a lot of the load off of the main knot, and the material being lifted. Note that this video indicated that grip is a factor of how many loops he put into his demonstrated knot. Another example would be lifting several 2x4's of wood with a rope, but there's wind or a narrow passageway that they're being lifted in. Using the knot in the video, if you grip the wood by the end, it will likely slip, or crush the wood grain, or want to go horizontal and spin just to spite you, or even expand out, like an asterisk " * " just before going full calamity. You can put a heavy squeeze knot like the video down near the middle, or the bottom end if you have several pieces of wood, and then put a series of lark's head knots up to the top of the bundle, so that the bundle of wood is being pressed together along its entire length, rather than crushed in one small spot, with lower total grip power.
We have situations where we're not allowed to use tape or anything that could possibly leave residue behind.
This is the interest in different knots.
@@paulstaney325 And oftentimes kellum is the choice but pulling many diffwrent dia wires needs grip sizes that they don't make or at least I don't always have.
A new favorite ( lengthwise pull). I like the way the knot stays together under pull and is so easily untied.
Just wanted to say your videos have have made my life way easier ! I Wish i woulda got into knots and hitches sooner!
i never comment on youtube videos so just know that this means a LOT. I used your knot for pulling my pool light cables. thx brotha
That’s a slight variation of the icicle hitch.
My thoughts too
@@lorus511 I don’t know about this one. The icicle hitch even holds on tapered objects
I think i would prefer an icicle hitch in the described scenario. I don't know how well that tuck under will hold with inconsistent load (pull, rest, pull, rest)
There is a fundamental difference: with the icicle, under load, the last couple of wraps spread away from the hitch and create a very tight constriction point in one concentrated point. With electrical cables, this could damage the underlying cable. Instead, this "wire pulling" hitch pulls from the top of the wraps, and the constriction is spread across all the wraps - it creates the same amount of friction, but srpead across more of the surface area and much gentler on the underlying cable. This hitch is a variation on something I have seen referred to as "The Stopper Knot" (I know, it's a very confusing name). But if you search for that, you'll find actual on-site workers using this type of hitch to pull large bunches of electrical or optical cables..
Thanks for mentioning, now I know that one too! Could have used either a while ago...
Priceless data.
Cant thank you tube enough for suggesting this video.
Remarkably useful
This is an outstanding knot! Thank you for this valued information!
Very similar/variation of the pipe/post hitch; although that typically finishes with a lark's head/cow hitch-
Great video, thanks!
This really compliments the 'Icicle hitch' knot 👍👍. Love this, appreciate your wok 😀
Just opened up yt looking for a knot for doing exactly this! Thank you 🙏
Fantastic video.
Always looking for a way to pull logs out of the forest.
This will work quite nicely.
Gracias, mi amigo!
this was very informative, thank you for doing the knot tests
i try and learn every knot you show. you know some really unique knots!
That Bobby's into log pullin.. GREAT KNOT!!! Used it many times on broken guitar strings with dental floss so I could get some wraps around the tuning tree . 🤘🎸🤘
Always a new knot to learn with you man.
I’m pulling wire next week and I’m gonna try this. Thanks
Keep it man, always worth a watch.
Icicle hitch is similar, great demo.
I did see it mentioned that it would hold on a taper like a marlinspike. Always wanted to try it with cotton rope.
Also that it can be used to pull a small tree, will grip a slippery small tree when the bark is removed by pulling up with a block.
I used to use something similar while sailing when the sheet winch was bound up and you needed to free up the winch by taking the tension off.
all the best
I successfully used a rolling hitch for freeing up a winch rope - but that’s because, under stress (mine that is), I couldn’t remember the icicle hitch!
Thank you. I can now use that on my tent poles.
this is a modified klemheist knot. primarily used in climbing.
Aha! everyone is saying icicle hitch, but I was reminded of knots like that...I just never learned them so I wasn't quite sure.
The hitch at 3:35 is a Klemheist. You gotta post a timestamp because there are multiple hitches here.
I've used a rolling hitch to relieve tension on an overridden jib sheet and that seems to work fine.
Well done, sir! Your channel is outstanding!
Since no one's said it: the "pipe hitch" is the "arborists's knot" shown later in the video. That's also the first thing I thought of when I saw this one. I'm glad to hear it's seeing use, since it's been wonderful the few times I've used it.
The fact that someone else called it a "post hitch" is very interesting to me, since it makes me realize that that's probably what Geoffrey Budworth meant when he labeled its simpler cousins, "pile hitch", and, "double pile hitch", not just a foundation pile or a dock pile that's also a bollard for tying boats to, which is what I assumed he meant based on the word and the context in the book. It seems like the post hitch would be a great tool for pulling fence posts, probably paired with a half hitch, or as someone else suggested, a lark's head...so I'm sure someone's done it, especially at a dockside where the simpler ones were already in use.
The thing I'm most reminded of looking at it is probably some of the "prussiking" knots, but I'm sure the icicle hitch would've come to mind if I'd ever put the work in to learn it. I'll have to look, since those knots are also ones I never bothered committing to memory.
We used that knot finished with a clove hitch! After we removed the basket if we needed more. We also tied the same knot with chain on occasion for long 15kV runs and line truck for pulling out. I believe you will find it in the Ashley book of knots (1761). I knew a lineman who called a very similar knot the grapevine. After I retired, a buddy of mine told me he always used a prussic. I could immediately see the value there! BTW one can hang a block or come-along on a pole with a prussic or klemheist. Even the klemheist can be found in the Ashley book of knots ((1762)though, not called that).
I feel like it’s a combination of a Timber hitch & a prusik working together. 👍🏻🇨🇦
As an electrician, we just used half hitches in a row
Agreed. The tighter you pull, the tighter it gets. Then to undo it, al you have to do is push it from the other side. (after removing the tape, of course)
Same here. Pull sock for big wire when we use the tugger. Half hitches for smaller stuff when we pull by hand.
The lineman's hitch that he uses here is used for high voltage cable where the half hitches can very easily damage the dielectric. As tension is put on the line, it constricts Evenly over the length of the knot.
I do like my half hitches as well. I rarely have the luxury of pulling baskets. I actually like and trust my own wire heads more.
The old timers that taught me made their own mares tails, rope or wire.
I would love to see this demonstrated with an electricians polypropylene twine like Ideal Industries, Inc. 31-340 Powr-Fish Pull-Line, or similar. When I pulled cable we used something like this, but the knot work was only a series of 3 half hitchs spaced apart by 1-2 inches, then secured with an obscene amount of electrical tape.
Love to see this compared against the icicle hitch. I’m sure this is faster to tie (especially with cold, icy conditions 30ft up on an electrical pole), but the icicle hitch is supposed to have the best holding power in town, even on slightly tapered objects.
Let them fight!
Amazing as always. Keep it up.
Very useful knot, thanks
“First class amateur” 😂 that’ll be my response when someone asks me how the new whatever I’m doing is going.
Nice pulling knot!!
Useful video n knowledge... appreciate it
Magic knot for pulling some round thing!!! Thanks! Maybe you can recommend it's modification for hexagonal rod (like pensil) because it looks like current version of knot doesn't work for it properly?
Awesome knot! Awesome channel 👏 👍
These are great if you have the room and the one side pull point is to be considered also.
I remove the outside strands and or the next layer, in a staggered manner, using only the core strands to go through the eye of a pulling rope and folded flat with zip ties to stabilize or use heat shrink cut into small lengths that are pushed up to cover the strands (butt to butt).
Couple raps of high strength tape. Finish filling the difference in the diameter with pulling compound soaked rags.
Be prepared to give distances which only matter mostly at the last of the pull
I do like the way a friction leveraged wide area gripper aka name your knot.
Sooo the second one is a Klemheist and the first one is a modified Klemheist. Super useful knots!
Thanks a whole bunch ❤
I am sure you are knot crazy!
Thank you
Amazing, thanks for sharing
We use 3 half hitches spaced about 4 inches apart wrapped with stretched electric tape to pull networking cables. This gives more than enough friction to keep the string from slipping off the cables and will rip the outer sheathing off before anything else breaks.
This type of knot is called a klemheist in climbing. In climbing you use a sling, so you don't have to secure the end.
The arborist knot you referenced; I believe it's the Klemheist knot
This is very similar to a gripping sailors hitch, but the latter may be superior as it does not collapse on rope like this one does.
I think it is closer to a klemheist (which he showed off towards the end). They tie the ends together rather than tucking the rope in. Tying it together is obviously safer than just tucking it in if you depend on it to not fall from a tree.
I pull wire for a living and my favorite pulling knot is vinyl tape and a single fold back
I'll use that, Thanks!
The knot at 3:50 is the Kleimheist Hitch. It's my favorite for hammock camping instead of the Prussick
Awesome thanks!
Thats cool. Its kind of like a Prusik knot.
I am new into the world of knots so I recently discover your channel and its great!
Could you make a video about different types of sinthetic ropes?
Greatings from Spain 😁
It's a modified klemheist, and unless you keep continual tension on the line, it will release. Tied properly, on a doulbled line, tension can be released and applied with minimal slip.
I'm going to try this for joining two ropes. My dog has a habit of chewing through the ropes on his toys and while i can tie a new one, I'd like to be able to fix the existing ones! Not sure what size rope to use for the knot, might need to experiment. And maybe it won't work with something compressible like rope, but i dont need tie breaker level strength!
Is it a klemheist knot?
Curious as to what would happen if instead of wrapping it around the back once before putting it under, you wrapped it twice, or fed it under after one backward wrap, then fed it round again and fed it under a second time...
This looks like a variant of a Blake's Hitch. In a Blake's hitch the end is tucked under the first two loops instead of beside them.
Stopper knots are awesome
The same knot used by my family several generations.
Hey, what knot/combination of knots would you use to tie off a sleeping bag or bag of clothes to the handle bar of a bicylce (for bikepacking)?
2:25 this is where Fairmond's Friction hitch would work really well. It behaves a lot like a prusik but for Rope I prefer some form of bend. Reaver's, zeppelin or sheet jut to name a few. Any number of climber's friction hitches serve here too.
3:30 I believe that is the Klemheist.
Hello my friend!! Which is the best knots to uses in a small pick-up that doesn't has the open hook to fix the rope?? Thanks
I just double up the end and do a clove hitch and then half hitches with both ends. And putting some tape on the ends so it won't snag on some corners and fall of if you have to pull it back for some reason
ima try tomorrow on some SES/R and some 4 AWG
Does this have any advantages over a rolling hitch? It seems like on rope it would actually be disadvantaged vs the rolling hitch
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double figure 8 hitch might help .. like a constrictor knot but with a total of 4 turns.. very high holding...
as electricians we pull more than 1 wire at a time. often thhn wire, with a nylon sheath that comes pre-lubricated, with a pull line that's lubricated. but yes, this Icicle hitch relative is a great knot.
I'm using it to lift a 2in diameter cable about 20 ft to a wire tray at work. Everything else i tried just slipped off but this knot worked amazingly
The icicle hitch is more of a clove hitch with the bitter end and working end looped through!
This knot is a Klemheist and modified Klemheist.
I think the vice flying off the back of the car was enough to convince me it was a good'un 😅
Nice this is good
This looks similar to an icicle hitch. Curious which would perform better.
how does this compare to the rolling hitch?
Can you think of a quick release knot but this time made in wide webbing? For making/attaching a nordic walking style hand strap to a pole. (these are slightly different from a regular hiking pole, more pressure on the strap)
I'll bet a constrictor knot or a rolling hitch / constrictor knot combo would work (with drawloop of course). I'll have to find some webbing and give it a try. How wide is the webbing usually? I'm thinking 25mm (one inch), but "wide" tells me it might be more like 40mm (an inch and a half is 37mm), or something like that, which would probably be a lot more challenging to deal with.
@@mysss29 40 mm on the bottom edge of the hand for sure, but it could be sewn onto a much thinner one, even 10 mm because it only has to be wide on the bottom. usually they are not really just webbing but a whole sewn triangular "sling" in the nordic walking stuff, but i'm thinking of making my own pole. normally the quick release part is a plastic mechanical construction (have store bought already but i'm curious how to make it with simple hardware)
I’ll stick to simply Looping the wire and electrical tape. All this fancy stuff won’t stop it from getting caught up on the pull. 😂
When I pulled feeder wires we just made a sock out of tie wire. It fit thru the raceway far better than thi k rope.
We called 'em mare's tails. You can split the 3 strands of a rope into 6 strands and make one with a rope. And they're surprisingly strong. The lineman's hitch that he shows will keep from damaging the dielectric on high voltage cables.
Damn you! Literally ONE DAY after assuring my wife I was done buying tools and you go flashing that spike. I mean, I bought one (obviously; I know quality when I see it, and I'm not stupid) but in this case S&H (shipping and handling) has a C&N (complaining and nagging) fee, too. I hope you're happy.
Nice knot, too. I'll be using this with regularity.
We’ve all been there! Thanks for your support.
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(1:16) Would it make it less sturdy if instead of going under both ropes to secure the end, you only went under the first one and then stick it between the two? Hope that made since.
I have used a knot called a Timberline Hitch for pulling wire.
Two major ways to make a nose are 1. A few half hitches with a clove hitch to keep it down the wire, plus tape. 2. Skin the wire at the end, destrand if necessary, and fold the skinned wite through an eye splice or boland (sp?). Remember the nose has to fit through the pipe and go around bends.
If you pulled it with a machine (ie tugger or whatever you call it) and you need more wire out but the machine isn't far enough away to get enough wire then the best thing I found is a horse tail that you wrap back and forth making something like a basket. The horse tail done correctly will even grab wire soaked in lube. If it's a hard pull the prusic hitch will damage the insulation and so will the various other hitches people try. Oh and that clear coating is nylon hence thhn. Maybe i missed the point of the video??
Nice
That is a good knot … I need to know how to add a loop. So I can clip a safety harness to.
I climb up flag poles with a ladder and I want to tie off to something. On a flag pole nothing to tie off to.
If I fall off the Ladder my 280 pound body should be safe and not slide down to pole
I kept accidentally tying this knot when I was trying to learn to tie a Klemheist knot. I wanted to be able to do it without a loop & just using 1 end of a rope.
What thickness is the paracord you are using?
What type of knot could I tie in paracord that would be good for making a cord that holds my reading glasses on my neck? So often one sees these devices use some type of rubber tubing to hold the cordage onto to glasses stem.
Someone else probably has a better idea.
I would like a really thin cord with 5 or more half hitches. Easy knot as well!Problem is that they want to spiral around . But I do like the look of several pulled tightly together.
The knot at 3:35 is a Klemheist. The others are not.
When your ropes broke on the metal bar tow, I think I saw the rope rub against the edge of the bar. It could have been some cutting swarf/ slivers, and caused the rope to break early. Still don't doubt the strength of your rigid pull knot.
It may collapse on a rope with a free end but this could be used to attach a cord to a taut ridgeline.
This might be called the icicle hitch, a response from others that know more than I
Half hitch is what I’ve used to pull for 20 years
We use half hitch. When we pull wire
Great knot, but every electrician knows that you strip off the outer insulation a few inches, and cut a few strands of wire off the outside. Then you can easily bend any size of wire over a closed loop (either steel fish tape or pull rope). Inside a conduit (where most wires are pulled) friction is your enemy, so you want a smooth transition from wire to rope. All those wraps would easily get stuck.
Ive primarly used this for demoing out old wire when half hitches just arent getting the job done. Another good spot for it is towards the end of a pull you've been using a tugger on and the wire has started sticking out. Wrap this around the set of wires and you can get the extra feet out after the head is out of the conduit.
Kinda like the icicle hitch.
How would this stand up to a constrictor knot? Would it be stronger?
Good point. I thought of a constrictorknot, too.
Unless you slip it, constrictor hitches can be a bitch to release after loading.
@@zecuse That's why it's a constrictor hitch, you use it when you don't want it to come undone. I wasn't proposing it for this scenario, just comparing the hitches.
They're very different since the constrictor is more of a binding and it isn't the best for a pull along the object it's tied to like this knot. They really do different things. The advantage of this one is that it puts less constricting force on the wire with any one wrap, and compensates by using many wraps to get as much strength as you want, which is of course more than a constrictor knot could.
I'm not sure I really understand how you'd want them to be compared. Maybe you mean the % of the rope's breaking strength they preserve? In that case I'd expect the constrictor knot to win because it doesn't have those two 180 degree bends right where all the force is. But use-case wise, I'm not sure when you'd really find anything they'd both be good choices for.
Exactly. That's why the bowline preserves so much of the ropes strength.
I really enjoy your videos, great teaching. But it drives me nuts that you don't melt the ends of your lines. Is there a reason why?
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What’s that called ? Is it an inline prusik ?
This is not a Prusik.
Dude! Put some safety straps on those pieces. You know they’re going to shoot apart, stop them from destroying your gear, or yourselves with some constraints.
Serious safety yikes